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Speaker 1: for calls on the fifteens. I want to know who

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Speaker 1: against Baltimore acrosh on Sunday. Who will be the hero

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Speaker 1: if the Steelers win? As I talked about before with

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Speaker 1: like all time lows for Rogers since he became a starter,

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Speaker 1: And I respect Rogers's guile. I certainly used that word

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Speaker 1: enough this year when referring to Rogers, and that guyle

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Speaker 1: won some games for a while. Gile, let's all smile, uh.

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Speaker 1: But the more Rogers got his hooks into the game

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Speaker 1: everything gots. We've probably overrated Rogers all year. Mostly He's

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson Part two. No better, may be worse. It's

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Speaker 1: a failed experiment, and really winning Sunday won't change that.

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Speaker 1: For it not to be a failed experiment, he has

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Speaker 1: the purpose of bringing him in. And yeah, Metcalf suspended,

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah. You is still going to be Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: As I keep saying, if they blow it and miss

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Speaker 1: be because they lost to Baltimore on Sunday. It'll be

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Speaker 1: because they lost to Cleveland last Sunday. Wonder how long

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Speaker 1: it'll take the crowd to chant fire Tomlin. Actually I

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Speaker 1: might suggest a different word that begins with F for

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Speaker 1: keep coming back to this, This frigging on Sunday. It's exciting,

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Speaker 1: but it shouldn't matter. They should be home and dry,

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Speaker 1: having won at Cleveland. Rogers and cam and Ramsey should

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Speaker 1: be sitting wad as well, instead of forcing himself in there,

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Speaker 1: yanking the needle, the knife, the ice pick, whatever it is,

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Speaker 1: when it should be meaningless.

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Speaker 2: They should have won at Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: This game Sunday night should be at one o'clock and

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Speaker 1: we should be looking forward to the playoffs for sure,

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Speaker 1: and you should be wearing your hats and T shirts

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Speaker 1: having spent far too much money at shop dot Steelers

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Speaker 2: We run the North.

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Speaker 1: And right below where it would say we run the North,

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Speaker 1: and this applies if they win Sunday, right below where

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Speaker 1: it says we run the North, it should say by

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what it leads to, because to me,

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Speaker 1: a win provides nothing but camouflage because this is an

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Speaker 1: old average football team and a bad organization. I bet

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Speaker 1: the game plan is all wrong, as is tradition by now.

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Speaker 1: Even if they win this game and don't win a

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Speaker 1: it's a season that feels just like the last how

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Speaker 1: many with no real promise. I remember when the one

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Speaker 1: guy down the dial was saying, this team's a dark

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Speaker 2: It never was, and you know.

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Speaker 1: What, it ain't gonna be anytime soon, Same as it

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Speaker 1: last eight to nine to ten. However, many and conventional

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Speaker 1: wisdom among the stooges, marks and citizens is, hey, just

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Speaker 1: win this game. Playoffs hasz a, YadA, YadA, Just win

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Speaker 1: this game. If you win this game, what happened to

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Speaker 1: like I said, just conceals problems. Then again, I'm not

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Speaker 2: You'll see next year when they just run it back.

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Speaker 1: I would bet they bring back Aaron Rodgers no matter

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Speaker 1: But now Tom was scared the death of Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: If I knew for sure what irony meant. I would

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest, and you guys are gonna give me

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Speaker 1: Instead, they re guaranteed the guarantees he voided, which, like

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Speaker 1: Didn't get whatever, and he played a couple of good

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Speaker 1: I do believe the crowd will start on supportive, but

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Speaker 1: It might go from fire tom Win to another word

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Speaker 2: So I want to know.

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Speaker 1: Who you think the hero is gonna be if the

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Speaker 2: But I don't know. I mean TJ.

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Speaker 3: Five, thank you for making my day?

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Speaker 2: Yeah what you said?

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Speaker 1: Tom and I talked about, they left Jason Robertson off

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Speaker 1: which still isn't sponsored. If it was a segment on

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Speaker 1: the DV Morning Show would be let's go to Scooch

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Speaker 4: What what up? Mine? Hey, this isn't really a sexy pick,

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Speaker 4: but for MVP Sunday, I think it has to be

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Speaker 4: Derek Harmon. I mean they are a completely different run

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Speaker 4: So it really is unbelievable how much of a different

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Speaker 1: You're totally correct, Scooch, bit you'd agree that Derrick Henry's

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Speaker 1: think if they're gonna win, Harmon has to play a

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Speaker 4: can't believe they held those two to like twenty yards.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're talking, you're talking about You're talking about Henry

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Speaker 5: Very true, Very true.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a very likely pick. I just think

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Speaker 1: to stop Derek Henry, it's gonna take a village. Let's

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Speaker 1: go to Paul. Paul, you're on double m Hey, Mark,

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Speaker 1: what happens if the game ends in a tie?

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Speaker 2: Steelers make the playoffs?

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Speaker 5: Do they?

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Speaker 6: Okay, my pick would be Chris bos Well, he's not.

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Speaker 1: Really a football player. But but go ahead tell me why.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how many points is he gonna have to score?

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Speaker 6: Well, he's probably going to be making the winning the game,

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Speaker 6: Chris bog Will.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, boy, that's the slippery slope in cold and weather

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Dave Dan Tan, Dave, you're on with

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Speaker 5: Good day, sir, I said, good day. Okay. I really

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Speaker 5: hope that Rodgers comes back next year, and I'll tell

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Speaker 5: you why, because he needs another year to create a

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Speaker 5: big enough disaster that we'll make Tomlin finally give up

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Speaker 2: No, Tom and I could give up and leave.

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Speaker 1: And if if he's ever gonna give up and leave,

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Speaker 2: Some news from the Steelers. TJ.

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Speaker 1: Watt talked to media, said he's definitely gonna play, didn't

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Speaker 1: Ravens from the tributes, Tim Benz, Tim Uh, if the

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Speaker 6: And that means the outside linebackers, when they've been good

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and to that extent, I don't think they'll use

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Speaker 1: The Steelers fix their offense, you know, between the Cleveland

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Speaker 6: We've been saying that for a while, even before Metcalf

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Speaker 1: I hope that's true, but ultimately it's up to Rogers,

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Speaker 6: it's kind of funny. It's not like it was Josh

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Speaker 6: Allen and Justin Fields and Jackson and Justin Herbert, all

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Speaker 6: But it was accounting for them and game planning and

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Speaker 6: worrying about them that allowed guys like Henry kamani Vedal,

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Speaker 6: James Cook, and Breis Hall to all go for ninety

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Speaker 6: five or more yards roughly in those games against the Steelers.

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Speaker 6: I think it was some sort of gross total of

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Speaker 6: one hundred and ninety two yards total rushing yards on

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Speaker 6: average for those four teams that had the ability to

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Speaker 6: split between a mobile running back and a good mobile

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Speaker 6: quarterback and a good running back. The Steelers just have

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Speaker 6: trouble accounting for those two things at once in the

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Speaker 6: rush defense game. Whereas if you've got a good running back,

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Speaker 6: but an immobile quarterback. They've actually been pretty decent against

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Speaker 6: teams like that this season stopping the run.

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Speaker 2: The thing with Lamar is and he obviously is going

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Speaker 2: to play, says he is.

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Speaker 1: I still can't help but wonder if it would be

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Speaker 1: better to have Huntley in there at one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: than Lamar at whatever percent he's at, let's say seventy

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Speaker 1: five or whatever. I will say with Huntley, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's not as good, but you can use the same game,

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Speaker 1: and I think you focus more on Henry, which for

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Speaker 1: this game I would lean on him a lot more

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Speaker 1: than Lamar.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. I think that was part of the reason why

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Speaker 6: they were so successful against green Bay is that having

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Speaker 6: Huntley there limited their package and limited their thought pattern

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Speaker 6: as to how much they were gonna throw and how

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Speaker 6: much they were gonna let the quarterback run.

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Speaker 1: And Green Bay didn't really want to play anyway. The

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Speaker 1: game had no meaning for them, so Henry was going

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Speaker 1: to break down their will.

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Speaker 6: And you know, I believe Huntley had like what sixty

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Speaker 6: yards rushing seventy yards rushing himself, so when he did

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Speaker 6: run the ball, he did it effectively and aided to

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Speaker 6: that huge run total. But I see your point. It's

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Speaker 6: just that if you decide to not go against Lamar

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Speaker 6: or go with Lamar and he's healthy, you're gonna hear

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Speaker 6: about it the entire offseason. And the other thing is

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Speaker 6: if they do get behind and they do need to

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Speaker 6: throw a little bit, if they need a two minute drill,

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Speaker 6: or if they need to comeback, Lamar is definitely more

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Speaker 6: likely to give that to you that Huntley is.

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Speaker 1: No no. I agree that once Lamar said he was

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Speaker 1: okay to play, Harbor head no choice but to play.

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Speaker 1: And again, the notion that Baltimore could mangle its game

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Speaker 1: plan by having an embarrassment of weapons, that's no knock

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Speaker 1: on Lamar, that's a knock on on John Harbaugh. Now,

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Speaker 1: if the Steelers lose and miss the playoffs, will will

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Speaker 1: change be a foot or will they just run it back.

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Speaker 6: I think the Steelers will run it back. I don't

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Speaker 6: know about Baltimore. I think they would be more inclined

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Speaker 6: to make it change because I don't think that the

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Speaker 6: Shoti is as wed to the notion of having to

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Speaker 6: stay with the same coach. I think he likes Harball,

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Speaker 6: trusts Harrball, wants to keep Harball, but he'll know one

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Speaker 6: enough is enough a lot sooner than our running the

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Speaker 6: second will and especially Mark because he doesn't have the

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Speaker 6: option Harbaugh, I'm talking about to say, well, I don't

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Speaker 6: have a quarterback. You know, Tomlin can keep saying that,

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Speaker 6: even though he's the one that has wanted to bring

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Speaker 6: in the quarterbacks that have been there and now currently

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Speaker 6: as a Hall of Famer, So you know there's an

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Speaker 6: irony there. Sure, but I would expect that it would

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Speaker 6: take multiple consecutive losing seasons before Rooney said it's time

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Speaker 6: for a change with Tomlin.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I kind of laugh when people are currently saying,

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Speaker 1: like like Schefter, et cetera, that you know, if they

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Speaker 1: lose to Baltimore, this could be when Tomlin walks away.

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Speaker 1: If he's ever going to Well, the fact remains that

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Speaker 1: he's never going to, and it certainly would not be

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Speaker 1: at the team's behest. It would be at least framed

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Speaker 1: as a Tomlin decision in order for everybody to save face.

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Speaker 1: What's your take on gain while getting Team MVP the

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Speaker 1: number two running back, it keeps in the tradition of

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Speaker 1: not giving it to the white quarterback.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, would you have given it to Rodgers.

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Speaker 6: Is that what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's an MVP on the fricking team tim.

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Speaker 1: I might have given it to Heismith, but he missed

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Speaker 1: a lot of games. I might have given it to

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Speaker 1: Ramsey for being the glue. I might have given it

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Speaker 1: to Joey Porter Junior after that tweet by Williamson that

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Speaker 1: he has a lot of touchdown in fourteen and forty

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Speaker 1: four snaps the longest streak in the by.

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Speaker 6: Twice week, especially if Lamar is capable of starting and

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Speaker 6: playing and doing everything, because when he throws, he's gonna

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Speaker 6: want to throw the Flowers and Matt might have tweeted

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Speaker 6: this out as well. I know it's in his stat

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Speaker 6: pack for the week that Zave Flowers has six hundred

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Speaker 6: and sixty five more receiving yards than any other pass

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Speaker 6: catcher for the Ravens. So that has to be Joey

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Speaker 6: Porter's guy, and he has to do well against him.

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Speaker 6: As far as the MVP, I guess it has to

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Speaker 6: be gain well. For a lot of the reasons you

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Speaker 6: brought up, there just hasn't hasn't been a guy who's

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Speaker 6: been good enough, often enough, healthy enough for the whole

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Speaker 6: season to have earned it more than him. And you know,

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Speaker 6: I'll frame it in the way that you did about

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Speaker 6: the whole embarrassment of Rich's thing, that it's no knock

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Speaker 6: on those players themselves if they lose, it's more on

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Speaker 6: the coach. This might be indicative of the coach and

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Speaker 6: what his thumb print is on the roster. If his

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Speaker 6: most valuable player is a guy that Philadelphia wanting to

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Speaker 6: more to back up seek one Barkley that's saying something and.

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Speaker 1: Wills that don't know what the vote really is. Because

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Speaker 1: Tom Win CONTs to vote, it's basically a Tom Win award.

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Speaker 1: And whether he listens to what the players say via

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Speaker 1: their vote, I don't think he always does.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Tim, here's a great sound.

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Speaker 1: I just see Gainwell said he was not surprised to

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Speaker 1: be named Steelers' MVP. Boy, it's hard to be fumble

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Speaker 1: when you know, hard to be humble, rather with his

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Speaker 1: a Freudian slip. Hard to be humble when you never

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Speaker 1: started for Philadelphia? Tim, who wins.

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Speaker 6: If Jackson plays in his healthy twenty to sixteen Baltimore

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Speaker 6: is my call?

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Speaker 1: What if Jackson doesn't play or he plays at like

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Speaker 1: seventy five.

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Speaker 6: Percent, Steelers sixteen to ten.

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Speaker 2: See, I like Baltimore regardless, although Harbaugh could blow it.

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Speaker 1: He could, you know, I think himself as you've said,

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Speaker 1: But I think Baltimore coming into the game with the momentum,

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Speaker 1: the adrenaline of having been dead and buried and let

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Speaker 1: off the mat, that is a very special kind of adrenaline,

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Speaker 1: that second chance adrenaline.

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Speaker 6: And I wonder if there's a corollary effect on the

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Speaker 6: other side with the Steelers, you know, who might get

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Speaker 6: out there in two degree whether or whatever it's going

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Speaker 6: to be, with rock salt in the seats like you

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Speaker 6: were laying out before I came on and said, you

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Speaker 6: know what, weren't we supposed to be like off this week?

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Speaker 6: Wasn't this game supposed to not matter? Shouldn't we be

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Speaker 6: thinking about the Chargers or the Texans or the Bills again?

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Speaker 6: Like you know, I wonder if that I'll slap them

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Speaker 6: in the face at about eight nineteen pm, Tim, if.

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Speaker 1: I had to get out there and the cold and

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Speaker 1: the rock salt and the drunk, never mind core hilary effect,

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Speaker 1: I might have a coronary effect. And I have already

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Speaker 1: had one of those, Tim, great stuff enjoy the game, all.

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Speaker 6: Right, Mark, Thanks, we'll talk during the podcast next day.

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Speaker 1: That's Tim Ben's I do a podcast with him every

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Speaker 1: Sunday night and a Facebook live broadcast with him every

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Speaker 1: Monday morning with trib Live dot com. Don't forget you

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Speaker 1: Altamont with the super Genius Sunday kickoff at eight twenty

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Speaker 1: South Point. We got Charlie Batch at the top of

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Speaker 1: the hour, and we got Penguins winger Justin Brazo later

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Speaker 1: on in the four o'clock hour. I'm Mark Madden one

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Speaker 1: oh five nine. It's The Woody Show weekday morning six

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