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Speaker 1: This is.

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Speaker 2: When size truly matters.

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Speaker 3: Leader fan Fan Radio Network and k FA and dot Com.

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Speaker 3: Two minutes and six seconds past three o'clock Central daylight time,

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Speaker 3: we welcome you back to a MIDWEK edition of the

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Speaker 3: Bumper to Bumpet program on a calm before the ice Noami,

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Speaker 3: Wednesday afternoon here in the twin cities of Minneapolis and

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Speaker 3: Saint Paul. My name is Dan Barrero, the host of

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Speaker 3: the program. Guardsy is out today and tomorrow Brett Blake

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Speaker 3: Moore is back in that share. We have an outstanding

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Speaker 3: cavalcade of guests via the uglydeck dot com lineup. We'll

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Speaker 3: give you more details in just a minute or two.

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Speaker 3: In fact, really the opening salvo will be I think

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Speaker 3: there will be a direct connection between the first segment

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Speaker 3: of the p and our three fifteen guest on baseball,

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Speaker 3: Aaron Gleeman. And I'm sure he knows a lot about

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Speaker 3: what I'm referring to here regarding size in baseball. We have,

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Speaker 3: much to the delight of the substitute producer of the program,

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Speaker 3: actually the regular producer of the program as well, and

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Speaker 3: many of you other replay terrorists, we have a new

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Speaker 3: system on calling balls and strikes and appealing balls and

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Speaker 3: the way, in any case, if you're going to properly,

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Speaker 3: if that system is going to work, I guess as

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Speaker 2: Guess what.

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Speaker 3: The computers or the lasers or whatever technology has used

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Speaker 2: The truth on.

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Speaker 3: How tall baseball players actually are, not what is put

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Speaker 3: but your actual height now matters. So what have we

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Speaker 3: come to find out? We have already come to find

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Speaker 3: out that hundreds, yes, hundreds of Major League Baseball players,

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Speaker 2: Dozens.

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Speaker 3: Okay, doesn't sound quite as sexy, but it's still decent.

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Speaker 3: Dozens of hitters have either been told what they probably

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Speaker 3: And the reason it should be again obvious Wall Street

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Speaker 3: Journal story. What is happening is that for the first

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Speaker 3: time in Major League in history, MLB needs to know

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Speaker 3: how tall everybody is, with as much precision as possible.

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Speaker 3: The reason the sports fancy new automated ball strike system

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Speaker 3: sense in that for the system to work, MLB needs

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Speaker 3: to define the strike zone right, a surprisingly complicated task,

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Speaker 3: as they mentioned in this story. While the rulebook attempts

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Speaker 3: to explain what constitutes to strike, the reality has always

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Speaker 3: been much more an idiosyncratic subject to the judgment of

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Speaker 3: the homeplate umpire. Took years of tinkering in the miners

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Speaker 3: and a test run during the exhibition slate last year

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Speaker 3: before league officials settled on an answer. For the purposes

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Speaker 3: of the zone would be established at fifty three point

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Speaker 3: twenty seven percent a hitter's stance irrelevant. As a result,

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Speaker 3: all spring batters went to what's described as a rigorous

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Speaker 2: Do you know why that time period? Want to take

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Speaker 3: I people tend to shrink over the course of a day.

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Speaker 2: Did you know that people get shorter huh over the

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Speaker 3: So they're saying, well, we're going to be accurate with

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Speaker 3: Although then my question would be, what if the game's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point.

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Speaker 3: I mean, how many don't we play a lot of

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Speaker 3: Did the room have to account for temperature? It's a

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Speaker 3: good question. I don't have any idea. They were instructed

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Speaker 3: at which point a group made up of mostly former

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Speaker 2: Size up each player.

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Speaker 3: Representatives from something called the Southwest Research Institute were on

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Speaker 3: describes as postural integrity issues. Bent knees, hunched shoulders, a

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Speaker 3: during this measuring process, the players lost about a half

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Speaker 3: from six to two to five eleven. Alex Bregman listed

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Speaker 3: All told, there are sixty eight players previously listed at

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Speaker 2: Here's the kicker, they point out.

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Speaker 3: Then there's sho Hey O'tani, the baseball superhuman.

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Speaker 2: At this point, right.

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Speaker 3: Otani actually grew an inch. He is listed no longer

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Speaker 3: he's maybe the only example of a baseball player who

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Speaker 3: grew on the basis of this fancy measuring. SYSTEM i

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Speaker 3: embellishing their. Height it happens in, basketball of, course all

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Speaker 3: on dating apps and dating apps as. Well that's, very very.

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Speaker 3: True you finally found, It so, yeah this WILL i

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Speaker 3: Who i'm sure knows all about. This Aaron gleman is

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Speaker 3: Him Bratcheawn Brian cafe in text line sixty four six eighty.

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Speaker 3: Six perfect day for him given The twins open their

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Speaker 3: reaction to the very early returns on The twins kind

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Speaker 3: we end up talking wolves with him, too because he's such.

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Speaker 2: A Big wolves.

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Speaker 3: Roub but there you have, it the elaborate system in

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Speaker 3: because everybody wants no one wants to. Say what you

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Speaker 3: want to say Is i'm six Feet so you don't

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Speaker 3: want to say five to eleven or five to, ten,

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Speaker 3: right it just doesn't sound six, Feet, so, oh six

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Speaker 1: Good you, know you would think with the new, system

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Speaker 2: Smaller that's WHAT i would.

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Speaker 1: WHY i imagine you have to have the. Knees that's,

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Speaker 3: gotta believe we're going to find, out and probably led

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Speaker 3: were being. Measured i'm HOPING i didn't see it in the.

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Speaker 3: Story is a great Piece Wall Street. Journal how long

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Speaker 3: like an? Hour is it five? Minutes they seem to

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Speaker 3: have all this fancy. Equipment i'm kind of curious to

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Speaker 3: Story i'm wondering if any twins got shorter or, taller

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Speaker 3: but Maybe gleaman will be able to answer that. Question

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Speaker 2: Today tomorrow is going to be a busy. DAY i

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Speaker 2: think we Get seafert.

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Speaker 3: TOMORROW i know we Get Andy lueger in studio tomorrow bearing,

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Speaker 3: gifts and Maybe Russo radio tomorrow because The wild's next

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Speaker 3: game Is. THURSDAY i believe at The arena formerly known

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Speaker 3: as the X correct that's a home game On, thursday it.

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Speaker 3: in for our three fifteen, Guest Aaron, gleman kind enough

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Speaker 3: Here we now have now the construction season has. Resumed,

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Speaker 3: yeah The Xenia Park place. Exit if you're coming from the,

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Speaker 3: It there's like five detour, options none of them Particularly.

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Speaker 4: PALATIN i drove around in circles to get, here but

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Speaker 2: Construction are, right that's a very very good. POINT i made.

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Speaker 2: IT i made. It how was spring training for? You

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Speaker 4: they didn't play well obviously during spring. TRAINING i don't

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Speaker 4: generally but, YEAH i don't. KNOW i feel for them

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Speaker 2: the home Opener's friday? Correct, Yes and unlike.

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Speaker 4: Most, years most years The twins home, opener as is

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Speaker 3: Something DID i see or read that we've got seventeen

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Speaker 4: April they've pushed that more and, more but, yeah it's

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Speaker 3: Story i'm sure you're familiar with, this BUT i was

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Speaker 4: Not there's ALSO i think some confusion with that they're

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Speaker 4: basically they're going to measure. You they're gonna get it.

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Speaker 4: Accurately it will. Adjust the strike zone is adjusted per,

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Speaker 2: Style these are for never.

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Speaker 3: Under estimate the creativity of, yeah find some way around

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Speaker 3: i guess here's here's the. DEAL i, mean then it's not.

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Speaker 3: Right SO i don't know if that's going to be

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Speaker 3: the the the alibi that bad umpires get that the

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Speaker 2: Us BUT i just thought that was. Interesting the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: automatic you, know the ball, strike you, know the whole.

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Speaker 3: Approach i'm an anti replay guy in general BECAUSE i

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Speaker 3: JUST i think it's as as it, sounds as someone

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Speaker 3: aesthetics of the game THAN i am to get it

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Speaker 2: WRONG i know.

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Speaker 3: Players feel, differently, obviously fans feel. Differently they text me

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Speaker 4: That to that, Point i'm with you on the rep

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Speaker 4: Them and it's true in football, Too but, yeah sticking to,

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Speaker 2: Seconds, YES i think there.

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Speaker 4: Should it should like shut off Like i've been at

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Speaker 2: Doing SO i do agree with you to some extent on.

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Speaker 2: That so is it what what do? We what do?

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Speaker 3: IS i Tend i've already heard from from some people

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Speaker 3: who seem to already derive more satisfaction from seeing an

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Speaker 3: umpire expose humiliated or humiliated then whether their own team

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Speaker 3: is the game that they're rooting. For it's Like i'm

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Speaker 2: I think too many people are gonna care. About and

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Speaker 3: POINT i don't know where are you on it the

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Speaker 3: whole thing, PHILOSOPHICALLY i will.

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Speaker 4: Say having seen it in spring training and Some TRIPLE

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Speaker 4: ninety nine percent of the, time like it is truly

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Speaker 4: the ump steps out signals two seconds back IN i

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Speaker 4: do think the THING i, underestimated And i'm curious to

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Speaker 4: count and the ump calls a guy out on a third,

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Speaker 4: Strike well he challenges it's a.

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Speaker 2: Ball then it's three to.

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Speaker 4: Two next, pitch same, umpire same, batter calls it a,

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Speaker 4: strike challenges it. Again the crowd at that point is

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Speaker 4: going absolutely bonkers because there's the nobody likes.

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Speaker 2: UMPIRES i, mean let's be, act they're the narks of.

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Speaker 4: Sports and there's also just that, tension even if it's

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Speaker 4: know now there's going to be situations where three or

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Speaker 4: deep down wonder if it will lead to subtle improvements

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Speaker 4: to learn in real time the areas that they are

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Speaker 4: calling things, wrong like down in a, way all, right

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Speaker 4: and they're just going to be sick of being humiliated like.

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Speaker 4: This you can already see, it like they're rolling their

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Speaker 4: avoid that now is to start calling the rule, book you,

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Speaker 4: know strike zone. Correctly SO i wonder if it could

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Speaker 4: have a subtle effect on actual performance of.

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Speaker 2: Them here's my problem with.

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Speaker 3: That the obvious ones make it easy to, say my,

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Speaker 2: It but a lot of the Ones i've seen the

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Speaker 3: EXACTLY i, mean they are arguable and again according to

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Speaker 4: Is just as if any part of the matter of

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Speaker 4: a baseball mix the, strike it's a.

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Speaker 3: Strike but What i'm saying, IS i don't think it

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Speaker 3: makes you a bad umpire on those, kinds is?

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Speaker 2: It because of the very?

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Speaker 3: NATURE i agree on, That BUT i think people are

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Speaker 3: i'm already. Predicting you, know how so you get you

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Speaker 3: can miss? Two, yes it basically you get, two and

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Speaker 2: Go the rest of the. Game, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Forever but you, know AND i know you're gonna run.

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Speaker 3: Out even if you get you have a good percentage

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Speaker 3: if you have zero entering an extra inning resets to.

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Speaker 3: One it does reset to. One but if you have,

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Speaker 3: one you don't get an extra. One, okay but you

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Speaker 3: know what's gonna happen. Here we're gonna get to the

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Speaker 3: even have been tried to be, careful but they're still

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Speaker 3: we need. More we need if we need an unlimited

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Speaker 3: it shouldn't matter whether you are correct or. Incorrect we

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Speaker 3: Demand AND i know the comeback is well minor leagues

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Speaker 3: has worked pretty, Well but isn't it fair to say

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Speaker 2: ABOUT i, mean the difference to play the game versus

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Speaker 4: THINK i, mean they need to have some limits in

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Speaker 4: place to stop every pitch from being, challenged obviously just

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Speaker 2: Level so that's what they're going.

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Speaker 4: FOR i do agree with you THAT i think it's

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Speaker 4: an eventuality, that you, know game whatever of The World,

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Speaker 4: series some team's going to be out of, challenges there's

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Speaker 4: going to be some egregious. Call but also we see

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Speaker 4: that in other sports, too when THE Nba finals are

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Speaker 4: out of challenges. Whatever WHAT i think is going to

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Speaker 4: soon there's going to be a moment like that that

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Speaker 4: is headline making where it's, like oh my, god this

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Speaker 4: game turned on a very clearly incorrect ball strike.

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Speaker 2: Call that no one could.

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Speaker 4: Challenge and then people are going to start to, say,

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Speaker 4: well if we have the ability to quickly correct every,

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Speaker 4: call why.

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Speaker 2: Are we even using a challenge? System? Exactly?

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Speaker 4: WHY i just get fully into robot, mode and SO

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Speaker 4: i think that's probably a few years down the.

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Speaker 3: ROAD i you, Know i'm fine with the old fashioned,

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Speaker 3: way even with some umpires who. Stand but if you're asking,

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Speaker 3: me you can't have that, Anymore, dan that's.

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Speaker 2: OVER i would rather do what you just. Suggest let's just.

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Speaker 3: Cut let's cut with the, nonsense trying to play it,

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Speaker 3: going to. Go, now maybe baseball knows that's where they

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Speaker 3: want to, go but that this was the interim step

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Speaker 2: Your foot in the. Door you get your footet doors to.

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Speaker 4: It it's similar to the pitch clock, stuff where it's

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00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,919
Speaker 4: like in, baseball especially because it is such an old

439
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 4: timey game and the crowd is old and everyone who loves,

440
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 4: baseball including me now is.

441
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 3: Old.

442
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 4: Right any change getting rid of THE d, eight adding

443
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 4: THE dh to The National, league or even the thing

444
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 4: five years ago or ten years ago when they were,

445
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 4: like we're not going to have intentional balls. Anymore you

446
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,400
Speaker 4: just hold up four. Fingers people freak out about. Anything that's.

447
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:51,640
Speaker 2: True.

448
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 4: Pitchclock i'm sure we had similar. Compant two games into the,

449
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 4: pitchclock people were, like this is. GREAT i loved it

450
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 4: even before they SHARE i. Demanded so if anybody's skeptical about,

451
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 4: it watch a few games actually see how quick it.

452
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 2: Moves and then the.

453
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 4: Other Thing i'll note is that there are some Non

454
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 4: american LEAGUES i Think, KOREA i want to, say that

455
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 4: are using full robot umpiring and they just have a

456
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 4: headset getting for the umpire and then they're just getting

457
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 4: a signal on every. PLAY i think there is some

458
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 4: or at least going back a couple of, YEARS i

459
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 4: know there was some skepticism that the technology was in

460
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 4: place to fully have, quick accurate measures of all three

461
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 4: hundred pitches every. Game BUT i suspect we've reached the

462
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,919
Speaker 4: point now where that is eventually where this is. Headed

463
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 4: and you, know maybe it's only until the NEXT cba

464
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 4: or the next umpire negotiation where it's, like why are

465
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 4: we limited to? Challenges why are we leaving ourselves? Open

466
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 4: and it's a little bit, like you, know last two

467
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 4: minutes of a football, game the referees can just review

468
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,959
Speaker 4: a play no matter. What AND i think it's going

469
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 4: to skew more towards that, because, yeah like you, said

470
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 4: there's inevitably going to be some call where team is

471
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 4: out of challenges and everyone is freaked out and they're,

472
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 4: like why is this system as limiting it as it?

473
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 3: Is but isn't it also, though if we go to

474
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 3: that system, EVENTUALLY i refuse to believe that we're not

475
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 3: gonna still get hitters and pitchers who, say, SORRY i

476
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 3: Know i'm supposed to believe the, science BUT i don't

477
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 3: something's wacky. Here it's different in this, ball but there's

478
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 3: something about it that's off where we're never gonna get

479
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 3: to that. Place do you think where people are gonna Go,

480
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 3: yep they always get it.

481
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 4: Right you're asking IF i think we'll reach a place

482
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 4: where large amounts numbers of people will not have anything

483
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 4: to complain about as the number one complainer in the,

484
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 4: world maybe two of the top ten.

485
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: Complaints that's, true that's. True come, on but, YEAH i

486
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 2: MEAN i think there.

487
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 4: WAS i can tell you that in twenty twenty one

488
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 4: or twenty when they did the late starts of the

489
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 4: season FOR covid and they did summer camp at Target

490
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 4: field instead of normal spring. Training they brought in umpires

491
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 4: and used what were robo umps at that, time and

492
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 4: the big question was pitchers were sort of messing around

493
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 4: with these, big high breaking kind of curveballs and basically,

494
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 4: saying CAN i drop this thing from the sky and

495
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 4: have it just kind of nick a corner of the

496
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 4: bottom of the. Zone but they've adjusted that it's only

497
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 4: a TWO d instead of a THREE d model that

498
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 4: they're using, now so that you can't just loop a. Ball,

499
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 4: interesting and so they HAVE i Mean i'm sure there's

500
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 4: going to be, yea like you're, saying are some complaints

501
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 4: within that inevitably the, technology there are kind of brownouts

502
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 4: that happen where if there's like a cloudy, day you

503
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 4: might miss a, pitch in which case you just have

504
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 4: to stick with whatever the umpire. Called and there are

505
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 4: going to be moments like that where people are kind

506
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 4: of questioning where we're at and it'll be adjusted from.

507
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 2: That BUT i don't.

508
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 4: Know I'm i'm an old guy at this, point AND

509
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 4: i don't like change in general in life or in,

510
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 4: sports BUT i really do think it adds it kind

511
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 4: of interesting. Element and ALSO i just get so sick

512
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 4: of in any sport the narrative around we got screwed

513
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 4: by the, OMPs we got screwed by the, rest and In,

514
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 4: minnesota obviously that's forever a, thing And i'm not saying it's,

515
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 4: Undeserved but at some, points like we can pretty easily

516
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 4: just use modern technology to get rid of even two thirds.

517
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 2: Of these, issues why not at least start down?

518
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 3: There shot two one Eight Guy Rights Strike strike's on

519
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 3: Hack sleep standing. Up, YEAH i guess nothing would surprise.

520
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 3: Me uh, see is a C B. Buckner is that

521
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 3: the name of the ref uh umpire text. Rights he

522
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 3: certainly needs replay a fill him. Around apparently you can't

523
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 3: tell if a guy touches the base right in front of.

524
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 3: Him see last Night's brewers.

525
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 4: Game he's had a rough, week and he got hit

526
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 4: by a pitch, today like an hour ago and left

527
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 4: the game.

528
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 2: Purposeful.

529
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 3: INTERESTING i bring this, up, though because the substitute producer

530
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 3: of this show is so into the schodenfreud of exposing

531
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 3: umpires and.

532
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 2: REFS i think he's not alone there. HE i, mean

533
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 2: before the show, begins he's yelling at in my. Ear it's.

534
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 2: Unbelievable he's still upset about That Ron herbeck deal.

535
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 1: About the infield fly from twenty. Twelve that'll work too

536
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: on the way. Back, yeah previous salty and.

537
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 3: General, yeah that's, very very. True i'm not sitting here

538
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 3: standing tall for a bad. UMPIRE i JUST i worry

539
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 3: about anything that makes the. FOCUS i just think there's

540
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 3: gonna be in this interim period so much of an

541
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 3: obsession that people are Not they're gonna have another reason

542
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 3: to not watch.

543
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: The baseball and the game and the flow of the game.

544
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 3: Too it blew another CALL i knew, it and IT'S

545
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 3: i guess to each their own if that's what attracts

546
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 3: you about a, game but to, me it has nothing

547
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 3: to do with what's supposed to bring.

548
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 2: You to the. Game, yeah, NO i mean that's.

549
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 4: TRUE i think as long as it to, me as

550
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 4: long as it's not adding significant, time AND i don't

551
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 4: think it. WILL i mean it's fair we're talking seconds

552
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 4: instead of, minutes even for a game that has a

553
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 4: lot of. Challenges the other Thing i've noticed, already and

554
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 4: you know you Said Derek shelton got.

555
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: EJECTED i was going to ask you about.

556
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 4: That it goes down in history as the FIRST abs

557
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 4: ejection for a. Manager the other, thing, Though i've seen

558
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 4: is you, know the rule, is let's, say for a,

559
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 4: batter it has to be your first movement to tap

560
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 4: your helmet to ask for a.

561
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 2: Challenge, Correct and what they're trying to stop there is any.

562
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 4: Influence from the dugout because you're supposed to only be

563
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 4: able to do it, yourself and so they don't want

564
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 4: to even out of the corner of your, eyes someone

565
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 4: to be able to look let's, say To Derek, shelton,

566
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 4: somebody whatever the, case and so what we've run into

567
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 4: because of, that AND i get why you'd want to do.

568
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 4: That there's been a couple instances where, it's you, know

569
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 4: the guy starts to take a step back to.

570
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 2: The dugout and, Thinks i'm going to challenge, this.

571
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 4: And the, umpires, who's by the, way probably motivated not

572
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 4: to have that, challenge, says oh, no, you it's too.

573
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: Late you can't do.

574
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 4: That and SO i wonder how many situations like that

575
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 4: where you're relying on the person who is theoretically being

576
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 4: proven wrong to also allow or disallow the. Challenge AND

577
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 4: i think that's some murky waters. Too if YOU'RE. C.

578
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 4: B buckner and you've already had five calls overturned in

579
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 4: the third inning and someone didn't make their absolute first

580
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 4: movement tapping their, helmet you can, say oh, no too,

581
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 4: late you can't do.

582
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: IT i don't want to be shown up. Again this

583
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 2: is for ninety seven three.

584
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 3: GUYS i have a feeling a lot of the old

585
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 3: head umpires will be retiring after this. Year well let

586
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 3: me ask you about, that because implied in that is

587
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 3: if you get younger, guys everything would be, fine WHICH

588
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 3: i don't.

589
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 4: Agree there is data on that though the data there's

590
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 4: a direct correlation between.

591
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: Age so does that have.

592
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 3: To do With, OKAY i have my strike, Zone i've

593
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: done it this way. Forever i'm not going to adjust

594
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 3: no matter what you. SAY i think it could be

595
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 3: a little of.

596
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 4: THAT i think it could be as simple as this,

597
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 4: eyesight you, know a thirty year old versus a sixty

598
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 4: old or. Whatever AND i also think that the younger

599
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 4: umpires are coming up through the miners being judged on

600
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 4: this specific strike, zone and so they are sort of

601
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 4: tailoring their own strike zone on what the rule book

602
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 4: abs strike zone. Is whereas you, Know Hunter wendelstat or,

603
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 4: whatever who's been in The major's already for thirty.

604
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 2: Years remember his, Father harry Wendeles. Stat for god's, sake

605
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: he's already got a strike. Zone he's been doing it

606
00:29:59,440 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: for thirty.

607
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 4: Years what is and isn't a strike At TRIPLE a

608
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 4: three years ago doesn't. Matter SO i think it's almost

609
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 4: like a self selecting group a little.

610
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 3: BIT i wish they would get rid of the rectangle

611
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 3: during the television, BROADCAST i swear that was the downfall

612
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 3: Of Dick. Bremmer The bremer was way too obsessed with

613
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 3: it one hundred percent as far as I'M i don't

614
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 3: have any to do his. Downfall but to, me it

615
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 3: used to drive me crazy because he would only bring

616
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 3: it up when it didn't suit the purposes of the home.

617
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 3: Team if you want to make a big deal about the,

618
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 3: rectangle then you got to do it whether it benefits

619
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,959
Speaker 3: your club or or or hurts your.

620
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: Club either.

621
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 3: Way on on The twins broadcast is the RECT i

622
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 3: don't even remember now in games.

623
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 4: As a, rectangle they're not showing as much like. It's it's,

624
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 4: there but it doesn't like. Automatic here's the one Thing

625
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 4: i'll say about the. RECTANGLE i know this was the

626
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 4: case a few years ago when it first. Started it's

627
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 4: not the accurate strike. Zone it doesn't adjust by. Player

628
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 4: and there's plenty of instances where to THE tv broadcast

629
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 4: it looks like a, strike and then you go ON

630
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 4: mlb Dot, Com Baseball, savant some of these sites that

631
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 4: are actually using the track data and it's not a

632
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 4: strike or vice. Versa AND i know people.

633
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: The announcers never never acknowledge, that do.

634
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 4: They so it's a it's a sort of guestimate of

635
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 4: the strike zone in real time like super real, time

636
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 4: which can have its own.

637
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 3: ISSUE i would say that's a good reason to not use, it, Though,

638
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 3: yeah well it gets people worked up too. Much sometimes,

639
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 3: unnecessarily we get worked up enough as it.

640
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 4: Is the Other it's funny also talking to people about,

641
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 4: this even just in, general with the addition of the

642
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 4: zone on broadcasts several years, ago where it's like some

643
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 4: people react to that and, say What i've learned is

644
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 4: umpires are pretty, good whereas other people react to it and,

645
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 4: go What i've learned is there's a dozen marginal calls

646
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 4: a game and they just coin. Flip there is a

647
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 4: limit to just what the human eye and that can,

648
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 4: do which is what you were getting out on the

649
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 4: ones that are you, know a tenth of an inch or.

650
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 4: Whatever it's like you're not right or wrong on, That

651
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 4: you're just in your head internally flipping a coin and the.

652
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: Call on every.

653
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 3: Pitch you, know it's the only sport in which literally

654
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 3: there are continuous calls to that extent that we can

655
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Speaker 3: react to and identify.

656
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 4: With BUT i also wonder like at the end of

657
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 4: the year when we, LOOK i suspect it's going to

658
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 4: be something like one percent of pitches get challenged, roughly

659
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 4: so you're dealing, with you, know one out of one,

660
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 4: hundred and THEN i wonder within, THAT i think teams

661
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 4: are going to push players to do them in high leverage.

662
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 4: Spots in other, words unless you are absolutely certain that

663
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 4: what you challenge is going to be, overturned you, know

664
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 4: ninety percent, certain if it's the second inning of a

665
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 4: tie game and it's a one to one, count.

666
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: Don't bother losing.

667
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 4: It whereas if it's extra, innings and if a tie

668
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 4: game and a three to two count with the bases,

669
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 4: loaded it almost doesn't matter if you think it's wrong or,

670
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 4: right you might as well just challenge it on the

671
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 4: one personal.

672
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 3: Chance SO i think as we get further down to

673
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 3: the BAS i, dot THE nba players understand, that.

674
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: RIGHT i really don't doubt, they because it's human.

675
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 3: Reaction it's a wrong. Call come, on let's do, it

676
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 3: let's twirl the. Finger but in all, honesty by that same,

677
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 3: logic it's probably not worth ever. DOING i don't think

678
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 3: it's hardly ever worth doing in the first half of a.

679
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 4: Game, YES i think, That and as we get further

680
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 4: along with this what we're going to, SEE i think

681
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 4: because this is what was shown in The miners when

682
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 4: they tested. It catchers are by far the most reliable

683
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 4: narrators of this thing because they're not as emotionally investive.

684
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 4: Pitchers they're used to framing the pitches and also just

685
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 4: the angle that they're taking is directly in the.

686
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: Zone hitters are pretty good at.

687
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 4: It pittures are horrendous at, It like they have by

688
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 4: far the lowest success rate because they're emotional because they

689
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 4: think everything should be a.

690
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: Strike, yep it's their pitch. Basically but also.

691
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 4: A lot of them are falling off the mound where

692
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 4: their back is, turned and we've seen a few instances

693
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 4: where a pictro call for it and it's like that

694
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 4: wasn't even. Close SO i think managers are going to

695
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 4: start more and more stressing don't waste these or even

696
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 4: risk wasting these in these non leveraged early. Spots save

697
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 4: them for the moments that really. Matter it's like using

698
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 4: a pinch hitter or something like why are you using

699
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 4: this guy in the fourth? Inning and then also we

700
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 4: trust the, catchers we sort of trust the, hitters we

701
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 4: don't even really WANT i won't be surprised if there's

702
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 4: several teams that are just like pictures.

703
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: Cannot, Challenge i'm not letting them challenge.

704
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 3: That actually might make some. Sense Aaron gleeman is in.

705
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 3: STUDIO i want let's get a pause in. NOW i

706
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 3: want to stay with another esoteric baseball. Subject we will

707
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 3: eventually get to the, twins ALTHOUGH i don't even know

708
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 3: if we need. To you can maybe help us with

709
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 3: that on the basis of what you saw in spring,

710
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 3: training your own, projections and what we've seen very early

711
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 3: in the season as. Well we'll try to mix in

712
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 3: some questions via The Bradshawn Brian kavan text line at

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00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 3: six four six eighty, six with More gleaman coming up next.

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Speaker 3: N here's my other esoteric question or subject. Matter i'm

721
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 3: reading that there is a rapid revival of a pitch

722
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 3: that had basically almost been eliminated From Major League baseball

723
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 3: in large measure because it was.

724
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: Believed that it ruined pitcher's.

725
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 3: Arms the split finger fastball is now, back allegedly bigger

726
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 3: and better than.

727
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: Ever and what is annoying to.

728
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 3: Me about this, is AND i guess it's you, know

729
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 3: you live and you, learn and maybe even the doctors

730
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 3: and the scientists do. Too how do we go from

731
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 3: worst pitch for a pitcher to throw to you know,

732
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 3: what on further, review we were wrong about. That there's other,

733
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 3: things but it's not necessarily related to the throwing of that,

734
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 3: pitch which comes from the old fashioned forkball correct back

735
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 3: in the.

736
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 4: Day, yeah AND i REMEMBER i Think Roger, craig not

737
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 4: the running, back but the manager with The, GIANTS i

738
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 4: want to, say maybe in the, SEVENTIES i want to,

739
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 4: say had a bunch of guys on his staff do

740
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 4: that he was sort of at the forefront of. That and,

741
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 4: YEAH i do remember even as a kid reading, like, oh,

742
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 4: yeah you, know you can throw, it but not for,

743
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 4: long like you, Know bruce super or something like. THAT

744
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 4: i think one of the things that was proven is In,

745
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 4: japan almost every good starting pitcher throws that has almost

746
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 4: like their change. Up and there's been Some american. Pictures

747
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 4: Even Joe, ryan for, instance ditched like a normal kind

748
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 4: of traditional change up for a little bit like of

749
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 4: a split or, hybrid because it can have the same

750
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 4: effect of just sort of dropping off the table low

751
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 4: in the strike, zone like it appears like a fastball

752
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 4: and then just sort of disappears, down which is what

753
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 4: you're going for a lot of times with the change.

754
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 4: Up and SO i think you kind of gradually saw

755
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 4: more and MORE mlb pictures lean into at least a

756
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 4: hybrid version of. That we're also just at the point

757
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 4: because of technology and the ability to track. Everything And

758
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 4: Joe ryan's a good, example like he will in a

759
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 4: given week just in the bullpen be, like, HEY i

760
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 4: was tinkering with the grip on my slider and we

761
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 4: Can it used to, be you, know you throw one

762
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 4: and someone, goes, hey it seemed like it cut a little. More,

763
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 4: well now you can track that on every, pitch even

764
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 4: in a bullpen or a side session or. Whatever so

765
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 4: pitchers have a lot more ability to tinker meaningfully and

766
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 4: actually try different, grips and they can almost test it without,

767
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 4: Hitters like you can get the characteristics of a pitch

768
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 4: and kind of know how it will play for the

769
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 4: most part before even testing it against live, hitters and

770
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 4: SO i think that plays a part. Too and you,

771
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 4: know pitchers are splitters a little bit, back there's now

772
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 4: differentiating between, curveball, slider, sweeper WHICH i know on noise,

773
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 4: people it's we're just thinly slicing more and more kind

774
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 4: of similar pitches that have slightly different. Characteristics to the,

775
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 4: point now guys are throwing multiple. Fastballs you, know there's four,

776
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 4: seam which is a normal. Fastball there's two seam that's a.

777
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 4: Sinker but out there's you, know a riding, fastball cutting,

778
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 4: fast but one that you, can Like Joe ryan throws

779
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 4: that almost appears to trick the brain that it's, rising

780
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 4: even though that's impossible because it's coming from a weird

781
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 4: angle with weird. Characteristics and so a lot of pitchers

782
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 4: now are trying to have multiple fastballs in addition to multiple.

783
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 3: OFFSPEEDS i thought the old fashioned fork ball was intended

784
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 3: to be also a pitch thrown, fast, yes and then but.

785
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: The splitter not so.

786
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 3: Much, Right the splitter is is at different speed.

787
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 4: Of a change up to AND i MEAN i, remember

788
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 4: Like Rick aguilera used to throw that as one of

789
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 4: HIS i, mean there are some examples of. IT i Think,

790
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 4: unfortunately we're just at the point whe're throwing a. Baseball

791
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 4: period is bad for, you it seems to. Be and so,

792
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 4: yes maybe some are worse than. Others, Uh and everyone

793
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 4: has an example that they point. To you, Know Nolan,

794
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 4: ryan everybody, goes why could he do? It, well he's superhuman,

795
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 4: basically but just the physical.

796
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 2: Act of throwing a.

797
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 4: Baseball and if everyone's getting hurt all the, time even

798
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 4: though innings counts are, shrinking you, know pitchers are throwing

799
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 4: fewer pitches than ever but getting more hurt than ever

800
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 4: because they're also throwing much much harder than, ever then

801
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 4: maybe everything's out the window in terms, of well this

802
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 4: pitch might have been a little worse for, you but

803
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 4: who cares because everybody's heard bring it. Back but, YEAH

804
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 4: i am curious to. See AND i also think The japanese.

805
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 4: Influence there's just so many Good japanese, players but especially. Pitchers,

806
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 4: NOW i, mean three fists of The dodgers rotation Is

807
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 4: japanese and they can all throw a. Splitter AND i

808
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 4: think people see success and it's a copycat, league a

809
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 4: texture who likes the esoteric.

810
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 3: Stuff here asks a good, question why aren't there any

811
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 3: screwball pictures Any, well what's a?

812
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 2: Screwball yeah that's. Interesting, yeah so where did all the

813
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 2: screwball pitchers?

814
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 4: Go the last ONE i remember was like in the

815
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 4: early two, Thousands jim May, seer who was like a

816
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 4: setup guy for The. A's it's basically you throw it

817
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 4: and you sort of twist your arm the opposite direction

818
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 4: as you're releasing, it and so it's kind of moves

819
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 4: a little bit like a reverse, slider like it moves

820
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 4: to the opposite.

821
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 2: Direction and so that was for many.

822
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 4: YEARS i don't know if this is true from a data,

823
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 4: standpoint but that was for many years viewed as, like,

824
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 4: oh you can throw, it but it'll. Wreck there's this

825
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,959
Speaker 4: weird fork, involved and it was almost like a little

826
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 4: bit like a knuckleball in that washed up guys who

827
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 4: were trying to resurrect their career would start to throw.

828
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: It a little bit because they had nothing to. Lose, so,

829
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: yeah that is one that has not made a. Comeback.

830
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 3: No the PITCHER i remember going way back who turned

831
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 3: into a great screwball. PITCHER i think his name Was

832
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 3: Jim brewer with The, dodgers AND i think he started

833
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 3: with The cubs was, awful and then went TO la

834
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 3: and they taught him the screwball and it changed his entire,

835
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 3: career and naturally it was you, know The cubs were

836
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 3: left in the.

837
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 4: Dark that is a source of, innovation especially among, pitchers is,

838
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 4: Like i'm really. Bad remember OUR A? Dickey, yeah, yeah,

839
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 4: right a normal pitcher who couldn't be healthy and couldn't be.

840
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 4: Good and then he, thought what IF i just throw

841
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 4: knuckleballs but hard instead.

842
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 2: Of lobbing them in? There and he wins The Cy Young.

843
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: Award two years later he's not good.

844
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 4: Anymore but you do stumble across a lot of that

845
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 4: in baseball, pitching more so that we have no knuckleballs?

846
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 2: Left do we knuckleball? Pitchers very?

847
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 4: FEW i mean only the position players who are thrown

848
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 4: in mop up situations are.

849
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 3: Throwing the question for, gleam and this is From paul

850
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 3: out Of, florida going back to our discussion about you,

851
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 3: know the balls and strikes. CHALLENGES a batter has a

852
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 3: three to one count run around first base is. Stealing

853
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 3: the ball is called a. Strike the runner is thrown.

854
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 3: Out batter challenges the pitch and it's rule ball. Four

855
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 3: now is the runner safe since it was ball? Four

856
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 3: the answer be yes on that? CORRECT i guess, YEAH

857
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 3: i think what. HAPPENS i don't know. THIS i haven't

858
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 3: seen this.

859
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 4: YET i think you need to play it out as,

860
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 4: if which you'll see often in like football or something

861
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 4: like they won't call a guy down because they'll let

862
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 4: the play. Happen ye review do to stop something that

863
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 4: might get reversed. Anyway BUT i don't know one hundred

864
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,919
Speaker 4: percent that that's the case in. Baseball so you spent

865
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 4: time in spring. Training we haven't really had that much

866
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 4: season begin. Yet it's just it's in its. Infancy what did.

867
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 3: You take away from spring training with the twins that

868
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 3: might be instructive even now given we've played very little.

869
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 4: Baseball, yeah, well you, know it was. Rough they Lose

870
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 4: Pablo lopez literally on day, one three hours into the,

871
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 4: thing and to me THAT i wasn't optimistic to begin.

872
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 4: With but any notion of them being, competitive to, me

873
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 4: was completely dependent on the starting rotation being very very,

874
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 4: good you, know top sure eight in the. League let's,

875
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 4: say and you Lose, lopez and then Also David fest

876
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 4: has been hurt and all of a, sudden you go

877
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 4: from having eight starters to six, starters and now it's, Like,

878
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 4: Wow Bailey ober's got some question marks, too because he's

879
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 4: thrown eighty eight miles an hour now and now it's, like,

880
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 4: well if the rotation isn't even really a strength relative

881
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 4: to the, LEAGUE i don't think the lineup looks. Great,

882
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 4: yeah struggled the last two years sort of the same,

883
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 4: core And i'm really extremely low on the, bullpen which

884
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 4: hasn't been a huge issue yet BUT i think will

885
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 4: be an. Issue and SO i kind of came away

886
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 4: from spring Training my opinion wasn't swayed one way or

887
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 4: the other because it was pretty low to begin.

888
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: With BUT i, thought, well if the rotation.

889
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 4: Isn't capable of at least carrying an otherwise kind of underwhelming,

890
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 4: roster then what do they have that's an advantage even

891
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 4: within THE Al, central which is not going to be

892
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 4: a great division as. Usual and so, YEAH i think

893
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 4: they're really facing an uphill battle. HERE i also think

894
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 4: the defense doesn't project to be very, good particularly in the,

895
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 4: infield particularly up the, middle short, stop second base With

896
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 4: lee And, KISHEL i think that's not going to help

897
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 4: a mediocre pitching staff as, is and then you also

898
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 4: you know you're counting on the usual stuff Of buxton staying,

899
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,959
Speaker 4: Healthy Joe ryan staying, healthy which has been a little

900
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 4: bit of a coin flip at. Times SO i don't

901
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 4: know THAT i think they are destined for one hundred

902
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 4: and ten losses or, anything BUT i think to, me

903
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 4: the cap is sort of competitiveness and the floor is

904
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 4: similar to last. Year where you get to the, deadline

905
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 4: which this year Is august, SECOND i, think and you're

906
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 4: a half dozen games below five, hundred it makes it

907
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 4: obvious that you, sell and then the question is how

908
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 4: much do they? Sell and then what do they have

909
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 4: from a talent standpoint to backfill those, spots because we

910
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 4: saw last year In august And september they didn't have

911
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 4: anything to backfill the. Spots they were calling up QUAD

912
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 4: a guys to just take roster, spots and they were

913
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 4: the worst team in the. LEAGUE i think they have

914
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 4: prospects in place that can step in. There but also

915
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 4: while their upside is higher than kind of the thirty

916
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 4: five year old veterans from last, year prospects can flop

917
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 4: right away, too so THAT i kind of see it

918
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 4: playing out similar.

919
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: To last, year where they're just kind of a run

920
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: of the mill bad.

921
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 4: Team for two thirds of the, season then they sell,

922
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 4: off and then they become a true bad team at the.

923
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: End gleam in two days.

924
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 3: AGO i try my best and mostly failed to make

925
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 3: sense for The twins Putting Cody clemens in the leadoff.

926
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: Spot what's this all? About?

927
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 4: Yeah THEY i personally don't understand why they're Overthinking Luke,

928
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 4: kisho who was very good as a rookie and, stylistically

929
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 4: he's a guy who makes a lot of, contact he takes,

930
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 4: Walks he's going to hit for a pretty good. Average

931
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 4: he doesn't have huge, power but he's when he's on,

932
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 4: base he can run to. Me whether that's old, school new, school,

933
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 4: whatever it's still. Valuable he's one of your best hitters

934
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 4: and he's a prototypical leadoff. Guy WHAT i want in

935
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 4: a leadoff guy is one of your best hitters because

936
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 4: you're giving him the most played, appearances fast and get on.

937
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 4: BASE i don't know why they're overthinking it and not

938
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 4: just putting him in the leadoff. Spot put And buckston,

939
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 4: second who's got. Power you want him behind your Best,

940
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 4: instead they're Batting buckston, second which is fine. Betting keishell,

941
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 4: third and then they don't have a leadoff, guy so

942
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 4: they're Using Austin martin against, lefties which makes a little sense.

943
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 4: Stylistically and, then as you, Said Cody clemens against righty's

944
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 4: no offense To Cody, clemens who's a useful, player but

945
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 4: he was essentially a waiver claim Last. April he's known

946
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 4: because of his dad is a great. Pitcher obviously the

947
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 4: skill he has that gets into The major is just

948
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 4: some left handed, power but he strikes out a. Lot

949
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 4: he's like a two zero five, careerator horrible on base,

950
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 4: percentage not a base.

951
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: Stealer, really why would you.

952
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 4: Take a guy whose only real strength is some power

953
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 4: and who's really deficient at the areas that you would

954
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 4: typically associate with batting first in a lineup and stick

955
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 4: him first in the.

956
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: LINEUP i JUST i don't understand.

957
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 3: That.

958
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 4: Now is it gonna matter if the team's bad, anyway

959
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 4: they're gonna end up tinkering with some. Stuff but to,

960
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 4: me it's just like Put keishall, first put bucks in,

961
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 4: second and then try to figure out the other seven,

962
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 4: spots because those two ARE i think very good.

963
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 2: Fits. There what do they say when you, ASK i

964
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 2: assume you have.

965
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 4: You, know they like the, matchup they think he can

966
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 4: jump start the. OFFENSE i will say this, like they

967
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 4: don't have a lot of good hitters. Period and so

968
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 4: if you're not going to Use kisho number one and

969
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 4: you're not going to Use buckston number, one it's you,

970
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 4: know two people want to See Matt wallner. One they

971
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 4: used him a little bit last. Year Josh bell's very,

972
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 4: slow they're not going to use. Him Royce lewis hasn't

973
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 4: been consistent enough to bat lead, off et, cetera et.

974
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 4: Cetera AND i think they would like a left handed

975
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 4: hitter Because keisho And buckston are both right. Handed you'd

976
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 4: want to avoid three straight right handed hitters to start

977
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 4: a lineup, basically SO i get the idea of just

978
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 4: kind of sticking a random left handed hitter up. THERE

979
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 4: i just, think to, me, Personally clemens is maybe the worst,

980
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 4: option just.

981
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 3: Stylistically All, right we got more twins to get. TO

982
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 3: i got a couple other potential trade, questions and then

983
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 3: maybe we'll try to mix in a little, wolves, okay

984
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 3: as well as we finally get to the pretty much

985
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 3: the stretch run Here. WOLVES i think down to seven

986
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 3: games left this. Season gleaman and if you have questions

987
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 3: For Aaron glehman six four six eight six is The

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00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 3: Brat Shawn Brian caffe and Text. Line kessler is in

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00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 3: studio beginning at about five. Thirty Andy luger in studio