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Speaker 1: Billy Cunningham, the Great America.

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Speaker 2: We've heard from judges now in Hamilton County and also

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Speaker 2: later on. We have the scheduled anyway, Britney Ruby to

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Speaker 2: come on. I talked to her this morning at length.

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Speaker 2: Scheduled to come on about two o'clock today. We also

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Speaker 2: have Supreme Court Justice show deaters coming on. We have

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Speaker 2: everyone coming on, including the junior senator from the great

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Speaker 2: state of Ohio, Senator John Houston, who's busy in Washington,

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Speaker 2: not too busy with the government shutdown. A senator, I

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Speaker 2: saw you a week ago presiding in the Senate, and

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Speaker 2: I felt particularly proud you were trying to get the

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Speaker 2: government shutdown to conclude, but the Democrats won't do that.

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Speaker 2: Before we talk about the government shutdown, what is your

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Speaker 2: perception of what's happening now in the city of Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: and what role, if any, can the state and or

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Speaker 2: the Feds play in bringing peace to River City.

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Speaker 3: Well, Bill's great to be with you. It's an unfortunate thing,

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Speaker 3: because I say this about cities. Your number one job

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Speaker 3: when you're the mayor, the chief of police the city

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Speaker 3: council is protect people and their property. If you fail

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Speaker 3: to do that, you fail to do that fundamental thing,

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Speaker 3: then people will not visit your city, people will not

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Speaker 3: invest there, people will leave, people businesses will move out

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Speaker 3: of your downtown, your area. And it's harming, and it

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Speaker 3: harms the people of your city the most because not

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Speaker 3: only does it make them unsafe, but it also makes

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Speaker 3: it weakened and economically weakens your your city. And the

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Speaker 3: only ex I mean, you tell me what the explanation

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Speaker 3: is to this, but why wouldn't you have a police

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Speaker 3: there all the time, over time showing the presidence and

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Speaker 3: basically saying, no, a heart of our central business district,

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Speaker 3: entertainment district, it will be safe. We invite the world

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Speaker 3: to come to Cincinnati because it's the safest city. Instead,

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Speaker 3: it's becoming a very dangerous city.

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Speaker 1: Center of the call that was in effect.

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Speaker 2: PNG is grossly expanding its footprint in Mason. They're getting

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Speaker 2: prepared to downsize their facilities. You know Macy's has moved out,

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Speaker 2: is not going to become try to become apartment buildings.

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Speaker 2: Most of the large businesses in Cincinnati have their own

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Speaker 2: police department because they can't trust the city. I am

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Speaker 2: told the chief of police THIJI is about to become

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Speaker 2: the fall guy. She's about to get a copy of

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Speaker 2: the home game. Because the mayor's policies don't work. The

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Speaker 2: mayor did a big news conference. I'm not sure you

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Speaker 2: were there, but the governor was there, the FBI was there,

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Speaker 2: the Department of Treasury was there, the US Marshall was there,

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Speaker 2: County prosecutors there, County sheriff was there, accepting state help

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Speaker 2: that never arrived because the mayor and share along the

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Speaker 2: city manager, it never triggered it by requesting it. And

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Speaker 2: when you look at the memorandum of understanding, it involved

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Speaker 2: two shifts a month having the state involved. And now

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Speaker 2: after yesterday's news conference, it appears the city they finally

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Speaker 2: have said to the county and to the state, we

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Speaker 2: need help get it done. We can't fix the roads.

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Speaker 2: We have potholes everywhere, Bridges are falling down, and the

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Speaker 2: police force does not listen greatly to the chief of police, order,

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Speaker 2: the mayor, order the city manager. That's another complete different issue.

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Speaker 2: We have car break ins. We have more than twenty

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Speaker 2: thousand shots fired every year rattling around Cincinnati. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: have about four hundred people shot. We're gona have about

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Speaker 2: one hundred people murdered. We're gonna have about two thousand

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Speaker 2: cars stolen and about fifteen thousand car break ins. And

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Speaker 2: you know, John, excuse me, senator, Cincinnati is like seven

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Speaker 1: It's small.

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Speaker 2: The public school system has forty six percent of the

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Speaker 2: children are chronically absent, and if you're a black boy,

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Speaker 2: you're chronically absent seventy one percent of the time. On

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Speaker 2: top of all this, we have two thousand kids in

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Speaker 2: foster care. We have a complete meltdown of the institutions,

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Speaker 2: and Corporate America is voting with their moving truck to

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Speaker 2: get out of downtown Cincinnati. What role, if any, could

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Speaker 2: then national Guard play. I know that was a topic

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Speaker 3: Well, Bill, look, you needn't look very far away. Cleveland, Ohio.

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Speaker 3: The governor just sent a special violent crime reduction unit

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Speaker 3: they captured five eight eight felony arrests, six illegal firearms recovered, okay,

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Speaker 3: mass shooting last year. Okay, and and like literally this

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Speaker 3: they captured all of these people who've been terrorized in

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Speaker 3: the community. You can do the same thing in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: It's just that you need to have a mayor and

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Speaker 3: That you can do this with law enforcement. The challenge

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Speaker 3: don't have the ability to arrest people. They can protect,

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Speaker 3: they can arrest people, they can coordinate with law enforcement,

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Speaker 3: and they can clean up the streets. But you've got

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Speaker 3: to have local leaders who will do.

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Speaker 1: This didn't happen.

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Speaker 2: We had this big news conference a month ago, it

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Speaker 2: chief of police looked in the camera and told her

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Speaker 2: she told the news media, and she says, if you're

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Speaker 2: committing crime in Cincinnati, we will confront you.

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Speaker 1: We will confront you.

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Speaker 2: And I'm thinking confront me, and I want someone to

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Speaker 1: We have I will.

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Speaker 3: Arrest you and prosecute you to the fullest extent of

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Speaker 3: the law and get you off of our streets, probably

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Speaker 3: to protect businesses and do the thing that we need

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Speaker 3: to keep people safe. That's what she needs to say.

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Speaker 2: No, we're gonna confront you, and I have, you know,

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Speaker 2: the county corner last meet some markets.

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe they could maybe they could have admonished them to.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna get You're gonna get time out in the corner.

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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, she says, we will confront you.

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Speaker 2: And if I'm a gangbanger with guns and I'm selling drugs,

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Speaker 2: breaking into cars and god knows, burglarizing, I have the

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Speaker 2: confront you. It's like confront We have open air drug use,

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Speaker 2: marijuana frequently being smoked, and I hope the President doesn't

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Speaker 2: do much with that, by the way, because it's gone

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Speaker 2: into the children. We have open air drug markets, we

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Speaker 2: you will be confronted.

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Speaker 1: What why you got me?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: I'm good, Now, I'm good. I'm good.

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Speaker 3: Bill. I talked to some Cincinnati officers recently and I

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Speaker 3: Are they taking the criminals off the street and putting

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Speaker 3: that there's a gas station a corner where there's constantly fights,

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Speaker 3: there's constantly drug deals going on. They arrest, they arrest them,

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Speaker 3: they take them to jail, and when less than twenty

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Speaker 3: four hours, they're back on the streets. So the criminals

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Speaker 3: know that you develop a culture in your city based

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Speaker 3: And once the criminals know that there are no consequences

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Speaker 3: for committing crimes, guess what they commit the crimes And

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Speaker 3: that's the culture that's being developed that needs to be addressed.

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Speaker 2: The Shell station on Central Parkway is the site of

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Speaker 2: and there are no arrests. When I talked to Ken

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Speaker 2: Scottie Johnson and others on city council don't want to

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Speaker 2: go hands on with someone. If you go hands on,

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Speaker 2: you might have an incident, you might have a warrant,

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Speaker 2: you might find out he's got a gun. We don't

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Speaker 2: pull people over for speeding reckless operation because we have

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Speaker 2: speed bumps. The speed bumps take the place more que

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Speaker 2: the speed bumps because the city council doesn't want police

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Speaker 2: to pull somebody over, run their warrants. Okay, you don't

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Speaker 2: have a license, they don't have insurance, their car's not registered,

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Speaker 2: we have speed bumps instead of cops. And on that point,

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Speaker 2: about an hour ago ahead on Judge Josh Berkowitz, who's

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Speaker 2: the presiding judge in Hamley County Municipal Court, he put

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Speaker 2: the cheese on the Cracker. He said, half the judges

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Speaker 2: If you're a judge that the fact is, it needs

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Speaker 2: have nothing to do with crime. But the face in

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati is a black male face. And so if you

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Speaker 2: the judges in Amita County do not sentence anyone to jail.

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Speaker 2: We have another good judge, a friend of mine, Alison

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Speaker 2: Hathaway who released some eighteen and a half year old

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Speaker 2: So what do you do, Senator, If half the judges

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Speaker 2: They want them all along the streets, what do you

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Speaker 3: They got to go to them out. That's what you

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Speaker 3: gotta do with people to do that. Bill is pretty

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Speaker 3: this is pretty simple. It's not the people. We've got

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Speaker 3: to start emphathizing with the victims and not the criminals. Okay,

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Speaker 3: the victims of these crimes are in many cases, people

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Speaker 3: not visitors. There are people who call Cincinnati home, and

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Speaker 3: you're not protecting the innocent people of Cincinnati from the

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Speaker 3: criminals in Cincinnati. And it doesn't take much. You start

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Speaker 3: arresting people for committing crimes and put them in jail,

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Speaker 3: and that will send a message to other people's do

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Speaker 3: not do this. It will act as a deterrent. But

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Speaker 3: right now, if you send the message that if you

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Speaker 3: I wish admonishment and stern warnings were enough in the world.

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Speaker 4: But they're not confrontations. We're going to confront you. We're

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Speaker 2: Before we talk about the government shutdown, two different judges

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Speaker 2: I believe in all those things. Af ted piroval and

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Speaker 1: And the Hamony Counties.

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Speaker 2: You know, right now, Senator Hamilty County is teetering to

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Speaker 3: Bi sorative justice. I mean, that's a nice thing to say.

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Speaker 3: You know, where you restore justice, you get people off

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Speaker 3: That's how you restore somebody. You say, there's a consequence

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Speaker 3: That's that's the way you do restorative justice.

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Speaker 2: Ultimately, Senator, we have the government we deserve and we

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Speaker 1: Give us an update on the shutdown.

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Speaker 3: The Schumer shutdown continues. We're going to vote again today.

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Speaker 3: This will be the ninth time that I will have

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Speaker 3: It's not the American people. It's not about whether our

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Speaker 3: Because it requires sixty votes in the US Senate to

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Speaker 2: As long as it takes. But I hope things change

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Speaker 2: more of the same.

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Speaker 1: Senator John, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, Bill, just just quickly. If you don't protect

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Speaker 2: You know, Senator after a peer of all gives mouth

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Speaker 2: Senator John used to get my best everyone in Washington,

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Speaker 2: and thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, John, Senator, thanks you, Bill, I thank you.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's continue with more. It's up to you.

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Speaker 2: The truth will set you free. Voting for the same

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Speaker 2: anticipating different result as the definition of stupidity. Bill Cunningham

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