1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Rod Edward's back at studio here after a good time 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, and I hope you guys enjoyed our coverage 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: out there. 4 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 2: Nate Jackson in here in studio with me. 5 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 3: What's up man? 6 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: Hey? 7 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 3: Right? 8 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: How are you the radio voice guy? Hey? Hey, good 9 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 2: to see you man. Good to see you too. 10 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: By the way, as we were listening to some Sean 11 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: Payton press conference and now every single time we get 12 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: people texting in like I can only hear in Nate's 13 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: voice doing the impression. 14 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 2: So you've done that. 15 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: You've You've had a lasting impact on our listeners and 16 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: for the better. 17 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 4: Well, if I can add something to this broadcast, it's that, 18 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 4: and I hope to continue that because he continues to 19 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 4: give us good stuff. 20 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: He does, you know. 21 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 4: And there was a lot of consternation, if you will, 22 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 4: about why he wasn't out at the super Bowl doing 23 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 4: all the shows. 24 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 2: Well he's making he made up for it this week. 25 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 2: He did. He did all the shows. He did Pat McAfee, 26 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 2: he did, Rache Eisen. Did he do anyone? Did he 27 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 2: do your show? 28 00:00:58,920 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 3: No? 29 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: He did not. We we had George okay, but we 30 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: did not. We did not have Sean. So but that's 31 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: that's okay. 32 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 4: I mean, you're right, and he did thirty you know, 33 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 4: I've watched his press pressor he a pretty interesting thirty 34 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 4: two or thirty three minutes. Quite a few relative tow's 35 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 4: in there and situations. There's certain things that he says 36 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 4: in certain ways that he says certain things, you know, 37 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 4: like he's he likes talked about situational football, but he doesn't. 38 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 2: There's no t in it. It's a Dgdge Sidge situational. 39 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 2: But we learned, we learned some things, didn't we Did 40 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:36,639 Speaker 2: you learn some things this week? 41 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 3: Well? 42 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we learned a lot, you know, being 43 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: out there. 44 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: And that's one of the reasons it's not just about 45 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: hanging out with the prospects, right because I think a 46 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,199 Speaker 1: lot of people just assume the combin is about the draft, 47 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: and I mean that is a portion of it. But 48 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: you know, free agency is well over a week away, 49 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: and you know, usually there's a lot of rumblings of 50 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: things that happen around there. And then yeah, I mean, 51 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: of course Sean coming out and saying, hey, Davis web 52 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,279 Speaker 1: actually is going to call place. 53 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, he sort of said that, didn't he. He sort 54 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 2: of Yeah, Like he also he added some caveats. 55 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 4: Not really he said, I'll be calling the place. I 56 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 4: mean he kind of he didn't certainly did. I mean 57 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 4: I listened to it. 58 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: I was standing in front of him. I listened to 59 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 2: it as well. 60 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 4: Wait, there's the point at which he's basically said that 61 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 4: I'll be right there doing that too, kind of thinging. 62 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 4: So so I don't think it's going to be here. 63 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 4: Davis have had it, you know. Oh, I think that's 64 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,679 Speaker 4: exactly what it's going to be. No, I ain't beg 65 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 4: to diff Okay, all right, all right, well, I mean 66 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 4: I mean. 67 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: Listened to some let's see here, Uh what changes? Wait, 68 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: which cut to you? 69 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, so your ear is a little bit of it. 70 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 3: I don't know. 71 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 5: I think that, like I said, sometimes you feel like 72 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 5: your hand's empty because you're used to doing it, you know, 73 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 5: for twenty some years. But I think overall it'll slow 74 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 5: down a little bit. You'll see more of the game. 75 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 5: But I know that there's a lot of prior to 76 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 5: the game prep when you're calling one side of the 77 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 5: ball or the other. And so I know there's philosophy 78 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 5: some people believe in order to I think all methods 79 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 5: work all right, Historically speaking, all methods work. 80 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 3: You can be that it was our first. 81 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 5: Defensive play caller to win a Super Bowl, did a 82 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 5: great job. 83 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 3: They've we've had offensive and. 84 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 5: So I don't look at it that way as much 85 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 5: as just look, it's it's always looking at your own resources. 86 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 4: Okay, aside from the distracting fact that he doesn't finish sentences, 87 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 4: which is a thing, Yeah for sure. I mean, look, 88 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 4: you don't think he'll have a play sheet in his hand. 89 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 2: No, I mean he's still gonna have a play sheet. 90 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: He's that coach. Yeah, he's gonna have that. 91 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 4: Of course, because Mike Toman doesn't have a play sheet 92 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 4: in his hand. You know, he's still going to have 93 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 4: that play sheet. He's still going to be heavily involved. 94 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 4: H to what extent I think, you know, that's yet 95 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 4: to be determined. I think there's some kinks they're going 96 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 4: to have to work out, and the communication and you know, 97 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 4: Davis will a guy who's on the sideline usually not 98 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 4: gonna be on the sideline. He'll be up on the 99 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 4: boot right, and it's gonna go through Sean's you know, 100 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 4: it's not like Sean's not gonna be hearing what they're 101 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 4: talking about. Right, it's gonna be like they're on three 102 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 4: way there and uh, and he'll be able to override 103 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 4: or say let's run this play or that kind of thing, 104 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 4: which I anticipate him doing. 105 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 2: Hmm, okay, yeah, and you don't, well, I guess. 106 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: The way I I I'm gonna try to meet you 107 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: halfway on this is that Davis calls the plays. But 108 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that Sean doesn't have a Hey, you know, 109 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: it would be I think what I'd like to see 110 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: here is let's run it, you know, or I'd like 111 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: to you know, because because it's like maybe he's not 112 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: saying the specific run as far as that is, like hey, 113 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: I want to I want to run you know, half 114 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: back wham, you know, like he's not gonna sit. 115 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 2: There and call the play and say you don't think so. No, 116 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: I don't think it's be like that. 117 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: I think it's like, hey, more situational of situation, that's right, 118 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: situational situational where he's going to say, Okay, let's get 119 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: aggressive here, you know, let's let's do something like that, 120 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: and then and then David's like, all right, sounds good. 121 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 2: This is what we're gonna run like you. 122 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 4: Call that aggressive. That that that's your idea of aggressive, 123 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 4: I mean relative to aggression. No, I think it's gonna 124 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 4: be a work in progress for those guys. 125 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 2: And then I don't think it's. 126 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 4: Just gonna be Sewan like, hey, hands off, let's win 127 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 4: this thing, man, I'll talk to you after the game. 128 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: Well no, no, I mean he's still the head coach. 129 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: And he did, at least to me, you halfway say 130 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: that he's still the head coach, and and certainly he's 131 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: still kind of running things in that respect. But that 132 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's sequencing like he he very in my opinion, 133 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: because he was asked like a billion questions about it, 134 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: he very clearly told us that Davids Webb is now 135 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: the play caller and he has turned over play calling 136 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: duties to Davi's Webb. He told Pat McAfee the same thing. 137 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: So he's overplay calling. It doesn't mean that he doesn't 138 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: have a say, I. 139 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 4: Know, that's the line, that's the line, that's the company line. 140 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 4: That's where he went. He went out there to deliver 141 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 4: that line. Davis Webb calling plays, that's what's happening. Yeah, right, 142 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 4: that's that's the that's the news flash. 143 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 2: So you're going like tinfoil hat and like tinfoil hat. 144 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 4: I just think that that's a very easy way to 145 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 4: say something that's going to be a little more complicated 146 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 4: because when they were asked, like he was asked like 147 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 4: why did you why are you doing that? And he's like, Davis, 148 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 4: you know, he's really talented that kind of answer, you know, 149 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 4: to me, there was there's more to it. I think 150 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 4: that it was put to him that this is this 151 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 4: is the best thing. 152 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 2: For the team. 153 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 4: Ah interesting, and that this is probably the way it 154 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 4: should go. 155 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: So you now see that Now. 156 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 1: I'm excited that you you framed it that way because 157 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: that's been the discussions some of them, some of the 158 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: discussion out there in Indianapolis, Broncos fans wondering, all right, 159 00:06:58,120 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: did you come to this to on your own or 160 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: was this relayed to you as a way of like, 161 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: I think this could improve the team. 162 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's the case, and it's a way 163 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 4: to we could keep Davis web around, right, which you 164 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 4: were not going to be able to keep him maybe 165 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 4: maybe not. 166 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 2: Well, you're right, we don't know, you're right, we don't know. 167 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: Officially, I had heard from some people that he interviewed 168 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: very well out with the Raiders, and that the Raiders 169 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: were they were very serious about him, Like if I mean, 170 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: remember Clint Kubiak was the very last hire and that 171 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: was after the Super Bowl. But if they felt like 172 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: Davis could have done what Clint Kubiak could do, then 173 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: maybe they would have just pulled the trigger and done that. 174 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: So but he wrote withdrew his name, and there was 175 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: a couple o c interviews. I also heard he interviewed 176 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: very well out in Buffalo. But they obviously felt great 177 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: about Joe Brady, so it was fine. But yeah, it's 178 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: it's a great point because there's no guarantee that he 179 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: was gone. But if you think about it in terms 180 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: of the timing and maybe a little bit of a 181 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: lean from ownership where they're saying, and again we're there's 182 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: some speculation here, but I'm willing to ride with you 183 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: on that. 184 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, certainly speculation. We're trying to connect the dots here. 185 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 4: But when I do so, I look at, you know, 186 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 4: the ownership group, the Walton Penners, they're new, they're new 187 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 4: to the scene. They got they got themselves a new 188 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 4: quarterback that they believe in and they believe this guy 189 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 4: is the future. 190 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: Right. 191 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 4: Sean Payton is an old or older coach, right, and 192 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 4: he's going into year four as the Broncos head coach. 193 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 2: He was brought here to win a super Bowl. 194 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 4: If he doesn't win a super Bowl in five years, 195 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 4: would you re up Sean Payton if he doesn't win 196 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 4: you a super Bowl in the next two years? 197 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: No? Right? And so who's going to succeed him? 198 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 3: Now? 199 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 4: If you have that guy in the building, who's the 200 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 4: next hot guy? You know, America's next hot model. It's 201 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 4: Davis West, the next Sean McVeigh, Right, do you want 202 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 4: to let him leave and then have to be on 203 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 4: a search when you know when if and when or 204 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 4: if or or when it doesn't pan out with Sean. 205 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: I think it would be smart to try to do 206 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 2: what it. 207 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 4: Takes to keep a guy who you think it could 208 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 4: be your future head coach. And if that's the case, 209 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 4: you got to you got to give him what he. 210 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 2: Wants to stay. 211 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 4: And then you tell Sean Payton, who you're paying almost 212 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 4: twenty million dollars a year he works for you. It's 213 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 4: kind of something you'd be like, all right, if that's 214 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 4: what it takes, then let's do it. 215 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 2: Oh, here's a little more from Seawan Payton. 216 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 5: And no, it wasn't that because look, we finished tenth 217 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 5: this year and we had a good team. There's certainly 218 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 5: things that we want to be better at, but it's 219 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 5: also being quicker. 220 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 3: And look, it's. 221 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 5: It's it's only if there's someone that you feel like 222 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 5: is good enough to do that, you know, and he'll 223 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 5: have that opportunity. And like I said, having done this before, 224 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 5: I can recall how it was. And I'm sure the 225 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 5: there's going to be times where I said this is 226 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 5: what I want to run or so, but I there's 227 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 5: trust there, the trust with with his ability and and 228 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 5: trust in our relationship. 229 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 3: Well kind of know, wouldn't know. 230 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: You know, the last question if you couldn't hear it 231 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: was asked if Bo was part of this decision, and 232 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: he said no, he wasn't. Although I would say if 233 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: Bo disagreed with the decision, as if as if BO 234 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: didn't believe in Davis Webb, then this wouldn't be happening. 235 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: So I mean, whether you actually checked in with bo 236 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: Nicks before you made this decision or not, you had 237 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: to know as ownership as a coaching staff that this 238 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,839 Speaker 1: would be received well by bo Nicks because if if 239 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: it wasn't, then then it wouldn't wouldn't have happened. 240 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: So yeah, I like listen. 241 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: I think it's an interesting framing of it, you know, 242 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 1: And I don't want to go too far down the hypotheticals, 243 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: but I like it in terms of what you said 244 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: playing it forward, you know, a couple of years, and 245 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if that you'd be able to work 246 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: something out where he'd be the guy or otherwise. 247 00:10:58,880 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 3: Right. 248 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: I think the timing is fascinating too, because you were 249 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: in the AFC Championship game and I'm not saying Sean's 250 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: getting demoted, but there's a feeling about this that something's 251 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: being taken away from him. So if we play it 252 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: out the way you're talking about, well, that's kind of weird, 253 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: isn't it. Like it's weird if you're a top ten 254 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: or top well, I mean, let's s' they're overall numbers. 255 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 2: They're tenth in yards, Yeah, they're tenth in yards. 256 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: They were fifteenth and yards for play, fourteenth in points, 257 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: sixteenth and rushing, eleventh and passing, So it's kind of 258 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: a you know, top third of the. 259 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 4: League, right, And that's so that being and that sound 260 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 4: boy you just played Champagne saying, look, you know, we're 261 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 4: tenth and we had a good team, and eh, it's 262 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 4: not good enough. And so to act as if the 263 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 4: impetus for this change wasn't based on a poor performing offense, 264 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 4: I think it's disingenuous. And for him to say, like, 265 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 4: tenth is pretty good, No, it's not that good. When 266 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 4: you're Sean Payton. Look at his track record, he's you know, 267 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 4: look at New Orleans. It's one, two or three in 268 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 4: every category every year on offense. Right, So something is 269 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 4: missing from that formula, whether it's just time changes the league, things, 270 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 4: defenses change your personnel, your ability to communicate with a 271 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 4: younger generation, your staff, whatever it might be a moment 272 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 4: in time, you can't harness it as well as you 273 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 4: did back then. Everyone's caught up to your schemes. They 274 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 4: know what you're gonna do. 275 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 2: Well, don't you think we get better with your three 276 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 2: of bon Nicks, like just naturally. 277 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 4: Yes to no, because everyone else gets better too, you know, 278 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 4: and everyone. And also we have this defense that was 279 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 4: championship level defense last year that may not be as 280 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 4: good next year, and you have to expect I mean, 281 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 4: you want him to be, but you have to anticipate 282 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 4: that the defense is not going to carry you the 283 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 4: way they did last year, right, And so the offense 284 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 4: has to get better, and he mentioned it needs to 285 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 4: be quicker. Now, I think that was probably one of 286 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 4: the sticking points that critics, even in the building, would 287 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 4: have of the offense. 288 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 2: It needs to be quicker. You need to get the 289 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 2: plays in faster. 290 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 4: And whether that means shrinking the playbook, you know, getting 291 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 4: on it, whatever it might be. Sean, that wasn't good 292 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 4: enough because you're stepping the line of scrimmage with nine 293 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 4: seconds left on the play clock. 294 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: The defense is not being fooled by anything you're doing. 295 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 4: You can't hard count, you can't do any kind of 296 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 4: cool motions and see what they do and then react 297 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 4: to that. 298 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 2: You can't check with me at the line. You can't 299 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 2: change your play. 300 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 4: None of it because you are taking too long to 301 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 4: get the play in and by the time I relate 302 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 4: it to the guys who get to the line of scrimmage, 303 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 4: there's not enough time to pay attention to what the 304 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 4: defense is doing. 305 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: So maybe this is part of it. As well, so 306 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: you're not supposed to drive to night in the rain yep, 307 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 2: and he's calling an uber. Now, I still think about 308 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 2: that all the time. 309 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: Now, interesting points to that, and I was thinking about 310 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: it while were breaking that down all of the SUDD 311 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: institutions as well, Like now that you have a new sequencer, right, 312 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: I mean, and again I'm with you that Sean is 313 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: going to have a role in all this, but just 314 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: roll with me. Dave's web is going to be primarily 315 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: the sequencer. He's gonna be primarily the play caller. So 316 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: if that ends up being the case, and he already 317 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: knows Bnix likes to play early, he likes to work 318 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: with tempo, and it's not really. 319 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 2: Great for the offense. It has not been great for. 320 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: The offense to constantly substitute guys in different packages, different formations. 321 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: So I'm wondering, and we haven't just talk about this week, 322 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: if that's also something. 323 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 2: That's gonna be different this year. I sure hope. 324 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 4: So yeah, you too, And I think all the skill 325 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 4: position players hope so as well. Because it's confusing. You 326 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 4: got to stand on the sideline next to the one 327 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 4: coach who tells you the personnel group and you're waiting 328 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 4: for it, and you're waiting for it, and you hear 329 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 4: it and you run on and those guys run off. 330 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 2: And if they don't hear you got to wait till 331 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 2: they hear you before you get in the huddle or 332 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 2: you're gonna get a penalty. 333 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 4: And that's precious, precious seconds. 334 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: And then the other team gets a chance to substitute 335 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 2: as well. 336 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 4: My question is, though, and if they do determine that 337 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 4: they're going to do less of that, does that affect the. 338 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 2: Way you build your roster? 339 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 4: Good question, because you don't need these gadget guys who 340 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 4: do this one thing good and then they go off 341 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 4: the field and this other guy comes on. 342 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 2: Who know, you have football players who can do it all. 343 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 4: So everyone who's on the field can run any play 344 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 4: we have in the book, so we don't have to 345 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 4: substitute all the time. So maybe we don't go after 346 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 4: a joker, or we don't prioritize the joker. Okay, we 347 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 4: prioritize a jack of all trades in in a sense 348 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 4: tight end who can run, block and run routes and 349 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 4: catch up the football and pass. 350 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: Pro which I mean, if we're being honest of what 351 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: of the priorities this offseason. You would want that any 352 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: either way, right, even if you are going to continue 353 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: doing the substitution stuff. You need a guy that's an 354 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: upgrade for Adam Trumpman. Now, whether you bring Adam Trumman 355 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: back or not. I mean, and I don't have a 356 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: problem with because it's probably on a vetman or something 357 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: around that. You need some deaths. You need some guys 358 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: that are reliable and know what you're trying to do. 359 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: But that seems to be the spot, especially if ev 360 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: anyone is going to make this team. And by the way, 361 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: you know Ben Ben pointed this out and I don't 362 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. I want to get your thoughts on it. 363 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure he'll talk about a Broncos country tie a 364 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: little bit, he said. When he was watching Davis call plays, 365 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: It's get a preseason game. He said, he feels like 366 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: there's some air raid a little bit to what he 367 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: wants to accomplish out there with with the offense. He 368 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: said that could actually be great for Evan Ingram. He's 369 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: like Evan air raid. Well, you know, I mean, we're 370 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: not going full Mike Leach here with with with the 371 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:32,239 Speaker 1: air raid concepts, but a little bit more aggressive downfield 372 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: obviously the tempo stuff that you're going to be working 373 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: with there. 374 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 2: I don't know. 375 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I had to Peel's brain a 376 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: little bit more on that, but he just said that 377 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: there was some tendency stuff that he when he went 378 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: back and watched that preseason game, he said there was 379 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: a just a few markers of it that that sort 380 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: of jumped down to him. 381 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, you know what I'm if I'm go 382 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 4: back and think about that game of what I remember, 383 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 4: I felt like there was more cohesion and connection between 384 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 4: the running game and the passing game, and there was 385 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 4: more set this up to the play action to the 386 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 4: keeper game and that kind of thing. There was more 387 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 4: continuity and it wasn't so much like, Okay, these guys 388 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 4: are on now for this group of plays. 389 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 2: Now they're often now these guys are on for this 390 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 2: other package we have. 391 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 4: It seemed as if there was more sort of momentum 392 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 4: with the guys on the field who could run these 393 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,239 Speaker 4: different plays no matter what defense you put out there. 394 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 4: So again, that's one game. It's a preseason game. The 395 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 4: preseason playbook is pretty tiny. You know, there's not a 396 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 4: whole lot of it's very vanilla, so there's not you're 397 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 4: not really game planning, so it's like your first day 398 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 4: of camp sort of install. But those are basic football 399 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 4: plays at work, and there's answers to any coverage. 400 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 3: You have out there. 401 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 4: And so those are the plays at receivers and tight 402 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 4: ends like to run because they're simple. 403 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 2: There's answers for everything. 404 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 4: Pick a side, pick a guy, pick a matchup you'd like, 405 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 4: and throw the ball clear. The quarterback likes it too. Yeah, 406 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 4: everyone likes that. The coaches don't. Well, some coaches do, 407 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 4: but the coaches who want to be the reason, yes, 408 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 4: why something works have a harder time with the simple 409 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 4: stuff and a. 410 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,239 Speaker 1: Right on the head man and that and that is 411 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: maybe another part of this decision, right, he's a little 412 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: bit of all right, well, uh, let's let's let's put 413 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: this more in the hands of the players. 414 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, Davis is not going to stand up in front 415 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 4: of the team and say, well, this is what worked 416 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 4: for us in New Orleans. He's not going to put 417 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 4: on cutups of Michael Thomas and Marcus Colston and Jimmy 418 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 4: Graham and those guys and talk about how what it 419 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 4: was like you know on this one Monday night game 420 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 4: when look it was going into the fourth quarter and 421 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 4: these players, he's not gonna do that and the. 422 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 2: And then not finish what he was actually gonna. 423 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 4: Then anytime you get up, you'll see that when there's 424 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 4: a then you have to do the and then you 425 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 4: can see that definitely there's a and then you'll know. 426 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 2: Good, they don't want that, right So, but but there are. 427 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 4: I think some things they got iron now ahead of time. Yeah, 428 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 4: you know, is Davis going to be the architect of 429 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 4: this offense? And if so, is his offense going to 430 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 4: look different? And how is that going to look different? 431 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 4: And how is that going to affect the players and 432 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 4: what they're. 433 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: Asked to do, all within the structure, of course of 434 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: Champagne's offense. 435 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 2: Same language. That's right. 436 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 4: Davis isn't walking in with a new playbook and saying. 437 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 2: Here's my system. No, no, this is this is Sean 438 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 2: Payne's system. 439 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: But to your point, the way you're setting it up, 440 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 1: like using the run to effectively work with. 441 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 2: The pass witch. 442 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: At times, you have been I have been many people 443 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,479 Speaker 1: have been critical of Sean where it doesn't feel like 444 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: you have a cohesive attack here you're like, you're just 445 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: kind of throwing things against the wall, and sometimes it 446 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: feels like you just abandoned the run, or sometimes you're 447 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 1: running when it doesn't. 448 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 2: Make a lot of sense. 449 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: And then some of the past concepts, I mean, the 450 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: billion screen passes, when it seems like that's exactly what 451 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: they're playing for, is the screen and you're just hoping 452 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: your players will break a tackle. 453 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 2: Having bo Nicks lead. 454 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 1: The league in passing attempts, there's just sort of a 455 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: way that they went about it that it felt counterintuitive. 456 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: And again we sit here and get to talk about 457 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: it on the mic. 458 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 2: He has to. 459 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: Actually, I'll go out there and do it. But that's 460 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: kind of to your point. It's like, Okay, well, you 461 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 1: watch Andy Reid and the way that he orchestrates things, 462 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: or Sean McVay or Kyle shanahan. 463 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 2: There's a method to the madness, if you will. 464 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, there's an aggressive nature with the running game 465 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 4: and the play action pass game that we don't have here. 466 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 2: And I think that, you know, with Davis web taken. 467 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 4: Over the play calling, there were times in the last 468 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 4: couple of years when the defense of the opponents of 469 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 4: the Broncos didn't seem like they were fooled or confused 470 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 4: at all about what the Broncos were gonna do. 471 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 2: Right, It just seemed like they sort of had it pegged. 472 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 4: There's no book on Davis web Nobody knows what he's 473 00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 4: gonna do. 474 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 2: What is his philosophy, what does he what does he 475 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: care about? 476 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 3: You know? 477 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 2: What does he like to establish? 478 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 4: Nobody knows that, And so I think that's an advantage 479 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 4: for the Broncos. 480 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 2: Hundred present all right. 481 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: Often rolling enter Friday, very excited to be here with you. 482 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: Nate Jackson, Ryan Edwards will come back. There is some 483 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 1: breaking news on the Broncos. We'll get to a next 484 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: I go back and forth with Dave. Not a big 485 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: Eagles fan. 486 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 2: Oh, I was a part of the lore. I was 487 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 2: out of the loop on that hasn't happened on days 488 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 2: i've been in here. 489 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 3: You're wrong, but. 490 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 2: You're wrong. 491 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: But that's what David say. And Dave's gonna be back Funday. 492 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: By the way, for all the people that usually we 493 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: didn't even do the Dave's not here at the beginning. 494 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, I know what we can come at four o'clock. 495 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: Four o'clock, Zach. 496 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 3: Have it ready? 497 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: Because I know the listeners of the show want to 498 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: know Dave's not here, but he's going to be back 499 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: on Monday. 500 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:49,719 Speaker 2: Look get forward to that. I had a Jackson though 501 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 2: a studio, which I'm. 502 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: Very happy about that. So it's news today for the Broncos. 503 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: Quite a few bits of news. First of all, the 504 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: big one, the Broncos are a place a second round 505 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 1: tender on Jquon McMillan five point eight million. 506 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 2: There's a lot of speculation if they would go original round. 507 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: He's a restrict free agent, so there's a lot of 508 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: speculation where they were going to go with an original 509 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: round tender, which he was an undrafted player, which would 510 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: have been about three point five I think, and then 511 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 1: if they would have done that, and again I don't 512 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: know if I any explain the tenders at all, but 513 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: second round tender very quickly means that they have rights 514 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: to match, and if they opt not to match, then 515 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: they get a second round pick from the team that 516 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: ended up signing him. So simplest, simplest turns original round 517 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: tender basically acknowledging, hey, go sign wherever else. We have 518 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: rights to match, but we're going to get nothing in compensation. 519 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 2: Back for it good. 520 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 521 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, So the. 522 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: Implications that we have a couple other pieces of news 523 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: with Julia mcgloughlin's tyler, but they get to that. But 524 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: for the moment, as we look at things with Jquon McMillan, 525 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: he's sound his agent talking with the media and we're 526 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: gonna LUKEA. Evans joining us for about an hour talking 527 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: with the media. It sounds like the expectations Jakeqwon McMillan 528 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: has can be playing for the Broncos this year. A 529 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: lot of there was speculation about whether there was gonna 530 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: be Johnny Barron gonna be there at your nickel or 531 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: ja Quon coming back. 532 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 2: It sounds like Jaiquon's gonna be your nickel this year. 533 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 2: What was your reaction? Great? 534 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 3: Me too? 535 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 2: Great man? 536 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 3: I mean like. 537 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 2: Some of the biggest plays of the year. 538 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 4: Definitely one of the top five top ten biggest plays 539 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 4: in Broncos history, that pick that he had against the Bills. 540 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 4: A very opportunistic player. You love his story, They love 541 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 4: him in the locker room. It sends a great message 542 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,959 Speaker 4: to everyone else when he gets rewarded for doing things 543 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 4: the right way, a ton of confidence and only getting 544 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 4: better does things the right way. And also, you know, 545 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 4: you got to be careful letting a guy walk who's 546 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 4: been really, really good for you. And I think, you know, 547 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 4: in the same breath, I've heard you and others advocate 548 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 4: for trading Riley Moss. I think that would be a 549 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 4: huge mistake, and I don't think they should do it 550 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 4: because that defense played very well. 551 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 2: That chemistry is intact. Don't mess with that. 552 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 4: If you can, the more pieces on that defense you 553 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 4: can keep in place exactly where they are. You do 554 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 4: that because you don't know what's gonna come in their place. 555 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 4: And I know people are like, you know, John A. Barron, 556 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 4: you gotta play him, he's a well why, I mean, 557 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 4: why why do you got to play him? You know, 558 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 4: depth at that position is incredibly important. You were pretty 559 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 4: fortunate with a lack of severe injuries last year. This 560 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 4: thing might not be that the case coming you know 561 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 4: this next season. The more ballers you have in that room, 562 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 4: the better. And he's one of them. Jake Wan McMillian. 563 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 4: I think he's, you know, on a. 564 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 2: Team that struggled to get takeaways, and. 565 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 4: You heard Sean Payton talk about that the meat on 566 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 4: the bone, the meat on the bone was they got 567 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 4: to take away the ball more and Jake Kwan is 568 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 4: one of the guys who's doing that. 569 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 2: You got to keep him around. Hopefully they do. 570 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: And there's a sense that, of course you're going to 571 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: try to get some opportunities for Johnny Baron, but I 572 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 1: don't think you have to force it. I wouldn't force 573 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: so to your point, like, I'm not actively like announcing 574 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: that I'm trading Riley Moss. Now, this will open up 575 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: some speculation because he's going to a final year of 576 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: rookie contract, So the speculation was already gonna be there 577 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: either way. 578 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 2: But if ja Kwi. 579 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: Mcmill is back, which again by this by putting in 580 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: a second round tender, that means another team's gonna give 581 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: you a second round or for him, that's probably not 582 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: gonna happen. So he's gonna be back on a one 583 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: year deal for five point eight million, which is a 584 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: really good spot for the Broncos. It's gonna be good 585 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: for him, Like you said, it rewards him for playing well, 586 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: and he wants to stick around. Anyways, I'll get to 587 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: some comments from his agent that he told the media 588 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: out there in Indianapolis. But the agent said that he 589 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: thinks that there's gonna be competition between john A. 590 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 2: Baron and Riley Moss on the outside. 591 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: That's a fascinating spot because Riley Moss has proven that 592 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: he's a starting caliber boundary corner. 593 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Johnny Barron has proven nothing. So what does the 594 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 2: agent know? 595 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 4: Why is he Well, that's what I'm saying, like coming 596 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 4: from the agent, this is why he said that because 597 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 4: he wants because Jaddey Baron is not gonna be a 598 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 4: problem for us. He's going to be competing on the outside. 599 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 4: He's not going to be competing at Nickel. Okay, that's 600 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 4: ja Quon's spot. They like Joad Day on the outside, 601 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 4: they like Jaquon on the inside. And I don't think 602 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 4: that the agent has insight as to who's competing for 603 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 4: I mean, of course the agent is talking with George 604 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 4: Peyton and in detail about what Ja Kwon's role is 605 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 4: going to be. 606 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 2: But you got to go prove it every year. You 607 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 2: got to prove it. Riley's got to prove it. Ja 608 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 2: Kwan's got to prove it. 609 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 4: Even Ps two has got to prove it. Everyone has 610 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 4: to prove it every year. Starting day one of Camp 611 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 4: or OTAs or whatever it is. And I don't when 612 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 4: I'm when I look at Ya Day, he's you know, 613 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 4: he's just he's he looks like more of a nickel 614 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 4: to me than an outside corner. Riley is longer, rangeier, 615 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 4: long arms. You know, we haven't seen what Jada Baron 616 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 4: could do out there, but I think probably everyone's competing 617 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 4: and then and you know they'll they'll figure it out. 618 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 2: So here's the quote from the agent. H Gilmore is 619 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 2: his last name. 620 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: I told Jay Kwan, I said, they have to give 621 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: Jaday every opportunity to win and be the guy. He's 622 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: got to take that corner job and lock it down. 623 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: They don't want to give it to him. He can 624 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: do it, though, but they really would love for him 625 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: to be great, or Tan to be great, j Mack 626 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: to be the nickel and Riley to be the specialty guy. 627 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 2: Is how he framed that. I don't see that. What 628 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 2: is a specialty guy? What does that even mean? Well, 629 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 2: I guess that would be your dime. Yeah, such a situational. 630 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 4: You don't have a lot of four corner on the 631 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 4: field situations, no, but you want to be at. 632 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: Least four deep, like like in Toy's NFL. You want 633 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 1: to be, and I say four deep, I mean like 634 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: starting caliber player. I mean not every position, but especially 635 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: corner because there is there is some rotation, there's some injury, 636 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: and in a passing league, especially what it's become, the 637 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: last thing you want to do is find out, okay, 638 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: well this guy's gonna be and pass ertain went down 639 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: for three games, right, yep, it was four weeks to 640 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 1: got down out there. Chris Abrams train is still here, right, 641 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: and he got some opportunities. But also Jade Barn got 642 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 1: a little more run during that time. So that that's 643 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: really what this is about, is you'd like to be, 644 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: you know, I mean you obviously want five, maybe even 645 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: six DB's cornerbacks, but you want to at least have 646 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: four really really good ones if you can. So I 647 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: really like this position for the Broncos either way, like 648 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: no matter what. And that's why I wouldn't be so 649 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: quick to move on from Riley Moss. But you know 650 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: how this is, man, you want to prove that that 651 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: pick is a good one, like you. 652 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 2: But I don't think you do. 653 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 4: I don't think anybody in that building is like we 654 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 4: gotta prove that Jade Barn was a good pick. So 655 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 4: the folks on the airwaves cut us some slack and say, hey, 656 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 4: that pig panned out. 657 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 2: I don't think that organizations look at it like that. 658 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 4: Yes, they want to hit on their first round draft pick, 659 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 4: but it doesn't always happen. 660 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 2: So you pick a guy you think is gonna help 661 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 2: your team, and if he turns out, he does great. 662 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 2: If he doesn't, you don't sweat it. 663 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 4: You don't try to fit him in there just because 664 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 4: so people give you a better draft grade on that class. 665 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think you know. 666 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 4: Riley Moss surprised a lot of people this year in 667 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 4: his durability. Number one, he was available every single game. 668 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 4: He had some injury issues his first couple of years, right. 669 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 4: But number two, I think his competitiveness and his eagerness 670 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 4: to be opposite passer tan and say yes, I want. 671 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 2: It, I want to smoke, bring it to me. He 672 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 2: did not shrink, He rose to the occasion. Was he 673 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 2: perfect He was not, But he did have. 674 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 4: A pretty low completion percentage on him right, one of 675 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 4: the lowest in the league, and he got attacked a lot. 676 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 4: It's a rare kind of guy who's ready for that 677 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 4: action across from PS two. 678 00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 2: You are gonna get it. 679 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 4: So are you comfortable with taking a guy out who 680 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 4: proved that he can do it, did it all season long, 681 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 4: and it had a type of performance that helped you 682 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 4: get all the way to the FC Championship game, and 683 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 4: then replace him with a guy who didn't even play 684 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 4: much just because he's a first round pick and you 685 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 4: want to prove that it's a good pick. Do you. 686 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: The problem with it is is I understand both sides 687 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: of this argument. You know, I'll tell you what. I'll 688 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: answer that question when we come back and Tyler Baday 689 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: get to that coming up here at the top of 690 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: the hour. 691 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 4: Well. 692 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: Also have Luca Evans joining us from Indianapolis. I think 693 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: he's gonna be flying back here this afternoon, but we'll 694 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: try to check in with him. The running backs, wide receivers, quarterbacks, 695 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: I'll talk today, so we'll get some insight on that 696 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: I unfortunate missing because I was flying back. But I 697 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: want to get him some of his thoughts, maybe some 698 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: things that he heard out there as we were just 699 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: talking to the break Nate about some of the buzz 700 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: on things. 701 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 2: We can get to a couple of things on that 702 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 2: in a minute. 703 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: But you're asking me about playtime for Jada Baron and 704 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: sort of expectations, and I tend to be and I 705 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: liked the way. 706 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 2: I'll just borrow for now. 707 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: Where Trevor sikomare our good friend from a pro football focus. 708 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: I had a chance to catch up with him out 709 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: there with the combine and he said, for me, first 710 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: round picks are hits, and it really is for all players, 711 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: but first round picks especially are hits if they're second 712 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: contract players. And if you can get to a second 713 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: contract with a guy, then you feel like that was 714 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: a hit. That was that's a good player. It doesn't 715 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: have to be a gold jacket player. Doesn't have to be, 716 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: and that's great they are, but it doesn't have to be. 717 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: That doesn't have to be a ten year player, because 718 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: people used to say that, no get to a second contract. 719 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: So if Jade Baron is a thirty percent player his 720 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: first year, he gets upwards of fifty to sixty percent 721 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: in his second year because he's in rotation or whatever 722 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: it ends up being, and then maybe by year three 723 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: when Riley Moss leaves in free agency. Now Jade Baron 724 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: is a full time starter and that leads to a 725 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: couple of Pro Bowls and a future contract. 726 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 2: Well, then what are we doing? Like nobody's losing sleep 727 00:31:58,680 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 2: over that scenario. 728 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: There are some fans out there that are still grousing 729 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: about Jodey Baron not starting his rookie year, and maybe 730 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: would still grouse about the idea that he didn't start 731 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: a second year. But if you paint a picture of 732 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: long term, this guy is going to be opposite Patcher Tanner. 733 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: He's playing in the nickel right, and he's gonna be 734 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: on the field of lots and he's gonna be a 735 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: multi time pro bowler and one of the great Broncos 736 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: secondary players. I mean, what are we doing here? He's 737 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: gonna lose sleep on that. 738 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 4: You growser has got to stop grousing a lot of grousing, grousing, 739 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 4: all of grousing. But you see on my points, I do, 740 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 4: but I think that Look, if Riley Moss wasn't as 741 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 4: good joad De Baron would be playing, Riley beat him out. 742 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 2: Riley played better than him, and he might actually beat 743 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 2: him out if there's a competition. 744 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 4: Again, great, that means he's really good. So I don't 745 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 4: think they got it wrong with Joadday Baron. It's just 746 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 4: you got a guy who's playing better. So why would 747 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 4: you force Joadday Baron in there to justify the first 748 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 4: pick and to please the grousers? 749 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 2: Right, the result is a top three defense. 750 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 4: The result is a championship level defense with a cornerback 751 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 4: who's playing just as good as anybody in the league. 752 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 4: Why would you upset that because you want to make 753 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 4: sure the first round pick gets out there. He got 754 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 4: beat He got beat out in camp. Riley beat him 755 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 4: every single day. Riley played better with the same types 756 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 4: of opportunities of practice. You get a ton of them. 757 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 4: You had a lot of reps, a lot of film. 758 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 4: These coaches get a chance to see it. Riley was 759 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 4: the better player. That's why he was out there. And 760 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 4: I think we should feel good about that that you 761 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 4: got a guy who rose to the occasion because I've been, 762 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 4: you know, in a position group where you draft a 763 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 4: guy Hi that was I want that job. All of 764 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 4: a sudden, you drafted a guy to come in and 765 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 4: everyone thinks it's his job. Well, now you got to 766 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 4: go earn it. And you know what happens every year 767 00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 4: to every position group, but not every year every position 768 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 4: group gets a first round pick in that group. So 769 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 4: Riley really showed a lot to be able to rise 770 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 4: to the occasion, to put that behind him, to go 771 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 4: out there every day and work and prove that he 772 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 4: was a better. 773 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 2: Player last year. And I think he did that. 774 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 4: And so I think it's less a question about Jade 775 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 4: Baron and whether he's good enough to be on the 776 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 4: field and more of an acknowledgement of how well Riley 777 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 4: Moss rose to the occasion and played week in week 778 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 4: out for this team. And I think it's that cut 779 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 4: and dry, and I like that in a positive spin. 780 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: But I like that framing of it because you brought 781 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: out the best in the players you currently had by 782 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: drafting Jade Baron. 783 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 784 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: Like that's the other side of that point, right, Not 785 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: a negative on joh Day, on a positive of the guys. 786 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 2: That actually went out there and executed and played. 787 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 4: Kicking the pants, that's right, you know, yeah, bringing in 788 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 4: some like some driver from some other from some other stations, 789 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 4: some other market. Then they sat next to you, right, 790 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 4: You're like, hey, you guys, go go tell to tell man. 791 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:03,879 Speaker 2: I mean you've been a driver. 792 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 4: I have, yeah, and I can't hold a candle to 793 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 4: what you do, right, I'm sure moss of drivers of 794 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:19,240 Speaker 4: I'm scrappy and man, well, anyways, I like that framing 795 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 4: and I actually believe that happened. 796 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 2: I think that's exactly what happened. I think that both guys. 797 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: Had a bit of a down year before they were 798 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: both I mean they were playing for injury, but they 799 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,280 Speaker 1: were dead a bit of a down year. The Broncos 800 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,439 Speaker 1: Droves and Jade Baron. It's a clear shot at both 801 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: of them, like, hey, this is this is the future 802 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: right here. I mean we we there's an optics to 803 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:39,839 Speaker 1: a first round pick. 804 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 5: You know it, I know it. 805 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: That guy gets extra opportunities. Most teams don't want to 806 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: look like they missed on a first und like the Grousers. Aside, 807 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,800 Speaker 1: teams also have an internal ego about first round picks, 808 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: the indication of what it means to draft anybody in 809 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: the first round. And sometimes you hang on longer than 810 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,399 Speaker 1: you should to a couple first rounders, Packed and Lynch, 811 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: But otherwise right you. 812 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 2: There's an intention behind it. 813 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: But that's the point is the extra opportunities that he's 814 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: going to get in competition, he's going to get, he's 815 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 1: going to play and if those guys are still performing 816 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 1: at a high level, I feel like this is just 817 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: like rich people problems. That's what it feels like to me, 818 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: Like why lose sleep on that? And I don't think 819 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 1: they are over there. Yeah, I think this is a 820 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: conversation on the outside, but on the inside. One of 821 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: the things that coach Peyton talks about and he's. 822 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,399 Speaker 4: Absolutely right, each year is a new it's a new game, 823 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 4: it's a new journey and this and this twenty twenty 824 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 4: sixth season has started essentially and everyone has to prove it. 825 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 4: And he tells the coaches to trust your eyes out there, 826 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 4: and it's not about who was drafted where, who's making 827 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,720 Speaker 4: more money, It's about who's playing better on a daily basis. 828 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 4: Those are the guys that are going to be on 829 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 4: the field.