1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Our power coming up the beginning at eight h five 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: with Congressman Thomas Massey, and we'll talk a little Epstein 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: files among other topics with Massi. One hour from now, 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: Judge n of Poulaitano and what the founders feared. We'll 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: hear from g Van Fleet, author of Maus America. She 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: fled the Chinese Communist Party and says we got a 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: real problem on our hands brewing here in the United 8 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: States of America, based upon her life experiences. That'll be 9 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: at eight to forty five with an empower you Summinar 10 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: tonight at seven pm log in from home. It's going 11 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: to be a fascinating conversation without further ado, always a 12 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: fascinating conversation, and appreciate what Americans for Prosperity does each 13 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: and every day helping you get involved. Every little bit counts, 14 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: so nobody knows that more than Donovan and Neil. Welcome back, 15 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: my friend. It's always great having you on the program 16 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: this time of week, Brian. 17 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 2: Always a pleasure to be with you midweek. 18 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me and I didn't realize that this 19 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: double taxation thing was actually going on. My impression has 20 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: been has always been and obviously needs to be corrected 21 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: that if I work, like here in the city of Cincinnati, 22 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: charge you in income tax, but if my local municipality 23 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: was also charging a tax, because I would be getting 24 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: taxed in both municipalities, that I would be able to 25 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: write off or reduce my local level taxation based upon 26 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: what I paid in the city. That's kind of normal, 27 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: isn't it, Donovan? Or isn't it Why do we need 28 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:21,559 Speaker 1: House Bill five oh three? 29 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 2: Well, it was normal up until it seems like recent 30 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 2: last couple of years, maybe a couple months, what we're finding, right, Yeah, 31 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 2: you're right, you work in a city. The norm here 32 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: in Ohio has been at the city you work in 33 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: is the place where you pay your income tax, right, 34 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 2: and then the community you live in or if you 35 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 2: also live in a city, they oftentimes will give you 36 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 2: a reciprocal credit, and most of the time those would 37 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 2: even out. 38 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: Right. 39 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: So if it was a two percent income tax and 40 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: the time you worked in and a two percent in 41 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: the time you lived in, you'd only paid two percent 42 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 2: of your income for municipal services. But cities were not 43 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: bound to that, and so what they found the bill 44 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: sponsors Rome or Heidi Workmen have found is that they 45 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: have constituents reaching out saying that their taxes are going up, 46 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 2: and their cities, their councils are voting to increase. Remove 47 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 2: that reciprocity, I should say, And so you're finding a 48 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: situation where Ohioans who work in one town live in 49 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: another are being double taxed. To the point, Brian, because 50 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: we're now a flat tax state at two point seventy 51 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: five percent, people are paying more in local municipal income 52 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: taxes than they are to the state of Ohio for services. 53 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: It's ludicrous, and House both five H three stops that practice. 54 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: Well. 55 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 2: Puts the brakes on it. 56 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: Puts the brakes on it. We'll talk about the details 57 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: in that in just a minute. But did this spring 58 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: from COVID. I know, we had a real problem with 59 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: the City of Cincinnati. They continue to withhold taxes from 60 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: folks who were working at home, working at home not 61 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: within the City of Cincinnati limits, which meant under the 62 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: prior structure, or at least I mean even the then 63 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: existing structure, that the city was not allowed to collect 64 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: those taxes even though it continued to do so while 65 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: people were working at home. Problem for me, I mean 66 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: ethically I thought that was wrong, But I don't know 67 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: whether the city ultimately had to refund the taxes they 68 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: took out, but that was inconsistent with with that law. 69 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:16,119 Speaker 1: Did did municipalities change this taxation structure to the point 70 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: where we need House fill five o three to deal 71 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: with it because of that type of situation with COVID? 72 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: Well, I think what I've understood from reading from bill 73 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: sponsor or opponents of this legislation is that cities are 74 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 2: feeling the pinch. They feel like they need more funds, 75 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: and they are, you know, they're using this tactic as 76 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: a way to raise tack, to collect more tax revenue 77 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: without having to go to the voters and ask for it. 78 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: So I think that's the largest drivers They're saying, where 79 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: can we get more money from our citizens? Well, we're 80 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna remove this reciprocity credit so that we 81 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: can you know, get that get those moneys from them. 82 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: There's never enough, is there, Donovan? There's just never never enough? Well, pause, 83 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: we'll bring back, bring back Donovan talk about the details 84 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: on this and which I think, as my understand the 85 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: House bill, it'll give you a say and whether or 86 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: not you want that to happen. Question, We do vote 87 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: for a higher income tax k SE detalk station Brian 88 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: Thomas with Americans for Prosperities, Donald and Hil segment. We 89 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: do every week. They are really working hard for Ohio. 90 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: And the bottom line is the bottom line on this one. 91 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: HB five oh three. If a city wants a double 92 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: tax you, they got to ask you first. And this 93 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: of course springs from the reality of it. And I 94 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: did not realize and according to your notes, and I 95 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: know AFP is always right on these things. Ohio has 96 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: some of the highest municipal income tax rates in the 97 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: entire country, the sixth most, sixth most local taxing jurisdictions, 98 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: and of course, eliminating reciprocity, meaning your local jurisdiction can 99 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: charge you income tax along with the city where you work. 100 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: That's going to really increase your taxes. And of course 101 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: that's happening to people right now. Now. House Bill five 102 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: oh three provides some relief on this. Now is this 103 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: unusual requiring voter approval for reciprocity, because that's what this 104 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: calls for if they want to, if they want to 105 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: take away reciprocity waivers, and we at least get a 106 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: say over it where we live. 107 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 2: Well, I don't think that's necessarily required right now. I'm 108 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 2: sure a city could if they wanted to write be 109 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: good governance, put that in front of their voters and 110 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 2: give them the choice. But right now they can do 111 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: that unilaterally. This bill would require that they go to 112 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 2: the citizens, as well as give the citizens an ability 113 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 2: to go out circulate a petition and change that reciprocity 114 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 2: rate themselves if their council is unwilling to do so. 115 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: Okay, I understand the petition idea. We've seen that quite 116 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: a bit lately. But I'm wondering whether there would there 117 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: be a legal challenge to this, Like, is this violating 118 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: some sort of home rule right that municipalities have to 119 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: set their own tax rates? Is this going to be 120 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: ultimately challenged in court? I don't know that you necessarily 121 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: know that, but I understand how municipalities might find this 122 00:05:58,520 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: to be a rather touchy subject. 123 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not quite sure exactly what the legal challenges 124 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: might get presented there, But I think at the end 125 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 2: of the day, right we want to be putting right now, 126 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: from property taxes to income taxes, the balance of power 127 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: exists with the bureaucrats with the governments, right, and what 128 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 2: bills like this and many of the bills that'll be 129 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 2: passed later today on property tax reform. What these bills 130 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: do is put the tax payer, the citizen, back in 131 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: the driver's seat of having final stay on their local taxation. 132 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: And I think that's the important part here. You said 133 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: the property x former bills are going to pass today. 134 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 2: That's hopeful fingers crossed, Brian, I hope I don't jinx it. 135 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: But there are four bills that the Senate I've already 136 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: been passed out the House, the Senate committee has and 137 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 2: the ideas they've been vetted, They've been heard opponents, proponents, 138 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: interested parties alike, and the goal I think we'll see 139 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: if it happens this afternoon through one of these marathon session, 140 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 2: they can move these bills to the governor's desk. 141 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: What of House Bill five O three in terms of 142 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: its passage or in terms of your tea leaf predicting 143 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: on whether or not this has the support to pass. 144 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: I would imagine that it would enjoy bipartisan support. But 145 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: then again, we're talking about the state of Ohio and Columbus. 146 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, municipalities have been tricked. I mean any local 147 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: government because we have the sixth most political subdivisions in 148 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: the country, right, cities, townships, villages, schools, counties, special districts, Brian, 149 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: you name them. They get a slice of your pocketbook 150 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 2: and wallet every month. The likelihood of this passing, I 151 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: think is pretty good. We're still early phase. We're going 152 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: in as proponents today for the third hearing supporting this legislation. 153 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: Chairman Bill Romer is really effective at what he does. 154 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 2: He's why he's somebody AFP has long time supported and 155 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: still alongside fights for the taxpayers. We'll see what happens, 156 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: but I think this is an important one. It's got 157 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: to be pretty universally accepted Ry Brian that if Yeah, 158 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: the voters should have the final say on their taxes, 159 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: especially at a local level. 160 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's as a matter of fairness as well. I 161 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: just when you when you start considering where you might 162 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: live and work, I mean, people might factor this into 163 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: the equation. If you're going to get tax where you 164 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: live and tax where you work, you might gravitate away 165 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: from even entering into that possibility. 166 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: Well, you know Southwest Ohio better than me, but you 167 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 2: know you could I looked at the rates, you could 168 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: live in the city of Norwood. That'd be a reasonable 169 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 2: place to live in southwest Ohio, right, Norwood, all right. 170 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 1: And work in the st It is still somewhat affordable. 171 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: I think that's like your next Oakley or you know, which, 172 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 1: which used to be kind of like Norwood in terms 173 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: of perception. Now it's more like Hyde Park, which is 174 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: a very affluent neighborhood. You know, give it time, all 175 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: the neighborhoods, we'll transform into something rather than I've always 176 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: had real positive hope for Norwood as one of those 177 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: neighborhoods who is just going to continue to be more 178 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 1: and more successful and affluent. But I could have it wrong. 179 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: But my point is. 180 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: You could live in Norwood, work in Cincinnati, and you're 181 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: gonna pay right now three point eight percent. Now, they 182 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 2: may the reciprocity credit in those in Norwood may already 183 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: be in place. So I don't want your listeners to 184 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 2: go with pitchforks and torches to city Hall. But if 185 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 2: this bill doesn't pass and the City of Norwood would 186 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: remove any reciprocity credits it may or may not provide 187 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 2: right now, you could realistically pay living in that city. 188 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 2: Working in Cincinnati, three point eight percent of your income 189 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 2: just to local municipalities. 190 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: Both where you live and work. 191 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 2: That's far less than the two point seven percent you're 192 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 2: going to pay to the state, and h just seems 193 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: unreasonable in many ways. 194 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more. Donovan and Neil rarely 195 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: have a disagreement with you. Sir, Hey, real quick, I 196 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: don't want to put you on the spot. The property 197 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: tax reform bills that we're going to see today, let's 198 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: assume they pass real quick. What kind of relief is 199 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: this going to provide us, Donovan, if if you don't 200 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: mind recapping that before we before we part company this morning. 201 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. So, in short, one of the things that's going 202 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: to do is provide more local control by empowering these 203 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 2: county budget commissions to look at unnecessary or excessive and 204 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: they define what unnecessary and excessive is in the bill, 205 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 2: so that if you have a local political subdivision that's 206 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: just pulling too much money in this county budget commission 207 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 2: can be a check and balance on behalf of the 208 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 2: taxpayer to say you don't actually need that new tax revenue, 209 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 2: how about you give it back to your constituents. So 210 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 2: that's a direct relief that folks will receive. The other 211 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: piece that I think is key here is the unvoted 212 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 2: tax increases. They're capping those to inflation. And that's where 213 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 2: you see right where property valuations with what twenty thirty 214 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 2: forty percent and the local subdivisions would be able to 215 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: enjoy all of that increase in revenue without any vote 216 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: by the taxpayer. They're going to cap that to inflation 217 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: so that we don't see these massive spikes like we 218 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 2: saw coming out of the COVID years. 219 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 1: Ever, again, it's. 220 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 2: The most significant property tax reform in the last since 221 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies. And there's another piece where they're going 222 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 2: to believe they will will provide a credit based on 223 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 2: updated valuations, so there's some money that will also go 224 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 2: back into people's pockets. So structurally changing the system as 225 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: well as giving some folks some relief across the state of. 226 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: Awios steps in the right direction. Obviously an effort because 227 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: it's needed, but also in an effort to maybe head 228 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: off eradication of property tax a petition that's circulating. They 229 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: do need to get ahead of that. Do you expect 230 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 1: more property tax reform between now and sometime before next 231 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: year's election. Yeah. 232 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: I mean this stuff they're doing is pretty significant and 233 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 2: it tackles a lot of the things that the governor 234 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: had vetoed. We could have been crazy. Thing is, Brian, 235 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 2: we could have been already had this done back in 236 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 2: the summer. 237 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: But here we are. 238 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 2: It's going to get done today, we hope. Well, yeah, 239 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 2: and I think there's going to need to be more 240 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 2: on this issue. I think we'll get through this sort 241 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: of see where the opportunities lie. But from municipal tax 242 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 2: collection to property taxes. Our problem at the heart of 243 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: this all, Brian, is the amount of government we have 244 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 2: at that local level. It's burdensome, it's holding people back, 245 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 2: and it's robbing our pocketbooks, starving our pocketbooks. 246 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: Understand. We had a conversation about that not too long ago. 247 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: Within the last week or two, Donald and NEI Americans 248 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: for Prosperity Call to Action planned. We need people to 249 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: get in touch with their elected officials to tell them 250 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: to push forward with HB five thirty or five oh 251 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: three rather Yeah. 252 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 2: Yep, HB five oh three. Go to Buckeye Blueprint dot 253 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 2: com sign up if you want to join us take action. 254 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 2: You can join a chapter. Will we bring it folks 255 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,719 Speaker 2: to the Statehouse on issues like this, and we'd love 256 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: to have your listeners take part in it. 257 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: Don Renio, thank you so much for making it easy 258 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: for our listeners to get engaged and involved in keeping 259 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: us up to speed on what's going on legislatively and Columbus. 260 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: I appreciate all that. I appreciate you coming on the 261 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: show every week. I'll look forward to next week with 262 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: another update.