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Speaker 4: Cunningham, Billy Cunningham, the great American. Thanks for joining me
Speaker 4: this evening. We had hoped, I think you had hoped
Speaker 4: that somehow, by eight pm Eastern time tonight, a couple
Speaker 4: hours ago, that there would have been some indication by
Speaker 4: Hamas that they would accept the terms and release the
Speaker 4: hostages that are alive and those that are dead back
Speaker 4: to their families in exchange. Israel was prepared to release
Speaker 4: about one thousand, one thousand terrorists back to Hamas. But
Speaker 4: as we sit here now, it's still up in the air.
Speaker 4: There's going to be more talks held tomorrow, I think
Speaker 4: in Egypt, so we'll see what happens with that. If
Speaker 4: it happens during the show tonight, you're going to be
Speaker 4: first to learn about it. We'll see what happens. Secondly,
Speaker 4: the absolute attack on law enforcement George Floyd style is
Speaker 4: now happening in many major American cities that are completely
Speaker 4: out of control. Portland, Chicago, Memphis. At the top of
Speaker 4: the list. Washington, d C, according to the mayor, has
Speaker 4: never been this calm and this good. When I speak
Speaker 4: to a couple US Senators, so those who work in
Speaker 4: and around the Capitol, what Donald Trump has done in
Speaker 4: DC has been markedly better than what it was before.
Speaker 4: In fact, it is safe to walk around Washington, DC
Speaker 4: and haven't been there a few years. Don't intend to
Speaker 4: go back for a while. But it works. Have law
Speaker 4: enforcement present works. One of the saddest things happening is
Speaker 4: the headline now in the Chicago Tribune. Chicago police sources
Speaker 4: blast the apartment's response after officers were told not to
Speaker 4: help federal agents that were being hemmed in by several
Speaker 4: cars and protesters who became riders. On Saturday morning, federal
Speaker 4: agents were rammed and trapped by ten vehicles where anti
Speaker 4: ICE crowds had gathered for days. Nearly a dozen people
Speaker 4: had been arrested that an app went out and the
Speaker 4: federal law enforcement, the ICE officials requested assistance, and they
Speaker 4: were told no and reviewed a computer aided to dispatch
Speaker 4: messages sent to Chicago police by the Chief of Patrol.
Speaker 4: The message instructed Chicago police not to respond to the
Speaker 4: ramming on the southwest side of the city in which
Speaker 4: an armed woman was shot and agents were boxed in
Speaker 4: and surrounded. Many Chicago police denied. Are extremely unhappy about this,
Speaker 4: but it's the world on which we live. In the past,
Speaker 4: when a app goes out, officer needs assistance, you drop
Speaker 4: what you're doing and you run to the scene. You
Speaker 4: save a fellow officer's life. In this case, the federal
Speaker 4: law enforcement was put in risk of harm and death
Speaker 4: and injury by these paid for mobs of left wing protesters,
Speaker 4: and there was no help provided. And according to this statement,
Speaker 4: the Chicago Police itself claimed that the officers failed to respond,
Speaker 4: but they were sent to the scene to manage safety
Speaker 4: and document the incident, so not to assist arrest the criminals.
Speaker 4: Were rather to stand by and watch what's going on.
Speaker 4: That's under the leadership of the mayor of Brandon Johnson.
Speaker 4: I think now is approval ratings down to five or
Speaker 4: six percent. Next year you have a chance in Chicago
Speaker 4: to vote on that. It is sick and it's sad
Speaker 4: because how many times if you're in law enforcement, if
Speaker 4: you're in a highway patrol, if you're in US Marshall Service,
Speaker 4: I FBI, City of Columbus, whatever city you're in, and
Speaker 4: an officer says officer needs assistance, no matter what it is,
Speaker 4: you drop what you're doing in your go for political reasons.
Speaker 4: The leadership in the city of Chicago said no, and
Speaker 4: they will respond to a scene that document what happens,
Speaker 4: but they will not get involved. And this comes on
Speaker 4: the heels of the comments this morning by Christy Noms
Speaker 4: who appeared in Fox and Friends this morning. She said
Speaker 4: cartels and other terrorist organizations terrorist organizations are placing bounties
Speaker 4: on the heads of specific federal immigration agents in a
Speaker 4: move she called dangerous and unpresident There are groups of
Speaker 4: terrorist groups funded by many left wing groups and also
Speaker 4: by China and by Iran, are offering two thousand dollars
Speaker 4: for the capture of an ICE agent and up to
Speaker 4: ten thousand dollars for a murder of an ICE law
Speaker 4: enforcement official. She said, our intelligence in the case these
Speaker 4: people are well organized. They're getting more and more brazen
Speaker 4: as far as attacking police, and they're making plans to
Speaker 4: ambush them and to kill them. Much of what happened
Speaker 4: to Dallas, by the way, recall that one someone high
Speaker 4: on marijuana smoked up who lived in the left wing
Speaker 4: sewer of MSNBC CNN, shot into an ice van thinking
Speaker 4: he would be killing police officers, but he actually killed
Speaker 4: two and the other one just recently died two individuals
Speaker 4: who were here illegally from Nicaragua. And now we have
Speaker 4: evidence that these terrorist groups George Floyd style have put
Speaker 4: bounties on the head of federal law enforcement. And she
Speaker 4: said because it's an ongoing investigation, she didn't specify if
Speaker 4: the agents were from a particular agency or multiple ones.
Speaker 4: He said. She said, they're gangs, cartel members, and known
Speaker 4: terrorist groups who are paid for by left wing organizations
Speaker 4: inside of America but also by Iran and communist Red
Speaker 4: China to cause problems in our major cities. This comes
Speaker 4: on the heels of many attacks on federal law enforcement,
Speaker 4: including a shooting at a Dallas ice facility that killed
Speaker 4: a couple of detainees and injured others. So while this
Speaker 4: is going Onnam also referred to the incident on Saturday
Speaker 4: morning or during a protest, ten vehicles operated by terrorists,
Speaker 4: not protesters. Terrorists boxed in federal law enforcement and ram
Speaker 4: one of their vehicles. The officers inside could not move
Speaker 4: their vehicles. They called out officers need assistance. Help. No
Speaker 4: one showed up from the City of Chicago Police department.
Speaker 4: An officer ended up firing a weapon, and a woman
Speaker 4: who drove herself to the hospital. The armed woman was
Speaker 4: named an a Customed and Border Patrol intelligence bulletin last
Speaker 4: week for doxing agents and posting online certain epithets about
Speaker 4: who they are, where they live, etc. So these are
Speaker 4: the George Floyd riots all over again, in which large
Speaker 4: multinational foundations George Soros and others fund large amounts of
Speaker 4: money to groups these so called paid protesters, paid rioters,
Speaker 4: and they get carried away with what they're doing, and
Speaker 4: then officers are put at risk of being killed, and
Speaker 4: of course is going to happen. It will happen. Now
Speaker 4: I'm surprising it happened so far. She also has promised
Speaker 4: Christy Nomas said that she's going to find out who's
Speaker 4: organizing and paying for these don't call them protesters or demonstrators.
Speaker 4: They're terrorists. Christian Noames that I was in Chicago two
Speaker 4: days ago watching these terrorists and officers engage with them.
Speaker 4: All the protesters are wearing the same gas masks, carrying
Speaker 4: the same kind of signs. Many of them are printed
Speaker 4: with the same font. You know that somebody is funding
Speaker 4: the whole operation, and it's absolutely the truth. In fact,
Speaker 4: I had on a guest a few months back that
Speaker 4: has the ability. It's called protest on demand, and if
Speaker 4: you google a protest on demand, it's right there. This
Speaker 4: one large group. Actually they say we create out of
Speaker 4: the box campaigns, audiences and events to make an impact
Speaker 4: for our clients. These groups go on to say that
Speaker 4: they're looking to create a buzz anywhere at Crowds on Demand.
Speaker 4: We provide clients with passionate demonstrators, rally flash mobs, corporate
Speaker 4: PR events, and lighthearted events such as Papa Rozzi brand
Speaker 4: ambassadors and PR stunts. They do not involve in violence,
Speaker 4: is what they say, and I certainly believe that's the case.
Speaker 4: I don't think you are on the internet and you're
Speaker 4: raising millions of dollars in order to create a crowd,
Speaker 4: and this one group will have protest rallies and audiences,
Speaker 4: events and fan interactions, protests, rallies and advocacy. You go
Speaker 4: to the group, you have to pay millions of dollars
Speaker 4: for several hundred and they're called out end mass with
Speaker 4: loud speakers, dressed appropriately, handing out the signs, and some
Speaker 4: of these hard left wing groups get very angry and
Speaker 4: they start trying to kill police. If you live in
Speaker 4: the left wing sewer, every now and then the lid
Speaker 4: pops off, you you see it, you hear it, you
Speaker 4: listen it, and you watch it, and someone's going to
Speaker 4: be killed in law enforcement, and other have already been
Speaker 4: killed by these so called some lone wolves and some
Speaker 4: others that consider themselves to be part of some international
Speaker 4: movement against the United States of America and against police.
Speaker 4: And whether it's Gaza, whether it's Israel, whether it's Ukraine,
Speaker 4: Communist Red China, the George Floyd crowd. They're out there
Speaker 4: in the major cities, incentivized by Governor Pritzer, by the
Speaker 4: mayors of major cities in Portland and Sacramento, in Chicago,
Speaker 4: New York elsewhere, that this massive left wing, well funded
Speaker 4: organizations will have protest demonstrators and terrorists on demand. And
Speaker 4: what happened yesterday morning in Chicago was sickening and it's
Speaker 4: so wrong, it's awful. So also I want to comment
Speaker 4: briefly if we can, about what's going on in des Moines, Iowa,
Speaker 4: with Ian Roberts by the way at DEI hire in
Speaker 4: des Moines, Iowa, by the des Moines school Board to
Speaker 4: educate thirty thousand kids in des Moines rifle Ripe, complete
Speaker 4: with DEI programming up and down the list. And he
Speaker 4: was a DEI higher I won't call him doctor. Seemingly
Speaker 4: his doctor was a bunch of bs. And maybe his
Speaker 4: college education which a bunch of bs. And now the
Speaker 4: campaign of Jackie Norris, a woman who's on the school board,
Speaker 4: she's chairman of the school board now in des Moines,
Speaker 4: I guess their campaign for Senate next year is on
Speaker 4: the rocks, so to speak, because she was the prime
Speaker 4: candidate to take on whoever the Republicans who are put
Speaker 4: up in the state of Iowa to run for Jony
Speaker 4: Ernst's seat. And Jackie Norris is married to the Iowa
Speaker 4: Democratic Party chairman his name is John Morris Norris and
Speaker 4: their operatives, and she was the one in charge of
Speaker 4: issuing statements, accepting ultimately the resignation. Originally he was put
Speaker 4: on leave with pay, and then all the facts started
Speaker 4: coming out. And if you're this stupid hiring someone like this,
Speaker 4: the last place you should be is the United States Senate,
Speaker 4: for God's sakes, and Homeland Security put out a laundry
Speaker 4: list of the crimes that he's committed over the last
Speaker 4: thirty some years, many involving drug use, possession of weapons,
Speaker 4: second degree criminal possession of a weapon, third degree criminal
Speaker 4: possession of a weapon, also in lawful possession of a
Speaker 4: loaded firearm. For thirty years, Roberts moved in and out
Speaker 4: of the country, working with various campaigns. If he could,
Speaker 4: he traveled freely doing motivational speaking and teaching, and he
Speaker 4: was not shy and trafficked in some prominent circles, running
Speaker 4: in out of democratic power brokers. He was perceived as
Speaker 4: the right kind of person to educate thirty thousand kids
Speaker 4: in Iowa. It turned out the whole thing was a fraud.
Speaker 4: The rap sheet in history of immigration fraud is extensive.
Speaker 4: He lied, repeatedly, committed numerous offenses. Finally caught up with
Speaker 4: him by twenty twenty four. Under the Biden administration, another
Speaker 4: final deportation order was issued because of the crimes he'd
Speaker 4: been committed and the fraud that he committed. Democrats in
Speaker 4: des Moines, Iowa have egg on their face, shall we say,
Speaker 4: they're a bit embarrassed by what happened. This wasn't someone
Speaker 4: to do something relatively unimportant. His job was to educate
Speaker 4: thirty thousand kids in the Des Moines public school system.
Speaker 4: And I would note that a couple hundred walked out
Speaker 4: in protest when he was finally fired for being a criminal.
Speaker 4: That shows you the extent of DEI seeping into the
Speaker 4: body body politic in Des Moines, Iowa. For goodness, goodness sakes,
Speaker 4: you can't imagine this. And for a long time Jackie
Speaker 4: Norris and other liberal Democratic members of the Des Moines
Speaker 4: School Board covered for doctor Ian Roberts and said some
Speaker 4: of these charges can't be true. They wanted to give
Speaker 4: him grace. Well, instead of getting grace, he's going to
Speaker 4: get a prison cell. He was wrongfully in possession of
Speaker 4: loaded weapons, firearms, three thousand dollars in cash, hiding in
Speaker 4: a grove of trees. That's the superintendent of schools. For
Speaker 4: God's sakes. So we got serious issues and one other
Speaker 4: thing I'm going to bring up. I have a guest
Speaker 4: later on this issue. So, in addition to left wing
Speaker 4: groups having bounties on the head of ice officials doing
Speaker 4: their job under the law, In addition to the fact
Speaker 4: that big city police departments are the orders not to help,
Speaker 4: think about that. Addition to all that, we have the
Speaker 4: circumstances involving Charlie Kirk has raised its ugly head. I
Speaker 4: saw a story that Charlie Kirk has his own security detail.
Speaker 4: I played for you the last few Sunday nights comments
Speaker 4: that Charlie made about what would happen if he was shot,
Speaker 4: and we played that for you last Sunday night. No
Speaker 4: need to play it again, but he said he would
Speaker 4: look at the face of Jesus. And I'm going to
Speaker 4: have on later Reverend Lucas Miles from Turning Point USA,
Speaker 4: one of his close confidence confidence who has a book
Speaker 4: out talking about what's happening in America today about paganism.
Speaker 4: Taken over. Story I read deals with the fact that
Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk and the security team was very concerned about
Speaker 4: security at Utah University and that they were concerned about
Speaker 4: the buildings that were one hundred and fifty to two
Speaker 4: hundred yards away. The story I read, you know, the
Speaker 4: Kirk security failings had drone technology. You put up a
Speaker 4: drone and on your laptop or on your on your
Speaker 4: cell phone, you can follow what the drone is videoing
Speaker 4: on top of the buildings. One of these security personnel
Speaker 4: for Charlie Kirk asked the officials at the college, you
Speaker 4: know what about those buildings right there. Charlie's going to
Speaker 4: be sitting on a high seat and he's going to
Speaker 4: be sitting a little higher than the crowd, and there's
Speaker 4: a clean line of sight to those buildings. And the
Speaker 4: security personnel indicated that we have drone technology. We can
Speaker 4: put up a drone for a couple hours and in
Speaker 4: real time see if somebody's on top for the building.
Speaker 4: In fact, there were three buildings had to be covered.
Speaker 4: One drone could cover all three buildings. So the drone
Speaker 4: would have picked up someone running across the building with
Speaker 4: a rifle. So let's take a short break. I'll continue
Speaker 4: with this later and eight six six six four seven
Speaker 4: seven three three seven Bill Cunningham with you every Sunday night.
Speaker 4: Now let's continue with more in Utah Valley University is
Speaker 4: a great university that has grown markedly the past ten
Speaker 4: or fifteen years, and they had about three thousand mainly
Speaker 4: students were there. There was no metal detectors available, but
Speaker 4: there was about twenty foot separation between the front of
Speaker 4: the crowd and Charlie Kirk, and they had armed security
Speaker 4: personnel left and right. I don't know if metal detectors
Speaker 4: would have made any difference in this particular incident, certainly not.
Speaker 4: But when I saw an interview with a retired Secret
Speaker 4: Service agent Tim McCarthy, he was the one shot protecting
Speaker 4: Ronald Reagan in nineteen eighty one, he said he was
Speaker 4: very surprised that the buildings were not covered because that's
Speaker 4: where the risk is. So this one report said that
Speaker 4: Utah Valley University security personnel said, we'll take care of that.
Speaker 4: But the only way to take care of it is
Speaker 4: to put a deputy on top of each of those buildings,
Speaker 4: I would think, or secondly, to have a drone be
Speaker 4: high enough to look at all three at little or
Speaker 4: no expense to anybody. Times have changed, would you agree?
Speaker 4: And I don't know. And then the idea that this
Speaker 4: assassin whose name will never get in my head nor
Speaker 4: leave my lips. Suddenly left the left the rifle to
Speaker 4: be found a couple hundred yards away in a small,
Speaker 4: little wooded area that was broken down in one sense
Speaker 4: or another, and that was an old, old unit, might
Speaker 4: have been as long as old as eighty years old,
Speaker 4: and he left it to be found with his DNA
Speaker 4: on it. Now, that is really stupid. Of course, a
Speaker 4: lot of murderers are really stupid. I think what I'm
Speaker 4: saying is there's lots of questions to be answered about
Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk, and I'm confident that Dan Bongino, Deputy Director
Speaker 4: of the FBI, is going to get them answered. I
Speaker 4: believe that I trust Dan Bongino more than any person
Speaker 4: in the FBI, including the leader. I trust Dan Bongino.
Speaker 4: And if there's anything there there, I like to know it.
Speaker 4: I like to know why the top of those roofs
Speaker 4: were not covered, which would have taken little or no
Speaker 4: time and money, and that was the obvious threat where
Speaker 4: the threat was going to come from. All let's continue
Speaker 4: with more and we'll have We'll take some calls in
Speaker 4: the next hour or so. The number to call is
Speaker 4: eight sixty six six four seven seven three three seven.
Speaker 4: Federal officials have requested local assistance when they're under assault
Speaker 4: by terrorists inside the city of Chicago, and it was
Speaker 4: denied same way in Portland, which is completely out of control. Oregon,
Speaker 4: and now lawsuits are flying left and right at California
Speaker 4: are going to send the National Guard to Oregon, and
Speaker 4: Texas may send the National Guard to Illinois. Now the
Speaker 4: judges will be back involved. What's wrong with public safety?
Speaker 4: And why wasn't Charlie Moore protected Bill cunning into Great
Speaker 4: American with you every sing oh, let's continue whenever saw it,
Speaker 4: We're simply continue. I'm just saying that Charlie Kirk, I
Speaker 4: watched many of his videos, believed his life was in jeopardy,
Speaker 4: and he related it publicly and privately. I'm going to
Speaker 4: get killed. In fact, I played for cuts from you
Speaker 4: about what's going to happen when you get shot, and
Speaker 4: he related when he gets shot what he's going to do.
Speaker 4: So in his mind, with his lovely wife, Erica, and
Speaker 4: with his two little little babies, and with the idea
Speaker 4: that my life is in danger, I have so many
Speaker 4: death threats it's unbelievable. And you see the violence against
Speaker 4: turning point USA on college campuses. Even now at Tennessee
Speaker 4: State it's happening repeatedly. Violence is occurring. And he had
Speaker 4: security guards that were pretty good retired law enforcement, and
Speaker 4: so they wanted to have metal detectors, but that's not
Speaker 4: possible at Utah Valley University. It's an open air campus,
Speaker 4: be very difficult to do that. So they created a
Speaker 4: boundary at which no one could get this side, at
Speaker 4: least the security the armed security officers on either side
Speaker 4: of Charlie Kirk. If somebody close inside would take a
Speaker 4: shot at him, they would have a clear line of
Speaker 4: sight to see the person and respond appropriately. And Charlie
Speaker 4: was told by some you ought to get some bulletproof glass,
Speaker 4: put it in front of you, and Charlie said, I
Speaker 4: can't operate like that. I don't want to do that,
Speaker 4: he said, my hands are My life's in the hands
Speaker 4: of the Lord anyway. Absolutely, and the Lord permits ugly
Speaker 4: things to happen to good people because individuals evil ones
Speaker 4: like the assassin, has free will. And so the security
Speaker 4: guard in that guard. According to one news story, I
Speaker 4: saw got there, looked up and saw the rooftops of
Speaker 4: those buildings where they perfect line of site right to
Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk, and so we have to get those buildings covered.
Speaker 4: And according to this media account, the police at Utah
Speaker 4: Valley University said, we'll take care of it. Thinking, okay,
Speaker 4: you have a cop on top of the building and
Speaker 4: each one a line of site directly one hundred and
Speaker 4: it wasn't two hundred yards. It was about one hundred
Speaker 4: and sixty yards away with a scope and it wasn't done.
Speaker 4: Why wasn't it done? I have no idea. After what
Speaker 4: happened in Butler County, Pennsylvania, I would think that'd be
Speaker 4: after you have some sort of twenty foot barrier away
Speaker 4: from then guards right there looking at the crowd. The
Speaker 4: next area of concern would be the top of those buildings,
Speaker 4: and you could easily see if drone technology was available,
Speaker 4: which the Charlie Kirk organization has, that could put a
Speaker 4: drone in the air and watch all three top of
Speaker 4: the buildings. Somebody running across with a rifle likely would
Speaker 4: have set off alarms. Do you agree, at a minimum
Speaker 4: have other security guards on top of the building with
Speaker 4: a nice chair to watch what's going on. And it
Speaker 4: didn't happen, so you can look back in time, what
Speaker 4: could have happened, what should have happened or might have happened.
Speaker 4: I know what did happen this media report. I saw
Speaker 4: the security personnel for Charlie said we got to get
Speaker 4: those buildings covered, and the police said we'll take care
Speaker 4: of it, and somebody didn't. I'm sure lawsuits whatever down
Speaker 4: the road will be found by somebody at some point.
Speaker 4: We'll see what happens. Let's continue. But summer is over
Speaker 4: and it's now fall more or less. Although in Cincinnati
Speaker 4: feels like it's eighty five degrees going to be loose
Speaker 4: twenty five degrees the next two days. That's a different issue.
Speaker 4: But the cities are broiling because the mayors and the
Speaker 4: governors in blue cities and blue states will not support
Speaker 4: law enforcement. Look at the status of Chicago, Look at
Speaker 4: the status of the water tire and the Magnificent Mile.
Speaker 4: Look at the status of Michigan Avenue. Look what's happening
Speaker 4: in Portland. It looks like a third world city. Homelessness,
Speaker 4: drug use abounds. And my beautiful little city of sins Cincinnati,
Speaker 4: we have shootings every night. We have a out of
Speaker 4: touch mayor. Completely have to have pureval as the guy's name.
Speaker 4: He has no clue what's going on. He say how
Speaker 4: safe the city is, and it's not. But Cincinnati is
Speaker 4: about ten years behind New York and Land. The way
Speaker 4: to secure the cities are the high local law enforcement
Speaker 4: along with the National Guard as appropriate. And we'll see
Speaker 4: what happens. But now we're told now according to the
Speaker 4: story on Fox News, that some of the terrorist organizations
Speaker 4: that put bounties on the head, bring me the head
Speaker 4: of dead ice officers or others. According to Christy nome
Speaker 4: tooth and kidnappings are going to be popular to kidnap
Speaker 4: some money, but with ice and the mayor of Chicago
Speaker 4: and the governor has ordered that its law enforcement not
Speaker 4: assists federal law enforcement. That's where we are. Let's continue
Speaker 4: in your calls. Number to call is eight sixty six
Speaker 4: six four seven seven three three seven. And my first
Speaker 4: guest in about thirty minutes or so is going to
Speaker 4: be the Reverend Lucas Miles, a Turning Point, USA, a
Speaker 4: close confident of Charlie Kirk and Erica. His new book
Speaker 4: is out Pagan Threat dealing with the school systems and
Speaker 4: elsewhere in law enforcement. And certainly this is very appropriate
Speaker 4: so let's continue with Alex in Wisconsin and then Edward
Speaker 4: and Tampa Bay number to two. We have three lines
Speaker 4: open if you call now eight six six six four
Speaker 4: seven seven three three seven. Alex in Wisconsin, Welcome to
Speaker 4: the Bill Cunningham Show. And Alex, how are you?
Speaker 5: I am doing good?
Speaker 4: How are you doing doing well? Doing well? I think
Speaker 4: we have issues. I think we've got problems. Hopefully we're
Speaker 4: going to work for right.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, And that's one of the things that I
Speaker 5: was calling the boat in. And it's not just in
Speaker 5: big cities, billets, everywhere that the crime rate's just gotten horrible.
Speaker 4: And the issue is, isn't law enforcement incentivized now not
Speaker 4: to arrest people, to look the other way? Isn't that true?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: And I think it's messed up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, tell me your experiences there in Wisconsin. You
Speaker 4: live in a small town, give me your experiences.
Speaker 5: And the really crazy part too, is the police stations
Speaker 5: right by my hopes and the crime rate in the
Speaker 5: city that I live in is just it's crazy. And
Speaker 5: the fact that the police station's right there, it doesn't
Speaker 5: really matter, It doesn't even make a difference.
Speaker 4: Do you think the police are incentivized not to arrest
Speaker 4: criminals because the political the political leadership doesn't want that
Speaker 4: to happen. I'll give you my example. In Cincinnati. We
Speaker 4: used to have an effective Cincinnati Police department one thousand officers.
Speaker 4: They're down to about nine hundred. It should have a level,
Speaker 4: so we're down twenty percent. And the cops are told
Speaker 4: by the mayor and others don't pull people over for
Speaker 4: traffic violations like speeding or reckless operation because you have
Speaker 4: to find out you get you show me your life license,
Speaker 4: proof of insurance registration. It opens up at Pandora's box
Speaker 4: of other stuff. So we put speed bumps all over
Speaker 4: all over town because cops are told don't pull people over.
Speaker 4: We have large numbers of individual individuals illegally smoking marijuana
Speaker 4: all over the city of Cincinnati and drug use. We
Speaker 4: have about a thousand homeless doing all kinds of bad
Speaker 4: stuff and the arrest don't take place because the mayor
Speaker 4: and city council doesn't want it to happen. And the
Speaker 4: same thing is true in Chicago. Being a Chicago cop
Speaker 4: under Brandon Johnson's got to be a joke.
Speaker 5: Well, and you want to know what's really scary too,
Speaker 5: is I'm completely blind. I can't even imagine, do you
Speaker 5: knowify myselfs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, Alex, I say, I'm going to say a
Speaker 4: prayer for you tonight and that somehow sanity must be
Speaker 4: returned to the people of Wisconsin, the people of America.
Speaker 4: Let's continue. Let's continue now with Thomas and the great
Speaker 4: state of Florida. Thomas and Florida. Welcome to the Bill
Speaker 4: Cunningham Show. Thomas Ower, I'm good, sure.
Speaker 7: How are you, sir?
Speaker 8: I'm a big fan of truck travery right now. I
Speaker 8: was just mildly concern was you know again, I know
Speaker 8: what the security with Charlie Kirk is that you know,
Speaker 8: we have a we have a code gush truckers safety first,
Speaker 8: and you know, I just thought that, you know, his
Speaker 8: life might have been spared if there was more precautions,
Speaker 8: like if the roof wasn't confirmed that they were secured,
Speaker 8: you know, he should have never been out in public.
Speaker 8: I don't know, I does that make any sense, like
Speaker 8: he should have never been if there was any doubt
Speaker 8: at all, if these guys would have combed the roof
Speaker 8: or went above and beyond. Does that make any sense
Speaker 8: to me?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, you know, I read this story. They want
Speaker 4: They wanted the roofs covered, and they were told by
Speaker 4: their local police, we will cover the roof. Now, if
Speaker 4: I'm one of the security guards, and I love Charlie Kirk,
Speaker 4: and I know Erica, and I know his I know
Speaker 4: his kids. I know he's got a concern about getting shot.
Speaker 4: And I'm looking around that event. Where am I looking.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm looking twenty feet in front of me. Yes,
Speaker 4: right there. But then you know you can you can
Speaker 4: get eyeballs and those twenty people and you're armed in there.
Speaker 4: That's a problem. I get. I get not having a
Speaker 4: metal detector on a college campus. I get that. However,
Speaker 4: those roofs after Butler County, Pennsylvania should have been covered
Speaker 4: by somebody, and why they weren't. I want to hear
Speaker 4: more about this because there's other people appearing in public
Speaker 4: that you know, yours truly is going to be at
Speaker 4: some turning point event in a public area, and I
Speaker 4: like to look around and see if the roofs are covered.
Speaker 4: The roofs have got to be covered, and they weren't,
Speaker 4: and they were, and Charlie's guys were told we'll take
Speaker 4: care of it.
Speaker 8: That's a massive sir, that's the sage.
Speaker 6: If they weren't covered.
Speaker 8: Why would Charlie go out there? Why would they let
Speaker 8: him out if they couldn't confirm that the roofs won't
Speaker 8: carve right like you would think he would do a
Speaker 8: last minute sorrow check. No, the roof's not covered, you're
Speaker 8: not going out there, and just you know, insist, no, Charlie,
Speaker 8: you're not going out. We can't come it. We don't
Speaker 8: know if the roofs are covered, you can't go by
Speaker 8: what right with? Other people are saying, okay, well we're
Speaker 8: going to provide the security for you, right. Does that
Speaker 8: make sense?
Speaker 4: Yes? I watch. I watched the twenty minutes, the first
Speaker 4: twenty minutes, and once I watched the actual bullet hitting
Speaker 4: his throat and he was a sitting duck under that
Speaker 4: tent from those roofs, and I just think was it
Speaker 4: was it a lone wolf who didn't know what he
Speaker 4: was doing, radicalized by his life, using his grandpa's rifle,
Speaker 4: he kept it in an area that was going to
Speaker 4: be found. Why does an assassin do that? I have
Speaker 4: no idea. Why did Lee Harvey Oswald leave behind the
Speaker 4: gun at the six floor? I don't know why criminals. Sure,
Speaker 4: I don't know why that's the case, but Thomas, I'd
Speaker 4: like to have a more thorough investigation. I like to
Speaker 4: have Dan Bongino and FBI Director Patel and others say,
Speaker 4: at some point, Okay, it's been my gosh, I can't
Speaker 4: believe it's been almost thirty thirty days, but we are
Speaker 4: to have some indication happened September September tenth. We got
Speaker 4: to have some indication that we're gonna investigate this thing.
Speaker 4: We're gonna find out what happened, how it happened, why
Speaker 4: this event take place, to teach us how to handle
Speaker 4: other events. I mean, in the Kennedy assassination, the idea
Speaker 4: of a president riding through a major city with no
Speaker 4: bubble up and waving at people like John F. Kennedy
Speaker 4: and Dealey Plaza until that happened, That happened all the time.
Speaker 4: I can see pictures of him in Ireland and thousands
Speaker 4: of people, and put him in a situation where if
Speaker 4: somebody wanted to assassinate him, it was obvious there's John F.
Speaker 4: Kennedy's head right there. And after what happened in Butler County, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 4: I would like to think that an area one hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty yards away with a perfect line of sight
Speaker 4: to Charlie Kirk. It's something I like to have somebody
Speaker 4: tell me FBI Director Patel or Dan Bongino or somebody
Speaker 4: Cash is to say, you know what, we're investigating this thing,
Speaker 4: and it is everything we're being told accurate that somehow
Speaker 4: this kid who was radicalized by the sewer of left
Speaker 4: wing politics, who was shall we say, dating or living
Speaker 4: with a transsexual, a transgender individual who hated Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 4: Because by the way, Charlie Kirk had love in his
Speaker 4: heart for everyone. Race create made no difference. I've watched it.
Speaker 4: I watched him perform often with African Americans, with gay individuals, transgender,
Speaker 4: whatever it is, love in his heart for everyone. It's
Speaker 4: a lie that he was anti Semitic, or that he
Speaker 4: was anti black or and I gay, whatever it might,
Speaker 4: it was a lie. And I just like to have
Speaker 4: Cash Ptell or Dan Bongino at some point say we're
Speaker 4: going to conduct a thorough investigation, which they've done now
Speaker 4: with the assassin, But what happened that allowed that assassin
Speaker 4: to be on the roof. What happened in Butler County, PA.
Speaker 4: That allowed that attempt at assassin to be in that position.
Speaker 4: And for the last long since what last August, that
Speaker 4: story is dead as a doornail. How did it happen?
Speaker 4: How did you get the weapon? There's been no reporting
Speaker 4: on it at all. And now I use the term
Speaker 4: our guys are involved. Our guys are involved. Let's take
Speaker 4: a short break. I think the next call might be
Speaker 4: from Russia. So we're gonna get to Russia find out
Speaker 4: what the feeling is. Plus, I want to set up
Speaker 4: the rest of tonight's big show. Bill Cunningham, the Great
Speaker 4: American with you every Sunday night. All right, Now, we
Speaker 4: don't get a lot of calls from Moscow, I mean Russia,
Speaker 4: Bob and Moscow, Russia. Welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show.
Speaker 4: Didn't you call me about a year ago? Year or
Speaker 4: two ago?
Speaker 7: Ps year or two ago? And I'm still here. I
Speaker 7: have a I'm a Catholic also, and I have everything
Speaker 7: that's going on with I'm Charlie Kirk, Donald Trump. All
Speaker 7: this all started with Pope John the Second when he
Speaker 7: was shot, same situation. He loved the people, took care
Speaker 7: of the not the rich, the wealth, He's took care
Speaker 7: of all people. His shooting is the same thing that
Speaker 7: happened with Donald Trump shooting is the same thing that
Speaker 7: happened with Charlie kirk shooting. They're trying to eliminate.
Speaker 5: People that actually care about.
Speaker 7: The world in the United States, and they're all similar situations.
Speaker 7: They're all tied together, no security.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's amazed that someone could get one hundred and
Speaker 4: fifty yards away from Donald Trump in the summertime of
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four with a claire shot at his head.
Speaker 4: And the only reason the trump Ster lives is that
Speaker 4: he went to tarned to the right, which you seldom
Speaker 4: did that early, to look at a chart and that
Speaker 4: saved his life. By the way, can you tell me
Speaker 4: the status of living in Russia today? I read things
Speaker 4: like long lines for gasoline. There's a little bit of
Speaker 4: bubbling uncertainty about Vladimir boutin Russia, maybe in the virtue
Speaker 4: of collapse. Do you feel comfortable talking about that.
Speaker 7: I can talk something, but first of all, I want
Speaker 7: just to finish up with what we're talking about with
Speaker 7: what one with Charlie Kirk. What is the similarity between
Speaker 7: the shooting of Charlie Kirk and the shooting of John
Speaker 7: Paul the Second.
Speaker 4: Well, you tell me one was a bulgarian or something
Speaker 4: who hated what John Paul the second student, No, no.
Speaker 7: No, Charlie Kirk's wife forgave the man. John Paul the
Speaker 7: Second for gave the man.
Speaker 4: In fact, he met with that, he met with him.
Speaker 7: That's what believing in gotda being a true catholicus you forget,
Speaker 7: you know, it's very hard.
Speaker 4: Well, the Christ forgave the thaif on the cross next
Speaker 4: to them, he forgave him tonight. And so John Paul
Speaker 4: the Second when I got out of the hospital, met
Speaker 4: with that bulgarian and forgave him. And Erica Kirk two
Speaker 4: days after the event, having just kissed her husband's forehead
Speaker 4: when they shut the coffin, forgave the murderer of her husband. Now,
Speaker 4: how about that?
Speaker 6: And that?
Speaker 7: And that's what a true believer in God and faith
Speaker 7: and the Lord Jesus Christ does. But getting back to Moscow,
Speaker 7: the only places there's lyes for gasoline are just like
Speaker 7: what happens in the United Stits in California, I'm sure
Speaker 7: because of the refinery's burning there right, there's could be
Speaker 7: lyings in Gasolina type for Gasolina type because when he
Speaker 7: cut off supply at some point, there's could be lyings.
Speaker 7: Everything's gotten more expensive, just like in the United States.
Speaker 7: But part of the reason why I'm here is because
Speaker 7: my healthcare in the European healthcare system that's available over
Speaker 7: here that's not available in the United States. Medicines from
Speaker 7: Germany are so much cheaper. I paid one. I'm sixty
Speaker 7: three years old. I paid one five hundred dollars a
Speaker 7: year for full coverage of healthcare, private coverage, without coverage
Speaker 7: for medication.
Speaker 4: Well, what about living in a communist country with Vladimir
Speaker 4: pot and you just keep your head down and don't
Speaker 4: say anything bad about the government.
Speaker 7: Actually, if you haven't lived in a foreign country or
Speaker 7: lived here, I actually have more freedom here to speak
Speaker 7: about Christianity or walk. And I'm sixty three years old.
Speaker 7: There's not a place in Moscow right now than I'm
Speaker 7: not afraid to walk it in the evening or at
Speaker 7: night by myself. So there's pros and cons of both countries.
Speaker 7: I mean the governments are different, yes, but things are
Speaker 7: more straightforward here right now than they are in America.
Speaker 7: I mean, you go to a pro sporting event. In America,
Speaker 7: half the people are drunk. Now, you go to a pro,
Speaker 7: go to a you go to a pro sporting events.
Speaker 7: Here in Russia, no alcohol is service.
Speaker 4: We have to run. Call me back in a few months.
Speaker 4: But I would not want to live in the communist country,
Speaker 4: no matter any circumstances. Although there are elements of safety
Speaker 4: there that aren't existing here. But I'm an American, Bob,
Speaker 4: thanks for calling me. Coming up, We're going to put
Speaker 4: a call into the Reverend Lucas Miles re Turning Point, USA.
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Speaker 1: Now he was the man who's been recognized as radio's best,
Speaker 1: the recipient of not one but two prestigious Marconi Awards
Speaker 1: for his broadcast excellence.
Speaker 3: The one and only Bill Cunningham.
Speaker 4: I Bill Cunningham, the Great American. Of course, on September
Speaker 4: the tenth, a terrible event took place. Some have compared
Speaker 4: to the Kennedy assassinations of Martin Luther King Jr. That
Speaker 4: is the murder of Charlie Kirk in Utah. It was
Speaker 4: incredibly It broke about quarter to three Eastern time, a
Speaker 4: flash across the screen. I was on the air when
Speaker 4: it happened, and talk about a shock. And here we
Speaker 4: are three or four weeks later and still having a
Speaker 4: process exactly the impact of this janan you and on
Speaker 4: alis Pastor Lucas Miles, he's the senior director of Turning
Speaker 4: Point USA Faith and best selling author. Book is out
Speaker 4: of brand new one which is Pagan Threat Confronting America's
Speaker 4: Godless Uprising. And Reverend Miles, welcome, I think for the
Speaker 4: first time to the Bill Cunningham Show before we talk
Speaker 4: about your book, which is number one everywhere. I think
Speaker 4: it'll double and triple and sales says the work gets
Speaker 4: out even more. Can you talk about where you were
Speaker 4: when you learned that Charlie had been murdered and the
Speaker 4: impact on his organization.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I was actually out of the country when I
Speaker 10: got the news. We'd had a very busy you know,
Speaker 10: obviously last eighteen months or so with my role there
Speaker 10: at TPUSA Faith, and I had talked to Charlie and
Speaker 10: told him, I said, hey, we're looking taking vacation He's like, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 10: go just get away, just shut everything down and just
Speaker 10: you need that time. And my wife and I were
Speaker 10: down in Arubo with another dear couple friend of ours,
Speaker 10: and my assistant had told me, he said, I'm not
Speaker 10: only going to call you if something major happens. And
Speaker 10: I'm sitting by the pool down there, middle of our
Speaker 10: trip and I see the phone ring and my heart
Speaker 10: just sank. I knew right away something was wrong. He
Speaker 10: told me Charlie had been shot. We don't know how
Speaker 10: bad it is. Start getting home now, and we weren't
Speaker 10: able to get a flight for the next day, and
Speaker 10: it's it's just been NonStop since then.
Speaker 4: Lucas Miles, why did you have that feeling? Were you?
Speaker 4: Were you foretold? Was it predicted? I've seen some of
Speaker 4: the YouTube clips about Charlie Kirk talking about his death.
Speaker 4: Not too many thirty one year olds talk about their death.
Speaker 4: Why'd you have that pit in your stomach?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 10: I just knew I was only going to get a
Speaker 10: call if something was wrong. Otherwise my assistant would have
Speaker 10: emailed me, he would have sent me a message on
Speaker 10: telegram to look at later. But when I saw the
Speaker 10: phone ring, I knew it wasn't good. Now, I didn't know,
Speaker 10: you know, it wasn't my wildest imagination that that was
Speaker 10: going to be what the call was. But I just
Speaker 10: knew something was problematic at a higher level at that point,
Speaker 10: and you know, it just didn't seem real. It still
Speaker 10: doesn't seem real, honestly. It's just, you know, you kind
Speaker 10: of go back and forth between that grief and denial,
Speaker 10: and I just want to text Charlie and ask him,
Speaker 10: you know, what does he think about all this, you know,
Speaker 10: or what do we do next?
Speaker 11: You know?
Speaker 10: And so I think all of our staff is kind
Speaker 10: of going through that process. But I'll tell you what,
Speaker 10: there is such a spirit of resolve over the whole
Speaker 10: team at TPUSA. Charlie was such a great leader. He
Speaker 10: laid out an action plan for a really long time.
Speaker 10: There's you know, Erica, you know, everybody is. She's just
Speaker 10: been a stabilizing force for the whole organization. And so,
Speaker 10: you know, we're filled with grief, but there's a lot
Speaker 10: of work to do, and in Charlie Kirk fashion, we're
Speaker 10: getting up and we're going back to work. And we
Speaker 10: got a country and a world to.
Speaker 4: Save here and without America. The world has lost this
Speaker 4: submission of Charlie Kirk's beginning about thirteen or fourteen years ago,
Speaker 4: was impossible to go on college campuses. I've seen hundreds
Speaker 4: of hours of YouTube clips of what happens to them
Speaker 4: on college campuses. He wins almost every argument because he right,
Speaker 4: what are some of the threats? What do you diagnosis
Speaker 4: and threats we face as America.
Speaker 10: Yeah, So in my book pagan Threat, one of the
Speaker 10: things I try to bring people's attention to, and whately
Speaker 10: the thesis of it is this is that you know,
Speaker 10: by and large, paganism as a whole was dead.
Speaker 7: GK.
Speaker 10: Chesterton said so himself. But the problem with paganism is
Speaker 10: it tends to resurface periodically. And so what is happening
Speaker 10: now is in order for a Marxist agenda to be
Speaker 10: able to thrive in America, America, Americans have to forget
Speaker 10: their Christian worldview. We have to forget our roots. We
Speaker 10: have to, you know, so you have to tear down statues,
Speaker 10: you have to you have to wipe away the memory
Speaker 10: of any sort of history that points to Christ or
Speaker 10: our Christian founding. And so in order to do that,
Speaker 10: they're thrusting this paganism onto our youth of today. You know,
Speaker 10: everything from witchcraft, a sorcery, to the occult to you know,
Speaker 10: it's in movies, it's in TV, it's in pop culture,
Speaker 10: it's in music. And they're just trying to change the ethos,
Speaker 10: the the moral standard in America because if they can
Speaker 10: do that, and they reduce the value of human life
Speaker 10: that the Christian worldview promotes, then they can actually institute
Speaker 10: a Marxist takeover this nation.
Speaker 4: You talk about abortion on demand, including the abortion pills,
Speaker 4: talk about ubiquitous crime everywhere. The presidents finally sent in
Speaker 4: some federal troops to Portland and the Memphis to tamp
Speaker 4: it down. You talk about what's happening on college campuses
Speaker 4: relative to the indoctrination to the left, and it almost
Speaker 4: seems insurmountable. And at this point I worried that after
Speaker 4: Charlie was murdered on September the tenth, that the movement itself,
Speaker 4: after three to six to nine months would dissipate, that
Speaker 4: the leaders such as yourself, pastor Lucas Miles, would find
Speaker 4: other events, other things would happening. We're not quite a
Speaker 4: month out. What is your feeling looking back as far
Speaker 4: as planning the next several years. So the messenger was murdered,
Speaker 4: but the message must live in a structural way. He
Speaker 4: was the rock star. He was a Paul McCartney of
Speaker 4: the Beatles, you know, he was Elvis. He was the guy.
Speaker 4: And when you lose that kind of a messenger Martin
Speaker 4: Luther King Junior type, it's really difficult to find Ralph
Speaker 4: Abernathy to take his place. In fact, no one ever could.
Speaker 4: Do you have a concern looking back in five years,
Speaker 4: those five years ago by quickly as the last five
Speaker 4: years have gone by. Why do you have such confidence
Speaker 4: that this movement will not die with the messenger having
Speaker 4: been killed, but the message must live. Why do you
Speaker 4: say that?
Speaker 10: You know, I think there's a couple of things we
Speaker 10: have to look off look at. So, first off, when
Speaker 10: it comes to turning point, USA, Charlie, build a really
Speaker 10: strong bench, our board, our contributors, our c suite level
Speaker 10: team members. Now having Erica as CEO, we are in
Speaker 10: a really strong position. Our donors are committed. I think
Speaker 10: the nation is behind us, our churches are committed to
Speaker 10: working with us, and so there's a lot of unity
Speaker 10: and structure there to be able to sustain this for
Speaker 10: years to come. And we have so much of Charlie's content.
Speaker 10: Although he has gone from this earth in a physical sense,
Speaker 10: his voice is going to ring out and we're going
Speaker 10: to make sure of it for literally decades and decades
Speaker 10: to come, and so that every you know, he's immortalized
Speaker 10: now in the sense that you know, he's forever young,
Speaker 10: his voice is going to stay that way. The difference
Speaker 10: between some of these other movements we've seen in the past,
Speaker 10: with MLK and others, is that, you know, we didn't have,
Speaker 10: you know, hundreds of thousands of hours of four K
Speaker 10: video content with three different angles to be able to
Speaker 10: really share the heart. So Charlie is still speaking today
Speaker 10: all over the Internet and that's going to continue. I
Speaker 10: think additionally, when it comes to revival, that component of it,
Speaker 10: you know, God brings revival. This is something we can't
Speaker 10: just fabricate, but I think that we can help stewart it,
Speaker 10: and so we're working with our churches and that's really
Speaker 10: my primary role is working with churches across the country
Speaker 10: to help stewart this season of revival. My own church
Speaker 10: has doubled in attendance during this timeframe. I've gotten that
Speaker 10: same message from so many other pastors across the country.
Speaker 10: There's a move of God happening right now, and I think,
Speaker 10: you know, we just we can't Charlie Kirk. I'm never
Speaker 10: going to be Charlie Kirk. Nobody else is ever going
Speaker 10: to be Charlie Kirk. I just want to be the
Speaker 10: best Lucas Miles that I can in my generation to
Speaker 10: fulfill what God. You know, He's always on my life.
Speaker 4: Reveren, if you can talk about the lost white male,
Speaker 4: I've seen all the reports the studies had on a
Speaker 4: guest from The New York Times a couple months ago
Speaker 4: about the lost white male who finds himself disconnected, disjoin it,
Speaker 4: has no personal relationships, someone lost in the world of
Speaker 4: porn or lost in the world of gaming. The murder
Speaker 4: of Charlie Kirk seemingly was lost in both worlds. He
Speaker 4: was a young man. You have pictures of young men
Speaker 4: that have created caused many of these disasters, political assassinations.
Speaker 4: You have the event Mormon Church Later Day Saints fifty
Speaker 4: miles north of Detroit being leveled to the ground. And
Speaker 4: that guy was like thirty nine or forty years old.
Speaker 4: But he had brain difficulties. How do you address yourself
Speaker 4: to the lost to white male who feels as if
Speaker 4: he lives in a toxic male oriented society. Male toxicity
Speaker 4: is everywhere. I watched Charlie Kirk's response to the to
Speaker 4: the toxic mail and it was a beautiful response. But
Speaker 4: can you address yourself to the lost white male?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 10: Absolutely, So, you know what we're seeing right now is that.
Speaker 10: And I think it's important to recognize across this entire generation,
Speaker 10: and this would go for probably millennials as well as
Speaker 10: gen z is there is a tremendous amount of trauma
Speaker 10: that these generations have endured and sustained, you know, and
Speaker 10: you've got to remember, at forty years old, that individual
Speaker 10: is a millennial, right, you know, the older millennials are
Speaker 10: forty years old now, and so you know, in the
Speaker 10: case of the Mormon shooting and so the you know, this,
Speaker 10: this is what's it, you know, contributed by starts with
Speaker 10: nine to eleven, multiple wars in the Middle East. We
Speaker 10: have things like that, you know, Columbine and the rise
Speaker 10: of school shootings. At the same time, you have this
Speaker 10: increase of the digital footprint, video games, dark places in
Speaker 10: the internet, chat rooms and forums, you know, places to
Speaker 10: explore and you know kind of get into all these
Speaker 10: emotional things that people are feeling that turn very dark
Speaker 10: oftentimes you have you know, combined with that, we see
Speaker 10: the rise of gender ideology transcault, We have COVID, We
Speaker 10: have the isolation that was experienced a lot of these
Speaker 10: younger people. They missed prom they didn't get to date anybody,
Speaker 10: they didn't get to you know, run around with their
Speaker 10: car and you know, with friends and hang out. There
Speaker 10: was isolation. They were stuck in their house, they were
Speaker 10: doing school by video, and there's ramifications of that. We
Speaker 10: were all warning about that during COVID, and now we're
Speaker 10: seeing the fruit of those policies you know, played out,
Speaker 10: and so we have to go to where these people are.
Speaker 10: We have to reach them. Charlie was just a brilliant
Speaker 10: strategist at reaching people in the digital space. And you know,
Speaker 10: his video has been seen by literally billions of people
Speaker 10: and they're going to continue to be seen. But we
Speaker 10: have to keep being you know, strategic in our generation.
Speaker 10: You know, Charlie is not here physically to you know,
Speaker 10: to do that himself. We got to pick up the
Speaker 10: baton and every single one of us, you know, have
Speaker 10: to do our part to really build, to reach people,
Speaker 10: to help the hurt and ultimately lead them to Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4: Pastor Lucas Miles. I saw a treaty he's on Salon,
Speaker 4: a website that I'm sure many do not attend, but
Speaker 4: nonetheless it's a liberal website about the message with Charlie
Speaker 4: Kirk being anti female. The message was it is very
Speaker 4: positive to meet a man, to be in a sense
Speaker 4: him the leader of the family. He's to protect to
Speaker 4: the provider, and that is a mother. To stay at
Speaker 4: home is anti female. The average female today gets married
Speaker 4: when she's about twenty nine, the average male about thirty one.
Speaker 4: And so therefore the message is stay at home, barefoot
Speaker 4: and pregnant and cook, prepare dinner, and be the homemaker.
Speaker 4: And that message by Salon was terrible that girls and
Speaker 4: young women are being told the only way you can
Speaker 4: be successful in life is to find a man, to
Speaker 4: get married, to have children, to be a homemaker. And
Speaker 4: the Salon, a liberal website, says Charlie Kirk's message was
Speaker 4: anti female, trying to hold women back. How would you
Speaker 4: respond to that.
Speaker 10: One, Well, I would say if he's trying to hold
Speaker 10: women back. He did a very bad job of it
Speaker 10: because so many of our staff at GPUSA are female
Speaker 10: and they're executives and their leaders within the organization. Charlie
Speaker 10: was a champion of a humanity period. He believed in
Speaker 10: and understood the Biblical design that we see there's differences
Speaker 10: between men and women, and we celebrate those differences. That
Speaker 10: doesn't mean that you know, uh, there has to be
Speaker 10: this or that they're you know, there shouldn't. That never
Speaker 10: leads to dominance. That never leads to you know, control
Speaker 10: in some sort of sense. We would be, you know,
Speaker 10: against anything like that. In scripture, would be against anything
Speaker 10: like that. And so I think that you know, you
Speaker 10: see these things. Obviously they're taking one sound bite and
Speaker 10: they're going to use that and pull that out of context.
Speaker 10: But I think those around Charlie, those that watched his videos,
Speaker 10: you know, a lot of his base was were females
Speaker 10: that were finding freedom and hope and encouragement in the
Speaker 10: message that he was sharing about liberty and about Jesus
Speaker 10: Christ and about family and really how to you know,
Speaker 10: follow God's plan for your life. And I think that
Speaker 10: those that you know, uh, actually tuned in to hear
Speaker 10: his full statements on those things. That's what they experienced.
Speaker 4: Pastor Lucas Miles. A turning point, uh is this is
Speaker 4: this movement open to Jews, to Muslims, to seeks to
Speaker 4: those who do not believe in God whatsoever. The three
Speaker 4: points of Charlie Kirk was number one God and number
Speaker 4: two is family. Number three is America. Is this message
Speaker 4: if you're a Jew, if you're a Muslim, if you're
Speaker 4: a Sikh, if you're some other sect I guess a
Speaker 4: Mormon certainly is the best people I've ever met in
Speaker 4: my life are Mormons, by the way. But nonetheless, is
Speaker 4: this message open to Jews and the Muslims?
Speaker 10: I think it depends on what message we're talking about. So,
Speaker 10: first off, the message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
Speaker 10: is open to all people who would put their faith
Speaker 10: in him. That is the inclusivity of the gospel. But
Speaker 10: the exclusivity of the gospel is that only those who
Speaker 10: receive Him by faith are able to become children of God.
Speaker 10: That's from a Christian theological standpoint. But if we're talking
Speaker 10: about the message of conservatism, the message of liberty, the
Speaker 10: message of some of the work that say, maybe our
Speaker 10: secular side at Turning Point Action or Turning Point USA
Speaker 10: is doing on college campuses that you will find, you know,
Speaker 10: Charlie was always a big tent, you know, thinker. We
Speaker 10: have people from all different backgrounds, you know that that
Speaker 10: have come alongside the Turning Point brand that have been
Speaker 10: part of our chapters, have been part of our groups.
Speaker 10: And that's not something that is inherently Christian to that,
Speaker 10: although a lot of our people happened to be Christians,
Speaker 10: and I think that that liberty and freedom you know,
Speaker 10: really originate from a Christian idea in that sense. But
Speaker 10: we have people from all different backgrounds that partner with us.
Speaker 7: You see that.
Speaker 10: You know, we're you know, even displayed in some of
Speaker 10: our speakers, you know that we work with. So I
Speaker 10: oversee you know tp USA faith, which is you know,
Speaker 10: kind of our our our church driven arm of that.
Speaker 10: So I work with a little bit different base of
Speaker 10: individuals than what Turning Point USA and Turning Point Action
Speaker 10: you know, are working in within a daily basis.
Speaker 4: Is it dangerous out there? I saw what happened in
Speaker 4: Tennessee State University and which there were three or four
Speaker 4: representatives and they were literally had their placards, they were
Speaker 4: torn up, the chairs who were overthrown. There was like
Speaker 4: a mini riot. The police show up even after the
Speaker 4: death has been almost a month now of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 4: And is it still dangerous out there to be a
Speaker 4: Christian to believe in God, family and country? How dangerous
Speaker 4: isn't And have you seen the recent videos on college campuses.
Speaker 4: The violence has not stopped.
Speaker 10: You know, I think it's been dangerous to be a
Speaker 10: Christian for about two thousand years, and I think that
Speaker 10: it's going to continue to be dangerous to be a
Speaker 10: Christian until the Lord returns. The Bible says in John
Speaker 10: fifteen that you know, Jesus says specifically that they will
Speaker 10: hate you because they hated me first talking about himself,
Speaker 10: and so you know, we know that there is a
Speaker 10: hatred for Christians in this world because people who are
Speaker 10: rebelling against God and have hatred for God are going
Speaker 10: to hate His children, his people, his name, his voice
Speaker 10: in any of those sayss I believe that Charlie was
Speaker 10: silenced not for his political views, but because he was
Speaker 10: a Christian, because he stood on biblical principles, because he
Speaker 10: testified to his faith. He died of murder, and so yeah,
Speaker 10: it is dangerous, but you know, our love in the
Speaker 10: same way that God loves us enough to send his
Speaker 10: son to die, we love the world enough in Christ
Speaker 10: to be willing to put ourselves in dangerous positions and
Speaker 10: at the risk of personal peril in order to share
Speaker 10: this gospel. Obviously, we want to be smart. I would
Speaker 10: encourage any church out there they should have security right
Speaker 10: now that if they should be rethinking their plan. We've
Speaker 10: seen an uptick in church violence, all of those things.
Speaker 10: All of us have to be thinking about this. This
Speaker 10: is not just you know, turning point USA, but but ultimately,
Speaker 10: you know, we believe that this life, it's a butt
Speaker 10: of vapor and it is worth the risk to be
Speaker 10: able to lead somebody else to you know, out of
Speaker 10: a pit of hell into an eternal relationship with Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4: Now, lastly, how's Erica doing?
Speaker 11: Is she?
Speaker 4: Her speech I thought two days after the event was
Speaker 4: one of the greatest things I've ever seen. It was,
Speaker 4: I believe. It was on Friday night, about nine pm,
Speaker 4: two days after her husband was murdered, and she related
Speaker 4: somewhere that she wanted to to see his body.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 4: He she went into the morgue and and looked at
Speaker 4: his face in the hand, a slight smile on his face,
Speaker 4: and she said, it's relatable because the second he was dead,
Speaker 4: the next second he saw the face of Christ and
Speaker 4: that was reflected on his face. How's Erica doing?
Speaker 10: You know? I think anybody who goes through tragedy and
Speaker 10: and just just such a heinous event at this level
Speaker 10: is going to have a wide array of emotions. All
Speaker 10: of us here, you know, we are cycling through feelings
Speaker 10: of you know, probably disbelief and anger and these things.
Speaker 10: But I think Erica has made very clear, you know,
Speaker 10: where she stands on this. We saw her ability to
Speaker 10: really just grab a hold of God's grace and unconditional
Speaker 10: love and something that was truly supernatural when she, you know,
Speaker 10: uttered those words, I forgive you, know, I forgive you.
Speaker 10: I mean, this is it's so powerful. It's this is
Speaker 10: a difficult time, as you can imagine, but God's grace
Speaker 10: is really, you know, I think, falling on all of
Speaker 10: us here at TPUSA, and I think that we've really
Speaker 10: looked to Erica to to be able to be that
Speaker 10: stabilizing for or see her navigate through this with such
Speaker 10: resolve and grace and strength and stability despite a men's
Speaker 10: pain has been a real unifying factor. I think for
Speaker 10: all of us.
Speaker 4: Pastor Lucas Miles, thank you the book as Pagan Threat,
Speaker 4: and that title puts the cheese on the cracker. Pagan threat.
Speaker 4: It's everywhere. Pastor Lucas Miles, You're a great American. Bill Cunningham,
Speaker 4: the Great American. Live with you every Sunday Night by
Speaker 4: Billy cunning in the Great American. And I will continue
Speaker 4: to follow what's happening with Turning Point USA had Charlie
Speaker 4: Kirk on a couple of times. I've met myself available
Speaker 4: in Midwest to go to certain rallies. I will stand
Speaker 4: up tall and proud for the legacy of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 4: So when you have a Pagan threat book written by
Speaker 4: Reverend Lucas Miles, who is a close associate of Charlie
Speaker 4: Kirk and things of that character, I kind of want
Speaker 4: to stay close to this group because this bullet cannot
Speaker 4: change the trajectory of what Charlie Kirk contended. It simply
Speaker 4: cannot happen. All let's continue with more coming up next.
Speaker 4: As Erica Snsey, she's the founder of Parents defending education.
Speaker 4: Bill cunning Him to Great American with you every Sunday night,
Speaker 4: Bill Cunningham, the Great American. Of course, if you've listened
Speaker 4: to me the past several years, certainly public education isn't
Speaker 4: complete turmoil. Although I'm very familiar with happening in Cincinnati
Speaker 4: public schools, the same as true in Chicago or Austin,
Speaker 4: or Sacramento or New York. I could not imagine being
Speaker 4: in Atlanta public school where that its education must be.
Speaker 4: Like I've referenced before that many of these kids come
Speaker 4: out as marching Marxist. The average twelfth grader in Chicago
Speaker 4: reads about the eighth grade level. It's in doctrination, not education,
Speaker 4: and it's getting worse, it's not getting better. Jonaan you
Speaker 4: and I. I is doctor eric Osanzi. She's a public
Speaker 4: relations director with defunding, defending education, et cetera, and defunding
Speaker 4: education as it is today. And Erico, welcome, I think
Speaker 4: for the first time to the Bill Cunningham Show. Before
Speaker 4: we get into your article at OutKick, which I think
Speaker 4: was fabulous, can you kind of tell us what's happening
Speaker 4: with doctor Ian Roberts, the superintendent des Moines, which is
Speaker 4: illustrative of a larger problem.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, this is one of those stories that
Speaker 11: you actually feel like it's like made for a move
Speaker 11: to be made into a movie. Every time I checked
Speaker 11: the news, another shoe has dropped related to this guy.
Speaker 11: But essentially, you know, the Des Moines Public Schools that has,
Speaker 11: you know, thirty five thousand students hired this man, doctor
Speaker 11: Ian Roberts, to become their superintendent.
Speaker 5: His salary plus benefits.
Speaker 11: All in per year with three hundred and five thousand dollars.
Speaker 11: And it turns out that he appears to just be
Speaker 11: kind of like a con man. So he was arrested
Speaker 11: the end of last week by ice or detained I
Speaker 11: think the word right, detained by ice because there was
Speaker 11: an active deportation order out for him which was issued
Speaker 11: under the Bibe administration in May of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 7: When he was.
Speaker 11: Pursued by the Ice agents, he abandoned his car and
Speaker 11: took off in like some sort of like woods or
Speaker 11: like they think they said it was like a brushy area,
Speaker 11: left a loaded gun in his car three thousand dollars
Speaker 11: in cash. So that's already like a pretty big story.
Speaker 11: But it turns out that he also had lied about
Speaker 11: his credentials, had lied about getting a doctorate from Morgan State,
Speaker 11: which he never did, so he was going by doctor
Speaker 11: back when he was working in the DC Public School
Speaker 11: in twenty twelve, but he didn't actually get his or
Speaker 11: his doctorate until twenty twenty one. And I think it
Speaker 11: was kind of from one of those like online diploma
Speaker 11: mill type places. He misrepresented being a citizen on his
Speaker 11: I nine and he also left behind he worked at
Speaker 11: a school in Pennsylvania and left in his wake four
Speaker 11: hundred and five thousand dollars in legal settlement costs for
Speaker 11: the district, all directly related to him. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 11: I don't you never want to relish in a story,
Speaker 11: but it really does like it just it's it's insane.
Speaker 11: And then when you see what his ideology was, when
Speaker 11: you see what the policies were in des Moines under him,
Speaker 11: it just all makes sense.
Speaker 4: He was a classic dei higher. He fit the formula
Speaker 4: of the liberals of the Poinne Board of Education. And
Speaker 4: I suppose one of the women, one of the ladies
Speaker 4: that hired him, is now running for the Senate. And
Speaker 4: I want to take the place of Jody Ernst next year,
Speaker 4: and I'm reading this describe that explain that one.
Speaker 11: It's even worse than that. So, first of all, I
Speaker 11: hate to say this because this does make me sound sexist,
Speaker 11: and that's fine. This is an all female school board,
Speaker 11: and I do think that's relevant because of the way
Speaker 11: that empathy is much more easily weaponized with women. Number Two,
Speaker 11: the ch the board chair. This woman who is the
Speaker 11: chair of the board was in the past Michelle Obama's
Speaker 11: chief of staff, perfect and she's now running for a
Speaker 11: US Senate. And the funniest thing is she made a
Speaker 11: video a few days ago saying, I've been so busy
Speaker 11: with my volunteer job as a school board chairs the
Speaker 11: past week that i haven't had time to can work
Speaker 11: on my campaign, So please donate money. So she's literally
Speaker 11: she's fundraising off a massive failure, which I don't know
Speaker 11: that just kind of that takes a lot of I
Speaker 11: don't know what to think that people are going to
Speaker 11: want to give you money because you are now like
Speaker 11: a nationwide spectacle because of your Either two things, one
Speaker 11: of two things happened.
Speaker 9: Either this was.
Speaker 11: Ideology that had taken over and had you know, blinded
Speaker 11: them to reality, or this is completing competence.
Speaker 4: Well, doctor Ian Roberts is not a doctor. I'm watching
Speaker 4: one of the immigration lawyers representing the Trump administration who says,
Speaker 4: thirty years ago he was involved in drug dealing. He
Speaker 4: was picked up illegally. He's from the nation of Guyana
Speaker 4: in South America. Every part of his life is fake.
Speaker 4: And now the Moine Board of Education is saying, well,
Speaker 4: we hired this other company to do the proper investigation.
Speaker 4: All it takes is a computer and Google to find
Speaker 4: out this guy does not have a life at all
Speaker 4: other than as a trickster and a hoaster. And when
Speaker 4: the gig was up, he ran in a car, parked
Speaker 4: the car illegally in a field, ran hide behind some
Speaker 4: bushes and trees with a gun illegally, a knife illegally,
Speaker 4: and with three thousand dollars in cash. And this is
Speaker 4: the person the Liberal Democrats in Des Moines, Iowa wanted
Speaker 4: to lead thirty thousand kids in the public school system.
Speaker 4: I can imagine the results of the testing in that
Speaker 4: school district with this guy in charge. And one of
Speaker 4: the scoreboard members wiped away tears as she spoke in
Speaker 4: Spanish during the Tuesday night acceptance of his resignation and
Speaker 4: the students, how about this one, Erica Sonzi, how about
Speaker 4: this one. There were about fifteen or twenty students who
Speaker 4: walked out Wednesday or Wednesday morning in protest. They were
Speaker 4: unhappy they lost their good looking superintendent who fed all
Speaker 4: the DEI principles. How about the students themselves saying we
Speaker 4: want him back.
Speaker 11: Well, again, this is another thing with that weaponization of empathy,
Speaker 11: right where you convince these kids that in order to
Speaker 11: be a good person, they have to stand up for
Speaker 11: this guy. Now, I've worked in enough schools to know
Speaker 11: most students don't know who the superintendent is. So if
Speaker 11: there was an overwhelming awareness of this guy by students,
Speaker 11: that's also kind of strange. So the fact that they
Speaker 11: would be And again you're going to see these the
Speaker 11: parents who are protesting again why because it's about these
Speaker 11: identity boxes. For them, he doesn't matter what he did wrong.
Speaker 11: We've seen this so many times over the past few years,
Speaker 11: that people will make excuses and lower the bar if
Speaker 11: people check off certain identity boxes. And that's clearly what
Speaker 11: happened here, because it's all indefensible no matter who he is.
Speaker 11: But again, but for some of these people for whom
Speaker 11: this ideology has sort of like broken their brains. Yeah,
Speaker 11: they they're still kind of clinging to the idea that
Speaker 11: he was the right guy for the job.
Speaker 4: Liberal females were encaptured with the way he appeared, had
Speaker 4: had the right kind of hair, representation, always looked great,
Speaker 4: represented very well. It was all a fake and a fraud.
Speaker 4: Before we talk about your column, which I think is
Speaker 4: fabulous at at OutKick, I want to talk briefly about Chicago,
Speaker 4: and I'm reading a headline Chicago Teachers Union Morn's death.
Speaker 4: A convicted seventies cop killer and revolutionary and this got
Speaker 4: small strift in the mainstream media. But back in the
Speaker 4: nineteen seventies, there was a woman who took the name
Speaker 4: of Asada Shakur, literally convicted of killing a police officer.
Speaker 4: His name was State Trooper New Jersey Warner Forster. And
Speaker 4: she was convicted in nineteen seventy seven. No question, she
Speaker 4: did it. She was convicted, And somehow I must have
Speaker 4: missed this one. Her band of renegades and revolutionlutionaries broke
Speaker 4: her out of a female state prison in New Jersey
Speaker 4: and she made her way to Cuba. And so for
Speaker 4: the last time. Almost fifty years she's been living in
Speaker 4: Cuba and every president has tried to get her back
Speaker 4: because she convicted, no questions, she killed a cop as
Speaker 4: a revolutionary act. Well, she died about a week ago,
Speaker 4: and the Chicago Teachers' Union mourns the death of convicted
Speaker 4: seventies cop killer and revolutionary Assada Shakor. These are the
Speaker 4: teachers in Chicago. This is a cop killer in Cuba,
Speaker 4: they said, rest in power, rest in peace. Today we
Speaker 4: honor the life and legacy of a revolutionary fighter, a
Speaker 4: fierce writer, a revered elder, a black liberation and a
Speaker 4: leader of freedom whose spirit continues to live in our struggle.
Speaker 4: Assawda refused to be silenced. She taught us so much.
Speaker 4: So I'm reading this so last week Chicago teachers honored
Speaker 4: a cop killer as a revolutionary. Why isn't that a
Speaker 4: bigger deal?
Speaker 11: So I saw a lot about this, probably because I
Speaker 11: was on X a lot, and I would say too. Again,
Speaker 11: it is important for listeners to know that the union
Speaker 11: leadership is very radical, yes, and the rank and file
Speaker 11: are much less so, though the rank and file often
Speaker 11: are unaware of what their leadership is doing and saying
Speaker 11: so but yeah, no, Well, we get to remember this
Speaker 11: is the same teachers union who also said that anyone
Speaker 11: who wanted schools to reopen during the pandemic was a
Speaker 11: racist and a misogynist, which actually an a white supremacist,
Speaker 11: I believe. So this this is one of the craziest, most.
Speaker 5: Unhinged teachers unions in the country.
Speaker 11: I am not surprised that they came out and said that,
Speaker 11: because that is who they are, and they it literally
Speaker 11: makes me think of like it like if we were
Speaker 11: going to like ads a be like wanting to honor
Speaker 11: Timothy McVay or something right where you you know, she
Speaker 11: in addition to killing being a cop killer, I believe
Speaker 11: she was also a bank robber.
Speaker 4: Correct.
Speaker 11: And the mayor of Chicago was asked about this now,
Speaker 11: and he's also a total whack job who used to
Speaker 11: run this name this he used to run this union.
Speaker 11: To give you a sense, I mean, he's just like
Speaker 11: he's like a radical revolutionary type. And uh, he didn't
Speaker 11: condemn what the union said. He basically said.
Speaker 7: That she.
Speaker 11: What's the word I'm looking for here? She proclaimed her
Speaker 11: innocence throughout, and he said that, you know, when she
Speaker 11: was convicted, you couldn't get a fair trial in this
Speaker 11: country if you were a person of color, he said,
Speaker 11: so basically, he defended the the Union by saying she's
Speaker 11: probably innocent because you couldn't get a fair trial back then.
Speaker 4: She's a victim, and so her revolutionary band broke her out.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 4: The reason I issue on today is is your column
Speaker 4: and OutKick headline is teachers who delight in murder and
Speaker 4: assassinations are un fit for the job. You go on
Speaker 4: to write, millions of kids in this country love Charlie
Speaker 4: Kirk saw I'm executed on livestream. You go on to
Speaker 4: say that there's a question of fitness for the job,
Speaker 4: and you have some of the quotes of teachers and others.
Speaker 4: Quote another Nazi dead resting urine, Charlie Kirk. You also
Speaker 4: the teachers have said, I've watched a video over and
Speaker 4: over like fifty times, love every fraction of a second
Speaker 4: of it. It gets better with every watch. That's from
Speaker 4: a teacher quote. Yes I'm celebrating. Yes I hope he
Speaker 4: rots another one far right, buttholes have a target on
Speaker 4: their backs. One down, millions to go. So these are
Speaker 4: teachers in the classroom celebrating in cold blood the murder
Speaker 4: of Charlie Kirk. Explain that one to me.
Speaker 11: So these are all quotations that I pulled from social
Speaker 11: media platforms. So these were k through twelve teachers who
Speaker 11: took to public platforms to celebrate this asassity. They were
Speaker 11: not said in the classroom, they but they were put
Speaker 11: out on a public platform in the immediate aftermath of
Speaker 11: that murder. And again, like, as I'm wearing my former
Speaker 11: teacher hat and my parent hat, this is a question
Speaker 11: of fitness. You're not fit for the role of to
Speaker 11: be educating other people's children in a compulsory education system
Speaker 11: if this is the way that you behave publicly after
Speaker 11: political assassination. And to me, it doesn't matter who the
Speaker 11: it doesn't matter who is who gets killed. This behavior
Speaker 11: of this behavior of delighting and murder is something that
Speaker 11: maybe if my cashier at Wendy's, or my Amazon driver
Speaker 11: or my mechanic, you know, if if they do that
Speaker 11: and I know about it, I can take my business elsewhere.
Speaker 11: But that to me is totally different than the adults
Speaker 11: who have custodial care of other people's children. And again
Speaker 11: I have to say, like, this is a compulsory education system,
Speaker 11: and we don't let parents choose they have to send
Speaker 11: their kids to a school that they're residentially assigned to
Speaker 11: unless they have the means to make other arrangements. So
Speaker 11: to say that kids are being forced back into classrooms
Speaker 11: with adults who celebrated the murder of somebody that many
Speaker 11: of these kids didn't just look up to and admire,
Speaker 11: but he was like a daily part of their sort
Speaker 11: of social media diet, and they saw him snuffed out
Speaker 11: in an instant. And then they have to listen to
Speaker 11: the teacher, you know, or they at least have to
Speaker 11: know that their teacher thinks that's great.
Speaker 4: And doctor Sanzi, I'm glad you had that delineator. I'm sorry, I.
Speaker 11: Think I think you're mixing me up with doctor Ian Roberts.
Speaker 4: That's it, Eric of defending Education and the columns at OutKick,
Speaker 4: I want to say this, I'm against cancel culture. That
Speaker 4: we all have rights of freedom of expression, freedom of speech.
Speaker 4: I draw the line if I'm ordering a meal at
Speaker 4: a restaurant, if someone a postal worker, someone like that,
Speaker 4: have doing ministerial functions of one type or another. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm saying, okay, I can, but i don't want somebody
Speaker 4: in charge of my health, like the anesthesiologist from Miami,
Speaker 4: Florida who went on another a woman by the way,
Speaker 4: who talked about how happy she was that Charlie Kirk
Speaker 4: is murdered. I don't want a college professor. I don't
Speaker 4: want someone who's at teaching my kids in school with
Speaker 4: these with this value system, some of the other cuts
Speaker 4: that you have about teachers. Quote, I can't believe people
Speaker 4: are actually mourning this. I can't use the word quote.
Speaker 4: Hearing that Charlie Kirk got shot and died really brightened
Speaker 4: up my day. Another one said, I'm glad he's dead.
Speaker 4: Another one out of social media said, what a piece
Speaker 4: of garbage. This is what happens. He met his maker.
Speaker 4: But let's be very clear that maker is not in
Speaker 4: have Charlie Kirk is not in heaven. He's in hell
Speaker 4: right now. That's from teachers on social media. So explain
Speaker 4: again to the American people why this is not cancel culture.
Speaker 11: Well, this is not cancel culture because this is a
Speaker 11: question of fitness for the job. And we as parents
Speaker 11: delegate the authority to schools to serve in local parents
Speaker 11: during the school day. That means that these are people
Speaker 11: that are tasked with educating other people's children. To me,
Speaker 11: behaving that way is a sign that your moral compass
Speaker 11: is completely broken. And if that broken moral compass is
Speaker 11: gonna you can't force me to make my kids spend
Speaker 11: their time with somebody like that.
Speaker 7: Yes, because there's two reasons.
Speaker 11: One delighting and murder. And by the way, a political
Speaker 11: assassination of somebody in the midst of a debate on
Speaker 11: a college campus that clearly is just qualifying, but so
Speaker 11: is the lack of judgment. It takes two. Again. They
Speaker 11: didn't whisper this to their spouse, They didn't like say
Speaker 11: this when they were out to dinner with their friends,
Speaker 11: right they put it on a public platform for the
Speaker 11: world to see. So that tells me that they just
Speaker 11: they lack any judgment or all judgment required to be
Speaker 11: in that kind of a position with other people's children.
Speaker 11: Because right now, like there are kind of trapped have
Speaker 11: I mean, when you look at middle school and high
Speaker 11: school kids, especially boys, Charlie Kirk was, they probably saw
Speaker 11: him on their phones every single day. Many of them
Speaker 11: admired him, looked up to him, thought he was relatable,
Speaker 11: thought he was able to say things if they wish
Speaker 11: they could say, but they're afraid to say. Liked his politics,
Speaker 11: so they liked him. Other people, it wasn't politics. He
Speaker 11: was kind of a faith leader for them, so they
Speaker 11: looked after him for that reason. For some kids, it
Speaker 11: was just finally a regular guy that just like speaks
Speaker 11: the truth, whatever it was. They saw his life extinguished
Speaker 11: right before their eyes. When we talk about kids not
Speaker 11: having boys don't have role models. Boys don't have role models.
Speaker 11: That's why we literally watched one of them be murdered
Speaker 11: in front of their eyes, and then their teacher goes
Speaker 11: out and says that that's a good thing. I mean,
Speaker 11: couldn't the kid wonder? Couldn't the kid wonder? Gee? I
Speaker 11: wonder if my teacher would be excited if I was killed.
Speaker 4: We have to run. But Erica Sanzi defending education. The
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Speaker 4: again to the Bill Cunningham Show. Before we talk about
Speaker 4: James Combe and all that kind of stuff, give me
Speaker 4: your sense of where we are. We're about four or
Speaker 4: five days in in the government shutdown. All it would
Speaker 4: take is for the Democrats, five or six more Democrats
Speaker 4: in the Senates to say, you know what, enough is enough.
Speaker 4: We'll have a clean cr and we're going to vote
Speaker 4: for the same continuation of federal spending as we voted
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Speaker 4: this thing right now, and they're Republicans saying, well, let's
Speaker 4: just keep the Biden budget going, and the Democrats are
Speaker 4: going nuts. Give me your perspective if any.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, I think the Democrats own this bill.
Speaker 12: I mean, I think the Democrats are going to cave eventually.
Speaker 12: Already three of them voted with the Republicans. And by
Speaker 12: the way, Fetterman is looking like the most reasonable Democrat
Speaker 12: in Congress. If only you had more Democrats like Setterment.
Speaker 12: But I do think they're going to they're going to
Speaker 12: cave eventually. I think they're going to get the heat.
Speaker 12: I think Republicans should just stand firm. Democrats are trying
Speaker 12: to get in this what they couldn't get into one
Speaker 12: big beautiful bill, which is basically healthcare for illegals. So
Speaker 12: this is all on them. As you said, Schumer went
Speaker 12: ahead with the clean cr back in March. In the interim.
Speaker 12: You got a lot of heat for doing that. AOC
Speaker 12: is breathing down his neck, and you know, it's politics,
Speaker 12: and he's worried about his position, and the left we
Speaker 12: hang is now with certain control, and you know this
Speaker 12: is what we end up with.
Speaker 4: I kind of have to think, Jeff Career, how does
Speaker 4: this end? I assume it's going to be the next
Speaker 4: payday to miss they have the federal workers have not
Speaker 4: missed the payday yet. The last one was September thirtieth.
Speaker 4: The next one's the fifteenth, and so the paychecks are
Speaker 4: supposed to come. And in the past, well when these
Speaker 4: eighteen other shutdowns took place, they ever paid anyway. And
Speaker 4: so we until the fifteenth, there's nothing, nothing much to do.
Speaker 4: So this could go on for a while, and this
Speaker 4: will give the Trumpster an opportunity to right size the
Speaker 4: federal government, the bureaucracy, be careful for what you wish.
Speaker 12: Well, that's what he talked about doing it. It'll be
Speaker 12: an opportunity for him to make some serious cuts in government.
Speaker 12: I mean, we know the government's too big. I mean, Bill,
Speaker 12: we've got a thirty seven plus trillion dollar debt that
Speaker 12: we have to take care of. And the president has
Speaker 12: a unique opportunity here. It should take advantage of it.
Speaker 12: And the Democrats are in disarret. They are totally all
Speaker 12: over the board on the far far left. You don't
Speaker 12: have any voices of reason, really very few, and the
Speaker 12: president is just driving them crazy. They're just filled with anger.
Speaker 12: And you know they're talking about the president being you know,
Speaker 12: mentally incompetence. I mean, of course they said nothing when
Speaker 12: Biden was president for four years. They just said he
Speaker 12: was sharp as attack. And now they're worried about the
Speaker 12: mental competence of the president. It's crazy.
Speaker 4: A few days ago, ahead on Senator Ran Paul the
Speaker 4: only Republican in the Senate that voted against us. He
Speaker 4: voted with Chuck Schumer, and he said, look, the Republicans
Speaker 4: want to spend and borrow over this fiscal year, the
Speaker 4: one coming up, this one about two trillion dollars want
Speaker 4: to borrow that, and that Democrats want to borrow three trillion,
Speaker 4: and either it's two or three trillion. At some point
Speaker 4: we're gonna have one hell of a problem in this
Speaker 4: country because if we're not the reserve currency, or if
Speaker 4: the other nations of the world and certain funds do
Speaker 4: not want to buy our debt, we're gonna need whalebarrels
Speaker 4: going to the grocery store to get a loaf of bread.
Speaker 4: And so doesn't Rand Paul have a point about borrowing
Speaker 4: under Trump's plan and additional two trillion dollars every year
Speaker 4: for the next several years. Doesn't he have a point?
Speaker 7: He?
Speaker 12: I mean, he has a great point. I mean I
Speaker 12: understand where he's coming from. I mean, I understand his
Speaker 12: fiscal common sense. I mean he's one of the few
Speaker 12: that really holds the line on spending. And he was
Speaker 12: one of the few voices that called athels during COVID.
Speaker 12: So I mean he's got a record as a truth teller.
Speaker 12: Problem is, of course, that you know, they don't have
Speaker 12: enough like him. I mean, he's out there on an
Speaker 12: Island and it's just him.
Speaker 8: So I mean, we need.
Speaker 12: More that are that are fiscally responsible and give him
Speaker 12: some you know, colleagues to work with. Right now, I mean,
Speaker 12: it's just Ran Paul on the Senate side. There's maybe
Speaker 12: one or two on the House side, but he's right.
Speaker 12: I mean, we've got to seriously reform spending. And that
Speaker 12: was one of the problems with the One Big Beautiful
Speaker 12: Bill is because of the added debt that it created.
Speaker 12: So that was a legitimate criticism, but you know, the
Speaker 12: Republicans said that they had to pass it otherwise we'd
Speaker 12: have these massive tax increases which we can't allow. So
Speaker 12: you know, we were stuck well, and I probably would
Speaker 12: have voted for it too, because I wouldn't want to
Speaker 12: see any taxes go up either.
Speaker 4: You know, my friend Congressman Tom Massey was the one
Speaker 4: in the House that said, no, we can't afford this.
Speaker 4: Maybe there's something in the water in the state of Kentucky,
Speaker 4: but nonetheless, part of it, part of this requirement of
Speaker 4: Chuck Schumer is that the five hundred million, the half
Speaker 4: of billion dollars be issued to NPR within three days
Speaker 4: of opening the government. And so I thought we had
Speaker 4: that debate concluded. The NPR has its viewpoint. And the
Speaker 4: reason Democrats fight like warrior poets to keep NPR is
Speaker 4: because they're a democratic outlet. It's not well publicized. But
Speaker 4: the Democrats want five one hundred million dollars to refund
Speaker 4: NPR and PBS, and that's not been well publicized.
Speaker 12: And we've got to stand firm against that because that's
Speaker 12: already been decided. They want to revisit all these things, Bill,
Speaker 12: which is what you're just talking about. By the way,
Speaker 12: do you know that none of these PBS and PR
Speaker 12: stations have gone out of business. I mean, all of
Speaker 12: them have been able to survive by asking their viewers
Speaker 12: and listeners to donate. So they just had to cut
Speaker 12: back some, but they're still on the air. None of
Speaker 12: them have completely closed their doors. So they didn't need
Speaker 12: all of this federal large s. They didn't need it.
Speaker 12: So we've got to stand firm on that. We cannot
Speaker 12: be funding any entities that just present one side of views.
Speaker 12: This is supposedly for the whole country, and they're all
Speaker 12: their board, all their programming, all their executives are left wing,
Speaker 12: and we shouldn't be in the business of left wing propaganda. Jeff,
Speaker 12: for no question, back down on that bill. We can't
Speaker 12: back down.
Speaker 4: You know, maybe they could fund you and me. Maybe
Speaker 4: they could fund certain parts of conservative maybe they conserve.
Speaker 4: Maybe they could fund conservative talk radio. That would never happen.
Speaker 4: And the reason they fight so hard for NPR and PBS,
Speaker 4: and the reason they fight so hard for late night
Speaker 4: comics the jimmies are unfunny is because they represent democratic viewpoints.
Speaker 4: And the reason they fight so hard for New York
Speaker 4: Times Washington Post is because they're the outlets of the
Speaker 4: radical left. We have to get into this column here
Speaker 4: road on September twenty ninth, about the FBI faces along
Speaker 4: road to redemption. Let's go over the sins in the
Speaker 4: crimes of James Comy, going back at least to twenty sixteen.
Speaker 4: Explain that to the American people.
Speaker 12: James Comy is a liar. He lied about the Steele dossier,
Speaker 12: He lied about Hillary Clinton's emails. He should have prosecuted her,
Speaker 12: but he didn't. He went after General Flynn in a
Speaker 12: very handed way. He basically is a tool of the
Speaker 12: left that was being used to try to bring down
Speaker 12: Donald Trump. He's lied. Now that they have charged him
Speaker 12: with perjury. He lied about what he did by you know,
Speaker 12: slipping information to his friend who got it published. And
Speaker 12: what he was trying to do as he was walking
Speaker 12: out the door was to make sure that there would
Speaker 12: be a Muller investigation going after the president, and he
Speaker 12: successfully got this special counsel created, and you know he
Speaker 12: lied about it. So he's on record line as the
Speaker 12: President Trump posted, it should be easy to be able to,
Speaker 12: you know, get a conviction on this guy. The problem
Speaker 12: is that the judge is a Biden appointed judge. So
Speaker 12: that's always seems to be something that the Democrats benefit from.
Speaker 12: The venue is a little bit different. It's in you know, eastern.
Speaker 7: Virginia.
Speaker 12: It's not in DC, thank goodness. So maybe we have
Speaker 12: a little bit better chance for justice. But the Democrats
Speaker 12: have such built in advantages from the judges, to the juries,
Speaker 12: to where the venues are. But this man is a disgrace.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, you're saying your column as FBI Director James
Speaker 4: Comey was a disaster. He should have charged Hillary Clinton,
Speaker 4: exonerated Donald Trump, and completely dismissed the bogus THEO dossier.
Speaker 4: He should never have authorized warrant applications based on lies
Speaker 4: or sanctioned that should be leaked to the New York Times,
Speaker 4: which was a crime. He summarily lied to Congress. In fact,
Speaker 4: even CNN and those who represent the far left wing
Speaker 4: have said, I've watched it. Well, James Comy lied. Of course,
Speaker 4: he didn't tell the truth to Congress. But that's no
Speaker 4: big deal because a lot of people lie to Congress.
Speaker 4: So you have former US attorneys saying, well, of course
Speaker 4: he lied to Congress. But let's face it, everyone does,
Speaker 4: so it's okay. But just on the issue of charging
Speaker 4: Hillary Clinton, for those who forgot the summer of twenty sixteen,
Speaker 4: what did he say Hillary Clinton had done that should
Speaker 4: have resulted in her indictment for maybe thirty three thousand counts?
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean he went through the whole list of
Speaker 12: things that she had done. She lied, She lied over
Speaker 12: and over and over again about her thirty three thousand emails.
Speaker 12: But he made the bogus claim that no prosecutor would
Speaker 12: indict her, and that, of course is another lie right there,
Speaker 12: because I think any reasonable prosecutor would have He said
Speaker 12: that they wouldn't, so I mean he was covering for her.
Speaker 12: Even though Hillary is upset with James Comy because he
Speaker 12: brought up the Anthony Wiener laptop toward the end of
Speaker 12: the campaign, and of course they went through the Anthony
Speaker 12: When Your Laptop in record time and was able to
Speaker 12: say that they went through it all and there was
Speaker 12: nothing there. But Hillary still has bitter towards James Comy,
Speaker 12: but nothing compared to Donald Trump is what he did
Speaker 12: with the pre So yeah, I think the president's happy
Speaker 12: about this indictment. I think the American people should be.
Speaker 12: But he's not the only FBI director who's lied. His
Speaker 12: successor lied as well.
Speaker 4: Christopher Ray. You say, no longer the f BAD director
Speaker 4: are facing the same legal problems as James coming. Didn't
Speaker 4: Christopher Ray lie about the two hundred and seventy five
Speaker 4: FBI agents and informants working the Capitol on January the sixth.
Speaker 12: Yeah, he said he didn't believe that they were any
Speaker 12: He didn't believe that they were any and they were
Speaker 12: two hundred and seventy four. Now Cash Brittel later said
Speaker 12: that they were there, you know, after it had started
Speaker 12: for crowd control. Either way, Christopher Ray knew very well
Speaker 12: what was going on. I mean, we've been lied to
Speaker 12: about Jay six from the beginning Bill, you know about
Speaker 12: the pipe bombers, the whole way that these protesters were
Speaker 12: allowed to, you know, go in there. They've just opened
Speaker 12: up the the barricades and allow them to go in
Speaker 12: and then charge them for that. And then there were
Speaker 12: instigators from Antifa and the police and the FBI, and
Speaker 12: these people were set up, a lot of them, and
Speaker 12: of course they were treated so horribly. And look at
Speaker 12: how that George Floyd protesters were treated with kid gloves.
Speaker 4: Well, the one hundred thousand protesters on January the sixth,
Speaker 4: it was well known weeks in advanced planes, trains, buses,
Speaker 4: and cars. The FBI knew what was coming. In fact,
Speaker 4: they embedded these two hundred and seventy four or others
Speaker 4: into the various crowds, which is a good tactic. They
Speaker 4: used it with the Ku Klux Klan for a long time,
Speaker 4: but they would never use it with Antifa. But nonetheless,
Speaker 4: that's a different story. But they knew, or should have known,
Speaker 4: exactly what was planned because their agents were involved with
Speaker 4: the groups coming to Washington to protest, and so of
Speaker 4: course they knew, and Christopher Ray acted as if we
Speaker 4: had no clue what was going on when they knew
Speaker 4: what was going to happen.
Speaker 12: Yeah, and Christopher Rays, the guy who said that the
Speaker 12: biggest threat that we face is you know, white supremacists,
Speaker 12: that they're the biggest threat to America. I mean, what
Speaker 12: a joke, what a liar. And of course his handling
Speaker 12: of the Jay six thing has been atrocious from the
Speaker 12: very beginning. I'm hoping the cash Betel is going to
Speaker 12: give us some answers about the pipe bomber, about you know,
Speaker 12: the extent of these agents. Some good things are going on.
Speaker 12: We got rid of some of the folks who were
Speaker 12: kneeling when the whole George Floyd mess was going on
Speaker 12: that we're trying to show there Christs for social justice.
Speaker 12: Those folks have been fired. So that's a good step
Speaker 12: in the right direction.
Speaker 4: He's going to be a rain comb. He's going to
Speaker 4: be a rain on October the ninth. Now, lastly, you
Speaker 4: have a great part of your column that deals with
Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk, and you haven't hear about Charlie Kirk and
Speaker 4: the text messaging tether and fro that we need information
Speaker 4: now about Charlie Kirk and talk about what you would
Speaker 4: like to see happened with the a Sassin of Charlie
Speaker 4: Kirk mounting questions I need to answer.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think there are a lot of questions. Bill.
Speaker 12: I receive videos every day from people that are poking
Speaker 12: holes in the official narrative. I mean, we could spend
Speaker 12: hours going through all the different theories that people have
Speaker 12: sent me. There does seem to be a lot of
Speaker 12: distrust about the official narrative. And you know why, because
Speaker 12: you know, we've been lied to over the years. I mean,
Speaker 12: we have not been told the truth about so many things,
Speaker 12: from weapons of mass destruction to COVID to in my opinion,
Speaker 12: the election and you know JA six, on and on
Speaker 12: and on. So people are obviously distrustful. We're hoping Cash
Speaker 12: Betel and Dan Bongina, we're bringing integrity back to the FBI,
Speaker 12: but we know that there's so many deep state folks
Speaker 12: embedded in there. So there are questions that I'm hearing about.
Speaker 12: You know, the videos that have been released about the shooter,
Speaker 12: about the text messages. A lot of people just don't
Speaker 12: buy the text messages, don't think that that's how twenty
Speaker 12: two year olds communicate, and their holes in the timeline
Speaker 12: build the timeline doesn't really add up when you look
Speaker 12: at the timeline. So it just is, you know, we
Speaker 12: just need more information. We need to have more disclosure
Speaker 12: about what happened. This is a man who is a
Speaker 12: hero to millions of Americans, and he was known to
Speaker 12: millions of Americans and now he's gone, and there needs
Speaker 12: to be full disclosure about you know, where we stand
Speaker 12: as far as the investigators, well.
Speaker 4: To me, the biggest hole to me are the drones.
Speaker 4: According to one report, I saw the six to ten
Speaker 4: members of Charlie Kirk's security team when they went to
Speaker 4: the site. They looked up and saw three or four
Speaker 4: buildings about two hundred yards away, and they said, we
Speaker 4: have to get those buildings covered. They were thinking about
Speaker 4: the assassination attempt on Donald Trump and Butler County, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 4: and so they were said, we have drone technology with us,
Speaker 4: and we can put drones over the top of those
Speaker 4: buildings where a sniper might be, and we can monitor
Speaker 4: who's on the roof and the roof, and the security
Speaker 4: team for Charlie Kirk was told by campus police, we'll
Speaker 4: have that covered, don't worry about it, and look what happened.
Speaker 12: Well, and I've been told that there was like six
Speaker 12: policemen from the university that were at the event, I
Speaker 12: mean six and we had I mean thousands of people
Speaker 12: that were there. So there was a massive error in
Speaker 12: the security, just like there was in Butler, Pennsylvania. And
Speaker 12: I mean, I think a lot of us still have
Speaker 12: questions about the Secret Service, and some recent incidents have
Speaker 12: occurred that have raised more questions about the Secret Service.
Speaker 12: So I think again people are distrustful of the official
Speaker 12: narratives that they're hearing, and you know, we need to
Speaker 12: get to the bottom of what happened here. So were
Speaker 12: we being told that there was just another quote unquote
Speaker 12: loan wold Wolf who was able to get all done
Speaker 12: by himself, right, get up there, disassemble the rifle, get
Speaker 12: down somehow, get it in the woods, in the woods,
Speaker 12: and then to.
Speaker 4: Be discovered, to be discovered there and take it with
Speaker 4: him to be discovered. And I'm thinking, where are the drones?
Speaker 4: What assassin leaves the weapon behind this, assembles it, leaves
Speaker 4: it in the woods, go back. I don't get it.
Speaker 4: Jeff Currer, let's keep the lines open of communication, uh,
Speaker 4: New Orleans, and your columns are always at town Hall
Speaker 4: And Jeff Creweir dot net and Jeff continue to question.
Speaker 4: Thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show, and Jeff,
Speaker 4: you're a great American.
Speaker 7: Thank you always a pleasure.
Speaker 12: Thank you, Bill.
Speaker 4: Let's continue with more drones. We got that covered and
Speaker 4: it wasn't and Charlie Kirk is dead. Bill Cunningham with
Speaker 4: you every Sunday Night by Billy Cunningham. And I brought
Speaker 4: this up at the end of the interview with Jeff Kruer.
Speaker 4: And by the way, coming up next is Jeff Gilson
Speaker 4: about certain criminal activities imposed upon the Trump administration by others.
Speaker 4: But the time I spent with Jeff Careary briefly is
Speaker 4: that there was drone technology that was normally used at
Speaker 4: a Charlie Kirk rally, especially when buildings are like a
Speaker 4: sniper's nest, especially after Butler County, PA. And according to
Speaker 4: one media account news account, the administrative team and the
Speaker 4: security team for Charlie Kirk went to the site a
Speaker 4: few days at a time said those buildings have got
Speaker 4: to be covered. We have drones. We can send up
Speaker 4: the drones and then we can monitor the drones in
Speaker 4: real time on our laptop. And the police told Charlie
Speaker 4: Kirk's team don't worry about that. We'll get that covered,
Speaker 4: and somebody did not get it covered. I think I
Speaker 4: have trust in faith and now the FBI and especially
Speaker 4: Dan Bond JNI to do what's right. But someone's got
Speaker 4: to answer the question. It's all these loose ends about
Speaker 4: the assassin and how it happened, who helped, who cooperate, etc.
Speaker 4: But why those building tops could easily have been covered
Speaker 4: and they were not. To me as a major fook.
Speaker 4: Let's continue with more. Jeff Gilson is next. Bill Cunningham
Speaker 4: with you every Sunday night. Let's continue now, Bill Cunningham,
Speaker 4: the great American. The media, the left wing media, is
Speaker 4: going crazy over the indictment of James Comy, and having
Speaker 4: read the indictment, there were three counts proposed by the
Speaker 4: Prosecutor's office. On the third count there wasn't a true
Speaker 4: bill returned to Northern Virginia. But on the other two
Speaker 4: counts there were true bill's returned against James Comy, the
Speaker 4: first FBI director ever to be indicted on anything. And
Speaker 4: the media has got on the side of James Comy,
Speaker 4: largely saying why this should not take place. So I
Speaker 4: thought we'd get perspective on this from Jeff Gilson. He's
Speaker 4: a retired attorney developmental consultant and he began his career
Speaker 4: crafting speeches for Margaret Thatcher and leverages dual a US
Speaker 4: and British citizenship to navigate all the elite political circles
Speaker 4: between the US and the UK. And Jeff Gilson, Welcome
Speaker 4: to the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all, Jeff,
Speaker 4: can you just give the overview to the American people?
Speaker 4: What are the two counts, what are the facts supporting
Speaker 4: each and why is this such a politically hot football.
Speaker 6: Well, Bill, I'm not sure how much time to have.
Speaker 6: I'll tell you what I will do basically for your listeners.
Speaker 6: They're probably much like me, even though I'm steepness kind
Speaker 6: of thing. There's a lot of confusing stuff going on,
Speaker 6: and we could spend some time talking about the detail.
Speaker 6: I will ask your listeners to do something different. All right,
Speaker 6: the two counts and it's a very short indictment. It's
Speaker 6: two pieces of bapies. One he lied to Congress, two
Speaker 6: he instructed justice. That's all anybody needs to know at
Speaker 6: this stage. Beyond I ask your listeners to do that
Speaker 6: if they can remember about ten years rely Fanks on
Speaker 6: your memory, because this, I think is what is very
Speaker 6: crucial here. So let's be immediate. You're absolutely right getting
Speaker 6: all up in arms about the indictment. First thing, Trump
Speaker 6: didn't indict Comy. Bondy didn't indict tromy You.
Speaker 5: Didn't indict him.
Speaker 6: I didn't indict him. A grand jury indicted him. That's
Speaker 6: the process. Let's trust the process. What's happening is too
Speaker 6: many people are undermining the process when it's ues their
Speaker 6: political convenience. Convenience, A grand jury indicted tromy Comy. Next thing,
Speaker 6: there will be a trial. Let's leave it to the
Speaker 6: trial to examine the facts. But in the meantime, rather
Speaker 6: than trying to understand all of the counter allegations flying around,
Speaker 6: trust your memory. What can is accused of doing is this.
Speaker 6: He is accused of lying as saying that he never
Speaker 6: leaked any information in twenty sixteen about an investigation into
Speaker 6: collusion between Trump and Russia, and that when he lied,
Speaker 6: he instructed justice. All right, guys, cast your mind. By
Speaker 6: twenty sixteen, first election Trump got elected, do we remember
Speaker 6: that there was talk about an investigation into Trump and
Speaker 6: Russia and collusion. Yes, we all remember that was the
Speaker 6: news in the summer twenty sixty, right, Bill, it came
Speaker 6: from somewhere, either Comy leaked it, or he authorized someone
Speaker 6: to leak it, or he was so upset he authorized
Speaker 6: an FBI investigation into the league till the latter happened. No,
Speaker 6: so you're left with the other two folks.
Speaker 7: It's that simple.
Speaker 6: It has to be proven in court, but we knew
Speaker 6: about it. So that's that's the first thing. Now, look basically,
Speaker 6: that's it. Rely on your memory. Don't get get get
Speaker 6: sidetracked by this. For instance, one of the things floating
Speaker 6: around is that the process of the grand jury wasn't proper. Okay,
Speaker 6: we need to stop doing this. Both sides need to
Speaker 6: stop doing this. There's legal process and it shouldn't be undermined. Yes,
Speaker 6: but Trump politicized it no more than Biden and Obama did.
Speaker 6: In twenty twenty four, there was a poll, one of
Speaker 6: many in the summer of twenty twenty four. We're sixty
Speaker 6: percent of Americans, not sixty percent of MAGA, not sixty
Speaker 6: percent of Republicans. Sixty percent of Americans said that the
Speaker 6: four indictments and ninety one charges against Donald Trump was overkilled.
Speaker 6: I mean it was political.
Speaker 4: Now, no question, and Jeff Gilson on that we'll deal
Speaker 4: with Trump here in a moment. I'm watching a few
Speaker 4: days ago. Congressman used to be Congressman Adam Kinsinger of Illinois,
Speaker 4: who was a Republican. He went to the Iraqi War.
Speaker 4: Now he's an advisor to CNN. And one of the
Speaker 4: classic throwaway comments he made is that we all know,
Speaker 4: of course James Comy lied to Congress. Then he's but
Speaker 4: everyone does that, therefore it's I guess he meant to
Speaker 4: imply it's okay. And then CNN played the cuts of
Speaker 4: Senator Chuck Grassley asking specific questions to James Comy under
Speaker 4: oath in which there was a disparity, according to seeing
Speaker 4: a disparity between what Comy had testified to on one
Speaker 4: hand and reality on the other. In other words, Adam
Speaker 4: Kinzinger not a Trump supporter at all. Adam Kinzinger said,
Speaker 4: of course he lied, but everyone lies to Congress, therefore
Speaker 4: it's okay. And I'm thinking to myself, well, if ten
Speaker 4: banks are robbed and you arrest the arm robbers for
Speaker 4: one of the ten, you let him go free because
Speaker 4: the other nine were not arrested. The answer is no,
Speaker 4: and so comy in my view. On one side, the
Speaker 4: Democrats indicted Donald Trump repeatedly out of Atlanta, New York
Speaker 4: City and federally in two different jurisdictions that carried about
Speaker 4: seven hundred years in jail. And they did that according
Speaker 4: to the American people, and I believe that, as a
Speaker 4: former assistant Attorney general, that it was done for political
Speaker 4: reasons to stop him from running. And the media didn't
Speaker 4: cover it, how ridiculous it was to indict Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: They were cheerleaders on this hand, the media saying, how
Speaker 4: ridiculous is it to indict James Gami? How come the
Speaker 4: media is so inconsistent other coverage of these criminal investigations.
Speaker 6: Well, the reason for that, for that is that these
Speaker 6: people are hoping that the rest of us don't remember
Speaker 6: back ten years. Let's go back to it. Let's go
Speaker 6: back to our memory after this business, after we knew
Speaker 6: that in the summer twenty sixteen, there were these leaks
Speaker 6: about Trump and the Russian collusion, which Muller eventually debunked
Speaker 6: two years later. People forget that in January of twenty seventeen,
Speaker 6: when Obama was still in the office and Democrats would
Speaker 6: like to pretend there was no politicization of the DOJ,
Speaker 6: the non politicized Obama DOJ and in collusion with Coney
Speaker 6: at that time January twenty seventeen investigated and indicted Michael
Speaker 6: Flynn for exactly the same charges facing Kobe Line and obstruction.
Speaker 6: So if Kittinger is saying no one ever does anything
Speaker 6: about it, now, lots so true. You started it, and
Speaker 6: in fact, in fact that the Democrats.
Speaker 4: Yeah, is it fair to say the Democrats were the
Speaker 4: party when Trump was in the White House and out
Speaker 4: of the White House that launched these investigations resulting in indictments.
Speaker 4: And not just Donald Trump got indicted. There were thirty
Speaker 4: to forty others the National Seat. There were all kinds
Speaker 4: of regular people who were around the Trump orbit, and
Speaker 4: they wanted to indict them. I know how the game
Speaker 4: is played to testify against Donald Trump. Then deals would
Speaker 4: be offered to everyone around Donald Trump to get him.
Speaker 4: Is that correct?
Speaker 6: Well again, Bill, they like to think that we don't remember. Yeah,
Speaker 6: we all remember twenty three twenty four when JACKSONI and
Speaker 6: let Titia James and Fannie Willis, all of whom have
Speaker 6: been proven to have been colluding. Let's use that word.
Speaker 6: With Biden's DOJ, the legicization of the DOJ, all of
Speaker 6: them were trying to find people who would do deals.
Speaker 6: Michael Cohen. Anybody remember Michael Cohen, and he remember anyone
Speaker 6: remembered the fact he was offered a deal. Look, Bill,
Speaker 6: you and I you have your experience, I have mine.
Speaker 6: We all of us want to see this stopping. We
Speaker 6: all of us want to see the constitution and the
Speaker 6: rule of law in the United States made sacrisagged again.
Speaker 6: But for the Democrats to say it's only the Republicans
Speaker 6: and it's revenge is rubbish. This was started with delegitimizing
Speaker 6: elections and then with then politicizing the DOJ. That started
Speaker 6: under Obama, with Clinton and the Steve dossier. He carried
Speaker 6: on through Flynn. He carried on under Donald Trump when
Speaker 6: for two years Muller special counsel held out that Donald
Speaker 6: Trump was definitely going to be found guilty occlusion and
Speaker 6: then came out and said no, he wasn't. In then
Speaker 6: continuing under Biden Hunter Biden and the interference there and
Speaker 6: he continued with his pardon what we want to see
Speaker 6: is this stop? But it is not the case in
Speaker 6: my opinion, and I'll tell you something, Bill. I'm a liberal,
Speaker 6: I'm not a Republican. I didn't vote for Donald Trump.
Speaker 6: But what I have seen with Donald Trump is not
Speaker 6: that he's acting in revenge. He is merely picking up
Speaker 6: what happened in twenty sixteen. Well, people will say, why
Speaker 6: didn't he do that during his first term, because for
Speaker 6: two years at least the national security and law enforcement
Speaker 6: apparatus of Washington worked against him. James Clapper, Brennan Comy
Speaker 6: until he was fired, were all undermining his presidency. I'm
Speaker 6: not making this up.
Speaker 10: As a liberal.
Speaker 6: At the time, I wrote about this and said, people,
Speaker 6: what are we doing? This is not the way this
Speaker 6: is space to happen. Why are national security and dog
Speaker 6: people briefing against their president? Trump is now their president.
Speaker 6: That happened for two yearsn't it? Whilst until Muller came
Speaker 6: out pale faced and said there was no Russian pollusion,
Speaker 6: the people got a shock and suddenly realized that something
Speaker 6: else has been going on. It has nothing happened during Biden.
Speaker 6: It is only now that Trump and his loyal loyalists,
Speaker 6: unless he's appointed people who were loyal because the people
Speaker 6: who were there before weren't loyal. It is only now
Speaker 6: that he is starting to turn to this and it's
Speaker 6: been what ten months. Ten months isn't a long time.
Speaker 6: It took Jack Smith three years to indict We're not
Speaker 6: Jack Smith, but the DOJ three years to indict Donald Trump.
Speaker 6: So he's moving as fast as he can. Tony is
Speaker 6: only the beginning. It will continue with the Steele dossier,
Speaker 6: It will continue with Tulsey Gabbard's ICA report. This is
Speaker 6: only the beginning. And what everyone needs to do, in fact,
Speaker 6: with most matters political vote, is calm down and start
Speaker 6: trusting the process again.
Speaker 4: Jeff Gilson, I'm glad you admitted you're a liberal that
Speaker 4: didn't vote for Trump. Therefore your opinion mays may have
Speaker 4: more credibility than others. I would point out that a
Speaker 4: Keem Jeffries, the House Minority leader, said a few days ago,
Speaker 4: you know what goes around comes around. Whoever's involved in
Speaker 4: indicting James Coney. At some point we're going to be
Speaker 4: back in charge, and Donald Trump's wait a minute, goes
Speaker 4: around comes around. Now I'm coming the round because it's
Speaker 4: already happened to me and all my people wants, and
Speaker 4: at some point doesn't the madness have to stop at
Speaker 4: some point, at some point, the two parties got to
Speaker 4: stop it.
Speaker 6: Exactly, Bill and Frankly, I thank you for pointing up
Speaker 6: back to my liberal because I'll put my hand up
Speaker 6: and say this. I'll be the first. Let's get off
Speaker 6: the bandwagon. Let's stop this. This is doing nothing but
Speaker 6: causing people to lose trust in their government. In great Brittany,
Speaker 6: I picked up. I have an English accent. I'm an
Speaker 6: American citizen, but I was born and raised in England.
Speaker 6: We have a term that I really a joy. It's
Speaker 6: called the loyal opposition. You fight an election, you fight
Speaker 6: it with passion, you fight it with honor, and when
Speaker 6: you lose, you shake hands and you say we're going
Speaker 6: to be on your tail. We're going to oppose you,
Speaker 6: but we're going to do it loyally. We are loyal
Speaker 6: to the people. No one is being loyal to the people.
Speaker 6: With both sides at the moment are engaged in the
Speaker 6: screaming and the sloganeering, but particularly led by the Democrats.
Speaker 6: Well the Democrats ought to be saying, is we did this,
Speaker 6: we knew it was going to come around. We'll keep
Speaker 6: trust the trial, Well wait till that happens, Let's get
Speaker 6: on and avoid the shutdown, right, That's what they ought
Speaker 6: to be doing.
Speaker 4: You know, it used to be that the Democrats and Republicans.
Speaker 4: You may have more of a British orientation, but for
Speaker 4: decades centuries, the parties fought like crazy. The results of
Speaker 4: the election were known, and then Democrats and Republicans in
Speaker 4: the Senate of the House will get together and say, look,
Speaker 4: let's put aside our political garb for the next year
Speaker 4: and a half to two years. We'll worry about the
Speaker 4: next election a year from November, and let's fight find
Speaker 4: out how we can work together. That didn't work anymore. Well,
Speaker 4: I think what happened in twenty sixteen when Trump was elected.
Speaker 4: It was a shock to the system. The system did
Speaker 4: not believe he could win. And the system knew what
Speaker 4: they had done to Donald Trump, and they feared that
Speaker 4: when Trump got into power on January twenty seventeen, he
Speaker 4: would discover what the Democrats had done. So they kept
Speaker 4: the investigations going and kept the hunting going to ruin
Speaker 4: and to make him possible. Donald Trump going back in
Speaker 4: time doing diict those responsible for all the crap that
Speaker 4: he went through in twenty sixteen, and so they were
Speaker 4: successful to an extent. For the next four years, lots
Speaker 4: of stuff occurred. COVID happened. Near the end, you had
Speaker 4: the Moler investigation resulting in nothing. He was impeached two times,
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden, the system said, wait
Speaker 4: a minute. In twenty I don't know twenty one twenty two,
Speaker 4: what happens if Trump runs for reelection. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: he's going to find out again what we've done to him,
Speaker 4: So we better go after him hard. So Fanny Willis,
Speaker 4: Nathan Wade, the New York prosecutors all had meetings in
Speaker 4: the White House to coordinate indictments, including in the state
Speaker 4: of Arizona. Alvin braggs is center of New York City,
Speaker 4: to indict Trump and everyone around him to make sure
Speaker 4: he didn't get back in power. And a boomeranged on him,
Speaker 4: a boomerang Jeff Gilson. The American people said, this looks terrible,
Speaker 4: this is wrong. I think part of the reason Trump
Speaker 4: won in twenty twenty four was what the Democrats did
Speaker 4: him in twenty one and twenty two. Sitting in that
Speaker 4: thirty filthy New York City courtroom, I had on his son,
Speaker 4: Eric Trump quite often talking about his father will not break.
Speaker 4: And then he was found guilty. He was guilty of
Speaker 4: some I don't know, forty or ninety some counts resulting
Speaker 4: in probation and nothing else. And so the Democrats played
Speaker 4: the game and lost. In twenty sixteen, they said, oh
Speaker 4: my god, here he comes again. Let's get him indict it.
Speaker 4: And then he won again. Now he'll cut He's coming
Speaker 4: back now with vengeance. And I think that's the difference. Vengeance.
Speaker 6: Well, you know what, you know what a bill I'm
Speaker 6: reminded of. There's no one else there, He's ryan else.
Speaker 6: But I'll introduce it. South Africa, Nelson Mandala released from
Speaker 6: prison and a black majority government and there was peaceing
Speaker 6: and there wasn't the civil war people were expecting. And
Speaker 6: I read of a meeting in one of the conferences
Speaker 6: between a white delegation and the black delegation about what
Speaker 6: should be done? How do we start talks? And the
Speaker 6: black leader, the leader who eventually killing president of Sada. Yeah, no,
Speaker 6: it was a guy called Mbikie. The This is while
Speaker 6: the Mandela was set of prison, and then Biki went
Speaker 6: to the white leader and said, look, what do we
Speaker 6: need to do to get talk starting. Why won't you start?
Speaker 6: Why won't you start the talks? And the white guy
Speaker 6: finally admitted. He said, we're terrified you'll never forgive us
Speaker 6: right right. And then Biki said, what do you need?
Speaker 6: And I came back and said, I've spoken with my
Speaker 6: president and he says, what are your terms? What are
Speaker 6: your conditions start talks? And Abiki looked a him in
Speaker 6: the eyes said none, There are no conditions. The past
Speaker 6: is past has billed a future. Amen, that's what we
Speaker 6: need Bill to do. Now, I'm reminded of something else.
Speaker 6: Maybe people will remember this. I remember and it's not
Speaker 6: just a story. It's true. At the end of every
Speaker 6: day in the eighties, Tip O'Neill would go to the
Speaker 6: White House, go into the Oval office and sit down
Speaker 6: with Ronald Reagan and have a glass of scotch. That
Speaker 6: politics has been lost and we need to find it again.
Speaker 4: Jeff Gilson no one. Yeah, your column is excellent and
Speaker 4: the headline is Comy Island former FBI director goes from
Speaker 4: top cop to castaway maroon and legal waters. I encourage
Speaker 4: people to get it. I love what you said about
Speaker 4: South Africa and about Tip O'Neil and Ronald Reagan. We
Speaker 4: need that back. Mutually assured destruction, cease fire. Let's move on.
Speaker 4: Jeff Gilson, I love this interview. Thanks for coming on
Speaker 4: the Bill Cunningham Show. And Jeff, you're a great American.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much. Thank you, Bill, God bless you.
Speaker 4: Let's continue. That guy's got it right right there, and
Speaker 4: this is revenge, but at some point it's got to stop.
Speaker 4: Go Cunningham the Great American. Live with you every Sunday
Speaker 4: Night by Billy Cunningham the Great American. Thanks for listening tonight.
Speaker 4: Loved hearing from Reverend Lucas Miles. One of the confidents
Speaker 4: of Charlie Kirk from Turning Point, USA book is the
Speaker 4: Pagan Threat, and the pagan threat is on college campuses.
Speaker 4: The pagan threat is out of Hollywood, the pagan threat
Speaker 4: is in the mayor's position and some police departments. The
Speaker 4: pagan threat is everywhere, and to get the book and
Speaker 4: understand the police do. Also, I want to thank especially
Speaker 4: Erica Sonsey of parents defending education about Ian Roberts and
Speaker 4: things of that character. How could that happen? How could
Speaker 4: he fall He fell through the ranks in Des Moines
Speaker 4: Iowa as a felon as a superintendent of schools because
Speaker 4: of his life story and because of his race, and
Speaker 4: the white liberals that run the school district into mine,
Speaker 4: eyes glazed over their head thinking about DEI Principles and
Speaker 4: somebody from Guyana, and they were responsible to properly screen
Speaker 4: this guy, and they failed to do so. Also, of course,
Speaker 4: I want to thank Jeff crue Air from New Orleans
Speaker 4: about the Komy situation is going to be arrained, I
Speaker 4: think on Thursday of this week. But as I said
Speaker 4: earlier tonight, I'd like to know more about how why
Speaker 4: was Charlie Kirk left so vulnerable in that position, and
Speaker 4: why weren't the tops of those buildings covered, much as
Speaker 4: I like to know why the top of the building
Speaker 4: wouldn't cover when Donald Trump came within a half an
Speaker 4: inch of being murdered. That thing is also rather quiet,
Speaker 4: and I do trust Cash Ptel and Dan BoNT you
Speaker 4: to give us the truth about Charlie Kirk. Let's continue
Speaker 4: with more next Sunday Night. Bill Cunningham with you every
Speaker 4: Sunday Night.