Speaker 1: Mac, as I do roughly five times a week. I
Speaker 1: was double parking slash trying to find a spot on
Speaker 1: Newberry Street. I did find a spot that you are
Speaker 1: able to possibly stop, but you can't actually park the car.
Speaker 1: You can't get out of the.
Speaker 2: Car loading zone.
Speaker 1: While I was in the car, a meter person walked
Speaker 1: over and said, hey, you gotta move, little rude, not
Speaker 1: gonna lie. Didn't like the attitude, but I said, okay, sure,
Speaker 1: I'll get out of the way right now. And I
Speaker 1: then told my son to put his seat belt back
Speaker 1: on so we could move, and within thirty seconds the
Speaker 1: guy circle back around. He's like, I told you you
Speaker 1: gotta move, and I'm like, my kid's putting his seat
Speaker 1: belt on and I'm not even parked. And he laughed,
Speaker 1: and he goes, you don't think you're parked right now?
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this question. If I am sitting
Speaker 1: in the car, yeah, with the car on, seatbelt on,
Speaker 1: ready to drive, am I parked?
Speaker 2: You're parked, you bitch, you're parked.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not. I'm sitting idle.
Speaker 2: Is the car in park?
Speaker 1: I can easily take it out of park? What if
Speaker 1: I have my hazards on?
Speaker 2: If you have your hazards on and the car is
Speaker 2: in park. You'd be like, hey, I'm gonna be five minutes.
Speaker 2: If you want to give me a ticket, give me
Speaker 2: a ticket.
Speaker 1: If I'm sitting in the car and the car is on,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to move.
Speaker 2: You just get to call their bluff. They don't. They
Speaker 2: probably path of least resistance, although some of those meter
Speaker 2: maids like slinging their cock. You're just gonna be like, hey, sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be five minutes waiting on my wife. Okay,
Speaker 2: if you gotta give me a ticket, give me a ticket.
Speaker 1: But I even said him, I'll move right now. I
Speaker 1: wasn't putting up a fight, but also.
Speaker 2: Put up a little fight.
Speaker 1: Technically, yes, I did look it up. Technically I was parked, yes,
Speaker 1: but let's be honest, I'm not parked.
Speaker 2: I made for the sake of conversation. You were parked. Now,
Speaker 2: all you had to do you should have moved ten
Speaker 2: feet instead I moved.
Speaker 1: Parking is turning the car off and getting out of
Speaker 1: the car. I'm standing.
Speaker 2: You're idling is what it's called.
Speaker 1: I would say standing.
Speaker 2: Still standing next time, just starts singing to him.
Speaker 1: One goo three yeah, just three. King of Queen Marl
Speaker 1: Street Entertainment. I'm Goo and I'm Mac and we are
Speaker 1: the Mac and Goo program. I didn't get a ticket.
Speaker 1: You can go ahead a little bit of two.
Speaker 2: Today we are bringing you an epic. Is how I
Speaker 2: think goo. That term gets thrown around, not often, but
Speaker 2: sometimes for long movies, Ridley Scott movies. This was truly
Speaker 2: an epic. Today we are discussing The Odyssey, the latest.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say greatest Christopher Nolan film, but I could
Speaker 2: see someone arguing.
Speaker 1: But we'll make that argument of shouldn't have its face
Speaker 1: carved into a rock in seck.
Speaker 2: Goo the Odyssey is Christopher Nolan's thirteenth cinematic movie number
Speaker 2: that he's directed. One of those, Insomnia, he didn't write,
Speaker 2: the other twelve he has written. I would say that
Speaker 2: Christopher Nolan is at worst the second best director going
Speaker 2: right now. Most people would say the best in the game.
Speaker 2: I'd have Denny Villeneuve over him, But those are the
Speaker 2: top two I think pretty easily at the moment. I
Speaker 2: don't think either one has made a bad movie, and
Speaker 2: I don't know if anyone else can say that Goo
Speaker 2: the Odyssey has a two hundred and fifty million dollar budget.
Speaker 2: That makes it the most expensive Christopher Nolan movie ever
Speaker 2: made and one of the highest budgeted R rated movies
Speaker 2: ever made. Universal reportedly dumped another one twenty five in
Speaker 2: the marketing and I gotta say they didn't market the
Speaker 2: shit out of this. They marketed it appropriately, but they
Speaker 2: I think knowing it's an R rating, they didn't have
Speaker 2: to go above and beyond.
Speaker 1: I think also knowing who is in the cast and
Speaker 1: knowing that everyone in the cast knows how to go
Speaker 1: out and do interviews.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't need.
Speaker 1: To go out and do crazy commercials, set up crazy promos,
Speaker 1: crazy crossovers unless you want to put it through your
Speaker 1: legs before that three point swish.
Speaker 2: You step over Tyron lout Yeah. Uh gou. This movie
Speaker 2: is projected to make anywhere between eighty five and one
Speaker 2: hundred million domestically this weekend, with some high end estimates
Speaker 2: getting up to one hundred and thirty million. It's expecting
Speaker 2: over one hundred and ten overseas, tracking for over two
Speaker 2: hundred million worldwide opening weekend.
Speaker 1: Two things here. If it can get to one hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty two million, that is bananas. Because it is
Speaker 1: a three hour movie. So you can only show it
Speaker 1: so many times during the day.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also, and I'm seeing a lot of hubbub about this
Speaker 1: is people that are upset that they can't see it
Speaker 1: as Nolan intended it to be seen on their iPhone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Christopher Nolan. This I believe it's the
Speaker 2: first movie ever made.
Speaker 1: This is the first. I'm trying to think of what
Speaker 1: the word is, uh like written fictional, because I believe
Speaker 1: maybe a documentary has already been done like this.
Speaker 2: A first like blockbuster movie that I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2: But yes, shot fully with IMAX.
Speaker 1: I saw the word earlier, but I can't comprehend things
Speaker 1: good enough. I can't stop eighten.
Speaker 2: There's only I believe forty true IMEX theaters in the whole.
Speaker 1: There's twenty four in this country.
Speaker 2: Yep. The closest one for us would be Prominent Providence
Speaker 2: Placed small mind.
Speaker 1: The Redding Jordan's furniture has the right screen size okay,
Speaker 1: but not the right projector got it? They have lasers.
Speaker 1: You and I away one as a shark with a
Speaker 1: freaking laser bead, and I got rid of our soundboard.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna do impressions. The whole time.
Speaker 2: Good. You and I saw it in seventy millimeters, did we?
Speaker 2: That's what it was showing on the title card before
Speaker 2: the movie. We saw it in Dolby or Sevy middimeter,
Speaker 2: which is the next best option.
Speaker 1: What we saw it in though, is definitely crop top. Yeah,
Speaker 1: also crop bottom, not just a crop top.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and I will say it doesn't take away
Speaker 1: from the story, no, but I can definitely see it
Speaker 1: taking away from the atmosphere of what they're trying to
Speaker 1: give us with the beautiful surroundings.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's only after the fact that when you
Speaker 2: see shots one after another do you realize how much
Speaker 2: you're kind of missing.
Speaker 1: But again, I wanted to see the top of Benny
Speaker 1: Saftie's fucking hats.
Speaker 2: That was the shot that got me too, like I
Speaker 2: would like.
Speaker 1: To Well, no, the shot that got me was Tom Holland,
Speaker 1: and it was cropped like the top of his head.
Speaker 1: But then they showed him like, oh, look at all
Speaker 1: that ocean. Yeah, well that beautiful salty water.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I mean, if you can see it in imax,
Speaker 2: please do select few in this kind.
Speaker 1: I might go and see it in reading eventually, okay,
Speaker 1: because they get those umbrella chairs, so you're gonna stay dry.
Speaker 2: Goo. The Odyssey is an R rated adventure, drama, fantasy romance.
Speaker 2: Once again, I'd call it an epic subgenres action epic.
Speaker 1: Do you think of that word.
Speaker 2: Adventure, epic, fantasy epic. That's three epics, quest see adventure
Speaker 2: and Goose favorite sword and sandal.
Speaker 1: I was actually looking at everyone's feet. No one had
Speaker 1: sandals on. They all had boots.
Speaker 2: Goo. You've mentioned the runtime of this movie. It comes
Speaker 2: in at a hot one hundred and seventy two minutes
Speaker 2: eight minutes shy of three hours. And I'll say this,
Speaker 2: I think my biggest criticism of the movie is it
Speaker 2: could have been like twenty minutes shorter, because there's a
Speaker 2: stretch of about twenty to maybe thirty minutes where I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm not getting much out of this. Maybe the Odyssey
Speaker 2: Homer's audience is getting much out of this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the Homers. Let's get this out there right now.
Speaker 1: We've never read the book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're tuning into us for a breakdown of
Speaker 2: this movie compared to the literary version of the story,
Speaker 2: the Odyssey.
Speaker 1: We've never read any of the books.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Goo, and I I have very limited Greek mythology knowledge.
Speaker 2: Who has even less?
Speaker 1: I'm illiterate.
Speaker 2: You've been talking to Davey to fill in some of
Speaker 2: the gass for you, which is.
Speaker 1: I'm been asking Davy Am I dumb? To think this way?
Speaker 2: Goo on roddy t's at the moment, this three hour
Speaker 2: movie has ninety six percent from two hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: nine critics. That is the highest Rotten Tomatoes critics score
Speaker 2: for Christopher Nolan movie ever on Metacritic and eighty nine
Speaker 2: on fifty seven. High nine is super, eighty nine is
Speaker 2: super high. That is the third highest ever for Christopher.
Speaker 1: Nolan because with Rotten Tomatoes, it's also a thing of like,
Speaker 1: it's not bad, There's no way it's bad. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: automatically a thumbs up.
Speaker 2: And once again, and we'll get into those scores in
Speaker 2: a second. Once again. Written directed by Christopher Nolan, this
Speaker 2: movie Goo. The script was a faithful adaptation of Homer's
Speaker 2: ancient Greek epic poem none of it rhymed. The note
Speaker 2: the side here is no one takes great inspiration from
Speaker 2: a more modern translation by classicist Emily Wilson.
Speaker 1: Jay said that's his favorite version of the busk Okay,
Speaker 1: so we're spoiling dark right now. You don't even have
Speaker 1: to listen to dork. I'm telling you this is Davy's favorite.
Speaker 2: So in Emily Wilson's twenty seventeen translation, she uses a
Speaker 2: lot of modern language, which is what no one really
Speaker 2: takes inspiration for.
Speaker 1: He yew like when Dame is like what app kid?
Speaker 1: And then Tom hollands, what that.
Speaker 2: No One's story? This movie also takes elements from the Iliad,
Speaker 2: another Homer work, or at least it's been attributed to him,
Speaker 2: and the I need it.
Speaker 1: An Oh, we're gonna mispronounce a lot of.
Speaker 2: That is that was written by the Roman poet Virgil
Speaker 2: and go. One of the bigger things here is the
Speaker 2: thing about the Odyssey, and several works are that old.
Speaker 2: No one truly knows who actually created this story. This
Speaker 2: and the Iliad get attributed to Homer, and additional an
Speaker 2: aside to that is, yes, it's Greek mythology, but as
Speaker 2: we've come to find out throughout history, a lot of
Speaker 2: it is rooted in stuff that probably happened, and then
Speaker 2: they just add in the mythology, as some people may
Speaker 2: put in God to as an influence in their stories today,
Speaker 2: and a big part of that reason Goo is in
Speaker 2: eighteen seventy one the city of Troy was actually discovered.
Speaker 2: They thought it was a myth. They archaeologists uncovered a
Speaker 2: city that matched everything that we've known about Troy, which
Speaker 2: started down this path where like, Okay, maybe a lot
Speaker 2: of these stories are rooted in truth. So that's just
Speaker 2: something to think about. K The audience scores for Christopher
Speaker 2: Nolan's movies on Roddy Tea's not available yet for US.
Speaker 2: I suspect this is gonna be at worst low nineties.
Speaker 1: This might gonna get a bit of a review bomb.
Speaker 1: You think, oh, there's people out there that are mad
Speaker 1: about the casting.
Speaker 2: All right, Okay, for the audience scores the highest for
Speaker 2: Nolan movies, there's a three way tie at the top. Goo,
Speaker 2: the Dark Knight, Memento, and Batman Begins all have ninety fours.
Speaker 2: Then you have this other clump, the Prestige, Oppenheimer Inception in.
Speaker 1: The Dark Clumps right now.
Speaker 2: The Prestiges at ninety two, Oppenheimer an Inception at ninety one,
Speaker 2: the Dark Knight Rises at ninety. Then you have these
Speaker 2: two floaters Interstellar at eighty seven percent, and following at
Speaker 2: eighty five percent. Following Gou is the one no one
Speaker 2: really knows that was his debut in nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 2: And then you have Dunkirk at eighty one percent, Insomnia
Speaker 2: at seventy seven percent, the one that he directed, didn't write,
Speaker 2: and then Gou. The lowest for both critic and audience.
Speaker 2: Roddy t scores for Christopher Nolan is Tenant at seventy
Speaker 2: percent critics seventy six percent audience. For me, that is
Speaker 2: clearly his worst movie.
Speaker 1: Right, And while I don't really like it, it's interesting
Speaker 1: and interesting does look really really good, and.
Speaker 2: Like I didn't, I didn't dislike it. I just didn't
Speaker 2: like it. It was confus using. I needed the Internet to
Speaker 2: explain it. I would say that, and Batman begins to
Speaker 2: the bottom two for me. But if those are your
Speaker 2: two worst movies, you're a pretty fucking good director.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Is that Tenant?
Speaker 1: I mean it's one of the more talked about movies too,
Speaker 1: because people are so torn on like, well, there's a
Speaker 1: fire truck. That's cool, but why is the guy's name
Speaker 1: the protagonist?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah? Goo? On Metacritic The critics obviously love Christopher Nolan.
Speaker 2: His lowest scores his debut film, following at sixty. Then
Speaker 2: you have this clump of three movies of the prestige
Speaker 2: Tenet and Batman begins at sixty six, sixty nine, and seventy.
Speaker 2: Then you have these four grouped together Interstellar, Inception, and Somnia,
Speaker 2: and The Dark Knight rises from seventy four to seventy eight,
Speaker 2: and then his top four according to Metacritic prior to
Speaker 2: this movie were Memento, The Dark Knight, Oppenheimer, and Dunkirk
Speaker 2: gu Dunkirk far and away his highest critic rating, which
Speaker 2: the audience clear to me because I thought it was fine.
Speaker 2: I thought it was decent. I didn't like.
Speaker 1: I don't remember was that review bombed.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I just think it wasn't people's favorites, okayo.
Speaker 2: Synopsis of the Odyssey. After the Trojan War, Odysseus faces
Speaker 2: a dangerous voyage back to Ithaca, meeting creatures like the
Speaker 2: Cyclops polyphemous. I have it's polyphemous.
Speaker 1: It's polypemous. So I have done like three raps on
Speaker 1: the Odyssey at work, I do news Entertainment news and
Speaker 1: every single time I have texted Davy and said, can
Speaker 1: you leave me a voice note with how to pronounce this?
Speaker 3: The common pronunciation is polyphemous. If you wanted to say
Speaker 3: it in Greek with the accent, it's polypemos polypemos, but
Speaker 3: most people say polyphemus.
Speaker 2: So cyclops, polypemous, sirens and calypso along the way do
Speaker 2: This story chronicles Odysseus, who was a Greek king Greek
Speaker 2: King of Ithia, and his ten year journey home to
Speaker 2: his wife Penelope following the end of the Trojan War.
Speaker 2: This movie stars Goo Matt Damon as Odysseus, the King
Speaker 2: of Ithaca. Tom Holland is Telemaic, his son of Odysseus,
Speaker 2: and Penelope aka Prince of Ithaca. Anne Hathaway as Penelope,
Speaker 2: Queen of Ithaca, Robert Pattinson as Antonys. Did I get
Speaker 2: that right? Antonas?
Speaker 1: Don't ask me, Please, don't ask me.
Speaker 2: He's one of the suitors of Penelope. Lapina Niango is
Speaker 2: Helen of Troy and Clinton Estra, who is Agamebnon's wife.
Speaker 2: She plays a dual role here, but just one scene
Speaker 2: with the other one. It's her abduction go Helen of
Speaker 2: Troy's abduction that triggers the Trojan War in the first place.
Speaker 2: Samantha Morton plays Circi witch slash goddess. Her scene was
Speaker 2: one of the better scenes of the movie. She lives
Speaker 2: on an island called I. I don't know how to
Speaker 2: say that. A E A E A, I don't I
Speaker 2: don't know how to say that. Goude. John Leguizamo as Eumaeus.
Speaker 2: He is Odysseus's servant hand here plemonade.
Speaker 1: Okay, I like, where where did he come from?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: Sure, where did he come from?
Speaker 2: He's this blind, loyal servant. Uh yeah, we'll get to that.
Speaker 2: Zendeia plays Athena, the goddess of wisdom. Charlie's to Therone
Speaker 2: is Calypso, a nymph on the island of Ojijia ogeja.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to say that. You just got
Speaker 2: to move on, bud, like I like giving it a
Speaker 2: second time. Betty Saffie plays Agamemnon. He's the king of
Speaker 2: my Sine and the commander of the a Chians. A
Speaker 2: Chean's also Menilaeus's older brother Menilaus, who played by John Berenthal.
Speaker 2: He's the king of Sparta, Elliott Plage plays sin On. JAMESH.
Speaker 2: Patel as your Eurylocus Eurylochus Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: I'll also stop you right here, tip my hands. Max
Speaker 1: credit Union. I thought he was fantastic.
Speaker 2: It's great. He was great, really great. He was very
Speaker 2: good and tenant as well.
Speaker 1: Although we don't have it in there, I guess I
Speaker 1: would call him more of like an unsung hero.
Speaker 2: He was the perfect foil to Damon's Odysseus.
Speaker 1: He was awesome, He was so good.
Speaker 2: In this Mia goth Is Melantho. She is a disloyal
Speaker 2: servant and a lover of antonas Logan Marshall Green as Melanthius,
Speaker 2: Milantho's twin brother and also a disloyal servant. Ryan Hurst,
Speaker 2: who's one of my favorites, as Mentor, Telemachus's guide and mentor.
Speaker 2: Maybe that where that comes from. You should have asked
Speaker 2: Davy that Bill Irwin plays poly Femus, the cyclops and
Speaker 2: son of Poseidon. James Remar, who played Rayden in the
Speaker 2: nineties Mortarcombat movie as Tyresius, He's the blind prophet in
Speaker 2: hell Hades, and then good Travis Scott. Travis Scott as barred.
Speaker 2: He's the guy with the Caine talking poems.
Speaker 1: Sorry right now, as of right now, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: need to see how Dune does and maybe how they
Speaker 1: feel about certain movies like The Invite and whatever comes
Speaker 1: out around Oscar time. As of right now, this is
Speaker 1: gonna win for best cast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is loaded and everyone does a great show.
Speaker 1: There is not a weak link in the bunch.
Speaker 2: I would say the weakest performance may have been Holland,
Speaker 2: but he's still good.
Speaker 1: But also you needed him to be that weak character.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just I don't know, there's something not off
Speaker 2: about Holland. I just thought he was a little out
Speaker 2: of his element, which and I love Tom Holland.
Speaker 1: They made the choice of going with a straight down
Speaker 1: the middle American accent.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you think if this movie starred a British actor
Speaker 1: they would have picked a British accent for everybody?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I think because Hathaway and Damon are American,
Speaker 2: they went with Holland using an American accent.
Speaker 1: As my guess, well, they went with everybody using an
Speaker 1: American accent. You have Robert Pattinson as well. Do you
Speaker 1: think that they asked Damon the first and like, can
Speaker 1: you do a Greek accent?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Kid? Can you do a British accent?
Speaker 2: Not? Typically these historical epics feature odd British accent.
Speaker 1: It's usually British accent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it just makes sense in our heads. I
Speaker 2: suppose it didn't bother me that everyone was speaking no
Speaker 2: American dialect.
Speaker 1: You pick it and you stick it.
Speaker 2: Now that we've been three days essentially to city.
Speaker 1: I needed three days. I need three days.
Speaker 2: I like, there's nothing I outright didn't like. I have
Speaker 2: nippicks like I do. Think it was a bit long.
Speaker 2: The scene evolving the cyclops I don't think I needed,
Speaker 2: I don't think the audience needs. It just kind of
Speaker 2: brings the movie to a little bit of a halt
Speaker 2: that takes up a good twenty thirty minutes. I didn't
Speaker 2: love that. I didn't love Holland's performance. Outside of that,
Speaker 2: this is Baseline, like Lowest Common Denominator, one of the
Speaker 2: best movies ever made.
Speaker 1: Do you believe that the way that they told the
Speaker 1: story it was all out of order? Timeline difference is
Speaker 1: everything else. Do you think that some parts dragged and
Speaker 1: took away from other parts of the story that maybe
Speaker 1: you took too long away from the Anhathaway character. You
Speaker 1: took too long away from other characters.
Speaker 2: No, I actually liked the way in which they tell it,
Speaker 2: where you know Odysseus is off on the island with
Speaker 2: Calypso trying to remember what the fuck happened, and you
Speaker 2: keep jumping back and forth. And you also know when
Speaker 2: you're gonna watch Christopher Nolan movie, he's gonna manipulate times somehow.
Speaker 2: So you knew there was gonna be something like this
Speaker 2: in the movie. That didn't bother me at all.
Speaker 1: Shall we get to the nonagone? Sure, first off is
Speaker 1: fun factor and maybe not the fun per second that
Speaker 1: we're thinking we might have here. It's a very long movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but maybe I would have had more fun with a
Speaker 1: bigger screen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess you could also say so you and I,
Speaker 2: as fans of Christopher Nolan and movies in general, are just.
Speaker 1: As the two fans of Christopher Nolan, We're.
Speaker 2: Just buying in to the promise of the movie and
Speaker 2: the story. However, I can admit this movie is definitely
Speaker 2: not the most fun.
Speaker 1: Not the most fun Nolan movie.
Speaker 2: No, No, so maybe a mark against that for general audience.
Speaker 1: If we were fans of the original story of the books,
Speaker 1: it'd be fun to see it on screen.
Speaker 2: I'm curious with Davy's a pain is gonna be and
Speaker 2: people of peeps, people like Davy who have read this
Speaker 2: or are fans of Greek mythology, if they like it
Speaker 2: more or like it less.
Speaker 1: Because of that, the book is better. I'm gonna call
Speaker 1: it satisfactor. It took us a while to get there,
Speaker 1: but the end of the movie, I'll give it a
Speaker 1: comparison in spoilers, but there's some real satisfactor things. I
Speaker 1: also needed to keep in mind because Davey told me
Speaker 1: this too, and this is this episode's all about Davey
Speaker 1: telling me stuff. It's as if he's a teach. Davies
Speaker 1: maybi'es Davy's gravy over here.
Speaker 2: It could be the blood of a pig, maybe it's
Speaker 2: from a cow.
Speaker 1: Mix it with flower and you get Davy's gravy. The
Speaker 1: meat is the hashtag dork episode. This is just a
Speaker 1: little runoff. We added some flour.
Speaker 2: Now we have a nice route.
Speaker 1: Well, Davey told me, and I'm happy that he did,
Speaker 1: because there are a lot of things in this movie
Speaker 1: that reminded me of other stories, and he said, well,
Speaker 1: this story came out first, was first, So everything that
Speaker 1: you're thinking of, yes, actually took from this story, correct
Speaker 1: and I'm happy that was pointed out to me.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. And once again they don't truly know who
Speaker 2: who was the first author of this story just gets
Speaker 2: tripping into Homer. So satisfactor for me, gu you know,
Speaker 2: I'm a sucker for good conclusion. With about thirty to
Speaker 2: forty minutes left, you know exactly how this is going
Speaker 2: to play out, and it's still super satisfying. And because
Speaker 2: they've laid the ground work so well through the first
Speaker 2: two hours, you're like, you're anticipating it so well. And
Speaker 2: he also purposefully like blue balls you for like another
Speaker 2: twenty minutes before he gives you the satisfying part.
Speaker 1: To the point of you do question, maybe he doesn't
Speaker 1: plan on doing this and he does just want to
Speaker 1: do this one thing, and like get out of here, borometer,
Speaker 1: you're dealing with the long movie. It did ragget points
Speaker 1: for me. I'm not sure what you could have done.
Speaker 1: I'm curious if you could have done this as two
Speaker 1: movies and done two two hour movies as opposed to
Speaker 1: one three hour movie and allowed us to get a
Speaker 1: crisper we're away from the island and then at the
Speaker 1: end or a second movie of him returning or something
Speaker 1: like that. But I don't know, I don't know what
Speaker 1: to do. This isn't my job goo.
Speaker 2: For me, the boreharmater came with the Cyclops stuff because
Speaker 2: it really took me out of the movie because we
Speaker 2: are dealing with Greek mythology, yes, right, and we do
Speaker 2: see some abilities on screen. We see some extra large
Speaker 2: humanoid type things. I can buy INtime, I'm gonna and
Speaker 2: then this up later we get to this point where
Speaker 2: we see the Cyclops and I'm like, ah, this is
Speaker 2: kind of weird. I like, I just didn't love it,
Speaker 2: didn't buy it. It brought it to a screeching halt
Speaker 2: for me. Again, that's maybe twenty minutes of the movie,
Speaker 2: but I just didn't care for it.
Speaker 1: Halloween. Will this movie wane over time? Will it lack
Speaker 1: a rewatchability because of its length?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and is exhilarating and satisfying as the final ten
Speaker 2: minutes are, it does lack like a major standout moment,
Speaker 2: partially because of what I did like storytelling wise, but
Speaker 2: jumping back and forth throughout Odysseus's journey means you didn't
Speaker 2: just get like the Troy scene, the Trojan scene, Trojan Horse,
Speaker 2: like right there and like this great ten minute Trojan
Speaker 2: Horse scene.
Speaker 1: It was spotted it bits in pieces. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: do like how they came back to it at the end.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: So the different perspectives of the war.
Speaker 2: It may wayne ween overtime. That'll be an interesting test.
Speaker 1: Because this movie compares a lot to Oppenheimer. And yeah,
Speaker 1: how you have someone that is in charge of changing
Speaker 1: how the.
Speaker 2: World's one man problem problem, solving a massive issues.
Speaker 1: Solving a problem and creating something else where you know,
Speaker 1: we've a to mcbaum on one side, and we have
Speaker 1: Zeus's law on the other side. You start throwing that
Speaker 1: out there or you start taking it away. The person
Speaker 1: that is responsible for it now lives with that forever.
Speaker 1: And I was surprised how similar to Oppenheimer.
Speaker 2: It was structurally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, plumbing aide, I said John Leguizamo, we might
Speaker 1: be changing this to who broke their Leguizamo, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: you know, break a leg that's what they say in Hollywood.
Speaker 2: This was a tough one because he's in a lot
Speaker 2: of the movie. So I actually gave him max credit union, okay,
Speaker 2: either one. I was blown away. The last thing I
Speaker 2: expected in the year twenty twenty six, the Year of
Speaker 2: Our Lord, the Year of Zeus, was John Loguizamo to
Speaker 2: give one of the best performances of the year, maybe the.
Speaker 1: Best performance of the movie, win an Academy Award for
Speaker 1: Sporting Actor.
Speaker 2: He's he's tremendous and I will say you You and
Speaker 2: I both laughed at his first scene because it's John Loguizamo,
Speaker 2: and then when I read it it was Himamo. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's jarring, and then he's fucking phenomenal.
Speaker 1: I think that Dan will be nominated. Yeah, Damon might
Speaker 1: win af he may win. I think that Anne Hathaway
Speaker 1: will be nominated. A Hathaway right now, I think should win. Also,
Speaker 1: she was she was very good. She was so good
Speaker 1: in this. Pattinson might get a norm. I don't think
Speaker 1: Holland does.
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that Mattinson almost didn't have enough
Speaker 2: to do, you know what I mean, Like he was
Speaker 2: he was great as a bastard, plays a great bastard,
Speaker 2: but I don't know if he had enough to do.
Speaker 1: And then I think Leguizamo gets a nomination, and then
Speaker 1: people like, I don't think she's in a ton of
Speaker 1: the movie, but people go nuts over Zendeia and she
Speaker 1: might get a nomination.
Speaker 2: For this, so let's roll that into Pants Tent.
Speaker 1: Here she might handlem elector this.
Speaker 2: Do you have any more credit to give out? I
Speaker 2: gave credit.
Speaker 1: I just gave credit to everyone getting nominations.
Speaker 2: Pants Tents to the excite bike Mania gou for me. Obviously,
Speaker 2: the conclusion is satisfying. In Pants Tent Dish, I really
Speaker 2: loved the scene where Odysseus is back in Ithaca and
Speaker 2: he's sooiler. He's sort of monologuing, and as he's doing it,
Speaker 2: we discover why we seezon day of the way we do.
Speaker 2: I thought that was great. That was I thought that
Speaker 2: was fucking amazing. I loved that connection because the whole
Speaker 2: time you're wondering, like, why is Athena showing up like this?
Speaker 1: For those of you tarty to the Mac and Goop party,
Speaker 1: we rate everything on a forty hot dog rating system. Mac,
Speaker 1: this movie is quite good.
Speaker 2: It's very good. It is very good to me.
Speaker 1: If we're looking at things to poke at, it's a
Speaker 1: smidgelong I do question if you could have split it
Speaker 1: into two different movies and gotten a little bit more
Speaker 1: of him back in Ithaca at the end. I think
Speaker 1: everyone gives dynamite performances. I think you're gonna get tons
Speaker 1: of oscars here. I wish I saw it in the
Speaker 1: full seventy millimeter IMAX, but that might be too tough
Speaker 1: to ever get to in Rhode Island. Slash maybl see
Speaker 1: it with the Redding version. But I do feel like
Speaker 1: I'm kind of tightened it up a little bit. Just
Speaker 1: tighten it up just a little bit to get it
Speaker 1: closer to that two and a half hours. I know
Speaker 1: that the editor on this movie cut so much of
Speaker 1: what Nolan wanted to keep in just to get it
Speaker 1: to that, you know, three hour mark, and you can
Speaker 1: definitely you can feel the love that Nolan has for
Speaker 1: every frame of this movie. Yeah, but I do think
Speaker 1: we could have sharpened it up just a little bit.
Speaker 1: Agreed thirty eight Hot Dogs. Thirty eight dogs, because I
Speaker 1: did feel it a bit. I might be thirty seven dogs,
Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, I liked it a lot. I might
Speaker 1: be thirty six. I think within a little bit of time,
Speaker 1: I'm going to start to hover thirty six, thirty seven.
Speaker 2: I also think and he's just a victim of his
Speaker 2: own success.
Speaker 1: You're comparing it up against other Nolan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so in my mind, Christopher Nolan has three forty doggers.
Speaker 2: You have Oppenheimer for me. Inception, I'll give everyone the
Speaker 2: Dark Knight.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, victory for all of us.
Speaker 2: If Distellar has gone up for me over time, I
Speaker 2: really love that. I think you can argue Memento also
Speaker 2: a forty dogger. Yeah, this is weighed against that, and
Speaker 2: I for sure didn't like it as much as Inception.
Speaker 2: Maybe my favorite movie of all time. I liked Oppenheimer
Speaker 2: more than this too, too. I think this is Baseline
Speaker 2: a fantastic movie structurally the way it's made produced, YadA YadA,
Speaker 2: like Baseline one of the best movies ever made. However,
Speaker 2: because it's really long and it lacks some fun and
Speaker 2: it does, I did get fully taken out of the
Speaker 2: movie at one point. I can't give it forty and
Speaker 2: rewatchability is not there. So I was like, thirty eight
Speaker 2: thirty nine I am. It is a movie I would
Speaker 2: recommend to everyone despite its length, though I think I'm
Speaker 2: that thirty nine hot dogs. We'll talk about the Nolan
Speaker 2: Rushmore in a bit, I think you could argue it
Speaker 2: as the fourth on the Rushmore. I think there's a
Speaker 2: conversation between two or three movies four number four, But
Speaker 2: I think definitively as a podcast, we would say inception
Speaker 2: the Dark Knight in Oppenheimer our top three.
Speaker 1: Don't give away our Mountain Rushmores. Speaking of Nolan, remember
Speaker 1: in the All Star Game, maybe in nineteen ninety eight
Speaker 1: or ninety nine, Owen Nolan was going down the ice
Speaker 1: for a hat trick and he pointed to the top
Speaker 1: corner and then sniped it top chetta. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: Dominic Kashik too good.
Speaker 2: Let's spoilers, spilers, spilers, spoilers.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you what I asked Davy? And I
Speaker 1: tried to Google this as well, but Google, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: blame Google. I'm not gonna blame how I worded it.
Speaker 1: So we know in the movie that Odysseus is dealing
Speaker 1: with all this grief for what he has done, how
Speaker 1: he has changed the world. Zeus is law is completely out.
Speaker 2: Of it, which she reveals at the end in that monologue.
Speaker 1: Yes, that he is the people from the Sea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I am questioning so he is on the island with
Speaker 1: uh Chalise Thorne cl So Calypso for so long, and
Speaker 1: he's trying to remember seven years and he's telling these
Speaker 1: stories about how, oh, we went to this island, we
Speaker 1: went to that island, we went to this and it's
Speaker 1: just him telling those stories. Do you believe that none
Speaker 1: of that stuff actually happened and he was just making
Speaker 1: excuses for why he had it made it home?
Speaker 2: No, I think that one hundred percent happened. And I
Speaker 2: think I mean Haiti or the I don't know if
Speaker 2: he's Hades, but the blind Hades guy tells you that
Speaker 2: the witch tells you is that might not have happened either.
Speaker 2: I mean, but so now you're getting too literal with it.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about Greek mythology, you know.
Speaker 1: So I'm allowed to interpret anything I want anyway.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent are If we weren't talking about Greek mythology,
Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, there's a conversation that we had
Speaker 2: there as to whether things happened or not. But we
Speaker 2: saw we saw literal cyclops in the movie Goose.
Speaker 1: I think he was so ashamed by what he did.
Speaker 1: He could have gotten home easily and He's like, no,
Speaker 1: a cyclop's got in the way. The King of the
Speaker 1: Sea was passed.
Speaker 2: He outright says go and Calypso comes to this realization.
Speaker 1: Calypso is not real either.
Speaker 2: His trauma was holding him back from fully needing to
Speaker 2: go home, getting home, wanting to go home, and so
Speaker 2: that's what he works through in the seven years there.
Speaker 2: Calypso influenced some of that, holding him there and held
Speaker 2: him back a bit, but then she also releases him
Speaker 2: set some feet.
Speaker 1: He made that up too, He made all of this.
Speaker 2: You're thinking too much about it.
Speaker 1: I am thinking, well, yeah, it's a three hour movie.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna think about it. The other thing that bothered
Speaker 1: me by so what I did is I put into Google.
Speaker 1: I'm like, in the Odyssey, yeah, does Odysseus make up
Speaker 1: all the stories? And Google said the Odyssey is a
Speaker 1: work of fiction. I'm like, I get that. I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: in that work of nonfiction, is there any chance that
Speaker 1: none of this happened? And it's like, no, none of
Speaker 1: it happened.
Speaker 2: I would like to see you get it, Jim Roberts
Speaker 2: playing you in this sketch, No, I get it. What
Speaker 2: the other thing that bothered me by the eighty seventh time,
Speaker 2: Goo is when they brought up Zeus's law for the
Speaker 2: eighties seventh time, you need to live.
Speaker 1: No, you lived by something in law.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna run through the story here, stop me when
Speaker 2: you when you see fit. We open with uh, this
Speaker 2: sort of tease of the Trojan War and Odysseus simply
Speaker 2: not remembering what happened to him After the war. He's
Speaker 2: on an island with Calypso played by Shirley's third on
Speaker 2: Ithaca Uh. The kingdom in which he's essentially abandoned, is
Speaker 2: in disarray because of his absence. Suitors are courting his wife,
Speaker 2: the Queen Penelope, to ascend to the throne, and usurp
Speaker 2: Odysseus and Telemachus. The worst one of those suitors, the
Speaker 2: biggest bastard of them all, is Anthonys, played by Robert Pattinson,
Speaker 2: who once again plays a great bastard. There's also a
Speaker 2: great scene in here explaining who he is to a
Speaker 2: tea where he manipulates Sinnin to take his place among
Speaker 2: the ranks of the men going to fight for Troy
Speaker 2: and I Love Love Gou. It was so satisfying for
Speaker 2: Odysseus to flick that fucking wooden peg back at him.
Speaker 1: That was so sad when he first where'd you get that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? That was great. So that so he flicks the
Speaker 2: peg at him, and he doesn't kill Antonys for like
Speaker 2: another twenty five minutes. That's that. Yeah, that was where
Speaker 2: we were like, get there sitting, and that's where you're like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I think we could have done this a little quicker.
Speaker 2: Christopher Nolan Eumaeus is John Leguizamo. I think I'm saying
Speaker 2: that correctly. He has Odysseus's elderly dog, Argus, and I
Speaker 2: loved I loved the aspect of when Odysseus finally returns,
Speaker 2: Argos smells him get super happy dies. But then there's
Speaker 2: that great scene where Telemachus realizes this is my father,
Speaker 2: This is Odysseus. Telemachus travels to Sparta with Mentor, hoping
Speaker 2: to find out more information about his father. That's where
Speaker 2: we see John Bernhal's King Menelaus, who fought let me
Speaker 2: tell you something. Antonis is trying to seduce Penelope. He
Speaker 2: learns Telemachus is away, he plots with Polybus to kill
Speaker 2: Telemachus upon his return and divide Ithaca. Obviously, we see
Speaker 2: that plays out and awesome. That was a great scene too,
Speaker 2: with Odysseus is killing the shit out of all those nerds. Odysseus,
Speaker 2: with the aid of Calypso, starts remembering and recalling this
Speaker 2: journey after the Trojan War.
Speaker 1: He loves that flower.
Speaker 2: We learned that Odysseus is in fact the person who
Speaker 2: devised the Trojan Horse plan to solve and end that
Speaker 2: ten year war, and Sinnin, unbeknownst to Odysseus, is the
Speaker 2: one that ends up being the desert of the volunteered
Speaker 2: deserter to lie to the Trojans. And that's a nice
Speaker 2: emotional scene that comes up later as well. The ruse works.
Speaker 2: We see that cool scene. I thought the best shot
Speaker 2: of the movie was then opening that gate and Agamemnon
Speaker 2: is just standing there like that was and that would
Speaker 2: have definitely looked better than seventy milimeters because we would
Speaker 2: have seen that whole sort of front of the city.
Speaker 2: I love that. That was great. They retrieve Helen, Agamemnon
Speaker 2: and Menelaeus return home ahead of time. They're like, we're
Speaker 2: going right home. Odysseus is like, I got a better route.
Speaker 2: We're gonna see the world and we're gonna beat those
Speaker 2: motherfuckers home because he doesn't want to go home, and
Speaker 2: he has Zendeias Athena escorting him as well, and so
Speaker 2: Zendeia pops up throughout this movie as Athena, and she
Speaker 2: ends up at least this is what the Internet tells me, Goo,
Speaker 2: I don't know if the book is the same. She
Speaker 2: takes the form of a girl that Odysseus sees sees
Speaker 2: get beheaded during that siege of Troy, And I really
Speaker 2: liked that fact that it's like haunting him, and so
Speaker 2: that's the form he sees. I love that connection. Then
Speaker 2: we don't put that together until his final monologue there.
Speaker 2: So this is the first stop. Gu on their relaxed
Speaker 2: route home is at this island to gather supplies, and
Speaker 2: they see all these sheep and turns out the Cyclops
Speaker 2: is a sheep herder and he lives in this big
Speaker 2: ass cave and he's just eating these He's eating Odysseus's crew.
Speaker 2: This was like, this was annoying because number one, the
Speaker 2: Cyclops looked bizarre. Number Two, we had just gotten to
Speaker 2: like the best part of the movie, Like they see
Speaker 2: the seas of Troy happened, they were successful, and they
Speaker 2: sit on this voyage and they're just hanging out in
Speaker 2: a cave with the Cyclops. Yeah. I get it's part
Speaker 2: of the story, maybe an integral part of the story,
Speaker 2: and the cinematic form, it just didn't work for me.
Speaker 1: This. I believe we see this before they show most
Speaker 1: of the stuff with Troy, though I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's true. I'm not gonna argue with you.
Speaker 2: No, you might be right. We see them, we see
Speaker 2: that they're successful, we see that they're leaving the beaches
Speaker 2: of Troy, but we may not get the sweet scene yet.
Speaker 2: We get so after the whole Cyclops thing, they set out,
Speaker 2: but then just hug the coast and then they land
Speaker 2: on the island of once again. Aia aia. I don't
Speaker 2: know how the fuck you say this II where they
Speaker 2: get this savage tribe of like massive human type things.
Speaker 2: They kill a bunch more people, destroyed two of their bolts,
Speaker 2: and then they set off again. Hu hugged the the
Speaker 2: land and then.
Speaker 1: They beside in his pissed because the Cyclops is his kid.
Speaker 2: Yes, Cyclops is his son, and so now they make
Speaker 2: land again. This is where we meet Circe, who's a
Speaker 2: witch and she I don't it's unclear what her powers
Speaker 2: are other than turning people into animals. She turns Odysseus's crew,
Speaker 2: the whole lot of them into pigs. Odysseus, being the
Speaker 2: bright mind he is, figures out she's a witch, goes
Speaker 2: and has this pretty good conversation, pretty good tit for
Speaker 2: tack tennis match there, and that was pretty satisfying scene
Speaker 2: as well. When he she relents basically, but she tells
Speaker 2: him that he's the only one that's gonna make it home,
Speaker 2: and in order to figure out how to get home,
Speaker 2: he needs to go to Hades the underworld, and we
Speaker 2: get this really cool scene of like these sort of
Speaker 2: for lack of a better term, force ghosts that he could.
Speaker 1: Still interact with undead zombies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Tyresius tells him exactly how he needs to
Speaker 2: get home, and Odysseus is like, no, I'm gonna do
Speaker 2: pretty much anything but that. He's like, all right, fine,
Speaker 2: go for it, dude. So they try all that, and
Speaker 2: despite everything Odysseus tries, all his men die and in
Speaker 2: part because his second in command played by Jimesh Patel
Speaker 2: is like just fed up, like overly fed up. He's
Speaker 2: like sort of mutinying the crew. Here they eat they hungry, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they eat the cows on that island, and so they
Speaker 2: set out again. They all die. Odysseus crashes on to Charlis,
Speaker 2: theirn Suore, and this is where we get a little
Speaker 2: bit more of a halt in the story, because now
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, we're getting to the third act. Odysseus
Speaker 2: has to get back to Ithaca. We also get well.
Speaker 2: Back on Ithaca, Antonas and Polybus are like tormenting Eumaeus.
Speaker 2: He's getta kicked out of the castle. They go to
Speaker 2: kill like all his livestock. They're just fucking bastards, bastards.
Speaker 2: Odysseus finally makes it back to Ithaca. After he's remember
Speaker 2: what's happened to him. Calypso reveals she's been like feeding
Speaker 2: him the lotus flower so he doesn't remember stuff. When
Speaker 2: we get back in Ithaca, this final what forty minutes
Speaker 2: is phenomenal. It's so good.
Speaker 1: It felt like and once again I know this came
Speaker 1: first the Count of Monte Cristo.
Speaker 2: It was just first of all, I don't know he's
Speaker 2: been gone for what ten years? Feels like more people
Speaker 2: should have recognized him, but or his even his voice.
Speaker 1: So I think they made it more like it was
Speaker 1: twenty They made it closer to that, didn't they.
Speaker 2: Oh, the war was ten years. Actually, you're right, the
Speaker 2: war was ten years because.
Speaker 1: On that island toms Holland was three and then Tom
Speaker 1: Holland was seven by the end of the movie.
Speaker 2: He's right.
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to bring up to the ages
Speaker 1: of these actors. Tom Holland is only I think thirteen
Speaker 1: years younger than Anne Hathaway. Did you know that.
Speaker 2: I think he's twenty nine and she's forty two.
Speaker 1: I think he's thirty.
Speaker 2: Now, okay, she's forty three.
Speaker 1: And then Robert Pattin said, I'm pretty sure is either
Speaker 1: the same age or a little bit older than Nan Hathaway. Wow,
Speaker 1: that was all my Google. All I did for Google
Speaker 1: is look up ages and argue about what was real
Speaker 1: and what's fake. Uh.
Speaker 2: The first thing Odysseus does when he gets back to Ithaca,
Speaker 2: he learns of this ploy to kill Telemachus. He goes
Speaker 2: and helps Telemachus. We lose mentor during it, but we
Speaker 2: get that great scene. He introduces himself to Telemachus as Sinnon,
Speaker 2: you know, paying homage to Elliott Page's character, and for
Speaker 2: the next twenty to twenty five minutes, Telemachus has no idea.
Speaker 2: He's just hanging with his father to asking questions about
Speaker 2: his father. So that was kind of fun. That was
Speaker 2: maybe the most fun had in the movie. And then
Speaker 2: we get to the scene inside the temple or the
Speaker 2: castle where Odysseus essentially gives his monologue and has his
Speaker 2: come up, and he talks to Penelope and tells her
Speaker 2: take a new suitor. I've talked to your husband. You know,
Speaker 2: he would want you to do this, and we learn,
Speaker 2: you know, he's he's basically paid for his and by
Speaker 2: doing so, he actually enacts this ploy to trap all
Speaker 2: the shooters inside this throne room, and the only weapon
Speaker 2: in there is going to be his bow, and he's
Speaker 2: the only one that can string it. So when it
Speaker 2: was happening in real time, I wasn't quite putting that together,
Speaker 2: and then I was like, uh ah, this is great,
Speaker 2: this is a nice ploy. I like this, this is great.
Speaker 1: I did like watching all those needle dicks try and
Speaker 1: string the bow. Do you think he could string the bow. Now,
Speaker 1: do you think you could shoot through me? I've oh,
Speaker 1: definitely not. I have never strung a bow or shot
Speaker 1: a bow and arrow. So okay as someone stepping on
Speaker 1: there as a virgin, fucking raw No, I don't think
Speaker 1: I could. Like if she said, if she said, the
Speaker 1: challenge is this, I would say, can we do literally
Speaker 1: anything else?
Speaker 2: Cuts to it's the jiff of the Game of Thrones.
Speaker 2: You're just jumping out the window.
Speaker 1: I'm just stepping out of the window. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't know how to do any of this. And if
Speaker 1: there was a challenge for you to become king, what
Speaker 1: would you want the challenge to be.
Speaker 2: That's a good question. What am I best at?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think I could arch Well, I don't think I
Speaker 2: could string the bow, but the archery part, I think
Speaker 2: I could do.
Speaker 1: What you understand too, arch You would need to string.
Speaker 2: That right, No, that I'm saying. But if I were
Speaker 2: able to steal it from Odysseus, maybe I could bow
Speaker 2: at mac guy or.
Speaker 1: Take string the bow and be like it's on there,
Speaker 1: and then he'd like kind of throw the arrow with
Speaker 1: his hand. What could I do to become king? Baffled
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 2: When he finally strings the bow, shoots the arrow or
Speaker 2: everyone's like, oh shit, it's Odysseus, and Penelopee like lets
Speaker 2: him do his thing. She's like at that point, she's
Speaker 2: gotta know, but she just lets him murk everyone.
Speaker 1: Oh She's gotta be soaked at that.
Speaker 2: You also get this, uh, finally Telemachus gets his like
Speaker 2: his manhood scene where he kills Melanthos or Melantho, whatever
Speaker 2: the fuck his name is, who was pretty good Logan
Speaker 2: Marshall Green he was a good bastard as well, and
Speaker 2: then the swords drop down, they dropping the weapons of
Speaker 2: the ceiling. I did like that. The final come up
Speaker 2: in of Antonis, though, when Odysseus has him soret to
Speaker 2: throat is great. It's great. And I also like Gou
Speaker 2: during the slaughter that guys just start kneeling because they're like,
Speaker 2: you know what, this is the king. I'm good, I
Speaker 2: don't need to get murked. I'm all set. This is fun.
Speaker 2: So you get this final scene, and this is where
Speaker 2: not knowing the story helped Gou, because you think for
Speaker 2: a second Odysseus is dying in Penelope's arms, but mission accomplice, right,
Speaker 2: and so then we kind of fade to black, but
Speaker 2: we cut back open to He always said he was
Speaker 2: gonna go west to honor his men, and Telemachus is
Speaker 2: now the king, he's been crowned, and Penelope goes with
Speaker 2: Odysseus off's west to honor the men. And I thought
Speaker 2: it was great. I thought it was a great ending.
Speaker 2: And I think it would have been maybe more Shakespearean
Speaker 2: for him to die at the end of the movie here,
Speaker 2: But you know what shakespeare it was. It was. That's
Speaker 2: why I'm saying Shakespearean. You know, Odysseus would have died
Speaker 2: at the end there in Penelope's arms. But I liked it.
Speaker 2: I liked the end that he reunites with Penelope and
Speaker 2: he did what he said he was gonna do. Telemachus
Speaker 2: is in charge, they set west. We get a happy ending,
Speaker 2: and I'm okay with that. I think some people might
Speaker 2: be upset with that, but I enjoyed the shit out
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: I'm so embarrassed, and I can't think of anything good
Speaker 1: I can do, like one thing that I might be
Speaker 1: able to do better than anybody else. I don't have
Speaker 1: anything you know what, driving a golf ball.
Speaker 2: If it was suiting at a golf ball furthest and
Speaker 2: I wasn't with any pros, I'd have a chance.
Speaker 1: As long as there's no pros or anyone back.
Speaker 2: Woods is here, I'm losing. But other than that, oh.
Speaker 1: Shit, I'd lose that too.
Speaker 2: What can I do? Uh? You know what?
Speaker 1: If they said, Okay, we're gonna set up at third
Speaker 1: base and we're gonna throw a ball to first base.
Speaker 1: Whoever can scoop the ball the best, I have a chance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, yeah, okay, I'll give you.
Speaker 1: That soft ass hands. I'll give you that anat that
Speaker 1: he starts winding up and throwing balls over the first
Speaker 1: So that's the honesty.
Speaker 2: That's the honesty as told by two morons. Let's get into.
Speaker 1: Mac Sack and Mac sac could be anything. It could
Speaker 1: be ABOUTE and Mac. We have teased this all episode
Speaker 1: and you have already kind of said, what the answer is?
Speaker 1: Give me your mount rushmore of Christopher Nolan movies.
Speaker 2: We'll do a quick question. Actually, now that we're talking
Speaker 2: about where did dog score it fell? Do you have
Speaker 2: obsession higher than this?
Speaker 1: I kind of do, but I'd be okay, with that.
Speaker 1: So my thing with Obsession is I love the pacing,
Speaker 1: I love how fresh it feels, and I also love
Speaker 1: like the cut and run tape together feel a completely
Speaker 1: different movie.
Speaker 2: I think it's a good conversation. I think they're the
Speaker 2: two best movies of the year.
Speaker 1: And also like I love the converse of this costs
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty million dollars to make the other
Speaker 1: one cost less than a million.
Speaker 2: I have Obsession at thirty eight, I have This at
Speaker 2: thirty nine. I think it's a good conversation.
Speaker 1: And also, no one told me that I had to
Speaker 1: watch Obsession on a different kind of screen.
Speaker 2: Agude the Mount Rushmore of Christopher Nolan movies. I have
Speaker 2: Inception firmly on there, Oppenheimer firmly on there. I for
Speaker 2: its cultural impact, I have to put The Dark un
Speaker 2: down there. You can be you what I would rather
Speaker 2: watch more Right now, I'd rather rewatch Interstellar or Memento
Speaker 2: over The Dark Knight.
Speaker 1: Okay, if I'm being fair, I think I just figured
Speaker 1: it out. How would Mac become king? If the queen says,
Speaker 1: who loves the Dark Knight? And everyone raises their hand,
Speaker 1: but Mac, she goes, Okay, you're the only one you
Speaker 1: don't love the Dark Knight.
Speaker 2: I was confused by Tenant.
Speaker 1: Everyone raised their hands. Mac goes, but I like the
Speaker 1: fire Truck though.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna leave the Dark Knight on there. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: put Memento on there as well. This so before this,
Speaker 2: so this is now in the conversation for the fourth
Speaker 2: spot with Memento and Interstellar. To me, Interstellar, I don't
Speaker 2: have it forty either. Memento might be. I haven't watched
Speaker 2: Memento it in a while. Maybe I'll rewatch Momento and
Speaker 2: get back to you. But I think that's the conversation
Speaker 2: for the fourth spot, Memento Interstellar in the Odyssey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I have Dark Knight Oppenheimer inception, and then
Speaker 1: I think you can argue this. I don't want to
Speaker 1: go Batman begins on the list with the Dark Knight.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go two Batman movies because, let's
Speaker 1: be honest, Nolan kind of reinvented what the superhero genre
Speaker 1: was with the Dark Knight. Yeah, you know, getting so grounded.
Speaker 1: The prestige is great and Memento is great, but I
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess i'll put this for now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it might be this, It might be this.
Speaker 2: You aren't considering Interstellar at all. Huh No, I think
Speaker 2: Interstellar has aged really well.
Speaker 1: Now I will say too, so inceptions not forty hot
Speaker 1: dog movie for me? What did they give it thirty eight?
Speaker 1: When we tell you how many?
Speaker 2: How so you have the Dark Knight and Force is forty? Okay?
Speaker 1: Yes, because I am curious if we stacked up mount
Speaker 1: Rushmore's of different directors, I think his might be up
Speaker 1: there with almost anybody as like on average a thirty nine,
Speaker 1: thirty eight and a half or something.
Speaker 2: I think it's him and ville Neuve that's the two.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm talking like even if you're just talking top four,
Speaker 1: Spielberg is going to be on there.
Speaker 2: You want to do top four top fours a Mount
Speaker 2: Rushmore top fours for directors, So who's who's who's the fourth?
Speaker 2: If we put ville Neuve and no One.
Speaker 1: Ridley Scott has a really good top four. Rob Reiner, Oh,
Speaker 1: Rob Reiners. His fours are awesome too. And what I
Speaker 1: appreciate about his top four and you can make the
Speaker 1: argument for like seven or eight of his movies they're
Speaker 1: all different. Yeah, his range is fucking crazy phenom range.
Speaker 2: Although So if you're talking range, Spielberg's up there. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't put ville Neuve up there for Range, but range
Speaker 2: would probably be Spielberg or Nolan and maybe Ryaner.
Speaker 1: But even with Nolan though he does have his common themes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you can do fucking The Odyssey and
Speaker 2: The Dark Knight like that's I don't know if anyone
Speaker 2: else can do that.
Speaker 1: Oh, Quentin Tarantino, Oh, Tarantino. Tarantino might have four forties. Tarantino,
Speaker 1: So Tarantino might be.
Speaker 2: Tarantino might be number one.
Speaker 1: Stanley Kubrick ever hear of him? Yeah, David Fincher.
Speaker 2: Kubrick's best directorial is The Fake Moonland, Peter Jackson. They
Speaker 2: not there.
Speaker 1: Sam Mendes.
Speaker 2: Mendes has a couple of great ones.
Speaker 1: Charlie Chaplin, No gonna be out on that one. What
Speaker 1: you're on, Charlie Chaplin. H Wes Anderson.
Speaker 2: Wes Anderson has two of my favorite movies ever.
Speaker 1: Oh, James Cameron. James Cameron might have.
Speaker 2: Cameron's a good one.
Speaker 1: Might have four forties somewhere in there.
Speaker 2: He's got two.
Speaker 1: Well, he's got Aliens Terminator too.
Speaker 2: No my stance on Aliens too. Two I'll give it
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 1: Titanic rules.
Speaker 2: Titanic is great. It's not a forty though.
Speaker 1: First Avatar is blue.
Speaker 2: If you want to talk impact, it might be Cameron
Speaker 2: and Spielberg.
Speaker 1: All these guys do certain things that change the way
Speaker 1: people started making movies known for we should do it
Speaker 1: by what they're known for on IMDb, because Cameron is
Speaker 1: known for being a writer on Avatar The Way of Water,
Speaker 1: not for creating.
Speaker 2: No, that's how I with the world.
Speaker 1: He's got some good movies. Do you ever hear of
Speaker 1: these movies?
Speaker 2: By the way, if you're still listening to the true
Speaker 2: send us your Nolan Rushmore. Try to limit yourself to
Speaker 2: one one of the Batman movies.
Speaker 1: Well, send us your Nolan mount Rushmore. But then send
Speaker 1: us your Mount Rushmore of director's Mount Rushmore's. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: also keep the So we need sixteen movies.
Speaker 2: That can do it. No, you don't have to put
Speaker 2: the movies. Well, I guess you can. I guess you can.
Speaker 1: But you guys, you need their top four. It can't
Speaker 1: just be the aggregate of all of their movies. If
Speaker 1: we did that, then things are way different. Just that's no,
Speaker 1: it isn't. It might be though we're running out of ideas.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I put on our on our draft list.
Speaker 1: I have a Google doc of all of our dumb drafts.
Speaker 1: I put dreams on there.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got some weird ones. Also, dream is in
Speaker 1: a lot of movies and words. All right, dream a
Speaker 1: little Dream, Sweetheart, dream dream on Okay, DreamCatcher, Dream Warriors,
Speaker 1: Dream the band Ooh that's a good one. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna dream it up. That's in our next one,
Speaker 1: the game song Dreams Banger.
Speaker 2: Martin Luther King had a dream Maria had.
Speaker 1: Now we can't put the word nightmare because that's a
Speaker 1: kind of a dream, but it's not dream.
Speaker 2: I think some people would delineate between nightmares and dreams. No,
Speaker 2: but I'm saying if it's a movie, nightmare, bad dream.
Speaker 2: If a movie has nightmare in the title, it doesn't count.
Speaker 2: But if you're counting one of your dreams that just
Speaker 2: so happens to be a nightmare, then it is a dream.
Speaker 2: Like Shime's dream where he was gonna get axe murdered.
Speaker 2: That's a dream. Martin Luther King had a dream where
Speaker 2: I had a dream left eye had it.
Speaker 1: I had that dream one time when the When the
Speaker 1: Devil came and spoke to me.
Speaker 2: I want to listen to that song. So let's wrap
Speaker 2: it up.
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Speaker 1: Glen so we're paying it for says here that the
Speaker 1: three most common dreams are flying or soaring.
Speaker 2: We're so ovn fly in.
Speaker 1: This usually represents freedom or ambition.
Speaker 2: I don't think i've ever.
Speaker 1: That makes sense, though I've never felt freedom.
Speaker 2: I've had a lot of sexual dreams in my day,
Speaker 2: a lot. Yeah, I've ruined a lot of sheets because
Speaker 2: you shit your pants, right, that's how I have sex.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shit. Being chased often points to dodging responsibilities
Speaker 1: or unresolved fears.
Speaker 2: I'm sure I've had chase dreams, I don't recall them.
Speaker 1: And then losing teeth.
Speaker 2: Never had that one.
Speaker 1: I've never dreamt about losing teeth. I dream often about
Speaker 1: It's either a day of school.
Speaker 2: Do you have really mundane dreams? Or I have a.
Speaker 1: Sporting event and I forget one of my equipment or
Speaker 1: something in my backpack and then I can't participate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: And everyone, they were all they were all so excited
Speaker 1: to have me there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you only got one shoe.
Speaker 1: They're all relying on me. I didn't bring a pencil
Speaker 1: to class.
Speaker 2: Here comes old one shoe. Goo.
Speaker 1: I didn't bring one of my goalie pads. I can't play.
Speaker 2: Here comes old one pad. Check.
Speaker 1: What does that one mean? You know, we'll look it up,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it in news dump. Sure, I think
Speaker 1: it means I'm not a reliable person. My guess Tuesdays
Speaker 1: or newsdays. I have used kangaroos, Damn Burton.
Speaker 2: Bye.
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