1 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: From WBZ News Radio in Boston. This is New England Weekend. 2 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Each week we come together right here we talk about 3 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: all the topics important to you and the place where 4 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: you live. Great to have you back with us this week. 5 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: I'm Nicole Davis. Greater Boston is full of nonprofits and 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: philanthropists that are dedicated to doing good and uplifting the 7 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: underserved all over the city in the region too. The 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: Boston Women's Fund has just released a brand new report 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: that's the first of its kind, and in this report, 10 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: they go through the financing that's coming from these philanthropists 11 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: for nonprofits, specifically where the money is going. What they 12 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: found is eye opening. They found a tiny fraction of 13 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 1: the billions of dollars in the city's nonprofit revenue goes 14 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: to grassroots organizations that specifically serve women and girls of color. 15 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: They say this lack of resources not only restricts the 16 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: work these nonprofits do in underserved communities, but in many 17 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: cases it's leading to major consequences like severe bird. Let's 18 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: go through this report now with a couple of the 19 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: women who made it happen, including Natanya Craig Aquendo. She 20 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: is the CEO of the Boston Women's Fund and Jessica 21 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: Martin is a research consultant for the Fund who helped 22 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: again put this report together. Thank you both for being 23 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: here and Natania. Before we get into the report, what 24 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: is the overall mission of the Boston Women's Fund? What 25 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: does the work you do? 26 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: Happy too? 27 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 3: We are the longest standing women's fund in Massachusetts, the 28 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 3: first to be established. 29 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: I feel very proud of that. We've been around for 30 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: forty two years. 31 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 3: We're a greater Boston Women's Fund that is an intermediary. 32 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 3: We're dedicated to women and girls in gender expansive people 33 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: who support grassroot leaders and organizations because they are often 34 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: the community's first responders, the people who show up first, 35 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 3: the people who stay the longest, the people who drive 36 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 3: change when systems fall short. 37 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 2: So that's what we do. 38 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: We support grassroot leaders that are doing work right in 39 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 3: their community. 40 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: In forty two years, that is quite a good amount 41 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: of times. You really are deep in the city, know 42 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: what's going on. 43 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and our. 44 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 3: Founding mothers forty two years ago made it clear that 45 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 3: we were going to do philanthropy different So we don't 46 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: do it in the same way that others do it 47 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 3: in terms of like housing or education. Our priorities have 48 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 3: always been people, our elders, our young people, low income 49 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 3: women and girl girls. Right, So we have a different 50 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 3: way of doing things and we feel really. 51 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 4: Proud of that. 52 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: I love that. So how did you get the idea 53 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: to come together then and do this work with Jessica 54 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: and the other researchers. 55 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, so this study really grew out of what twenty 56 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 3: twenty taught us. 57 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: To be honest, we saw that philanthropy. 58 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 3: Could move faster, it could reduce barriers, right, It trusted 59 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 3: leaders on the ground when urgency was really clear. It 60 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 3: also understood the moment, right, And I think that's because 61 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 3: we were all impacted by it. But one of the 62 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 3: things that we start to see change was or what 63 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 3: kind of stayed with us or a question we started 64 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 3: to ask probably around twenty twenty three, if I'm being honest, 65 00:02:55,320 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 3: is around this idea of why has the Urge Agency 66 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 3: changed even with philanthropy went on the ground, It hasn't. 67 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 3: And so we were really trying to interrogate that question 68 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 3: a little bit better understand what the practices were. 69 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 2: Why women of color. 70 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 3: This is this is kind of an inside Joe, but 71 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 3: we would say to each other. We were trending back 72 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two, and we're no longer trending, right. 73 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 3: That's a horrible way to think about it, and I know, 74 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 3: but it's a book that I want to share. Yeah, 75 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 3: And so when we found out we weren't trending, we 76 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 3: were like, let's figure out why what has shifted? Because 77 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 3: there were huge commitments that came out from so many 78 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 3: people that brought hope to so many of our communities 79 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 3: and thinking that we were going to do business in 80 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 3: a different way. And so that was the that was 81 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 3: the premise of the report. I'm wondering if Jesse you 82 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 3: would add anything. 83 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, I would just say that I think where 84 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 4: the research component of this comes in and the data 85 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 4: is that, you know, a lot of these things are 86 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 4: were our things that you know, especially folks like Natania 87 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 4: and the Boston Women's Time have been hearing about since 88 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 4: twenty but even before that. 89 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 5: And at a certain point you do kind of want 90 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 5: to ground. 91 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 4: These anecdotal stories when you're hearing them over and over 92 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 4: and over again from different people, but they're giving. 93 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 5: The same message. 94 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 4: You know, something's there, and for better or worse, people 95 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 4: do respond to data as some sort of empirical piece 96 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 4: of evidence that it's proof that it's happening. And so 97 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 4: I think this was a way to say, all right, 98 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 4: what kind of data can we come up with can 99 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 4: we look at that can help, I don't know, provide context, 100 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 4: give some numbers, give them have to the voices, or 101 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 4: help elucidate sort of what's happening at. 102 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 5: Another layer behind some of these stories. And so I 103 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 5: think that's where the research came in. 104 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 4: But I think very quickly, and it's a key part 105 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 4: of the story of this research is that the hard 106 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 4: data we found out very clearly was not going to 107 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 4: get us tell the story sufficiently about what is really 108 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 4: happening with these leaders, the organizations and communities they serve, 109 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 4: which is why it became really important for it to 110 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 4: become not just a hard data report with the numbers 111 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 4: about funding or about populations or about inequities, but also 112 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 4: to really bring in the first hand voices in a methodical, 113 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 4: rigorous way of these leaders. And our partners are qualitative 114 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 4: research partners. 115 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: Sure, I mean, you can see a whole page full 116 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: of data and it means nothing unless you put context 117 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: to it, right, and you know, we'll talk about the 118 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,679 Speaker 1: stories behind this in a moment. But let's talk about 119 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: the research itself. Jessica, I'm so curious about how you 120 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: got this done. How did you find these people to 121 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: talk to? Tell us a little bit about the research itself. 122 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 4: Sure, so amazingly the finding these people so so back 123 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 4: of that. Actually, we did start with sort of a 124 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 4: numbers okay, focus quantitative. Let's look and see what we 125 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 4: can gather from all this data that we know exists 126 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 4: out there that can tell us, you know, do some 127 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 4: quick analysis, see if these trends hold up, try to 128 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 4: identify what's missing and really what we found. I think 129 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 4: we found a lot of data, but we found out 130 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 4: really quickly that there's a lot missing. And so that's 131 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 4: where as I mentioned, bringing in some of these personal 132 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 4: voices in conversation to share their experiences became incredibly important, 133 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 4: and I will say we found these. 134 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 5: Voices through that data. 135 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 4: We really took a rigorous approach of really thinking about 136 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 4: who is a grassroots leader, what is a grassroots organization, 137 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 4: how do we want to you know, what geography are 138 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 4: we talking about, what areas of focus? 139 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 5: And went through and looked at, you know, publicly. 140 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 4: Available information on registered nonprofits. We looked at known funders 141 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 4: and other partners who focus on grassroots or focus on 142 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 4: women and girls and gender expansive folks. Looked at who 143 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 4: they give their money to. We tapped the BWF, BWF 144 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 4: network of grantees, partners, et cetera, and so really tried 145 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 4: to mine the whole ecosis a nonprofit ecosystem and do 146 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 4: some targeted outreach to those leaders and invite them to 147 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 4: participate in a series of focus groups and interviews to 148 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 4: discuss their experiences as leaders and as community members. 149 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: Frankly, these results shocked me when I read this report. 150 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: You found that only two tenths of a percent of 151 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: all the nonprofit revenue in Boston, and we have a 152 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,239 Speaker 1: lot of nonprofits goes to organizations serving women and girls 153 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: of color and gender expansive youth. Break this down a 154 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: little bit more for us. How is this possible? 155 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 4: The finding that funding to women and girls in general 156 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 4: and gender expansive folks is really a fraction of a 157 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 4: percent of the overall nonprofit revenue and giving is not 158 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 4: something new. There's been a lot of research both locally 159 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 4: and nationally that's shown that, and it's right about in 160 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 4: the year that we looked at the latest year of 161 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 4: data we looked at, there was about, in total in 162 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 4: Greater Boston one hundred and twelve billion dollars in revenue 163 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 4: shared among all of the nonprofits, and about one billion 164 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 4: of that went to women and girls specifically. But then 165 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 4: what we really what we really wanted to do was 166 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 4: dig a little bit deeper and understand how much of 167 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 4: that is going, Understand the story behind that one billion 168 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 4: dollars and where is it. 169 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 5: Going, who's it going to, and how much was going to. 170 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 4: Specifically women and girls and gender expansive folks of color. 171 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 4: And then within that grassroots organizations and organizations led by 172 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 4: women and gender expansive folks of color. And that's where 173 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 4: we found that of that that one billion, that's already 174 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 4: of a fraction a fraction of a percent, just twenty 175 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 4: five million dollars of that revenue was going to organizations 176 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 4: that explicitly serve women and girls and gender expansive people 177 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 4: of color. 178 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 5: And that even within that one billion of. 179 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 4: Going to all women and girls in the region, more 180 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 4: than about sixty five percent of that goes to just 181 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 4: five organizations. And so it's not surprising we have really 182 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 4: strong women's education institutions like Wellesley College. We have upstream 183 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 4: USA Planned Parenthood that are really strong organizations. They have 184 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 4: big revenues, they have big budgets, they do a lot. 185 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 4: But then when you think about the remaining forty five 186 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 4: percent of organizations have to split up the rest of 187 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 4: that the remaining rather excuse me, you know, after those 188 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 4: five have to share just forty five percent of the revenue. 189 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 4: And that's where you start to look at not just 190 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 4: the total revenue, but the average revenue that these these 191 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 4: organizations are working with. There's just a real disparity underneath 192 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 4: there when you start to look underneath the hood, and 193 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 4: that has real implications, I think for the kind of 194 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 4: services that can be provided to meet the needs of 195 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 4: women and girls of color in the Greater Boston region. 196 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 4: We know that there are there are disparities at the 197 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 4: population levels of play out, and we want to make 198 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 4: sure that we have the right kinds of organizations in 199 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 4: the community to meet their needs and that they are 200 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 4: well funded, well resourced, and well networked to continue to 201 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 4: address these solutions. And I think unfortunately, what we found 202 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 4: in a lot of this data is that these things 203 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 4: don't add up. The numbers don't add up to Yeah, 204 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 4: we're just very under resource to address the needs of 205 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 4: the people that we want to serve. 206 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: It shows that while here in Boston we clearly have 207 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: a deep history of redlining of racism. This is just 208 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: what we know about our city's history, and we have 209 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: made strides over the years and there has been progress, 210 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: But when it comes to fighting inequities like racism, clearly 211 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: in the nonprofit space, even not inherent, there is still 212 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: a stark divide here when it comes to philanthropists and 213 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: their priorities here. How do we turn this around? Like, 214 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: what do you suggest here in this report needs to 215 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: be done? 216 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love this question, and thank you so much 217 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 3: for asking it. We really you know, we know that 218 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 3: we're asking something big, Right. We're saying that we want 219 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 3: to redesign the system so that it is actually serving 220 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 3: these who are most marginalized. Right, And we understand that's daunting, 221 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 3: But for us, it starts with just a few steps. 222 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 2: Right. 223 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 3: The first one is that we don't actually believe there's 224 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 3: a divide in philanthropy. What I what I hope we're 225 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 3: bringing to this conversation is insight, Right, is that part 226 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 3: of what just didn't mention that I. 227 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 2: Do want to mention. 228 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 3: Is that why it took us so long to do 229 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 3: this report we thought we could do it in a year. 230 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 3: Is because when we were pulling information for smaller organizations, 231 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 3: it's incredibly hard. 232 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 2: They're not in any other reports, So we had. 233 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 3: To combe nine nineties to identify what those organizations are. 234 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 3: That means that what wasn't being countical wasn't being valued. 235 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 3: So I just wanted that's a full stop for us, right, 236 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 3: So for us even being able to say, here is 237 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 3: what the grassroot ecosystem looks like among gender expansive folks 238 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 3: and women and girls serving organizations, that felt really important. 239 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 3: I think, so getting that information out to philanthropy feel 240 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 3: is important. The other is start asking critical questions. Right, 241 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 3: let's just start asking the credit. Look at your own 242 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 3: look at your own portfolios. Start there. Maybe you have 243 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 3: the assumption that you are giving to women and girls 244 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 3: and gender expands at people of color. Maybe you're giving 245 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 3: to larger organizations and assuming that is getting trickled down. 246 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 2: All we're asking as a first step is to do 247 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 2: the inventory. 248 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 3: After you do that inventory, ask yourselves the questions are 249 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 3: our resources. 250 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 2: And I say this to individual donors as well as the. 251 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 3: Institutions, our resources going to where we want them to go. 252 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 3: You know, I think that that is an incredible first step. 253 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 3: The second step I would say is we have to 254 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 3: look at our practices. We are living in unprecedent times, 255 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 3: and in twenty twenty we moved fast as a sector. 256 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 3: We were able to like collectively come together and collaborate 257 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 3: really well. We have to bring a lot of that 258 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 3: back in a much quicker way than I think we 259 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 3: are because we have communities right now who are suffering 260 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 3: and who are in great need of our resources because 261 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 3: they have the vision to get communities through sure. 262 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: And you know, you were also in the report talking 263 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: this is something I really wanted to touch on with 264 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: you about how biplop grassroots leaders essentially are dealing with 265 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: a massive burnout. And somebody might look at this and say, well, look, 266 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: we're all burned out, like the world is just heavy 267 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 1: right now, But you know, you are talking about a 268 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: different kind of burnout. So what is contributing to this 269 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: specifically for women and girls of color and gender expansive youth. 270 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, so for us at the Boston Woman's Fun we 271 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 3: think that burnout is actually a structural outcome. What's contributing 272 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 3: to burnout is a responsibility without the resources. 273 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 2: That's just real. 274 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 3: Is that when you're a smaller organization, you're often getting 275 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 3: five ten thousand dollars grants and that is what is 276 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 3: sustaining you. Unfortunately, those are not sustainable dollars. 277 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 2: In this time. 278 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 3: The leaders are carrying community expectations, they're responding to crisis 279 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 3: response right, organizational leadership, many of them have volunteer led organizations. 280 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 2: And I just can't say it again, is that burnout 281 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 2: is not. 282 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 3: About an individual failure. It really is about our structural 283 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 3: systems and how we're getting resources to people. So there's 284 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 3: a triple bird in that many of us are holding right, 285 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 3: and that is of our own lived experience, right, being 286 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 3: a woman of color or gender expansive person of color. 287 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 2: In this work this we're getting locked out of our. 288 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 3: Own resources, right, And the practices are not aligning with 289 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 3: how much we are giving out to our communities. And 290 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 3: so for us, we're just trying to write size that 291 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 3: we're trying to at least start the conversation both leaders, 292 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 3: by the way, the leaders who are on the ground 293 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 3: and philanthropic leaders about how we can be better partners. 294 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk really quickly about another research point that 295 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: also really stood out to me and Jessica. We'll start 296 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: with you on this, and then i'd like to get 297 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: your thought on this, Natanya, about how black women are 298 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: leaving Boston. They're packing up, they're leaving Boston. Tell me 299 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: what you found in your research about how frequently black 300 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: women are leaving and why they're leaving. 301 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 5: Yeah. 302 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 4: So in the report, one of the things we found 303 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 4: when looking at just demographic change in general and greater 304 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 4: Boston and how women and girls are changing and is 305 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 4: we did find that this really stark decline in the population, 306 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 4: particularly of young adult sort of college to early career 307 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 4: black women from both the city and the region. And 308 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 4: you know, unfortunately I can't really stay for sure why. 309 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 4: The numbers kind of just tell me who's coming, who's going. 310 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 4: That's not so much about why, how or where they're going. 311 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 4: But I will say, you know, the loss is most 312 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 4: stark within the city of Boston, less so in the region. 313 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 4: So it might mean that some women are just choosing 314 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 4: to move from Boston to Cambridge or Malden or Framingham. 315 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 4: But at the same time, the rest of the region 316 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 4: is still seeing this population loss in a way that 317 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 4: we're not seeing for other groups of women, particularly young women. 318 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 4: And so I think this does just from other reviews 319 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 4: of other research that's been done, including like the Greater 320 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 4: Boston Chamber of Commerce. They recently did a study of 321 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 4: millennial Greater Bostonians and found that young adult black women 322 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 4: were among the most likely to report having plans or 323 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 4: wanting to have plans to move out of Boston in 324 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 4: the near future. And a lot of that did come 325 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 4: down to just general feelings around cultural connectivity and racism. 326 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: Okay, no, and that's fair, Natania. I'd love to get 327 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: your thoughts on this, because, of course, affordability, because let's 328 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: be real, living in Boston right now, it is hard 329 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: for everybody to get by, and I'm sure if you're 330 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: a young person that contributes to it. But I'd love 331 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts on that. That one specific point 332 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: in the report. 333 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 3: I think that Nicole, you just said it, I don't 334 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 3: the story of Boston and how we are surviving the 335 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 3: city right and how expensive it has become is actually 336 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 3: it's not BWF story. It's all of our stories, right, 337 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 3: And so I think that the drivers are pretty consistent 338 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 3: and they have been right. It's housing costs, it's supportability, 339 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 3: it's about job opportunities, it is about culture. 340 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 2: I think Boston is such an interesting place. 341 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 3: I think when you are born and raised from Boston, 342 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 3: a girl like me, then you know exactly where to 343 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 3: go when you want to find your community when you are. 344 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 2: An outside person. That is incredibly hard to do. 345 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 3: And we have so many incredible leaders, including Boston while black, 346 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 3: who is doing incredible work to make sure people feel seen. 347 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 3: But belonging is the thing you want to feel in 348 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 3: your city, and so where I'm not as worried about 349 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 3: where are the three hundred thousand black women and girls going? 350 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 3: What I am worried about is are they coming back? 351 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 3: You know, like can we convince them to come back? 352 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 3: Because what we are going to have as a leadership pipeline, 353 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 3: and we depend on our bipop women and gender expansive 354 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 3: leaders heavily, and so I think there's a larger question 355 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 3: for us to ask, which is what does that pipeline 356 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 3: need to look like? And how do we begin to 357 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 3: talk to people about Boston being theirs. 358 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 1: What do you think this means when it comes to 359 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: your viewpoint, Natanya, the city's nonprofit space. Clearly, you of 360 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 1: all people, are dialed into this, like you know what's 361 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: going on. But when you finish the report with Jessica 362 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: and everybody else, and you were sitting there going over 363 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: the numbers, did this change how you felt about the 364 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: city and its nonprofits or no? 365 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 3: I think if fired something up in me, I'll be 366 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 3: honest about that. 367 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 5: Right. 368 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 3: I have sat with this number since twenty twenty. It 369 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 3: has been sitting with me even before twenty twenty, when 370 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 3: I understood where the dollars were going. 371 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 2: I've also noticed that the number. 372 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 3: Is not what gets people motivated, right, Like we've heard 373 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 3: this number before. 374 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 2: I think what's sitting. 375 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 3: With me is that philanthropy without advocacy is not something 376 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 3: we can we can do any longer at the Boston 377 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 3: Women's Fund. So we have to advocate for better practices, 378 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 3: for better collaboration, for general operating support, for larger grands. Right, 379 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 3: these are the things for proximity to our leaders thinking 380 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 3: about things like site business. What if we got rid 381 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 3: of site business and we just showed up on a 382 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 3: day they needed us to volunteer. That is what partnership 383 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 3: looks like. We're not asking for everything to shift immediately. 384 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 3: We're asking for people to make small shifts so that 385 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 3: we can so that everyone here in Boston feels like 386 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 3: they belong and that they're protected, because I think that's 387 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 3: what philanthropy wants to do. But I think we have 388 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 3: some work to do to get there. 389 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: So the report is out, and if people want to 390 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: go through all this incredible work that you and the 391 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: team have done, Jessica, how can they find it? What 392 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: should people keep in mind when they're reading this report 393 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: as well? 394 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 4: So well they can find this report at the Boston 395 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 4: Women's Fund website. 396 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 5: There you'll find this report. 397 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 4: We'll be also releasing a whole compendium of data that 398 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 4: under didn't make the cut perhaps in the first report, 399 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 4: if folks really want to dig into what's happening in 400 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 4: the population, in the community of organizations, et cetera. But 401 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 4: I really, you know, to kind of piggyback on what 402 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 4: Natanya was saying too, I think I really hope that 403 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 4: that people uses it as an opportunity to start to 404 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 4: think differently about what the nonprofit sector does look like 405 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:00,160 Speaker 4: can look. 406 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 5: Like, and. 407 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 4: Really think differently about who's missing in when they think 408 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 4: about their work when they engage with the community. Because 409 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 4: a lot of this report and our findings about how 410 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 4: lack of resources lead to burnout leads to this sort 411 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 4: of vicious cycle. It really does start with the fact 412 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 4: that we're just not counting and not capturing some of 413 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 4: our most vulnerable and most essential people and leaders and organizations, you. 414 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 5: Know, time and time again. 415 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 4: Even still I can say for certain we did not 416 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 4: capture every single grassroots organization in Greater Boston in this 417 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 4: research because the data just might not be there. Similarly, 418 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 4: some of our most vulnerable populations are not captured in 419 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 4: some of our standard data, and that's kind of a 420 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 4: double edged sword. 421 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 5: And I think really. 422 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 4: Coming back to thinking about what gets measured gets valued, 423 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 4: what gets valued gets resourced, and what gets resourced actually 424 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 4: has the capacity to make that change we all want to. 425 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 4: So I think, you know, it's not about you know, 426 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 4: it's not doesn't have to be a zero sum or 427 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 4: a binary you do this or that. 428 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 5: Sure, it's really. 429 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 4: I think think different thinking differently about how you you know, 430 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 4: making sure you think about grassroots when you think about, 431 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 4: you know, how we source best source the community, how 432 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 4: we best resource the community. And then also I think 433 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 4: these numbers have the capacity to change. You know, I look, 434 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 4: there is one chart in the report that looks at 435 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 4: just the average philanthropic grant revenue to grassroots organizations led 436 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 4: by women and gender expansive folks of color, and you 437 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 4: see pretty clearly that the average amount went up in 438 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 4: the years twenty twenty twenty twenty one when people were 439 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 4: highly focused on this segment of the nonprofit sector, and 440 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 4: since then, in the final year that we were looking 441 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 4: and it was at the lowest level, the average revenue 442 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 4: had declined by twenty five percent. So clearly, this is 443 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 4: when you talk about trending and Natania talking about, you know, 444 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 4: feeling like we were trending in certain years and we've 445 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 4: stopped trending. You can see that really clearly in the data, 446 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 4: and you know, I hope that that elevates these organ 447 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 4: gives visibility to you know, a sector of the a 448 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 4: part of the nonprofit sector that really should be constantly trending. 449 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, this is structural. Yeah, this is structural work 450 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: that is not TikTok trending stuff. People are not TikTok trending. 451 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: And you know, you're you're so right in that this 452 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: is work that needs to continue, and I'm really glad 453 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: that you all are putting the effort in here to 454 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: show us that this needs to be done. So let's 455 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: talk about then, if you are a small nonprofit that 456 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 1: needs some assistance, you want to get out there and 457 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,959 Speaker 1: you want to get the resources of the Boston Women's 458 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: Fund or at least get involved, or you're a grassroots organization, Natanya, 459 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: how can they find you, how can they get in 460 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: help with it? 461 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 2: Behind us? Yes, we love to be in conversation. 462 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 3: So our resource allocation, I'm gonna be very honest, it 463 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 3: starts with communities. So that is a process that you 464 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 3: can be a part of. We don't our dollars don't 465 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 3: go out the door without our advisors who are community 466 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 3: folks helping us decide. So that's one way. Go to 467 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 3: our website www. Boston Women's Fund dot org Women's with 468 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 3: an S, and then you will be able to sign 469 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 3: up for our newsletter for specifically for those that we 470 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 3: are like, those that share their stories, the grassroot leaders 471 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 3: who are like what do I do with this this report? 472 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 3: How do I use it to advocate for myself? Please 473 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 3: sign up for us for our newsletter because We'll continue 474 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 3: to do seminars and workshops to help people think about 475 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 3: how they bring this work forward in a meaningful dialogue 476 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 3: between philanthropic leaders and grassroot leaders. 477 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 2: So please be in touch. 478 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 3: And also for funders, let me just say this, we 479 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 3: are also here thinking about our own practices. 480 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 2: We don't think that we have all the answers. 481 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 3: We're asking you to come to the so that we 482 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 3: can fill and think about these issues together. 483 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 2: So that's what I would say. 484 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: All right, Boston Women's Fund dot org. And again you 485 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: can find the report there that Jessica and the whole 486 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: team worked so hard on and did all that digging 487 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: on and all the info you need to know for 488 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: anybody who wants to get in touch with you, Natania, 489 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: the work you're doing, Bostonwomen's Fund dot org. You're on 490 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: social media. 491 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 3: Right, we are on social media, so you should be 492 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 3: able to find us. And I just want to shout 493 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 3: out one other partner, which is the Center for Women 494 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 3: in Politics and Public Policy. They did all of the 495 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,479 Speaker 3: focus groups and health space really beautiful for leaders who 496 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 3: are going through a lot, So I just wanted to 497 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 3: make sure we mention them as well. 498 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great, Okay, well, Natania Jessica, thank you for 499 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: the time, Thank you, thank you. Now, this report is 500 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: really intensive. There's a lot to go through here, a 501 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: lot of data, a lot of numbers. 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