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Speaker 1: Hey, Mac, see you next year.

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Speaker 2: Oh here he is here, he is. I mean, at

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Speaker 2: least it's fair that you are a dad, so you

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Speaker 2: but I get it. I understand it.

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Speaker 1: Goo Year, Goo me Goo wanty twenty six. Now take

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Speaker 1: that back twenty twenty. I can't. I'll gooz in there somewhere. Sure,

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Speaker 1: but uh, let me tell you this. We are in

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Speaker 1: the Goo year and we have so much fun ahead

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Speaker 1: of us. This episode a little bit later than what

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Speaker 1: you might be expecting, but once it's out, there's no

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Speaker 1: time stamping. Don't worry about that.

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Speaker 2: Mac.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you about my Goo Year's day. Okay,

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Speaker 1: do tell I sneezed then I couldn't move for five minutes.

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Speaker 2: There you go. You need a you need appointment with

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Speaker 1: My body clenched up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's what happens at old age here. Goo.

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Speaker 2: You know, sometimes you do a little bend over, a

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna sit down now for a couple hours.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know me, I'm Italian. I sneeze hard.

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Speaker 2: Chuo.

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Speaker 1: I you know I was sitting on the couch after

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Speaker 2: Do I call nine one one?

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Speaker 1: I took my legs and I pulled myself off the

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Speaker 2: There you go, there you go. Uh. I have a

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Speaker 2: And it really gets into that, you know, right next

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Speaker 2: It's really good, really really good.

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Speaker 1: I thought for a minute, there monsters were on this earth.

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Speaker 1: Also on New Year's Day, and usually I don't pay

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Speaker 1: any attention to fortune cookies, but you know, celebrate in

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Speaker 1: the New Year. You get the cow loon and I

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Speaker 1: on New Year's Day. I'm not lying. Don't think I'm

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Speaker 1: you have my attention New Year's Day. This year, face

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Speaker 1: your fears and you will achieve your goals.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So what are your fears?

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Speaker 1: So my fear is not having some kind of a

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Speaker 1: financial stability for my family. Sure, and my goal is

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Speaker 2: I think If that's your fear, fine, Otherwise, spend the

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Speaker 1: One Go three, Yeah, job three, King of Queen and

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Speaker 1: Mill Street entertain I'm Go and I'm Mac. And this

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Speaker 1: is the Mac and Goo program for one final time.

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Speaker 1: This might be it. We're talking stranger things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this has been a program nine and a half

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Speaker 1: We each have forty episodes.

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Speaker 2: This has been a long time coming, not only from

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Speaker 1: I will say this is we mocked them for how

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Speaker 2: And moreover? Goo, we got three volumes? Right? We really

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Speaker 1: It's weird. And we talk about this with other movies

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Speaker 2: And to now triple down on this so release schedule

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Speaker 1: I feel like you should have delayed all of your

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Speaker 1: I think they played everything safely where it's not polarizing

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Speaker 2: Been like this?

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Speaker 1: Sure, but it isn't like Roseanne where you find out

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Speaker 2: No, And and there are some people I think not

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Speaker 1: The pacing in this it's weird where it does kind

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Speaker 2: That's the imperfect part of this whole season is we

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Speaker 2: Part of that go is because the other four seasons,

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Speaker 1: and that also wasn't like the greatest thing in the world,

439
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: but satisfactor, Why is closure? Kind of?

440
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 2: Some of the closure was satisfying for me. Yes, I

441
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 2: was very unsatisfied with our big final battle.

442
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: I want to give credit to Parks and Recreation where

443
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: they also did this, but they also went through the

444
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: remaining life of each character until they're pretty much dead.

445
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: Credit to them. Borometer season, Yes, finale ticks, but not

446
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 1: as much because I think we at least knew what

447
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: we had to do.

448
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's That's a good way to put it.

449
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 2: There was a lot of boor in this season, but

450
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 2: I was still entertained and gripped by the finale. That's

451
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 2: that's a good point.

452
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: A quarter World. Was this season slash finale of television

453
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 1: better than the nineteen ninety five classic water World finale? Yes,

454
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 1: season I don't know.

455
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, uh, yes, it was it.

456
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 1: Was both Max credit Union.

457
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 2: This is a hard one. Robin looks like she's one

458
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: hundred years old. The rest of the characters don't get

459
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 2: nearly enough screen time. I do think that Mike is

460
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 2: probably the best actor out of all the kids in

461
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 2: the show, and I did feel a little bit of

462
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 2: his emotions in the finale. He's tasked with doing the

463
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 2: most and I felt like he delivered. So I'll give

464
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: credit to Finnwolfart as Mike, and I haven't loved Finnwolfart

465
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 2: in the past, but I thought he was great.

466
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: I think we're just disappointed by him from having such

467
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: a cool name and this is what you give us.

468
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 2: But like he's he's moved to an extreme emotional at

469
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 2: one point in the finale, and then in the epilogue

470
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 2: he's like subdued and still emotional. I thought his performance

471
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: was great.

472
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: When life says heels something little extra, we he just

473
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: squeeze a little bit in here. How do we make

474
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: this delicious treat? Jesse Plemon says, you make plemonade, You

475
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: make a nice, tasty treat. Who in this stepped in

476
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: there for the short amount of time that they had

477
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: and made this season worthwhile? And I questioned my choice

478
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: because he's kind of the star of one episode and

479
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 1: then he's used a bit more so, he's like thirtieth

480
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 1: on the billing that allows me to use him correct.

481
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, the only answer Derek Jake Conley is Derek yes though, Yeah,

482
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: absolute delight.

483
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 1: Absolutely suck a fat one. You would think that that

484
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 1: catchphrase would get old no better every time, especially when

485
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: he then puts a middle finger in there. He also

486
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: does something in the finale that I could not stop

487
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: laughing at. Death is almost all but certain to stay alive,

488
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: keep running, Yeah, leave me behind, I'm all set.

489
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 2: I liked that because it's realistic. Was I realistic? Like

490
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 2: not everyone could keep up at a certain fast skin alive?

491
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 2: They should have had Derek leading the group so they

492
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 2: could all go at the same pace.

493
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: You know, that's what you need. You need a pacer

494
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 1: when you have a run group. You have people that

495
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: run certain mileage, that go at a certain pace. They

496
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: needed someone there that was a specialist in like a

497
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: fifteen minute mile. You think Derek's what fifteen minutes, maybe twenty.

498
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,719
Speaker 2: I don't think he's ever run a mile. We wouldn't.

499
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 2: We don't know the score.

500
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: What do you think your mile is? Right now?

501
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 2: I know what it is? Probably like eight and a half.

502
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: Eight and a half mile right now. Yeah, everyone in

503
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: the comments section below, challenge Mac to a race.

504
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 2: That's what I do with the treadmill. I run for

505
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 2: thirty minutes of the treadmill.

506
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: Treadmill's not the same thing.

507
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 2: That's where I'm doing my mile.

508
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: If you saw Michael Vick outside of a strip club

509
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: right now, would you challenge him to a race?

510
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: If I had to do more than one mile, I'm

511
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 2: running at like a ten minute mile, probably and a

512
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 2: half ten.

513
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 1: But the truth has come out.

514
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 2: But I'm not running multiple miles.

515
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 1: Okay, let me sit a mile. So you're saying at

516
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: one mile you are eight and a half minutes. Yeah,

517
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: at three miles you're what eleven minutes?

518
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 2: Probably ten ten, ten, ten, Yeah, it's six miles. I'll

519
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: never do it.

520
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: That's what I ever did. It's the cutoff right there.

521
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: That's it.

522
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 2: I don't think I'll ever run more than three in

523
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: one city.

524
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: Leave your predictions down below, and actually, now.

525
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: That you've been you've challenged me, I would make it

526
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 2: a point of getting under eight. I'd probably get like

527
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,479
Speaker 2: seven to fifty two if I actually had to be clocked.

528
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask this right now, you and I are

529
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: lined up one mile. Who wins the race?

530
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 2: Probably you, I guess right know that.

531
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: I'm the dominant of the two.

532
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: What's your what's what's your mile at?

533
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: I haven't ran a mile in a long time. I

534
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: know when I used to. So my wife use to

535
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: do a run club. I would do it to impress her.

536
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: It was early on in the relationships. Sure, and I

537
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: was really good at the three So they would do

538
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: six miles or three miles. I was really good at

539
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 1: doing the three miles, and I would just fucking sprint

540
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: through it, and then I'd realize how tired I was

541
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: at the end. Sure, as long as you aren't thinking

542
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 1: about it, you're all set.

543
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever run more than three miles consecutively,

544
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 2: and I never will.

545
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: The last time I did a five k, my foot

546
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: really really hurt. Also, last time I steezed really hard

547
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: and almost died.

548
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: I have trouble when I'm running outside. Speaking of this

549
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: pacing conversation, I can't pace myself inside.

550
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: I'm so bad at pacing myself.

551
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: The treadmill paces you.

552
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so bad at pacing myself. And whenever I

553
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: see my wife who has run four fucking marathons, say

554
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: to myself, I can't do this. There's no way in

555
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: hell I could ever do this, because I don't know

556
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: how to pace myself be able with anything anything in life.

557
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: It could be running, it could be alcohol, it.

558
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: Could be if I ran a marathon on I would

559
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:06,239
Speaker 2: run one mile, walk twenty five point one of it,

560
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 2: and then sprint the final tenth of the month, the

561
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: last mile.

562
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: I don't even know if you could do that. What

563
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: are we doing? Uh? Right, pants tent city? What was

564
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: your pants dent? What was your most exciting moment from

565
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: the season? And then also the finale.

566
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: In the season, clearly it was the final ten minutes

567
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 2: of episode four were vector.

568
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: I think the Will stuff was better than the final battle. Well,

569
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: I'll explain myself with the final battle in a second.

570
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree. So you get Vecna coming through

571
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 2: killing the shit out of government people but not anyone

572
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: we care about, and then you have Will's massive moment

573
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: that was super cool. That was a legit pants tent,

574
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 2: and then we never got back to that high in

575
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: the finale. There's some cool stuff, but it never it

576
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: never got as cool as it did in episode four.

577
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: For those of you tarty to the Mac and Goop party.

578
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: We rate everything, although let me get back to that

579
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: when we get to spoilers.

580
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: On a forty hot dog rating system.

581
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: MAC.

582
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: For the season, I thought it was really up and down,

583
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: and I don't think I really got fully invested into

584
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: volume one or Volume two. I thought it lacked a

585
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: fun factor that this show has maintained throughout its entire

586
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: four seasons prior to this. It was not there this time.

587
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: There was one goal that it felt like they were

588
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: just kicking the can down the road until the finale,

589
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: to the point of I didn't. It's almost like you

590
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: could have made two really long episodes this year. You

591
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: could have taken those first seven episodes, made it a

592
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: two hour movie, and then taken this final episode two

593
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: hour movie. That might have been all we needed.

594
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it oddly, and we are movie guys. We do

595
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: favorite movies over television. This season certainly would have worked

596
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: better as one big movie or two movies.

597
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: It almost felt like they went into this year being like, Okay,

598
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: we have to get to this, this, this, this, and this.

599
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: Because it had so many moving pap and going.

600
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: Through that checklist I thought was boring and some of

601
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: it felt really really forced, and the stuff that was

602
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: supposed to be intimate did not feel intimate because there's

603
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: a thousand people around, and I don't think any of

604
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,479
Speaker 1: the characters got the spotlight that they deserved or that

605
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: big moment that they deserved, And then sometimes when they did,

606
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: it made you question has the writing always been like this?

607
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: Has the acting always been like this? And I've just

608
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: never noticed it. For the finale, I think a clean thirty,

609
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: like a C. I don't think it did anything amazing.

610
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: I don't think it fumbled at the end. I think

611
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: it did enough to not make people say they games

612
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: dethroned it.

613
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: The game Game of Thrones didn't.

614
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: No, I like what I said, better have throned it,

615
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: games dethroned it. I say thirty on the finale. On

616
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: the season though twenty six, I think this is on

617
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: the whole its worst season. Maybe because of the final

618
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: forty five minutes, you still might want to watch that

619
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: over what season three had. But there are some really

620
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: high highs that this show has given us that I

621
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: don't want people to forget because of how sour they

622
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: are about this final season. Like, I really do want

623
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: to point out that season one I think is a

624
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: forty hot Dog show. Season two thirty eight, season four thirty.

625
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot of really good stuff

626
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: from this show that while the ending wasn't the best,

627
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: it wasn't the worst.

628
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: All Right, It's hard to disagree with everything you said.

629
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: I think that it certainly became a them of its

630
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 2: own success, be it with its actors and stars and

631
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: the bar they set for the show, which to your point,

632
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 2: I think they probably do have like three thirty seven

633
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: to thirty eight Dog seasons.

634
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: Not only the bar that they set with the quality

635
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: and the storytelling of what the first seasons were, but

636
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: also the delays in how long it took to make

637
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: the seasons and also how much money it took to

638
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: make the season.

639
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think Volume one, probably because it finished spectacularly,

640
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: got to like thirty four dogs for me, Volume two

641
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: was probably just passing twenty four maybe like in that

642
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: load of mid twenties range. The finale, the fight itself

643
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: was probably a C like thirty. But I think the

644
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 2: prologue or epilogue whenever the one comes out, I think

645
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 2: epilogue it's not a fly leaf. The final forty five

646
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: minutes in sitting with those characters a little bit more.

647
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: It brought it up, and I like the finale in

648
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: maybe more like the thirty two rate.

649
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: I'm not sitting with certain characters though. Sure some of

650
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: the characters that we sit with and we find out

651
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: more about their lives. Let's move this along still, because

652
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: I understand that we're trying to give.

653
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 2: Everyone their due now, Yeah.

654
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: But I still I care more about these other characters.

655
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: Let's move because I'm a sucker for finales and finishes

656
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: and that high I get off of watching a story,

657
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: and it's bumping it up, it's pulling. My feelings for

658
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 2: volume two are getting lessened because I like the way

659
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: it finished. So I think I have this at like

660
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 2: thirty dogs, maybe a little season thirty, the whole season

661
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: right around thirty I could argue up to maybe thirty two.

662
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: The more I think about it and sit on it,

663
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 2: I think it probably is the worst season because of

664
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 2: the inconsistency. Like season season three we didn't care for,

665
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 2: but that was after two nearly forty dog seasons, and

666
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 2: like that has a sour taste in my mouth. This doesn't.

667
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: But technically that was probably better because this season's all over.

668
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: I'm sure if I went back and watched season three now,

669
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: I would like it more than this season.

670
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: Right right, So you know, with all that said, I

671
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 2: think this could have been worse. This finale, the season

672
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 2: could have been much worse.

673
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: Max blurb for the DVD cover could have been worse.

674
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: And we've seen dozens of shows get to the finale

675
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 2: in the final season and absolutely crash land the plane

676
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 2: butcher it and so I don't think they did.

677
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: Are blurbs for the DVD cover. Max is could have

678
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: been worse. And then mine is didn't ruin the whole

679
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: show like Roseanne.

680
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 2: All right, sparlet it spil.

681
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: One second before we get the spoilers. So just in

682
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: my own personal life, while we eat dinner now as

683
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: a family, my son demands that we tell jokes the

684
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 1: entire time. So I'll either pull up like a joke

685
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: book or I'll do that just to keep you know,

686
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: constant jokes. I'm not thinking of more, but I did

687
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: think of one that I thought was really funny and

688
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: got crickets in the rum.

689
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 2: Okay, let's hear it.

690
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: Okay, I said, what did the cow say to the utters?

691
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what meating cookies?

692
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: Mind?

693
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: If I get a squeeze.

694
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 2: Is the cow speaking to its own utters?

695
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: Don't ask questions. I'm not here, I'm not the Duffer

696
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: brothers trying to fill in the blanks of what my

697
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: story or joke didn't.

698
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: Is that top tier torture being a cow that loves

699
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: milk but you don't have thumbs to milk your own utters?

700
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: Well, I would say as a you know, we all

701
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: like milk.

702
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 2: Spoilless Spoilerssler spoilers, yes, go yeah. Pat Stent moment in

703
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 2: the finale that after you know the episode's actually over

704
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 2: and Mike reveals his theory on what happens with Eleven,

705
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 2: then it got the cogs turning a bit my mind.

706
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: And then I was like, you know what.

707
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: It is a little bit more l wheel or moving,

708
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: and I like the idea.

709
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: Of Eleven possibly escaping because of Calli's power. Do I

710
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: think it happened? No, because I'm pretty sure we saw

711
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: Cally die. I'm not sure. I like the idea of that.

712
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: Now I've had this thought in my head and I

713
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: don't want to go back and look because I don't

714
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: care enough to do so. I thought when Happer walked

715
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: in on the dead Calli Collie Collie, Kelly Collie. I

716
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 1: thought that her blood looked too dry, and I thought

717
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: that it was an illusion and she was trying to

718
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: trick him at the time. Okay, once again, I don't

719
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: care enough about the situation to waste my time and

720
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: go back and look.

721
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: Sure. Sure, so, of course the gang defeats Vecna and

722
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 2: the mind flare. We find out. The biggest reveal here

723
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: is that Henry has chosen to be either because the.

724
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: Debate over the years has been who's controlling who.

725
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 2: And it's a symbiotic relationship. They're they're equal part.

726
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: What are he parasitic? No, because they're both benefiting. Sorry.

727
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that massive battle in the Abyss takes place

728
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: pretty underwhelming. The way Vecna goes out just with a

729
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: couple force.

730
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: It's forcing each other back and forth. It wasn't enough action.

731
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: And then when asked why there weren't dema Gorgons, dema dogs,

732
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: demo bats over there, the Duffer brothers said it was

733
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: it was a sneak attack. Vecna didn't know this was coming.

734
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: Vecna is an all knowing being. Right.

735
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a terrible excuse, I will say. I think

736
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: it's pretty easily explained that, like he has the Dema

737
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 2: Gorgans out and about, and well.

738
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 1: Back then said that they felt like the audience might

739
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: be demoed out by all these creatures that they just

740
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: kind of want to move past them.

741
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: I understand that it would have been a cool, like

742
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: maybe twenty second montage of them smashing a bunch of

743
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 2: demo Gorgans or Eleven having really sweet demo gorgon kills

744
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: before they get to Vecna.

745
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: So even if they just had it where there were

746
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: four dema Gorgans, dema dogs them of bats whatever around Vecna,

747
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: and Eleven walks in and just goes like this and

748
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: kills them all instantly. Cool.

749
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, agree.

750
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: I also I appreciate this because I did not want

751
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: to see them do this. When Eleven said, oh, I

752
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: can get up there really easy by jumping over these,

753
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: and they didn't show it, I thought that was their

754
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 1: best choice.

755
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: I agree with you, because it was no way it

756
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: was gonna lik.

757
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: There was no way it was going to look good.

758
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: I think that was their best choice.

759
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree with you there. I'm a little

760
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: disappointed that we've gotten five seasons and like fifty hours

761
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: of content, and eleven still just has the same power

762
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: she has.

763
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: She done improved and also with all the talk of

764
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: Dungeons and Dragons, D and D of the strategy that

765
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: goes into that game and using your weapons, using your powers.

766
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: By the way, our D and D video will be

767
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: out soon. Actually it's been cut down to two hours.

768
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: I still want to slice further. But I thought that

769
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: the end battle was too much of force pushing and

770
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: then all the kids just spamming attack. There wasn't any

771
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: kind of a strategy to what they were doing. It

772
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: was just shooting flares, stabbing sacks.

773
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and before we get to this final battle, you know,

774
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: they enact Operation Beanstock. I liked that, like the imagery

775
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: it gives. I liked using the radio tower to get

776
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 2: up the.

777
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: Bid yell fuck you at my television screen. When Steve

778
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: fell off and he was caught.

779
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: You knew it was gonna be Jonathan.

780
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: No, I thought it was gonna be Dusty.

781
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: Uh No, he doesn't have the forearm strength of that kid.

782
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: Well, that brings me to my next point. So when

783
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: they're able to jump into Dimension X, all the kids

784
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: do it without any like inconvenience. They just go right

785
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: up there where they're all on the side of the

786
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: radio tower jumping up with no consequences. One of them

787
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 1: should have fallen off and died.

788
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 2: Uh. Yeah. The start of the episode, you have Hopper, Murray,

789
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: Eleven and Cali, you know, trying to go at Vecna

790
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 2: in the upside Down lab. And then you have Mike, Dustin, Lucas, Steve, Nancy, Jonathan,

791
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 2: and Robin fighting the mind flare in the Joyce, joy

792
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 2: and Joyce.

793
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 1: Don't forget Joyce is there the entire time. I'm staying

794
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: to my wife, Joyce is gonna do something. Yeah, we

795
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: need to wait on Joyce because she's not just gonna

796
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: be there for no reason. It makes more sense. Really

797
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: use your brains here, people. Will has already told us

798
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: that he is strong on his own. He doesn't need

799
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: the support of his mommy, So there was really no

800
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: need to have Joyce there with Will. Joyce should have

801
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: stayed and helped with Max.

802
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. I get what you're saying, but then you don't

803
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 2: get the flashback almost when she's chopping Vecna's head.

804
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: So that is the reason why when she eventually because

805
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: she has an axe, what she gonna do with the

806
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 1: acts turned down? The fucking tree.

807
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: If you were given the opportunity to bring a tool

808
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 2: into the abyss, what would you What would you bring?

809
00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 2: Actions isn't a bad option.

810
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: I'd probably want some kind of a gun, well yeah, sure,

811
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: or like a protective force field so nothing can hurt

812
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: me and I can hide.

813
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 2: So you get also Mike helping in the big moment,

814
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 2: right he goes into Vecna's eyes and you know, prevents

815
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 2: him from doing harm to eleven I suppose. And then you,

816
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: of course you get the finish with Joyce chopping the

817
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 2: head off, which I liked the stuff spliced in there

818
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: while she was chopping. I didn't chopping was.

819
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: I also didn't like that she was the one that

820
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: chopped the head off, and the Duffers have said after

821
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: we felt that she was the mother of the group,

822
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: you could make that argument. Maybe in season one she

823
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 1: was still off on her own so much of that season,

824
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: and since she's been more away from the kids and

825
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: with Hopper than anything else.

826
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: I was more upset with Vecna, like just getting him

827
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: paled with a simple force push. I like the over

828
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 2: Like the head chop I was okay with because at

829
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: that point we're like, all right, Joyce needs her mind.

830
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: I would almost rather like maybe dust and it more.

831
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: But Dustin got the speech at the end. Yeah, not

832
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: even chopping off the head, just shoot it in the

833
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 1: head with the with the the flare gun.

834
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 2: So all right, that was that. That was fine enough, right.

835
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 2: I didn't love it. It wasn't great, but it was fine enough,

836
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: good enough. What really is that issue here? Is Callie

837
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: gets killed by the government, or so we think, I mean,

838
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: ultimately the whole upside down collapses, So she's dead for

839
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 2: sure now, But was she alive that extra thirty minutes

840
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: or an hour to cast that projection Luke Skywalker style

841
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 2: to help Eleven escape?

842
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 1: Is that possibility?

843
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah?

844
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: It's also like I had my attitude this whole episode.

845
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 1: I guess it's this whole podcast too, of I don't

846
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: care enough about it to think.

847
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 2: So here's what I take issue with though, is in

848
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: that moment before Levin disappears, like Obi wan Kenobi, she

849
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,959
Speaker 2: uses her powers to speak to Mike in her mind

850
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: or his mind, which she would not have been able

851
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 2: to do with those little sonar things right there at

852
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 2: the gate. So I she is either further away or

853
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: you know, there's an inconsistency there in a big moment,

854
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: so that's it's bothersome. So then we get to this

855
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 2: epilogue and Mike is, you know, positing this thinking that

856
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 2: eleven acts tually escaped because he notices the blip on

857
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 2: the speakers, which makes him think back to that moment,

858
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: and he knows that it wouldn't have been possible for

859
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: Elle to use her powers there, but she still had

860
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 2: that conversation with him in his head. So it's confusing.

861
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: It's very cool, I do, and this was a me thing.

862
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: Is you know how they tried to make each character

863
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: look older in the eighteen month jump for some reason.

864
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: When they cut to Mike and he was on the typewriter,

865
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 1: in my head, I saw a white streak in his hair,

866
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: and I couldn't stop laughing just the thought of them

867
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: being like, let's make like we had a really tough

868
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: time making them look like teenagers. Now let's make him

869
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: look like he's fifty.

870
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 2: I did really like when he's telling the story of

871
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: the Mage or whatever her character type was in D

872
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 2: and D, how they're splicing it in with her walking,

873
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 2: you know, and getting to the top of the mountain.

874
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: The reason why I think it might be true. The

875
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,240
Speaker 1: entire time Elle and Mike would talk about a land

876
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: with three waterfalls, the land that she goes to has

877
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: two waterfalls. If it was Mike telling the story, and

878
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: we're not sure if it's real, there would have been

879
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 1: three waterfalls. The fact there was only two waterfalls. Elle's alive.

880
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 2: I just figured the third was in front of her.

881
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: You see two, but there might be a third directly

882
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: below her. She's dead, fucking but it's purposefully ambiguous so

883
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: that the viewer could have their own experience with it.

884
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 2: Elsewhere in Hawkins, we see the military is gone, the town,

885
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: the military building and recovering.

886
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: Okay, so Hopper kills what two dozen?

887
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: A lot a lot? Yeah?

888
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: And what is the punishment? New job? Twenty percent?

889
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: Rais Yeah, sheriff again? Uh? Good, doctor K. To cast

890
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: Linda Hamilton as doctor K is choice number.

891
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: One stunt casting, but yeah.

892
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: Number two, to give her nothing to do the whole

893
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 2: season while she's chewing up the screen. It was just

894
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 2: a terrible combination. It was a poorly written character, it

895
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: was poorly acted. The character was fucking terrible good.

896
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: Even in so if Hopper was talking to Joyce when

897
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: they were getting engaged. If he said, Wow, it was

898
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: really nice of Murray to take the rap for me

899
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: and say that he killed all those people. And Murray's

900
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: in jail.

901
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 2: Now sure, sure Murray might not hate jail either, he

902
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 2: might thrive in jail. Uh. We see there's been a

903
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 2: memorial built, like in the center of town where it

904
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: all split open. Max and Lucas are together. Like you said,

905
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 2: Hopper and Joyce are now engaged. Uh. Dustin becomes the

906
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 2: val dictorian of their graduating classes.

907
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: And he pretty much gives the speech that Eddie was

908
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: telling him when I graduate, I'm going to do this.

909
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: And also what I liked about that, and this is

910
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: some of the fun factor that I feel like the

911
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 1: entire season has missed. That felt like so many eighties

912
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: movies where just the lack of respects for a principal

913
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: or a teacher and all the kids are like this

914
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: guy do isn't no fun. And the way that Dustin

915
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: spoke about the principal loved it.

916
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: It was good. It was good. And to your point,

917
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: the final forty forty five minutes does feel more like

918
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: the rest of the show than the whole season. Did

919
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: you have Steve is now a sex head teacher in

920
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 2: baseball coach. You know, we get the backstory.

921
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: And can almost afford a house as a baseball.

922
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 2: Coach, of which I guess you could in the eighties.

923
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: You know, we're deal with the older kids now.

924
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: So Steve, we need more trickle down at Nantes.

925
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 2: Reagan onmics, Nancy's becoming a journalist, Jonathan is that NYU film?

926
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: Nancy has dropped out of Emerson and now she is

927
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: working with Howie Carr at the Herald?

928
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:12,439
Speaker 2: Who does And then I thought forgot Rob, Yeah, she's

929
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: still that.

930
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: They're all gonna hang out at Uh.

931
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 2: What I thought was really cool was the two shots

932
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 2: in the final scene of the kids putting their D

933
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 2: and D character books in the bookshelf and us looking

934
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: through the bookshelf one by one, and then them going

935
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 2: up the stairs and that up and down.

936
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: That is gonna be I love this soggy lasagna.

937
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 2: I loved it.

938
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,439
Speaker 1: They are crying their eyes out, Those tears are gonna

939
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: just they're gonna start to puddle right on top of

940
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: that cheese.

941
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 2: I would be curious as to when they shot that scene.

942
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 2: I hope it was the last thing.

943
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: You know, I kind of want lazagna. Now I'm curious

944
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: what Karen Wheeler's lasagna is like.

945
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 2: Oh, I'd like to taste anything Karen Whiller would.

946
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: Be even now. Yeah, Karen Wheeler once again should have

947
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: died several times. I thought it would have been funny too.

948
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: If at the graduation, when they're showing the rest of

949
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: the family and everyone being proud of the kids that

950
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: are now graduating, if after Karen they just nonchalantly said,

951
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: you had a dad died, What are you gonna do?

952
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: Good? Screen phase?

953
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: Do you remember the series finale of The Wonder Years,

954
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: So in that they're at a parade and they're slowly

955
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: going across Kevin's family and they're saying, oh, Wayne went

956
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: on to do this, the sister went on to do this,

957
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: the mother of this, and then it gets to the

958
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: father and it says dad died of a heart attack,

959
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: just very small at the bottom of the screen whatever,

960
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: not like he was a great dad during this show.

961
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: Fuck him he's dead. What kind of disrespect was that?

962
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 2: Great point? Great point made by you.

963
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: Having said that they should have done that on Stranger Things.

964
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 2: So the screen phase the black, and as it phades

965
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 2: the black, we hear Holly Derek and that group of

966
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 2: friends in the Wheel of Basement starting their own D

967
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 2: and D campaign, echoing what happened in season one, of course,

968
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 2: and what really has taken place over this whole season.

969
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 2: So I thought they did a nice job putting the

970
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: bow on the package here the package. Maybe we didn't

971
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 2: care for the gift, but the bow was nice. Well,

972
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 2: packages and raft. It's a little stinky. It's a little

973
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 2: stinky in there. So I didn't regret regret watching it,

974
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 2: and I'm not mad. So in the pantheon of season finales,

975
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 2: series finales, it's not at the top, it's out in

976
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: the bottom. It's probably smack dab in the middle.

977
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: It's not a blue byugle.

978
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 2: Squeeze in the middle, smack dab in the middle.

979
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: So, as we talked about a little bit here, the

980
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: Duffer brothers have been talking with many of media's explaining things,

981
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: defending backpedaling. I wish that they would have waited a

982
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: month or so to really let this sit in with

983
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: people and not just look at yes, people on the

984
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: internet stuff. We talked pretty poorly about this too. That's

985
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: what people do. If you are a creative type, just

986
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: know that you're better than us.

987
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 2: It's much easier to complain than it is to praise, and.

988
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: People we did, while very short, we did praise the

989
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 1: other seasons.

990
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 2: For sure, and have I don't think we're reviewed season one,

991
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 2: but the other three seasons we did review, and we

992
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 2: are plenty of praise to go around there and even here,

993
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's not easy. This is why people

994
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 2: have a hard time writing papers goop because they can't.

995
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 2: They don't know how to wrap the paper up. They

996
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 2: don't know how to wrap the story up. It's not easy.

997
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: The body also difficult for me to write.

998
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 2: A finale, to finish everything up. And so in that respect,

999
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 2: some credit is due to them for it was not

1000
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 2: that bad to digest. You know, they didn't give us

1001
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 2: food poisoning it. I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it.

1002
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: Okay. So we do have some details here for the

1003
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: live action Stranger Things spin off. We also know that

1004
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 1: there is gonna be an animated series that comes out

1005
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,479
Speaker 1: this year twenty twenty six actually, and it is set

1006
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: between seasons two and three. None of the cast is

1007
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: in there as voice actors. Whatever. Yeah, if I watch,

1008
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: I watch, we'll see sure. But the spinoff. The live

1009
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 1: action spinoff does not involve the upside down.

1010
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 2: I'm pretty convinced it's gonna be about government stuff in

1011
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: the fifties or sixties.

1012
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: Well, I don't want that.

1013
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be like what Henry's grandfather, like

1014
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 2: that sort of shit. Like, I think we're gonna be

1015
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 2: going back.

1016
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: And well, the main thing is the uck. It's the

1017
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: rock that they want to talk about.

1018
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think we'll you know, maybe that sort

1019
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 2: of stuff and go. It gives them an excuse to

1020
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 2: do another period piece, right, people love that shit. So

1021
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 2: I think I think you're gonna see a show set

1022
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 2: in like the fifties or the.

1023
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: Sixties, completely different story, location, characters and actors.

1024
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 2: Yep. And if you're doing government stuff, you can set

1025
00:52:58,520 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 2: it wherever.

1026
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: So really washing the idea that I had of Holly

1027
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: being maybe the main star of the next one. Other

1028
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: people have said, Hopper, you move, Hopper, he's moving at

1029
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: the end of this you follow Hopper and Joyce. I'm

1030
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: okay with that. I think Hopper should have died many

1031
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: of seasons ago. That would have given some.

1032
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 2: Si to kill himself at the end of three seasons,

1033
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 2: and then he let's his second daughter die.

1034
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: Let's see here they will the Duffer brothers will remain

1035
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: heavily involved, but will not be showrunners on the next one.

1036
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: And let's see here. It's very different, but it's also

1037
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: very stranger things.

1038
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 2: Here's the suggestion for the folks at Netflix. Next time

1039
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,919
Speaker 2: you pay people millions of dollars to create a show

1040
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 2: that's this popular, and they make a stage play integral

1041
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 2: to this the series.

1042
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: Well, they put it on your platform so we can

1043
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 1: watch it. They also mentioned and they realize that Hopper

1044
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: and Joyce would have gone to school with Henry Vecna,

1045
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: but they had that conversation off screen not to confuse people.

1046
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 2: I still don't know if they even knew it was

1047
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 2: Henry Krele. You know who knows.

1048
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: Let's get into Mac Sack and Mac Sak could be anything.

1049
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: It could be a boat and Mac. The people out

1050
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: there are buzzing. They're all talking about it. Commercials, Yes,

1051
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: there are more commercials during Mac and Goo. Is it

1052
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: a problem now?

1053
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 2: I haven't noticed. I think Goho's been talking about this

1054
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 2: for a while. I didn't even know it was really

1055
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 2: a problem because I consume this and many other podcasts

1056
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 2: via YouTube I like the video element no ads on YouTube.

1057
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 1: You might have noticed not only in this one, but

1058
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: in some of your other favorite podcasts that yeah, there's

1059
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: there's more commercials, more ads, but uh, gotta pay the bills. Now,

1060
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: when I say that, I mean we don't see any

1061
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 1: of that straight to the top. It's Reaganomics. We're expecting

1062
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: the trickle down soon. Yeah, so Mac, I will say

1063
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: this is we have some upcoming podcasts now that we

1064
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: are in the new year, we usually know what we're

1065
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 1: doing in January. It's the runover of the great movies

1066
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: that we get that are award movies. The one that

1067
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about on Monday, the one that I

1068
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: think was, how do you describe this? It's not a

1069
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: palette cleanser. It's you go from watching Stranger Things, something

1070
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: that you are you're watching and saying, I don't know

1071
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: how much I care about this, to then watching a

1072
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: movie that sucks you in and you feel like you're

1073
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: a part of this world and you're buying into everything

1074
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: and you're loving everything. Marty Supreme.

1075
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm glad you finally were able to catch it.

1076
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 2: I'm excited to talk about it because it is a

1077
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 2: great movie, but I think it's been instantly overrated by

1078
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 2: a lot of people.

1079
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: Do you think I just did that.

1080
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 2: I think you would have a hard time telling me

1081
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 2: it's better than Uncut Gems.

1082
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:19,280
Speaker 1: I like Uncut Gems more agreed, because I think the

1083
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: payoff on the tension.

1084
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 2: Way better, way better.

1085
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 1: That's really what helps Uncut Gems is the final scene. Yes,

1086
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: this also has a good final scene.

1087
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 2: A fitting one, a fitting one.

1088
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: And it's also something that.

1089
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 2: Exciting.

1090
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Speaker 1: It's something that you're waiting for the entire movie and

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Speaker 1: then you finally get it. I do like that, but

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Speaker 1: I think the payoff to Uncut Gems and the tension

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Speaker 1: that you have there is something that I really have

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Speaker 1: not felt in other movies.

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Speaker 2: No, I agree with you there, And don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 2: Timothy shallow May is great in this movie. I don't

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Speaker 2: think he's the best performance in the movie. Ko Is.

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Speaker 2: I think he is love interest. I think her name

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00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 2: is Odessa. She's unbelievable. She's she should be getting more

1100
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 2: talk for award season than she's getting. Shalla May may

1101
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 2: very well win Best Actor. And you know what it's

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00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 2: it's it's unfortunate because Leo's great in one battle after another,

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00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 2: and one of these two has to lose, but she

1104
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 2: is not getting her due justice.

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Speaker 1: I thought she was great, and we'll talk about this

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00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: more on Goos Day. I think that what he does

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Speaker 1: in this movie, where he is in it from tip

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00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: to tail, every scene and he controls every single scene

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00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: with this amazing pacing that he has, it's to me

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Speaker 1: how we talked about Killian Murphy and Oppenheimer, how we

1111
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: talk about Rayleota and Goodfellas, where it's he is the

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Speaker 1: pulse of this movie.

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Speaker 2: Agreed, But how does this happen? And he's been the

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00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 2: front front runner for Best Actor for three months before

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00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 2: the movie even came out, and Adam Sandler doesn't even

1116
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 2: get nominated for Uncut Jets.

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00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: We all agree that Sandler's great.

1118
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 2: Like Sale like Sandler's doing what.

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00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: Chalomi can't hold it against Chalo may.

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Speaker 2: I'm mad at the people.

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Speaker 1: I'm not at the paying this entire episode, even during

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Speaker 1: Stranger Things out of Nowhere. Challa mai fuck?

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Speaker 2: Is justice for Sandler, justice for Sandler? To not nominate

1124
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 2: Sandler and to pray Shallomey. The way that people are

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Speaker 2: doing to me is insane. All right?

1126
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Speaker 1: So after Marty Supreme. We have a lot to talk

1127
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: about after Marty Supreme, and this is in no exact order,

1128
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,439
Speaker 1: and there might be some news dumps sprinkled in as well.

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Speaker 1: We have to talk about Pluribus. I have not yet

1130
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: seen it, but I am going to see it soon.

1131
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 2: I had to remind myself with Pluribus that it is

1132
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 2: the setup for a series. I think we get so

1133
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 2: used to having Grand finales and expecting Grand finales sometimes

1134
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 2: you forget this is just like the first few chapters

1135
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 2: of a long story. And so I had to remind

1136
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 2: myself at the of that at the end of Pluribus.

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Speaker 1: Top ten most anticipated movies of twenty twenty six will

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Speaker 1: have that shortly in this month. Also, by the end

1139
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Speaker 1: of the month, early February, we'll have the Cinemac and

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1141
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you also need to put out some.

1142
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Speaker 1: Pollsh I need to all the people.

1143
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Speaker 2: So so we can figure out who won the twenty

1144
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Speaker 1: Draft, because by the end of February we need to

1146
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Speaker 1: have that drafts. Usually we like to have it out

1147
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: before March. What's the first big movie to come out this.

1148
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Speaker 2: Year, I forget twenty eight years later. The second Boney

1149
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 2: Boneyard's coming out in like two weeks.

1150
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Speaker 1: So that'll so we're not going to have that on

1151
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Speaker 1: there then.

1152
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure we'll have to look that.

1153
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1154
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1155
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Speaker 1: of next week. This is coming out late and I'm

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Speaker 1: not even sure when this is coming out, but when

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Speaker 1: it's out you can enjoy it. Tuesdays are Goosdays, I

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