WEBVTT - Rust and Concrete Tiles 0:00:00.530 --> 0:00:04.880 KFI AM 640, you're listening to Dean Sharp, the House Whisperer, 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:07.680 on demand on the iHeartRadio app. 0:00:13.260 --> 0:00:43.190 Music Let me come home, home is where I'm with you. Home, 0:00:43.390 --> 0:00:52.140 let me come home, home is where I'm with you. 0:00:52.220 --> 0:00:58.600 Good morning, my friend, and welcome home. I am Dean Sharp, a.k.a. 0:00:58.900 --> 0:01:03.760 The House Whisperer, custom home builder, custom home designer, and 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:07.800 every week, your guide to better understanding that place where 0:01:08.060 --> 0:01:11.660 you live. Doesn't matter to me whether your home is 0:01:11.700 --> 0:01:15.480 a castle or a cottage. All I know is this. 0:01:16.410 --> 0:01:18.509 It's not luxury that makes a great home. It is 0:01:18.569 --> 0:01:22.590 design that matters most. And that's why I'm here to encourage. 0:01:22.170 --> 0:01:24.850 You, push you a little bit out. 0:01:24.790 --> 0:01:27.399 Of your comfort zone so you can see something more 0:01:27.459 --> 0:01:30.940 dramatic and substantial happen in your home. And of course, 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:35.360 answer all of your questions regarding what is going on 0:01:35.420 --> 0:01:38.860 with the home that you've got as we continue together 0:01:38.980 --> 0:01:42.369 to find the dream home that's hiding inside that home 0:01:42.610 --> 0:01:45.209 for you. And that's what Saturday mornings are all about. 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:49.470 Saturday mornings are free for all, all calls, and it's 0:01:49.610 --> 0:01:52.370 all about you. It's all about you setting the agenda 0:01:52.470 --> 0:01:56.600 for the show. Our phone lines are open. Whatever the 0:01:56.660 --> 0:01:59.220 issue is, whatever has, as I like to say, you 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:02.190 scratching your head about your home, Whether it is a 0:02:02.350 --> 0:02:08.090 design question, it is a construction issue, a DIY concern, 0:02:08.710 --> 0:02:11.470 inside your home, outside, landscape, decor. 0:02:11.630 --> 0:02:12.110 I got you. 0:02:12.430 --> 0:02:15.169 This is what we do. And we'll put our heads together, 0:02:15.190 --> 0:02:17.169 you and me. We will get it figured out. So 0:02:17.230 --> 0:02:20.780 you are awake and up early on this Saturday morning 0:02:20.860 --> 0:02:23.079 here on the West Coast, at least. It's not so 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:25.960 early on the East Coast. It's just a lovely Saturday morning. 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:29.000 Wherever you are, give me a call and we'll talk 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:32.410 about your home today. And we will make some progress today. 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:39.780 So the number to reach me, 833-2-ASK-DEAN. 833, the numeral 2, 0:02:39.780 --> 0:02:43.489 and then you just spell out ASK-DEAN. 0:02:43.510 --> 0:02:47.730 833-2-ASK-DEAN. It's just that simple. The phone lines are open 0:02:47.870 --> 0:02:48.329 right now. 0:02:48.930 --> 0:02:51.650 And I think we've got a call or so on 0:02:51.669 --> 0:02:53.389 the board, but we're just going to hang out and 0:02:53.410 --> 0:02:55.850 let the things develop here for a couple of minutes. 0:02:55.889 --> 0:02:59.510 In the meantime, I'm going to say good morning to Mario. 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:03.079 Good morning, Dean. Happy, beautiful Saturday morning to you, my friend. 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.560 It's a bit windy, my friend. It's a bit windy outside. 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:07.660 It is. 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.519 I believe our weather expert, Heather, will chime in in 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:12.470 a few seconds. But I think today's the last day 0:03:12.490 --> 0:03:15.049 with our high winds. I think so. And is there 0:03:15.090 --> 0:03:15.890 some rain coming? 0:03:15.950 --> 0:03:16.310 I don't know. 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:18.780 I hear whispers about that. Yeah, I'm excited. 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:20.459 There is rain coming. 0:03:20.820 --> 0:03:24.260 Oh, well, Heather. There she is. 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:25.160 I'm here. 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:27.660 There is wind and there is rain. 0:03:28.210 --> 0:03:29.320 Is there really rain? 0:03:29.660 --> 0:03:33.549 Yeah, not till Monday, though. Monday and Tuesdays. Actually, most 0:03:33.590 --> 0:03:35.030 of next week, it's supposed to be raining. 0:03:35.490 --> 0:03:36.589 Well, how are you doing, boo? 0:03:36.810 --> 0:03:37.710 I'm good. 0:03:37.930 --> 0:03:38.550 I'm good. 0:03:38.790 --> 0:03:42.090 You know, just covering all these fires. It's wild times 0:03:42.150 --> 0:03:42.550 over here. 0:03:42.570 --> 0:03:43.290 I know. 0:03:43.310 --> 0:03:43.910 I know. 0:03:44.510 --> 0:03:44.870 You know, yeah. 0:03:47.110 --> 0:03:49.960 I was going to say, I don't want to be misinterpreted. 0:03:50.350 --> 0:03:53.240 I'm glad that we've got this far into the fall 0:03:53.300 --> 0:03:56.360 without any gigantic fires. That's all I'm saying. 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:57.040 Yes. 0:03:57.180 --> 0:03:59.460 I know we've got these fires that have, you know, 0:03:59.620 --> 0:04:00.560 we've got, what, four. 0:04:00.380 --> 0:04:00.920 Or five of them? 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:02.180 There's five. 0:04:02.260 --> 0:04:03.380 Yeah. 0:04:03.900 --> 0:04:08.990 But nothing's completely out of control yet, I don't think. But, yeah, 0:04:09.130 --> 0:04:12.290 let's just fingers crossed that none of these turn into the, 0:04:12.670 --> 0:04:15.500 you know, thousand plus acre disaster. 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:17.200 Looks like they're getting, you know, trying to get a 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:20.980 good handle on that Norte fire down in San Clemente 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:23.680 area and the Bryson fire in Malibu. They're getting some 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.710 good handle on it. So hopefully things can continue to 0:04:26.730 --> 0:04:28.790 go their way. And fortunately, yes, it is going to 0:04:28.850 --> 0:04:29.990 rain most of next week. 0:04:30.070 --> 0:04:30.190 So. 0:04:30.930 --> 0:04:34.970 Yeah, busy day in the KFI 24-hour newsroom over here. 0:04:35.210 --> 0:04:36.710 There you go. Keeping you on your toes. 0:04:36.730 --> 0:04:37.050 Yeah. 0:04:37.070 --> 0:04:39.610 Keeping you on your toes. I just came back from, 0:04:40.050 --> 0:04:43.929 we just spent yesterday in Temecula. 0:04:44.670 --> 0:04:46.730 Did you love it? You've been there before, though, right? 0:04:46.850 --> 0:04:47.150 Oh, yeah. 0:04:47.330 --> 0:04:50.100 Yeah, we've been around there before. We were in Temecula 0:04:50.250 --> 0:04:53.580 because we went to see John Mulaney at Pechanga. 0:04:54.140 --> 0:04:56.280 Oh, that's fun. How was that? 0:04:56.300 --> 0:04:59.050 Oh, we love John. We just love him. 0:04:59.190 --> 0:05:00.729 Oh, you're on a first-name basis with him now? 0:05:00.750 --> 0:05:05.210 Oh, yeah. You know, we were talking before the show. 0:05:05.290 --> 0:05:07.830 I'm like, hey, how's your set looking? He's like, pretty good. 0:05:07.890 --> 0:05:10.070 Pretty tight. Thanks for the advice last month on that. 0:05:10.170 --> 0:05:11.210 I tuned that up a little bit. 0:05:14.210 --> 0:05:17.350 I would like to see him perform. I think he's 0:05:17.370 --> 0:05:19.989 a very smart and very funny writer. 0:05:20.630 --> 0:05:21.550 He is, he is. 0:05:21.790 --> 0:05:23.910 He's just, uh, he's been through a lot too, you know, 0:05:24.029 --> 0:05:27.340 and I think he's recovered through it, uh, very graciously 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:29.779 and he's come out the other side. So, uh, we 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:33.099 were out there to, to support him. Plus we just 0:05:33.140 --> 0:05:36.480 love his stuff. Tina and I actually fall asleep quite 0:05:36.580 --> 0:05:37.830 often to stand up. 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:38.700 That's a thing. 0:05:38.779 --> 0:05:39.260 What? 0:05:39.700 --> 0:05:42.130 Yeah, we do. That's one of the things we, we, 0:05:42.330 --> 0:05:42.930 we like to do. 0:05:44.010 --> 0:05:47.339 And I don't know what effect it has on us, uh, 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.460 you know, versus others, but like at night we'll lay 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:51.960 down in bed and we're like, Hey, you. 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:53.640 Know what, you want to, you want to just fall 0:05:53.660 --> 0:05:54.560 asleep to some standup. 0:05:54.660 --> 0:05:57.230 And then I'll just, I'll pull up some standup on 0:05:57.330 --> 0:05:59.789 my phone and I'll set the timer on my phone. 0:05:59.810 --> 0:06:02.270 So like, you know, it's going to shut itself off 0:06:02.350 --> 0:06:05.270 in 15 minutes or 20 minutes or so. And we'll 0:06:05.310 --> 0:06:06.890 just close our eyes and lay there in bed and 0:06:06.930 --> 0:06:09.680 fall asleep to some of our favorite standup. So John 0:06:10.060 --> 0:06:12.380 is one of the, like one of his specials or, 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:15.940 you know, uh, uh, Shang Wang. 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:17.240 Oh, I love Shang Wang. 0:06:17.460 --> 0:06:18.420 Will fall asleep to Shang. 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:19.800 Do you do like new comics? 0:06:19.900 --> 0:06:20.320 Or Nate Bargetzi? 0:06:20.500 --> 0:06:21.479 Oh, I love Nate Bargetzi. 0:06:21.740 --> 0:06:22.480 Or, you know, I mean. 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:24.700 Like newer stuff or like old stuff? Because like, are 0:06:24.730 --> 0:06:27.529 you falling asleep to like Richard Pryor or Eddie Murphy? 0:06:27.550 --> 0:06:28.950 No, no, no, no, no. 0:06:29.430 --> 0:06:32.409 That's what I'm envisioning in my mind is like the classics. 0:06:33.070 --> 0:06:35.630 No, no, no. The newer guys. 0:06:36.610 --> 0:06:37.310 I love that. 0:06:37.410 --> 0:06:40.409 Guys who are popping right now. How interesting. 0:06:40.450 --> 0:06:42.050 I love that. Well, I'm going to send you some 0:06:42.089 --> 0:06:45.190 recommendations for comics because I do comedy and I have 0:06:45.250 --> 0:06:47.469 a lot of comedian friends. So maybe I'll send you 0:06:47.490 --> 0:06:50.109 some recommendations. There may be people you've already heard of. 0:06:50.250 --> 0:06:52.770 Oh, please do. Please do. Yeah, I love that. 0:06:53.130 --> 0:06:55.150 Yeah, it's just a really cool way to sort of 0:06:55.210 --> 0:06:57.719 nod off into the evening. And some of them are 0:06:57.740 --> 0:07:00.460 just bits we've heard like 50 times already, but we're 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:01.820 just like, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:03.400 That's so funny. 0:07:03.420 --> 0:07:04.220 I love that. 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.599 A lot of people really do listen to comedy albums 0:07:07.740 --> 0:07:13.630 over and over again. That's so fascinating. I never do 0:07:13.670 --> 0:07:17.510 that myself, but I love that people appreciate a good 0:07:17.810 --> 0:07:19.740 joke and a good, well-written set. 0:07:21.730 --> 0:07:23.980 We do a lot of laughing around here because, you know, 0:07:24.100 --> 0:07:25.020 life is what it is. 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:27.100 That's right. You got to do a lot of laughing. 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:28.080 You have to find your joy. 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:29.780 Exactly. All right. 0:07:29.940 --> 0:07:36.670 So it's about time to hand you some time to 0:07:36.710 --> 0:07:39.870 do the news. And then we come back and we 0:07:39.890 --> 0:07:41.750 got a call or two on the board and we'll 0:07:41.790 --> 0:07:44.860 go to the phones. You are home with Dean Sharp, 0:07:45.260 --> 0:07:46.000 the house whisperer. 0:07:47.290 --> 0:07:50.570 You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from 0:07:50.650 --> 0:07:53.770 KFI AM 640. 0:07:53.770 --> 0:07:57.470 Good Saturday morning to you, my friend. It is an 0:07:57.530 --> 0:08:00.540 all calls Saturday. Here's the number to reach me because 0:08:00.940 --> 0:08:03.280 you're the star of the show. Sorry. Sorry to put 0:08:03.300 --> 0:08:05.380 that on you. Just you woke up and you're like, 0:08:05.420 --> 0:08:07.760 I'm just going to listen to Dean. And then suddenly 0:08:08.300 --> 0:08:11.080 now you're full of responsibilities. But that's just the way 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:16.210 it works out here. okay fine it wasn't really okay 0:08:16.990 --> 0:08:21.070 uh the number to reach me 833 to ask dean 0:08:21.070 --> 0:08:25.440 833 the numeral two ask dean anything that's got you 0:08:25.460 --> 0:08:27.160 scratching your head about your home give me a call 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:29.720 we'll talk it through uh i'm gonna talk to dan 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:32.900 hey dan welcome home dan are you with me hi 0:08:32.950 --> 0:08:36.050 dean hey hey i am how are you i am 0:08:36.150 --> 0:08:36.810 well sir. 0:08:36.690 --> 0:08:39.449 How can i help you I have a light fixture 0:08:39.490 --> 0:08:46.010 in my bathroom that got really rusty from the moisture 0:08:46.030 --> 0:08:48.390 and just from the shower and the moisture in the bathroom. 0:08:49.110 --> 0:08:51.630 It's just got rust spots all over it. And I'm wondering, 0:08:51.670 --> 0:08:54.709 I'm going to replace it with another one just like it. 0:08:55.380 --> 0:08:58.900 because it matches the other fixtures. Is there anything I 0:08:58.940 --> 0:09:01.620 can spray on it or anything to prevent it from 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:02.660 getting rusty again? 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:04.220 Yeah. 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:07.500 Actually, describe the fixture to me real quick just so 0:09:07.540 --> 0:09:09.640 I get kind of a sense of it. 0:09:10.429 --> 0:09:11.770 Well, it's a silver. 0:09:11.830 --> 0:09:14.510 It's definitely not stainless steel, but it's some kind of 0:09:14.590 --> 0:09:20.710 silver tin or something, and it has three light where 0:09:20.730 --> 0:09:23.130 you put in the bulb, and it has a glass cover. 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:28.730 a bell-shaped glass covering over each bulb. It has three bulbs. 0:09:29.070 --> 0:09:30.070 Yep, yep, yep, yep. 0:09:30.170 --> 0:09:30.490 Okay. 0:09:31.070 --> 0:09:32.370 Yeah, here's the thing. 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:38.020 It's... You know, it's never an absolute guarantee because you 0:09:38.059 --> 0:09:39.970 got a room with a lot of moisture in it. 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:43.620 But we actually do this kind of thing all the time. 0:09:44.740 --> 0:09:49.990 I'll tell you this quick story. I'm always fiddling with 0:09:50.140 --> 0:09:53.990 customizing fixtures for environments that they don't belong in. And 0:09:54.330 --> 0:09:56.650 not that this light doesn't belong in the bathroom. But, 0:09:56.870 --> 0:10:01.960 you know, I would personally... love it if the lighting 0:10:02.030 --> 0:10:08.000 industry made more bathroom-specific lights or sconces that were already 0:10:08.220 --> 0:10:12.699 equipped to handle high moisture, high humidity. Of course, you know, 0:10:12.740 --> 0:10:16.720 vanity lights, built-in mirrored lights, they assume that that's going 0:10:16.740 --> 0:10:19.020 to be the case, but not just regular sconces. 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:22.410 So often a wise homeowner like. 0:10:22.250 --> 0:10:24.689 Yourself would be like, okay, we got to figure this 0:10:24.809 --> 0:10:28.729 out on our own. But it's actually a real simple process. Now, 0:10:28.870 --> 0:10:31.370 I was about to advise you how to clean up 0:10:31.390 --> 0:10:33.609 the one that you've got. But if you're just replacing it, 0:10:33.670 --> 0:10:38.130 then we'll bypass that. When you get the new fixture 0:10:38.790 --> 0:10:42.470 before you put it up, it actually can be really simple. 0:10:42.950 --> 0:10:45.910 It's what I did. I have a chandelier hanging over 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:47.290 our outdoor table. 0:10:47.870 --> 0:10:52.030 Okay. And, uh, out outside under our ash tree, uh, 0:10:52.110 --> 0:10:57.310 completely exposed to the weather. And it's a totally normal, 0:10:57.330 --> 0:10:59.699 I mean, it's not a crystalline chandelier. It's a, it's 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:03.080 an iron, you know, like a black metal, uh, iron chandelier, 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:07.800 but not made to be outside, not at all. And, uh, 0:11:07.940 --> 0:11:09.880 and so what we do, we got a little creative 0:11:09.940 --> 0:11:13.750 with it. Uh, first of all, we took the chandelier and, uh, 0:11:14.230 --> 0:11:17.449 When we put the bulbs in, we actually siliconed, put 0:11:17.490 --> 0:11:20.050 a little silicone ring around each of the bulbs down 0:11:20.110 --> 0:11:23.490 before the socket, knowing that it was going to get 0:11:23.590 --> 0:11:28.340 rain and moisture so that moisture doesn't drip down and 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.739 get into those areas. But for the main body of 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:35.120 the chandelier, we just gave it a clear coat with 0:11:35.580 --> 0:11:37.800 some Rust-Oleum matte enamel. 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.960 And that would be my suggestion to you. It's really simple. 0:11:41.420 --> 0:11:43.800 Just hang it up in the garage somewhere or outside 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.700 somewhere so that it's kind of free-hanging. Make sure it's 0:11:46.780 --> 0:11:50.900 nice and clean, which it should be, brand-new fixture, but 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:51.360 make sure. 0:11:51.260 --> 0:11:52.180 It's all dust-free. 0:11:52.660 --> 0:11:55.940 And then, you know, at the big-box store, the hardware store, whatever, 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:57.459 you can get your hands on. 0:11:58.980 --> 0:12:01.160 Some Rust-Oleum mat. 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:03.950 I would say mat because we don't want to add 0:12:04.490 --> 0:12:09.210 any additional weird gloss to the fixture. It's already shiny enough. 0:12:09.670 --> 0:12:11.770 Matt just means it's kind of going to go away 0:12:12.050 --> 0:12:15.500 and give it a couple of spray down coats. 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:17.380 Of of Rust-Oleum. 0:12:17.460 --> 0:12:19.740 I mean, we're talking about like a seven dollar can 0:12:20.059 --> 0:12:21.620 of of clear spray. 0:12:22.250 --> 0:12:24.910 And it will go a long, long way. 0:12:25.030 --> 0:12:29.270 And you may, you may, if where the arms of 0:12:29.870 --> 0:12:33.070 the fixture meet the back plate, you may want to, 0:12:33.410 --> 0:12:38.080 you know, throw a tiny, tiny little bead of 100% 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:41.239 clear silicone there just to kind of seal it up 0:12:41.300 --> 0:12:44.340 so that moisture doesn't collect right at that joint because 0:12:44.380 --> 0:12:48.000 that's a place where rust accumulates. tends to start because 0:12:48.059 --> 0:12:50.990 moisture likes to sit in these little weird crevices. 0:12:51.490 --> 0:12:53.290 But apart from that, yeah. 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:57.819 And it should, again, Eventually, will any light in a 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:03.070 high moisture environment eventually rust out? Yeah, it will start 0:13:03.110 --> 0:13:06.830 to develop some rust again. But nothing like the one 0:13:06.850 --> 0:13:09.050 that you had in there before. You're going to get 0:13:09.170 --> 0:13:12.890 a long, long, much, much, much longer run out of 0:13:12.929 --> 0:13:14.740 this if you put that clear coat on it. 0:13:14.980 --> 0:13:16.599 Okay, and one coat of that should do? 0:13:16.820 --> 0:13:19.000 I would say two. I'd put two on just for 0:13:19.020 --> 0:13:21.679 the heck of it. I mean, this stuff dries in 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:24.250 like a half an hour or so. So you give 0:13:24.290 --> 0:13:26.840 it a nice light spray down, not so heavy that 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.720 it's dripping. You keep the can about 12 inches away 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.830 from the fixture and just give it a light spray. 0:13:32.850 --> 0:13:37.230 And people always wonder, like, OK, I've never really done spray. 0:13:37.290 --> 0:13:39.530 I don't know what to do with the spray can. 0:13:40.070 --> 0:13:43.030 And the point is this. Take a little bit more time. 0:13:43.380 --> 0:13:44.180 Less is more. 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:44.680 Right. 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:49.179 So give it a misting, a fogging. And if you think, gee, 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.360 I feel like maybe I didn't do enough. Well, don't 0:13:51.380 --> 0:13:54.780 worry about it. Give it a little misting. Walk away. 0:13:54.940 --> 0:13:57.720 Let it dry up and get tacky for, you know, 0:13:57.820 --> 0:14:00.270 half an hour or so. Come back and do it again. 0:14:00.429 --> 0:14:03.430 And you could do that, you know, two, three, four times. 0:14:03.929 --> 0:14:06.230 By the time you've done a fourth misting on a 0:14:06.750 --> 0:14:08.650 fixture like that, believe me, it's covered. 0:14:08.770 --> 0:14:09.350 It's sealed. 0:14:09.470 --> 0:14:12.089 It'll look great. You won't see any difference in it. 0:14:12.090 --> 0:14:15.069 And that's the thing that's confusing. But that's what you want, right? 0:14:15.690 --> 0:14:19.580 It's simply now going to have this very thin but 0:14:19.630 --> 0:14:23.700 very efficient protective layer on top of it that will 0:14:23.900 --> 0:14:27.400 keep the water from touching the metal. And that's, of course, 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:29.800 the key. Water is not going to just sit on 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.540 the surface and start to rust by itself. It's the 0:14:32.580 --> 0:14:37.520 interaction with the oxygen and the metal and the moisture together. 0:14:37.660 --> 0:14:40.230 So as long as the water that's floating around in 0:14:40.250 --> 0:14:43.130 the bathroom doesn't actually get a chance to touch metal, 0:14:43.470 --> 0:14:44.650 then you're not going to have rust. 0:14:44.890 --> 0:14:45.350 Very good. 0:14:45.430 --> 0:14:46.010 Thank you, Dean. 0:14:46.030 --> 0:14:48.730 I appreciate it. You are very, very welcome, my friend. 0:14:48.910 --> 0:14:51.810 And thanks for the call. Dan started it off this morning. 0:14:52.650 --> 0:14:55.030 When we come back, more of your calls. The number 0:14:55.050 --> 0:15:00.440 to reach me, 833-2-ASK-DEAN. 833, the numeral 2, ask Dean. 0:15:00.500 --> 0:15:03.480 It's an all-call Saturday morning. You're home with Dean Sharp, 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:04.360 the House Whisperer. 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:08.700 You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp, on demand from 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:10.240 KFI AM640. 0:15:12.130 --> 0:15:13.830 It is an all-call Saturday morning. 0:15:14.310 --> 0:15:17.690 The number to reach me, because you're the star of 0:15:17.730 --> 0:15:24.180 the show today, 833-2-ASK-DEAN. 833, the numeral 2, and then 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:27.000 you just spell out ASK-DEAN. 0:15:27.020 --> 0:15:31.230 833-2-ASK-DEAN. I want to talk to Denise. Hey, Denise, welcome home. 0:15:31.830 --> 0:15:32.210 Hello. 0:15:32.250 --> 0:15:32.710 Good morning. 0:15:32.990 --> 0:15:33.410 Good morning. 0:15:33.430 --> 0:15:34.180 How can I help you? 0:15:34.390 --> 0:15:41.080 Yeah. Dean, I have a 23- or 24-year-old cement tile roof. 0:15:42.790 --> 0:15:47.550 The tiles are okay. I've been told that the underlayment 0:15:48.150 --> 0:15:52.490 may not be, and I'm not sure. Would you say 0:15:52.690 --> 0:15:57.850 that the underlayment probably needs to be replaced? And my 0:15:58.030 --> 0:16:02.890 other question is, what would you consider the best underlayment 0:16:02.990 --> 0:16:04.880 for longevity? 0:16:04.890 --> 0:16:05.580 Okay. 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:05.790 Okay. 0:16:06.220 --> 0:16:10.960 That is a this is a very, very nuanced question 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.680 that you're asking. So I want to give you a 0:16:13.910 --> 0:16:19.730 really full orbed answer about it as far as underlayments 0:16:19.790 --> 0:16:23.340 are concerned. So, everybody, you've got two components to your roof, 0:16:23.380 --> 0:16:26.180 two major components. You've got, of course, the tiles that 0:16:26.220 --> 0:16:31.660 you see. the shingles, the tiles, the concrete tiles, the asphalt, 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:35.620 and whatever that case may be. Underneath that, though, hence 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:41.280 the term underlayment, is the final protective barrier. Actually, you 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:45.250 could say the primary protective barrier of your home, and 0:16:45.290 --> 0:16:53.130 that is traditionally done in old school with roofing paper. 0:16:53.670 --> 0:17:00.210 And roofing paper is asphalt-embedded fiberglass sheets that roll out. 0:17:00.230 --> 0:17:02.890 You've all seen it. Some people call it tar paper 0:17:02.950 --> 0:17:08.649 and so on. And the issue with that is now 0:17:08.859 --> 0:17:14.179 on an asphalt composite shingle home, which most homes across 0:17:14.220 --> 0:17:20.360 the country are, that's just because of affordability, the convenient thing, 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:22.270 if you want to call it that, is that the 0:17:22.310 --> 0:17:25.919 shingles age out pretty much at the same rate as 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:30.500 the asphalt building paper underneath them. And so as you 0:17:30.580 --> 0:17:34.250 start to see the asphalt shingles start to deteriorate and 0:17:34.350 --> 0:17:38.270 curl and start to lose their granulation and all of that, 0:17:38.770 --> 0:17:44.189 you can make the assumption that also the underlayment is 0:17:44.270 --> 0:17:46.959 going to, and it's a good time to just swap 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:50.130 out the whole thing. In your case, this is where 0:17:50.150 --> 0:17:55.180 it gets a little tricky because concrete tiles can be, 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:57.100 I mean, if nobody walks on them and if they 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:02.060 don't get damaged, concrete tiles can be forever. tiles, you know, 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:05.780 essentially they can last, you know, they can last a 0:18:05.820 --> 0:18:09.550 hundred years, but the underlayment underneath will not last a 0:18:09.590 --> 0:18:14.310 hundred years. However, that underlayment underneath is pretty well protected. 0:18:14.570 --> 0:18:18.250 And even though it's getting older and more brittle, and 0:18:18.290 --> 0:18:21.550 that's what happens with an underlayment is that the asphalt 0:18:21.850 --> 0:18:26.940 eventually dries out. And then that paper gets very, very brittle. 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:31.910 And at some point, The brittleness of the paper, even 0:18:31.930 --> 0:18:37.850 though it's not being disturbed by anything, heat, cold, heat, cold, 0:18:37.910 --> 0:18:41.490 expansion and contraction of the roof in minor ways can 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:47.480 eventually form a crack in the underlayment. Now, even with that, 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.490 with you've got good shingles up on top protecting it, 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:55.140 will it leak? Maybe not. Sometimes not at all. And 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:57.900 so that's what's nuanced and tricky about this. 0:18:58.160 --> 0:18:59.170 If you go by the book. 0:18:59.619 --> 0:19:02.430 Okay, if we go by the book, Denise, by the book, 0:19:03.530 --> 0:19:06.330 if you have, and I should have asked you, as 0:19:06.369 --> 0:19:12.010 far as I'm assuming, you have an asphalt roofing paper 0:19:12.869 --> 0:19:14.130 underlayment on the house. 0:19:15.670 --> 0:19:16.370 Probably. 0:19:16.650 --> 0:19:19.250 I'm not sure. 20 years back. 0:19:20.570 --> 0:19:22.650 Now, did you have the roof put on 20 years ago, 0:19:22.770 --> 0:19:24.930 or was it somebody else's roof that you inherited? 0:19:25.609 --> 0:19:26.649 It was a new house. 0:19:27.390 --> 0:19:28.310 It was a brand new house. 0:19:28.330 --> 0:19:28.470 Yes. 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:31.590 OK, so, yeah, it's kind of a talk. 0:19:32.030 --> 0:19:37.109 I'm saying 20 years ago, a still builders, standard builders 0:19:37.710 --> 0:19:42.170 were still putting up the less expensive underlayment because it's 0:19:42.190 --> 0:19:46.909 a cost for them. OK, 20 years ago, the underlayment 0:19:46.930 --> 0:19:49.970 that I'm going to recommend to you was available for. 0:19:51.510 --> 0:19:56.100 but not a lot of builders in tract homes were 0:19:56.220 --> 0:19:59.879 putting it on because it didn't affect their bottom line 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.780 in a positive way. So they're like, eh, just a 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:03.760 standard building paper. 0:20:04.630 --> 0:20:05.350 So here's the thing. 0:20:05.850 --> 0:20:09.129 I wanted to approach this carefully so that everybody could understand. 0:20:09.170 --> 0:20:11.730 And now the question is, is it time to replace it? 0:20:12.070 --> 0:20:14.420 Should you replace it? What do you replace it with? 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:16.820 If you can hang tight, we're up against a break. 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:19.520 I'm going to pop you on hold. You hang tight 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:22.300 and I'll come back to you right on the other 0:20:22.340 --> 0:20:25.129 side and we'll finish this conversation. 0:20:25.450 --> 0:20:26.750 So can you hang with me, Denise? 0:20:27.150 --> 0:20:27.290 Yes. 0:20:27.730 --> 0:20:28.890 Okay. You stay put. 0:20:29.460 --> 0:20:32.180 Everybody else, you stay put, and when we come back, 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:35.700 we'll get Denise's roof all fixed up and then take 0:20:35.740 --> 0:20:37.980 more of your calls. You're home with Dean Sharp, the 0:20:38.010 --> 0:20:38.690 House Whisperer. 0:20:39.609 --> 0:20:42.910 You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp, on demand from 0:20:42.970 --> 0:20:44.470 KFI AM640. 0:20:47.670 --> 0:20:51.070