1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Worse than smart people who have too much time on 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: their hands and actually aren't really all that smart. That's 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: what you have with these roles committees with the NFL, 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: and I be honest with you, you got too many roles 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: in the NFL. I mean the fact that it takes 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: five minutes or ten minutes to figure out what if 7 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: is it a catch or not? The figure out the 8 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: interpretation of a role. For instance, what game was it? 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: I forget what game it was where? I think it 10 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: was the Steelers and the Lions game that ended on 11 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: some weird interpretation of the role. When you start to 12 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: see these kinds of things, but here's the thing that 13 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: burns my ass, and I'll tell you it does, and 14 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: that is all of these replays and reviews. I hate 15 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: it for every sport and I get it people, well 16 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: you want to get it right, Yeah, you want to 17 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: get it right. But again, and I've always said, replay 18 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: in reviews should be only used to correct an egregious mistake. 19 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: Something that is egregious so easy to see. People say, well, 20 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: what do you mean? Here's what I mean. If you 21 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: can't look at it in slow motion with your digital 22 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: cameras and all the other different angles that you have. 23 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: If you can't look at it in fifteen seconds and 24 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: say that was the wrong call, leave the call alone 25 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: and let's move forward. Replay was never ever meant to be. Okay, 26 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna go and we're gonna look in every single 27 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: angle we can. We're gonna go wide, we're gonna go 28 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: super slow. We're gonna, you know, zoom in and zoom out. 29 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,559 Speaker 1: We're gonna look at it. We're gonna try and figure 30 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: out if, for instance, the uh punt returner's fingernail scrapped 31 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: scraped against one of the threads of the football as 32 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: it was rolling past him. So we're gonna go and 33 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna break it down. Is every which way we 34 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: can take six to seven eight minutes and then come 35 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: back with a conclusion that was never what it was 36 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: supposed to be. Ever it was supposed to be. Okay, 37 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: they said it his finger didn't touch it, so therefore 38 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: you know it's their ball. Let's take a look at it. 39 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: And you take a look at it for about ten 40 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: or fifteen seconds and you say, I don't really see 41 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: anything that jumps off the page, and it says we 42 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: have to overturn this move on. That's what it should be, right, 43 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: it should be. This guy was awarded a touchdown. We 44 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: looked at it for a couple of seconds and guess what, 45 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: it's pretty clear he didn't score. Let's overturn it. So 46 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: it really gets, you know, it really gets under my 47 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 1: skin the fact that there are people who are always 48 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: pushing for more replay, not less. And I'll tell you, 49 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: as bad as it is in football, it's horrific in basketball, 50 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,399 Speaker 1: like the NCAA tournament. I say, the NCAA tournament games 51 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: are great for thirty eight minutes and they're awful for 52 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 1: the last two because the last two it's review, replay, 53 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: timeout FIUL, replay, review, time out, foul. The last two 54 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: minutes take fifteen minutes to play, and a big part 55 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: of it is again the same kind of thing. We're 56 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: going to review this play to see if the you know, 57 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: the dry skin on the cuticle of the guy's finger 58 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 1: touched the basketball before it went out of bounce. I mean, 59 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: it's just ridiculous. So anyway that brings me to the NFL, 60 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: which is now going to find is I apparently they're 61 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: talking about a new way to incorporate reviews and replays 62 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: and make it even more ridiculous. And here it is. 63 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: The NFL is going to discuss post replay flags for 64 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: player safety fiules this offseason, and what would be a 65 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: league first, The NFL is open to discussing throwing flags 66 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: on the field fall showing video review for plays related 67 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: to player health and safety. The league is a minimal 68 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: to those discussions this offseason the Competition Committee, with a 69 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: potential role change coming this spring for a next regular season. 70 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: In other words, plays like face masks, unnecessary roughness, roughing 71 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: the passer, use of helmet, hip drop tackles could all 72 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: be subject to flags being thrown after video review. Now 73 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 1: as of right now, you know they can use the 74 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: replay assists to pick one of those flags up. Well, 75 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: what the hell do you have referees on the field 76 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: for then? And again, if we're going to start why 77 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: stop there? Why stop there? How about every single holding call, 78 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: non holding call, every off side call, every single non 79 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:57,679 Speaker 1: off side call, whatever? Why don't we review every single play? 80 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: Because you know what, they probably can find a penalty 81 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: on any play they want to find. And here's the 82 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: other thing that I don't think the league really understands. 83 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: Every time they add a layer of New York can 84 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: chime in and change something that's going on in the field, 85 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: they lose a little bit of credibility with a lot 86 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: of people. And that's especially true nowadays in the age 87 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: of gambling, in the age where everybody has an app 88 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: on their phone where they can gamble, in the age 89 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: of every single person out there can bet on whatever 90 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: they want to bet on, which means we've got people 91 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: that have action on games. They've never had action, you know, 92 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: the number of people never had action on games before. 93 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: And you can tell by the way that people watch games, 94 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: just go on social media during a big game, how 95 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: many you know, calls and penalties and everything else are 96 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: scrutinized by people, and there's this feeling that well it's 97 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: fixed or they're getting cheated or whatever. It's really basically 98 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: what you do to your leg when you continually find 99 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: ways for the people in New York to chime in 100 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: on what's going on in the game. Like to me, honestly, 101 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: I would like to see, you know, go back to 102 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: a situation of where you cannot overturn a flag and 103 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 1: if you miss the flag, they can't throw it after 104 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: the fact. But if you're going to do it, then 105 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 1: don't be you know, selective with it. Don't be selective 106 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: with it. Don't just say well, we're going to do 107 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:49,239 Speaker 1: it for these player safety fouls. How about every file. 108 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: I mean, if you think about it, okay, think about 109 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: an average game or you know, close your eyes and 110 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: think about five or six games in a row. How 111 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: many plays that affect the outcome of the game are 112 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: going to affect the outcome of a game based on 113 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: a holding call versus based on a face mask. You 114 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: might go five games and not see a face mask called, 115 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: but I guarantee you in that five game, stretcher's going 116 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: to be one, two, three, four, maybe six, seven, eight 117 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: key plays that are affected by a holding call. Well, 118 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: if we're going to go there, well what about passing 119 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: affairance calls? Remember when they were trying to say you 120 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: could challenge those and everything else. It's just one of 121 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: those things where I just don't understand it because at 122 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: the end of the day, I don't know that you're 123 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: making your product better and I don't know that you're 124 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: helping your credibility as a leg People say, well, you 125 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: can't live your life. The appease gamblers well you can't. 126 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: But guess what. Gamblers make up a huge segment of 127 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: the people that watch your leg And if you want 128 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: to have credibility, the way that you do it is 129 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: not by having guys in New York in a smoke 130 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: filled room being able to call down to the field 131 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: and say, let's change this call. That's where I would 132 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: tell you, I draw a line. I draw a line. 133 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: You read this story, it says the concern for this 134 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: is multiful. Multifold consists of two main tenants. First, a 135 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 1: flag could be thrown on nearly every play. Yeah, of 136 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: course it could. To review any given play with the 137 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: possibility of placing a flag on the field is untenable. Secondly, players, coaches, 138 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: and fans all have to believe in the integrity of 139 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: the game. That's what I just got done saying. And 140 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: don't tell me, I don't even care. Even if you're 141 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: not a gambler, if you're a fan of a team, 142 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 1: don't tell me you cringe every city. You don't cringe 143 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: every single time you hear that New York you know 144 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: called in or New York basically overturned something, or New 145 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: York you know whatever the problem. Sorry, that's a problem. 146 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: Replay was never ever, ever supposed to be what it's become. 147 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: And I know there are some people say, well, you 148 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: have to get it right. Here's my thing. If it's 149 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: not egreagious and easy to see how wrong the call is, 150 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: leave it alone. You know, I have no problem if 151 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: you want to review you know, fumbles, you know, interceptions, touchdowns, 152 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: I have no problem if you want to take a 153 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: look at them. But again, if you have to take 154 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: a look at it for more than like thirty seconds, 155 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 1: twenty seconds, leave it whatever it was called on the field, 156 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: because clearly the referee saw what he saw and more 157 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: likely than not got it right. But we're gonna throw 158 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: flags after reviews. I mean to me, I think you're 159 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: gonna just open up a completely different can of worms. 160 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: And again, it's never enough, because sooner or later it 161 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: will be well. We can correct holding calls, we can 162 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: correct off sides. I mean, really, in the grand scheme 163 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: of things, off sides and holding affect a lot more 164 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: plays than face masks, hip drop tackles. I mean, I 165 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: probably watched I don't know, roughly, let's say, you know, 166 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: seventeen weeks, three or three weeks in the playoffs, so 167 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: they say twenty weeks or twenty one weeks, whatever it 168 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: is a football. Oh, let's say I watched you know, 169 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: NFL games somewhere in the neigh road of eighty one 170 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: hundred probably this year, you know, three or four a weekend. 171 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: I don't know that I can recall a single hip 172 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: drop tackle being called. I'm sure there was, but I 173 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: can't think of one. I can think of a bunch 174 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: of games where the holding call or the off sides 175 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: call affected, you know, the affected the outcome of the game, 176 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: or at least the outcome of really key plays. So 177 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: that is a problem. So I feel like it's it's 178 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: one of those things where, you know, the people that 179 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: are the powers that be in the NFL, I don't 180 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: know that they really fully understand what it is that 181 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: they're opening up a can of worms here. For that's 182 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: what I would tell you. It's a problem for me. 183 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: It will always be a problem for me. And it's 184 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: one of those situations where I feel like the NFL 185 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 1: is overthinking this stuff now because just because we have 186 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: the technology, it doesn't mean we have to use it. 187 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: Does It doesn't mean we have to use it. That's 188 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: got a Jebediah and Squirrel Hill. Hi, Jebediah, Hey. 189 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: Is Mark there? 190 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: Mark is not here? 191 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 2: Okay, you called me a bad time, then Paul, I'll 192 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 2: call you back in like twenty minutes. 193 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: Bye bye. I mean, come on, man, come on, man, 194 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: what are we doing? I ain't Seriously, this is what 195 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: I get, you know, here's the here's the thing I 196 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: used to do four hours in the middle of the 197 00:12:55,240 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: night on Saturday nights. You know, nobody listening, nobody calling. 198 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: I'm perfectly comfortable talking to myself. I mean, seriously, if 199 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: that's gonna go to, if that's the level of call 200 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 1: we're going to get, you know, I mean, give me 201 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: a break, will your please? Is Mark there? I mean, haha, 202 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: you got me anyway, I have to laugh first of all. 203 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: I mean, is your name really Jebediah? Come on man? Uh. 204 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: Back to the NFL, though, I think one of the 205 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: things about the NFL is it is the ultimate marketing arm, 206 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: the ultimate in terms of being able to sell itself, 207 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 1: the ultimate in being able to you know, make us 208 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: all convinced that, no matter what they do, it's the 209 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: most important thing in the world. Right. That's the reality 210 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: of the NFL. Case in point in a couple of weeks, 211 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: you'll have a bunch of guys in Indian app List, 212 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: in underwear and T shirts running around, you know, running 213 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: forty yard dashes or whatever. I sixties or forties, whatever 214 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: it is, right forties. I think they run. I can't 215 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: even think right now. I mean, I'm completely off the rails. 216 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: Hang on. They're running, They're they're lifting weights, They're running, 217 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: They're running through drills that are silly, you know, catching 218 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: footballs while running around barrels and stuff. Lifting you know too, 219 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: I think they bench press to twenty five. They're doing 220 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: all this stuff, and then the NFL is going to 221 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: convince us that we have to watch this every single night. 222 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: It's the most important thing ever period. So to me, 223 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: you've got a product like that, you've got to protect it. 224 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: And you know, again, I just think that you hurt 225 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: the integral of your product when you rely so much 226 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: on some centralized, gray behind the scenes figure to roll 227 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: on so many important things. You know, they chime in 228 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: and you basically are at their mercy, and then all 229 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: of the discussion begins about well was this on the 230 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: up and up? Was this fair? Was this? You know, 231 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: that's the problem and I just don't think that you're 232 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: doing yourself any favors either by making more reviews and 233 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: longer periods of time. It just isn't the right way 234 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: to go. You want your games to flow and you 235 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: don't want to completely new or your referees and your officials. 236 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: For the most part, they do a pretty good job. 237 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: I know people complain because there's one or two high 238 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: profile plays every single game it seems like where it 239 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: looks like they get it wrong. But for the most part, 240 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: I think these guys get it right a hell of 241 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: a lot, a hell of a lot more than they 242 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: get it wrong at any right. I'm Paul's Ice, not 243 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: Mark Madden. Jebediah, I'm not Mark Madden. I'm Paul's Ice. 244 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: And of course it is the Mark Madden Show. It 245 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: is one oh five niney X. A little bit of 246 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: news has popped across by the NFL, and listen up 247 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: if you're a Steeler fan, because it obviously affects every 248 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: NFL team in NFL in form clubs today, it's projecting 249 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: its twenty twenty six salary cap to bump up to 250 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: the range of three one hundred and one point two 251 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: million to three hundred and five point seven million per club. 252 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: The salary cap this year was two hundred and seventy 253 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: nine point two million, which means we're looking at about 254 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: twenty three twenty four million dollars more under the salary 255 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: cap for next for twenty twenty six, which means you know, 256 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: there are going to be some opportunity to sign some 257 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:14,479 Speaker 1: people and try and do some things differently in the 258 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: upcoming year. It also means basically what I was talking 259 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: about just in the last segment, the NFL is just 260 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: a monster. It's booming. Business is booming, and no matter 261 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: what they do to their product, they can't seem to 262 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: make it slow down. They just keep growing and growing 263 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: and growing and getting more and more powerful and more 264 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: and more lucrative and everything else. I always say the 265 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: NFL is the greatest marketing arm in the world sports 266 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: marketing arm, and really, if you think about it, they 267 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: they are just on a roll right now. So three hundred, 268 00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: you know, if it gets a three hundred and five 269 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: point seven million team like the Steelers probably has some 270 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 1: flexibility to go on and even add another high priced 271 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: receiver or something like that to get better immediately. And 272 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: there's a lot of teams that already have a ton 273 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: of salary cap space that are gonna try I have 274 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: to try and figure out how to fill it. So there, 275 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 1: there's that. The other the other thing that just came across. 276 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: We have another Pro bowler, Joe Flacco, which I'm surprised 277 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: is the first time of his career. The first time 278 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: in his career, tells you how dumb the Pro Bowl is. 279 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: Though Sador Sanders was named a couple of days ago. 280 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: I mean, guys, basically what's happened is guys were just declining. 281 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna get to a point where they're 282 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: gonna start, uh, they're gonna start like putting backup quarterbacks 283 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: into the Pro Bowl because everybody's declining. So it just 284 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: basically to me amazing if you think about it, in 285 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: many ways. But Joe Flacco has never been to the 286 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl till now. Anyway, I was talking a little 287 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: bit before about the Steelers choice for offensive coordinator. I'm 288 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: not sure exactly where it's at now. It sounds like 289 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: this is a guy they've identified. They're going to bring in, 290 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: Scott Tolzen, and of course everybody gets really excited because 291 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: he's young and because he's worked with, you know, a 292 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: young quarterback this year who Tyler Schoff, who apparently, you know, 293 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: was not supposed to be any good at all, but 294 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: has instead been reasonably competent. And so now everybody's looking 295 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: at this guy. He's thirty eight years old. He was 296 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: a quarterback at Wisconsin. He's worked with Mike McCarthy in 297 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: the past. He you know, played in the NFL for 298 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: a few years. Is he the guy that is sort 299 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: of the next second coming, Like if they bring him in, 300 00:19:54,720 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: he's the offensive coordinator and the McCarthy and four years 301 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: from now McCarthy retires and this guy becomes the head coach. 302 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think we get way, way, way 303 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: too caught up and all that stuff. Anyway, Mark Manson 304 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: one O five ninety X. We are at the point 305 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: of the show on Fridays where we are joined by 306 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: Tim Benns who is jack of all trades and I 307 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: works for the Trivia, he works for iHeart. I think 308 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: he works for Robert Morris, he works for Duquine, he 309 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: works for pretty much everybody that you can think of. 310 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: He's what I would call the hardest man, hardest working 311 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: man in Pittsburgh. Media, and so we will be joined 312 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 1: by Tim Benns here in a few minutes. Momentarily, Okay, Tim, 313 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: are you there? 314 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 2: I got you, Paul, you got me? 315 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got you. Thank you for jumping on man 316 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: and appreciate it. And of course I was trying to 317 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 1: describe you, and I came up with about five or 318 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: six different jobs that you seem to work. And so 319 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 1: when when you're introed, how do you like to be introd? 320 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 2: Tim Benz from trib Live and in this case, iHeartRadio 321 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 2: is fine. Now, I do have a Robert Morris game tonight. 322 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 2: I did have a Duquine game earlier in the week 323 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 2: basketball for Duquine Hockey. Tonight. I think I'm not sure 324 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 2: if the game's over yet. I actually haven't checked the score. 325 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 2: They're playing a women's hockey game outside today at Beaver Stadium, 326 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 2: Penn State and Robert Morris, and then Penn State plays 327 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 2: Michigan State outside tomorrow. The feels like temperature was supposed 328 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 2: to be a degree today at face off. So I 329 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 2: hope everybody enjoyed themselves out there. Gladly I wasn't on 330 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 2: the call for that one. 331 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be really, really brutal to be honest, 332 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: and anyway, h we've been talking all week, obviously about 333 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: the Mike McCarthy higher and everything else, and I would 334 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: tell you that it's amazing how it went from at 335 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 1: first most people hating the hire to him having his 336 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: press conference and you know, flashing a lot of that 337 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: yinser at everyone, and now people have warmed up to 338 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: it. It seems like it's been a complete one pint eighty 339 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: for a lot of people in terms of what they 340 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: think about the hire. 341 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 2: I figured a lot of that would happen. One thing 342 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 2: we're seeing already is a bit of a double standard 343 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 2: that's brewing, and how we're talking about Mike McCarthy's coaching 344 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 2: staff versus how we used to talk about Mike Tomlins 345 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 2: in so far as and I think the criticism was 346 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,479 Speaker 2: justified that we got on Tomlin's back for only hiring 347 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 2: guys who he knew and promoting his buddies and hiring 348 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 2: his cronies. And here I think Mike McCarthy has put 349 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,959 Speaker 2: together a coaching staff through one group text, just scrolled 350 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 2: through his phone and threw together every name he had 351 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 2: worked with the past, or anybody who had a four 352 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 2: point two or seven two four area code boom, there's 353 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 2: your coaching staff. So you know, no one's getting on 354 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 2: his back for that, because oh you hire who you know, 355 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,239 Speaker 2: and this guy has Pittsburgh ties, so that's okay. And 356 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 2: I think you're right, Paul. I do think that there's 357 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 2: been a significant softening of the agitation that took place 358 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 2: after the higher I obviously thought that would happen because 359 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 2: as predicted, as I wrote, he was going to show 360 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 2: up in a blacking gold tie in jacket combination. He 361 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 2: was going to make a couple of references to Greenfield. 362 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 2: Oh I didn't know the Art Rooney, the chief birthday thing. Man. 363 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 2: If I had predicted that, well, I would have been 364 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 2: on the money. I would had a hat trick myself. 365 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 2: But you know, all that stuff was gonna get rolled 366 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 2: out there. He's gonna pull on the Pittsburgh heart strings, 367 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 2: and that's gone a long way so far. That's not 368 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 2: going to matter in the playoffs if he loses a 369 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 2: first round game, it's not gonna matter if he doesn't 370 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 2: get to the playoffs. I think a lot of people 371 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 2: quickly warmed up to Bill Cower when he took over 372 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 2: for Chuck Nole because he was from here. It seemed 373 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 2: to matter. Then, it seemed to matter when he won 374 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 2: his first game against Houston on the War and Williams 375 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 2: fake punt. It seemed to matter when he won the 376 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 2: division that year, and then it didn't matter so much 377 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 2: when he lost the Chargers in ninety four, or when 378 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 2: he couldn't get back to the super Bowl after losing 379 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 2: to the Cowboys, and when they missed the playoffs three 380 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 2: years in a row. It mattered again when they won 381 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 2: the division in one, and it mattered again certainly when 382 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 2: he won a super Bowl. It's funny how that works. 383 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 2: It seems to matter when we wanted to matter that 384 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 2: he's from Pittsburgh, and that will be applied to McCarthy, 385 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 2: I'm sure as well. 386 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's no question that there will be 387 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 1: a little bit more maybe of a honeymoon because of 388 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: his Pittsburgh ties. But I think when you look at 389 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: this fan base, you know, when Mike Tomlin was hired, 390 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: they were a couple of years removed from a super Bowl. 391 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: When Bill Kauer was hired, you know, it was a 392 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: little bit longer removed, but they had won four super 393 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: Bowls in six years and everybody kind of, you know, 394 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: knew that they were probably he gonna have to rebuild 395 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean, this is a fan base 396 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: right now, tim that really has been has not tasted 397 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: a whole lot of success in a long time. So 398 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: I don't know that Mike McCarthy is going to get 399 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 1: that much of a honeymoon. I mean, I think he 400 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: probably has to do something pretty decently significant in the 401 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: first couple of years or they're going to turn on 402 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: him pretty. 403 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 2: Quickly, especially because he was brought here to continue competing. 404 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 2: And I will choose my words cautiously when I described that, 405 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 2: because that's how Art Rooney advanced it. That, you know, 406 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 2: he as he said to us during the press conference 407 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 2: when he announced Mike Tomlin's resignation, said that, you know, 408 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 2: I never see any reason to take a whole year 409 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 2: to try to not compete. I don't see the reason 410 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 2: for that. And it's obvious he's trying to find a 411 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 2: coach who he best things can keep ten and seven 412 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 2: at least ten and seven and on the fringes of 413 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 2: playoff competitiveness. So that was the goal. So if they 414 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 2: do take a step back, if they do fall under 415 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 2: five hundred boy, what a big swing and miss that is. 416 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 2: And I think the other reason that I didn't get 417 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 2: to before about why the coaching hire was met so 418 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 2: poorly at first and why people have sort of gotten 419 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 2: away from criticizing it as much, is Chris Shula and 420 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 2: Nate Schielhouse didn't get jobs. You know, Nate Shielhouse is 421 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 2: not coaching the Cleveland Browns. Now, maybe there was some 422 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 2: merit to the rumor that Shula didn't particularly interview, well, 423 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 2: you know, in a weird way. When the Los Angeles 424 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: RAMS president of operations came out to refute it. I 425 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 2: actually think you've lent it credibility by making excuses on 426 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 2: Shula's behalf about how hard it is to interview during 427 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 2: the playoffs. It was almost lending credibility to report. So 428 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 2: in the week or so that intervened between when we 429 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 2: got to see Mike McCarthy take the podium or when 430 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 2: we went through the rest of the coaching cycle and 431 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 2: those guys didn't get hired. I think that's also softened 432 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 2: things because, well, maybe other choices weren't quite as good, 433 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,360 Speaker 2: and here we are. We'll just take the Pittsburgh guy 434 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 2: that can get us to ten and seven and hope 435 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 2: this time we get lucky and the Texans don't have 436 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 2: a big second half, right. 437 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's you know, a big, big 438 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: part of it is that when you I think. The 439 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: other thing about Chris Shule is I think most people 440 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: didn't know who the hell he was, and then they 441 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: watched the Rams against the Seahawks, they were kind of like, 442 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: I'm not sure I was. 443 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 2: This guy running For a couple of weeks, Paul, actually 444 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 2: like that had been my opinion on Sula going into 445 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 2: the playoffs. You know, there were some games that the 446 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 2: Rams lost or almost lost because the defense wasn't very good, 447 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 2: you know. And I thought he was pretty good against 448 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 2: the Bears until the last scoring drive and then it 449 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 2: got really dicey going into overtime. So I was not 450 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 2: all that impressed with Shula personally. I get the hesitation 451 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 2: on Shieldhouse because he had never called plays. He's only 452 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 2: been the NFL for a couple of years. He's a 453 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 2: basically a route entry guy on an iPad for the Rams. Now, 454 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 2: other good coaches have risen up from that position. I 455 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 2: get it. So there's real reason to think that there's 456 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 2: potential there. But I had more of a problem with 457 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 2: the process than the person, Like you know, this is 458 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 2: a franchise that wound up with Mike Tomlin nineteen years 459 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 2: ago because they looked beyond the obvious and allowed their 460 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 2: doors to be blown off. Well, it's awful ironic here 461 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 2: that they talked to three guys. One of them's from 462 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 2: up the street, the other one used to be an 463 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 2: assistant in house, and the third guy played and coached 464 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 2: in the division. And that's as far as they went 465 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 2: in terms of in person interviews. It felt like an 466 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 2: unnecessarily rough process because I ain't nobody else was going 467 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 2: to hire McCarthy anyway. So that's where I think the 468 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 2: complaints rightfully came from. 469 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: Right I think that, and I think that was that 470 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: was an important distinction. There is the fact that when 471 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: you look at who they brought in for actual interviews, 472 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: it kind of felt like it was inevitable that they 473 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: were going to hire Mike McCarthy, and they just sort 474 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: of did a very lazy for lack of a better 475 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: word search. And you know, again to your point about 476 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: him going out and hiring assistants, I mean, if you 477 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: look at all the guys that he's bringing, I'm not 478 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: sure if there's been a lazier process that we've ever seen, agreed. 479 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 2: I mean, you go back and you know the history 480 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 2: too with Andy whidel Omar Khan and Mike McCarthy, as 481 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 2: well as the fact that I'm sure Art knows McCarthy 482 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 2: a little bit beyond just hey, he happened to be 483 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 2: the coach that beat us in the Super Bowl, the 484 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 2: one time. I think they allowed themselves to have some 485 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 2: bias going into this. I think they allowed themselves to 486 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 2: want him to be the guy. And if he's just 487 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 2: said the right things and showed that he was still 488 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 2: motivated and the Pittsburgh connection meant that much, and he 489 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 2: could explain to them how he could bring along Will 490 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 2: Howard or Ty Simpson or whoever the next quarterback is 491 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 2: going to be. Oh and by the way, I think 492 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 2: I can talk Aaron into saying, if you want me 493 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 2: to do that, which clearly they do. I think that's 494 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 2: all they needed to hear. 495 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's no question. Now you know the 496 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: latest tim and this is what happens is uh, the 497 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: latest assistant, This is Scott Tolzine. They're bringing in and 498 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: you would think you would think that they're bringing in. 499 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: I don't know Bill Walsh entering his prime when they're 500 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: bringing in this guy who is only real credential seems 501 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: to be he played quarterback at Wisconsin, a little bit 502 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: of a backup in the NFL, and you know it 503 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: was an assistant under McCarthy with the Cowboys. Am I 504 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: missing something here? 505 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 2: No? I don't think Yard. I don't think you would 506 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 2: be if you were describing basically the resume for Lunda 507 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 2: Wells or just about anybody else's going to be the 508 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 2: offensive coordinator on a staff where the head coach is 509 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 2: going to call the plays. He's going to have influence 510 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 2: over the offense the way that Tomlin had influence over 511 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 2: the defense. It's just easier to always blame the offensive coordinator, 512 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 2: so this guy will get more heat, whether he deserves 513 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 2: it or not. In fact, it's gonna be a weird 514 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 2: dynamic pall for all of us in Steeler Nation, be 515 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 2: we media members or fans, to not be able to 516 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 2: just bash the offensive coordinator NonStop because it's gonna be 517 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 2: the head coach. When have we ever seen that this 518 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 2: would be a first for most people who have watched 519 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 2: or covered the Steelers, that it's gonna be about the 520 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 2: offensive coordinator and head coach being the same human beings. 521 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 2: That's gonna be weird. It's you know, I don't mind this, Like, 522 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 2: there's plenty of successful guys out there who are head 523 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 2: coaches that call their own plays, Andy Reid and Sean 524 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 2: McVay being two of the most notable. Peyton does it. 525 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 2: There's other guys out there that do it. It's just 526 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 2: that when you do that, you're very much gonna narrow 527 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 2: the window of candidates who's gonna be your offensive coordinator. 528 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 2: Especially again to go back to the point with a 529 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 2: guy like Nate Shieldhouse, who's supposed to be this bright, dynamic, 530 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 2: up and coming offensive mind, and no one seemed to 531 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 2: take him all that seriously because never called plays before. 532 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 2: So you know, it's sort of a self defeating prophecy 533 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 2: at that point. Yeah, I'm working under a great coach 534 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 2: in a great offensive system, but nobody wants to give 535 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 2: me the time of day because I'm not calling the plays. 536 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 2: No other guys that come out from that job that 537 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 2: Shieldhouse has and have gone on to be head coaches. 538 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 2: O'Connell Lafleur. Zach Taylor from the Bengals is another guy. 539 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 2: Who held that gig. But that's because that offense is 540 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 2: successful and advanced. I just think people will look at 541 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 2: this being McCarthy's offense, and whoever has the offensive coordinator 542 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 2: job as a guy who operates underneath it and isn't 543 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 2: necessarily an innovator himself, and that kind of narrows the 544 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 2: pool of who you're gonna get. 545 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you this, Tim, Let's take it one 546 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: step further. And I actually wrote about this a little 547 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: bit in the post because that today they're bringing in 548 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator, right who it sounds like he's going 549 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: to be the guy. And this is the first time 550 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: since before Chuck Nole that we are going to have 551 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator, you know, and that's Patrick Graham under 552 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: the spotlight and whatever. Because the head coach is an 553 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: offensive coach. I mean, Danokawer, Noel Kaher and Tomlin were 554 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: all defensive coordinators. So for the most part, defensive coordinators 555 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: have gotten a little bit of a pass around here 556 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: from the standpoint. Well, it's funny. In the last ten 557 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: to fifteen years, when the defense was good, it was Tomlins. 558 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: When it was bad, it was Keith Butler's or it 559 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: was Tarrell Austin's. But the reality of the situation is, 560 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: for the first time since nineteen sixty nine. Event I 561 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,719 Speaker 1: didn't even go back further than that, but I know 562 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: Noel was a defensive coordinator, Cawr was a defensive coordinator. 563 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: Tom was a defense for the first time since nineteen 564 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: sixty nine, the defensive coordinator is going to be the 565 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: one that will be scrutinized, probably the most, simply because 566 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: he doesn't have the protection of well, the head coach 567 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: is actually the defensive coordinator's kind of a different Like 568 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: you said, it's a different dynamic, isn't. 569 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 2: It It is? I will say this, I guess the 570 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 2: one counter to that is kind of going to the 571 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 2: other direction. There were a lot of defensive coordinators and 572 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 2: defensive coaches here in Pittsburgh, particularly in the nineties, that 573 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 2: even going back to the seventies. Honestly, like what Peerlis 574 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 2: and Carson and then eventually Dom Capers and Dick Lebow 575 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 2: and you know, Marvin Lewis, Like those guys, those last 576 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 2: three guys got head coaching jobs because they were the 577 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 2: Steelers defensive coordinators. So they benefited from it like they 578 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 2: might have gotten scrutiny, but they were scrutinized, and the 579 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 2: jury came out very much on their side, and those 580 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 2: guys were promoted and praised, and you know, Dick Lebou 581 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 2: was sanctified here. You know, and even Mike McCarthy was 582 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 2: still bringing out dom Caper's references during his press conference 583 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 2: when he first saw the three four nineteen ninety two 584 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 2: when it was implemented here. And by the way, this 585 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 2: is a complete sidebar. I don't know how you feel 586 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:05,399 Speaker 2: about that, but I wasn't necessarily happy when I heard that. Yeah, 587 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 2: I just to hear it reference the way he did 588 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 2: with the reference that he had. It's like, I think 589 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 2: the days of trying to bring back the blast Furnace, 590 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 2: Blitzburg Quivering Quake t shirts in the Strip District to 591 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 2: coming gone. Like, I don't think you in the quick 592 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 2: pass game quarterback mobility era dominate with two pincher pass 593 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 2: rushers as much as you used to. And I think 594 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 2: a lot of that has to do with trying to 595 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:34,280 Speaker 2: generate more heat from inside between the tackles as opposed 596 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 2: to constantly trying to beat guys outside the tackle. We've 597 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,720 Speaker 2: seen this, like we've seen TJ. Watt have defensive Player 598 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 2: of the Year seasons from that position, but not have 599 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 2: the defense overall be as good, and frequently it collapses 600 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 2: in December January in the playoffs. So I wasn't exactly 601 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,439 Speaker 2: warm to the cockles of my heart when I heard 602 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 2: the old references, the nostalgia for the Blitzberg days. 603 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 1: No, exactly exactly, that was my whole that was my 604 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: whole thing. When I heard him talking about Don Capers 605 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,760 Speaker 1: and Bill Kauer, I was like, this really is turning 606 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: into a little bit of a disaster. 607 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 2: But that was just me, especially because like the reference 608 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 2: is so datd because how often do we even see 609 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 2: the base of the three for any more, you know, 610 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 2: like the that's part, that's a big part of it. 611 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 2: Even in the time that I started covering the Steelers, 612 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 2: which was one until you know, like I even remember 613 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 2: Coward towards the end of his tenure talking about how 614 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 2: it had morphed and changed and how frequently they were 615 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 2: a nickel and dime. And it certainly became that towards 616 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 2: the back end of Lebo's second tenure here with Tomlin, 617 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 2: that it was not even really all that close to 618 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 2: what they used to tend to run, especially in first 619 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 2: and second down. 620 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: No, there's no question. And like I said, I think 621 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,879 Speaker 1: you know, but I think it's going to be very interesting, uh, tim, 622 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: to see how if the defensive coordinator is going to 623 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: you know, sort of receive the same kind end of 624 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: a scrutiny that the offensive coordinators have, you know, received 625 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: here for the last I don't know, fifty years or 626 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: whatever it's been fifty six years, simply because it's his 627 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: side of the ball, isn't isn't protected by the head coach. 628 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 1: That's gonna be I think one of the most intriguing 629 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 1: sort of storylines to develop is that what happens if 630 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: they come out and the defense is bad. The first 631 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: six eight weeks we could see. 632 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 2: Because he said that line too. That caught my attention. 633 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 2: I don't know if it got yours too, But when 634 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 2: he volunteered that he had never had a top five 635 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,839 Speaker 2: defense but once, and that was the defense that helped 636 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 2: him win the Super Bowl over the Steelers, I thought, geez, 637 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 2: I didn't know that little tidbit, but I appreciate the transparency. 638 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 2: And then I thought to myself, well, that's not good 639 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 2: because I think what he was when he said that. 640 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 2: I think the point he was trying to make was 641 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 2: it's a good defense, and if I bring my offense along, 642 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 2: then that defense will most of the heavy lifting. And 643 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 2: I don't know if he thinks he has a top 644 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 2: five defense, but he does not. I mean, I think 645 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 2: if you looked at points overall defense, run defense, pass defense, 646 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 2: I think the highest ranking they had of those four 647 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 2: major categories was thirteenth. Yeah, so there's a long way 648 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 2: to go for that defense to be a top five unit. 649 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 2: And again, you know, like what he is envisioning, what 650 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,919 Speaker 2: that defense that he had was, you know, at Clay 651 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 2: Matthews on it. It had Charles Woodson on it. You know, 652 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 2: it had star players on it. And this defense is aging, 653 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 2: it's on the down side. And that defense he remembers 654 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 2: again was a Don Caper's defense with Darren Perry and 655 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 2: Kevin Green on the coaching staff. So that's not necessarily 656 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 2: making me optimistic about what we're going to see implemented 657 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 2: here in the year twenty twenty six. 658 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: Well, we'll let you go here, Tim, But I will 659 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 1: say I saw a charge a couple of days ago 660 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: that was sort of trying to make a point, and 661 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 1: it was similar to what you just said. It looked 662 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 1: at all the top quarterbacks and how many times they 663 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: played with a with a top five defense. Brady I 664 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,839 Speaker 1: think in twenty one years played with a top five 665 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: defense like sixteen times. Aaron Rodgers did it twice in 666 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: nineteen seasons. So when you talk about you know, and 667 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 1: Brady's great, I'm not trying to say that, but when 668 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: you talk about super Bowls at Super Bowl champs, I'm 669 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: wondering if Aaron Rodgers had, you know, fourteen more seasons 670 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 1: with a top five defense, would he have had a 671 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,800 Speaker 1: few more Super Bowls. I think the answer probably is yes. 672 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,360 Speaker 2: That especially because there were some of those defenses that 673 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,799 Speaker 2: had rough days for the Packers with McCarthy either late 674 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 2: in the season or in January in the postseason after 675 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 2: that twenty ten victory against Pittsburgh where he and Tomlin 676 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 2: both then started to see their postseason success. 677 00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 1: Wayne, Yeah, well, Tim, I appreciate you taking some time. 678 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 1: I appreciate you jumping on and of course good luck 679 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: at the Robert Morris's hockey game tonight. 680 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 2: Robert morre tonight, Neville Island Island Sports Center against the 681 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 2: best team in their conference. Bentley two games seven o'clock tonight, 682 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 2: seven o'clock tomorrow on Flow Hockey. I don't know if 683 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,239 Speaker 2: we're on Sports at Pittsburgh tonight or not, but check 684 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 2: check your localistics. 685 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 1: All right, Tim, Thank you, sir. You gott it man 686 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: Easton Benz. It's the mark Man Show. One of five 687 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 1: ninety