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Speaker 1: What n k f a n dot com? Who is that?

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Speaker 1: Play that one again?

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Speaker 1: Play it one more time? What I don't think I

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Speaker 1: can identify is that castle House? What am I supposed

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess it is. That's when did you capture

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Speaker 1: that one? It's a good one.

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Speaker 3: October thirtieth, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Seriously, it goes back that far. But is it just

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Speaker 1: recently captured or have you had that all along? It's

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Speaker 1: it's in the It's in the systancy file. So is

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Speaker 1: that a Is that a from us? Or is that

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Speaker 1: a power trip one? Use?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's from you from okay, clips by the Power

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Speaker 1: I don't remember that one. That's a that's a goodie.

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Speaker 1: I'll go with two minutes forty nine seconds past the

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Speaker 1: hour three o'clock Central Standard Time, Bumber Bumper Show is

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Speaker 1: on the I think it's a full three and a

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Speaker 1: half hour program today. Brett Blake Moore is in that chair.

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Speaker 1: The host of the program is a former instate retch

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Speaker 1: newspaper The Twin Cities. My name is Dan Barrero. Guardzi

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Speaker 1: is I think in Lawrence, Kansas go for women taking

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Speaker 1: on KU. I think we got that established yesterday. K You,

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Speaker 1: even though apparently there's signs on campus that also say

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Speaker 1: University of Kansas, So perhaps they very intentionally want to

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Speaker 1: confuse people or just have the versatility where either will

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Speaker 1: be accepted. University of Indiana is not accepted. I've had

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Speaker 1: to teach people that and remind them of that because

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Speaker 1: this year people are actually talking about Indiana University because

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Speaker 1: of the state of the football program. Not familiar with

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Speaker 1: that state. Certainly when I was there was not quite

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Speaker 1: as good. But that's where we are now, and there's

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Speaker 1: still a lot of people who want to call it

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Speaker 1: the University of Indiana. It's not. It's Ius. They put

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Speaker 1: those letters together and the I comes first. So let's

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Speaker 1: just I'm hoping. I think Glenn Mason, our in studio

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Speaker 1: talk more Hoosiers with him. We'll talk Golden Gophers with him.

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Speaker 1: Big game this weekend at Northwestern University. In addition to

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Speaker 1: Mace between four and five, we've got Kessler and studio

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Speaker 1: what five point thirty and coming up next segment by phone.

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Speaker 1: We have Tom Crean, who now, of course has become

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Speaker 1: a big time analyst on many Minnesota Timberwolves TV broadcast

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Speaker 1: and has been a friend of the show for for

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Speaker 1: quite some time. So Crean will join us in about

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Speaker 1: ten minutes or so. It's on now, most of you,

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Speaker 1: I think, I'm sure, no, I'm sure there's been a

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Speaker 1: lot of conversation about it today, that there's been an

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Speaker 1: interesting exchange that in all exchange is the wrong term.

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Speaker 1: I guess I should just lay it out in the

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Speaker 1: order in which things happened if you have not actually

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Speaker 1: been been paying attention. Chris Carter, who joined us Monday,

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Speaker 1: had offered up a kind of snarky response to I

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Speaker 1: and Chris Carter, who was at the game, responded with

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Speaker 1: the story. A JJ quarterback whisperer who came along long before,

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Speaker 1: it's got to be cleaned up a little bit. Holcombe's

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Speaker 1: him as a bleeping clown in response to his comments

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Speaker 1: I was asked to remove the letter from social media,

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Speaker 1: I texted CC and I said, do you want to

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Speaker 1: That's not your job. You should have a little bit

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Speaker 1: He loves when battles are going on through the media

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Speaker 1: Teachers all right, it is indeed time to catch up

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Speaker 1: with our old friend Tom Crean, former college basketball coach

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Speaker 1: now big time college basketball and pro basketball analyst as

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Speaker 1: the Connectico Water Systems hotline. You got out just in

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Speaker 2: I'm back in Florida. That was actually a little cold

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Speaker 2: I do love going back to Florida.

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Speaker 1: You know, let's stick with Anthony for a second, because

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Speaker 2: I think Dante started to play better when Anthony was out.

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Speaker 2: the three Minnesota games. So like tomorrow night, I'll do

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Speaker 2: Milwaukee from my home studios and now I'll start doing

432
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Speaker 2: games remotely, and then I think my next early December

433
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Speaker 2: of my next Timberwolves games, but they'll be from here.

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Speaker 2: That's great, so hopefully there'll be more trips up there.

435
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Speaker 2: Originally with this was set up to do them remotely,

436
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Speaker 2: the initial trips up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, so I know you still got a lot

438
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Speaker 1: of whether you're doing them here in your studio, you

439
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Speaker 1: got more a lot more games to do it. I

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Speaker 1: didn't realize you're doing the Bucks probably fun as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, came up after we talked last.

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Speaker 1: That's all good.

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Speaker 2: I'll do a Bucks game tomorrow night and Saturday, and

444
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Speaker 2: then ESPN. I have a contract with NBC, so Unfortunately

445
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Speaker 2: I wish, I wish my stuff was over spread over

446
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 2: twelve months A year like coaching. Not so it's int

447
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 2: going to be a mad dad, but I'm excited for it. Yeah,

448
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: I know, you learned so much it's unbelievable. Well, and

449
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Speaker 2: you believe what I'm learning about the NBA.

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Speaker 1: You got, you got a lot. You got a lot

451
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Speaker 1: to offer too. That and that versatility speaks well for

452
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Speaker 1: you as well, whether we're talking about college or pros.

453
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Speaker 1: I wanted to broaden it out because a name that

454
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Speaker 1: is already coming up, not necessarily for here, but it's

455
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Speaker 1: going to come up any place where there might be

456
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Speaker 1: a perception that there's a need for some help at

457
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Speaker 1: point guard is John Morant, obviously, and I'm fascinated by

458
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Speaker 1: what he represents because we all know how ridiculously explosive

459
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Speaker 1: at his best he can be and was at one point.

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Speaker 1: We also know some of the other history that's gotten

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Speaker 1: in the way we've seen what's happened early this season

462
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Speaker 1: as well, and in general, I don't know if you

463
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Speaker 1: want to speak to job directly or even more generally philosophically,

464
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Speaker 1: the ongoing debate for personnel managers, for general managers, for

465
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Speaker 1: coaches when it comes to the idea of you know,

466
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Speaker 1: balancing out talent and what you think if we get them,

467
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Speaker 1: what we could do with him, you know, get them

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Speaker 1: in a different environment and everything's going to be perfect.

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Speaker 1: And you balance that with but wait a minute, what

470
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Speaker 1: are we what are we setting ourselves up for? How

471
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Speaker 1: dangerous is of a situation?

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Speaker 2: Is this?

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Speaker 1: Given his past? So how do you do that balancing

474
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Speaker 1: act when it comes to because you know, talent is

475
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Speaker 1: always going to get it, or not always, but most

476
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Speaker 1: of the time he is going to get another chance,

477
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Speaker 1: sometimes three four five chances.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's he's playing like an enigma right now

479
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 2: because there's it's it's really hard to figure out. Obviously

480
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Speaker 2: it's hurt right now, but I mean it's really hard

481
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Speaker 2: to figure out where the mindset is because when I

482
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Speaker 2: watch him play, I see a guy he's never been

483
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Speaker 2: shorter on his jump shots than what he's been early

484
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Speaker 2: after season, now playing with great frustration and now again

485
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Speaker 2: he's not I wouldn't say he's playing selfish because there

486
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Speaker 2: was a situation a few games ago where he made

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Speaker 2: it pass. It was a turnover. You know, he had

488
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Speaker 2: some maybe some body language with that. But then he

489
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Speaker 2: comes right back down and he delivers two assists. So

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Speaker 2: it's not like he's hunting forced shots. You just don't

491
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Speaker 2: look like they're going in. And answer to your question

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Speaker 2: on the bigger picture, I've talked with Anthony before over

493
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Speaker 2: years about, you know, ideas on different players and things

494
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 2: like that when things that come up. I did not

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Speaker 2: bring up anything about this one to him or having

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Speaker 2: at all, and didn't see any of the it's not

497
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Speaker 2: like there's anybody there. I'm going to ask that question

498
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Speaker 2: up in Minnesota. My opinion of that is this, anybody

499
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Speaker 2: playing in an environment with Anthony is going to automatically

500
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Speaker 2: go up energy wise, confidence wise, having fun wise exponentially

501
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 2: if they're there right. So, like Job, we know he

502
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Speaker 2: has that any he'd be my biggest question for the

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Speaker 2: tim wolves you've got. I wouldn't move nas Reed. I

504
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Speaker 2: know that I wouldn't want to. I wouldn't want to

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Speaker 2: move some of these guys that you've got that are

506
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Speaker 2: inside of this program. I mean, and maybe you know

507
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 2: people obviously get paid to make those decisions and look

508
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 2: at the numbers and things like that, but you've got

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Speaker 2: a chemistry. I certainly wouldn't move Jade McDaniels. I mean,

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Speaker 2: there's there's no way I mean it would it would

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Speaker 2: take something stellar, which I don't think that is. This

512
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Speaker 2: is just my opinion, and I hope this is not

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Speaker 2: being on behalf of anybody, but my opinion, I wouldn't

514
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Speaker 2: move any of that group to get somebody else in there,

515
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: whether it's Jaw or maybe other players that are like him. Now,

516
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 2: there's some other superstars you could get someday for that,

517
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 2: that's another story, sure, But there's a chemistry in there.

518
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Speaker 2: Anthony loves playing with those guys, they love playing with him.

519
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 2: And one of the hardest things to get in the NBA.

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Speaker 2: And you know this, and your listeners know this. It

521
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Speaker 2: is to get synergy, it is to get chemistry. It

522
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Speaker 2: is to get people that really enjoy playing with each other.

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Speaker 2: And here's the problem. The best team in the West

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Speaker 2: right now is an obvious sign of a team that

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Speaker 2: does that. Like, those guys really play well together, right,

526
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Speaker 2: Like they compliment each other so well. And so you're

527
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Speaker 2: not just playing against a talented Oklahoma City team. And

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they have their issues and things like that too,

529
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Speaker 2: but it looks like they get over them quick. The

530
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Speaker 2: thing with Oklahoma City, you're playing a team that is

531
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Speaker 2: tremendously together, and so if you're going to challenge to

532
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Speaker 2: win it all, yeah, you gotta have talent, but you

533
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: better have some real synergy in chemistry. Now that doesn't

534
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Speaker 2: mean that the Timberwolves couldn't make a move for somebody,

535
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Speaker 2: but I'm not sure that I would be messing with

536
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Speaker 2: that core of that young group. And why would anybody,

537
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Speaker 2: Why would somebody not want to trade for somebody in

538
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Speaker 2: that core because they see it too. They see It's

539
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Speaker 2: crazy how many I didn't realize how many NBA personnel,

540
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 2: assistant GM scouts people like that get there so early

541
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Speaker 2: for the games. And I knew scouts got early to

542
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Speaker 2: the college games. They mean, it's the same way in

543
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: the NBA. There's so many people there evaluating the games,

544
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Speaker 2: the teams, the players, the early warm ups. I mean

545
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Speaker 2: we're talking about the guys that come out first to

546
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Speaker 2: and a half hours before the game. You might have

547
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Speaker 2: half a dozen to eight NBA teams personnel sit in

548
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 2: there watching note. So they're always evaluating everything. And I

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Speaker 2: just I love where the tim Worlds are going with this.

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Speaker 2: I really do.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like you're saying because one of the things

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Speaker 1: have come up, whether it's about Joab or any other

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Speaker 1: guy who's identified as a guy who has the ball

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Speaker 1: in his hands a lot. The question I would get

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Speaker 1: via text is, well, wait a minute, now, you got

556
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Speaker 1: you know, the ant's got to have the ball decent amount.

557
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Speaker 1: Randall's got to have the ball decent amount. So would

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Speaker 1: there even be room for another guy who needs the

559
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Speaker 1: ball a lot? Even if he is he would add,

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Speaker 1: you know, another layer to the talent level. Would that

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Speaker 1: part of it concern you or do you have enough

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Speaker 1: faith in certainly Edward's ability to figure that thing out

563
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Speaker 1: where you don't think that'd be an issue.

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Speaker 2: No, I look at it differently. Yeah, I don't look

565
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Speaker 2: at it now now. Selfishness is another store true that

566
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Speaker 2: people that want the ball, but they can also have

567
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: proven they can play without it. And that's why the

568
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 2: catch and shoot is such an incredibly valuable thing, because

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Speaker 2: not only you get to catch and shoot, which you

570
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Speaker 2: create the long clothes out and now you're keeping the

571
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Speaker 2: game going, you're driving the paint. I think the harder

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Speaker 2: part for anybody in that situation is your bigs, and

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Speaker 2: that's where it's been an adjustment. Obviously over time, they're

574
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Speaker 2: still always working on it. When you have Rudy, you

575
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Speaker 2: have to keep making sure you're utilizing him. But at

576
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Speaker 2: the same time, there's enough space to get into the paint, right,

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Speaker 2: And I mean, look at Jokic the other night. Jokic

578
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Speaker 2: just kept stepping outside more like obviously he runs the floor,

579
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Speaker 2: gets in the paint to deliver the ball, but he's

580
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Speaker 2: also stepping outside to shoot threes. Well, that's not what

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Speaker 2: Rudy's going to do, right, Rudy's not going to step

582
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Speaker 2: outside and pull you out like Jokic does and be

583
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Speaker 2: a threat. So like you're always when your fives are

584
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Speaker 2: not and au Julius is different when he's playing the

585
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Speaker 2: five or nots, but when your fives are not shooters

586
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: in modern day MBA, the space is always up for

587
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: grabs and you have to keep looking for ways to

588
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: get that space to open up the paint. And it

589
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: was almost interesting last night watching Utah play the Lakers,

590
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: But I didn't realize Lebron was back. He was so

591
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: open last time last night at times for threes or

592
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: for long close out drives and getting to the paint

593
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 2: because there was so much attention paid to Luca and

594
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: so much attention you know, when Reeves said the ball,

595
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, there's Lebron sitting there open. Well,

596
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: there's a lot of space, right, there's a lot of space.

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Speaker 2: Ayton wasn't clogging the lane. He was in the y

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Speaker 2: in the alley.

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Speaker 1: Good point, right.

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Speaker 2: I think the spacing thing is the bigger thing with

601
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Speaker 2: guys that got to have the ball and making sure

602
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: there's enough space to operate in in today's NBA, not

603
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Speaker 2: necessarily whose ball dominant?

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Speaker 1: Real quick before we wrap up, I'm sure you've seen

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Speaker 1: the comment. Steve Kerr's comments are getting a lot of

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Speaker 1: attention that he is theorizing that in the increased pace

607
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Speaker 1: of and maybe even a schedule where there's a little

608
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: bit more intensity early in the season is leading to

609
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Speaker 1: a more soft tissue injuries. Do you buy that? Do

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Speaker 1: you think it's more complicated than that? What was your

611
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Speaker 1: what's your reaction to what Kerr head is?

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Speaker 2: Well? First off, first off, Steve's timing is always unique.

613
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's you know why we're bringing that

614
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 2: up now, that's the stuff that gets done in the season.

615
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: You got an older team. You know he beats to

616
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Speaker 2: his own drum. There's no doubt he does. You know,

617
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Speaker 2: you're trying to make sure that people are understanding that

618
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: the product is good that I think the bigger problem

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Speaker 2: is this Dan. I think the training is a bigger issue. Now.

620
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: I'm not in the NBA, but I follow it, I studied,

621
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Speaker 2: I got a lot of players in it. Anthony is

622
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: is one of the I wouldn't call him an outlier,

623
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: but when you train the way he does, and Julius's

624
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: workout people, Tyler Ralph was in Dallas, they were in town.

625
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: I saw them the other day. When you've got people

626
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Speaker 2: that are training and wise, conditioning wise, strength wise, not

627
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: only individual trainer wise, but also getting enough game like

628
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: action where they're getting up and down the court, I

629
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 2: think those things are big. I'm not sure everybody's doing

630
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 2: that right. And what happens is camp is so short,

631
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Speaker 2: all right, if anything, have a longer period for camp

632
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: to ramp up where And again, I'm not trying to

633
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: act like a doctor. And I stayed at the Lofton Hotel,

634
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: which was unbelievable, not a holiday and express, So I'm

635
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 2: not trying to get out of my lane here. But

636
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 2: I've been believing this for a while. I think the

637
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: offseason training coming into camp not ready coming into camp overweight,

638
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: coming into camp and not getting enough playing of like

639
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 2: live full playing, not stopping playing games inside of that,

640
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: and then carrying that into the games. I think that

641
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 2: has got something to do with this too. Now, is

642
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: Steve right? Yeah, Steve's coached thousands of games and play

643
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 2: thousands of games of that NBA, and he's right. It's

644
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 2: somebody that loves the game and a fan of the game.

645
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Speaker 2: I don't like his timing all the time of that

646
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: stuff because there's nothing you're gonna do about it now,

647
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: all right, there's nothing you can do about it. The

648
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: season is the season. But to me, I think I

649
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: think every team, I think the study someday, Okay, how

650
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: are guys training, what do they need to go through?

651
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 2: This contact, the soft tissue stuff? How much of this

652
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 2: is because we're not in the proper basketball shape when

653
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Speaker 2: this season starts. Now, that's my belief from following it

654
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: without any scientific you know, I'm not trying to speak

655
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Speaker 2: science without science, I don't have that. I'm not. I'm

656
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Speaker 2: giving you an opinion based on what I really try

657
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 2: to watch and see, talk to some others about, but

658
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: really try to see in my own guys, and I

659
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Speaker 2: think it's big. I think that part of it is big,

660
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Speaker 2: and I think that plays into it. Now. I don't

661
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 2: know how you quantify it because I don't know if

662
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Speaker 2: there's a stat for any of that, but I do

663
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Speaker 2: think that's a part of it.

664
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Speaker 1: You think they're they're over training or they're just not training.

665
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Speaker 2: Under training for basketball. I think people are training. I

666
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: think they're in the gym. I think they're getting the

667
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: workouts that they're lifting, but I don't I don't see

668
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: the endurance gotcha training right and the ramp up. I've

669
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Speaker 2: said this on your show before, but Dwayne Wade was

670
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: unbelievable because he learned that you had to have a

671
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 2: really good balance of working with a trainer but also

672
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Speaker 2: with a basketball coach and getting true basketball training. Now,

673
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 2: there's some overuse, you know, with younger people. I I

674
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Speaker 2: totally believe that, But when you're talking about NBA people,

675
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure they're set for the duration uh and

676
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 2: the durability that's got to have to go into these games.

677
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Speaker 2: And if anything, I was commissioner for a day, I'd

678
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Speaker 2: fight whoever who need to fight to make sure that

679
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Speaker 2: the camp wrap up gets a little bit more intensified,

680
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Speaker 2: and there's a little more time for these guys to

681
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 2: get ready to play the games, even a few more

682
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 2: exhibition games or relax some of the rules. But you're

683
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Speaker 2: the first one that's asked my opinion, so I'll have

684
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Speaker 2: to leave it at that.

685
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Speaker 1: That works for me. We're against the clock and you

686
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: probably got things to do. Hell, you got probably got

687
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: another game to study for in the basis of your

688
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Speaker 1: schedule these days.

689
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Speaker 2: But I do yeah that I'm down live at six o'clock,

690
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Speaker 2: so I'll be awesome answer some question.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you. We'll be in touch soon. Thanks Tom, as.

692
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Speaker 2: Always anytime you're well.

693
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Speaker 1: Much appreciated. Tom Crean man, busy guy, college pro, not

694
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Speaker 1: just the Walls now doing the Milwaukee Bucks. It's good

695
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: to be Crean. And nobody enjoys it, obviously and lives

696
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: that the game of basketball quite the way he does.

697
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Speaker 1: That's for sure. A guy who lived the game of

698
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Speaker 1: football is going to join us. At the top of

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Speaker 1: the hour, Mace in your face. We got one more

700
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Speaker 1: segment to get to before then. Don't forget Kessler in

701
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Speaker 1: studio at five three. It's a wild Wednesday here on

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Speaker 1: k FAM. We're taking your top backs for tickets all

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Speaker 1: Make it stop, Please please make it stop. But it's

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Speaker 1: not going to stop. Visit. Have you seen the latest

710
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Speaker 1: comments from JJ McCarthy. I've skimmed him. I just didn't

711
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Speaker 1: even know where to begin. The premise seems to be

712
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Speaker 1: that he's learning a different style than what he grew

713
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Speaker 1: up with, which might well be true. It's very new

714
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Speaker 1: coming in here. I was taught how to play quarterback

715
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Speaker 1: in a very different way, and that's expected going into

716
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Speaker 1: the league, going into any new team, any new system.

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, it was really

718
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Speaker 1: just the injuries that I felt like took away all

719
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Speaker 1: those reps to make those a habit and make them concrete.

720
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Speaker 1: So he's following up with the settling concrete imagery, which

721
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Speaker 1: we got from the head coach yesterday. Then there's this

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Speaker 1: you know you're rewiring neurological pathways, and that's not something

723
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Speaker 1: that's that's not something that happens overnight. We what are

724
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Speaker 1: we doing? None of this stuff, Oh my God helps

725
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: his cause at all. Just go play, just get better,

726
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: just keep working it, keep making mistakes but trying to

727
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Speaker 1: learn from them. Remarkable, absolutely remarkable. The bratch on Brian

728
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Speaker 1: Camfan text line, as always is open at six four

729
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Speaker 1: six eighty six. Let me reboot it because it logs

730
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: us out sometimes, so I think there's a lot of

731
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: stuff that week, the first text new text to come in.

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Speaker 1: You can blame Hulcombe for that. I yeah, maybe you can.

733
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Speaker 1: I don't know Holcombe again. His his name is Greg Holcombe,

734
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Speaker 1: who has apparently was the former quarterback whisperer for a

735
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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy. He's described as the private position coach for Holcombe,

736
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Speaker 1: the private position coach. I think he's based in Chicago,

737
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken. I'm not sure. I'm sure Mace

738
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Speaker 1: might have an opinion on private position coaches, and I'm

739
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: sure they sometimes they help the cause. Sometimes I wonder

740
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Speaker 1: if they indeed heard it. I'm not exactly sure. Let

741
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: me read that one again.

742
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Speaker 4: Where did it go? Where's Ben Gesling? That's why I

743
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 4: saw it from Ben Gessling X got to be here

744
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 4: somewhere there it is you're rewiring neurological.

745
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Speaker 1: Pathways, and that's not something that happens overnight. So you

746
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: just understanding giving myself that grace, that patience. Might not

747
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: have it today, but it's something I'm gonna continue to

748
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: strive after, day after day, rep after ref ref rep,

749
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Speaker 1: I should say, and get to the place where well

750
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Speaker 1: I want me to be. I don't remember a word

751
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: about neurological pathways when Dante Culpepper came aboard. Actually I

752
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: don't even hear it. I don't even remember when Christian

753
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: Ponder did. But maybe my memory is not very good.

754
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's it's it's the effort. I think

755
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of ways where you can, even

756
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: if you think you're you're doing your quarterback a favor,

757
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: you actually, in a public sense, work against him. I

758
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: was talking to somebody about this the other day, who

759
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: shall remain nameless, regarding we've we've we've we've discussed it before,

760
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: all the stuff we've heard about leadership, toughness. You know

761
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: that all sounds good, But first what you got to

762
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: do before you can sort of burnish your image in

763
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: that sense is you just got to play more often

764
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: and you just got to play better, and then that

765
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: stuff's gonna come. You'll have. But it's almost like we're

766
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 1: built it's in reverse. The whole problem here, and this

767
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: is largely because he was hurt as long as he

768
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: was all last season and much of this season is

769
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: it's like we're trying to build the myth first, the

770
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: mythology around him before he's done anything that could be

771
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: even considered borderline mythological. That's the part that makes no

772
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: sense to me. Let it breathe before we try to

773
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,439
Speaker 1: assign all these qualities and anybody would want to play

774
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: for him, and he's got this and he's got that.

775
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: Just just complete the next five throws in a row.

776
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: That's all. That's all you need. I would say, are you.

777
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 3: Familiar with the term neuroplasticity. It's the learning to rewrite

778
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 3: your neural pathways as a process called neuroplasticity. Which is

779
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 3: it a procedure, No, it's.

780
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Speaker 1: Not, Oh, or is it just it's it's it's it's

781
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: a series of it's habits that you chant you somehow.

782
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 3: It's literally forming new neural connections, and strengthening or weakening

783
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 3: is existing ones through new experiences or constant or consistent practice.

784
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Speaker 1: Basically, you just have to practice it. I guess you do.

785
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: Tom from Savage. Neurological pathways are not easily correctible, but

786
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: you seem to be saying the same thing, so that

787
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: may well indeed be true. What does one have to

788
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: do one? What does one have to do with the

789
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: other day? And hasn't science advanced since then? Technology? Any

790
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: opportunity to bash JJ? That's Dave from Fargo. All I

791
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: can do, Dave from Fargo, is respond to what's put

792
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: in front of me. And you can believe this or

793
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: not believe this. There are a million football people out

794
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: there who are rolling their eyes at some of this stuff.

795
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: They just are. So if it hurts your feelings, I'm

796
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 1: sorry it hurts your feelings. It's not about bashing anybody.

797
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: I got up today not knowing what was going to

798
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: be said by the head coach and what was going

799
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: to be said by the player. I have no control

800
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:18,479
Speaker 1: over that, do I. I don't think neither is Chris Carter.

801
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: If he goes to a game and he didn't play

802
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: very well, he's supposed to ignore the fact that he

803
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: wasn't very good for fifty nine minutes because he used

804
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: to be a Viking. What are you talking about here.

805
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: I've got too many people who watch the game seriously

806
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: enough that they don't want sugar coating. They actually prefer

807
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: that even young players get challenged a little bit. Doesn't

808
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: mean you give up on him, I mean you cut him.

809
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: But that's really what we're dealing with right now. Great

810
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: opportunity to this Sunday to take care of business against

811
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Speaker 1: your club and completely change the narrative. As they like

812
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 1: to say in the business, it's all takes is one

813
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: game on the road, and you got all your built

814
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 1: in excuses because you've got an injury list is basically

815
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Speaker 1: as long as you're right, left hand and right and left.

816
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 3: Foot, as long as uh Dante Culpepper's fingers yesterday.

817
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: That's true too, that's as long as the Vikings one in.

818
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: Let's do this top of the hour pause. We'll get

819
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: Mason here, we'll talk some college football. I'll get his

820
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: feeling on the whole JJ McCarthy phenomenon here and how

821
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Speaker 1: he tended to try to deal with quarterbacks who were

822
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Speaker 1: struggling a little bit what his approach was. Was he

823
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Speaker 1: tough love guy, sort of like Ben Johnson is in

824
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Speaker 1: Chicago or was he more nurturing, soft guy like Koc

825
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: continues apparently to try to be Mace if you got

826
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Speaker 1: questions for him. Rat Shawn Brian Cafe in text line

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