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Speaker 2: So the House is not going to vote this week.

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Speaker 3: And an extension to the Affordable Care Acts enhanced premium

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Speaker 3: year unless something critical is done here don't look like it.

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Speaker 3: Moderate Republicans are squeezed against the mega contingent of the

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Speaker 3: The House Rules Committee blocked that, uh, because they're trying

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Speaker 3: to attach that to the Geopece Healthcare plan, and that

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Speaker 3: plan does not include an extension for the twenty million

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Speaker 3: the year. It's some wonky political crap that's going on.

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Speaker 3: But Dean Clancy's here once again. He's a senior Health

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Speaker 3: policy fellow at Americans for a Prosperity at AFP.

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Speaker 2: Dean, welcome back. How you doing, I'm doing great. Thanks.

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Speaker 3: We can all agree that our healthcare system sucks. I

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Speaker 3: believe when you put it in this you put it

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Speaker 3: to me. The end product is it's just it's simply

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Speaker 3: not good. And we've talked about this in the past,

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Speaker 3: and you know the idea that subsidies are a great alternative.

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Speaker 3: I think it's more of a band aid patch. Why

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Speaker 3: can't moderates get this done? And what's the resistance from

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Speaker 4: Well, this whole issue of the expiring extra Obamacare subsidies,

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Speaker 4: the press and looks on the left who smell an

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Speaker 4: opportunity to put Republicans on the defensive in twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: to do, since the high cost is really due to Obamacare,

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Speaker 4: which is a completely Democratic party creation. And now the

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Speaker 4: subsidies are going to expire on January once. Despite all

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Speaker 4: the drama the modern Republicans who wanted to extend the subsidies.

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Speaker 5: We're never able to.

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Speaker 4: Solve some of the very simple practical problems, like how

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Speaker 4: the fact that the pro life community has said, well,

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Speaker 4: any extension has to add protections so that there's no

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Speaker 4: taxpayer funding of abortion, and this plan publicans basically just

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Speaker 4: you have a Speaker Johnson this week saying sure, I'll

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Speaker 2: But you do need to pay for it.

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Speaker 4: You need to offset the cost. The cost is like

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Speaker 4: twenty five to thirty billion dollars with a bee every

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Speaker 4: single year that you extend the subsidies. That's a lot

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Speaker 4: they weren't serious in a sense, they were played by

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Speaker 4: the Democrats who have disingenuously pretended that they want to

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Speaker 4: they exaggerate as some kind of premium increase of they

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Speaker 6: Have they're falling for it. They're not, you know, it's.

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Speaker 3: And on that, and we've talked about this in the past,

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Speaker 3: it's a subsidy fest, is what it is. And if

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Speaker 3: you subsidize anything, you're just covering up the true cost.

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Speaker 3: You're giving people a coupon a voucher basically, which ingratiates

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Speaker 3: them with government and elected officials. Obviously, so politicians on

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Speaker 3: And that number is growing now. I did see some

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Speaker 4: What then, Well, you're absolutely right about that. The number

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Speaker 4: And and you know, Obamacare has become so much more

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Speaker 3: Right right, which undermines the whole system. Like Obamacare is,

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Speaker 3: I'm perfectly healthy. I'm not going to subscribe to this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 4: For Democrats, it's all about the ultimate goal of putting

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Speaker 4: you know. On the bright side, the Republicans, in addition

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Speaker 4: they have been actually voting on. The House will vote

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Speaker 4: plan does not reduce health insurance premiums by a penny.

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Speaker 4: Expanding Obamacare bailing it out, does not reduce the cost

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: Do you know, I just saw new study numbers here,

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Speaker 4: Well, it's true that. Look in any health insurance subsidy scheme,

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Speaker 4: government run healthcare. But you know you mentioned sixty percent.

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Speaker 4: Sixty percent of the people who are on Obamacare now

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Speaker 4: we'll be able to find a plan that costs them

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Speaker 4: less than fifty dollars a month, less than two dollars

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Speaker 4: the reports of the tsunami the apocalypse were greatly exaggerated.

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Speaker 4: Probably hopefully Probably that will encourage Republicans to keep trying

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Speaker 4: to reform healthcare, expand health savings accounts as they voted

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Speaker 4: want to without without insurance company meddling. That's the future

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Speaker 3: Dean Clancy's here, he's a senior health policy fellow Americans

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Speaker 4: Dean, Well, we absolutely need price transparency, especially if we do.

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Speaker 3: But they're not doing it. That's the prible even even

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Speaker 4: it on their websites. They're making it so you can't

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Speaker 4: in healthcare too, and that's why we want everyone to

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Speaker 4: You pay the bill, and when that happens, prices become

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Speaker 4: transparent naturally, right.

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Speaker 3: But still the problem, of course is healthcare affordability. This

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Speaker 3: December thirty first of this year. I get why subsidies exist,

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Speaker 3: A monumental day today, a monumental day in history. On

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Speaker 7: I four three two one, and that will do it

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Speaker 3: like the are still pretty cheap. But again, you know,

437
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Speaker 3: a price everything is going up. This is how it is.

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Speaker 2: He's going to try to tell people, maybe what the

439
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Speaker 2: plan is. I wonder.

440
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Speaker 3: I hope he doesn't lean into the it's all a

441
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Speaker 3: lie by the Democrats, because that's going to go over

442
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,479
Speaker 3: like a fart in church. Let's call it what that is.

443
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Speaker 3: But relative to the terroraces I was talking about, we'll

444
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Speaker 3: get into that a little bit later on with Michelle

445
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 3: Schultzi's a trade attorney. I think it's interesting because today

446
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,959
Speaker 3: this goes to show you the hypocrisy of politics. So today,

447
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 3: relative to the Affordable Care Act, which is not of course,

448
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Speaker 3: anything you subsidize is not afford You're making it look

449
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Speaker 3: like it's affordable.

450
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Speaker 1: It's not.

451
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Speaker 3: You're just taking money from somewhere else and giving it

452
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Speaker 3: to people to make it look for them that it's affordable.

453
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Speaker 3: It's not affordable. Affordable Care acts a joke. It drives

454
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Speaker 3: the cost up. Subsidy makes stuff cost more, not less.

455
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 3: So moderate Republicans are trying to squeeze the party and saying, look,

456
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 3: we've got to at least extend this for a year

457
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Speaker 3: or two so we can sort this out. Because our

458
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 3: seats are in jeopardy. People are going to hold us

459
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Speaker 3: responsible if you have some twenty what twenty two million

460
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Speaker 3: Americans get their subsidies cut, there's gonna be backlash for that.

461
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 3: We may have to pay the political price for that.

462
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 3: Republicans locked them out, said we're not budging on this,

463
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Speaker 3: and we're going to introduce our own plan today and

464
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Speaker 3: move forward on that when it does include more subsidies

465
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Speaker 3: for Obamacare. Okay, got it. So subsidies are bad. Remember

466
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Speaker 3: that subsidies are bad. Tonight, at nine o'clock, the President's

467
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Speaker 3: going to talk about the tariffs, and I'm gonna guess

468
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 3: he's going to go, Look, here's what we're going to

469
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Speaker 3: do with all this money, the nearly quarter trillion dollars

470
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Speaker 3: that we got from tariffs. We're going to do what

471
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Speaker 3: with Well, what we're going to do is maybe give

472
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 3: you a check for two thousand dollars. Maybe what we're

473
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Speaker 3: going to do is pay down the deficit. Probably not.

474
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Speaker 3: What we're going to do are tax cuts, eliminating income taxes,

475
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 3: all this stuff that we're going to do some eight

476
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 3: different plans to spend the tariff money that's come in.

477
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 3: I would look at it and go, well, okay, didn't

478
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 3: we just give farmers here in Ohio specifically lost like

479
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 3: seventy six million dollars in exports to China.

480
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Speaker 2: We give them?

481
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Speaker 3: We did on top of what happened last round twelve

482
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Speaker 3: billion dollars in bailouts. Meanwhile, we've lost seventeen billion to

483
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Speaker 3: China on agricultural trade alone. So isn't that a subsidy?

484
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 3: And the answer would be, yeah, that's a subsidy. Like

485
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 3: wait a minute, we're against subsidies with healthcare, but we're

486
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Speaker 3: for them when it comes to tariffs and farmers. Yes,

487
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Speaker 3: that is called Washington logic.

488
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Speaker 2: Is what that is?

489
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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know why you're in support of

490
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Speaker 3: the president if it's still where it was when he

491
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 3: got a lot when you voted for him, or maybe

492
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 3: it's wane as for a lot of people as well.

493
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Speaker 3: That certainly doesn't help the case. And you know, the

494
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Speaker 3: idea that we're going to go and drain the swamp

495
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Speaker 3: and do things differently and shake it up.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: That sounds like more Washington politics to me, which leaves

498
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 3: a lot of people. And I think a lot of

499
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Speaker 3: people who voted for Trump and the administration, I think

500
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 3: it leaves them don't feel like you're holding the bag,

501
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 3: so to speak. I think you can't be against tariffs

502
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 3: when it's healthcare, but for them when it's for farmers,

503
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Speaker 3: it just doesn't make any said terrorists, it's a terror

504
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 3: or terriffs. Can't be against subsidy. Rather, I should say

505
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 3: when it's healthcare versus farmers, same thing. Quit taking the

506
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 3: money and giving it to other people. Why not just

507
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 3: fix the issue? How do you make healthcare affordable? Get

508
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 3: the hell out of the healthcare game. And a lot

509
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 3: of people buy their own health care in the free market.

510
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Speaker 3: The money you save from all this other nonsense can

511
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Speaker 3: go to helping the indigen and the working poor, which

512
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 3: we should make the system work better. Give them the

513
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Speaker 3: money they can spend it in the open market. Get

514
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Speaker 3: your employer out of that line of work. But a

515
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Speaker 3: lot of Americans, Americans like the healthcare they get in

516
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 3: private sector and won't give that up. And conversely, now

517
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 3: study came out shows about sixty six and ten Americans

518
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: and that number has been consistent when they pull that

519
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 3: they like their affordable character, they like their Obamacare. So

520
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 3: you have those two things that are removable objects.

521
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Speaker 2: What now? What now? Five and three?

522
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Speaker 6: Seven?

523
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Speaker 3: The big one on the French chew topic. Real quick,

524
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 3: here will in Northern Kentucky on the Big one will

525
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Speaker 3: give me the update on French chew.

526
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Speaker 8: Hey, Tony, how are you doing I'm the guy that

527
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 8: started that World War two bet. His name was Harry Dosher, okay,

528
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Speaker 8: and they also made the Easter eggs every year still

529
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Speaker 8: they still do. But he was down on Court Street

530
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Speaker 8: by downtown soon set. He is there probably for I

531
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Speaker 8: think I think his grandfather even started. It's what I

532
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 8: remember the story seeing a picture on the wall. He

533
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 8: was in there a couple of times doing some work.

534
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Speaker 8: So anyway, great guy World War two bet Court Street.

535
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Speaker 8: He makes the Dosher Easter eggs too, Gosha. So I

536
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Speaker 8: think what sold off back in the mid ninety first,

537
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Speaker 8: excuse me, mid two thousands, I think a sun owner

538
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Speaker 8: per while.

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Speaker 6: Then eventually it was bloked by.

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Speaker 3: Another Doser makes They make candy canes too, don't they.

541
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Speaker 1: Yes, they do, okay, I thought knew that name right.

542
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Speaker 3: Right right, love the little can Little candy canes are

543
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 3: the best. It's just the right to the the fun

544
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 3: sized candy canes.

545
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Speaker 2: If you will.

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Speaker 8: I always said, you know, the French choo is actually

547
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 8: invented by a dentist, you know, but.

548
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Speaker 2: Well it's kind of like it's it's like taffy.

549
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 8: Right, Oh yeah, I never did, no understand. I meant

550
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 8: they asked him how he came up with that named

551
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 8: Harry died several years ago, but you know how it

552
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 8: came up with that name French chew, you.

553
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 3: Know, and as I said, it's it's you know, it's

554
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 3: around and you know that, Oh yeah, French chew. I've

555
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 3: seen it like a checkout or you know, we're candy

556
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: or candy aisle. But I've never seen anyone actually buy

557
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 3: it or jew out. I like walking by going, hey,

558
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 3: somebody's having French chew. You just it's been around, it's there.

559
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 3: They make a lot of it. I just don't know

560
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 3: anyone who's eating it well.

561
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 8: Was also in the American Legion. Harry was a big

562
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 8: support of the American Legion. Roseland and but it was

563
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 8: you know, we would get to merriedan to the family.

564
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 8: We'd get boxes of those things.

565
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Speaker 3: To the point where you to the point where you go, okay,

566
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 3: I've but enough French chew.

567
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 2: I think I'm pretty good here.

568
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 3: It gives you your teeth a good work out because

569
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 3: that stuff is sticky stick you know. When McConnell retired,

570
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 3: he took the Reese's Peanut butter cups with him. Because

571
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Speaker 3: I'm a huge fan of Rees's but and I think

572
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 3: the guy who brought him into mic, like, I mean

573
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 3: for a while, you know the story, like once a

574
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 3: month he brings a case of different races and we've

575
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Speaker 3: got the Christmas trees for the holidays, and the regular

576
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 3: ones are new ones that came the Oreo flavored ones,

577
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 3: and we all probably put on ten pounds each, I

578
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 3: think over the last couple of years from the gratuitous

579
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 3: display of Reeses, which I'm a huge fan of. I

580
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 3: love chocolate, I love peanut butter. Together it is magic.

581
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 3: Maybe I just started doing that with French chee. I'll

582
00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 3: be the French Chew ambassador. Yeah, we got but they

583
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 3: got vanilla. I know there's vanilla. There's a bunch of

584
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 3: different flavors as well. It's just a it's a funny thing,

585
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 3: not throwing shade against French Chew Cincinnati Company. And it's

586
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 3: been going on obviously since World War Two, so that's awesome.

587
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 3: But just you see it and you go, oh, yeah,

588
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 3: I didn't know what's made here. And then secondly it's

589
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 3: like I don't recall anyone going yacht. What's your favorite candy?

590
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 3: French Chew. Maybe it'll come back like everything. It's all retro, baby,

591
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 3: it's all retro these days. Uh and five one three

592
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 3: for nine seven thousand. Dave on the French chew topic.

593
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 3: I think I've hit a nerve here. What's going on?

594
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: Brother?

595
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Speaker 9: Yes, the French cho is made in Newtown, yep. And

596
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 9: they also make the dots, the candy dots on the paper.

597
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 3: Oh really, the dot the not not the dots dots,

598
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,479
Speaker 3: the dots in the box, but the ones that are

599
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 3: in paper, right, sugar dots. Yeah, yeah, okay, I've seen

600
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Speaker 3: those before. I didn't know they made those two.

601
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Speaker 9: Yes, And they make full size candy canes all different, gotcha?

602
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: All right, that's all. Yeah? Good.

603
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 2: Have you had a French chew?

604
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Speaker 6: It's been years, okay.

605
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: I think that's.

606
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 3: Also part of the problem, right, It's like, yeah, it's

607
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 3: been a long time, and I'm sure I've had a

608
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 3: French chew before. I just can't recall how remarkable it was,

609
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 3: that's all.

610
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: That's all.

611
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

612
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 3: The dots on paper, I remember, get those. I wonder that, like,

613
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 3: I think I still make them. It just it struck

614
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 3: me as maybe after and I wasn't born then, but

615
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 3: it struck me during the sixties Zeitgeist when people were

616
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 3: dropping acid that maybe candy on paper. I was like, yeah, okay,

617
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 3: you're gonna start handle those in Halloween. You might look

618
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 3: at it a little side. I going, yeah, dots of

619
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 3: sugar on paper? What could go wrong there on a

620
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 3: little wax paper. But I suppose if it's packaged up

621
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Speaker 3: or whatever. And you know, if you're a kid, you

622
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:45,959
Speaker 3: don't care.

623
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Speaker 2: Sugar pixie sticks Just basically eating powdered kool.

624
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Speaker 3: Aid is what we're doing. Love the pisy and pixie sticks.

625
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 3: You just give me sugar in any way, shape or form.

626
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Speaker 2: Baby.

627
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 3: I know everyone wants to talk about talk about the

628
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Speaker 3: French chew when we've picked that up some other time.

629
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,479
Speaker 3: But anyway, I gotta get a news update, and here

630
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 3: find it at the very latest. What's happening in and

631
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 3: around the world. Mentioned the President speaking tonight at nine o'clock.

632
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 3: When return on the Scotts Loan Show a little bit

633
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 3: after ten o'clock here on seven hundred WLW, I mentioned

634
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 3: I had Dean Clancy on earlier talking about talking about

635
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: the vote on healthcare coming up.

636
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Speaker 2: As Michael is eis we all worry about aging?

637
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Speaker 3: The older you get, the more fearful you are of

638
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Speaker 3: dying and trying to do things to hold back the

639
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 3: hands of time.

640
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: That is true.

641
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 3: Probably don't care as much as you're eighteen than when

642
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 3: you're eighty about things like that. However, we have new

643
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 3: science involving slowing down aging. How much can you slow

644
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Speaker 3: aging down?

645
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 9: On?

646
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 2: What does it take?

647
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 3: We'll get to that with Michael afternoons on the Home

648
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 3: of the Best Bengals coverage seven hundred WWT Cincinnati.

649
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Speaker 9: Do you want to be an American idiot?

650
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Speaker 3: Slowly backcoun seven hundred ww AG Oh yeah, that is

651
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Speaker 3: aging optional. No, we all age, but you can slow

652
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Speaker 3: it down a bit. The question is how, and the

653
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 3: answer is science, our healthcare system, our culture in general.

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Speaker 3: We pretty much focus on treating symptoms and not prevention,

655
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Speaker 3: and that is a I think that's a big problem

656
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Speaker 3: for us, but that's how we think, that's how we're programmed.

657
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Speaker 3: He is doctor Michael Azaz. He's an internist and regenitive

658
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Speaker 3: medicine specialist. And there are three or four big things

659
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Speaker 3: you need to know if you want to slow your

660
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Speaker 3: aging down a little bit. Not as important, probably not

661
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Speaker 3: feel it your twenties or thirties, but the time you

662
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Speaker 3: hit that forty year old mark on your old odometer,

663
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Speaker 3: you start thinking, man, things are getting sore, I'm getting

664
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Speaker 3: tired faster and all that stuff as well. And the

665
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Speaker 3: solution may be something you can do yourself. Doctor Z's

666
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Speaker 3: welcome to the show.

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Speaker 6: How are you good morning? Thank you so much for

668
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Speaker 6: having me, Scott.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, would you agree on that too. As we tend

670
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Speaker 3: to treat symptoms and diagnosies and go, okay, well we

671
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 3: have a medicine for this, but instead instead of fixing

672
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Speaker 3: what's ailing you, we just kind of prop things up

673
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Speaker 3: and mask over the signs.

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Speaker 6: That is totally true. We tend to accept getting older

675
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Speaker 6: as something that we need to take for granted and

676
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 6: it's normal to get older. But if we treat aging

677
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Speaker 6: as a disease, which is a you concept and medicine,

678
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,959
Speaker 6: we can age in a totally different way and prevent

679
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Speaker 6: chronic ASI raviss from happening in the first place. And

680
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Speaker 6: that's what I talk about in my books.

681
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Speaker 3: Let's go through that too, And it's something I do

682
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Speaker 3: a few of these things already, and I've said this

683
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Speaker 3: is a year I'm going to get more much more

684
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Speaker 3: serious about it. I think as I get closer and

685
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Speaker 3: closer to the big six to oh, farther away from

686
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Speaker 3: the big five oh and closer to the six to o.

687
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Speaker 2: And I do, and it works for me. I do

688
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Speaker 2: intermittent fasting.

689
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Speaker 3: And also I'll probably last meal I'll have is I

690
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Speaker 3: don't know, maybe anywhere between five and seven o'clock and

691
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Speaker 3: won't eat until after twelve o'clock the next day. And

692
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Speaker 3: for those of my god, how are you doing that?

693
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Speaker 3: I think it's easier as you get older because your

694
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Speaker 3: body needs less calories to function. So let's talk about

695
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Speaker 3: intermittent fasting and why that is so good for you.

696
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Speaker 6: All right, So, one of the whole marks of aging

697
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Speaker 6: is we have a young cells in our bodies and

698
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Speaker 6: we have old sellsand our bodies. And the old cells

699
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Speaker 6: not only do not function our bodies, but they also

700
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Speaker 6: discrupt the young cells. And that's one of the reasons

701
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Speaker 6: why we get older. And by doing what you're doing,

702
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,959
Speaker 6: intermittent fasting or not eating for a period of time,

703
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,959
Speaker 6: you're getting rid of the old cells. So the body

704
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 6: is like screaming, is like, what's happening is that person's starving?

705
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Speaker 6: So the body starts to eat the dead cells, the

706
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Speaker 6: cancer cells, and how intermittent fasting works in longevity. I'm

707
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Speaker 6: not a fan of prolonged fasting where you don't eat

708
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Speaker 6: for several days because you can lose muscle masks if

709
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Speaker 6: you skip a meal or eating between. Just eat our period.

710
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Speaker 6: That's great as long as you're eating the balance diet,

711
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Speaker 6: which in protein and antioxins and vitamins. You get rid

712
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Speaker 6: of the old cells. It's in essence cells and one

713
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Speaker 6: way to prolonged life, and that has been proven to

714
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Speaker 6: prolonged life in many animal studies, even monkeys, so probably

715
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Speaker 6: will do the same in humans as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, atopogy is what it's called.

717
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Speaker 3: So basically as I understood it, and the simple way

718
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Speaker 3: to explain this is like your body is always looking

719
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Speaker 3: for something to do. Your body is very very busy,

720
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Speaker 3: even though you may be sleeping or whatever, it's looking

721
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Speaker 3: for stuff to do. And if it's not busy digesting

722
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Speaker 3: food and try and figure out, you know, where to

723
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Speaker 3: send all the things here. It does housekeeping. It basically

724
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Speaker 3: cleans house and that is cleaning up all the old

725
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Speaker 3: dead cells. Some of those could promote things like cancer

726
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Speaker 3: and other illnesses.

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Speaker 6: That is totally true. And you know in the Middle East,

728
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Speaker 6: the rates of cancer are eighty five percent than the

729
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Speaker 6: United States and Europe. And that's because of the intermittent

730
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Speaker 6: fasting they do during the religious holiday of Ramadan. So

731
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Speaker 6: even though they eat massive amounts of sugar in eight

732
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Speaker 6: hour period, that period of it's kind of intermittent fasting.

733
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Speaker 6: It's promotes authosogy and it kills the sentis themselves. So

734
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Speaker 6: that's something we can learn from different countries around the world.

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Speaker 6: That that's what I share in the book.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you could eat one big meal a day,

737
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Speaker 3: you can pretty much eat, you know, with a restriction.

738
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Speaker 3: You can't go out an entire trail asagna or you know,

739
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Speaker 3: three large pizzas, but you can eat your food and

740
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Speaker 3: be full and still being a calorie deficit.

741
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Speaker 2: So it also helps to lose weight, right, you.

742
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Speaker 6: Know, you're talking like Brian Johnson who's pretty much just

743
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Speaker 6: eating once one meal.

744
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Speaker 1: Of a day.

745
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Speaker 6: That's very tough, but that probably has the most impact

746
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Speaker 6: on longevity. But I would say we have to enjoy life.

747
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Speaker 6: I'm not a fan of just not eating for a

748
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Speaker 6: long time. But what you're doing is totally good because

749
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Speaker 6: just eating an eight hour period is doable, is manageable.

750
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Speaker 6: You're not depriving yourself and you're probably going to get

751
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Speaker 6: the same benefits.

752
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and now if you're busy too, if I'm doing

753
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Speaker 3: a construction type of stuf, might have a bigger lunch

754
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Speaker 3: and a decent sized dinner. But if I'm not, then

755
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 3: it just you know, you gotta listen to your body

756
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Speaker 3: and not stuff yourself all the time. And that's easier

757
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 3: said than done because food is so damn good. So

758
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Speaker 3: intermittnfasting one thing you could do to slow down aging.

759
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Speaker 3: Let's talk about processed foods and anti inflammatories and stuff

760
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Speaker 3: like that. And the thing is, as you get older,

761
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Speaker 3: you notice your body is so much more inflamed. What

762
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Speaker 3: is your body telling you if you suffer from inflammation?

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Speaker 6: So what happens is the old self we have in

764
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Speaker 6: our bodies are also not just not functioning, but they

765
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Speaker 6: also are secreting inflammatory proteins. And that's why how aging happens.

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Speaker 6: And before you know it, you get wrinkled skin, you

767
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Speaker 6: can get joint issues, you can get stomach issues, you

768
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Speaker 6: can get weight gain, and that's inflammation. And one way

769
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Speaker 6: to control aging is control inflammation by again intermittent facting,

770
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Speaker 6: but by also eating a balanced diet which an empty oxidant, vitamins, mineral, superfoods.

771
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Speaker 6: People have to lose weight because belly fat is linked

772
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Speaker 6: to inflammation when we have so much fat around our bellies,

773
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Speaker 6: that's thee greet also inflammatory markers which are very bad

774
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Speaker 6: for ourselves. So it's you have to control inflammation if

775
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Speaker 6: you want to age in a good way.

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Speaker 3: One thing, my wife did this not long ago because

777
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Speaker 3: she was having just not feeling well and she went

778
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Speaker 3: someone recommended a and I forget what the name of

779
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Speaker 3: it is, but basically as a diet tissue who focuses

780
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Speaker 3: on that, and did a whole bunch of tests and

781
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Speaker 3: found out that she had a gluten sensitivity, and so

782
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Speaker 3: things like gluten also eggs, mushrooms like weird stuff she

783
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 3: could eat. And she's taken those things out of her

784
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Speaker 3: dial largely and feels so much better.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 6: Food allergies. Of course, if you have foodgies, that can

787
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Speaker 6: also cause inflammation, so that's a good way to get tested.

788
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Speaker 6: You can do a skin test, you can do a

789
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Speaker 6: blood test. That's your doctor's office to make sure to

790
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Speaker 6: avoid the types of food that you're intolerant to. Gluten

791
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Speaker 6: intolerance is very rare. It's only one in two hundred

792
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Speaker 6: people who have it. But if you have gluten intolerance

793
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 6: or if you have civic disease, definitely have to avoid

794
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Speaker 6: grains because that can cause it inflammation and just being

795
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Speaker 6: on top of health. We have a habit in the

796
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Speaker 6: United States and we get a physical just once year,

797
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Speaker 6: and we think we're going to age in a different

798
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Speaker 6: way and we go on top of our health. But

799
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Speaker 6: really we have to think differently. We have to treat

800
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Speaker 6: aging the disease. We have to take a proactive approach.

801
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Speaker 6: We have to know our food allergies. We have to

802
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Speaker 6: know if there's inflammation. We have to be in a

803
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Speaker 6: good way. We have to control aging by supplements, medications

804
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Speaker 6: and so on.

805
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and again, as sactor Michael is Eas, he's an

806
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 3: Internet regenitive medicine specialists. In his books The Ageous Revolution,

807
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Speaker 3: and the question is how do you slow down age?

808
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 3: Can't stop it, obviously, but you can help yourself as

809
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Speaker 3: you get older. There's things like intermitt and fasting. We're

810
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Speaker 3: talking about proving processed foods from you diet and can

811
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Speaker 3: you not eat? You know, are you so strict that

812
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: you shouldn't need any of this stuff? I mean, who

813
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 3: doesn't like a good cheeseburger once in a while, or

814
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Speaker 3: I mentioned a pizza or something like that. Do you

815
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Speaker 3: have to sustain yourself completely on whole grains? Could you

816
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Speaker 3: work in a cheap day or two there? How's that work?

817
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Speaker 6: The problem in the American diet fifty percent of our

818
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Speaker 6: diet now is process and that's bad. When we eat

819
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Speaker 6: process food, we find carbohydrate pizza, doughnut, sugar that promote aging.

820
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Speaker 6: And we have to lower the amount of process food

821
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Speaker 6: we eat. I don't think we can eliminate it totally.

822
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Speaker 6: I think if we go down to ten percent, maybe

823
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Speaker 6: so having it, you know, a pizza once in a while,

824
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Speaker 6: thin cross whole weeks with a lot of vegetables. That's

825
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Speaker 6: a good way. And if you're eating a balanced diet

826
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Speaker 6: which in antioxidens, vitamins, and minerals, and you're exercising, you

827
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Speaker 6: can probably counter effect the effect of process food that

828
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Speaker 6: you're eating on occasions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Gut health is another one too that we don't

830
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Speaker 3: pay attention to. Years ago, as in the hospital, got

831
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Speaker 3: seediff and had to eat a lot of yogurt and

832
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 3: kafir and things like that, and you kind of notice

833
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 3: you feel a little bit better when you have those

834
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Speaker 3: enzymes in your gut.

835
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Speaker 6: Yes, so gut heals is one of the whole marks

836
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Speaker 6: of aging that I talk about in my book, and

837
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Speaker 6: I talk in my book also about the countries that

838
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Speaker 6: have the longest lifespan and the Blue zones where many

839
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Speaker 6: of them live to one hundred and many of those

840
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Speaker 6: countries they eat a diet that is rich in probiotics.

841
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Speaker 6: They eat fermented food. Even countries not like the Blue zones,

842
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 6: like South Korea, they eat kinshi. The women in South

843
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Speaker 6: Korea are going to be the first to lift the

844
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Speaker 6: age ninety. And the reason got's so important because in

845
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Speaker 6: our gut lists pillions of bacteria. We have more gut

846
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Speaker 6: bacteria than thousand our bodies. And those bacteria promote longevity

847
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 6: by doing vitamin K two, which prevents heart attack. They

848
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Speaker 6: make a product called eulescene which supplies the mitochondria, the

849
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Speaker 6: mitochondria or the bats of ourselves. And if we have

850
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Speaker 6: bad bacteria, then we have back to inflammation what we

851
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 6: just talked about and believe in not Scott, we have

852
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Speaker 6: a big problem when we're eating a lot of process foods.

853
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 6: We're not eating for mented foods we're not eating enough yogurt,

854
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 6: and that's why gout is very poor. And we have

855
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Speaker 6: now an epidemic of calling cancer in men below age fifty.

856
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 6: And again it has to do with inflammation. So calling

857
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Speaker 6: cancer's number one cancer now in men below age fifty.

858
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Speaker 6: It has to do with our poor gut health.

859
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Speaker 2: How much of this has to do with genetics.

860
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Speaker 3: You've mentioned people that live to one hundred and these

861
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Speaker 3: super agers, but that seems more genetic than lifestyle.

862
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Speaker 2: Wrong.

863
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Speaker 6: According to the research I've done for the book, I

864
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Speaker 6: believe seventy percent of our longevity is related to the

865
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Speaker 6: things we do diet, stress management, addequate sleep, exercise. Only

866
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Speaker 6: thirty percent genetics player role. And that's why we can

867
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Speaker 6: control our genetic destiny by doing all the good things

868
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Speaker 6: that we can control, or at least we try.

869
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean genetics do go a long way.

870
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 3: That's why you see people who you know, eat like

871
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 3: crap for years and they live.

872
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: Into their eighties.

873
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 3: But you know, you look around you average nursing home.

874
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 3: You don't say many too many obese people at nursing homes.

875
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 6: Uh.

876
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 1: Yeah.

877
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 6: I talked in my book that the longest person living

878
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 6: in the world was a French woman and she smoked.

879
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 6: So yeah, you're right. It's like really has to do

880
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 6: with with luck. But I think we all have to

881
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 6: try to do our very best, not only to eat

882
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 6: a good uh, a good diet, a balanced die thinkway

883
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 6: from fat diet, low fat diet with excess sugar, low

884
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 6: cop with all the chemicals. I tried, and right now

885
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 6: the country is moving in the right direction by limiting

886
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 6: all the chemicals in our processed food. So I'm glad that.

887
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 6: But just that's one of the steps to control aging.

888
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 6: There's many things to do to control aging again, express management,

889
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 6: adequate sleep, supplementation, and medications. Now there are medications to

890
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 6: control aging that the doctors are not aware of, and

891
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 6: that's why I want to educate the public about that.

892
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 6: We can, you know, age a completely different way with

893
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 6: all the advances we have in medicine.

894
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 2: One of the things I hear, I mean, there's you

895
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: know all mega threes, and.

896
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 6: Do you take that.

897
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 3: I do take vitamin D. My vitamin D lovels are perfect.

898
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 3: I take I take supplements.

899
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 6: Okay, So fish oil is very important. Fish oil one

900
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 6: grammar day I can give you four years of longevity.

901
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 6: That's amazing, and many of us are not taking fish

902
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 6: oil or we know it goes for us, but we

903
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 6: exact to take it. But if we're consistent, we can

904
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 6: have an extra years of longevity just by taking fish oil.

905
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: I heard.

906
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 3: The big one too is vitamin D. We don't get

907
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 3: a vitamin D. That's that when it comes to cancers

908
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 3: and things like that.

909
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 6: Yes, absolutely so, I believe in not Scott. Vitamin D

910
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 6: is so important not only for longevity but also for

911
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 6: presenttion of COVID. We had a very high rate of

912
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 6: mortality in the United States from COVID. And if you

913
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 6: take a look at I live in New York, if

914
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 6: you take a look at Florida, they had less mortality

915
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 6: from COVID than we did here in New York in

916
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 6: the Northeast. Because vitamin D is mostly from the sun.

917
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 6: So vitamin D not only plays a role in longevity,

918
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 6: but it's also the immune system prevention of COVID and

919
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 6: so on. Yeah, so our mortaliti rate was ten times

920
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 6: in Japan and South Korea from COVID and that was

921
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 6: really motivated. What motivated me to write The ageis revolution

922
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 6: because right now aging is happening in young people. You

923
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 6: don't have to be old to be you can be.

924
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 6: In America, you get young and old in the same

925
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 6: time because of the lifestyle choices we make.

926
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 3: One of the big components of people hate hearing this

927
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 3: is exercise, a little resistance training, you know, bands, free weight,

928
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 3: stuff like that. But you know some of these are like, well,

929
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 3: you need to work out for sixty minutes a day,

930
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 3: seven days a week, or five days a week or whatever,

931
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 3: and especially as you get older, that's really really tough

932
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 3: to do, and it's tough to do with your schedule.

933
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 3: So how much is enough when it comes to exercise,

934
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 3: I albeit just you go and walk on the dog

935
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 3: or walk around the block or something like that.

936
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 6: I think any type of exercise you do, regardless the

937
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 6: amount of time you do, is good for you. Aerobic

938
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 6: and aerobic, but definitely high intense. The interval training has

939
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 6: the most impact on longevity. Believe it or not, it

940
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 6: can add ten years to our lives. But that's a

941
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 6: very tough type of exercise to do. So I also

942
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 6: recommend balance, you know, walking, running, doing a little bit

943
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 6: of streadmills, lifting weight as we get older so they

944
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:06,959
Speaker 6: don't lose muscle mass. And if you're in good health

945
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 6: and you could do hit. That's fine. Do it, that's good,

946
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:10,479
Speaker 6: that's great.

947
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 3: It does start to wear the joints down, and you

948
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 3: got to segue into something else.

949
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 2: That's all.

950
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 3: If you doctor disease, if you eat like crap like

951
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 3: in your forties, fifties, maybe your sixties as well, can

952
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 3: you still reverse all this stuff?

953
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 5: I do think so.

954
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 6: I think the body has the ability to reset and

955
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 6: to reboot. And the body. You know, so many people

956
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 6: are overweight, so many people are diabetics. But if they

957
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 6: follow a balanced diet of they exercise, they can reverse that.

958
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 6: And there are supplements and medication that can help them.

959
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 6: So wait, now, look at the GLP for example, GLP

960
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 6: drugs and making everybody stand now, everybody's taking them, and

961
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 6: they're reversing diabetes, they're reversing obesity, they're reversing inflammation. You

962
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 6: can use muscle masks if you don't change your eating

963
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 6: habits and you're eating, you know, a lot of crap

964
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 6: instead of protein and a good diet. But they have

965
00:46:58,320 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 6: changed the way we control our weight.

966
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 2: Where are you on testosterone supplements?

967
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 6: I'm very big, big proponent of TRT as we get

968
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 6: older because testostrun is declining all over the United States,

969
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 6: especially in young people. Again, it has to do with stress,

970
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 6: has to do with low vitamin D, has to do

971
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 6: we don't enough eat seafood with zinc. And as the

972
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 6: starstrum goes down, man, we start to feel tired, we

973
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 6: start to get belly fat, we start to get erection problem.

974
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 6: And the biggest problem with declining tystoston is it shortens

975
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 6: our life. And the problem is doctors don't routinely checked

976
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 6: with the stostrun and if they do check with the stostron,

977
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 6: they don't do anything about it, or they may tell

978
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 6: you they compare you to any eighty year old they

979
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 6: say your tystostrum is normal, and the fact is theystostrum

980
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 6: is very low because you want to always be compared

981
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 6: to the younger person you could be. I don't want

982
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 6: to be compared to an older person.

983
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 3: Right right, yeah, but yeah, and all these things kind

984
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 3: of factor and anyway, aging is certainly not optional. We're

985
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 3: all aging, but you can slow it down and as

986
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 3: you get all of course, time is more precious than anything,

987
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 3: and if you can help yourself live a healthier, longer life,

988
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 3: then by all means you got to make some lifestyle change.

989
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 3: It's an adjustin pivot, but hell do it. Doctor Michael

990
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 3: is ease the Ageless Revolution. He's an internest and regenitive

991
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 3: medicine specialist. And thanks again for joining the show this morning.

992
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 6: Appreciate it, Thank you so much for having me.

993
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 2: That's how it's slow aging.

994
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 3: But it's not going to stop you from eating that

995
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 3: half a pie and the refrigerator, you know how that is.

996
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 3: We've got news on the way in just a few minutes,

997
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 3: when a return Julie on the Job is here, we

998
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 3: will talk about AI and the interesting twist a icebar

999
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 3: that entry level jobs aren't really entry level anymore because

1000
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 3: of AI. What does that mean? What does that mean

1001
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 3: for your career or maybe someone you love? Just ahead

1002
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 3: here Sloany seven hundred helping you put the big P

1003
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 3: in profession. Here's our career, Shirpa Julie bout.

1004
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 2: Yes, sir Julie day off today.

1005
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 3: She's got stuff going onspit a little busy and the

1006
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 3: show always goes on you're on the bus or under

1007
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 3: the In this case, AI is rewriting what entry level

1008
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 3: means in the workfa nobody to get an entry level

1009
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 3: job and you'd start out learning, you know, from the

1010
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 3: ground or built from the ground up. That's not true

1011
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 3: anymore because of AI. What's happening is companies are automating

1012
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 3: those tasks that were previously done by entry level employees.

1013
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 3: And so what that means is if a new graduate,

1014
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 3: those employers expect you to have advanced skills on day one.

1015
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 3: They're still learning curve anymore. Because the easy stuff they

1016
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 3: got AI doing, you're gonna have to really jump into

1017
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 3: the fray. Here joining the show is the co founder

1018
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 3: and chief strategy officer at Kingsleygate. They are in a

1019
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 3: global executive search room nook for CEOs and C suite

1020
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 3: members and his name is Umesh Rama Christian and joining

1021
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 3: the show this morning.

1022
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 2: How are you.

1023
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: I'm good, Scott, Thanks for having me.

1024
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, bet, this is a game change. I don't think

1025
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 3: enough people realize that we know about AI. All of

1026
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 3: us use AI in some way, shape or form of

1027
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 3: the course of our jobs and our workday makes things easier.

1028
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 3: But we know, like when the computers came to play,

1029
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 3: if you're a better around back then going oh, it's

1030
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 3: gonna make your job so much it's easy. You're gonna

1031
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 3: have all this time, and it doesn't you just get

1032
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 3: more work piled on you. I think the same thing

1033
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 3: is true with any technology. AI is no different, but

1034
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 3: this this one changes it because now you have to

1035
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 3: come and almost now I wouldn't say an expert in

1036
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 3: your field, but the bar has been been raised.

1037
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 2: What are you going to see? How how do you

1038
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 2: close that gap?

1039
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 3: I guess then between college graduates and that new workforce.

1040
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 1: Well, I don't even know if game change sums it up, Scott.

1041
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 1: I think we are an existential moment here because if

1042
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: you know, you have I always had a social contract.

1043
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 9: Right.

1044
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 1: You go to school, whether it's a four year degree

1045
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: or a two year degree, you graduate and as a result,

1046
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: you get a job and you work your way up

1047
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: to middle management and hopefully the top management. But if

1048
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: it is no bottom wrong at all, left, then what

1049
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: do you do? Why would you even want to go

1050
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: to school? Because you know we spend all the time

1051
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: and money, so what really needs to happen now is

1052
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: actually most focused on the universities and colleges and schools

1053
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: rather than the corporations. So you know, we've always taken

1054
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: our seniors and found positions for them. That's the social

1055
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: contract I spoke about, or if you're a junior or

1056
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: a sophomore, you find internships for them. Well, now I

1057
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: think you need to put the whole thing on its head.

1058
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: You need to start placing freshmen in companies. And what

1059
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: I mean by that is if the company itself can

1060
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: help with the college education cost, then the four years

1061
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: that the student spends there is focused on and ready

1062
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: for the second tier inside the company, not the entry level,

1063
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: which means universities have to completely rethink their strategy. I

1064
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: had two company presidents at my home this weekend and

1065
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: I floated this idea, and they said, that is a

1066
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: radical idea. That's the kind of stuff we should be doing,

1067
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: because we don't do anything. These four kids, they're not

1068
00:51:59,160 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: going to have a job.

1069
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 3: Is exactly what we've seen in the trade industry down

1070
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 3: at the other end in blue collar work, and that

1071
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 3: is companies going, hey, we don't have a talent. What

1072
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 3: we have to do is now they recruit them, pay

1073
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 3: for their school. Essentially, you guarantee they're going to work

1074
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 3: for us for a few years to kind of pay that.

1075
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 3: But we will educate them, train them our way, and

1076
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 3: we'll train that workforce. That's been going in the trades

1077
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 3: for quite some time. It sounds like that's the way

1078
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 3: colleges should be headed.

1079
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 1: That's exactly the way it should be headed. And by

1080
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 1: the way, companies have a vest of the interest because

1081
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,959
Speaker 1: it's the empty level positions that fill the middle level

1082
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: positions three, four, five years down the road. If you

1083
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: have nobody at the bottom rung, how are they going

1084
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Speaker 1: to fill those positions five years from now. So they

1085
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: will have interest, they will fund this, but universities need

1086
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: to take that first step. And by the way, high

1087
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: schools will also be involved. Just imagine a high school

1088
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: administrator he or she wants to face students in those

1089
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: colleges that do this, and not colleges that are waiting

1090
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 1: for four years to see if they can get the

1091
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: kid a job or not.

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Speaker 3: As a result, then imsh are we going to see

1093
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 3: colleges refine their curriculum so to speak, because let's face it,

1094
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 3: the first two years of college there's a lot of

1095
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 3: filler or the idea of you're becoming more well round

1096
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 3: the edge. You can't taking sociology classes and I'm taking

1097
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 3: psychology and all these electives and things.

1098
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Speaker 2: Is that going to go away? Is the knife, get sharpen.

1099
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, tongue in cheek, Scott. I think drinking

1100
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: beer in the first two years is going to be

1101
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: a past experience. I think what's going to need to

1102
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: happen is these students have come out of high school.

1103
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: Just like you pointed out what's been happening on the

1104
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: blue collar side, they need to jump head in and

1105
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 1: get experience of practical experience. We actually at company sites.

1106
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: So yes, the curriculum needs to change, not little dramatically.

1107
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: They have to in work the pyramid and start getting

1108
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Speaker 1: practical experience on day one.

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Speaker 3: Is that a lot to ask of an incoming college freshman,

1110
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 3: someone who maybe you know, seventy six teen, seventeen years

1111
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 3: old in some cases that essentially they have to figure

1112
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 3: out what they want to do four years later and

1113
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 3: later in their life and honing that and going okay, well,

1114
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,720
Speaker 3: I've got to make a commitment when I go to college.

1115
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 3: It's not about me figuring it out along the way

1116
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 3: and maybe changing and my major subtly here and there.

1117
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 3: I've got to commit to a company and an enterprise,

1118
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 3: which I don't know. I have no idea if this

1119
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 3: is what I want to do with my life. But

1120
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 3: that's a major commitment that changes the whole college dynamic

1121
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 3: as well.

1122
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Speaker 1: This is what I meant by existential Scott. Nobody is

1123
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: ready for this. You know you mentioned this is another technology.

1124
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: There's one massive difference with what we are calling technology here.

1125
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: This technologic reason has logic and is intelligent enough to think.

1126
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,720
Speaker 1: When you have something like that and you build agents

1127
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: that do that, thousands of them are going to be built.

1128
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Speaker 1: The good news is the kids in high school are

1129
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 1: already being exposed to this, So unlike you and I,

1130
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: I think you're going to start seeing a mature level

1131
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: in high school graduates, more than we've ever seen before.

1132
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: But there is going to take some time. It's going

1133
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 1: to be some lag between now and when we reached

1134
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: that maturity. So yes, I think we're going to see

1135
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: a blood bats, not just in entry level jobs, but

1136
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Speaker 1: in children and kids making decisions about careers they're not

1137
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: quite ready for.

1138
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 3: Are we going to see then as a result of this,

1139
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 3: that colleges become more selective, that fewer young people go

1140
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 3: to college because of what you're asking of them, That

1141
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 3: we're getting rid of general education requirements. And I mean,

1142
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 3: let's face it, if you're going to get an internship

1143
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 3: as a freshman or sophomore at a big company let's

1144
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 3: say Procter and Gamble here in Cincinnati. You don't have

1145
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 3: any marketable skills that are useful to them. There's a

1146
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 3: disconnect there. Are we just going to see colleges revert

1147
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 3: back to the brightest of the bright who wind up

1148
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 3: going there, as opposed to you know, trying to get

1149
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 3: as many young people to go to college as possible.

1150
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, part of this redesign has to be evaluating what

1151
00:55:54,320 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: students mean, what students can do, what the university needs

1152
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: to do in that particular company you mentioned Proctor and Gamble,

1153
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: So if you're looking if Parker and Gamble is looking

1154
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 1: for somebody to go enter the marketing function, then it

1155
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: falls on the university to determine which student is best

1156
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: suited for that. So Yes, as a result, Scott, I

1157
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: think universities and companies are going to become far more

1158
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: selective and that is going to cause a construction in

1159
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: the workforce. Again much any way you look at this

1160
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: is going to be a massive problem.

1161
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 3: Like like law school, for example, you know you will

1162
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 3: go they'll go and actively recruit the brightest of the bride.

1163
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 3: Will we start saying that with high school students where

1164
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 3: companies actually come in and go here's your you know,

1165
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 3: your top ten students, or there's a particular you are.

1166
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 3: They're actually scouting high school students to work for them

1167
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,439
Speaker 3: and will pay for your college along the way.

1168
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Speaker 2: Is that going to happen?

1169
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Speaker 1: Well, Look, a lot of what you and I are

1170
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: talking about is look into a crystal ball. Right. No,

1171
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: nobody is absolutely sure. But if you're asking me my opinion,

1172
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: I think that's exactly what's going to happen. Uh.

1173
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Speaker 3: He is Umesh Ramachra Shan. He is a co founder

1174
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 3: chief strate at Kingslegate there and a global executive firm

1175
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,720
Speaker 3: CEO C suite people and talk about the massive change

1176
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 3: here with AI coming along that entry level jobs largely

1177
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 3: as we know them in the workforce. We're talking about

1178
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 3: white collar work predominantly are gonna go away because companies

1179
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 3: are automating those tasks assigning to AI. Entry level employees

1180
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 3: aren't doing the basic bottom level stuff. They have to

1181
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 3: come in pretty hot. They're raising the bar for new

1182
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 3: graduates and they expect advanced skills on day one because

1183
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 3: the menial tasks are being done by AI, you better

1184
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 3: bring something in the table. This almost has to change

1185
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 3: high school, and it certainly changes what college looks like.

1186
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,439
Speaker 3: Where you're actually becoming an intern in a company your

1187
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 3: freshman year and the classes you take on. It's more

1188
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 3: specific to that occupation. The idea of figuring it out

1189
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 3: as you go to college. It's been dead for a

1190
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 3: while because of the costs zumash, but it's more so

1191
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 3: now because of the demand for your talent. So when

1192
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 3: you say real entry level work starting freshman year, are

1193
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 3: you talking is that a paid internship unpaid injured co

1194
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 3: ops entirely?

1195
00:57:58,640 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 2: Is it something different? What does that look like?

1196
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: Well, the way I see it, like I said, the

1197
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: company has a vested interest in this, right, I mean,

1198
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: they need to be filling these positions four or five

1199
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: years down the road. So they want the best in

1200
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: the brightest, and they want to train them in a

1201
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: specific way. Proctor Gamble may want one thing, but Kroger

1202
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: may want something else, and so the company, because of

1203
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: that reason, should they It's not a significant amount, a

1204
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: reasonable amount for that education. So I do believe they're.

1205
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 2: Going to see that interesting.

1206
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 3: So from your executive search perspect are companies that eliminate

1207
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 3: or over credential entry level of positions. Are they shooting

1208
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 3: themselves in the foot long term by not developing their

1209
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 3: own pipeline for talent?

1210
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: They absolutely are. You know, one of the things in

1211
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: our business is we talk to CEOs around the world

1212
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: every day, and I can tell you I haven't spoken

1213
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: to one CEO who's not concerned about this issue. And

1214
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: you know, sort of kicking the can down the road,

1215
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: right because right now, there's no problem. Right now, earnings

1216
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: are up, you're increasing productivity because you don't have anybody

1217
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: to hire at the bottom end. But everybody knows that

1218
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: that's going to just cause a problem three to four

1219
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: years from now.

1220
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Speaker 3: Well, with AI taking over the you know, the low

1221
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 3: level work, the road work that internships used to train for.

1222
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 3: You know, wasn't that also valuable for teaching them how

1223
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 3: to work in a workplace, you know, professional norms and

1224
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 3: work ethic and attention to detail, organizational culture. That's where

1225
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 3: you learn all that stuff and just to kind of

1226
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 3: do menial tasks. If that goes away, what does that

1227
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 3: do to that whole model?

1228
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: Then I don't think it goes away, Scott. I think

1229
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: actually it gets enhanced because if you're you know, we believe,

1230
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: which I agree with you, if internship's helped in that regard,

1231
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: imagine if you're doing this almost full time through college.

1232
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: You know, I envision a lot of these classes that

1233
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: we held on campus, not the university campus, but corporate campus.

1234
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: So you know, these kids coming out of high school

1235
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: are probably going to get exposed to things that you

1236
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: and I got exposed to maybe two three years graduating. Yeah,

1237
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: so I think that internship model is going to get

1238
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: expanded to a work study model in the not distant future.

1239
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 2: Is it over for the liberal arts degree programs?

1240
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny you bring that. I don't think so.

1241
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what to look like. But one of

1242
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: the biggest things that students need to focus on is

1243
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: critical thinking, and liberal arts is probably the best area

1244
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: in humanities in college where students developed that. How they

1245
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: developed that to control AI, I think still remains to

1246
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: be seen.

1247
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 2: Interesting.

1248
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, if you look across global markets where you

1249
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 3: place executives at your company omesh, are you seeing this

1250
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 3: crisis across Is it just America's across all countries, industries

1251
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 3: and sectors, or are there ones that are still having

1252
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 3: that traditional talent pipeline.

1253
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: I don't know a single sector or a single geography

1254
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: whether this is not a crisis in the making. No, again,

1255
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: if you look at it today through today's lens, there

1256
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: is no crisis. Companies actually enjoying that good profits because

1257
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: you know you're hiring fewer people with productivity is out.

1258
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: But anybody who's looking even through a lens of a

1259
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: two to three year in the future, it's not just

1260
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: a small crisis. Like I said, it's an existential one.

1261
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 2: So who's responsible for fixing this?

1262
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 3: You mentioned high school, you mentioned university's employers, at government,

1263
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 3: they all got to work together.

1264
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 2: I guess it's all of them.

1265
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: It's all of them, But I think it starts at

1266
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: the universities. I think universities need to see thisuly consider

1267
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: this because for them it's a business problem too, right.

1268
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: I mean, as soon as everybody's realizes that going to

1269
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: a college for four years and spending a large amount

1270
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:47,919
Speaker 1: of money is not going to end in a job,

1271
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: why would you want to go to college. You've got

1272
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 1: to change the budlem to attract the students, because we're

1273
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: talking about the likelihoods them for the rest of your life.

1274
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 2: Boy.

1275
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 3: You know, I mentioned the areas that be responsible for this,

1276
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 3: and it strikes me as universities dig their heels and

1277
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 3: resistance with everything in there might simply because it threatens

1278
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 3: the traditional learning model, and anything that threatens the past

1279
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 3: is a threat to the future. As a real concern

1280
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 3: for the future, I think you're going to see colleges.

1281
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 3: There's probably ones that won't submit to this, and they'll

1282
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 3: they'll probably perish at the because of those decisions.

1283
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: Would you agree two things will be cause that for

1284
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 1: them to either fear or arrogance. Fear because they don't

1285
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: know what to do, or arrogance. They will not impact

1286
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: us if they display either one of those two characteristics. Scott,

1287
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: I think they're finished, all right.

1288
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 2: So let's pivot then to this outside of universities. High school.

1289
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 2: What about mom and dad? What about kid? You have

1290
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 2: a younger child. Now, let's say, how are you preparing them.

1291
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: For all this? That is probably the toughest job being

1292
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: a parent of the toughest job to begin with, And

1293
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: now is you've been told suddenly, let's say you have

1294
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: a kid in high school. You have this plan in

1295
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 1: your head for the last you know, twelve fourteen, years.

1296
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: You even have a fight twenty nine going and now

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Speaker 1: you have to deal with this. You know, this is

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Speaker 1: outside my laying in terms of parent counseling, Scott, but

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Speaker 1: having been gone through it with my son, who is

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Speaker 1: now fortunately in the work place already and therefore a

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Speaker 1: little bit immune of this, I think that is the

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Speaker 1: biggest challenge is for parents in terms of how to

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Speaker 1: guide the children forward.

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Speaker 3: I have no idea how you'd on ramp down to

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Speaker 3: this and go, Okay, it's all going to change in

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Speaker 3: the next few years. And I don't know if that's

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Speaker 3: more core classes, more stamming, and depending what you want

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Speaker 3: to do, because now you're asking, hell, if you're a parent, listen,

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Speaker 3: this is going away a minute. You're telling me that

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Speaker 3: Now my you know, thirteen fourteen year old kid who

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Speaker 3: most days I got to scream at it because they're

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Speaker 3: missing the bus and you can't find their shoes in

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Speaker 3: the morning and everything, all of a sudden, they got

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Speaker 3: to decide what it does they want to do when

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Speaker 3: they're my age, Like, that's a tough ask.

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Speaker 1: It is an incredibly tough ask. Imagine asking a six

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Speaker 1: We need all to stud making decisions inside of a corporation.

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Speaker 1: I mean, some of these guys don't know what through

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Speaker 1: have a lunch. Yeah, yeah, we've all been to that.

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Speaker 1: So they're now making decisions. You know, this is not

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Speaker 1: going to be easy and there's going to be a

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Speaker 1: lot of upheaval. But it needs to start. I mean,

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Speaker 1: universities need to start planning to shift today.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But in mass well we because we don't like change

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Speaker 3: at all. And certainly universities are you know, they're held

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Speaker 3: in tradition and you have a legacy there, you have

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Speaker 3: tenured professors, you have unions. I just don't see that

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Speaker 3: happening until it becomes a crisis.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 3: Some might and pivot early and say, hey, listen, we

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Speaker 3: got to peel the bandit off and do this, but

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Speaker 3: I would suggest most wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Well, we've seen this to history though, right God, I

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Speaker 1: mean we all those we did love the horse and

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Speaker 1: buggy and you could have stuck with that and then

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Speaker 1: take you, you know, six days to get to New York.

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Speaker 1: So I think eventually people will see it. My fear

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Speaker 1: is that the strupture will happened before the realization. And

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Speaker 1: if that's the case, you know, all of us in

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Speaker 1: trouble all right.

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Speaker 3: He is the con founder and chief strategy officer at

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Speaker 3: Kingsley Gate. They're a global executive search firm. And it's

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Speaker 3: umesh Rama Krishnan in for Julie this morning on seven

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Speaker 3: hundred WLW.

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Speaker 2: Thanks again for joining. It was really informative.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Scott. I enjoyed the conversation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, appreciate it.

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Speaker 9: Man.

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Speaker 2: That's a wake up call right there. College.

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Speaker 3: As you we know, college is in crisis right now

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Speaker 3: and it's been crossed for a while. But this is

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Speaker 3: an absolute mind blowing proposition. Pretty exciting actually. So now

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Speaker 3: you can go look at your fourteen fifty year on going,

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Speaker 3: oh my god, how are we going to do this?

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Speaker 3: Good luck with that one. Let me get in this

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Speaker 3: update in and more to follow at Scott Sloan. I'll

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Speaker 3: talk to Michelle Schultz, trade attorney coming up about the

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Speaker 3: tariff refunds that may be coming due here depending what

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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court does. And in light of the President's

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Speaker 3: addressed tonight on all this and more, just add seven

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Speaker 3: hundred W O to Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to be an American? Seven hundred w WELW.

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Speaker 3: President is going to speak tonight at nine pm to

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Speaker 3: sell you on the economy, addressing what he calls the

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Speaker 3: affordability hoax and the promise he made on the trail

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Speaker 3: to reduce the cost of living from day one. As

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Speaker 3: he said, we know that's not going very well for

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Speaker 3: the president. You know what, you know, you go to

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Speaker 3: the store and you see the price of beef, You

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Speaker 3: see the price of many thing except gas. We're to

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Speaker 3: what four or five year low right now? Everything certainly

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Speaker 3: feels much higher. And you know that when you look

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Speaker 3: at your checkbook, your savings account at the end of

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Speaker 3: the month. Of course, adding to inflation would be the tariffs,

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Speaker 3: and the President's going to talk about that tonight. And

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Speaker 3: on it is trade attorney Michelle Schultz again on the

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Speaker 3: Scott's Loan Show.

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Speaker 2: Michelle, how are you good morning?

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Speaker 10: I have been busy.

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Speaker 2: I bet yes.

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Speaker 10: It's all tariffs, all the time, lots of change.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure the President is going to address a

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Speaker 3: lot of that tonight. And so we know the tarffs

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Speaker 3: brought in like close to a quarter trillion dollars so

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Speaker 3: far this calendar year. But companies like Costco and Bumblebee,

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Speaker 3: the tuna company Revlon, the makeup company ray Ban Sun

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Speaker 3: last as many others are getting in line because the

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Speaker 3: first person in line gets paid first. In the lawsuits

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Speaker 3: to lock down the billions of dollars they might be

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Speaker 3: out if the Supreme Court rules against President Truft's tariffs,

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Speaker 3: to begin with, So let's start there the likelihood that

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Speaker 3: that's going to happen.

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Speaker 2: What do you see the tea.

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Speaker 10: Leaves Well, I'd say fifty to fifty. You know, in

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Speaker 10: the beginning, I thought it was pretty likely that the

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Speaker 10: Supreme Court would strike down the tariffs because they expressed

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Speaker 10: so much skepticism during the initial hearings. But the more

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Speaker 10: I read, the more I follow the government's reactions, I'm

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Speaker 10: thinking it's possible it could go either way. So companies

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Speaker 10: like Costco, Revlon and the big guys have gone in

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Speaker 10: and they have petition for Customs to essentially be forced

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Speaker 10: to delay its final computations so that refunds would be quicker.

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Speaker 10: And we're due for the final liquidation of entries as

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Speaker 10: of Monday, so it's been kind of a race to

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Speaker 10: get to the front of the line. Who can get

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Speaker 10: to the front of the line and who can get

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Speaker 10: paid first. If we could keep Customs from finalizing its calculations, Unfortunately, Monday,

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Speaker 10: the Court of International Trade denied a consolidated motion for

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Speaker 10: this very thing. So it looks like, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Like one hundred and thirty billion dollars, I mean so

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Speaker 3: far that number is growing. Is what the refund would

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Speaker 3: be got. And the thing is the preemptive lawsuits coming

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Speaker 3: in to be paid as being liquidated by the government.

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Speaker 3: The Supreme Court rules against the TERRAF after liquidation occurs,

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Speaker 3: doesn't that create kind of a legal black hole where

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Speaker 3: companies can't get refunds even though they paid on constitutional tariffs.

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Speaker 2: How would that shake out?

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Speaker 10: That would be in my mind, it would be administratively

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Speaker 10: a mess. And I think that's what the DOJ was

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Speaker 10: concerned about when they last week they mentioned that, hey,

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Speaker 10: we've already been collecting about one hundred and thirty billion

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Speaker 10: in tariffs. I think if all that has to be refunded,

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Speaker 10: then it does have to be refunded, and there will

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Speaker 10: be a mechanism for refunds, such as protesting the liquidation

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Speaker 10: of customs entries. The problem is the time we're going

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Speaker 10: to have to go through a long process to get

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Speaker 10: that money back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and where does the money actually come from if

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Speaker 3: it's already been spent. I mean, I you know, he

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Speaker 3: has a list of I think there's like seven or

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Speaker 3: eight things on there. What he's going to do with

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Speaker 3: this money coming in from tariffs, including two thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: checks or taxpayers. All well and good, but if you

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Speaker 3: cut those checks, there's no getting it back. Where if

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Speaker 3: you spend some of that money, where's it going to

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Speaker 3: come from?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's a great question.

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Speaker 11: I don't know.

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Speaker 10: I think it would have to come from through customs

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Speaker 10: and border protection, but I don't know what funds they'd

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Speaker 10: pull it from. If the money's already been spent. It's

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Speaker 10: it's been It's long been the case that customs have

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Speaker 10: to provide refunds if someone overpaid. But wow, this is

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Speaker 10: on a grand scale. We're talking about billions and thousands

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Speaker 10: of companies. So I think it's legally the refunds will

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Speaker 10: be required, but it will be a process, and in

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Speaker 10: my experience requesting refunds, it's going to take.

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Speaker 5: A long time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we'll probably hear more of this tonight when

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Speaker 3: the President speaks at nine o'clock. But Trump promised to

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Speaker 3: use the tariff revenue for as I had to look

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Speaker 3: it up. Yeah, eight different purposes with the checks. There's

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Speaker 3: tax cuts, there's paying down debt, there's eliminating m TIMP

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Speaker 3: taxes in some groups.

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Speaker 2: And the list goes on and on and on.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I don't know, I does Congress have

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Speaker 3: to a created like any other revenue or does he

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Speaker 3: just start cutting checks himself. I mean, that's the other

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Speaker 3: question is how much authority has an executive branch versus

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Speaker 3: congressional park Congress. Congress, as we know under Republican control,

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Speaker 3: really doesn't want to do anything. They're happy with him

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Speaker 3: doing whatever he wants and doing very little as representatives

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Speaker 3: and senators. I wonder what happens in that regard exactly.

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Speaker 10: Yes, and under the constitution, Congress is the branch that

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Speaker 10: has authority over taxes and terrifts. Tariffs are attacked and

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Speaker 10: they're a tax on the US importer, So you know,

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Speaker 10: you'd think that Congress would have to weigh in on

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Speaker 10: this at some point if refunds are required. It's going

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Speaker 10: to be a combination, I think, of the executive branch

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Speaker 10: and then Congress, which as you mentioned, is just going

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Speaker 10: to probably support the executive bridge decisions, and then Customs.

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Speaker 10: So Customs is going to be swimming in paperwork.

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Speaker 3: I think yeah, doesn't mean for a smooth system. Michelle

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Speaker 3: Schultz on the shift, trade attorney, expert in the area

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Speaker 3: of tariffs and the like, and I'm sure your phone's

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Speaker 3: been ringing off the hook with all this stuff going

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Speaker 3: on from your clients. Tonight, the President is going to

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Speaker 3: talk at nine o'clock to sell us on the economy

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Speaker 3: and the affordability hoax, as he calls it. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: you go to the store, stuffs more expensive. I don't

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Speaker 3: know how that's a hoax. You know more than anyone

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01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,679
Speaker 3: your personal finances. If you're doing fine and you're above

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Speaker 3: water and have all extra dispense, it's probably not that

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01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 3: big a deal. But of course you get closer and

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Speaker 3: closer to the poverty line, or you just simply make

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Speaker 3: less money your middle class or lower. You know that

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Speaker 3: it's really expensive out there, say maybe energy and gasoline

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Speaker 3: right now. So he's gonna try and sell us on

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Speaker 3: that tonight. It should be interesting what he says. And

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Speaker 3: of course the other area of this thing is, Michelle,

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Speaker 3: you know this better than anybody. Are the terroriffs actually

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Speaker 3: working in a sense, because I mean, China just surpassed

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Speaker 3: a one trillion dollar trade surplus, which means they export

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Speaker 3: more than they import. If they export more than import

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Speaker 3: and that number is going up, that would indicate, at

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Speaker 3: least relative to China, the tariffs are not working.

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Speaker 10: Right right, Yes, relative to China, we can see that

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Speaker 10: the tariffs really aren't having the intended effect. China's actually

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Speaker 10: doing more business with other countries and they have found

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Speaker 10: that it's easier to what they called dump or sell

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01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 10: products below market to other countries rather than dealing with

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Speaker 10: US at this point. So you know, yeah, I think

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Speaker 10: the tariffs have resulted in difficulty for US importers, and

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Speaker 10: at the same time, China seems to be fine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't have the endent.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's other countries out there that are squeezing,

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Speaker 3: for sure, But I mean this was all set to

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Speaker 3: leverage China, and China's going, okay, we'll fine, We'll just

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01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,719
Speaker 3: go We'll just expand market share elsewhere and forget about

1511
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 3: you guys. But then, you know, if tariffs go away

1512
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 3: or we get the balance back, are those stations going

1513
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 3: to all of a sudden go hey, you know what,

1514
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 3: we are just going to go back to good old

1515
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 3: Maide In the USA, goods, you know, outside of maybe

1516
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 3: some core products. I don't see that happening because once

1517
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 3: you change change vendors, so to speak, it's difficult to

1518
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 3: get that business back, isn't it.

1519
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 10: Oh, Yes, very difficult. And I think there is a

1520
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 10: lot of sentiments regarding America that we're not reliable right now.

1521
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:23,600
Speaker 10: So I'm hearing that from the EU, from South America,

1522
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 10: from everywhere. And you'll see China is currently very successful

1523
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 10: in India, Brazil, Africa, you can look anywhere and they're

1524
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 10: doing well because they're playing the game right. I think

1525
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 10: that we are at a disadvantage at this point. Companies

1526
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 10: don't necessarily trust us because we may or may not

1527
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 10: go through with a transaction, or we may request christ changes.

1528
01:14:55,320 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 10: And even if we do buy something at the regular price,

1529
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 10: than the US company is losing profitability because they have

1530
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 10: to either increase their price to match the teriffs and

1531
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:13,639
Speaker 10: which are up to fifty percent or more, or they

1532
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 10: have to just do something else.

1533
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think Michelle on the terriff issue, I

1534
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 3: think there's a credibility problem here for Trump administration and

1535
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:24,759
Speaker 3: Republicans in a sense, because you know, the cry against

1536
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 3: the Affordable Care Act which is true. You know, we

1537
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 3: subsidize things in this country to the extreme, and it

1538
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 3: doesn't do anything to reduce and drive down the actual

1539
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:35,879
Speaker 3: cost of things. It's just simply a coupon. It's a voucher,

1540
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:37,679
Speaker 3: is what it is. To make it look to you

1541
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 3: and your family like, hey, healthcare is affordable, it's not.

1542
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:42,719
Speaker 3: It's it's out of control of the government's just taking

1543
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 3: money from a different pile and giving it to you

1544
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 3: to shut you the hell up so you can afford

1545
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 3: your healthcare insurance. And that is a legitimate bee for

1546
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 3: publicans have habit. It's one hundred percent accurate. However, when

1547
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:54,599
Speaker 3: you now have twice done that for farmers and bailed

1548
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 3: them out because in this case, because of teriffs where

1549
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 3: Ohio farmers lost about seventy six million dollars in exports

1550
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 3: to China, well overall the trade is down like seventeen billions.

1551
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 3: So the long story is we're bailing out farmers with

1552
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 3: twelve billion dollars. Unfortunately it's dwarfed by the seventeen billion

1553
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:14,679
Speaker 3: dollar loss in China trade to China loan. So we're

1554
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 3: essentially subsidying farmers for the tariffs. That doesn't make any

1555
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 3: sense at all.

1556
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 10: Yeah, it doesn't make sense. And we're still seeing with

1557
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 10: our clients that farmers are they have stop, they can't sell,

1558
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 10: they're jumping products, and even agricultural equipment is taking a

1559
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 10: huge hit because they can't afford to buy the new stuff.

1560
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 10: They're going to use their own equipment. It's really still

1561
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 10: impacting farmers and agriculture, you know, down to the individual

1562
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 10: and I think sending them a check for a couple

1563
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 10: thousand dollars is not really helpful.

1564
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:55,879
Speaker 3: No, no, no, you know it's again it's more subsidy.

1565
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 3: And on that too, farmers in the particular Ohio farmers.

1566
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 3: Basically there's a double whim there. There's higher cost from

1567
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 3: the import taxes and lost export revenue from retaliation from

1568
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 3: countries like China. So, from a trade law perspective, Michelle

1569
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,719
Speaker 3: schultz Weer, you're an expert in is the predictable outcome

1570
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 3: of the policy something the administration's legally required to consider

1571
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 3: before imposing those tariffs or other statues that can just

1572
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:21,599
Speaker 3: impose it without any economic impact analysis whatsoever.

1573
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:23,440
Speaker 2: It feels like the ladder's true.

1574
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 10: Yeah, I believe the ladder's true. Unfortunately, because so the

1575
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 10: tariffs that are the baseline tariffs. The reciprocal tariffs, those

1576
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 10: are the tariffs that are on virtually every country, and

1577
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 10: those were implemented under an emergency statue, as if a

1578
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 10: trade deficit or an emergency. So let's say the court

1579
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:48,560
Speaker 10: holds up those tariffs, they still have plenty of options

1580
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 10: for the US government to impose tariffs under other statutes

1581
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 10: like aluminium and steel, which are under a National Security statute.

1582
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 10: There's another statue that covers unfair trade practices, and none

1583
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 10: of this, None of these statutes really ask what's the

1584
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 10: impact on the importer in the United States state, They're

1585
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:13,480
Speaker 10: more focused on policy.

1586
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,919
Speaker 3: So the big picture of the takeaway here is American

1587
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 3: farmers are suffering because of those massive losses we talked.

1588
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 3: Big companies are lining up to sue for refunds, and

1589
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 3: the government collected almost a quarter trillion dollars but promised

1590
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 3: to spend it in eight different ways. So if you're

1591
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 3: advising someone whose business is import export and you have

1592
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 3: a global market here, what do you tell how are

1593
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 3: you tell them to navigate this chaos right now? And

1594
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:41,680
Speaker 3: do you think we'll ever have clarity in the next

1595
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,839
Speaker 3: few months on the legality of all this stuff.

1596
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 10: I think we will have clarity. So that's the light

1597
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 10: at the end of the tunnel. I'm hearing maybe beginning

1598
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 10: of twenty twenty six. Some folks have been saying before

1599
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 10: the end of twenty twenty five. I don't know that

1600
01:18:56,960 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 10: we'll have that much clarity then, and I don't think

1601
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 10: that all the tariffs will be cleared up. Many of

1602
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 10: them are going to continue, and there's not much of

1603
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 10: a path forward for the importer. So what we're doing

1604
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 10: is some importers will want to get in line, they

1605
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,680
Speaker 10: want to sue. On the other hand, the Court of

1606
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 10: International Trade is not willing to bind customs as far

1607
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 10: as its final calculations. They've denied a consolidated motion on

1608
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 10: Monday about by importers, So I think, you know, as

1609
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:36,560
Speaker 10: as it drags out, we continue to look at technicality.

1610
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 10: We've had importers that have been overpaying because they've been

1611
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 10: overvaluing their goods, and we follow the customs regulations very

1612
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 10: closely to determine if you're overvaluing, if you're paying a

1613
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 10: percent onto high a value, or maybe you're paying on

1614
01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 10: the wrong country of origins or the wrong yeah good.

1615
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 3: I don't know how you sort all this stuff out.

1616
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 3: I'll be honest, my head would explode her. How's your

1617
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:05,440
Speaker 3: head not exploding?

1618
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 10: It is good?

1619
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, good good. I just couldn't hear it for more.

1620
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:11,879
Speaker 3: Your Thank god you're in the phone, not in the studio.

1621
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 3: Are cleaning people are are overworked already. She has Michelle

1622
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 3: Schall's trade attorney on the show. I always love having

1623
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:21,760
Speaker 3: you on, Michelle, because you're you just simply cut right

1624
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 3: through it to help us figure out something complex is

1625
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 3: tariffs and what it all means. And if you don't

1626
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 3: know what it means, it should scare the hell out

1627
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 3: of the rest of us, that's for sure. You have

1628
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 3: a great day. Thanks again for coming on the show.

1629
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 10: You too, Thank you so much.

1630
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 2: Happy holiday, Yeahpy holdays Mary Christmas. Yeah. So it's a

1631
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 2: damnist party in power right tonight.

1632
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 3: The Republicans are today, actually I should say, they're gonna

1633
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 3: not vote for and include subsidies to continue the Obamacare

1634
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 3: for another couple of years.

1635
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 2: However, it is till they sort this out.

1636
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 3: And so yeah, you may feel like the rug's being

1637
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 3: pulled out under if you're one of the twenty two

1638
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 3: million Americans on it okay, good, because we don't want

1639
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 3: subcy Amen, subsidy is it's it's stupid. Then tonight at nine,

1640
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 3: President Trump will tell you why subsidies are good when

1641
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:08,799
Speaker 3: it comes to farmers and everything else. And two thousand

1642
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 3: dollars checks to Americans, isn't that subsidy? The answer would

1643
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 3: be yes, yes, it would be leadership. Where is it?

1644
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:20,720
Speaker 2: I don't I don't see it. I don't see it

1645
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 2: on the left, I don't see it on the right.

1646
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 2: I just don't see it. News on the way minutes

1647
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 2: here seven hundred w.

1648
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 1: DC.

1649
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 2: Well, let's probably a little bit of displaying go on.

1650
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure.

1651
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:51,440
Speaker 3: I thought Seg Dennison on the staff here at iHeart Cincinnati,

1652
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 3: was the most afraid of winter weather. And I have

1653
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 3: to apologize to my friend Seg because I was wrong

1654
01:21:56,800 --> 01:22:00,120
Speaker 3: about that. Sarah Lees is uh doing this from from

1655
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 3: her home instead of coming in STUDI because she's afraid

1656
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 3: of the snow that has since melted on the roadways

1657
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 3: and will not drive on roads it could possibly be

1658
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 3: icy at this time. I've never seen anyone afraid Sarah

1659
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 3: release of salt stained dry pavement. I understand when it's

1660
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 3: slippery up maybe, but the roads are fine. Why are

1661
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 3: you at home?

1662
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,799
Speaker 11: Well, if the Bengals would have cleared off their seats,

1663
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 11: we wouldn't have all the snow.

1664
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 5: Melting onto the banks and causing having.

1665
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:30,680
Speaker 2: Got it gets back to the Bengal the Bengals.

1666
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, the snow melts from the uncleared seats, goes down

1667
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:36,680
Speaker 3: down to the bottels of paycorps out, goes into the

1668
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 3: gutters and streets and flood Cincinnati with the tears of incompetence.

1669
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:43,640
Speaker 11: Yeah, I live a half mile away from downtown and

1670
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:46,599
Speaker 11: I'm in a flood right now. So that's why I'm

1671
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:47,680
Speaker 11: working from home this week.

1672
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 2: Gotcha, gotcha, You're floating away here.

1673
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 3: So it is a snort report this morning, Sarah Elise,

1674
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 3: I don't know if we've We don't often snort over

1675
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 3: the phone, but you may have to snort louder in

1676
01:22:57,200 --> 01:22:58,240
Speaker 3: order for it to come through.

1677
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 11: I think, you know what, there is a lot to

1678
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 11: snort about because things are so bad that you just

1679
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 11: have to keep laughing to like not go absolutely insane.

1680
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:14,759
Speaker 11: Over All of the Bengals drama is wanting after another

1681
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:19,679
Speaker 11: really is. And now you've got previous Bengals players calling

1682
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 11: out the league on social media. This comment is definitely

1683
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:25,719
Speaker 11: trending on social media.

1684
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:27,479
Speaker 1: Zach Moss.

1685
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:31,759
Speaker 11: He's telling people on Twitter that the Bengals are easily

1686
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 11: the worst franchise in sports.

1687
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:37,600
Speaker 5: Blooney, we got problems.

1688
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 2: We don't have problems.

1689
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:44,800
Speaker 3: What we have is what we have is consistency. What

1690
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 3: has changed in the last I don't know, thirty years.

1691
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:53,599
Speaker 3: It's the same cries about incompetent, mismanagement, penny pinching, being

1692
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:57,679
Speaker 3: tone deaf, not being responsive to the fan base. Nothing's changed,

1693
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 3: doesn't the fact that we just last week gave two

1694
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:02,640
Speaker 3: hundred and twelve billion dollars at the stadium.

1695
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:07,679
Speaker 11: Yeah, the big the Browns family, they're doing completely, They're.

1696
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 2: Totally zero, zero poops given.

1697
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 11: Jason Williams with the inquir he has this awesome article out.

1698
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 11: First of all, you got to read Jason Williams articles.

1699
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 11: He has no filter, and he put this article out,

1700
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 11: I believe this morning or late last night about how

1701
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 11: the Bengals ownership does not care about what any of

1702
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:33,639
Speaker 11: us have to say. They see your comments on Twitter,

1703
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 11: on Facebook, on Instagram, TikTok, and they're just gonna keep

1704
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 11: doing what they're doing.

1705
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 5: I mean, how can things change? Sloany just stop showing up.

1706
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 10: Well.

1707
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 3: And the idea is, if we're you know, we're calling

1708
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:49,640
Speaker 3: for We're calling for Zach Taylor, We're calling for the

1709
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:53,719
Speaker 3: ahead of Duke Tobin. H it doesn't it doesn't matter,

1710
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter who that it's above the head coach.

1711
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 2: Maybe there's something with Duke Tobin.

1712
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 3: But I would go, Okay, but is it because he

1713
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 3: doesn't have enough support, he doesn't have enough people around

1714
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:05,840
Speaker 3: him to help. He's doing too much by himself because

1715
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:08,799
Speaker 3: it's a woefully understaffed front office when it comes to scouting,

1716
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 3: on all the things that ensure you're gonna get good

1717
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 3: players or great players here in Cincinnati's opposed to a crapshoot.

1718
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 3: I would say, does it really matter if it's Bill Belichick?

1719
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 3: Does it matter if it's Bill Kauer? Does it matter

1720
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 3: who it is as the head coach. I would contend,

1721
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 3: it's the system in which that coach is thrust it.

1722
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 3: I mean, when he's got to answer the questions about

1723
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 3: snow removal, because no one in that front office.

1724
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 2: Will speak except for Zach Taylor.

1725
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 3: If I you know, being a fan of the team,

1726
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 3: I'm looking at going, well, there's no communications, so they

1727
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 3: don't actually care.

1728
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:43,639
Speaker 2: They're in pervious to criticism. It doesn't matter.

1729
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 11: Well, you just kind of take Marty Brennanan's advice. He

1730
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 11: was on with Tom Brennanan on Monday morning and he goes, look,

1731
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:57,920
Speaker 11: I've got one piece of advice for Bengals fans. He says, snowblowers,

1732
01:25:58,000 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 11: next time.

1733
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 3: Bringing your own shovel to pay Course Stadium.

1734
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:05,680
Speaker 11: That's h Look, I can't even get in with my

1735
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 11: little four by Fyclear bags, but I'll try to bring

1736
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 11: it so blowing.

1737
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:12,800
Speaker 3: And then like the ticket things were malfunctioning. It took

1738
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:14,639
Speaker 3: people an outward to get in, so they missed most

1739
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 3: of the first quarter at least.

1740
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:17,559
Speaker 2: It just it's just one.

1741
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 3: It's just one travesty and injustice staff together for the

1742
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 3: long suffering Bengal fans. And you know, if you're a

1743
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 3: season ticket older season tickelolders are not happy. The ones

1744
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:28,959
Speaker 3: I talked to are not happy at all because renewals

1745
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 3: are coming.

1746
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 2: They're like, hell no, and they shouldn't be.

1747
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 11: And this is when the sales staff are making their

1748
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:36,840
Speaker 11: calls and they're saying, hey, what are we doing about

1749
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:38,760
Speaker 11: twenty twenty six And it's like well, what are you

1750
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:40,639
Speaker 11: doing about twenty twenty six?

1751
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 1: Right?

1752
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 11: But I guess what had happened. Two of the gates

1753
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 11: were down for whatever reason. There are rumors out there

1754
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,760
Speaker 11: saying that some of the staff couldn't make it in

1755
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 11: because the roads were so bad.

1756
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 6: But I don't know.

1757
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 11: All of the fans seem to make it in and

1758
01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:56,679
Speaker 11: they were.

1759
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:57,559
Speaker 5: Just standing there.

1760
01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 11: For the entire staff, not freezing that they missed anything.

1761
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 11: I mean, the Bengals couldn't do anything in that game,

1762
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 11: which was really disappointing after what we had seen on

1763
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:09,559
Speaker 11: Things Giving night, after that really exciting win.

1764
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:10,680
Speaker 5: I just had higher.

1765
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:14,800
Speaker 11: Expectations for him, and especially with Joe Burrow. So now

1766
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 11: Joe Burrow is getting heckled. I don't know if you

1767
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 11: saw that. That's trending on social media too. There was

1768
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 11: an angry fan that was sitting in the front row

1769
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 11: of that game on Sunday decided to take off his

1770
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 11: Joe Burrow Jersey rose it onto the field and he's

1771
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 11: hackling home and it was so bad that Jamar Chase

1772
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 11: had to get into his face a little bit, like, hey,

1773
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 11: go home then if you don't want to be here,

1774
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 11: if you don't like it, go home and you know

1775
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 11: throughout a bunch of f bombs.

1776
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 3: Right, which is which is a great look for the team.

1777
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:44,640
Speaker 3: You don't like the bad product on the field and

1778
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 3: then get the hell out of here. That's just I mean,

1779
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:49,640
Speaker 3: I get he's defending his guy, but that just is

1780
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:51,760
Speaker 3: another bad look for a team that is full of

1781
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 3: bad looks at the fans.

1782
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 2: Right, you don't you don't do that. You have a

1783
01:27:59,200 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 2: reason to be upset.

1784
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:00,799
Speaker 5: Money.

1785
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 11: Yeah, they're spending the money on the tickets and the jerseys,

1786
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:06,479
Speaker 11: and they stumbled their way out of their homes to

1787
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 11: get there on Sunday and to sit in the five

1788
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:11,639
Speaker 11: degree stempts and watch a four and ten team. I mean,

1789
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:14,599
Speaker 11: it's just it did not get worse right now. And

1790
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:17,800
Speaker 11: Dak Taylor on Monday said, look, I know that this

1791
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 11: is the record and we're out of it three years

1792
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 11: in a row with no playoffs, but Joe Burrow is

1793
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 11: still going to play.

1794
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 5: So what do you think of that?

1795
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:28,759
Speaker 11: It's like, do we need to keep playing Joe Burrow

1796
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 11: for the final three games?

1797
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:31,559
Speaker 2: It's his job. You're going to tell him know if

1798
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:33,560
Speaker 2: he's healthy.

1799
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 11: I think you cannot tell Joe Burrow no to anything.

1800
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 11: I mean He's probably just happy to be back after

1801
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 11: that toe injury. This was just supposed to be his

1802
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:43,599
Speaker 11: game that he was coming back this weekend too in

1803
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 11: Miami when he had gotten hurt back in September. They

1804
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 11: said Miami would be his first game back.

1805
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 2: But obviously it doesn't matter. It's over.

1806
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter it's over yet again, So three straight

1807
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 3: seasons no playoffs to the Bengals who appeared there. And

1808
01:28:56,760 --> 01:29:00,080
Speaker 3: now you look at that playoff run and against the

1809
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 3: Rams in the super Bowl, and you know, blink of

1810
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:03,439
Speaker 3: an eye could have went the other way. Bengals were

1811
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:05,880
Speaker 3: on the verge of winning that game going down to

1812
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:06,559
Speaker 3: the last play.

1813
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 6: But again, but it doesn't matter.

1814
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 11: The Super Bowl was like twenty years ago at this point. Yeah,

1815
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:13,120
Speaker 11: I mean, you know, it doesn't matter.

1816
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 2: If my aunt had nuts, she'd be my uncle.

1817
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 3: I get it out of your mind. And so I

1818
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 3: look at this whole thing. I just don't think it's

1819
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 3: gonna get any better. There's no hope whatsoever for the Bengals.

1820
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 3: That was an aberration. Making it to the playoffs. Goes

1821
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:33,880
Speaker 3: to show you the parody of the NFL that even

1822
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:36,479
Speaker 3: bad teams and bad franchises have a chance of making

1823
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:38,679
Speaker 3: it to the super Bowl. It's not like we're building

1824
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 3: a dynasty here in Cincinnati. It's going in the other

1825
01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 3: direction at this point. And for all intents and purposes,

1826
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:46,160
Speaker 3: if I'm a fan of this team, which I am,

1827
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 3: the silence from the family from ownership is definite. They

1828
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,840
Speaker 3: often don't communicate. They aren't now they're saying, Hey, we're

1829
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 3: sticking with Zach, We're sticking with Duke Tobin. We're gonna

1830
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:58,599
Speaker 3: Most teams would have let him go and made changes

1831
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 3: after the loss last week. Not this club. They're going

1832
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 3: to double down on stupid.

1833
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1834
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:07,640
Speaker 11: The lack of communication is very loud and according to

1835
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:11,719
Speaker 11: speaking of Zach Taylor and his extension, according to Paul

1836
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 11: Dayner Junior of The Athletic he said that Zach Taylor

1837
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:17,760
Speaker 11: is under contract for the next two seasons.

1838
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 1: Yep.

1839
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 11: He says that the Bengals signed him to a second

1840
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 11: five year extension after their runs the AFT Championship game

1841
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 11: back in twenty twenty two. And he says, but the

1842
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:31,840
Speaker 11: Bengals never announced that second extension, which is why nobody

1843
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:34,440
Speaker 11: knows about it. So Paul Dayner Junior.

1844
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:36,679
Speaker 6: Just calling them out.

1845
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:39,600
Speaker 11: I love how everybody's just calling it all out just

1846
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 11: aaron the grievances.

1847
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the hope is left.

1848
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 3: I just wonder next season they're trying to sell season

1849
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 3: tickets to get people hyped for twenty twenty six. We'll

1850
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 3: have a healthy Joe Burrow. They didn't do anything in

1851
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 3: free agency. We'll see what happens in the offseason here.

1852
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:56,919
Speaker 3: Their draft picks have missed on most of them defensively speaking,

1853
01:30:58,040 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 3: I just wonder what help.

1854
01:30:59,240 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 5: We've got a draft?

1855
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:01,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because they're so good.

1856
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:04,600
Speaker 3: If everything stays the same, How many empty seats so

1857
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 3: you see next year at pay Corps.

1858
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:11,559
Speaker 2: I'd imagine that in the jumps. Are you sure are lots.

1859
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:12,640
Speaker 11: Of bags overheads?

1860
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:13,320
Speaker 5: It ain't good?

1861
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 11: And we want to happy Joe Burrow. I mean he

1862
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:17,599
Speaker 11: said last week, he goes, If I'm going to keep

1863
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:21,720
Speaker 11: doing this, I want to have fun doing it. I

1864
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 11: don't think Joe Burrow is having any fun right now.

1865
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 11: There's no way you can have fun.

1866
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 3: There's no way you could be having fun watching this

1867
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:30,400
Speaker 3: fall apart during the Guys Prime. How you can't make

1868
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 3: the playoffs with Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase and t Higgins

1869
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 3: is in Chase Brown for that matter, is beyond explanation.

1870
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:39,559
Speaker 3: When you have that powerful offense, you know how bad

1871
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 3: you got to suck on defense to miss the playoffs.

1872
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:45,040
Speaker 5: You got to get a whole new defense.

1873
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 2: Awful, awful, It's just awesome. To multi year project.

1874
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:48,519
Speaker 11: I know.

1875
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 3: Dan said, well, you may be able to fix this

1876
01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:53,559
Speaker 3: to the off season, not not as disinterested they are

1877
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:55,680
Speaker 3: and keep getting talented the same thing.

1878
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 2: There's no hope. There's no hope. By the way, do

1879
01:31:58,880 --> 01:31:59,640
Speaker 2: you know what today is?

1880
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:00,360
Speaker 1: The Sarah?

1881
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:03,840
Speaker 3: Do you know what today marks? Where were you so

1882
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:04,760
Speaker 3: thirty years ago?

1883
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 11: Nine days until opening Day?

1884
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 3: Hold on a second here, I have one more football

1885
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 3: related thing to get to before we get into this.

1886
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 2: Do you know what Okay, thirty years ago today, you

1887
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:16,719
Speaker 2: were where you were a senior in college?

1888
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:21,639
Speaker 5: Right, Wait on a second. Thirty years ago.

1889
01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:25,559
Speaker 11: Oh, I was at Fairfield South Elementary. That's where I

1890
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:26,760
Speaker 11: was thirty years ago.

1891
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:30,480
Speaker 3: All right, thirty years ago on this date, the Browns

1892
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:34,080
Speaker 3: played their last game in the state of Ohio and

1893
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:36,880
Speaker 3: moved to Baltimore thirty years ago today.

1894
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 2: How about that?

1895
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 5: Interesting?

1896
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:40,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, they became.

1897
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:42,760
Speaker 3: The Baltimore Ravens, and then Cleveland got a team and

1898
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:45,160
Speaker 3: well they probably just should have stayed away based on

1899
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 3: how they played since then up up in Cleveland today

1900
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:50,679
Speaker 3: thirty years and they played the Bengals in the final

1901
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 3: home game.

1902
01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:54,559
Speaker 11: Fun fuck you on that day.

1903
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:56,320
Speaker 2: Thirty years ago. I think it was still I was

1904
01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:56,839
Speaker 2: in school.

1905
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 5: Really yeah, it was. Aren't you closed to retirement or

1906
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:02,639
Speaker 5: what's going on?

1907
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:07,200
Speaker 2: Do you want me to retire? No, because I like

1908
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:08,920
Speaker 2: doing this day with you don't know, I don't know

1909
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 2: about that. Maybe you know what. This is the last one.

1910
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:13,120
Speaker 2: I think I'm done.

1911
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:16,760
Speaker 11: I'm well, actually this is our last snort report of

1912
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:20,160
Speaker 11: the year. It won't be back until what January whatever?

1913
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:21,240
Speaker 5: That is get me some.

1914
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:23,640
Speaker 2: Hope when it comes to sports snort lips.

1915
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:27,640
Speaker 11: Yeah, we got in ninety nine days until opening.

1916
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:29,120
Speaker 2: I got it.

1917
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 11: Versus Circle and February twenty first it was announced that's

1918
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:38,320
Speaker 11: gonna be the first spring training game and Sunny Arizona

1919
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 11: of course happening right there in Goodyear against the Guardians.

1920
01:33:43,439 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 5: Sunthing bone Tyl.

1921
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 2: The Red's looking for next season.

1922
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 11: Tw we're looking. You know what, if you just never

1923
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:52,479
Speaker 11: know what you're gonna get. Everything is always a surprise

1924
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:55,040
Speaker 11: with all of these teams. The other day they did

1925
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 11: announce their twenty twenty six Hall of Fame in Depth Pies.

1926
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:00,120
Speaker 11: One of my favorite players.

1927
01:33:59,880 --> 01:34:00,839
Speaker 5: Of all time. Brandon.

1928
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, that dude, Panela and Reggie Sanders so good

1929
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:05,760
Speaker 11: line up there.

1930
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love Brandon Phillips is hysterical.

1931
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:12,840
Speaker 11: Brandon Phillips is the player that really got me to

1932
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:15,920
Speaker 11: love the Reds. I mean, I was in high school

1933
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:19,360
Speaker 11: watching that guy and I don't know, he just he's

1934
01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:21,200
Speaker 11: honestly one of my favorite players of all time.

1935
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 2: I miss that dude.

1936
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:25,120
Speaker 3: The that Dude BP show when Seg would interview him

1937
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 3: in the dugout before Red Home came.

1938
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:28,559
Speaker 5: Oh how did that gets?

1939
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 2: So good? That was such good radio.

1940
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:33,000
Speaker 11: So good, really good.

1941
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:35,200
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it was so funny.

1942
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:38,200
Speaker 11: God, listen the sex questions player.

1943
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:41,200
Speaker 3: I don't know, but that I will say that that

1944
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:42,920
Speaker 3: that that's up there, Banana.

1945
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:43,040
Speaker 2: Phone to me.

1946
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:46,040
Speaker 11: We got it. We got to bring them back. So

1947
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 11: that's just going with our Reds of course, red going on.

1948
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:53,000
Speaker 2: That Dude BP. It's the that Dude BP show.

1949
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:56,440
Speaker 11: In the studio.

1950
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:59,559
Speaker 3: I had Brandon in studio and that was going on

1951
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:02,800
Speaker 3: for for the Winter Caravan, and he was in and

1952
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:05,519
Speaker 3: and he had heard never heard me talk like before,

1953
01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 3: and his.

1954
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 2: Eyes got massive. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, he's like he

1955
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 2: just started to laugh, so I hit. He's like I

1956
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 2: did the sega.

1957
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:19,439
Speaker 3: So we're with that, dude, be Pete Brandon Brandon, I mean,

1958
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:23,360
Speaker 3: you know, how what the the baseball the second for

1959
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:24,240
Speaker 3: or second ban?

1960
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:31,000
Speaker 2: So how long you've been black and oh mysh first.

1961
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:38,040
Speaker 3: Eyes got huge and he laughed for he was howling.

1962
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:41,080
Speaker 11: He is the best.

1963
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:43,720
Speaker 2: He loves that. He just loves all that stuff. I

1964
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 2: love me some brand Phillips. He was great, absolutely.

1965
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 5: Great, so definitely deserved. Yeah, they're going to do that

1966
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:56,959
Speaker 5: in April. So right, there's a little bit of the Yeah.

1967
01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:58,600
Speaker 3: One of the I would say, Brandon Phillips one of

1968
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:02,200
Speaker 3: the great all time Red personalities. And keep in mind,

1969
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 3: in my lifetime, which is long, you know, there's Pete

1970
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:05,960
Speaker 3: Rose and a whole.

1971
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:06,920
Speaker 2: Bunch of others.

1972
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:13,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, the little debbies, the debbies, right, we never knew

1973
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 5: what that meant. We thought it was.

1974
01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 3: One of the all time great Reds. If you had

1975
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:19,960
Speaker 3: a Reds Personality Hall of Fame, Brandon Phillips would be there.

1976
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:21,680
Speaker 5: Absolutely.

1977
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:23,639
Speaker 11: I feel like that's the last time that we were

1978
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:25,520
Speaker 11: like really cool.

1979
01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 3: You know exactly all right, more futility from the Bengals.

1980
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:30,679
Speaker 3: We'll see what the Reds have to offer.

1981
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:31,599
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1982
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:33,720
Speaker 3: Being a sports fan in Cincinnati is tough work. She's

1983
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:36,639
Speaker 3: Sarah Elise the Snort Report on this Wednesday morning. She's

1984
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:38,720
Speaker 3: back sometime first of the year. Then again, maybe not,

1985
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:41,840
Speaker 3: maybe the roads won't be icy. She can come and Sarah.

1986
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:45,920
Speaker 11: Lease flooded right now, like I said, flooded. Flooding from

1987
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:48,920
Speaker 11: Bakor Stadium, and it's my house is underwater.

1988
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:50,000
Speaker 5: So we got problems.

1989
01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:52,639
Speaker 11: You know why you got to wipe off those seats.

1990
01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:54,320
Speaker 3: Well, you know you could stay home and pretend you

1991
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:56,080
Speaker 3: I would just bring some snow in from the outside

1992
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:57,559
Speaker 3: and throw it on your couch and then sit there

1993
01:36:57,560 --> 01:36:58,559
Speaker 3: and pretend you're at the game.

1994
01:36:59,360 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 2: I could do that.

1995
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:03,200
Speaker 5: Nothing but wet butts and disappointment.

1996
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 2: Merry Christmas on Happy New Year. We'll talk next year.

1997
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:07,080
Speaker 5: You too, have a good one.

1998
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:09,400
Speaker 3: You too take care of Sloane here on the home

1999
01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:12,560
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