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Speaker 1: Good morning Gloom, Good morning Doom, Brownie.

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Speaker 2: I cannot believe.

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Speaker 3: You would take your dog to one of those parbo

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Speaker 3: and fested dog parks. You know, every time I think

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Speaker 3: you've reached the bottom and you can't disappoint any better, boy,

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Speaker 3: you proved me wrong. Well, I guess I'll get ready

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Speaker 3: for another disappointing day.

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Speaker 1: Y'all have a great day.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you the backstory about taking the dog and

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Speaker 4: the dog park I take to take them to is

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Speaker 4: probably the largest dark dog park in Colorado, unless you

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Speaker 4: consider Rocky Mountain National Park at dog park or you know,

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Speaker 4: the Indian Peaks Wilderness a dog park. But I will

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Speaker 4: take them usually to Chatfield. And I actually talked to

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Speaker 4: our trainer about taking them to Chatfield because I when

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Speaker 4: they were both puppies, that was how I was socializing them. Well.

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Speaker 4: In addition to the puppy training and the dog training

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Speaker 4: and all that, I also want to take them out

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Speaker 4: in you know, like home deep home places like that.

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Speaker 4: And she doesn't like dog parks, and she as a rule,

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Speaker 4: suggests we not take the dogs to dog parks. But

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Speaker 4: she said her one exception as Chatfield because it's so

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Speaker 4: large and it's so open air and it's so well

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Speaker 4: maintained that you don't have to worry so much about

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Speaker 4: parvo and all the other stuff. So yeah, I do,

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Speaker 4: I do them take them out there, but they also

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Speaker 4: know I'll let them kind of like I'll let Dragon

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Speaker 4: occasionally sniff the poop, you know, I just kind of

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Speaker 4: kind of stimulate the brain. But just like I tell

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Speaker 4: Dragon leave it, I can tell the dogs to leave it,

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Speaker 4: and Dragon will just leave it and he'll move on.

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Speaker 4: So the dogs, the Limburger's yeah, Dragon, it's all pretty

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Speaker 4: much the same to me. Just put them on the head,

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Speaker 4: throw them a treat once in a while, and move on.

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Speaker 1: Noe besteg. We have things to give away today, you do.

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Speaker 4: We have two pair separate tickets, uh to the Rockies. Now,

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Speaker 4: let's see, let me make sure this is for Sunday

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Speaker 4: opening weekend the coors Field. When a pair of tickets

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Speaker 4: to Rockies Phillies this Sunday opening weekend at coors Field. Now,

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Speaker 4: because Dragon is working, and because I don't like to

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Speaker 4: talk to him outside the program, you know, I don't

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Speaker 4: want to have a like a real conversation, like have

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Speaker 4: a real relationship. And besides, this email didn't come in

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Speaker 4: until seven fifty one yesterday evening, so there's no way

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Speaker 4: in hell I was going to text or call Dragon

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Speaker 4: and say, hey, how do you want to get these

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Speaker 4: tickets away? I'm already in bed. Well I wasn't quite

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Speaker 4: last night, but let's say I was. I was, I

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Speaker 5: So you and I need to decide.

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Speaker 4: The criteria and by which we will give away these

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Speaker 4: two pair of tickets today.

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Speaker 6: Well, the previous show, Ross Kaminski on the News with

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Speaker 6: Gina Gondek, we do a text in contest with your name,

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Speaker 6: your email address, and then the answer to a simple

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Speaker 6: trivia question. And we like to do a time delayed

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Speaker 6: giveaway just because time delayed. Well, I'll give out a

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Speaker 6: time and say text in be texted number four at

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Speaker 6: ax time because there's the on air listeners and then

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Speaker 6: there's the streaming listeners, and fortunately or unfortunately for the

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Speaker 6: streaming listeners, it is almost a minute later than what now.

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Speaker 4: So you're not talking about like a two hours.

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Speaker 1: Minutes just to give enough time for everybody to enough.

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Speaker 4: Time for you to wake up from your slumber and

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Speaker 4: actually read something correct, all right, got it? Got it?

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Speaker 5: All right?

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Speaker 4: So all right, so we'll do so because we're lazy

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Speaker 4: ass and we just don't care. We just want to

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Speaker 4: give give away some tickets. We'll just replicate what that

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Speaker 4: this the show that is in here. By the way,

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Speaker 4: I told Gina, whatever handlation she's using this morning, this

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Speaker 4: place smells like a bakery.

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Speaker 1: Nice.

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Speaker 4: I mean compared to the you know, the the old

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Speaker 4: As that excellent. Yes, it's you know, it's it's it's quite.

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Speaker 5: Um Now I won't say that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so so you want to do something right now

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Speaker 4: here is what you're saying, Let's do that first pair

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Speaker 4: do you think I brought it up, dumb ass?

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Speaker 1: I brought it up. I said, I told you.

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Speaker 4: I whispered to you while she was doing the news.

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Speaker 4: I said, we need to make a decision about how

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Speaker 4: we're going to give away these tickets.

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Speaker 5: Nobody knows.

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Speaker 4: We don't. Don't start that crap with me already this morning.

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Speaker 6: Not a single person knows what you're talking about. Because

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Speaker 6: that happened off the air. If it even happened off

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Speaker 4: You have plausible deniability because nobody heard it except you

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Speaker 4: and me. And you're like such a lion socker, you

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Speaker 4: know what that You'll just you make me the bad

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Speaker 4: guy every single time, and I'm just sick of it.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give away some of these Rockies tickets.

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Speaker 4: I'm giving away the tickets just because not and not

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Speaker 4: to I mean, I know that over there, before we

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Speaker 5: But may I just ask, how are they doing.

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Speaker 1: So far well? With that commanding win yesterday? There's that?

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Speaker 4: presentation about they've changed everything. They changed the president all

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Speaker 4: and this is what we get. I'm it's just like,

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Speaker 4: Games into the season. Just I mean, I know that,

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Speaker 4: you know it's not it's kind of a rocky nopun

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Speaker 4: by the time you get these tickets and go on Sunday,

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Speaker 4: you'll be beautiful.

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Speaker 5: Great, You're a great afternoon thing to do. All right,

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Speaker 5: So what's the trivia question?

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Speaker 6: Uh so we'll do a text number three at how

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Speaker 6: about nine seventeen and eighteen seconds? Yes, because the text

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Speaker 5: Still, it has to be after nine seventeen.

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Speaker 6: You'll be the third texter after nine seventeen and eighteen seconds,

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Speaker 6: that is correct from this trivia question. And you do

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Speaker 5: Of the Limburgers. Correct, All right, well that's kind of

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Speaker 5: a that's a that's a tough one. Although it's easy,

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Speaker 6: So again, that's text number three to three three one

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Speaker 7: I got whiplash just from you saying three three one

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Speaker 7: zero three, Mike or Michael, your first to your last name,

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Speaker 5: My either nagers.

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Speaker 4: all right, are we done? Are we done with that

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Speaker 1: We will have another pair to give away later in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when should we do that? You know, since since

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Speaker 4: we're doing our pre production meeting, since Temper sends us

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Speaker 5: Uh, you want to do that in the third hour?

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Speaker 5: Michaels. They just give me this snarty look.

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Speaker 6: Not a chance. Not a chance because you're here. Why

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Speaker 4: Because if I'm not here, there's probably a good chance

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Speaker 1: Shows like me The Martino Show will keep me around.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's true, that's true. Somebody will keep you around.

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Speaker 4: Two listeners wrote me in the span of like eight hours,

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Speaker 4: the first listener writes, I am completely ticked off about

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Speaker 4: the TSA asking employees to return the gift cards that

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Speaker 4: Tyler Perry handed out in Atlanta. We have massive fraud

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Speaker 4: happening in government agencies, in the millions and the billions.

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Speaker 4: The irony of trying to take back gift cards from

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Speaker 4: TSA employees when American taxpayers are being defrauded by the

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Speaker 4: be a little ticked off about the whole TSA thing.

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Speaker 4: The second listener flagged something that deepens the story, I

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Speaker 5: Was publicly soliciting.

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Speaker 4: Gift cards for TSA employees at the same time that

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Speaker 4: in this morning, I heard about again all of the

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Speaker 4: fake clinics. It concentrated right in downtown la no clients,

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Speaker 4: no customers, no patients, no nothing, dead phones, nothing at all,

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Speaker 4: empty offices, hundreds of them, billions of dollars, not a

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Speaker 4: damn thing done. Now, I'm not saying that Tyler Perry's

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Speaker 4: gift cards ought to have been exempt.

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Speaker 5: From the rules.

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Speaker 4: I'm saying the rules should mean something across the board,

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Speaker 4: not just when the target happens to be an unpaid

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Speaker 4: hourly worker and the paperwork is easy. There's a principle

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Speaker 4: that every lawyer understands. Is this The way that you

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Speaker 4: enforce a rule tells you more about someone's real priorities

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Speaker 4: than the rule itself does. So the federal government had

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Speaker 4: two gift card programs running at the same time. One

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Speaker 4: got blessed by TSA management, operated by a prohibited source

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Speaker 4: the airport, and left alone. The other one was organized

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Speaker 4: eh by a private citizen, no regulatory relationship to TSA,

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Speaker 4: cleared through every proper channel, and then shut down within days.

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Speaker 4: So the first email had it exactly right. For those

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Speaker 4: of us who follow the rules, who wouldn't dream of

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Speaker 4: giving our postal carrier more than a twenty dollars gift

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Speaker 4: card at Christmas, there's something deeply corrosive, really crosy of

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Speaker 4: watching the rule book get applied selectively or surgically and exclusively,

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Speaker 4: exclusively to the people who were already doing things the

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Speaker 4: right way. That's not ethics enforcement. That's the appearance of

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Speaker 4: ethics enforcement in a government that's burning through tax payer

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Speaker 4: money on fraud. It can't be bothered to prosecute that fraud. Well,

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Speaker 4: the least you can do, then, is to be honest

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Speaker 4: about which rules you actually intend to keep. All over

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Speaker 4: a stupid gift card.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Michael, gift cards and fraud, you're conflating two different things.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm talking about selective enforcement. We're going to selectively

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Speaker 4: enforce certain things regarding the gift cards at one airport

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Speaker 4: versus a different airport while all the same time. Over

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Speaker 4: because we have two separate emails, one about the gift cards,

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Speaker 4: one about the fraud, and I'm doing a comparison of

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Speaker 4: selective enforcement of the gift cards versus selective enforcement of

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Speaker 4: the fraud, you can't deny that their selective enforcement in

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Speaker 4: both of those situations, which tells you everything about what

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Speaker 4: their priority is. Their priority is let's kick the TSA workers,

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Speaker 4: you know in the growing but the people are defrauding

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Speaker 4: us to the tunes of billions of dollars.

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Speaker 5: Let's let that go. You missed the point entirely.

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Speaker 4: Remember the beaver killing bill, his House Bill thirteen twenty three.

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Speaker 4: He was going to ban killing beavers on public land.

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Speaker 4: The sponsors were Senators Lisa Cutter and Kathy app Those

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Speaker 4: are people also brought.

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Speaker 5: You the rat poison bill.

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Speaker 4: Samantha Miller over at the Center for Biological Diversity said

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Speaker 4: that quote, we can have more beavers for free. It's

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Speaker 4: a cost free solution to Colorado's wildfire and drought crises. Well,

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Speaker 4: the committee's now killed that bill ill on a vote

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Speaker 4: of ten to three. But here's the problem with costs

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Speaker 4: free beavers. We don't have a tracking system for beaver kills.

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Speaker 4: We have no idea how many beavers are shot or trapped.

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Speaker 4: Yet they definitively claimed that banning beaver hunting would solve

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Speaker 4: wildfires and solve the drought problem at no cost of taxpayers.

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Speaker 4: But how many people actually trap beavers anymore? Probably only

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Speaker 4: a handful. I found one stat that said two beavers

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Speaker 4: per hunter in twenty twenty four. But they tried, because

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Speaker 4: they were trying for the beavers and the climate. And

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Speaker 4: then when I got to thinking about beavers and beaver hunting,

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Speaker 4: that reminded me of something that I don't think this

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Speaker 4: audience has ever heard, which you deserve to hear.

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Speaker 8: Roy de Mercer, Baby, she got a speaking But there's

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Speaker 8: the agonich sure is as a night and my name

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Speaker 8: is roy Dean Mercer. I got a bone to pick

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Speaker 8: with you. Pile boy Raymond was down there about a

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Speaker 8: month ago. He's a senior in high school and he

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Speaker 8: wanted to sign up for the knavery and you told

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Speaker 8: him he's too scrawny and needed to go home and work.

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Speaker 4: Out all that.

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Speaker 8: And now I would not have done that.

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Speaker 5: That's what he said.

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Speaker 4: You told him he's too scrunning.

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Speaker 8: He come home, he charged up about two hundred dollars

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Speaker 8: worth of dumbbell and about one hundred dollars worth of

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Speaker 8: protein pider and that ain't the worst though. He's in

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Speaker 8: there trying to get them dumbbells put together. And his

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Speaker 8: little pet hamster LIVERERATCHI got loosen, was down on the

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Speaker 8: floor and it ain't funny. He dropped a twenty pound

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Speaker 8: weight on him, squirst him squished. Yeah, little liverarachies ain't funny.

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Speaker 8: So I need about three hundred dollars and a new hamster.

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Speaker 8: So I'm coming down there and whooping somebody's ass. Well,

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Speaker 8: do you think it's funny? I guarantee I'm gonna swell

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Speaker 8: one of your eyes up.

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Speaker 5: You look like Popeye.

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Speaker 8: Go ahead, get it out of your system. So I

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Speaker 8: got a little boy over here toward up. He'd won

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Speaker 8: the four ahe Talented Pet contest the last two years

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Speaker 8: in a.

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Speaker 5: Row with Lebarati.

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Speaker 4: Mama.

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Speaker 8: Mama made him a little blue sequin jacket, and Raymond

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Speaker 8: told him how to set it a tall pen and pound.

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Speaker 1: On it with his note.

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Speaker 5: It ain't funny.

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Speaker 8: Now, I want you to call up at four age

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Speaker 8: teacher and tell him why Raymond ain't gonna have a

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Speaker 8: pet in the show this year.

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Speaker 1: How'd you like me to jerk a half hitch in

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Speaker 1: your eye?

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Speaker 8: How long has it Benson's you had a good old

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Speaker 8: country ass whooping?

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Speaker 3: This year?

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Speaker 8: The blue ribbon is going to probably go to Jimmy

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Speaker 8: Charlene's ping pong playing parrot.

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Speaker 5: He's not good bye.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 8: You call it four aged Teachers and explain all that, Mike.

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Speaker 1: You don't get nickled too easily.

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Speaker 4: Do you want that old king takes h mac.

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Speaker 8: Here is Roy de Mercer and fill in Brent from Tsa, Oklahoma,

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Speaker 8: and the hell are you?

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Speaker 5: I'm just doing fine. Well, he can tell, but I

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Speaker 5: guess your hamster lived.

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Speaker 4: I grew up with that. That's from Tulsa, Oklahoma, brenton

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Speaker 4: those guys. Roy's now there there. I think the entire

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Speaker 4: team may now be dead, But that was when you

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Speaker 4: could just call somebody up and just punk them live

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Speaker 4: on air with something like that. And when I heard

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Speaker 4: about the beaver killing bill in the Colorado polit Bureau,

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Speaker 4: first thing I thought of was roy D Mercer,