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Speaker 1: This is the Mark Mannon show. You like it, you

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Speaker 1: love it, you want more of it. And here's what

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Speaker 1: Dad's been said about the hiring of McCarthy, albeit before

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Speaker 1: today's inauguration. I'm sure they feel a lot better about

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Speaker 1: it after what we all saw. Quote Mike McCarthy won't

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Speaker 1: give the Steelers. Excuse me, Mike McCarthy won't save a

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Speaker 1: Steelers team stuck in neutral unquote, the premise being, and

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Speaker 1: I quote again, unless you have a loaded roster, you're

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Speaker 1: wasting your time. Unless you hire one of the game's

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Speaker 1: bright young minds, someone from the Shanahan or McVeigh coaching

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Speaker 1: trees and under fifty years old unquote. And the Steelers

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Speaker 1: didn't hire that, And they don't have a loaded roster.

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Speaker 1: And you got to love this quote. The Steelers are

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Speaker 1: too prideful to rebuild entirely, but they're have to bake.

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Speaker 1: Reloading attempts continue to fail unquote. That's good writing, Dickie.

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Speaker 1: It captured the spirit of the thing. Oh and to conclude, quote,

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Speaker 1: it feels like the Steelers aren't organizations stuck in neutral,

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Speaker 1: spinning their tires through the late January snow on quotes

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Speaker 1: and I repeat Mike McCarthy's a good coach, good resume.

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Speaker 1: But for the Steelers, I remain convinced this is a

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Speaker 1: bad hire, uninspiring, and I guarantee the usual suspects. I

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Speaker 1: mean they wanted to be now they have been won

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Speaker 1: over by what McCarthy said today, but it still is

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Speaker 1: to me uninspiring. And they should have hired Shula or

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Speaker 1: Shelle Haas or a Kubiak and taking a chance and

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Speaker 1: you'll see, you'll see again, like Dad's been said, I

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Speaker 1: don't know how you ignore that Shanahan McVeigh coaching tree,

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Speaker 1: but what do I know? I'm fat And again, so

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Speaker 1: now is the Steelers coach. If you'd like to and

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Speaker 1: give you a reaction to McCarthy's inauguration, we do calls

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Speaker 1: on the fifteens eight three three four one two wxdx.

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Speaker 1: That's eight three to three four one two WDX. Most

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Speaker 1: coaching changes in the NFL, particularly this offseason, aren't really

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Speaker 1: a change. Like Buffalo promoted their offensive coordinator Joe Brady.

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Speaker 1: Nothing will change there. What you're gonna bring back the

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Speaker 1: OC to be the head coach And you think there's

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Speaker 1: gonna be gratuitous change, naw, and change ain't the Atten

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Speaker 1: that's just their douchey ownership scapegoating McDermott's. The McCarthy are

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Speaker 1: Tomlin treading water running it back. Just offensive guys to

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Speaker 1: the defensive guy, but old school. And even though McCarthy's

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Speaker 1: never coached the Steelers before, as he showed today at

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Speaker 1: his auguration, he's very steelery. This hire is being treated

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Speaker 1: like some cataclysmic moment in Pittsburgh history, like the friggin

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Speaker 1: polio vaccine. But it won't cure anything, not even what

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Speaker 1: you'd like it to. And as I said to Tom

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Speaker 1: in the first hour, I think the reason Art went

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Speaker 1: with McCarthy as opposed to one of them young guys

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Speaker 1: like a shield House or a shoeler or one of

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Speaker 1: the Kubiaks. I don't think Art wanted a young guy

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Speaker 1: who would kind of talk down to him about new

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Speaker 1: style methodology, analytics, etc. McCarthy is a yinser, a guy

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Speaker 1: from Greenfield that Art can have a beer with in

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Speaker 1: talk football or whatever expensive drink that Art imbibes. I

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Speaker 1: do think McCarthy's probably a beer guy, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of it. That guy in a little coat. But if

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Speaker 1: you want a comparison, look at the Penguins with Dan

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Speaker 1: Muse muse first time as a head coach in the NHL,

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Speaker 1: But is it a quantum leap, a paradigm shift in

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Speaker 1: Sure is, Harrd McCarthy. That's not changed at all. It's

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Speaker 1: just a different guy. Happened like roughly the same approach,

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Speaker 1: terms of achievements with mws hey, the Penguins may yet

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Speaker 1: Break concludes. What is that? I think at seventeen games

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Speaker 1: Penguins and you can't deny the change. That's how you

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Speaker 1: He's just not the right higher. He's a good coach,

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Speaker 1: he's just not the right higher. And I'm going to

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Speaker 1: all bought into that inauguration. But I say again, and

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Speaker 1: talking about the Brian Ross suspense. If just tuning in,

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Speaker 1: could tell he was seething, Like, you know, bald guys

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Speaker 1: of that with Muse. Yeah, we got one bald coach,

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Speaker 1: one fat coach. Donnie Kelly. He's from Leibow. He's cool.

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Speaker 1: inferior to the people who who run crap around Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: But it's just a decision to suspend Russ for three games.

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Speaker 1: I'm like Yoey pointed out on Twitter. Jacob Truber, who's

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Speaker 1: never been suspended for three games. That's Canadian idiots running

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Speaker 1: hockey as if it's tough, not skilled, and rewarding tough

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Speaker 1: guys because that's the way they play the game. But

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Speaker 1: Brian Russ does it all. He doesn't ever, So who's

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Speaker 1: he think he is? That's a cheap shot and that

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent rights. Okay, get your calls in, calls

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about McCarthy's inauguration, I'm sure with the assembled

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Speaker 1: I like. Because Pierre Maguire's going to join me to

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Speaker 1: far away.

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Speaker 4: What do you put any stock in the fact that

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Speaker 4: Do you put any stock in that?

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Speaker 1: You know? That's something I hadn't pondered, but maybe I

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Speaker 1: should now. Uh, there were only two players today attending

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Speaker 1: Not me, but guys like Mike de Fabo. Maybe to

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Speaker 4: And also does Art Rooney keep doing things kind of

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Speaker 5: He can handle things. He's smiles.

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Speaker 1: Isn't unconventional. This is as conventional as it gets, Brod.

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Speaker 1: He hired a sixty two year old, fat white bartender

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Speaker 1: and he's gonna do things the way Tomlin did in

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Speaker 1: terms of old school, just on a different side of

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Speaker 1: the ball. Could not possibly be more conventional. Let's go

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Speaker 3: Wow, what up?

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Speaker 3: Hey?

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Speaker 4: So uh, I'm just curious of what your thoughts on

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Speaker 4: Will Howard.

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Speaker 3: Everyone's talking about him like he's chopped liver.

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Speaker 1: But I'm looking at a.

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Speaker 3: Side by side of him and Mendoza in their senior year.

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Speaker 4: Mendoza is gonna go one on one to the Raiders

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Speaker 4: this year. Heis and winner.

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Speaker 1: So let me let me just cut you off. If

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Speaker 1: Will Howard and Mendoza are in any remote way comparable

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Speaker 1: and you know how I know that one got draft

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Speaker 1: first overall. Like you said, okay, it's not about what

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Speaker 1: each accomplished with his team. Howard is with an Ohio

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Speaker 1: State team that was foolproof, could not have lost. Did

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Speaker 1: go ahead and believe that. But to compare to Mendoz

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Speaker 1: is just insulting my intelligence and insulting Mendoza anything else.

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Speaker 1: You just got to look at the stats, Mark, they're

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Speaker 1: almost identically yet identical. F you get the frig out

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Speaker 1: of here, you idiot. Let's go to Phil. Fill your

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Speaker 2: I don't know what I can follow that Mark. So

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Speaker 2: talking about McCarthy, you know he got fired with Prime

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. Then he went to Dallas, which you know,

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Speaker 2: say what you will about Dak. He's still a you know,

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Speaker 2: if you look at the stats, he's great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's not a I'm not going to entertain

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Speaker 1: the idea of Will Howard. I would start Will Howard

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Speaker 1: to go three and fourteen. That idiot who just called

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Speaker 1: as Mendoza. But but uh, in terms, McCarthy's a good coach,

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Speaker 1: he's just a bad hire for this team. It's not

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Speaker 1: moving forward. There's never been an organization in the history

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Speaker 1: to rip the band aid often and yeah, maybe burn

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Speaker 1: it down to the studs, even like Greenberg said today

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Speaker 1: on ESPN that it's time for the Steelers to rip

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Speaker 1: it down to the studs. And instead they're getting as

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Speaker 1: close as they can to status quo after Tom Win

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Speaker 1: it back with Tomlin. He wanted him to come back.

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Speaker 5: Finish middle draft, middle state middle.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Zach Zach are on with double M. Hey, Mark, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm just wondering.

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Speaker 2: I keep hearing you say, everyone's eating up.

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Speaker 3: This McCarthy hire and think that it's going to fix anything.

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Speaker 2: Most of the things that I've seen have been negative

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Speaker 2: about him, and it doesn't seem like many people really believe.

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Speaker 1: In Yeah, but where are you looking? Where are you

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Speaker 4: I honestly, I'm not that people. Aren't you negative stuff?

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Speaker 1: Where are you looking? Where are you seeing that? Answer

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Speaker 1: the question?

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Speaker 5: The internet?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Internet's the dumb minority in this case. They

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Speaker 5: Mark, is this true that they signed McCarty for five years?

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Speaker 1: Guess what Discover six you're talking to the super.

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Speaker 1: he's done it all in the Great Game. He is

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Speaker 1: our good friend. Pierre McGuire, Pierre uh Some. I don't

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Speaker 3: I didn't think you got three games either. I just,

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Speaker 3: Skinner was a great acquisition. We talked about him coming

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Speaker 1: I agree with all that, Pier, but I want to

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Pierre Maguire, he's broadcast by Always Safe

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Speaker 3: get up and wheel, which is really good. And the

431
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Speaker 3: fact that he had some reps playing down in Nashville

432
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Speaker 3: didn't hurt him because he was watching guys like Philip

433
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Speaker 3: Forsburg plays, watching guys like Ryan O'Reilly play. He's learning

434
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Speaker 3: from really good players how to play at the NHL level.

435
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Speaker 3: And I think Getting Maffols said it best he wanted

436
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Speaker 3: to play with Thenovak. He wanted Novak on his line.

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Speaker 3: And I think when you have players that want to

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Speaker 3: play together again speaking to your previous point about the

439
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Speaker 3: lines that are working all together, that works. And then finally,

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Speaker 3: I think the mentorship aspect Malcolm and China coov is huge.

441
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Speaker 3: I really do. I think Gino's taking this as a mission.

442
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Speaker 3: And you can see the way Tina Coop playing. I

443
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Speaker 3: know when they got him. I told you Mark the

444
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Speaker 3: thing about this guys. He can actually rip the puck.

445
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Speaker 3: He he was a very underappreciated shooter in Columbus. He

446
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Speaker 3: won't be in Pittsburgh. And that's what's happening.

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Speaker 1: Right now now. The last time the Penguins had injuries

448
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Speaker 1: shake up their forward lines, Dan, you switched up three

449
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Speaker 1: of the lines, only left the fourth line alone. Now,

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Speaker 1: with Russ suspended, you think he's learned from that. Will

451
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Speaker 1: he just like pop in Hayes on the Crosby line

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Speaker 1: or do you think he'll scramble things again.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he's gonna scramble things again. I think

454
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Speaker 3: he probably learned a little bit. We'll see what they

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Speaker 3: actually decided to do as a management team and let

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Speaker 3: me just give one more valutation. You know, I think

457
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Speaker 3: management in Pittsburgh he's not getting nearly enough credit right now.

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Speaker 3: Outside of the market. I think in the market they're

459
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Speaker 3: getting a good amount of credit. But I don't think

460
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Speaker 3: Kyle doing this, or Jason Spetzer, the Amateur Scouts or

461
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 3: the NHL Pro Scouts are getting enough credit there in Pittsburgh.

462
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Speaker 3: You look at the acquisitions. You can go to Brazil,

463
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Speaker 3: you can go to Manthy, you can go to Tina cop,

464
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Speaker 3: go to Novak. You can look at the amateur draft

465
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Speaker 3: with Kim the eleventh overall, Watherspoon, Kulak, all these got

466
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Speaker 3: counter cliff and these were really good proctositions. Then you

467
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Speaker 3: talk about Stuart Skinny, you look at Archers she lost.

468
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Speaker 3: They've done a fantastic job reidentifying what they needed as

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Speaker 3: a group and it's made that's so much better as

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Speaker 3: an organization. And so I think, quite frankly, they're not

471
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Speaker 3: going to mess around too much. And I think they're

472
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Speaker 3: getting to the point like San Jose, when the San

473
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Speaker 3: Jose went out and made a trademark as a reward

474
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Speaker 3: for their players by going out and getting Keith for Sherwood,

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Speaker 3: I would not be surprised to see some form of trade,

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Speaker 3: not taking somebody off the roster, but some form of

477
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Speaker 3: trade to make the Penguins better going forward, because they

478
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Speaker 3: have a legitimate chance to really compete this year.

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Speaker 1: Well in that vein, Pierre Dallas reportedly might trade Jason

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Speaker 1: Robertson because of camp problems. Is the Penguins getting him

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Speaker 1: even a remote possibility, because boy, he would help. You'd

482
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Speaker 1: have to give up a lot, But to get a

483
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Speaker 1: twenty six year old star in his prime, those opportunities

484
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Speaker 1: don't come along very often.

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Speaker 3: They don't and when you look at it, they have

486
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Speaker 3: more than enough young firepower, which is probably what Dallas

487
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Speaker 3: wants right now. So I wouldn't be surprised if they're

488
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Speaker 3: in the discussion. I just don't know if they're prepared

489
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Speaker 3: to do as much as maybe what Dallas wants. We're

490
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Speaker 3: gonna see, this is gonna be a really interesting time

491
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Speaker 3: going into the Olympic break. Obviously there's gonna be a

492
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Speaker 3: roster freeze, and then you come out of the Olympic

493
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Speaker 3: break and then you've got time until the trade deadline.

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Speaker 3: But I think a lot of teams that based on

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Speaker 3: the conversations I've had with some people, Mark, A lot

496
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Speaker 3: of teams are trying to get their business done early

497
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Speaker 3: so they can solidify their roster going in the last

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Speaker 3: couple of months for the playoff push.

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Speaker 1: Pierre, I figured to make the playoffs. The Penguin's gonna

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Speaker 1: finish second or third in the Metro. They're not gonna

501
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Speaker 1: catch Carolina right now. They're second in the division, and

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Speaker 1: I think both wild cards are gonna come from the

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Speaker 1: Atlantic Division. But the Penguins do finish second or third,

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Speaker 1: that not only makes the playoffs. I think they could

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Speaker 1: win a playoff series. How about you?

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Speaker 3: Oh, I think so too. Again, it comes down to

507
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 3: if they make the right move. I think the rosters

508
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 3: just a little short, maybe in certain position. Probably if

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Speaker 3: you were to ask me, it's probably means just a

510
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 3: little bit more upfront, but not so much in terms

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Speaker 3: of the offense, in terms of just the grit, the

512
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Speaker 3: grind faster factor, which I think they can do. But

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Speaker 3: I do think they can win a playoff series. And

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Speaker 3: let's be fair, the Metro is not a particularly good division,

515
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Speaker 3: and I do agree with you. I said it before

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Speaker 3: the season, I'll say it again. I thought there'd be

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Speaker 3: five teams from the Atlantic, just like they were last

518
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Speaker 3: year in the playoffs, and I do the same thing

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Speaker 3: will happen this year, Pierre.

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Speaker 1: I want to point out that the Penguins are validating

521
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: your words of wisdom that you preach all the time.

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Speaker 1: They are top five in both the p K and

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Speaker 1: power play. Only team in the league that is, and

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Speaker 1: they're number seven in goal differential. That adds up, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: It does. It's a huge part of it. I know

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Speaker 3: everybody's into the fancy stats and all the numbers and

527
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 3: expecting this and high danger that and all these things.

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Speaker 3: There's really tried and tested formulas at work. One is

529
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Speaker 3: add up the power play and penalty kill percentages and

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00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 3: that will give you a special teams quot. That comment

531
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Speaker 3: was created by Scottie Mohman years and years and years ago.

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Speaker 3: It didn't share it with too many people, but it

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Speaker 3: does work. You have to be over one hundred and

534
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Speaker 3: five if you want to win the Cup. You got

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Speaker 3: to be one oh five or higher. If you combine

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Speaker 3: the two and then goal differential really matters a time

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Speaker 3: because it tells you the consistency of your play night

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Speaker 3: in and night out, and obviously you want to be

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Speaker 3: a positive goal differential, and I think Dan using the

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Speaker 3: staff have done a really good job. They should be commended.

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Speaker 3: They really should be.

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Speaker 1: Pierre. One last thing about the possibility of a trade,

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Speaker 1: and we talked about Jason Robertson, which I think is

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Speaker 1: a doubtful, but b would be an absolute blockbuster. You

545
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Speaker 1: were an assistant coach with the Penguins in ninety two

546
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Speaker 1: when they made that three deal that sent Recky and

547
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Speaker 1: Coffee away and brought in Talcket Sheel, Samuisson and Kenny Reagan.

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Speaker 1: That was a difficult trade for the GM Craig Patrick

549
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Speaker 1: to make on every level in the locker room, you know,

550
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Speaker 1: parting with guys who would help you want a Stanley

551
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Speaker 1: Cup two halls of Famer. But he didn't flinch talk

552
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Speaker 1: about that because a lot of guys would flinch, wouldn't they.

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Speaker 3: They would definitely flinch. So what happened was there was

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Speaker 3: a meeting at Craig's office and I remember like it

555
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Speaker 3: was yesterday. We knocked on the door of Michelle Coleiani,

556
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Speaker 3: who was Craig's assistant at the time, let us in,

557
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 3: and in walk Barry Smith, another assistant coach, Rick kee O,

558
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Speaker 3: myself Creig Patrick, Gotty Bowman and Rick Patterson that were

559
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Speaker 3: headed pro scouting at the time, and everybody was kind

560
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Speaker 3: of an agreement except Scott. He asked one key question

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Speaker 3: to Craig, and the key question was, if we trade

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Speaker 3: coffee and wrecky in the same deal, especially to a

563
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Speaker 3: rival like Philadelphia, are we gonna be okay if we

564
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Speaker 3: aren't successful. We the pr part of it in town

565
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Speaker 3: and Craig said, let me worry about that. If you

566
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Speaker 3: guys think this is the best hockey deal, do it,

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Speaker 3: we'll do it. And that's exactly how Craig framed it,

568
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Speaker 3: and the rest is history. It was done really well,

569
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Speaker 3: but Scotty posed the question because he wanted to be

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Speaker 3: loyal to Craig Patrick, and Craig said, don't you worry

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Speaker 3: about that. Let me worry about it, and that's how

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Speaker 3: it went down.

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Speaker 1: And part of it is Mario could have ky washed it.

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Speaker 1: His opinion meant a lot, but he didn't because he

575
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Speaker 1: knew what taka could mean, especially on his line.

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Speaker 3: Well, so you've touched on something that's really important. That

577
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Speaker 3: entire year, we wanted to make sure that Kevin Stevens

578
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Speaker 3: didn't have to play it all the time, we wanted

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Speaker 3: to make sure that Ronnie and Yarner and Joy Mullen

580
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Speaker 3: were protected, and more than anything else, we kind of

581
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 3: felt that if we were going to go deep, we're

582
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Speaker 3: going to probably have to go through Boston, especially in

583
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Speaker 3: Boston Garden, and if we didn't have artillery for that

584
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Speaker 3: n Washington, which we probably were gonna have to play again,

585
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Speaker 3: we were going to be in trouble. So Shell it's

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00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 3: perfect for that, and so was Rick and that's one

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Speaker 3: of the reams of major reason why it happens. So

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00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 3: you're spot on with that much.

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Speaker 1: Finally, Pierre, next week is going to be very exciting

590
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Speaker 1: when you join me because it's going to be our

591
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Speaker 1: Olympic preview, which we've been looking forward to for so long,

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Speaker 1: both the Olympics and you talking about it. But I

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Speaker 1: got to tell you, I don't like the US team,

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Speaker 1: and I like it even less now that Seth Jones

595
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: got hurt and they still didn't add Lane Hudson. It's

596
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: like they're going against the grain of what international hockey

597
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: is speed and skill, just to prove their rights.

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Speaker 3: And not only that, think about it, because the games

599
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 3: are going to probably be close when overtime happens. It's

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00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 3: not five on five, it's three on three. One of

601
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 3: the best overtime scores in the National Hockey League this

602
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Speaker 3: year is Cole Kaffield. He's not on the team either,

603
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Speaker 3: and that's heartbreaking to me. Cole's having he had a

604
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 3: hat trick the other night in Boston, in Montreal place

605
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Speaker 3: tonight against Vegas in Montreal and Hudson your spot on.

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Speaker 3: I still don't understand why. I do understand it. I'll

607
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 3: tell you in the Coles Notes version Cole and Cole

608
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 3: Hudson and Lane Hudson a whole copy of excuse me

609
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 3: and Layane Hudson did not go to the World Championships

610
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Speaker 3: last year. The Americans won the gold medal. USA Hockey

611
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 3: wasn't happy about that, even though they didn't win the goal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's nothing to do with this.

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Speaker 3: I understand. But it's the same management group and said,

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Speaker 3: I'm happy about it, and that's part of why. That's

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Speaker 3: part of why neither players going.

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Speaker 1: Pierre has always fantastic stuff. Enjoy the hockey. Get psyched

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Speaker 1: up next week for the Olympic preview and we'll do

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Speaker 1: it again.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to get off there with you.

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Speaker 5: My friend.

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Speaker 3: Thanks a lot, Take care

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