1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: This is Tony Pike Sincey three sixty about Cincinnati from Cincinnati, 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: sponsored in part by Skyline Chili. Stop by Skyline Chili 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: for a three way or cheeze Tony today. Feeling good, 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: It's Skyline time. This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. 5 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 2: Hi, Hello and welcome in two Tony Pike's Cincy three 6 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 2: sixty here on ESPN fifteen thirty. My name is Austin Elmore. 7 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 2: I am not Tony Pike. Once again, Tony Pike not 8 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 2: here for the show that bears his name. Tony will 9 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 2: be on seven hundred WLW tonight from six to nine 10 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: for sports talk. He's in for Lance McAllister. So the 11 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 2: schedule for right now, if you want sports talk in 12 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 2: this city, it's me twelve to three right here on 13 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty, followed by Moe Egger from three to six. 14 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: I believe Moe is back at Oakley Greens again today 15 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: from three to six, and then you can flip down 16 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 2: the dial to seven hundred WLW at six o'clock to 17 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: hear Tony and see what he has to say. A 18 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 2: loaded show for you today. Our typical Tuesday guest will 19 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 2: be Joe Danoman at one pm, and we'll talk a 20 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 2: lot of things with him, most notably, of course, the 21 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 2: Bengals big win over the Baltimore Ravens on Thanksgiving and 22 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 2: now moving forward into the Buffalo game. But there's a 23 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 2: myriad of topics to talk to Joe Danniman about. We'll 24 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: also talk to Joe Goodberry multiple Joe's on the show 25 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 2: today and I want to get his perspective. Who's a 26 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 2: great analyst. He's got the YouTube show Bengals on the Brain. 27 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 2: If you're a Bengals fan, chances are you follow Joe 28 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: Goodberry on social media and you've seen his content. I 29 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 2: want to know from his perspective, why has the Bengals 30 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: defense gotten better and is it sustainable going up against 31 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: Baltimore again Buffalo this weekend and the stretch run of 32 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: the season with the Bengals playoff hopes right there in 33 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: the cross there. So we'll talk to Joe about that. 34 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: We'll talk to Mo at the end of the show 35 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 2: for quick hits as well. Talkbacks will happen at their 36 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: normal time, and we'll get some audio for you from 37 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: last night because there were a couple of basketball games 38 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: in the city of Cincinnati last night. Let's start with 39 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 2: everything that happened last night. Cincinnati the Bearcats victorious seventy 40 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 2: eight to fifty six over Tarleton State. The Bearcats were 41 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: up by just two at halftime, and I was thinking, 42 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: Oh Lord, here we go again. This is not going 43 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: to be good. I think Bob I had like eight 44 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 2: turnovers or something like that in the first half. It 45 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: was ugly, but the Bearcats ran away with it in 46 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 2: the second half. In their final tune up ahead of 47 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 2: the Skyline Chili Crosstown shootout with Xavier, and so you 48 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 2: see wins by the way, spotted at the game former 49 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 2: UC guard Jisel James. Don't know if that means anything, 50 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: but Gisel James was there. He was one of about 51 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 2: fifty two people that I think were at the game 52 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 2: last night. The crowd shots that I saw from fifth 53 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 2: third Arena not great, not great, which maybe indicative of 54 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 2: the standing that this program is at with its fan base. 55 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 3: Right now. 56 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 2: You'll hear from West Miller and what he had to 57 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 2: say after the victory last night coming up later in 58 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 2: the show. Meanwhile, down the road, Xavier won ninety six 59 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: seventy four over Saint Francis. They did not necessarily play 60 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 2: well in the first half, either did Xavier, but they won. 61 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: You'll hear Richard Patino in what he had to say 62 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: about his team. I think they only had eight turnovers 63 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 2: total in the game against Saint Francis. So the final 64 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: tune ups for both Cincinnati and Xavier are in the books. 65 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: And this coming Friday night it'll be you See and 66 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: Xavier in the Skyline Chile Crosstown Shootout. We will continue 67 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: covering that for you coming up this week Monday Night Football. 68 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: Last night it was the New England Patriots over the 69 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: New York Giants thirty three to fifteen. The Patriots have 70 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 2: won ten straight. They are now eleven and two. They 71 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: have a bye week coming up, and as they enter it, 72 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: are the number one seed in the AFC and Drake 73 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: May right there with Matthew Stafford as the odds on 74 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 2: favorites to win the NFL MVP Award. It is unfathomable 75 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: that the Patriots go from Belichick and Brady to a 76 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 2: couple of lean years to Vrabel and May, and they 77 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: seem to be in a very good position moving forward. 78 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 2: They hit on their draft picks, they hit on their 79 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: free agents. They still have plenty of money. They've got 80 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: a rookie quarterback on a rookie contract. The Patriots, I 81 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 2: think have some staying power. They're not a perfect team 82 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: by any stretch of the imagination, but they have some 83 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 2: staying power in the AFC. That was a fun game 84 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 2: to watch last night, not necessarily because of the score, 85 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 2: but because it felt like an old time football game, 86 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 2: like there was some real hitting going on in that game. 87 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 2: There was a returner for the Giants that was hit 88 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 2: so hard the paint came off his helmet. It was ridiculous. 89 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 2: Baseball news the New York Mets and closer Devin Williams 90 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: remember him, former Milwaukee brewer, former New York Yankee. They've 91 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 2: agreed to a three year, fifty one million dollar contract. 92 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 2: If you remember, at GM meetings a week or two ago, 93 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, the Reds were one of 94 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: the teams that were in on Devin Williams. Well, he 95 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 2: gets three years fifty one million from the Mets. And 96 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: so the guy that the Yankees changed their facial hair 97 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 2: policy for, Devin Williams is gone a year later and 98 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 2: joining the New York Mets. By the way, speaking of 99 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: the Reds, no reds Caravan this year. That was announced 100 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: yesterday that due to the timing of Reds Fest, which 101 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: was moved back into January to coincide with the new 102 00:05:55,560 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: opening or the reopening of the Convention Center in downtown Cincinnati, 103 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: there will be no Red's Caravan this year, So Reds 104 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: Fest still scheduled for January. Some college football news, by you, 105 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: head coach Kilani Sataki is the top candidate for the 106 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 2: Penn State head coaching job, and apparently there is a 107 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: big back and forth going on right now between Penn 108 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 2: State and BYU for the services of one Kilani Sataki. 109 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, BYU getting set for Texas 110 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 2: Tech in the Big twelve championship game coming up this weekend. 111 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 2: Speaking of Texas Tech, you're gonna hear later on from 112 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 2: their head coach Joey McGuire. I'm gonna get into this 113 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 2: topic here in just a moment, but with the whole 114 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 2: Lane Kiffen nonsense and the college football calendar and where 115 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 2: we're really at, Joey McGuire, the head coach at Texas 116 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: gave a reasonable take about a sensible solution to the 117 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 2: college football calendar. I want you to hear that you'll 118 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 2: hear that coming up in just a little bit. By 119 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 2: the way, overnight as well, Kentucky found their head football 120 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 2: coach that didn't last long. They are hiring Oregon offensive 121 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 2: coordinator will Stein. Will Stein will be the new head 122 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 2: coach of Kentucky. You may have heard there were reports 123 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: that Ohio State offensive coordinator Brian Hartline was going to 124 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 2: interview for that job. Today. Well looks like he's not 125 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 2: even going to get a chance to interview, as they've 126 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: settled on will Stein. By the way, Mohler quarterback Ohio 127 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 2: mister football Matt Ponatowski, who's committed to Kentucky, he seems 128 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: to be all systems go with will Stein posted a 129 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: picture with Stein when he was at a visit at 130 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: Oregon and said, yeah, I can rock with this. So 131 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 2: it seems like Matt Ponatowski, who I believe is playing 132 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: football and baseball at the University of Kentucky, is going 133 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: to stay put at UK. He does plan to sign, 134 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 2: I believe in January, because a lot of people are 135 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: wondering are you gonna sign? Are you going to sign? 136 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 2: Because tomorrow is the early National signing Day, which is 137 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: kind of hard to believe college football playoff rankings coming 138 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: up tonight the latest as we head into conference championship weekend, 139 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 2: and that's kind of what I want to start the 140 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: show with a topic about about college football. And I'm 141 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: going to open the phone lines at five point three, seven, four, nine, 142 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. They'll be open all day if you want 143 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 2: to be a part of the show. But just over 144 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: the last week or two, or really the last couple 145 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 2: of weeks, I've just kind of been following the Lane 146 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 2: Kiffen thing from the sidelines. I've not been diving too 147 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 2: deep into it. I've not been focusing, you know, on 148 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 2: every little thing that's happened. But over the course of 149 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 2: the last week in this thing finally coming uh to 150 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 2: an end with Lane Kiffin going to LSU and leaving 151 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 2: Ole Miss and the details coming out and reading the 152 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: articles and all this other stuff. I've always said that 153 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 2: eventually college football will get to the NFL model, which 154 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 2: means they'll be a commissioner, there'll be a conference, they'll 155 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 2: have playoffs on each side of the conferences, and it 156 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 2: will look basically like the NFL and be a minor 157 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 2: league for the NFL. And my opinion on that has 158 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: kind of changed over the last couple of years because 159 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 2: there is no one who can really take control of 160 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 2: college football. All of college football is a power struggle, 161 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 2: and to an extent, all of college athletics are a 162 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 2: power struggle. But college football specifically is its own beast, 163 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 2: and it feels like an untamable beast. It feels like 164 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 2: there's no possible way for there to be a governing 165 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 2: body that actually can control TV networks, head coaches, conference commissioners. 166 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 2: None of it seems viable to me. There is nothing, 167 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: almost nothing about college football that makes sense in my mind. 168 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 2: I don't like the rule book. I don't like the calendar. 169 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 2: I don't like the timing of the portal. I don't 170 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 2: like the way coaches moves. I don't like scheduling. I 171 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 2: don't like conference realignment. Like to me, it is this 172 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: absolute chaotic mess that I don't see any solutions too, 173 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: and yet it is as popular as it's ever been. 174 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 2: Ratings are through the roof. We always joke about how 175 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 2: it just means more to the Southeastern Conference down in 176 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 2: the SEC. Well, that's true. That is their life. They 177 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 2: live and die by college football in the South. I 178 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 2: can speak from experience being an Ohio State fan that 179 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 2: I know people who live and die by Ohio State football. 180 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: It means everything to them. There is this level of 181 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 2: pride and this die hard feeling about certain schools and 182 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 2: certain college football conferences that you just don't quite get 183 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 2: in the NFL. There are rabid fan bases in the NFL, 184 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 2: for sure, but there is not that almost maniacal fan 185 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 2: base or part of the country when it comes to 186 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 2: NFL football. And you know, the league in and of 187 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 2: itself and the commissioner and the parameters and the way 188 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 2: that it's been built. It is a very buttoned up, 189 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 2: structured league that has set rules. And I think the 190 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 2: biggest issue in the National Football League right now is 191 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 2: I think two things. Number One, I think they're trying 192 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: too hard to be an international sport. I don't think 193 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 2: that's necessary. And number two, officiating is a complete mess. 194 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: And I think Roger Goodell views officiating as more of 195 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 2: a pr problem more than a competition and a football problem. 196 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: But that's another topic for another day. Those are the 197 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: two biggest issues with the NFL right now. Other than 198 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: that the way it's run, the rules, the owners, all 199 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 2: of it. For the most part, makes a lot of sense. 200 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 2: You got to vote on rule changes to get certain 201 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 2: stuff approved. Stuff gets denied. There's calendars, there's tampering, there's 202 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 2: you know, discipline that happens. There's somebody that is governing 203 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 2: the league. You don't have that in college football. Nobody 204 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 2: does it. The only time we hear about the NCAA 205 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 2: is when they are investigating someone and maybe they'll take 206 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 2: away some wins, or they'll take away some scholarships or 207 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: something like that. They don't really do anything. There is 208 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 2: a major issue with the structure of college football. And 209 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 2: while I don't look at the Lane Kiffin situation and 210 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 2: view Lane Kiffen as a victim, I do understand and 211 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 2: acknowledge that he is in a way a victim of 212 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 2: the calendar itself because there's no rules against LSU for 213 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 2: pursuing him as hard as they are, and there's really 214 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 2: no rules for jumping and leaving your job no matter what. 215 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 2: And because of this long drawn out playoff, and because 216 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: of different schedules and different TV partners in different months 217 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 2: of the year that certain teams play this and it's 218 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 2: just a complete chaotic mess and there's nothing to really 219 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 2: go by. But I think that's what people love about 220 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 2: college football. I think that's what the TV networks love 221 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 2: about college football. If the product is what it is, 222 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 2: which I don't think it's a better product from a 223 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: football standpoint than the NFL, but it is a good product. 224 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 2: It is an entertaining product. It is filled with drama 225 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 2: at seemingly every turn for a good chunk of the country, 226 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 2: not all of it, but for a good chunk of 227 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 2: the country. And it is filled with this drama and 228 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 2: these coaching decisions and these firings and tracking planes and 229 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 2: snapchat accounts and burner accounts and all these different things 230 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 2: that you're going through as a fan of a college 231 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 2: football program. Is the chaos, not what fans like. Is 232 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 2: the TV partner that is in bed with college football 233 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 2: really thinking, ah, we got to change this calendar, or 234 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 2: are they thinking, man, Lane Kiffin. That's great for our numbers, 235 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 2: that's gonna be great for the college football playoff, that's 236 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 2: gonna be great for our television deal. That's gonna be 237 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 2: great for our social media. That's gonna be great for 238 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 2: our advertisers. It means more money. So because of that, 239 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: when there's really nobody who's in charge other than quite frankly, 240 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: the TV networks themselves, they pay the bills, they kind 241 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 2: of get to decide what happens in each conference. And 242 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 2: because you've got these egotistical, power hungry conference commissioners and 243 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 2: the Big Ten and the SEC and across the country, 244 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 2: no one's willing to relent. No one's going to give 245 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 2: up power. No one's going to look out for other conferences. 246 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 2: They're only going to look out for themselves. And so 247 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: this repeated behavior over and over and over again over 248 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 2: the last several years, as college football has continued to 249 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 2: explode nationally, has only led to that growth. And for 250 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: a long time, the product with the NFL was if 251 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 2: it's if it's not broke, don't fix it. And that's 252 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 2: kind of where the NFL is at right now, which 253 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 2: I think is kind of the issue with going to international. 254 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 2: But for the last twenty years, really since the last 255 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 2: thirty years, it's been sensational the growth of the NFL, 256 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: the popularity of the NFL, the explosion of the NFL, 257 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 2: and it's across TVs and social media and everywhere imaginable. 258 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 2: In the United States, college football is experiencing that same growth, 259 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 2: but they're doing it in an entirely different, unstructured, maniacal, chaotic, 260 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 2: messy way. So if you're them, if you're the people 261 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 2: that are benefiting from this, if you're the TV networks, 262 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 2: if you're the conferences, why would you change what you're doing? 263 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 2: And by conferences, I really mean the biggest conferences, the 264 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 2: Big Ten and the SEC. Why would you change what 265 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 2: you're doing? Why would you want there to be a 266 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 2: change to the calendar? Because the SEC doesn't care about 267 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 2: a level playing field, the Big Ten doesn't care about 268 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: a level playing field. The unfortunate reality is people like 269 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 2: UC fans and schools like Big twelve schools and ACC schools, 270 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: they're the ones who get caught in the crossfire here 271 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: and don't benefit because all the rules are basically centered 272 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: around what those two conferences do. And I see that 273 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 2: as unhealthy for college football. But if everybody's getting paid, 274 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 2: and if everybody's getting their money college colleges, players, coaches, everybody, 275 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 2: is anything actually going to change? And if your popularity 276 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 2: and your growth has been exponentially expanded based upon this chaotic, 277 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 2: messy mess that we're all in with no governing body 278 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 2: and people only looking out for themselves, is there ever 279 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 2: actually going to be changed because it's not about student athletes. 280 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 2: It's never been about student athletes. Don't let anyone tell 281 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 2: you that lie. It's about dollars and cents. It makes 282 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 2: no sense for a student athlete to go on the 283 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 2: current college football schedule. The transfer portal makes no sense, 284 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 2: The early signing days make no sense. Coaches leaving without 285 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 2: any sort of discipline or ramifications makes no sense. None 286 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 2: of that is good for the actual football. None of 287 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 2: that is good for the actual game. But it's good 288 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 2: for the clicks, and it's good for the advertising dollars, 289 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 2: and it's good for the eyeballs, and it's good for 290 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 2: the conversations and the discourse. And it just makes me wonder, 291 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 2: is that potential, like NFL model that has been floated 292 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 2: out for the last five or six years, is the 293 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 2: direction that college football is going. Is that actually possible? 294 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 2: Is that actually going to happen? I can't see a 295 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 2: world that it does. There's too much ego and too 296 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 2: much money. And while the Lane Kiffen thing is the 297 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 2: greatest example of the dysfunction within college football, I think 298 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 2: it's also the greatest example as to why people can't 299 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 2: get enough of it. Especially in the South, they sink 300 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 2: their teeth into this everywhere you look. The absurdity of 301 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin, whether it's Nick saban and Kirk kerb Street 302 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 2: carrying his water and oh, by the way, the fact 303 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 2: that that's even a headline goes into my point that 304 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: this is all this big connected mess that saban In, 305 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 2: herb Street and Kiffen all have the same agent. That 306 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 2: means they're all connected in some way, shape or form, 307 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: and they're connected by the television network in which those 308 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 2: games are broadcasted on the mess the chaos of college football. 309 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 2: Is it ever actually going to change? And do we 310 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 2: want it to? Do we accept it for what it is, 311 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 2: this broken, messed up, illogical, chaotic sport that just provides 312 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 2: headline after headline after headline and you know, ah, it's 313 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 2: just college football. Or do we care about the people 314 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 2: that are involved in it, the game itself actually being 315 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 2: played on the field, the developmental aspect for it going 316 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 2: to the pros? Or do we just care about the 317 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 2: entertainment value and all the drama that comes with it. 318 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 2: I think there are people that would be legitimately split 319 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 2: on that. I don't know the answer, but it really, 320 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 2: really seems like to me that nothing's going to change 321 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 2: because of the people that are in charge really have 322 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 2: nothing to do with academics or football anymore. So that's 323 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 2: my rant about college football again. You'll hear from Texas 324 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 2: Tech head coach Joey Maguire later his thoughts on how 325 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 2: you could actually fix it if there were people to 326 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 2: actually fix it. Phone lines open five, one, three, seven, four, nine, 327 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 2: fifteen thirty will also talk some Bengals, what Zach Taylor 328 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,959 Speaker 2: had to say about Trey Hendrickson, t Higgins, Joe Burrow, 329 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 2: and Moore Got football in the Natty? Coming up next? 330 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 2: This is Tony Pike's since he three p sixty on 331 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty. Hey Alexa, Who's gonna win it? 332 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: Football in the Natty? Brought to you by Postman Law 333 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals. 334 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 2: Welcome back in ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm Austin Elmore. This 335 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 2: is football in the Natty. Not a lot of football 336 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 2: happening at pay Court Stadium yesterday, just a typical light 337 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 2: walk through on a Monday to get everybody back in 338 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 2: the building following a Thursday game. The Bengals are gonna 339 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 2: try to nip that trend in the bud, which is 340 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 2: they're not very good after many buys. You might remember 341 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: earlier this year they lost following the mini bye. On 342 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 2: that Thursday game against the Pittsburgh Steelers, they lost to 343 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 2: the New York Jets, so hoping to end that trend. 344 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 2: On Sunday, there were a couple of injury updates from 345 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 2: head coach Zach Taylor. I'm gonna play some clips from 346 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 2: Zach for you in just a little bit, but the 347 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 2: most notable Trey Hendrickson still doubtful. T Higgins, he was 348 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 2: in uniform for walkthrough, but he's in concussion protocol and 349 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 2: as is TOAJ Brooks. Meanwhile, for the Buffalo Bills, they 350 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 2: just played last week without their all pro left tackle 351 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 2: Dion Dawkins. He also remains in concussion protocol. Linebacker Terrell Bernard, 352 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 2: right tackle Spencer Brown, and wide receiver Joshua Palmer, alongside 353 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 2: tight end Dalton Kincaid are quote all improving end quote. 354 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 2: According to Bill's head coach Sean McDermott said, we'll see 355 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 2: where it leads this week. Joey Bosa aggravated his hamstring 356 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh quote. We'll see where that goes. So not 357 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 2: a lot being said from either head coach Zach Taylor 358 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 2: or Sean McDermott when it comes to the injury report 359 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 2: for those two teams. I'm gonna play in the next 360 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 2: segment the first thirty seconds of Zach Taylor's press conference 361 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 2: from yesterday when he was being asked to about Trey 362 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 2: Hendrickson and the Trey Hendrickson situation to me is very, 363 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 2: very weird and there's got to be something that we 364 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 2: don't know about Trey. You know what, Let's actually let's 365 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 2: play it now. I am fascinated by this exchange between 366 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 2: the reporters and Zach Taylor. Again. This is the first 367 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 2: thirty eight seconds of Zach Taylor talking with the media 368 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 2: yesterday at pay Course Stadium. 369 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: He's great, He's still in protocol, so him and Tage 370 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: we'll keep working through that probably in the week, so 371 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: we'll see. 372 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 2: Where it is up Trey in the next This week 373 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 2: is backful? This week? Yeah? 374 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 4: Is this? 375 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 2: I think this will be a Tree's fourth game? Is 376 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 2: there any consideration to put them a high arch? 377 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 4: Now? 378 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 2: We'll just keep taking a week tweek. He's still doing 379 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 2: all the normal meetings and behind the scenes that mostly rehabs. 380 00:23:55,800 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 2: So with the trainers, you just by getting them back 381 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 2: at all of this season. Yeah, we'll just keep taking 382 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 2: a week tweek. So there's a pause there at the end, 383 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 2: and this is where everybody is typing out and tweeting 384 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 2: and posting that Zach says Trey is doubtful. You go 385 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 2: back to that first question. He cut the guy off 386 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 2: before he could even finish asking the question. He's doubtful. 387 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 2: Cut him off to the point where I think it 388 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 2: was Kelsey had to follow up and said, you said doubtful, right, Yes, 389 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: is he going through all the typical stuff, mostly behind 390 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 2: the scenes stuff with trainers. Huh? And then Zach has 391 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 2: this look on his face while he waits for everybody 392 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 2: to send their post, basically of this smirk of like, 393 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 2: here we go, yeah, tired of this? Isn't this weird? 394 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 2: Am I crazy for thinking this is weird? Thirty seven 395 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 2: days now, I think since the Jets game, he hasn't played. 396 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 2: He has been ruled out almost immediately at the beginning 397 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 2: of every week. He has not spoken to the media 398 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 2: since the trade deadline. He has not traveled with the 399 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 2: team anywhere he apparently, according to Zach here is not 400 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 2: involved in team meetings or practices in any way, shape 401 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 2: or form and is just doing mostly rehab stuff with 402 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 2: the trainers. What are we missing about Trey Henderson? And oh, 403 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 2: by the way, in his absence over the last three games, 404 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 2: Miles Murphy and Joseph Osai have flourished. Could those two 405 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 2: things be related? Could those two things be connected? I 406 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 2: don't know, but you have a guy that you fought 407 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 2: with all off season and a guy who led the 408 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 2: National Football League in sacks last year, and a dude 409 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 2: who pounded the table to come back to Cincinnati and 410 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 2: made a big circus and show out of himself during 411 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 2: OTAs and tried to air out Zach Taylor and talked 412 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 2: about how much he loves Cincinna, threw a fit and 413 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 2: put his little stuff on Instagram. All this nonsense that 414 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 2: has been nothing but our sports talk during the offseason 415 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 2: following Trey Hendrickson, and now all of a sudden, Mum's 416 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 2: the word. Nobody says anything. If the Bengals thought that 417 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson was going to be out for five or 418 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 2: six games, you know what they would have done. They 419 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 2: would have put him on injured reserve. That's the move. 420 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 2: They did that with Shamar Stewart, they did that with 421 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 2: Joe Burrow. That's what NFL teams do to open up 422 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 2: a roster spot. When a player is down for sure, 423 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 2: four to five, six games, whatever it might be, you 424 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 2: designate him to return. The Bengals have none. That isn't 425 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 2: that weird to you? For an injury that has had 426 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 2: like three or four different names. There's been a hip, 427 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 2: there's been a pelvis, there's been a core injury. There's 428 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 2: been a sports hernia. Number one, which is it? There's 429 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 2: no clarification on that. Number two. Why isn't the guy 430 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 2: on IR if he's this unhealthy, and if this is 431 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 2: a team captain and a guy who has pounded the 432 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 2: table for wanting to be a team captain, why on 433 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 2: God's green earth is he not in the meeting? Why 434 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 2: is he not doing all the stuff he would normally do, 435 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 2: especially if he was even remotely close to being able 436 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 2: to play a game. The question I'm asking is what 437 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 2: are we missing here? I think there's a couple of options. 438 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 2: Number One, I think Trey Henderson could quit on the team, 439 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: which is basically I got my money I need to 440 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 2: heal up. I turned thirty one. I think he turns 441 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 2: thirty one Friday, by the way, Happy birthday, Trey. I'm 442 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 2: gonna heal up and get ready for next season now. 443 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 2: I don't want to be franchised tack here again. So 444 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 2: if I don't play, they'll let me go. Okay, that's possible. 445 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 2: Just kind of pack it up. Season's over. In his mind, 446 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 2: I'm done. Other option is he's legitimately hurt to the 447 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 2: point that he can't walk. We know that's not true. 448 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 2: He was walking around the sidelines last weekend and his 449 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 2: pain just won't go away, and it's a difficult injury 450 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 2: that is, you know, really difficult to come back from. Well, 451 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 2: if that was the case, wouldn't they have put him 452 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: on IR like they did with Shamar Stewart, like they 453 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 2: did with Joe Burrow, like they've done with others. Or 454 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 2: the other option here is the Bengals gave Trey the 455 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 2: same treatment that they gave Logan Wilson and the other veterans, 456 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 2: which is, you're done. We got to figure out what 457 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 2: we have in Miles. We got to figure out at 458 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 2: the time what we have in Shamar. We got to 459 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 2: figure out if we want to reinvest in Joseph Osai, 460 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 2: you don't want to play, We're not gonna play you. 461 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 2: See you later. You've been nothing but a pain in 462 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 2: the ass over the last twelve months, so you know what, 463 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 2: it's no big deal. See you later now. I would 464 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 2: hope that's not the case, right, Like, surely a player 465 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 2: of his talent has not just given up, And surely 466 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 2: the Bengals have not looked around and acted the way 467 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 2: they've acted, and with the playoff path still there, just 468 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 2: wash their hands of Trey. Those two things can't possibly 469 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 2: be true, right, That would be foolish for both him 470 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 2: and for them. But again, it feels like we're struggling 471 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 2: to find the middle ground here. Those two things can't 472 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 2: possibly be true, But there really isn't any other indication 473 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 2: as to what could be going on, And so most 474 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 2: people around the team feel like they've seen the last 475 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 2: of Trey Hendrickson. Bengals fans feel like they've seen the 476 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 2: last of Trey in a Bengals uniform. And I don't 477 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,479 Speaker 2: know if this is Trey's way of, you know, winning 478 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 2: the stare down with ownership, winning the stair down with 479 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,959 Speaker 2: the front office, finally getting his win. I don't know. 480 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 2: I guess that's possible. But for a team that has 481 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 2: stood behind Joe Burrow and talk so much about how 482 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 2: much they like Joe and how the energy changes when 483 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 2: Joe is around, and how much they needed him back 484 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 2: and how much they miss him and how much they 485 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 2: love him, and how much it means to them that 486 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 2: Joe has come back and worked his butt off to 487 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,239 Speaker 2: try to find his way back on the field. You 488 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 2: ever hear teammates talk about Trey Hendrickson. You ever hear 489 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 2: Joseph Osaya say, damn man, we gotta have Trey back. 490 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 2: Hope he's feeling better. Do you ever hear Miles Murphy 491 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 2: say that? Does that come out of the mouth to 492 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 2: Jerry Montgomery? As Al Golden said that at any point? 493 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 2: Zach Taylor said barely anything. I'm just curious. This doesn't 494 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 2: seem to feel like there's that same energy around Trey 495 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 2: Hendrickson as there are for other great players. I just 496 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 2: find that interesting, and there's clearly something we don't know. 497 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 2: Maybe I'm over complicating things, but this just doesn't feel right. 498 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 2: And I don't know where we go from here or 499 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 2: what this looks like. But it's a shame that this 500 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 2: is a conversation that has to be had in the 501 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 2: middle of whether you believe it to be legitimate or not. 502 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 2: It is a playoff race, and what do we have 503 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 2: more Trey hendrickson Drama, Whoaho Your phone Calls? Next ESPN fifteen. 504 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: Thirty, You've been listening to football in on ESPN fifteen thirty, 505 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals. Your front row 506 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: seat to the fiercest debates in sports. Mo Egger Today 507 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: at three pm on ESPN fifteen thirty. 508 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 2: Fris the Bengals. 509 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 5: Like ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, Kenny. 510 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 6: Sent to pick now kirk Resa penetrating into the paint. 511 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 2: How are you tug? Tob By Baba Della del Friesa 512 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 2: turning the corner, recognized two came out to him, throwing 513 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 2: it up for the life of Bottle Miller, for the 514 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 2: Big Time Slam baseline. 515 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 6: He races it across the time line inside the three 516 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 6: point Archie Spenzanies as the ball taken away, tried to 517 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 6: sport a double shots block. 518 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 2: Blah blah blah, what a defensive play ran down the 519 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 2: shooter had knocked that off the backboard. Meanwhile, three on 520 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 2: the way on the right side. No good, those kind 521 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 2: of play, So that mere PanAm dismayed. 522 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 5: There was a breakaway layup he could have very easily conceded, 523 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 5: but he chased it down and just punched it off 524 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:08,959 Speaker 5: the glass. 525 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 2: How about some Uc and Xavier for our wind Schuler's 526 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 2: Call of the Night Dan Horde, uh on the call there, 527 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 2: and of course Joe and Byron as well for Xavier 528 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 2: and that Call to Night brought to you by Win Shulers. 529 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 2: Fantastic cheese spreads. Elevate your taste game. Maybe get some 530 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 2: wind shoulders if you're gathering to watch the Crossdown shootout 531 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 2: coming up on Friday. More on that later on in 532 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 2: the show. But now let's get to your phone calls. 533 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 2: Five one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen point thirty is 534 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 2: the phone number. We start in Mount Healthy and uh, 535 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 2: well no we don't. Johnny just hung up. Let's go 536 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 2: to Darryl in Batavia. What's up? Darryl? 537 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 3: All right, I'm not satdye. 538 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 2: How's it going? Not too bad? What's on your mind? 539 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 3: It's the whole and it's not even just Trail. All 540 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 3: the players that are under contract and say well, I 541 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 3: need more money or I'm not playing and. 542 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 6: Calls and all the drama. 543 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 3: These guys are very well paid for what they do, 544 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 3: whether they're you know, the best or the medal of 545 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 3: the lane. If you're under contract, go play the game, 546 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 3: make your money that way, what calls in drama. 547 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 5: And you do your job. 548 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you, I think, especially like once 549 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,399 Speaker 2: we get into the season, I really don't want that 550 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 2: cropping up now to well, you should always be negotiating 551 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 2: for for a fair deal and what's do. 552 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 3: It behind the scenes, don't go so I don't make 553 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 3: it public. 554 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what I'm saying. Like for Trey, since 555 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 2: he got that deal, he really hasn't said much. And 556 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 2: that's the thing about right now, nobody's saying anything, which 557 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 2: is what makes it weird from what we're used to. 558 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 3: But how much how much has he actually played and 559 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 3: done well this year? 560 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 4: Right? 561 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 2: Very little? But do we know that that's contract related? 562 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 2: I don't know. That's what I'm saying, Like we don't 563 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 2: seem to know anything. 564 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 3: But but that's not I mean, he could have played 565 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 3: on the same contract and had another record setting season. 566 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 3: You know, do you remember the movie the remake of 567 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 3: mister deeds. 568 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 2: No, but go ahead, I'm. 569 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 3: Saying with the quarterback saying, well, I thought if I 570 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 3: played well, i'd renegotiate my contract. 571 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 2: Okay, And he's like, well, what happens? 572 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 3: You played bad? 573 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 4: Are you going to. 574 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 3: Renegotiate and let us pay you less? 575 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 2: He's like, no, I'm not right. 576 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,399 Speaker 3: It's just go do your job and earn your money 577 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 3: that way. 578 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 2: Well, so that's exactly what happened. He went and got 579 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 2: he did his job, he got a raise, and now 580 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 2: he's performing poorly. Thank you Darryl for the phone call. 581 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 2: And he's not performing at all, and he's gotten hurt. 582 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 2: And it's been a tough situation for Trey. But all 583 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 2: I'm saying is like, clearly something's not adding up, and 584 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 2: I don't quite understand it because it's different from what 585 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 2: we're used to. Let's go to Florence. Let's talk to Mark. 586 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 2: What's up? Mark? 587 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 4: Hey, how're you going? Some of the callers alluded to 588 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 4: this yesterday, but I think I'm looking at the d 589 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 4: unless my eyes aligned to me. When they included Kenley 590 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 4: Jackson into the rotation, and you know, Shamar Stewart got 591 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 4: hurt and Cam Taylor Brick got hurt. You know, them 592 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 4: two moves look like addition by subtraction, and they could 593 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 4: let the two ends play on every down instead of 594 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 4: rotating them in and out. I think that has a 595 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 4: lot to do with the defense improving. And you know, 596 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 4: they they're not completely stopping the run, but they look 597 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 4: like it's slowing it down. Teams are not running on 598 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 4: them like they were prior to them elevating with Kenley 599 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 4: Jackson and letting him get into the rotation and are 600 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 4: you seeing the same thing. 601 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a I think that's a good 602 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 2: point mark because you know, overall they've tackled a lot better. 603 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 2: Is that directly because of those guys? I don't know, 604 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 2: But I mean I know the way that Jalen Davis 605 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,760 Speaker 2: played against Baltimore, it was like, why hasn't he gotten 606 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 2: a chance all year? He's been stored on the practice squad. 607 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 2: But yeah, I think the more that that those guys 608 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 2: get reps, the better that they're going to perform. We 609 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,879 Speaker 2: saw this happen with Osai last year. It wasn't until 610 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 2: the end of the year where he really kicked it 611 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 2: into gear. Now Murphy is playing really well. I think 612 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 2: consistent reps has voted well for both levels, really all 613 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 2: three levels of that defense. When you think to DJ 614 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 2: Turner to the linebackers performing better and those edge rushers. 615 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, And as far as the offense goes, you know, 616 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 4: now that Burrow's back, I mean that that pretty much 617 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 4: saves Zack Taylor's job if the season plays out on 618 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 4: a positive note, because you know, when he's out there, 619 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,280 Speaker 4: you know, all Zach has to do his call plays. 620 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 4: You don't have to do a lot of coaching because 621 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 4: Burrow can he can do what he can do, you know, 622 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 4: on offense. But I still have a problem in the 623 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 4: red zone. They they've always struggled the red zone, and 624 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 4: I think it's because they don't use the tight end up. 625 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 4: So I hope somewhere down the line he figures that 626 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 4: out to use the tight end to stop going empty backfield, 627 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 4: because I the field is condensed when you get down there. 628 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 4: I just think I like that play action corner of 629 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 4: the end zone of no offense like we saw in 630 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 4: the first game of the season. You know, I think 631 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 4: we ought to see that again. So I'll get off 632 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:27,879 Speaker 4: and listen to the show. 633 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, Mark, thank you for the phone call. I appreciate it. Yeah, 634 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,280 Speaker 2: I mean, go back to last year, if my memory 635 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 2: serves correct, the Bengals were a top five offense in 636 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 2: the NFL in red zone percentage, So I know that 637 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 2: they've historically been really good inside the red zone. They 638 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 2: were top ten and twenty twenty three, they were top 639 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 2: five and twenty twenty four, so they've they've been good 640 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 2: in the red zone. They clearly were not good in 641 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 2: the red zone against Baltimore, and I'm hoping that's just 642 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 2: Oh by the way, twenty twenty two, they were number 643 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 2: seven in red zone offense. So they've historically been really 644 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 2: good inside the red zone offensively. But I was confused 645 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 2: a little bit by some of the play calling. Didn't 646 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 2: love some of the play calling inside the red zone. 647 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 2: They I just think run game has to be more 648 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 2: effective and short yardage down there. And also if you 649 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 2: get down there and you spread them out, you have 650 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 2: the weapons, you have Chase, you have Higgins, you have 651 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,799 Speaker 2: those tight ends, you're gonna get a mismatch somewhere. So 652 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 2: I don't really have a lot of beef with the 653 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,359 Speaker 2: way that they've performed in the red zone. Obviously, they 654 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 2: didn't play well against Baltimore. That to me was more 655 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 2: of an outlier than anything else. Let's go to Boston. 656 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:41,879 Speaker 2: Talk to John. What's up John? 657 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 6: Hey, Audie, how you doing this afternoon? 658 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,240 Speaker 2: I'm good man. What's on your mind? 659 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 6: Always doing a great job, especially when you're hosting along 660 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,439 Speaker 6: for three hours. Never easy at all. 661 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 2: Great job, my friend. Thank you? 662 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,600 Speaker 6: Yeah you. First of all, you talk about lack of 663 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,760 Speaker 6: leadership with Trey Hendrickson, I mean not attending meetings, constantly complaining. 664 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 6: And then he turned around and see the quarterback has 665 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 6: his toe operated on Friday and his back at the 666 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 6: meetings on Monday, planning next week's same plan. He's on 667 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 6: the sideline and all. He couldn't travel for the first 668 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:11,840 Speaker 6: few games because they woudn't allow him to fly, but 669 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,919 Speaker 6: he was all in to be part of the team, 670 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 6: and that's what true leadership is. So I think he 671 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 6: can see the difference there. If we touched on it yesterday, 672 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 6: how the defense has been better without Shamar Stewart and 673 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 6: to some degree with Trey Hendrickson. The last three games 674 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,840 Speaker 6: that Shamar Stewart played in, the Bengals gave up thirty 675 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 6: one to Pittsburgh, thirty nine to the Jets and forty 676 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 6: seven to the Bears t one hundred and seventeen points 677 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,320 Speaker 6: as a thirty nine point average. In the three ensuing 678 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,279 Speaker 6: games without him, they gave up twenty to the Steelers, 679 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 6: nineteen to the Patriots, and fourteen to the Ravens. That's 680 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,439 Speaker 6: fifty three points. That's seventeen point seven points per game. 681 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,879 Speaker 6: So I reached out a couple of friends of mine 682 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,840 Speaker 6: who are coaches at high school college level, and sometimes 683 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 6: they're the best people to talk to because they really 684 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,359 Speaker 6: get inside what's going on on the field. And their 685 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 6: feeling has been that they now got more reps for 686 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 6: Osa and Murphy, but also the fact that they believe 687 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 6: Golden has kind of simplified the defense. And they both 688 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,560 Speaker 6: told me that Cincinnati Bengals have a lot of really 689 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 6: good athletes up there. Let's them just go play. Let's 690 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 6: not make it too complicated. And you see the difference 691 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 6: in especially Golden maybe dialing up some pressures. It's worked 692 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,279 Speaker 6: a lot better. And maybe these two young guys just 693 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,320 Speaker 6: need to get reps and more reps. 694 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it could be that simple. I think 695 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 2: obviously the growing pains and the patients that we had 696 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 2: to go through to get to this point are could 697 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,319 Speaker 2: be what ended up keeping them out of the playoffs. 698 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 2: But I do think also situationally, Golden has done a 699 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 2: good job of kind of forcing the offense's hand. If 700 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:40,879 Speaker 2: they're going to line up in a shotgun and you're 701 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 2: going to crowd the line of scrimmage, you're going to 702 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 2: kind of force them to set their protection, maybe take 703 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 2: a guy out of the route, maybe dial up a 704 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 2: hot especially on a third and long, and then you've 705 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 2: got to be able to rally and tackle. So I 706 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,759 Speaker 2: think situationally, al Golden has improved a little bit and 707 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 2: been a little bit more fearless with those different looks 708 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,319 Speaker 2: at the line of scrimmage. And I think the confusion 709 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 2: of the offense has been a has benefited the defense 710 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 2: and those guys' ability to kind of to tackle a 711 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,880 Speaker 2: little bit better and to know what's coming. So overall, 712 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 2: I think it's it's been better for the play caller 713 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,399 Speaker 2: and for the players themselves, and reps have a big 714 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,200 Speaker 2: part to do with that, and maybe knowing what the 715 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:20,759 Speaker 2: offense is going to do as a part of that 716 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 2: as well. 717 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,239 Speaker 6: Yeah, without question, and then you also look at the 718 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,760 Speaker 6: fact that this is going to be a tough challenge 719 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:27,840 Speaker 6: this week against Buffalo. 720 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 2: I mean, the Bills ran the ball like. 721 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,360 Speaker 6: The Nebraska Cornhuskers Circle nineteen ninety four last Sunday against 722 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 6: the Pittsburgh Feelers. And he's got Josh Allen. But now 723 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,800 Speaker 6: you look at Osai and some other guys up front, 724 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,240 Speaker 6: especially Miles Murphy. These are athletes that are as big 725 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,080 Speaker 6: as Josh Allen and as mobile as Josh Allen. Those 726 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 6: are good guys to combat him and try to contain him. 727 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,759 Speaker 6: If they can contain that running game, I think they 728 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,240 Speaker 6: can certainly win in Buffalo because we know that Burrow 729 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 6: is owned Josh Allen at the head, so why not 730 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,879 Speaker 6: continue that narrative going forward. So I'm optimistic about all 731 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,240 Speaker 6: of this, and I think the defense being turned around 732 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 6: is just by making it simpler and getting those young 733 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,279 Speaker 6: guys sure reps. It's like anything else. I mean, if 734 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,320 Speaker 6: they only play three plays and then sit out for 735 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 6: a half hours then have to come back in, they 736 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,479 Speaker 6: can't get into a rhythm. And that's any sport you play, 737 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:17,760 Speaker 6: it's all about being in rhythms. 738 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, John, thank you for the phone call. I appreciate it, 739 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,400 Speaker 2: and yeah, you're one hundred percent correct. And you know 740 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,840 Speaker 2: it's going to be a challenge, and I think to 741 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 2: March's point, McKinley Jackson is going to be tested, you know, TJ. 742 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,560 Speaker 2: Slayton is going to be tested in the interior of 743 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 2: that run game. Chris Jenkins is going to have to 744 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,880 Speaker 2: be a part of that. And then those two guys 745 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 2: outside set in the edge. They did a great job 746 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,400 Speaker 2: against Baltimore. They've done and had some flash moments in 747 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,200 Speaker 2: the past. Can they be that consistent? Moving forward? Another 748 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,759 Speaker 2: short break, we'll be back. This is Tony Pike since 749 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,920 Speaker 2: he three to sixty on ESPN fifteen to thirty from 750 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 2: the Any Weather Heating and Darokom. Back Tony Pike since 751 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 2: he three sixty. Just a couple of minutes here before 752 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 2: we get to Joe Daniman from Fox nineteen. So we've 753 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 2: got time for Charles calling from Minneapolis. Charles, you're on 754 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,439 Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty. What's on your mind? 755 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 4: Hey? 756 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 5: Own you. I wanted to appreciate real quickly that information 757 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 5: you gave a sort of assessments, you know, state of 758 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,239 Speaker 5: the college football address you gave if you will, very interesting, Kay, 759 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 5: haven't really thought of it that way, but actually I 760 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,759 Speaker 5: agree with you, but haven't thought of that way. Here's 761 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,960 Speaker 5: what I call about is what I call about. 762 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:28,800 Speaker 4: I am done. 763 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 5: I love everything about the Bengals. Always been a Bengals 764 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,840 Speaker 5: fan my entire life. My first game was Bingles against 765 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 5: the Browns, and I took the Bengals and never left 766 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,640 Speaker 5: him as a ten year old guy. Very okay, Trey 767 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:48,279 Speaker 5: Henderson done, Henderson Steven done, completely done. I think what 768 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,479 Speaker 5: you said the extremes are probable. Actually, I think they're 769 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,839 Speaker 5: more probable than what you are even suggested. I do 770 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,840 Speaker 5: think that they one or both have decided. This is 771 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,239 Speaker 5: where we all were done. Move on. 772 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:02,520 Speaker 6: Every other team. 773 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:07,120 Speaker 5: Everybody laughed at you know, Jerry Jones on the big 774 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,480 Speaker 5: swing with the Michael Parsons. Are they still laughing now 775 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,560 Speaker 5: that team is turning around. We need to take big swings. 776 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,959 Speaker 5: Be done with Drey Hendrickson at the end of the year. 777 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 5: However we do that tag. I don't know about all 778 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 5: that stuff. I'm not well versed on that. Be done, Trey, 779 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,720 Speaker 5: get rid of him, be done, get big swing. Secondly, 780 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,360 Speaker 5: and very briefly, the offense is what it is. Zach Taylor. 781 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 5: I've always said since the beginning of Joe Burrow Zach 782 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,560 Speaker 5: Taylor wanted to be the big guy at an offensive 783 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,839 Speaker 5: groog and he kind of rolle his thing that way. 784 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:43,120 Speaker 5: What I think we should do look at our draft completely, 785 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 5: and everybody knows how we draft Malachi Starts, who was 786 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 5: available at the time we took Shamar Stewart was not drafted. 787 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 5: He is now leading the rookies and the interceptions at tackles, 788 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,320 Speaker 5: performing very well. Now I will say he's playing alongside 789 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,080 Speaker 5: of the number one safety in the NFL, but at 790 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,200 Speaker 5: the same time that brings more traffic to him. We 791 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,880 Speaker 5: need to just draft better. 792 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 2: Period. 793 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you very much for the time. 794 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,160 Speaker 2: I always love the shows, Charles. Thank you so much 795 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,480 Speaker 2: for the phone call. I appreciate it and appreciate the 796 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,480 Speaker 2: kind words. And yeah, I think there's a lot of 797 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,239 Speaker 2: people that feel that way done when it comes to 798 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,359 Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson. And if this team ever wants to get 799 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,120 Speaker 2: back to where they want to go, drafting better is 800 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,000 Speaker 2: a prerequisite, no doubt about it. Good take from Charles, 801 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,040 Speaker 2: good call, good first hour, good guest coming up next, 802 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,600 Speaker 2: It's Joe Daniman. This is ESPN fifteen thirty