1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Continue to work with the rerec southbound seventy one below 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: fieldsirdle left leans block traffic backing up close to Western Row. 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Then slow again between the Reagan Highway and Red Bank, 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: the earlier wreck and Kenwood clear southbound seventy five. That's 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: a slowgo in and out of Blackland northbound fourth seventy 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: one backs to Grand Now congratulations to Indiana winning the 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: national championship from college football. But quite frankly, our next 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: guest is a national champion in many categories, every single day, 9 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: no yellow flags, no unnecessary roughness. The judge is next 10 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: Chuck Ingram on fifty five krs the talk station. 11 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 2: Ay thirty two to fifty one KRC the talk station. 12 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: What is it with going on with Judge Enna Paula Tana. 13 00:00:55,800 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: Our video feed has frozen, suggesting that he's not hearing me. 14 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: I didn't see a reaction of the comments of Chuck Ingram, 15 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: so realize that that video is not working. Joe Strucker 16 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: is busily trying to get him on the telephone so 17 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: we can actually have a conversation about the American police 18 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: state arriving. So, Joe, did you successfully reach jud Jennen 19 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 2: of Politano, Yes, Judgin Polaitano, apologize to the technical difficulties. 20 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: This is two weeks in a row man. Welcome back. 21 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 3: No, there are grandparents out there that do not want 22 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 3: you and me to see each other. 23 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: That is true, but we still get to converse, and 24 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: that's good enough for me because what you have to say, 25 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 2: the words are what's important. Although I do like to 26 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 2: see your visage on the video screen. I hope you 27 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: and your your your loved ones are all well. Judgent Politano, 28 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: welcome back to the Morning show. 29 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 3: We do the right. 30 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: We have a freedom of assembly, we have free exercise, 31 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: we have the right to free speech, of course, and 32 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 2: we've got people on I guess I would argue both 33 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 2: sides of the political ledger seeking to curb and uh 34 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: uh and take away our right to free speech. Your 35 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: take on this the column which comes out tonight a minute. 36 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: I'm happy to get an early copy of it. The 37 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 2: American police state has arrived. 38 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 4: Judge Napolitano, Well, there are many aspects to this, but 39 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 4: the column just devotes itself to the freedom of speech aspect, whereby. 40 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 3: The government is attempting to chill the free speech that 41 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 3: it hates and fears detectives showing up at a lady's 42 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 3: house because she accuses one of the president's favorite members 43 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 3: of Congress of hypocrisy, a statement that is not violent, 44 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 3: absolutely protected speech, and is none of the business of 45 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 3: the police whatsoever. Our reporters home being raided by the FBI, 46 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 3: not because they're reported did anything wrong, but because the 47 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 3: government wants her cell phone, because she's communicating with whistleblowers 48 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 3: about the government, many of them about the FBI itself, 49 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 3: and of course efforts to threaten the governor of Minnesota, 50 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 3: of whom I'm not a fan, and the mayor of 51 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 3: Minneapolis a liberal Democrat. But these people have the same 52 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 3: free speech rights as the rest of us. You are 53 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 3: correct when you talk about rights clashing. So when freedom 54 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 3: of worship flashes with free speech, which prevails. Now here's 55 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 3: a great question. I used to ask law students, what's 56 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 3: the first right protected in the First Amendment. Every hand 57 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 3: goes up and says, free speech. 58 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: No, free exercise right? 59 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: Correct, the free exercise of religion. This is what the 60 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 3: courts would do if they are splitting hairs. When free 61 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 3: speech and free exercise clash, free exercise prevails. So whatever 62 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 3: happened in that church, the other day was absolutely wrong 63 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 3: and criminal for those people to enter the church to 64 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 3: disrupt the service. If you don't like the pastor because 65 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 3: you believe, accurately or not, that he's really an ice agent, 66 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 3: you can say what you want about him in such 67 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 3: a manner, time, place, and manner as not to interfere 68 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 3: with the religious service going on. That's not what happened. 69 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 3: They disrupted the religious service. I don't know if those 70 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 3: people were arrested or not. 71 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 2: Right, I understand the DJ is contemplating charges involving something 72 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 2: called the Face Act, but I'm just glad you definitely 73 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 2: cleared that up for me, because again, I think when 74 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: I responded to your email with passing along the article, 75 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 2: I'm thinking, hmm, we've got freedom of assembly, we've got 76 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: free speech, we've got free exercise, and then also the 77 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 2: right to the private property element. I don't think churches 78 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: are considered public property. The church still has control over 79 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 2: the property upon which it has the service. 80 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 3: The church. I don't know the law in Minneapolis, but 81 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 3: since it is a liberal state like New Jersey, I'm 82 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 3: going to guess the law is comparable. A church is 83 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 3: a public accommodation, so you do not have to be 84 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 3: an adherent to go there, But that does not give 85 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 3: you the authority to disrupt what goes on there, because 86 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 3: your right to disrupt is subordinate to the right of 87 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 3: those gathered there to worship as they see fit. Can 88 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 3: you stand outside and chant your opposition of what's being 89 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 3: said inside? Of course you can, but not in such 90 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 3: a manner as to interfere with what's going on inside. 91 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 3: You know, it's the fascinating history here. To give me 92 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 3: thirty seconds. The Faith Act is federal access access to 93 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 3: clinic entrances. So in the early nineties, the late Senator 94 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 3: Edward Kennedy legislation that would guarantee women access to abortion clinics. 95 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 3: The only way he could get it passed was that 96 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 3: he threw in a paragraph there protecting access to churches. 97 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 3: So if you look this thing up, you'll find it 98 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 3: under abortion it protects both abortion clinics in churches in 99 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 3: the same set. 100 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 2: This is really only in America. That is really actually comical, 101 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,799 Speaker 2: all right. So you have perhaps criminal activity, perhaps bringing 102 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: the law by doing that this sort of thing the 103 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 2: religious service from being done in the name of protesting 104 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 2: what's going in Minneapolis. What of impeding a federal law 105 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 2: enforcement officer doing his or her job. Now you have 106 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 2: on one hand your argument for free speech, which I embrace. 107 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 2: You know, if the governor wants to say something, if 108 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 2: the mayor wants to say something he doesn't believe in ICE, 109 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: he thinks they should be defunded. They're entitled to that 110 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 2: political opinion, and they may suffer as a consequace of 111 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: embracing it, or it may help them out in the 112 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 2: long run. But if you actually heed their advice, they 113 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 2: are suggesting that people should engage in disruption of ICE 114 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 2: doing its job. So this seems immaterial to whether or 115 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 2: not you think there should be laws on the books 116 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 2: allowing ICE to enforce immigration laws, whether the immigration laws 117 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: themselves are appropriate or accurate. But if they are engaged 118 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 2: in legitimate federal law enforcement, then it is a crime 119 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 2: to interfere with them, is it not. 120 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 3: But the crime is not committed by the speaker. No, 121 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 3: the crime committed by the person who does the interference. YEA. 122 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 3: You may argue that silently standing with your arms folded 123 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 3: in front of an ICE vehicle is a classic civil disobedience. 124 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 3: It is because it's not violent. You pay a price 125 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 3: for that civil disobedience, and that price is either either 126 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 3: a ticket obstructing the road getting out of the street 127 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 3: or a prosecution for obstructing justice. But the speaker who 128 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 3: calls for it, you know the case Brandenburgers not far 129 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 3: from where you are now. The speaker who calls for 130 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 3: this is absolutely protected. So I don't know where the 131 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 3: fens are going to go subpoenaing the mayor and the governor. 132 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 3: First of all, you don't subpoena the defendant in a 133 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 3: criminal case of dragging before the grand jury investigating him. 134 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 3: So maybe they've subpoena their cell phones or their office records. 135 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 3: It's hard for me to believe it's a subpoena for testimony. Secondly, 136 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 3: their speech is absolutely protected as long as there is 137 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 3: time you know the law as well as I may 138 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 3: be better time for more speech to challenge it. So 139 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 3: if if Tim Waltz or Jacob Price says, go block 140 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 3: those ice monsters, as long as there's time for Pam 141 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 3: Bondi or Christy Noms to say, don't block the ice monsters. 142 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 3: They're enforcing tederal law and we will arrest you if 143 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 3: you block them, then the speech is protected. If there's 144 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 3: no time it's hard to believe, but if there's no 145 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 3: time for countervailing speech, then the speech can be prosecuted. 146 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,239 Speaker 2: Now, I'm not suggesting thessarily have probable cause for the subpoenas, 147 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: but taking that to the next level, if these elected 148 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 2: officials or even anyone out in the world coordinates and 149 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 2: encourages criminal activity on a coordinated basis. In other words, 150 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 2: I want you minions to go out there and obstruct ice. 151 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 2: I want you to go out there and block roads. 152 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: I want you to go out there. And they coordinate 153 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 2: it and fund it and even provide goods and resources 154 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 2: to help them accomplish that goal. Are they not engaged 155 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 2: in what I would argue is subject to RICO organized crime? 156 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 3: Well, RICO requires the accumulation of some of some wealth. 157 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 3: I mean, the lynchpin of RICO is to see its 158 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 3: wealth from people. But I don't think you need to 159 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 3: go to RICO. Let's say the city handed out two 160 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 3: by fours and gave these demonstrators two by fours and 161 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 3: they're standing in the streets with these two by fours 162 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 3: and they use them to block the ice vehicles. Well, 163 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,479 Speaker 3: then whoever handed out the two by fours has engaged 164 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 3: in a criminal conspiracy to obstruct justice. That is not speech. 165 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 3: If the city says, on the other hand, go stand 166 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 3: in the street and make ice in their keep, that 167 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 3: speech is protected. So speech plus is the issue here 168 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 3: depends on what the plus. 169 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 2: Is it does indeed, judgedital Pulton, Judging Freedom? Is this 170 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: podcast or encourage you our listeners to check it out 171 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 2: all the time wherever you get your podcasts? Judgedital Pulton. 172 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 2: Who's going to be on Judging Freedom today? Sir? 173 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 3: I have two of my favorite academics, Professor Jeffrey Sachs 174 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 3: at ten and Professor Glenn Dieson from Norway with the 175 00:10:55,080 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 3: Norway understanding of President Trump's now infamous text message to 176 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 3: the Prime Minister of Norway. Hey, I'm going to go 177 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 3: for Greenland because you didn't give me the Nobel Peace Prize. 178 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 3: That's what we're talking. Yeah, hey, just like you have. 179 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 3: You can't make this up. You can't. 180 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: I'm with you all day long about that. I'm still 181 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: scratching my head of this old Greenland thing. Judg Jenenapallatina, 182 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 2: thank you for your willingness to participate in little time 183 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 2: here on the fifty five Carssey Morning Show. Every Wednesday, 184 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 2: and I look forward to next Wednesday as always, have 185 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 2: a wonderful week, my friend, back at you. It's a 186 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: forty three coming up next. Doctor Stephen urback running for Congress.