WEBVTT - 10-15-25 Willie with John Husted

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<v Speaker 1>Billy Cunningham, the Great America.

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<v Speaker 2>We've heard from judges now in Hamilton County and also

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<v Speaker 2>later on. We have the scheduled anyway, Britney Ruby to

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<v Speaker 2>come on. I talked to her this morning at length.

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<v Speaker 2>Scheduled to come on about two o'clock today. We also

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<v Speaker 2>have Supreme Court Justice show deaters coming on. We have

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<v Speaker 2>everyone coming on, including the junior senator from the great

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<v Speaker 2>state of Ohio, Senator John Houston, who's busy in Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>not too busy with the government shutdown. A senator, I

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<v Speaker 2>saw you a week ago presiding in the Senate, and

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<v Speaker 2>I felt particularly proud you were trying to get the

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<v Speaker 2>government shutdown to conclude, but the Democrats won't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we talk about the government shutdown, what is your

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<v Speaker 2>perception of what's happening now in the city of Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 2>and what role, if any, can the state and or

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<v Speaker 2>the Feds play in bringing peace to River City.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Bill's great to be with you. It's an unfortunate thing,

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<v Speaker 3>because I say this about cities. Your number one job

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<v Speaker 3>when you're the mayor, the chief of police the city

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<v Speaker 3>council is protect people and their property. If you fail

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<v Speaker 3>to do that, you fail to do that fundamental thing,

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<v Speaker 3>then people will not visit your city, people will not

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<v Speaker 3>invest there, people will leave, people businesses will move out

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<v Speaker 3>of your downtown, your area. And it's harming, and it

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<v Speaker 3>harms the people of your city the most because not

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<v Speaker 3>only does it make them unsafe, but it also makes

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<v Speaker 3>it weakened and economically weakens your your city. And the

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<v Speaker 3>only ex I mean, you tell me what the explanation

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<v Speaker 3>is to this, but why wouldn't you have a police

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<v Speaker 3>there all the time, over time showing the presidence and

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<v Speaker 3>basically saying, no, a heart of our central business district,

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<v Speaker 3>entertainment district, it will be safe. We invite the world

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<v Speaker 3>to come to Cincinnati because it's the safest city. Instead,

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<v Speaker 3>it's becoming a very dangerous city.

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<v Speaker 1>Center of the call that was in effect.

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<v Speaker 2>PNG is grossly expanding its footprint in Mason. They're getting

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<v Speaker 2>prepared to downsize their facilities. You know Macy's has moved out,

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<v Speaker 2>is not going to become try to become apartment buildings.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of the large businesses in Cincinnati have their own

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<v Speaker 2>police department because they can't trust the city. I am

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<v Speaker 2>told the chief of police THIJI is about to become

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<v Speaker 2>the fall guy. She's about to get a copy of

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<v Speaker 2>the home game. Because the mayor's policies don't work. The

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<v Speaker 2>mayor did a big news conference. I'm not sure you

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<v Speaker 2>were there, but the governor was there, the FBI was there,

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<v Speaker 2>the Department of Treasury was there, the US Marshall was there,

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<v Speaker 2>County prosecutors there, County sheriff was there, accepting state help

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<v Speaker 2>that never arrived because the mayor and share along the

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<v Speaker 2>city manager, it never triggered it by requesting it. And

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<v Speaker 2>when you look at the memorandum of understanding, it involved

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<v Speaker 2>two shifts a month having the state involved. And now

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<v Speaker 2>after yesterday's news conference, it appears the city they finally

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<v Speaker 2>have said to the county and to the state, we

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<v Speaker 2>need help get it done. We can't fix the roads.

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<v Speaker 2>We have potholes everywhere, Bridges are falling down, and the

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<v Speaker 2>police force does not listen greatly to the chief of police, order,

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<v Speaker 2>the mayor, order the city manager. That's another complete different issue.

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<v Speaker 2>We have car break ins. We have more than twenty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand shots fired every year rattling around Cincinnati. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have about four hundred people shot. We're gona have about

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred people murdered. We're gonna have about two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>cars stolen and about fifteen thousand car break ins. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, John, excuse me, senator, Cincinnati is like seven

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<v Speaker 2>miles by eight miles.

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<v Speaker 1>It's small.

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<v Speaker 2>The public school system has forty six percent of the

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<v Speaker 2>children are chronically absent, and if you're a black boy,

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<v Speaker 2>you're chronically absent seventy one percent of the time. On

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<v Speaker 2>top of all this, we have two thousand kids in

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<v Speaker 2>foster care. We have a complete meltdown of the institutions,

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<v Speaker 2>and Corporate America is voting with their moving truck to

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<v Speaker 2>get out of downtown Cincinnati. What role, if any, could

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<v Speaker 2>then national Guard play. I know that was a topic

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<v Speaker 2>and the mayor debate, and you're kind of in charge

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<v Speaker 2>of that in a sense. What role does a National

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<v Speaker 2>Guard play to bring order to our city?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Bill, look, you needn't look very far away. Cleveland, Ohio.

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<v Speaker 3>The governor just sent a special violent crime reduction unit

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<v Speaker 3>to Cleveland with the Highway Patrol and in one weekend

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<v Speaker 3>they captured five eight eight felony arrests, six illegal firearms recovered, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>and they captured a guy who was part of a

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<v Speaker 3>mass shooting last year. Okay, and and like literally this

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<v Speaker 3>was in one weekend when when the city of Cleveland

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<v Speaker 3>finally relented and said, hey, we're going to accept help

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<v Speaker 3>from the Highway Patrol. The governor sent him in and

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<v Speaker 3>they captured all of these people who've been terrorized in

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<v Speaker 3>the community. You can do the same thing in Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just that you need to have a mayor and

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<v Speaker 3>a chief of police who are will to let it happen.

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<v Speaker 3>That you can do this with law enforcement. The challenge

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<v Speaker 3>for the National Guard is that they don't have they

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<v Speaker 3>don't have the ability to arrest people. They can protect,

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<v Speaker 3>they can create a presence, but they don't have they

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<v Speaker 3>don't have law enforcement powers. That's why sending in the

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<v Speaker 3>highway Patrol is a better way to do it, because

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<v Speaker 3>they can arrest people, they can coordinate with law enforcement,

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<v Speaker 3>and they can clean up the streets. But you've got

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<v Speaker 3>to have local leaders who will do.

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<v Speaker 1>This didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 2>We had this big news conference a month ago, it

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<v Speaker 2>didn't happen. Had another one yesterday and and what's our

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<v Speaker 2>chief of police looked in the camera and told her

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<v Speaker 2>officers in uniform what to do. She didn't tell them

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<v Speaker 2>she told the news media, and she says, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>committing crime in Cincinnati, we will confront you.

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<v Speaker 1>We will confront you.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm thinking confront me, and I want someone to

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<v Speaker 2>be arrested.

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<v Speaker 1>We have I will.

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<v Speaker 3>Arrest you and prosecute you to the fullest extent of

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<v Speaker 3>the law and get you off of our streets, probably

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<v Speaker 3>to protect businesses and do the thing that we need

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<v Speaker 3>to keep people safe. That's what she needs to say.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we're gonna confront you, and I have, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the county corner last meet some markets.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe maybe they could maybe they could have admonished them to.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna get You're gonna get time out in the corner.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, come on, she says, we will confront you.

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<v Speaker 2>And if I'm a gangbanger with guns and I'm selling drugs,

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<v Speaker 2>breaking into cars and god knows, burglarizing, I have the

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<v Speaker 2>chief of police who looks like she belongs on a

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<v Speaker 2>can of Dutch Boy paint, who's telling me I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>confront you. It's like confront We have open air drug use,

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<v Speaker 2>marijuana frequently being smoked, and I hope the President doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>do much with that, by the way, because it's gone

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<v Speaker 2>into the children. We have open air drug markets, we

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<v Speaker 2>have homeless encampments, we have car break ins, we have

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<v Speaker 2>people getting shot on Fountain Square. And the chief police says,

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<v Speaker 2>you will be confronted.

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<v Speaker 1>What why you got me?

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good, Now, I'm good. I'm good.

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<v Speaker 3>Bill. I talked to some Cincinnati officers recently and I

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<v Speaker 3>asked this question. I said, I said, look what happens

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<v Speaker 3>when you arrest people, because it's more than just it's

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<v Speaker 3>more than just the law enforcements. And then you send

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<v Speaker 3>them to court. Are they putting them away? Are they

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<v Speaker 3>Are they taking the criminals off the street and putting

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<v Speaker 3>them in jail? And one officer told me a story

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<v Speaker 3>that there's a gas station a corner where there's constantly fights,

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<v Speaker 3>there's constantly drug deals going on. They arrest, they arrest them,

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<v Speaker 3>they take them to jail, and when less than twenty

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<v Speaker 3>four hours, they're back on the streets. So the criminals

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<v Speaker 3>know that you develop a culture in your city based

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<v Speaker 3>on whether you're tough on crime or you're weak on crime.

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<v Speaker 3>And once the criminals know that there are no consequences

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<v Speaker 3>for committing crimes, guess what they commit the crimes And

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<v Speaker 3>that's the culture that's being developed that needs to be addressed.

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<v Speaker 2>The Shell station on Central Parkway is the site of

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<v Speaker 2>massive drug sales captured on video on a daily basis,

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<v Speaker 2>and there are no arrests. When I talked to Ken

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<v Speaker 2>Cooper of the FOP, they tell me we have the

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<v Speaker 2>indirect message not to arrest people unless it's required, because

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<v Speaker 2>Scottie Johnson and others on city council don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>go hands on with someone. If you go hands on,

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<v Speaker 2>you might have an incident, you might have a warrant,

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<v Speaker 2>you might find out he's got a gun. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>pull people over for speeding reckless operation because we have

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<v Speaker 2>speed bumps. The speed bumps take the place more que

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<v Speaker 2>the speed bumps because the city council doesn't want police

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<v Speaker 2>to pull somebody over, run their warrants. Okay, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have a license, they don't have insurance, their car's not registered,

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<v Speaker 2>got guns there. They don't want that to happen. So

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<v Speaker 2>we have speed bumps instead of cops. And on that point,

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<v Speaker 2>about an hour ago ahead on Judge Josh Berkowitz, who's

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<v Speaker 2>the presiding judge in Hamley County Municipal Court, he put

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<v Speaker 2>the cheese on the Cracker. He said, half the judges

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<v Speaker 2>in my court believe in restorative justice. So I say

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<v Speaker 2>to him, Okay, I think I know what is restorative justice.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're a judge that the fact is, it needs

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<v Speaker 2>to restore justice to the criminal. A many times the

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<v Speaker 2>so called black community, the great majority of black kids

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<v Speaker 2>have nothing to do with crime. But the face in

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<v Speaker 2>Cincinnati is a black male face. And so if you

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<v Speaker 2>come out of the restorative justice movement, you believe in

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<v Speaker 2>no cash bonds, and you believe that putting a kid

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<v Speaker 2>in jail for that child is worse than the victim

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<v Speaker 2>penalty inflicted upon the victim. We have a juvenile court judge,

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<v Speaker 2>Carrie Bloom, who's given talks on this subject and what

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<v Speaker 2>she says in juvenile court, I do not want to

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<v Speaker 2>put black kids in jail. It's reparations, it's about slavery,

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<v Speaker 2>it's about affirmative action, it's about DEEO. I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to put black kids in jail. And she said, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, a white female. But nonetheless she says, half

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<v Speaker 2>the judges in Amita County do not sentence anyone to jail.

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<v Speaker 2>We have another good judge, a friend of mine, Alison

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<v Speaker 2>Hathaway who released some eighteen and a half year old

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<v Speaker 2>on a gun charge. She reduced it, and then six

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<v Speaker 2>weeks later he kills sixteen year old on OTR on

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<v Speaker 2>her watch. And now that kid's going to face life imprisonment.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you do, Senator, If half the judges

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<v Speaker 2>or more in Hamley County do not want to sentence

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<v Speaker 2>anybody to jail and don't want to lock them up,

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<v Speaker 2>They want them all along the streets, what do you

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<v Speaker 2>say about that one?

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<v Speaker 3>They got to go to them out. That's what you

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<v Speaker 3>gotta do with people to do that. Bill is pretty

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<v Speaker 3>this is pretty simple. It's not the people. We've got

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<v Speaker 3>to start emphathizing with the victims and not the criminals. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>the victims of these crimes are in many cases, people

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<v Speaker 3>who live in who live in the city. They're typically

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<v Speaker 3>not visitors. There are people who call Cincinnati home, and

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<v Speaker 3>you're not protecting the innocent people of Cincinnati from the

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<v Speaker 3>criminals in Cincinnati. And it doesn't take much. You start

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<v Speaker 3>arresting people for committing crimes and put them in jail,

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<v Speaker 3>and that will send a message to other people's do

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<v Speaker 3>not do this. It will act as a deterrent. But

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<v Speaker 3>right now, if you send the message that if you

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<v Speaker 3>commit a crime there will be no consequences, that is

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<v Speaker 3>an incentive. That is that is basically saying, go ahead

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<v Speaker 3>and commit crimes in Cincinnati. I wish it, I wish it.

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<v Speaker 3>I wish admonishment and stern warnings were enough in the world.

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<v Speaker 4>But they're not confrontations. We're going to confront you. We're

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<v Speaker 4>going to confront on accountability. And that means that every

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<v Speaker 4>once in a while. That means that every once in

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<v Speaker 4>a while somebody is unfortunately going to go to jail

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<v Speaker 4>and going to go to prison. But that sends the

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<v Speaker 4>message that that behavior will not be tolerant, tolerated. It

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<v Speaker 4>becomes a community standard in which people follow it. Community

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<v Speaker 4>standards are set by your leadership, your leadership and the

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<v Speaker 4>law enforcement and your judges. And if they don't set

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<v Speaker 4>a community standard that crime will not be tolerated, then

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<v Speaker 4>they will set a community standard by default that crime

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<v Speaker 4>will be tolerated.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we talk about the government shutdown, two different judges

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<v Speaker 2>have told me that after a peer of all the

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<v Speaker 2>mayor at these endorsement opportunities for their democratic liberal judges

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<v Speaker 2>would always ask the question do you believe in restorative justice?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you believe in no cash bonds? And do you

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<v Speaker 2>believe in treatment and lieu of incarceration? Unless the judges answer,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe in all those things. Af ted piroval and

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<v Speaker 2>the Hamilty County Democratic Party you want not get the endorsement,

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<v Speaker 2>and so on the bench. Now we have restorative justice

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<v Speaker 2>thirty and forty year old, largely females who came out

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<v Speaker 2>of the movement of jails or a waste of time,

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<v Speaker 2>that jails hurt inmates more than they assist, and that

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<v Speaker 2>we believe in restorative justice, and therefore we won't send

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<v Speaker 2>people to jail.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Hamony Counties.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, right now, Senator Hamilty County is teetering to

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<v Speaker 2>becoming Chicago.

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<v Speaker 3>Bi sorative justice. I mean, that's a nice thing to say.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, where you restore justice, you get people off

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<v Speaker 3>the streets, you give justice to the victims. Okay, first

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<v Speaker 3>of all, and you know what we do in our prisons.

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<v Speaker 3>We give people a chance to rehabilitate themselves. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>department of rehabilitations corrections. And once you're in prison, you

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<v Speaker 3>can go still earn credentials to get a job. You

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<v Speaker 3>can do all these things while you're in prison, but

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<v Speaker 3>you're off the streets keeping people safe when that's happening.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how you restore somebody. You say, there's a consequence

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<v Speaker 3>if you don't behave We'll give you a chance when

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<v Speaker 3>you get out of here to go to work, because

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to help you get a job skill. But

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<v Speaker 3>you're not going to be committing crimes on our street

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<v Speaker 3>and making victor and we're going to protect the victims.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to protect the standard of what it means.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's the way you do restorative justice.

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<v Speaker 2>Ultimately, Senator, we have the government we deserve and we

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<v Speaker 2>don't deserve. If you keep voting for the same individuals

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<v Speaker 2>anticipating a different result, nothing's going to change. About a

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<v Speaker 2>minute remaining, can you give us an update on the

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<v Speaker 2>government shutdown which Chuck Schumer demands to occur. It's happening,

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<v Speaker 2>Republicans say a clean cr Democrats won one point five

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<v Speaker 2>trillion dollars, are more spending.

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<v Speaker 1>Give us an update on the shutdown.

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<v Speaker 3>The Schumer shutdown continues. We're going to vote again today.

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<v Speaker 3>This will be the ninth time that I will have

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<v Speaker 3>voted to keep the government open, clean cr keep funding

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<v Speaker 3>at the current levels. But Chuck Schumer, he really exposed

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<v Speaker 3>himself last week literally in the sense that he said, well,

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<v Speaker 3>every day that the government shut down goes on, it's

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<v Speaker 3>better for us, meaning Democrats. Well, you know what, that

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<v Speaker 3>really exposes his motivation because it's really about politics to him.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not the American people. It's not about whether our

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<v Speaker 3>military get paid. It's not whether our air traffic controllers

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<v Speaker 3>get paid. It's not whether our first responders get paid.

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<v Speaker 3>It's whether Chuck Schumer can score political points and keep

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<v Speaker 3>his job because he's scared of AOC running against him

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<v Speaker 3>in the primary in New York. And so we're being

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<v Speaker 3>run by the radical left here in this nation right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Because it requires sixty votes in the US Senate to

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<v Speaker 3>get the government back open. We've had three Democrats vote

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<v Speaker 3>with us. We just need five more. But we will

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<v Speaker 3>not relent. We're not going to give in to him

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<v Speaker 3>wanting to fund health care for illegal immigrants. We're not

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<v Speaker 3>going to give in to his massive spending proposals. We're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna going to do this the right way. We're going

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<v Speaker 3>to remain strong.

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<v Speaker 2>As long as it takes. But I hope things change

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<v Speaker 2>in Cincinnati. We have an election in two and a

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<v Speaker 2>half weeks, and if you don't change direction, you'll get

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<v Speaker 2>more of the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Senator John, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Go ahead, Bill, just just quickly. If you don't protect

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<v Speaker 3>people and their property, they're gonna leave. They're gonna leave Cincinnati,

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<v Speaker 3>businesses will leave, people won't comfort to use your restaurants.

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<v Speaker 3>And you've got to restore public order and protect the

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<v Speaker 3>people of Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Senator after a peer of all gives mouth

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<v Speaker 2>service to that. He always talks. My job one two

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<v Speaker 2>and three is public safety, and if that's his job

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<v Speaker 2>one two and three, he needs to be unemployed. So

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<v Speaker 2>Senator John used to get my best everyone in Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>and thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, John, Senator, thanks you, Bill, I thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's continue with more. It's up to you.

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<v Speaker 2>The truth will set you free. Voting for the same

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<v Speaker 2>anticipating different result as the definition of stupidity. Bill Cunningham

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<v Speaker 2>Radio seven hundred WW