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Speaker 2: And uh we'll do that with the guests this afternoon

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Speaker 2: as well. Joe Daniman from Fox nineteen, we'll join us

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Speaker 2: at one o'clock. We've got a ton of Bengals news

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Speaker 2: that happened yesterday, from players being released, to players going

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Speaker 2: under the knife, to players going back into concussion protocol.

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Speaker 2: Games are being flexed, and yes, after a day to

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Speaker 2: harp on a loss, today we'll explain to you what

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Speaker 2: the pass forward looks like for an eight and nine

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Speaker 2: home playoff game for the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Wait, ye, this wasn't discussed before the show?

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Speaker 2: Yep?

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Speaker 3: Are you back on?

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Speaker 2: Well, no, I'm just in a b I'm in a

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Speaker 2: worse place today because of what just happened a few

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Speaker 2: second time, and I would say there, it is second

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Speaker 2: time in three days, Austin, and I've bought back in.

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Speaker 2: So what I did when that fourth quarter started in

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Speaker 2: the Bengals Bills game and the Bengals took that twenty

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Speaker 2: eight to eighteen lead with just under eight minutes left,

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Speaker 2: you know what I did? I bought back in. I said,

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Speaker 2: It was the first time, outside of just talking about

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Speaker 2: to go to that place. Man, this feels like a

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Speaker 2: playoff game. This feels like a heavyweight battle. This is

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Speaker 2: yesterday and came in today and ready to take the

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Speaker 2: next step, pick up the pieces. And then this Kyle

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Speaker 2: and not just random people, that's all with the Philadelphia

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Speaker 2: Choir talked about Kyle Schwarber coming to the Reds on

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Speaker 2: Nick cross comments, Barry Larkin's comments. Brad Doolittle on ESPN

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Speaker 2: dot com projected Kyle Schwarber to come to the Cincinnati Reds.

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Speaker 2: Our good friend Jeff Carr. I saw a post from

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Speaker 2: him earlier this morning, Maneff doing where Jeff was like, Man,

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Speaker 2: this feels different. It feels like it can happen. It

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Speaker 2: feels like Kyle Schwarber to the Cincinnati Reds. And you

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Speaker 2: know what I did again this morning, Austin, I allowed

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Speaker 2: myself to believe, and I should know better at my age,

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Speaker 2: how long I've been a Cincinnati sports fan, that these

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Speaker 2: things tend to just not happen. These things tend to

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Speaker 2: I went to pay a bet and a debt to

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Speaker 2: our good friend down the hall, Willy cutting him. Of course, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I've bet. I think the last four times i've bet Willie,

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Speaker 2: multiple bets with some hot fudge Sundays. And before I left,

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Speaker 2: And then I got back fifteen minutes later and you said,

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Speaker 2: And then you proceeded to tell me that the National

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Speaker 3: I made sure to make it the last thing I

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Speaker 3: and fifty million. You said really, I said, yeah, with

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Speaker 2: Here's the naive nature that I live in, at least

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Speaker 2: Last week Austin was ever really thinking about going anywhere

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Speaker 2: looking for. He gets thirty million per year, five years,

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Speaker 2: when he's done with that five year deal, he could

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Speaker 2: that's that's that's okay for Kyle Schwarber to do. I'm

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Speaker 3: I don't think anyone expects them to pivot in that way.

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Speaker 3: I also will say I think those guys have flaws,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you had fifty six home runs he did

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Speaker 2: hit two forty, yeah, and that would have been great

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Speaker 2: willing to go after him. Bregman, Where's he gonna play

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Speaker 3: original plan. Now, I'm not saying that's the right thing.

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Speaker 3: in the future. And the conversation, whether you like it

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Speaker 3: Nick Carl said it the other day. Our ownership group

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Speaker 2: Winter Meetings. Also happening more in Major League Baseball, Edwin Diaz,

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Speaker 2: the Los Angeles Dodgers. The rich continue to get richer.

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Speaker 2: How about the Tigers coming out and saying, Hey, there

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Speaker 2: are no untouchables on our team. You want to come

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Speaker 2: get tariq'skuball, come get them.

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Speaker 3: Would you rather be a Reds fan or a Tigers fan? Today?

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Speaker 3: You get the rug pulled out from underneath you about

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Speaker 3: Kyle Schwarber or your owner says, we know we're never

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Speaker 2: Probably on this day. The Reds, I don't know, Tigers

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Speaker 2: bye week about NFL contenders and pretenders. We'll also, after

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Speaker 2: out on today's show as well. The Heisman finalist have

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Speaker 2: Fernando Mendoza, Diego Pavia, Jeremiah Love, and Julian saying, those

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Speaker 4: Damn it.

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Speaker 3: You got me right there? You got me good right there?

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Speaker 2: Apparently, Uh, the forty four year old Philip Rivers workout

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. But damn that was funny. Good

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Speaker 3: Can I can't see you? So I don't know what

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Speaker 2: Yes, forty four year old Philip Rivers is working out

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Speaker 3: We always used to call them pill Rivers, and he's

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: Here's what I want to know. I want I want

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I think so. And then someone's like, you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's another perfect example of a guy like there had.

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Speaker 2: To be twenty names that were thrown out in this conference.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing. I'm good if man Rivers has

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Speaker 3: Let's say they sign him. The game plan's got to

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Speaker 2: Just I can't believe. I'm watching like Scott Van Pelt

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, yes. That gives me five years left.

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Speaker 2: I can exhaust all options. Absolutely. If I turn on

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Speaker 3: If I turn on a TV Philip Rivers Pro Football

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Speaker 2: I see Philip Rivers at four on Sunday warming up

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Speaker 3: I'm locked in for what?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 2: What a storyline that is? They know why Phillip's working

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Speaker 3: Do you think they called Brady? Oh had to have

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Speaker 2: That's what I want to know. I want to know

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to see see if I can pull up

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Speaker 2: And he was like, he was like fun and people

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Speaker 2: like were you drunk here?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, probably, I couldn't imagine.

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Speaker 2: Couldn't imagine trying to play that position drunk, Oh my gosh, no,

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Speaker 2: Ooh man, what a fun first segment today that started

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Speaker 3: And I feel like we didn't even get to all

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Speaker 2: No, Kyle Schwarber is a Philadelphia Philly. There's that.

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Speaker 3: Good for him. Man, We got plenty to go with

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Speaker 2: edition a little bit long in segment one, So we'll

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Speaker 2: dive into everything that happened with the Cincinnati Bengals just yesterday,

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Speaker 2: a very busy day for the Bengals yesterday. Before we

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Speaker 2: line here for a phone call. Mark is calling in.

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Speaker 4: What's up?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't get to call in yesterday.

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Speaker 5: The game Sunday, Uh, I saw two dumb decisions.

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Speaker 7: They had the lead and then he had Joe Flacco

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Speaker 7: still had to lead five minutes to go. You know,

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Speaker 7: how about a couple of running plays. And then the

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Speaker 7: other dumb decision was that ball looked like it was

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Speaker 7: slipping out of.

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Speaker 5: Burrow's game when he when he.

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Speaker 7: Tried to throw it, So you know, the great quarterbacks

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Speaker 7: would have just probably ate that ball.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, you either you either have to just

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Speaker 2: take it and give yourself up and fall down and

443
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Speaker 2: take a two yard loss, or you got to throw

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Speaker 2: the ball at at the defender's ankles. You know, one

445
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Speaker 2: of the two, you just gotta you gotta chalk it up.

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Speaker 2: And I guarantee Burrow, if he had the chance again

447
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Speaker 2: one hundred times, he would do that. It's just it's

448
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Speaker 2: one of those plays you kind of knew the whole

449
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Speaker 2: way it was going to end poorly. But yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: in agreement. So myj p rynd ran well five point

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Speaker 2: two of carrying just six carries, they only carried the

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Speaker 2: ball nineteen times, which was a little surprising because they

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Speaker 2: were leading pretty much the whole game. I thought maybe

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Speaker 2: they would run the ball a little more, but it

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Speaker 2: was hard because Burrow for three and a half quarters

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Speaker 2: played so well that you really didn't mind him dropping

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Speaker 2: back and throwing. But hindsight being what it is, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you could have handed the ball off a couple more times.

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Speaker 5: I mean, when is this coach going to realize that.

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Speaker 7: You can't close the game out running the ball? I mean,

461
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Speaker 7: he refuses to do that, and he keeps coming back

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Speaker 7: to bite him.

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Speaker 5: I just don't.

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Speaker 7: I just don't think he's ever going.

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Speaker 5: To learn that you need to run the ball to close.

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Speaker 7: The game out and he can still try to throw

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Speaker 7: it no matter who the.

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Speaker 5: Quarterback he is.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So that's the thing that frustrated me about it.

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Speaker 5: Uh And as far as Chaps, I'm outside. As far

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Speaker 5: as Kyle.

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Speaker 7: Schwolzer, did you really think the Reds were really getting

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Speaker 7: the home did you?

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Speaker 2: Hear? I mean that's the problem. I let myself believe

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Speaker 2: that they were for sure.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I never thought that was a possibility.

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Speaker 7: Todd, Okay, they cut Jermaine Burton yesterday, another wasted draft, hick.

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Speaker 7: So are we gonna Are we gonna stop drafting players

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Speaker 7: with character issues? That you got to take a chance off.

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Speaker 5: Are we gonna stop doing that now?

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Speaker 2: You would? You would think, Mark, I appreciate the phone

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Speaker 2: call man, Thank you. We're gonna dive into the Jermaine

483
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Speaker 2: Burton thing when we got back. When we get back,

484
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Speaker 2: it rings to me the comments that Nick Saban made

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Speaker 2: during the draft when Jermaine Burton was drafted and the

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Speaker 2: warning that he gave and and that warning that pretty

487
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Speaker 2: much came to fruition when it comes to Jermaine Burton.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about that and of all things Bengals. When

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Speaker 2: we returned what was a very busy Monday. Right here

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Speaker 9: Here's the one to oh bitch Warber swings.

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Speaker 4: The hammers is high in the air.

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Speaker 9: It is deep down the right field line of it's fair,

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Speaker 9: it's gone, and it is a fair ball.

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Speaker 4: Just inside the right field valvepowl.

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Speaker 9: That is a two run home run for Schwarber, his

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Speaker 9: forty second home run of the year, and that makes

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Speaker 9: it a four to one Phillies lead.

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Speaker 2: That's just mean, and it is mean because it has

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Speaker 2: to go as our win Schulers call the day. And

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Speaker 2: win Schulers does not mean. Win Schulers is everything you want.

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Speaker 2: And Christmas bottled up in the holiday season into one

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Speaker 2: four delicious cheese spreads.

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Speaker 3: Did we even offer Schwarber some wind Shulers.

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Speaker 2: Why not? They didn't meet the financial demands and they

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Speaker 2: didn't offer win Schulers to me the taste of the holidays.

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Speaker 2: Don't let your holiday party go without win Schulders. It

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Speaker 2: pairs well with anything any of their four flavors. Thanks

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Speaker 2: to Win Schulers if you missed it earlier. Kyle Schwarber

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Speaker 2: has signed a five year, one hundred and fifty million

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Speaker 2: dollar deal to go back to the Philadelphia.

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Speaker 3: But the Reds are not sitting on their hands to

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Speaker 3: the Reds have made to sign it.

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Speaker 2: Here we go.

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Speaker 3: Cincinnati has signed left hander Joel Valdez. Maybe Joel Valdez

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Speaker 3: to a minor league contract. Dez was selected by the

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Speaker 3: Reds in last year's minor league phase of the Rule

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Speaker 3: five draft. He posted a two point three four ERA

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Speaker 3: over fifty seven at a third innings between Double A

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Speaker 3: Chattanooga and TRIPAA Louisville last season. The battle four the

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Speaker 3: bullpen lefty rages on and Joel Valdez enters the conversation.

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Speaker 3: Take that teams playing chess financial flexibility.

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Speaker 2: Now that Schwarber is out of the Phillies are playing checkers.

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Speaker 2: Reds are like, watch this, watch this move. Speaking of moves,

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Speaker 2: plethra of moves happened yesterday as it relates to the

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals. Let's go through these, Austin, I think, in

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Speaker 2: the least surprising of any of the news yesterday, the

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Speaker 2: Dolphins Bengals game has been flexed from Sunday night football

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Speaker 2: to a one pm start. Yeah, probably the least surprising

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Speaker 2: of any of these.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was frustrating. I think there's a chance that

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Speaker 3: that game stays on Sunday night if the Bengals had

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Speaker 3: been in the Buffalo bill.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because of what the Dolphins are doing.

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Speaker 3: Because of what the Dolphins are doing, playing much better

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Speaker 3: football right now. But because you know the the ramifications

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Speaker 3: that you know, I think, most notably, this week's game

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Speaker 3: between the Bills and the Patriots could have on the

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Speaker 3: AFC playoffs. And if the Patriots win the AFC or

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Speaker 3: win the game over the Bills, they win the AFC East.

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Speaker 3: But if Buffalo wins, then both those teams Baltimore and

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Speaker 3: New England are fighting for their division, so they they

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Speaker 3: turn it over to the Patriots and the Ravens. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: other news o'clock in Miami, though after being here, might

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Speaker 3: take a little bit to get used to the former

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Speaker 3: third round draft pick from Alabama, a draft pick in

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Speaker 3: which Nick Saban on Draft Nights sat at the podium

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Speaker 3: and talked about some off the field and character issues.

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Speaker 3: That is Jermaine Burton. I have the audio if you

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Speaker 3: want to here. This is Nick Saban immediately after the

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Speaker 3: Bengals drafted his former wide receiver Jamaine Burton.

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Speaker 10: For you last year, is a tremendous competitive He's got

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Speaker 10: great quickness, He's got really good speed. He can come

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Speaker 10: in and out of a break, he can beat man

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Speaker 10: to man.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I really really like this guy.

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Speaker 10: The number one thing that he needs to do and

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Speaker 10: I think emotional maturity is the best way to say

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Speaker 10: it is, do the right things all the time.

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Speaker 5: He does the right things on the field.

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Speaker 10: He knows the importance of what he has to do

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Speaker 10: on the field. He wants to be a player, that's

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Speaker 10: all he thinks about yet. But you got to do

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Speaker 10: the right things in your life all the time so

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Speaker 10: that you can do the best things that you can

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Speaker 10: do on the field and be the best.

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Speaker 11: You can be.

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Speaker 2: I think that was a very nice way of saying

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Speaker 2: that he has some issues. Yep, those issues were never

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Speaker 2: able to be worked out for the Cincinnati Bengals. As

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Speaker 2: Mo put it yesterday, four catches on fourteen career targets

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Speaker 2: for Jermaine Burton. Jermaine Burton, despite Jamar Chase being suspended

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Speaker 2: for a game this year, despite T Higgins missing due

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Speaker 2: to injury, Jermaine Burton never even was active this year

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Speaker 2: for the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe you just said he had fourteen targets. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that seems like a lot. Yeah, I never would have

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Speaker 3: thought that.

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Speaker 2: Four catches, fourteen targets for the career for Jermaine Burton,

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Speaker 2: which in Cincinnati now comes to an end. As Zach

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Speaker 2: Taylor said yesterday the Bengals have officially released Jermaine Burton.

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts.

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Speaker 3: Wish it wouldn't have taken so long. What the hell

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Speaker 3: took so long? Was my initial thought. I talked about

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Speaker 3: it a little bit yesterday. I'm sure there was somebody

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Speaker 3: in the organization that was willing to be a little

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Speaker 3: bit more patient, but I feel like they had maybe

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Speaker 3: told him it's the last straw. You know, whatever happens next,

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Speaker 3: you get no more strikes. And it sounds like something

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Speaker 3: else happened between this week and then going to Buffalo

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Speaker 3: where he ended up getting suspended, and we don't know

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Speaker 3: what it is. Nobody's been able to say exactly what

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Speaker 3: it is, but clearly it was too much in the

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Speaker 3: Bengals are like, we're done with this.

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Speaker 2: Shortly after that was announced, it was announced that Trey

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Speaker 2: Hendrickson was going to be seeking a second opinion for

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Speaker 2: his injuries, the injuries that have now kind of just

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Speaker 2: carried on. The injuries were not as significant when they

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Speaker 2: first happened to put him on the injured list, yet

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Speaker 2: they've drug on. It's been very weird. We've talked about

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Speaker 2: this openly Austin with Trey Hendrickson and the unique nature

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Speaker 2: around every Monday press conference Zach Taylor pretty much shutting

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Speaker 2: the door on Trey Hendrickson. Well, the door is now

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Speaker 2: shut on Trey Hendrickson for the remainder of the year,

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Speaker 2: as he, after getting that second opinion, is going to

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Speaker 2: undergo a surgery that will likely end his season. The

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Speaker 2: question I have does it end the time in Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: officially for Trey Hendrickson?

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Speaker 3: I would guess yes. We'll have to get into over

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Speaker 3: the course of the offseason all the different options and

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Speaker 3: paths for the Bengals to take to fix their defense

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Speaker 3: and what ultimately is the best decision for the franchise.

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Speaker 3: One of those options would be to tag Trey Hendrickson

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Speaker 3: for a relatively affordable price for an edge rusher.

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Speaker 2: If they need that position. Still.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know if it's that as much as

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Speaker 3: if you can get a guy on that type of

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Speaker 3: money that increases his trade value tenfold. And so are

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Speaker 3: you willing to go back to anybody who had had

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Speaker 3: those conversations with you previously and said, Okay, well, now

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Speaker 3: he's healthy and he's cheap, Now will you give us

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Speaker 3: a third round pick for him? And maybe you're able

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Speaker 3: to get something like that, and the Bengals will find

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Speaker 3: a way to take another loser in the third round.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know. I would assume it's over. I

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Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprised if there is some sort of franchise

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Speaker 3: tag placed on him. But I think we've reached the

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Speaker 3: point where it's best for both sides to just move on.

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Speaker 2: Also, like I don't want another offseason distraction. You also,

636
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Speaker 2: if you're the Bengals, need to figure out Shamar Stewart.

637
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Speaker 2: You have a decision to make on Joseph Osai, who's

638
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: played much better down the stretch. A lot of things

639
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Speaker 2: are going to go into that decision around Trey Hendrickson,

640
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: but his season comes to a close, and then I

641
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Speaker 2: think the most pressing concern right now for the Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: Bengals revolves around t Higgins. T Higgins hit his head

643
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Speaker 2: on the turf multiple times against the Buffalo Bills, but

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Speaker 2: each time he cleared concussion test and got in the

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Speaker 2: game and finished out the game. He obviously had the

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Speaker 2: one handed catch at the end of the game. However,

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Speaker 2: Ben Baby reported that Higgins reported concussion like symptoms after

648
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Speaker 2: the game and is now back in concussion protocol, so

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Speaker 2: he was in the team's injury tent twice, cleared both checks,

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Speaker 2: he returned to the game. There's no concrete answer on

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Speaker 2: now his status against the Baltimore Ravens. Zach Taylor didn't

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Speaker 2: really provide up date. He's back in protocol, going to

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Speaker 2: go through it this week. I have a hard time

654
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: believing with his second concussion since week twelve that he

655
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 2: would play. But there's nothing concrete about that. But a

656
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 2: little bit concerning you saw the hits. You saw his

657
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 2: head hitting on the turf. Concussions have been an issue

658
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 2: for t Higgins and they now are an issue as

659
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 2: those symptoms carried on after the game as well.

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Speaker 3: He had that hit and he came back in the game,

661
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Speaker 3: and I was really surprised just way off the way

662
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 3: that he reacted to the first hit, and then I wondered, okay, well,

663
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 3: maybe he just kind of scared himself, like, oh crap,

664
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Speaker 3: I just hit my head again, And I think that's

665
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 3: what happened on the second one. So had a couple

666
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 3: of drops, went into the tent, came back, and then

667
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 3: initiated himself a second review to make sure he was okay,

668
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Speaker 3: and he passed again, So that in and of itself

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Speaker 3: would tell me if I'm T Higgins, I'm not all

670
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Speaker 3: the way there mentally to if I'm worried about Okay,

671
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 3: hold on, I need to get checked out again. Yeah,

672
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 3: then probably sets there, Yeah exactly. And then after the

673
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 3: game went to the Bengals trainers and said, hey, I'm

674
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 3: I'm still feeling this way. I think it's also important

675
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 3: to note that those tests are not done by the

676
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Speaker 3: Bengals trainers. Those are independent league people who put him

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Speaker 3: back into the game, or not put him back in

678
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 3: the game, but clear him to be able to go

679
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 3: back in the game. So, I mean, there was a

680
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 3: joint statement between the NFL and NFLPA that said everything

681
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 3: went as it's supposed to go, and he just felt,

682
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 3: you know, like he still had those symptoms after the game.

683
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Speaker 3: So I would be surprised if we see T Higgins

684
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Speaker 3: on Sunday against paulk You and me both to go

685
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 3: back to the Trey Henderson thing for a minute, do

686
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 3: you think it's a little weird that, now that the

687
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 3: Bengals are all but eliminated, that Trey decides I'm going

688
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: to have surgery. This whole thing from the start has

689
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 3: been weird to me. That was the first thing I thought.

690
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, now you're going to have surgery, and.

691
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Speaker 2: Now you go get the second opinion, or at some

692
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: point that the Bengals say, hey, look, we done all

693
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 2: we can do. You know, what do you want us

694
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: to do from this? Yeah? We have plenty more on

695
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bengals. We've got an AFC North path. I

696
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 2: guess we'll do that. What would be the fall out

697
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: if the bengals did miss the playoffs? Joe Burrow's need

698
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 2: for perfection? We got contenders and pretenders. We've got quarterback tiers,

699
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Speaker 2: We've got college hoops to discuss. Joe Daniman will join

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Speaker 2: us at one o'clock. We'll finish up our number one

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Speaker 2: with a few more of your phone calls. Next on

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Speaker 2: the Home of the Bengals. It's ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: Sports Station. Welcome back since the three sixty ESPN fifteen

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Speaker 2: thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Let's grab a couple of phone

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Speaker 2: calls before we get to Joe Daniman to round out

706
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Speaker 2: our number one. Mark has given us a call.

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Speaker 4: What's that? Mark?

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Speaker 12: Yes, Yes, I want to make a comment about Sharber College.

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Speaker 12: If you remember last year, and I can't think of

710
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 12: his name, the left handed pitcher that went from White

711
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 12: Sox to the Red Sox who was almost the best

712
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 12: pitcher in the American League. Las Yes, Crochet, Crochet. Sorry,

713
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,479
Speaker 12: I couldn't think of his name. Every time his name

714
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 12: was mentioned last year and they named the teams that

715
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 12: were interested in him, the Reds were always one of them.

716
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 12: The Reds were never getting him. The Reds were never

717
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 12: getting Kyle Schwarber. The Reds are never going to get

718
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Speaker 12: a big name player ever, ever, ever. As a diehard

719
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Speaker 12: Reds fans for I don't know how many years, seventy years,

720
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 12: at least seventy, They're never going to go anywhere with

721
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 12: this ownership. I mean, this is the reason this team stinks.

722
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 12: Making the playoffs last year was the worst thing could

723
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 12: have happened. They think they had a good season, they

724
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 12: think they have a good team.

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Speaker 8: They do not.

726
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Speaker 12: They have so many bad players on the steam and

727
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 12: they need so much improvement on each position, almost every position.

728
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 12: Every position has to be better. Go ahead, you want to.

729
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:10,439
Speaker 2: Say you're good, You're good.

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Speaker 12: No, I mean it's just a terrible team. Austin are

731
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 12: you there, Austin.

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Speaker 2: Right now, I'm here. I'm here.

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Speaker 12: Mark, Yes, do you remember me calling in last summer

734
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 12: on Sunday's wanting to trade of the pitcher? What's his name? Yes, Homer, Yeah, yeah,

735
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Speaker 12: Hunter Hunter Green. See when you get old, you can't

736
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 12: remember names. Anyway, every every Sunday I would call in

737
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Speaker 12: and have a different trade with Hunter Green. Are they

738
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 12: seriously looking to trade him? Or is this just talk too?

739
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 3: I think that's all tall.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

741
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 3: I think they might listen, but I don't think they

742
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 3: would seriously consider trading him.

743
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 12: Well, they need to because they need a hitter so bad.

744
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 12: All right, I'm gonna get off of here, Gonna close

745
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 12: with this comment that I've been wanting to make all seasons.

746
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 12: Oh boy, your boy, Joe, sure look good Sunday. Yes,

747
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 12: favorite game of the year are winning. They're not winning

748
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 12: the super Bowl this year, and they're not winning the

749
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 12: next year or the year after. Now, kick me off

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Speaker 12: the air, Mark.

751
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 3: Now, we have a lot of Marks that call in

752
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 3: and uh. I would have a conversation almost identical to

753
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 3: that with Mark and Louisville every Sunday afternoon, following usually

754
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 3: a Red's loss on the Extra Inning Show. Down the

755
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 3: hall on WLW. He is really just a breath of

756
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 3: fresh air, is Mark and Louisville. Yes, and he hates

757
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 3: the Bengals, which is funny. Fair fair, Let's go back

758
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 3: up to line.

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Speaker 6: What's up Mike, Hey, guys, enjoying the show today?

760
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Speaker 5: Thank you.

761
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 6: I just want to let you guys know, with Christmas

762
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 6: coming up, I'm going to a tough time right now,

763
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 6: and you're guys show and love show every day really

764
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 6: helps me get through the days. And I don't tell

765
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 6: you guys that I appreciate as much as I should

766
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 6: on how much I appreciate your show.

767
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: We thank you, Mike. We appreciate you.

768
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, we do appreciate you, man, Thank you.

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Speaker 6: We're breaking news. The Bengals Dolphins game has been flexed

770
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Speaker 6: to four a m. So people can watch.

771
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 5: The game and go to church.

772
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: I like it.

773
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 5: I like it.

774
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 6: Game going on. Herbert Herbert guts that game out last

775
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 6: night because I I think a lot of guys might

776
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 6: not have played. They probably could have got out of plane.

777
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 6: Uh if if they had wanted to. I would think,

778
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 6: what was that thing on his arm, Tony.

779
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 2: That little box, some type some type of just protective

780
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 2: cast that gives him enough flexibility that he can move

781
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 2: his fingers like he needs with his grip, but also

782
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 2: at the same time protect that that I would imagine

783
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: will open wound as much as possible.

784
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Speaker 6: Yeah, because you could tell at the end of the

785
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 6: game they were showing the back of his arm and

786
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 6: there was quite a bit of boy you were right

787
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Speaker 6: about how about yes, sorb we honeying. Really, I know

788
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 6: you guys are having fun with it, but we knew

789
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 6: Shorber wouldn't come in here.

790
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wonder how much there was ever any interest

791
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: in how much it was just Kyle Schwarbur and his

792
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: agency saying, Okay, if we if we position this the

793
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 2: correct way, we could probably get more money. Yeah.

794
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 6: I think you're exactly right on that.

795
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 14: Yeah, why not?

796
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 6: Why not because there's no way. Yeah, that's just the

797
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 6: way to do it. You just put some extra pressure

798
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 6: on the other teams and Bingo, especially the team he's

799
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,479
Speaker 6: already listening. I must like it, and Tilly he must

800
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 6: like it in Philadelphia well enough. Plus he knows he's

801
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 6: on a team that has a chance to get a ring.

802
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 2: So, like I said, if he likes it in Cincinnati

803
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 2: that much, when his five year deals up, he can

804
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: move back here and retire.

805
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, or or they could maybe get him when he

806
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 6: files for early Social Security at sixty two and picking

807
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 6: him up for less than what you guys.

808
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 2: Philip Rivers is working out at forty four, swar will

809
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: still be in his prime.

810
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 3: Yeah. But by the way, it just it was just

811
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 3: made official. Philip Rivers is signing.

812
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: We Go Baby.

813
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 6: That is unbelievable. That's the last team he played for,

814
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 6: wasn't it. Yeah, you're not joking of.

815
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 4: No, I'm not.

816
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 3: That's being reported by Adam Schefter and others.

817
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 2: Right, I guess I don't have to go to Indy today,

818
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: then I guess that's off the table.

819
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, yes, yeah, Well he's got like fifteen kids, you

820
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 6: know he needs the money. Oh my god, he does

821
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 6: have like nine or.

822
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 2: Ten kids, right, he does, he does.

823
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 6: It's unbelievable. Hey, I got a scheming question for you.

824
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 6: So when a team gets in the red zone, it

825
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 6: does is it impossible for defense to play zone or

826
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 6: is it impossible for a defense to play zone in

827
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 6: the lower red zone from ten yards in it.

828
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 2: You'll actually see more teams play zone in the reds

829
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 2: unless you get to the low red zone, then a

830
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 2: lot of teams are going to go man. But the

831
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 2: red zone, with the field being shrunk, if you're able

832
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: to drop seven or even drop eight, there's just a

833
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 2: lot of zones you can eat up. Because the field

834
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 2: is shrunk, you don't have to worry about the deep

835
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 2: shot anymore. You can shrink that down. More teams in

836
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: the red zone will go zone. But once you get

837
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 2: to the lower red zone, then you see a lot

838
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: of man demand where they're going to bring more pressure.

839
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 6: So in the lower red zone you're just not enough room.

840
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, okay, But.

841
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 6: As a quarterback, then would you rather face the zone?

842
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 2: Well, I guess man, But yeah, zone, you're gonna get

843
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 2: more time, Mike, I appreciate you, man, Yeah, thank you.

844
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 6: Guys.

845
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 2: Yes, I have a good one. We will get to

846
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: the rest of our phone calls. We've got all time

847
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 2: in the world an hour number three, So in between

848
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: two and three, we'll take more of your phone calls

849
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Speaker 2: for now. Joe Daniman stands by to join us next

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Speaker 2: on the Home of the Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. It is our number two. We've got Joe

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Speaker 2: Daniman from Fox nineteen joining us in just a few

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00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 2: moments to talk a little Reds. We can talk a

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Speaker 2: little bit Bengals. But before any of that, Austin, it's

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00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: always good when we get taken care of in the

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Speaker 2: studio here, you know what I mean, Yes, it is.

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Speaker 2: And food drops are one of my favorite things, and

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Speaker 2: we just happen to have one from the Montgomery in

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Speaker 2: boat House. Now. I don't want to start family drama

867
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Speaker 2: because you know, I like both Montgomery and locations, but

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Speaker 2: the Boathouse has taken care of us quite a couple

869
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 2: of times. Here.

870
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 15: Tom's always on vacation. Tom is on vacation. This is

871
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 15: our busiest time of the year. My brother Tom has

872
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 15: been on vacation for the last two weeks. Yeah, we

873
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 15: don't know when he's coming back. It's unbelievable. I've been

874
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 15: trying to train him for forty years.

875
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 2: Taking time. Yeah, yeah, thinking time to figure things out. Uh,

876
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 2: you have brought some some food for us today, some

877
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: some pulled pork, some ribs, and uh as nice as

878
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 2: that is. You guys are also taking care of folks

879
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 2: around the holidays as well, because I don't know if

880
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: many folks know this, because they think of Montgomery and

881
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 2: you think of dinner or big time occasions. You guys

882
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 2: are also open for lunch now as.

883
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 15: Well, open for lunch through the holidays all the way

884
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 15: up to the twenty third, So I hope you'll come

885
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 15: down and see it's it's a great place to celebrate,

886
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 15: take your take your clients out, take your staff out

887
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 15: for lunch.

888
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 4: Whatever.

889
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,479
Speaker 2: We'd love to see you. How big of a time

890
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: is it this year for holiday get togethers? In party?

891
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: You guys completely booked for those through the holidays.

892
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 15: All the rooms are booked about every day, plenty of

893
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 15: room in the main dining room. So I hope you

894
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 15: come on down. What time, luck, What time are you

895
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 15: guys opening? We open at eleven o'clock for lunch, and

896
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 15: we serve continuously all day long until until nine thirty

897
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 15: every night.

898
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: Man is there anything better than the holiday season Montgomery

899
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: in We love it.

900
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 15: It's just a great time. Everybody's happy. Everybody's having a

901
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 15: great time.

902
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 2: Now will your brother will Tom be back and time

903
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: for Christmas? We have no idea. He just goes what

904
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 2: we're gonna do with him? He just goes, yeah. I mean,

905
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 2: so there's a boat house in Montgumm, it's just self

906
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: self run. Now. He's got a good crew up there.

907
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 15: He's got he's got a good crew, so they're probably

908
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 15: better off when he's not there.

909
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: Absolutely any any specials anything like that you guys are

910
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 2: running during the holiday season.

911
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 15: What we have our one hundred dollars gift cards on

912
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 15: sale for eighty dollars. Cool, best deal in town.

913
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: So go for lunch yep, grab a gift card yep,

914
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 2: and save twenty bucks. Absolutely doesn't get any better on

915
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 2: that Christmas shopping done. It does not get any better

916
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 2: than that, sir. You guys are are obviously a staple

917
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: in this city. And uh and we're very appreciative of

918
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 2: this and and what you guys do uh here with

919
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 2: us as well. But uh, thank you for hopping in.

920
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 2: Thank you for opening the doors of lunch, Thank you

921
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 2: for having the last time you were in I told

922
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 2: you I'm gonna get my family down there. Yep, I'm

923
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 2: still waiting. I've yet to do so, Austin, I told

924
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: them during the break. It's not because of lack of

925
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 2: wanting to. It's just at times, can I get a

926
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,959
Speaker 2: babysitter to take the kids down? Oh? Babysit? You guys

927
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 2: come down at eat Oh there you go.

928
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 3: Kids that can't say no to that?

929
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: All right, you guy? You guys just got a daycare.

930
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 2: You're opening up at the boat House. I'll do it

931
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 2: for you for sure. That's three of them, not just one.

932
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 2: I got them. I can handle them. Don't worry.

933
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 15: Awesome, thank you so much for coming by, Tony, God

934
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 15: bless you. Thank you for having me.

935
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 2: You have a holiday, great holiday season. Uh now through

936
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 2: December twenty third, Montgomery in the boat House. And we've

937
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 2: not been able to get a hold of Tom. But

938
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 2: are they doing that in Montgomery as well? Alright, eleven am.

939
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: You don't like Tom. Now's a good time to go

940
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 2: out there. The time to go eleven am. They open

941
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 2: up Montgomery and Montgomery location are down at the boat House,

942
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 2: and uh it is it's more than worth while thank

943
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: you for stopping by. Thanks, we appreciate you. We'll take

944
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 2: our quick break. We'll come back Joe Danaman, Fox nineteen.

945
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: We'll talk some Bengals and Reds next on ESPN fifteen

946
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 2: thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Welcome back since e three sixty.

947
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Let's dive right into it.

948
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 2: Our Tuesday guest bump back a couple of minutes. Well,

949
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 2: let's face it, we receive free Montgomery In. So Danaman

950
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 2: had to wait. I feel like I haven't talked to

951
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 2: Danaman in months. Yeah, because of the last couple of Tuesdays,

952
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 2: I've been out. But Danaman has joining us now from

953
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 2: Fox nineteen, Joey d what's going on.

954
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 8: Hie Pike?

955
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 4: How are you?

956
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 2: I'm good? How are you?

957
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 8: Let me ask you a question about eating Montgomery In?

958
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 5: Sure?

959
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 8: Now, my wife will not go to Montgomery In with

960
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 8: me because when I get a full slab of rip,

961
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 8: I won't stop maybe eating to clean my hands and

962
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 8: clean my face, because what's the point. Sure, I'm I'm

963
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 8: of the school that you eat the entire slab before

964
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 8: you start to clean, Otherwise you're going to go fifteen

965
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 8: napkins about twenty seven wet wipes. So why not just

966
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 8: wait until the very end and create a big mouth

967
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 8: of wet wipes and napkins when you're dute.

968
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: So you're with me on that, I'm with you.

969
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 4: Now.

970
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 2: I'll lick the fingers a couple of times, but I'm not.

971
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 2: I'm not bringing the wet nap the wet wipes out

972
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: every time I pick up the ribs.

973
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 8: It's anti licking of the finger guy.

974
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 3: But like, do you not take a drink of anything

975
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 3: or do you put your your grubby paws on the

976
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 3: on the glass.

977
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 8: Well, you're using the bottom of your palms then to

978
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 8: get your drink, right, you know, you're dripping it there

979
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 8: and drinking that way, not to use the fingers.

980
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: That's well said, well said.

981
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,919
Speaker 3: I think we should put like a bucket of water,

982
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 3: you know, like you do with them, you know they

983
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 3: do with water colors instep and just you know, going

984
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 3: there and do that. I think that would I mean,

985
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 3: it makes sense, doesn't it. I mean, I think Dean's

986
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 3: still out there. I can run out there and ask

987
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 3: him real quick. I see if he'll incorporate that.

988
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 2: Okay, that was in your opinion, Joe was the Kyle

989
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 2: Schwarb or anything that actually had traction. I caught myself

990
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 2: buying in earlier. Today, I'm like, all right, there's enough

991
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 2: out there. This seems like it could be real. I

992
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 2: also think that there's an element to it where if

993
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: you're Kyle Schwarber, it's probably smart to lead on in

994
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 2: a way like that, for Philly to say, okay, we

995
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 2: will give you a fifth year, we'll bump this up

996
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 2: a little bit more. Did it ever feel like an actual,

997
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 2: realistic possibility for you.

998
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 8: That's why I was always skeptical. And I go back

999
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 8: to even interviewing him in the summer when the Phillies

1000
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 8: came to town and we asked him a couple of

1001
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 8: questions about coming to Cincinnati. And I'm not saying he

1002
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 8: was disingenuous, but you think about a guy who was

1003
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 8: playing the long game of planting those seeds, even back

1004
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 8: at the All Star Game, when he came to Cincinnati,

1005
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 8: and when he visited Middletown a couple of weeks ago,

1006
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 8: just to go out there and say, you know what,

1007
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 8: it would be a cool thing. Young Kyle Schwarber always

1008
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 8: dreamed of playing for the Reds and that bumps up.

1009
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 8: Maybe the Phillies offered just a little bit. So I

1010
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 8: can't really speak from his end on how much interest

1011
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 8: there was or if he was using that as smoke

1012
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 8: to get more money from the Phillies, But I can

1013
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 8: say with all sincerity, the Reds made a realistic run

1014
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 8: to try to get him. And when I say realistic,

1015
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 8: obviously there were limitations. They were never going to be

1016
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 8: able to reach the amount of money that Philadelphia ultimately

1017
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 8: gave him. But when it came to getting creative with

1018
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 8: the deal and being flexible and wanting to use deferred

1019
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 8: money and being willing to trade players to make the

1020
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 8: mass work, Yeah, the red saw an opportunity here to

1021
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 8: sell steeps, to sell tickets, and to get a guy

1022
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 8: in here who could be a big difference maker for

1023
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 8: the team on the field and inside the clubhouse. Now

1024
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 8: the question is how do they pivot? Because if they

1025
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 8: were willing to go out and get creative and do

1026
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 8: everything they could to try to get Kyle Schwarber, does

1027
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 8: that then open the door for them to look at

1028
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 8: other free agents, at least free agents on his tier.

1029
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 8: I doubt it. It kind of felt like a rare

1030
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 8: opportunity of a guy, maybe taking a bit of a

1031
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 8: hometown discount, maybe making an exception in the red payroll

1032
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 8: and financial plan to bring a guy like him in here.

1033
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 8: So I don't know if they're going to pivot to

1034
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 8: a Satan tier, but certainly I think their interest was

1035
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 8: real for the Reds, and I think they actually did

1036
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 8: make a pretty darn good effort to get him. It

1037
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 8: just was the Phillies are a great team, and they

1038
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 8: have a lot of money, and at the end that one.

1039
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 2: Out switch gears to the Cincinnati Bengals. It was a

1040
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 2: very Newsworthy day yesterday. Can you rate these three from

1041
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 2: least to most surprising? Jermaine Burton has been released, Trey

1042
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 2: Hendrickson's going to have surgery now, and the Dolphins Bengals

1043
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 2: game was flexed at a prime.

1044
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 8: Time, So least surprising would be Jermaine Burton. I don't

1045
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 8: know what took fourteen weeks, yeah, for this team to

1046
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 8: finally cut bait and say we need to move on

1047
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 8: from this guy. I will put number two at flex.

1048
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 8: I think we all saw that coming for multiple weeks.

1049
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 8: Even though Devenglos are now very interesting to watch with

1050
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 8: Joe Burrow back and all of a sudden, the Dolphins

1051
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 8: are a playoff contender who were as hot as anybody

1052
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 8: in the AFC right now, and then Trey Hendrickson. It

1053
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 8: just kind of felt like it was getting to this point. Certainly,

1054
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 8: no one knew if it was going to get to surgery,

1055
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 8: but we all kind of had an inkling in our

1056
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 8: head that perhaps Trey Hendrickson's time in Cincinnati was over

1057
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 8: and that he wouldn't take another snap for the Bengals.

1058
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 8: And it feels that way unless some kind of a

1059
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 8: miracle run happens and they can extend this season by

1060
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 8: two months, and that feels about as likely as Lloyd

1061
00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 8: Christmas and you're telling me there's a chance, Yeah, I

1062
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 8: would rank them leads surprised Jermaine Burton, then Flex and

1063
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,760
Speaker 8: then Trey Hendrickson. And it's a difficult thing with Trey Hendrickson,

1064
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 8: right because it feels like in sports people pick sides.

1065
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 8: And it felt like the pendulum swung a little bit

1066
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 8: with Trey Hendrickson and the way things worked out with

1067
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 8: the contract and the holdout and him not being here

1068
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 8: at training camp, and then it swung again when he

1069
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 8: was mysteriously out. We never knew exactly what the injury was,

1070
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 8: and then finally it ultimately gets to this point and

1071
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 8: I'm just curious how his time will be remembered in

1072
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 8: Cincinnati if he ultimately doesn't come back here next year.

1073
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 2: So the time in Cincinnati, they do have the option

1074
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 2: to franchise tag him again. When you look at the

1075
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:49,240
Speaker 2: current roster at defensive end, Shamar Stewart is an unknown,

1076
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 2: Miles Murphy has played better, josepho size in a contract year.

1077
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 2: Is there is there any path out there that you

1078
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 2: do see the Bengals trying to franchise tag him and

1079
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 2: whether that's tag him to play again next year or

1080
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 2: tag him to make it easier to trade, is that

1081
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 2: a viable option?

1082
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 8: I mean, you talk about leverage that Kyle Schwarmer had,

1083
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 8: Imagine the leverage that Trey Hendrickson ye would have looking

1084
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 8: at this roster, and I think if you look at

1085
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 8: Sjamar Stewart, Miles Murphy, Joseph Aside that that certainly can't

1086
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 8: be your top three defensive ends going into a season

1087
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 8: and you expect to be a Super Bowl contending team.

1088
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 8: Those guys might be rotational players, they might be solid pros,

1089
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 8: but if you need a difference maker as a defensive end,

1090
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 8: none of those three guys has shown they can be

1091
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 8: a consistent chaos creator in the backfield. And the Bengals

1092
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 8: had that with Trey Henderson, and when they had that,

1093
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 8: they were at their absolute best defensively. But if you're

1094
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 8: looking at this from the Bengals perspective on Trey Hendrickson,

1095
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 8: even though he poisoned the water, so to speak, and

1096
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 8: maybe this was Trey Hendrickson's play to upset ownership enough

1097
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 8: that they just wanted to get rid of him, wipe

1098
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 8: their hands clean, and let him go in the off season.

1099
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:09,280
Speaker 8: If you have an asset like Trey Hendrickson, it's hard

1100
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 8: to let him walk out the door without tagging him

1101
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 8: with the idea of trading him. Now, you would get

1102
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 8: a compensatory pick if you didn't do that. That's a

1103
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 8: very important factor here. But if I were looking at

1104
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 8: the guy just as an asset, I would think the

1105
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,919
Speaker 8: best business decision moved to make for the Bengals would

1106
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 8: be to tag him with the idea of trading him.

1107
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 8: But they just found out this season that maybe the

1108
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 8: trade market for Trey Hendrickson isn't as good as they

1109
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 8: thought it would be, and now he's coming off what's

1110
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 8: pretty major surgery. When you're talking about a core muscle

1111
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 8: surgery that would keep him out for a month and

1112
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 8: a half, what's the trademarket going to be for a

1113
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 8: guy that's his age coming off that surgery and has

1114
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 8: proven he can be kind of difficult to work with,

1115
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 8: and you don't want to get stuck paying whatever the

1116
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 8: price will be for Trey Hendrickson and then not have

1117
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 8: a trade partner.

1118
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 2: The feel around this team, Joe, in your opinion, because

1119
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 2: it felt and I thought they took that ten point

1120
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 2: lead in the fourth quarter against Buffalo, like, man, they

1121
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 2: can do this, that they can make this run and

1122
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:15,919
Speaker 2: then to have it fall apart in a way that's

1123
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 2: all too familiar this year, the third and fifteen scramble

1124
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 2: from Josh Allen, which put the final nail in the coffin.

1125
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 2: From just a team standpoint, from just a vibe standpoint, Joe,

1126
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 2: where do you feel like this team is right now

1127
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 2: with four games remaining, but dealing with such a blow.

1128
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 8: On Sunday, It's the most what could have been feeling

1129
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 8: inside that room that I've felt for the Cincinnati Bengalis

1130
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 8: because what we saw Sunday was it. I mean, they're

1131
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 8: the Bangles are holding the Bill to eighteen points midway

1132
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 8: through the fourth quarter, Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase and T

1133
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 8: Higgins look like their elite selves, and you say to yourself,

1134
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 8: oh my gosh, the James Cook fumble. This is what

1135
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 8: it felt like toenty twenty one. In twenty twenty two

1136
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 8: that when the Bengals needed a play. I thought back

1137
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 8: immediately when James Cook fumbled to the Von Bell Ramandre

1138
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 8: Stevenson fumble inside the five yard vine against New England Patriots,

1139
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 8: and those kinds of feelings where it just felt like

1140
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 8: the Bengals were always going to find a way to

1141
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 8: get a win, even when it felt like they deserve

1142
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 8: to lose a game. And it felt that way on

1143
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 8: Sunday in Buffalo against there should be playoff team in December.

1144
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 8: The Bengals are going to come here and do this

1145
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 8: and already being pointed at as kind of the eight team,

1146
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 8: the dangerous team again in the AFC North. Now that

1147
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 8: talk outside of the Cincinnati from all the national talking

1148
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 8: heads is going to get even louder, and the Bengals

1149
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 8: might do this. They might grab momentum and then you

1150
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 8: just realize in twenty twenty five, the defense just can't

1151
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 8: get stops when they absolutely have to have them. And that,

1152
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 8: to me was my worry before the game. I figured

1153
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 8: it would be a four quarter game. I figured the

1154
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 8: Bengals would have a chance to win the game in

1155
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 8: the fourth quarter, But could they get that one or

1156
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 8: two stops they have to get and they couldn't do it. Yeah,

1157
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 8: And it's epitomized by third and fifteen. Third and fifteen,

1158
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 8: and no one has eyes on the quarterback running free

1159
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 8: for twenty yards in a game stealing play.

1160
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 2: The quarterback Josh Allen, by the way, not Philip Rivers.

1161
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 8: Yees right, we all know everybody knows, okay, Josh Allen's

1162
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 8: either going to take a safe pass here in a

1163
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 8: completion to keep the clock rolling, or he's going to

1164
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 8: be looking to run to keep the clock rolling and

1165
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 8: try to get it first down. And it's a lack

1166
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 8: of instincts right on the defense. That's gonna be the

1167
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 8: biggest thing. We can talk about talent and coaching and whatever,

1168
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 8: but there is a lack of instincts from too many

1169
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 8: players on this defense. And you saw it on that

1170
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 8: play on.

1171
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 2: The offensive side. Of the ball. I was surprised how

1172
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 2: many folks I had in my mentions talking about Joe Burrow.

1173
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 2: Let them down. This is Joe Burrow. Losses on Joe Burrow.

1174
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 2: He made a bad play. I think if he gets

1175
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 2: that snap cleanly, he can change arm angles and he

1176
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 2: made the right read in my opinion, just made a

1177
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 2: bad play. Sho should have ate it or should have

1178
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 2: thrown the ball away. He didn't. The next play. That's

1179
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 2: a fluke thing where a defensive lineman gets his hand

1180
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 2: on the ball, but it drove into me. Over the

1181
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 2: last couple of days, Joe Joe Burrow essentially has to

1182
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 2: play perfect football for this team to have a chance

1183
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 2: to win. And I can't imagine how stressful and frustrating

1184
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 2: that would be as a player to have that feeling

1185
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 2: every single game.

1186
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 8: And he said that publicly before that he has to

1187
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 8: play damn near perfect for this team to win games,

1188
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 8: and especially with this defense in twenty twenty five, and yes,

1189
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 8: that has to be It has to be frustrating. And

1190
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 8: you think about where Joe Burrow is now. He turns

1191
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 8: twenty nine, if I'm not mistaken, in the next couple

1192
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 8: of days, and so we're talking about a quarterback who

1193
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 8: next year turns thirty years old, and when we talk

1194
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 8: about the window all the time with Joe Burrow, and

1195
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 8: the window is not closed, and he's got so much

1196
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 8: good football left in him, but he's not getting younger,

1197
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 8: and it's another year wasted of a quarterback who can

1198
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 8: do what he did on Sunday against Josh Allen and

1199
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 8: the Buffalo Bills. The Bills came into that game guys

1200
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 8: right number one in the NFL in pass defense, giving

1201
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 8: up one hundred and sixty yards per game, and Joe

1202
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 8: Burrow threw for two hundred and eighty yards and four

1203
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 8: touchdowns against the Buffalo Bills. They scored thirty four points.

1204
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 8: I mean, how hard must it be for a quarterback

1205
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 8: who throws for these kinds of numbers, who throws for

1206
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 8: this many touchdowns, and the team just keeps losing games,

1207
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 8: And it's just like us watching the team. It has

1208
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 8: to be even harder for him being on the team,

1209
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 8: looking around the room, watching what they are on defense

1210
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 8: and wondering what is there to show for for a

1211
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 8: team who knew what they had to fix, who zeroed

1212
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 8: in on the defense in the off season, changing the

1213
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 8: coordinator all the draft picks, adding a free agent or

1214
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 8: two that that haven't been real difference makers this year?

1215
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 8: What is there to show for for all that change?

1216
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 8: And if you're Joe Burrow, that's got to be the

1217
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 8: scariest thing going forward. Sure, any quarterback and Patrick Mahons

1218
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 8: might not make the playoffs this year. You're not going

1219
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 8: to make the playoffs every single year, and at some

1220
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 8: point you just have to kind of eat a season

1221
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 8: and hope your team sees the mistakes that they have

1222
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 8: and the shortcomings they have and fix those holes. And

1223
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 8: the Kansas City Chiefs will. The problem is the Bengals

1224
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 8: have had multiple off seasons to look at the holes,

1225
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 8: find their shortcomings and haven't been able to fix them yet.

1226
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 8: So if you're Joe Burrow, how frustrating must that be

1227
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 8: to think about next year? Okay, they spend all this

1228
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 8: time in the off season, all this capital in the draft,

1229
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 8: and the change is minimal for the Bengals right now,

1230
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 8: that has to be frustrated.

1231
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 3: It's a big positive though on offense has been the

1232
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 3: offensive line. I mean they're playing as good as the

1233
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 3: Bengals offensive line has played in like ten years. How

1234
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 3: do you explain that? Turnaround and have they done anything

1235
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 3: different or is it just reps have equalled better performance.

1236
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 8: I certainly think the fact that they settled in on

1237
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 8: Dalton Reisner being that guy has really helped this team

1238
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 8: in this offensive line gel And sometimes you look back

1239
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 8: at the guys life Orlando Brown and Ted Kris who

1240
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 8: midseason had really bad performances. Sometimes it's a wake up

1241
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 8: call and they just played better football because of it.

1242
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 8: But certainly the fact that Dalton Reisner has come in

1243
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 8: and stabilized that position has helped this team a lot.

1244
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 8: They're running the ball better, they're protecting the quarterback better,

1245
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 8: and when you do that with all these weapons. Right now,

1246
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 8: the Bengals are putting up all these points. I don't

1247
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 8: even know what they're averaging with Joe Burrow as quarterback,

1248
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 8: But when you score thirty four in Buffalo and you

1249
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:00,439
Speaker 8: score a number of points that this teammate, this team

1250
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 8: has scored even with Joe Flacco. Going back to Flacco,

1251
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 8: and that was the one thing we talked about when

1252
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 8: he got traded for here in Cincinnati's how are you

1253
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 8: going to protect a quarterback who can't move with this

1254
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 8: offensive line? And they've answered the belt and good on them.

1255
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 8: But again, when you look at this team, it's offense

1256
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 8: is never the problem. It almost always seems and it

1257
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 8: always points back to a defense to me that just

1258
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 8: lacks instincts, that that lacks playmakers. And right now it's

1259
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 8: obviously dragging a season down to the point where they

1260
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 8: face elimination in week fifteen.

1261
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 2: Going forward, for this team, you mentioned facing elimination, and

1262
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 2: I know that the door is still slightly open. Do

1263
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 2: you change how you handle the final games on the

1264
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 2: schedule if you are officially eliminated from playoff contention? Or

1265
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 2: do you play every game on the schedule the same

1266
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 2: way going out?

1267
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 8: Is this you hinting that possibly.

1268
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 2: Not playing Joe Burrow that would be it?

1269
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 8: Yes, No, I've come around to understanding what Joe is about.

1270
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 8: And you know, we can talk here about protecting a

1271
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 8: quarterback from himself and putting himself in harm's way, and

1272
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 8: the so many questions this organization has in the off season.

1273
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 8: So the one question they don't need to add that

1274
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 8: mountain is their quarterback health. But if Joe is built

1275
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 8: and wired one way to play football, he is dead

1276
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 8: now multiple times. It's what I love to do, It's

1277
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 8: what I get paid to do and he wants to

1278
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 8: put on a show, and people will push back that

1279
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 8: athletes are entertainers, and yeah, I get that, But if

1280
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 8: he's paid to put on a show and he wants

1281
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 8: to put on a show, let the man cook. Let

1282
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 8: him do what he wants to do. Now, if you

1283
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 8: get the week eighteen and he's healthy and it means

1284
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 8: absolutely nothing, it's the final game of the season, certainly

1285
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 8: you might bring him out a little bit earlier, just

1286
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 8: just to protect him. But we still have four games left.

1287
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 4: And you know.

1288
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 8: How NFL coaches and NFL players are wired to win.

1289
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 8: This is the business they're in. They're in the business

1290
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 8: of winning games, even if it doesn't mean anything to

1291
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 8: playoff contention. I just look back to the game against

1292
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 8: Miami when they almost lost Joe Burrow. That's just what

1293
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 8: NFL coaches and players do. They're wired to try to win.

1294
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Speaker 8: And if Joe wants to play, I think he's going

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01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 8: to and I'm on board with it now. I wasn't

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01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 8: a few weeks ago, but the way he's played, the

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Speaker 8: way he's talked about it has changed my opinion and

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Speaker 8: I'm looking forward to watching what he does here the

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Speaker 8: next few weeks.

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Speaker 2: I always look forward to what you have coming up

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Speaker 2: over the next couple of weeks. I'm more interested in

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Speaker 2: what you have coming up this week. Tell us more

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01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 2: about anything Fox nineteen's got going on.

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Speaker 8: Still waiting for this Sincy three to sixty night at

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01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 8: Bengals Now still waiting or Austin and Tony to show

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Speaker 8: up to our show live tomorrow night, Wednesday night, Newport

1307
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 8: on the Levee at six o'clock. Miles Murphy will be

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Speaker 8: one of our guests. We are working on a second guest.

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Speaker 8: Keep locked to my socials for that announcement tomorrow. As

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01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 8: we go inside the bank was the locker room and

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01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 8: beg players with a four to nine record to make

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01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 8: public appearances in front of their fans. It's an Olympic event.

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01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 8: You know how funny this is. I don't want to

1314
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 8: give away too much and peel the curtain back, but

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01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 8: you should see. Guys like Evan McPherson gets the biggest

1316
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,639
Speaker 8: kick out of watching the Fox nineteen crew go around

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01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 8: the locker room trying to find guests for this show.

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Speaker 3: I would imagine you got a no from Trey Hendrickson.

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01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 8: Trey Henderson's agent actually send us an email a few

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01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 8: months ago saying that Trey would like to be on

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01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 8: the show. I said, are you sure about that?

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01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 6: Are you really sure about that?

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01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,639
Speaker 8: But we've tried to get We tried to get Sean

1324
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 8: Clifford recently and Sean couldn't make it for whatever reason.

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01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 8: And Evan's like, man, that's tough. Jar Rapple says to him.

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01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,520
Speaker 8: He's like, we can't even get the third string quarterback

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01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 8: and Evan goes, no, no, no, he's the fourth drift.

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Speaker 2: Well that's to keep trying, keep trying, Danaman, We appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Have a great rest of your week. Thank you. Joe

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01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 2: Daniman from Fox nineteen. This is since he three sixty.

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01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 2: Your talkbacks next, Oh goodness. ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station.

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Speaker 2: Do you owe ten thousand dollars or more to the irs?

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Speaker 14: Like Joe talkbacks, Press the microphone and record your message

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01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 14: for Austin in tone, Please keep it.

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01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 4: Clean and don't be mean.

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01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't be me and.

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01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,879
Speaker 4: A sprinkle sprinkled drip drips.

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01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 2: It's that time.

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01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 14: But talkbacks, it's our favorite tarter since three sixty, So Austin, buddy,

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01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 14: play those bunkbacks on your screen.

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01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:05,600
Speaker 2: Please try not to sabotage, dude, dude, no sabotaging for

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01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:06,640
Speaker 2: today's talkbacks.

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Speaker 3: Something that's that's interesting about the Philip Rivers thing. JJ Watt,

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01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 3: who I believe has the Colts game. Oh, he said, Uh,

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01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,600
Speaker 3: fun fact learned in production meetings. Philip Rivers ran the

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01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 3: same offense as the Colts for his son Gunner's high

1347
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 3: school team this year. Oh, he said. He and Shane

1348
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 3: Stiken spoke weakly about it, discussing plays and even film,

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01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:34,719
Speaker 3: So clearly there's already some familiarity there. So Phil Rivers

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01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:38,520
Speaker 3: three under yard, three tugs. Yeah you're saying.

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Speaker 2: No, Now, I wouldn't put it past him.

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Speaker 16: Okay, So I'm assuming you guys have heard of the

1353
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 16: hippocraticos For those who have not, it's the oath all

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01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 16: doctors take where they swear to do no harm for

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01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 16: the patient. I'm also assuming the professional that assessed t

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01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 16: higgins neurological status during the game was a medical doctor.

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01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 2: Now, how that hell did that doctor clear him during

1358
01:10:58,240 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 2: the game when he's.

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01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 16: Clearly rad and he had just gotten out of concussion protocol,

1360
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 16: and then after the game he fails concussion protocol and

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01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 16: he's back in it is.

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Speaker 2: It is mind bobbing the Dodgers putting their license on

1363
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 2: the line. Something stinks, guys.

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01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 3: It is a surreal situation. It is completely understand.

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Speaker 17: Hey, fellas, I would like to say a little piece

1366
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 17: on Trey Hendrickson here. He got paid, he jaked the

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01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 17: season and then he ft the Bengals.

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Speaker 2: In the ah wow.

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Speaker 17: Other NFL teams see this, and he's played his last

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Speaker 17: game in the league.

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Speaker 14: This is an excuseable get out of here you want.

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Speaker 18: He's a guard, hey Fellas, it's nam coming out of retirement.

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01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 18: Had to weigh in on yesterday's talkbacks. Listen, Tony, I

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01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 18: get it, man, It's not Joe Burrow's fault. But we've

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01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 18: seen this before. Last year against the Chiefs, Man, we

1376
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 18: had a ball in the lead and Joe Burrow fumbles.

1377
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 18: Last year against the Baltimore Ravens, we have the ball

1378
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:57,480
Speaker 18: in the lead and Joe Burrow throws an interception.

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01:11:57,960 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 3: What are we doing, man?

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01:11:59,240 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 8: I play with.

1381
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 2: Thank you, Ffty.

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01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:09,440
Speaker 19: Pick one the better defender, the eleven man Bengals defense

1383
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:14,839
Speaker 19: or the one piece of ammunition in the shirt pocket

1384
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:18,640
Speaker 19: of Deputy Barney five protecting Mayberry.

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Speaker 20: Why come on, Hi, this is Mark with personal Loan Underwriting,

1386
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 20: and I was just calling to let you know that

1387
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 20: you've been approved for your previous loan request up to

1388
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Speaker 20: fifty seven thousand dollars. Just give us a call back

1389
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 20: at five one, three seven nine fifteen thirty with your

1390
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Speaker 20: social Security number and we'll get you taken care of.

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01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:44,919
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, savior.

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01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 21: Fans are adorable with your eight thousand days since well

1393
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 21: here's the number. It's been two hundred and sixty one

1394
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 21: days since your old lady left you for another man.

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01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 3: Oh bugget gosh, sick could finish that one.

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01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:02,679
Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 14: Isn't this a fun Tuesday in Cincinnati sports?

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01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 22: Glad we have you guys. Thanks Happy Tuesday.

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01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 23: The sad thing for me about Burton is if they'd

1400
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 23: have spent five minutes talking to Kirby Smarter Nick Saban,

1401
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:21,679
Speaker 23: they never would have drafted the guy. They let whosh

1402
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:25,840
Speaker 23: overrun that whole decision making process. And Zach pounding on

1403
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 23: the table after that third round pick is gonna haun.

1404
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 2: Us for years.

1405
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 3: I'll never forget that video.

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01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 2: Who's so fired up? They were ready, man, they were.

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01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 22: Marcus from the groove.

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01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 2: I just don't know.

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01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:45,560
Speaker 13: Why in this city this great city where we have Skyline,

1410
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 13: Penn Station Sancy shirts with their great Great T shirts

1411
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 13: and ideas the best sports talk show radio. Why can't

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01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:00,599
Speaker 13: we have anything nice when it comes from sports.

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01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:02,599
Speaker 22: I just don't get it.

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01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 3: We did get the Kelly Cup back in two thousand

1415
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 3: and eight, Breach.

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01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 2: Quick doubled dip.

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Speaker 23: If Schwarber were from Montana, nobody in the fan base

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01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 23: would have gotten so wound up on this. The fact

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01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 23: that he was from Middletown has no bearing on whether

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01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,600
Speaker 23: the Reds are going to open their wallets or not.

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01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 3: I think it did though. I think that was part

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01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:25,719
Speaker 3: of it. Yeah, which which is maybe part of the problem.

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01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 3: Like if it took a guy from here to even

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01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 3: consider it, then that's an issue. But I do think

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01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 3: it played a role.

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Speaker 24: I know everybody's kind of mad that the Reds missed

1427
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 24: down on Kyle Schwarber, but I think this is a

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01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 24: big opportunity for Nick Crawl. I'm not going to underestimate

1429
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 24: his ability to find the next injury riddled utility player

1430
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 24: that we're going to hope as a bounce back season.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good point. Who do they go with that?

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01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 25: Good question? Just because I'm curious. So if Philip Rivers

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01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 25: was to work out, and they hired him and he

1434
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 25: started on Sunday against Seattle or whatever. Would he then

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01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 25: be disqualified from the Hall of Fame ballot because isn't

1436
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 25: there supposed to be like a five year waiting period

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01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 25: in between playing and nomination or something. I don't know, thoughts.

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Speaker 3: I think he has to take a snap from what

1439
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,679
Speaker 3: I read, if he takes a snap with the Colts,

1440
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 3: it resets his clock, so you would have to wait

1441
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 3: another five years. Okay, if he were to get into there,

1442
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 3: to even be on the ballot.

1443
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 14: Hello, this is former President Ronald Reagan and well following

1444
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 14: this year's Bengals team reminds me of that time when

1445
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 14: I had to walk behind the presidential limo in a

1446
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:38,560
Speaker 14: long parade. It's left me exhausted.

1447
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 26: Tough guys, been good hooding Kentucky. Always talked about Schwoburn man.

1448
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 26: It's got me missing baseball just thinking how close we

1449
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 26: was to win it this year. I mean, we had

1450
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 26: the Dodgers on the ropes.

1451
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 2: He had that lead early.

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01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:52,720
Speaker 26: If we could just held on that second game, no

1453
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,719
Speaker 26: chance we'd have lost that third game with abot pitching man,

1454
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 26: we was right there. I'm looking forward to the start

1455
01:15:57,800 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 26: of the new season. How many days to pitchers and

1456
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:00,080
Speaker 26: catches from.

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01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:02,760
Speaker 2: No, I don't know, you dare if I don't know.

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01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 27: What's more pathetic is that Bob Chiefs you need refusing

1459
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 27: to pay anyone, but the fact he has his media

1460
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 27: buddies run around town and tell us all that they

1461
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 27: had a chance, they never had a chance, and now

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01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 27: they don't have a chance the next season.

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01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 22: Imagine what one would have done to this line up,

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01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:16,919
Speaker 22: to this fandom.

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01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 27: You would have increased the tendance having the hometown guy

1466
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 27: here refuse to do it. And now we're going to

1467
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 27: try and back our way into the playoffs again with

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01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 27: eighty wins, just to be knocked out in the first round.

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01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 2: Nothing ever changes in this town.

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01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,639
Speaker 3: Man, I wish I could say he was wrong.

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01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 22: Tough Tony de.

1472
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 5: Deck Georgia the valley, you could see you. I'm a

1473
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 5: huge coward.

1474
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:40,759
Speaker 8: I haven't left.

1475
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 3: Any talkbacks in a couple of.

1476
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 13: Weeks since my beloved blue lost Ohio State.

1477
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 8: Oh, let's fishing it.

1478
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:50,679
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go smoke a couple of years.

1479
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 2: Thanks George.

1480
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 21: The last few days being a Cincinnati sports fan really blows.

1481
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 2: That's all I got tough.

1482
01:16:58,680 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 4: I get it, man.

1483
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:02,560
Speaker 5: Hey, it's Will in Mainville.

1484
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 23: And the reason the Bengals lost Sunday happened with eight

1485
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 23: minutes left, when.

1486
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 5: The Bengals scored a touchdown and they've bat them.

1487
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 28: Uhh I heard him say damn and then he said

1488
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:19,600
Speaker 28: that's the dagger for the Bengals to put in.

1489
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:24,599
Speaker 2: Oh who said that? Who did?

1490
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 29: Hey guys, Hey, yeah, Austin, I think yesterday hit the nail.

1491
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:28,639
Speaker 14: On the head.

1492
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 29: They just need to have the twelve best teams in

1493
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:33,639
Speaker 29: this whole playoff thing. And uh, I don't think UC's

1494
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 29: got a chance against Navy unless they pulled the seven

1495
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 29: diamond defense out of the myth Bault, because uh, I

1496
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:41,719
Speaker 29: think Navy's is gonna run all over that three stack.

1497
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 29: It just ain't gonna work too well. I don't think

1498
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 29: that's all I got, guys, with talk to you later.

1499
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 3: We'll probably like a month is enough time to come

1500
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 3: up with the defense, to prepare for what the midshipmen.

1501
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 2: Have to do. Oh yeah, I would imagine they're gonna

1502
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 2: think they're going to dial into that, you know, dial

1503
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 2: in Tyson Vite checkers.

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01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:04,679
Speaker 30: Somebody brought this up to me and I'd never really

1505
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:05,719
Speaker 30: thought about it, But.

1506
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 2: Has there ever been a.

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01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 30: Quarterback that was top five in the league at the

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01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 30: time he was playing and missed the playoffs three years

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Speaker 30: in a row. Because that's what's about to happen with

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01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 30: Burrow and the Bengals. I understand he was hurt earlier

1511
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 30: this year, but let's be honest, they wouldn't have made

1512
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 30: it anyways, because Flacco played about as good as you

1513
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 30: can play.

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01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 2: I mean, you couldn't played much better.

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01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 3: Not necessarily true.

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01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:29,440
Speaker 30: That is a huge indictment on this franchise.

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01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 3: Flaco played pretty terrible in the last two games that

1518
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:35,719
Speaker 3: he played. Yeah, the first one that comes to mind

1519
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 3: for me would have been Matthew Stafford.

1520
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,640
Speaker 2: All those years in Detroit. Yeah, but I don't know.

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01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 2: And I tried to think of doing high energy how we.

1522
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 31: Field Williams, Darnell Burton, Deontay Vaughn, oh and the great

1523
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 31: Lazelle Durden.

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Speaker 4: And now.

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01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:01,879
Speaker 2: Let's add in by by Miller.

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01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 4: Wait, what.

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01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 32: Don't feel bad, Tony? I took the bait too, repping

1528
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 32: the city out here in Sonny hot Zona?

1529
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:10,719
Speaker 2: What up, Tony?

1530
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 4: What up? Buddy? Yup?

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01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 5: Yup?

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01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 32: Jeff Carr had me too, man, I was sitting there

1533
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 32: looking like, Yo, this is gonna happen. But it is

1534
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 32: what it is. When you're a diehard fans, you're gonna

1535
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:20,719
Speaker 32: live by the swore, You're gonna die by the sword.

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01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 2: Yo.

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01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 32: James Rapene got me wondering about Joe Burrow also having

1538
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 32: Palmer flashbacks. Last talk back y'all for a little bit,

1539
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 32: because me and a wife is heading to Floriada, Florida.

1540
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:33,839
Speaker 4: On the cruise.

1541
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 3: My jeez, I seen you lady.

1542
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 2: You can't hide that money, ron.

1543
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 3: He said he wants to feel a little bit of

1544
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:44,400
Speaker 3: heat and humidity instead of being in the Florida. Is

1545
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 3: James Rapine putting Burrow in the Palmer boat?

1546
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 2: Is he doing that?

1547
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:51,639
Speaker 3: Because if he is, he'll never be on this program

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01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 3: ever again.

1549
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 2: Well, James has been itching to be because he keeps

1550
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 2: tagging all this stuff. Hey, I think you all need

1551
01:19:57,800 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 2: to check on your boy Jeff Carr. He's over there

1552
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 2: TikTok making posts and they don't look good.

1553
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 33: Man.

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01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 2: This boy wonted number twelve. He is down in the dumps. Now.

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01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 34: Look, we might have lost out on Adam Done two

1556
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 34: point zero, but for Crawl to come out and say

1557
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,680
Speaker 34: our financial goal is to break even each year. You

1558
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:15,679
Speaker 34: had your highest attendance rating since twenty fifteen last season.

1559
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 34: Don't tell me you can't go out there and spend

1560
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 34: more money. If I got to watch the Pittsburgh Pirates

1561
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 34: go out here and go all in and build around

1562
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 34: Paul Schemes, What in the world are we doing?

1563
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 22: How are we looking? Not good?

1564
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 30: They told us last night we're going to need him

1565
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 30: this week.

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01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 8: From Alabama A bit moore that catch number four.

1567
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 11: I told myself I was not going to get my

1568
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 11: hopes up. Don't believe the story. But then I did.

1569
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 11: And it's not even like they went down swinging and missing.

1570
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, no no.

1571
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 11: They were up at the bottom of the ninth bases

1572
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 11: loaded and all they needed was a base hit, and

1573
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 11: they didn't swing. They went down looking un serious organization

1574
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 11: on serious ownership. Sell the team, Bob, get.

1575
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 31: Hey, guys, Jeff and you Richmond, Happy Tuesday. Three quick

1576
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 31: points for you. Trey Hendrickson. I would never allow him

1577
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 31: to put on a Bengals uniform again. Nick Krawl did

1578
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:45,840
Speaker 31: what Nick Krawl does, which is absolutely nothing. I would

1579
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 31: not look for them to make a move and they'll

1580
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 31: lose ninety games this year again, what a fun run

1581
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 31: it was for one year Tony. Finally, John Cunningham, why

1582
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:59,639
Speaker 31: is there not more heat on him for what he's doing?

1583
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:05,600
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't have the Joe in Baltimore.

1584
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:08,719
Speaker 35: I might be crazy, but I got a funny feeling.

1585
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 35: The Bengals are going to beat the Ravens on Sunday,

1586
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 35: the Dolphins are going to beat the Steelers Monday night,

1587
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:18,679
Speaker 35: and we're all going to be listening to you guys

1588
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 35: on Monday, yeah, listening about how we're only two games

1589
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 35: back with three to go.

1590
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 4: Yep.

1591
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:28,679
Speaker 35: Knowing the Ravens play New England and Pittsburgh plays the Lions,

1592
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 35: here's a real shot.

1593
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Bengals need to win four in a row, which,

1594
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 2: by the way, they've won four out of thirteen games

1595
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 2: this year, but they do need to win four in

1596
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 2: a row. Baltimore needs to go too and two, and

1597
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers need to finish the season one and three.

1598
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 2: There's your path there it is. We're out of time.

1599
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 2: We'll finish up Hour two next football in the Natty.

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Speaker 2: Football in the Natty. We'll open up the phone lines

1601
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 2: in hour number three. We still got a lot to

1602
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 2: get to on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station thanks

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Speaker 1: This is Football in the NATI lunch you and part

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Speaker 1: by blood Light and by Oakley Greens on ESPN fifteen

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Speaker 1: point thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Really quickly, our number three is next. This is Sincy

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Speaker 2: three sixty. Thanks to our friends at Cincy Shirts. We

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01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 2: will get to your phone calls to kick off the

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Speaker 2: third and final hour of the show. We'll check in

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01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 2: with Mo later in the afternoon. I did mention before

1612
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,720
Speaker 2: we went to break based on a talkback, what that

1613
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 2: playoff path, although small, would be for the Cincinnati Bengals,

1614
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 2: it's really quite simple. In the AFC North, the Bengals

1615
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:38,639
Speaker 2: would have to do something that they've obviously taken thirteen

1616
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 2: games to do, which is acquire four more wins on

1617
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 2: the season, those being against the Ravens, Dolphins, Cardinals, and Browns.

1618
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 2: If the Bengals could do that, they would then need

1619
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 2: the Baltimore Ravens to lose two of their final four,

1620
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 2: and if the Bengals went out, that means the Ravens

1621
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 2: would have to lose one of their final three Ravens

1622
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:58,640
Speaker 2: play after the Bengals, the Patriots, the Packers, and the

1623
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 2: Steelers think it's out of the question Austin to say, Okay,

1624
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 2: the Ravens could lose one of those three. The other

1625
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:07,640
Speaker 2: thing that the Bengals would need to happen would be

1626
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers need to go one in three down

1627
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:17,639
Speaker 2: the stretch. Pittsburgh's final remaining schedule against the Miami Dolphins

1628
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh Monday Night Football this coming Monday. They are

1629
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 2: on the road at Detroit the following week. They then

1630
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:27,080
Speaker 2: go to Cleveland, which is always a war, and then

1631
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:30,480
Speaker 2: they finish the season at home against the Baltimore Ravens.

1632
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 2: Which of those three is the least likely to happen

1633
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:42,080
Speaker 2: Bengals win four in a row. No, Pittsburgh, I would

1634
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 2: think Pittsburgh. They played semi decent. Yeah on Sunday. Now,

1635
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 2: I don't believe in them. They've been up and down,

1636
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:51,240
Speaker 2: but it may If they lose against the Dolphins, then

1637
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:53,320
Speaker 2: it gets interesting. Yeah, it really does.

1638
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:58,560
Speaker 3: And you know, obviously the Dolphins winning doesn't really matters.

1639
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 2: The Bengals lose, then we won't have any more of

1640
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 2: these conversations this year. No, they would be mathematically limiting.

1641
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 3: There's nothing I want more than to go through that

1642
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 3: scenario that our talkbacker just left.

1643
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:15,679
Speaker 2: Yep, that Monday conversation. We're all Dolphins fans. By the way,

1644
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:19,680
Speaker 2: the Bengals are doing something that they never ever do

1645
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 2: on Sunday when they play the Baltimore Ravens at pay

1646
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 2: Corpse Stadium. It will be the date of the game

1647
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 2: is December fourteenth. Yeah, the Bengals will be wearing their

1648
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:38,759
Speaker 2: orange helmets, white jerseys, white socks, and them orange britches.

1649
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 2: So the Bengals are going orange, white, orange white at home.

1650
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 5: Now.

1651
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:49,719
Speaker 3: They've worn white at home before often in the first

1652
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:52,719
Speaker 3: two or three weeks of the season. They have never

1653
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 3: worn white to my knowledge, at home in the month

1654
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 3: of December, and they certainly have never worn the white

1655
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:01,759
Speaker 3: on orange at home.

1656
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 2: Okay, at any point, there's your Uni combo.

1657
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 3: So the Bengals obviously gonna seems like force the Ravens

1658
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 3: into wearing purple on Baltimore on Sunday. And you know

1659
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:15,639
Speaker 3: it's gonna be tough for them because the heat. Yeah,

1660
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw the forecast. We were

1661
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 3: talking about this before the game, because I don't have

1662
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:21,920
Speaker 3: anything to do on Sunday week, Maybe I'll go to

1663
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 3: the game. I looked up the forecast. Eighteen degrees.

1664
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 2: There we go. Good seats still available? Yeah boy, our

1665
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 2: number three. More Bengals, some college hoops. I hate it.

1666
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 2: By the way, I don't think we should be wearing

1667
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:38,679
Speaker 2: white on orange at home. Your phone calls in, mowegger

1668
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 2: all still ahead? Yeah? Next on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. Thanks to our good friends

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Speaker 2: at Penn Station. Do you know Austin that on Tuesdays

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Speaker 2: Did you know this. I did not have a deal

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Speaker 2: You know what they did. That's so nice. It's available

1689
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Speaker 2: after wins or losses. Oh, that's cool. So you don't

1690
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Speaker 2: wait when they win. You could go into a Penn

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Speaker 3: fair Weather Partners at all.

1696
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Speaker 2: Thanks to Penn Station. Thank you for listening. Get the

1697
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Speaker 2: phone calls in just a few seconds. You know, Austin

1698
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 2: said you had some Elie Day La Cruz news. I

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01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 2: can imagine that this is just the Red's pivoting, not

1700
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 2: getting Kyle Schwarber, just signing Ellie to a massive deal.

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01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:39,719
Speaker 3: No's it's not that. But Gordon Wittenmeyer, who of course

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01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:44,559
Speaker 3: covers the Reds sometimes for Cincinnati dot Com, is I

1703
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 3: believe at the MLB Winter Meetings and at the moment

1704
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 3: the World Baseball Classic teams are being announced. Well, the

1705
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 3: manager for the Dominican Republic, which is Ellie's home country,

1706
01:28:56,640 --> 01:29:02,120
Speaker 3: is Albert Poolholes. Albert Poolholes, according to Gordon Wittenmeyer, said

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01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 3: he talked to Ellie de la Cruz last night and

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01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:08,600
Speaker 3: the Red shortstop is indeed committed to playing for the

1709
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:12,559
Speaker 3: Dominican Republic in the World Baseball Classic. Okay, so there's

1710
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 3: something to keep an eye out on there. As far

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01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:17,639
Speaker 3: as I know, he's the only Red that is going

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01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:23,519
Speaker 3: to play. There might be one more, but Ellie de

1713
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 3: la Cruz. According to Gordon Wittmeyer, Albert Poolhols is going

1714
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:30,640
Speaker 3: to play, although it hasn't been officially announced.

1715
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:33,120
Speaker 2: All right, if you missed it earlier. A couple of

1716
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:36,519
Speaker 2: things happening in Major League Baseball. Edwin Diaz, the All

1717
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:39,599
Speaker 2: Star closer for the Mets, is now a Los Angeles Dodger,

1718
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:43,439
Speaker 2: and Kyle Schwarber is back to the Philadelphia Phillies on

1719
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 2: a five year, one hundred and fifty million dollar deal.

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01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:49,519
Speaker 3: I did put a poll question up on Twitter at

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Speaker 3: Audi Elmore a U T Y E L M O

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01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:54,799
Speaker 3: R E if you want to go vote. The Reds

1723
01:29:54,840 --> 01:30:00,599
Speaker 3: pursuit of Kyle Schwarber was which of the following kicking tires,

1724
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:06,000
Speaker 3: taking a test drive, or driving around the lot right now?

1725
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 3: Forty nine percent say kicking the tires, Oh, forty one

1726
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 3: percent say driving around the lot, and nine percent say

1727
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 3: taking a test drive. I think it was closer to

1728
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:21,639
Speaker 3: taking a test drive. Mo chimed in. Most said they

1729
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:22,679
Speaker 3: took a look at the sticker.

1730
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:28,759
Speaker 2: Moe also said that, uh, he's adding a new item

1731
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:31,800
Speaker 2: to his muted words on social media.

1732
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 3: Oh you really?

1733
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:37,960
Speaker 2: What's that league average defense? Why is he ruins everything?

1734
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:40,360
Speaker 2: What's wrong with that? You just don't want to hear

1735
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:42,720
Speaker 2: it anymore? No, but like, what's the deal? I got

1736
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 2: to ask him this? Do you want to know his

1737
01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 2: other ones? Sure? Well I know someone Belichick girlfriend of course,

1738
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 2: Bengals cash problem, Yeah, Elon Musk fair, Kanye very fair,

1739
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:59,879
Speaker 2: Mattress Mac Yes, Ruin college basketball agreed, Ruin college football agreed,

1740
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 2: Nevada game. Yeah.

1741
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:03,120
Speaker 3: I have no beef with any of those except the

1742
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 3: league average defense?

1743
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:07,200
Speaker 2: Why not? They don't want to hear about anymore? Then't

1744
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 2: want to hear about these league average defense? All the

1745
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 2: Bengals need to do is be a league average defense.

1746
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 3: Why can't average be a goal for someone who's well

1747
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:14,799
Speaker 3: below average?

1748
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:19,360
Speaker 2: Just be average? It's the new motto. I mean, are

1749
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:21,840
Speaker 2: we getting a new banner in this studio? By the way,

1750
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:25,360
Speaker 2: I don't got time for banners. I got a new laptop.

1751
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 2: I can't get it to print anything. Man, Okay, from

1752
01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 2: you know how it is with the sure I get it.

1753
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 2: I get it, you know more than most. Yeah, did

1754
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:36,960
Speaker 2: your laptop still work? Do they deactivate it? It was

1755
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 2: deactivated for quite some time. It was it was useless.

1756
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:45,880
Speaker 2: It's rendered useless. I know that feeling. Uh, what's up, John?

1757
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:46,439
Speaker 2: How are you?

1758
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 5: What do you guys working? Get the pensa gone?

1759
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 2: Might as well be wow.

1760
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 28: I think as far as the kicking the tires, the

1761
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:58,680
Speaker 28: Reds probably just looked online at whatever vehicle they were

1762
01:31:58,720 --> 01:31:59,639
Speaker 28: interested in them.

1763
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 5: Just you know, X out.

1764
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 4: Book value.

1765
01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:05,840
Speaker 28: Yeah, pretty much, you know, I mean, I know they

1766
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 28: were kicking the tires, is what they are saying. Or

1767
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 28: they were interested in Kyle forber but you know, of

1768
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 28: course I'm interested in taking dou a leap out for lunch.

1769
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 2: But that's not gonna happen either.

1770
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 5: So we'll do the best we can with that.

1771
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:19,160
Speaker 28: As far as Moe's league average defense, that's want to

1772
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:21,879
Speaker 28: run these numbers by you guys. In the last two seasons,

1773
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:24,360
Speaker 28: which is thirty games, the Bengals have scored thirty three

1774
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:25,160
Speaker 28: or more points and.

1775
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:27,879
Speaker 5: Eleven of those games. In those eleven games.

1776
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:30,200
Speaker 28: They have four wins, seven losses. That's the thirty six

1777
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 28: percent winning percentage when scoring thirty three or more points.

1778
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:35,600
Speaker 28: And it happened Sunday in Buffalo. The rest of the

1779
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:37,639
Speaker 28: league the other thirty one teams and they scored thirty

1780
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 28: three or more points win ninety percent.

1781
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 8: Of their games.

1782
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:42,840
Speaker 28: If they had a league average defense, they would have

1783
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:44,679
Speaker 28: had five more wins over the last two years, would

1784
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:46,680
Speaker 28: have made the playoffs last year, it would probably in

1785
01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:49,280
Speaker 28: control of winning the North this year. So a league

1786
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:52,679
Speaker 28: average defense would be very much welcome for this team.

1787
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:56,040
Speaker 28: And again it's it's just a recurring problem for this

1788
01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 28: team that you know, scored thirty four points and still

1789
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 28: lose by five. I mean, heck, they forty they scored

1790
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 28: forty two against the Bears and lost to them forty

1791
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:04,120
Speaker 28: seven forty two.

1792
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:07,240
Speaker 2: Yep. I mean, there's there's no other way around it.

1793
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:10,559
Speaker 2: That I mentioned earlier, in the nine losses, the defense

1794
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:12,719
Speaker 2: is given up thirty six point one points per game.

1795
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:15,840
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just that there's no other way around that.

1796
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:17,040
Speaker 2: There's no other way around it.

1797
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:20,519
Speaker 28: And when you look at the defense, to me, I mean,

1798
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:22,599
Speaker 28: obviously you guys know more than I and so he's

1799
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:26,240
Speaker 28: played at a very high level. It seems like the

1800
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:29,840
Speaker 28: defensive lineman just want to engauge with the blocker. So

1801
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 28: that's supposed to free up linebackers to make plays. They

1802
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 28: don't have linebackers that can make plays. That's the point

1803
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:37,400
Speaker 28: we're seeing. Yeah, seven eight yard runs without anybody getting there.

1804
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:39,680
Speaker 2: That's the problem normally. And I think that was a

1805
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:42,240
Speaker 2: little bit around the idea of TJ. Slayton is saying, Okay,

1806
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:44,920
Speaker 2: let's get a guy that can occupy some blockers and

1807
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:47,960
Speaker 2: then let's let the linebackers play downhill. That that's the

1808
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:50,880
Speaker 2: ultimate goal. And I compare it to UC. When Dante

1809
01:33:50,920 --> 01:33:53,479
Speaker 2: Corleone is healthy, it allows the linebackers of UC in

1810
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 2: a three three five to be active when he's not

1811
01:33:56,439 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 2: in and when the offensive line can get to the

1812
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:02,760
Speaker 2: second level, makes it a lot easier to run the ball.

1813
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 2: The problem for the Bengals is I feel like a

1814
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:08,040
Speaker 2: lot of times the linebackers are able to run free

1815
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:11,160
Speaker 2: and they're still not able to do anything, and that

1816
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:14,760
Speaker 2: is a linebacker issue. I saw a stat yesterday that

1817
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:18,320
Speaker 2: I believe Orin Burks is the worst coverage linebacker in

1818
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 2: the NFL. Demetrius knighta's rank by Pro Football Focus as

1819
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 2: the worst graded linebacker in the NFL, and Barrett Carter

1820
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:28,080
Speaker 2: gives up the most yards per reception of any linebacker

1821
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:30,879
Speaker 2: in the NFL. That's not a good trio for the Bengals.

1822
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:32,680
Speaker 2: No other than that.

1823
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:34,760
Speaker 28: How is the play, Missus Lincoln? I mean, you know,

1824
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:36,799
Speaker 28: when you really just look at all that stuff, it's

1825
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:40,600
Speaker 28: very disheightening because they did spend some draft picks at linebacker,

1826
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:43,280
Speaker 28: even a free agent at linebacker. And you know, I know,

1827
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:45,600
Speaker 28: we were all thinking that the Miami game was going

1828
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:47,840
Speaker 28: to be very winnable. But now you've got Miami's won

1829
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:50,599
Speaker 28: just out of six. They're running the ball better than

1830
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:52,800
Speaker 28: any team in football. You got Mike McDaniels, Say what

1831
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 28: you want about him. He could scheme up the running

1832
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:57,240
Speaker 28: game better than anyone. He was the guy who steams

1833
01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:00,000
Speaker 28: up the running game. In the twenty nineteen NFC championship

1834
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,840
Speaker 28: game for the forty niners against the Packers, who were

1835
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:05,040
Speaker 28: coached by Jerry Montgomery on the defensive line. So the

1836
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:07,160
Speaker 28: Dolphins could run for three hundred dards a week from

1837
01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:10,240
Speaker 28: now against the Bengals and you'll go again with Joe

1838
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:12,200
Speaker 28: Burrow having to put up like thirty seven points to

1839
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:15,519
Speaker 28: win the game. Just it's just it's unfathomable. I mean,

1840
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:16,920
Speaker 28: this defense is that bad.

1841
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:21,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that to me is the most frustrating. And that's

1842
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:24,439
Speaker 2: why I said when we finished up our number two,

1843
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 2: there's a path that Baltimore has to go to and

1844
01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:29,320
Speaker 2: two the Pittsburgh Steers have to go one in three.

1845
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:31,640
Speaker 2: We're also asking the Bengals to win four games in

1846
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:34,160
Speaker 2: a row, and they've won exactly four games in thirteen

1847
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:37,160
Speaker 2: tries this year. And we're talking about the same defense

1848
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:37,920
Speaker 2: that has been bad.

1849
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:41,760
Speaker 28: Right, And again we're talking about a defense. I mean,

1850
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:44,519
Speaker 28: Baltimore's offense is plumbenting, but you never know with them,

1851
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:47,280
Speaker 28: they can ride and shine in a divisional game. Then

1852
01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:49,240
Speaker 28: Miami game looked to me like a Shore win. Now

1853
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 28: it looks like maybe a sure loss, or at least

1854
01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:53,200
Speaker 28: a game where they're gonna have to score a thirty

1855
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:55,800
Speaker 28: seven forty points to win the game because Miami fourteen

1856
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:56,519
Speaker 28: points on the board.

1857
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:58,840
Speaker 2: Miami bat Buffalo. They manhandled the.

1858
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:00,840
Speaker 28: Jets, which is no great shape but say one of

1859
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:02,760
Speaker 28: the football better than name but right now, and that's

1860
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:05,240
Speaker 28: a bad matchup for the Bengals. And in the last

1861
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:08,519
Speaker 28: two games obviously Arizona and Cleveland, they're at hoolm. But yeah,

1862
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 28: there's there's still a path. I'm gonna stick with you

1863
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:12,880
Speaker 28: guys and hope that the path comes through because the

1864
01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:14,000
Speaker 28: vision is just a mess.

1865
01:36:14,040 --> 01:36:15,799
Speaker 8: So why not us?

1866
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:20,280
Speaker 2: There we go? John, thank you for man appreciate you, Yes,

1867
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:23,960
Speaker 2: sir uh? From John to Paul. What's up, Paul?

1868
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:26,040
Speaker 14: Hey, I have a.

1869
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 8: Question for you.

1870
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:30,040
Speaker 33: Do you think the Dodgers signed the right Daz brother

1871
01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:30,559
Speaker 33: this time?

1872
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:35,519
Speaker 2: I think I think they saw so much in Alexus.

1873
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:38,360
Speaker 2: They're like, we've got to fine blood that's related to

1874
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:39,800
Speaker 2: this guy, and we got to give him a lot

1875
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:41,599
Speaker 2: of money, and they're like, all right, boom, Edwin Diaz,

1876
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:42,080
Speaker 2: here we go.

1877
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:45,760
Speaker 33: That was the biggest thing. And my question for you

1878
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:48,200
Speaker 33: guys is, do you guys think Al Golden's going to

1879
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:49,880
Speaker 33: be on a very short lease next year?

1880
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:56,320
Speaker 3: I would think, I mean, I don't know how you're not.

1881
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 3: I don't know that it's a shoe in that he

1882
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:01,720
Speaker 3: comes back next year, to be honest, especially if they

1883
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:05,160
Speaker 3: really fall apart. But for that reason, I would think,

1884
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:08,519
Speaker 3: yes he would. He would certainly be on a short.

1885
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:10,280
Speaker 5: I'm not.

1886
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 33: I'm an average football fan. And when I saw third

1887
01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:18,120
Speaker 33: and fifteen, I said, there's no possible way Josh Allen

1888
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:22,120
Speaker 33: throws that ball, and how you cannot. I don't care

1889
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:24,120
Speaker 33: if it's the gen I don't care if it's a

1890
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 33: backup safety. Your best tackler should be the spy on

1891
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:32,920
Speaker 33: that third and fifteen. Yes, yeah, I mean, I'm just

1892
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 33: I was beside myself, and as soon as he passed

1893
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:38,479
Speaker 33: the defensive line, I thought, oh my gosh, are you

1894
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:41,679
Speaker 33: kidding me? Where is everybody? And then he slides down

1895
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 33: and I thought, Okay, well, there it is.

1896
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:44,040
Speaker 2: Yep.

1897
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:48,720
Speaker 33: And I don't really feel so bad for loua ay

1898
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:51,439
Speaker 33: an a Romo anymore, you know, I felt like he

1899
01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:54,519
Speaker 33: was getting a roll deal last year. I felt like

1900
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:57,600
Speaker 33: a lot of their troubles wasn't the scheme, but was

1901
01:37:57,640 --> 01:38:00,120
Speaker 33: more of the players. And everyone seemed to say, think

1902
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:03,439
Speaker 33: it was the scheme and run its course and now

1903
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:05,560
Speaker 33: I'm thinking now it's more the players.

1904
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, what's out of doubt? Paul, Thank you man,

1905
01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:09,880
Speaker 2: We appreciate it.

1906
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:10,640
Speaker 5: Thank you.

1907
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:14,439
Speaker 2: All right, let's do this, Austin's let's break, let's come back,

1908
01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:17,960
Speaker 2: Let's have a Bengals conversation. I know we've talked about

1909
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:22,559
Speaker 2: the need for perfection from Joe Burrow, and you know,

1910
01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:24,200
Speaker 2: I think Joe Daniman had kind of hit the nail

1911
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:27,680
Speaker 2: on the head. Joe's talked about that. A quarterback that's

1912
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:31,200
Speaker 2: turning twenty nine years old. I think there's a path

1913
01:38:31,240 --> 01:38:34,599
Speaker 2: that that begin begins to wear more and more on

1914
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:37,320
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow. And there is a Zach Taylor question looming

1915
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:39,240
Speaker 2: in all of this as well. We'll dive into both

1916
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 2: of those when we returned on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

1917
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:44,920
Speaker 2: Sports Station, your front.

1918
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:48,920
Speaker 1: Row seat to the fiercest debates in sports. Moegger today

1919
01:38:48,960 --> 01:39:11,760
Speaker 1: at three pm on ESPN fifteen thirty.

1920
01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:18,880
Speaker 2: Welcome back since he three p sixty ESBN fifteen thirty

1921
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:26,960
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station, thanks to Penn Station. I have to

1922
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:30,559
Speaker 2: ask the question, and I know that that that can

1923
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:33,160
Speaker 2: change based on how this stretch run for the Bengals

1924
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:37,560
Speaker 2: goes but there is a question to be had, and

1925
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:41,080
Speaker 2: I think the question, as it did the early part

1926
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:43,000
Speaker 2: of the middle part of the season, will still revolve

1927
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:47,680
Speaker 2: around Zach Taylor. Is there anything that happens over the

1928
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:51,919
Speaker 2: last four games that in one way or another decides

1929
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:54,200
Speaker 2: the fate of Zach Taylor? Or is it already decided

1930
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:55,600
Speaker 2: that Zach Taylor is going to be the coach of

1931
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:59,360
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bengals next year. I mean, there's a conversation

1932
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:02,680
Speaker 2: like the Bangal. Since losing in the twenty twenty two

1933
01:40:02,720 --> 01:40:09,880
Speaker 2: AFC Championship Game are twenty two and twenty five, they

1934
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:16,200
Speaker 2: are staring at another year of missing the playoffs, which

1935
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:18,439
Speaker 2: would mean that in Zach Taylor's tenure, they would have

1936
01:40:18,439 --> 01:40:22,400
Speaker 2: missed the playoffs in five of seven years. Joe Daniman

1937
01:40:22,439 --> 01:40:25,519
Speaker 2: earlier in the show, Austin mentioned that here you have

1938
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:30,479
Speaker 2: Joe Burrows turning twenty nine years old. He's again you

1939
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:33,599
Speaker 2: still got plenty of time with NFL careers and quarterbacks.

1940
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:35,400
Speaker 2: I mean, we're talking about Philip Rivers is back with

1941
01:40:35,439 --> 01:40:37,960
Speaker 2: the Colts at forty four years old. But nonetheless, we've

1942
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:41,160
Speaker 2: constantly talked about the Super Bowl window and how do

1943
01:40:41,200 --> 01:40:44,080
Speaker 2: you attack that window? And how far away, let's be honest,

1944
01:40:44,120 --> 01:40:46,960
Speaker 2: how far away this roster is from being a legit

1945
01:40:47,080 --> 01:40:54,080
Speaker 2: Super Bowl contender. What's the fallout Austin if this doesn't happen,

1946
01:40:54,280 --> 01:40:56,320
Speaker 2: if they don't make the playoffs and they're on the

1947
01:40:56,360 --> 01:40:59,200
Speaker 2: outside looking in again, is their fallout?

1948
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:03,040
Speaker 3: As relates to Zach Taylor, I do not anticipate any falloup.

1949
01:41:05,960 --> 01:41:09,800
Speaker 3: I think the best, the most likely thing to happen

1950
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:13,080
Speaker 3: would be Al Golden getting fired, and I don't think

1951
01:41:13,080 --> 01:41:16,479
Speaker 3: that that would happen either. I think the best thing

1952
01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:19,320
Speaker 3: for the franchise would be to do an overhaul of

1953
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:22,120
Speaker 3: the personnel department, but I don't think that's going to

1954
01:41:22,120 --> 01:41:26,120
Speaker 3: happen either. So I don't expect Zach to get fired.

1955
01:41:26,479 --> 01:41:29,280
Speaker 3: I said all along. If this thing unravels and they're

1956
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:33,040
Speaker 3: getting embarrassed in these games, then maybe, But they haven't been.

1957
01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:36,439
Speaker 3: They've been competitive in most of them, and I still

1958
01:41:36,479 --> 01:41:40,679
Speaker 3: think that. You know, the Brown family views Zach as

1959
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:44,479
Speaker 3: a good offensive mind and a good fit with Joe Burrow,

1960
01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:47,320
Speaker 3: and I think because of that, he will remain the

1961
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:47,800
Speaker 3: head coach.

1962
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that the way it should be? Because I

1963
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:55,880
Speaker 2: know that that's the way. Kind of the Bengals do

1964
01:41:55,920 --> 01:42:02,200
Speaker 2: it is that the way it should be. I know

1965
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:04,519
Speaker 2: this isn't a good answer. I have no problem keeping

1966
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:05,599
Speaker 2: him this year.

1967
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:12,000
Speaker 3: If it felt like this thing was just completely like

1968
01:42:12,040 --> 01:42:16,960
Speaker 3: there's nothing there, there's no hope, then yes they should

1969
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:19,240
Speaker 3: move on from him and they should do things differently.

1970
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:21,639
Speaker 2: But for much of the season, hasn't it felt that way.

1971
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:26,080
Speaker 2: I mean, we're talking about a four and nine football team.

1972
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:27,840
Speaker 3: But we've also taken most of the blame away from

1973
01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:30,639
Speaker 3: Zach Taylor and put it on Duke Tobin this year.

1974
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:32,960
Speaker 3: There's never been a season, at least as long as

1975
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:35,160
Speaker 3: I've been doing this, and certainly as long as I've

1976
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:37,320
Speaker 3: had a brain good enough to understand what's going on

1977
01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:42,480
Speaker 3: in this organization, has there been more of a microscope

1978
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:46,400
Speaker 3: and the crossairs put on Duke Tobin. I think most

1979
01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:51,840
Speaker 3: people would tell you that the issues with the Bengals

1980
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:55,400
Speaker 3: start at the top in the way that they assess

1981
01:42:55,520 --> 01:42:58,120
Speaker 3: an acquire talent and the way that they do business,

1982
01:42:59,080 --> 01:43:01,439
Speaker 3: and then it has a tri down effect on everyone else,

1983
01:43:02,240 --> 01:43:06,120
Speaker 3: including Zach Taylor. I also, we've talked about it a lot.

1984
01:43:06,240 --> 01:43:08,519
Speaker 3: I don't know if there is a guy out there

1985
01:43:09,680 --> 01:43:12,840
Speaker 3: that you feel like you know, is there a Mike

1986
01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:16,680
Speaker 3: Rabel out there this year. So if it's not, is

1987
01:43:16,720 --> 01:43:18,599
Speaker 3: there you know, is there a Kyle Schwarber out there

1988
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:21,000
Speaker 3: for you to change the way you do business? I

1989
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:21,880
Speaker 3: don't know that there is.

1990
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:29,120
Speaker 2: So if it's If it's not that, what about the

1991
01:43:29,160 --> 01:43:31,879
Speaker 2: same question as it relates to the personnel department.

1992
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:35,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've advocated for it. I did it on Monday.

1993
01:43:35,400 --> 01:43:37,040
Speaker 3: I think they should be fired. I think they should

1994
01:43:37,160 --> 01:43:39,599
Speaker 3: clean house with the whole personnel department. So is there

1995
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:40,080
Speaker 3: is there?

1996
01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:43,200
Speaker 2: This is what I've been asked the most this week,

1997
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:45,240
Speaker 2: and it's why I kind of alluded to it with

1998
01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:50,160
Speaker 2: Joe Daniman. If they're eliminated from playoff contention on Sunday?

1999
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:54,800
Speaker 2: Is there a Is there a point to winning the

2000
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:58,480
Speaker 2: final three games? I get it. I get your competitive

2001
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:01,760
Speaker 2: I get your never just to roll over. I get

2002
01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:05,280
Speaker 2: you always want to win. But I also understand the

2003
01:44:05,320 --> 01:44:07,280
Speaker 2: side of the fan base or people that I've talked

2004
01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:11,000
Speaker 2: to that have said, so they win the final three,

2005
01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:15,120
Speaker 2: everyone's job stay secure. You talk about Burrow's injury and

2006
01:44:15,120 --> 01:44:19,080
Speaker 2: how close you were, no major changes, and in the

2007
01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:25,080
Speaker 2: stretch run you also cost yourself pivotal draft positioning. Is

2008
01:44:25,120 --> 01:44:28,320
Speaker 2: that an argument that is fair for people to be

2009
01:44:28,360 --> 01:44:29,200
Speaker 2: having down the stretch.

2010
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:33,160
Speaker 3: Sure, I think you can look at it and say, Okay, well,

2011
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:37,840
Speaker 3: historically when this personnel department, if it's going to remain

2012
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:41,240
Speaker 3: intact historically, when they make their best picks, it's when

2013
01:44:41,240 --> 01:44:42,320
Speaker 3: it's inside the top ten.

2014
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Speaker 2: Correct.

2015
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Speaker 3: I do think there's a very real possibility that if

2016
01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:50,040
Speaker 3: they are to be eliminated, we would not see Joe

2017
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:52,880
Speaker 3: Burrow and Jamar Chase and some of those guys just

2018
01:44:52,920 --> 01:44:57,840
Speaker 3: because you go into full evaluation mode. You try to

2019
01:44:57,880 --> 01:45:02,000
Speaker 3: protect your stars all that. Like I would have I

2020
01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:04,120
Speaker 3: wouldn't love it as somebody who wants to watch them

2021
01:45:04,160 --> 01:45:07,120
Speaker 3: play football, but I would understand it if that was

2022
01:45:07,160 --> 01:45:09,080
Speaker 3: the case. And we've seen them kind of make those

2023
01:45:09,120 --> 01:45:11,280
Speaker 3: decisions in the past. You think of Ryan Finley getting

2024
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:14,200
Speaker 3: the nod over Andy Dalton for a while, we've seen,

2025
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:16,679
Speaker 3: you know, when they're The thing is, though we haven't

2026
01:45:16,680 --> 01:45:21,120
Speaker 3: seen this since that like twenty nineteen twenty twenty season. Absolutely,

2027
01:45:21,200 --> 01:45:24,680
Speaker 3: because they've never been eliminated until the final day of

2028
01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:25,160
Speaker 3: the season.

2029
01:45:26,120 --> 01:45:30,439
Speaker 2: So because I like, I get people that are now

2030
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:32,200
Speaker 2: coming out and saying, well, all we're gonna do, they're

2031
01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:33,880
Speaker 2: gonna be on the outside looking in and they're just

2032
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:37,719
Speaker 2: gonna cost themselves draft positioning and they've had a hard

2033
01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:43,240
Speaker 2: enough time evaluating talent as this. Like, I get that argument.

2034
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:46,360
Speaker 2: I get that conversation. And if it comes down to,

2035
01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:49,400
Speaker 2: you know, we're we're we're at the draft and we're

2036
01:45:49,439 --> 01:45:51,800
Speaker 2: we're broadcasting, and it comes down to them being three

2037
01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:55,320
Speaker 2: spots away from a potential guy like Caleb Downs, then yeah,

2038
01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:56,840
Speaker 2: I would I would see it even more.

2039
01:45:57,240 --> 01:46:00,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, we'll get into a lot of

2040
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:03,719
Speaker 3: the different guys that they could potentially take in the draft.

2041
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:06,880
Speaker 3: In the debate we'll rage on at some point this

2042
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:09,960
Speaker 3: offseason will be should you take a safety in the

2043
01:46:09,960 --> 01:46:13,599
Speaker 3: top ten? That's a whole nother you know, that's entire

2044
01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:16,000
Speaker 3: show's worth of stuff later on. But if you look

2045
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:19,000
Speaker 3: right now, and let's talk about it, because it's part

2046
01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:22,680
Speaker 3: of the conversation. The draft order as it stands at

2047
01:46:22,720 --> 01:46:25,720
Speaker 3: the moment, you have the New York Giants at number one.

2048
01:46:25,720 --> 01:46:28,760
Speaker 3: They're not going to take a quarterback. Las Vegas is

2049
01:46:28,760 --> 01:46:32,280
Speaker 3: at number two, they probably will, Tennessee is at number three,

2050
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:36,439
Speaker 3: they won't. Cleveland, I guess they probably would. At number four,

2051
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:42,719
Speaker 3: New Orleans maybe maybe not. Washington won't, the Jets will,

2052
01:46:43,120 --> 01:46:48,360
Speaker 3: Arizona will, and then Atlanta traded their pick to the Rams.

2053
01:46:48,360 --> 01:46:50,479
Speaker 3: I would imagine the Rams would take a quarterback if

2054
01:46:50,479 --> 01:46:58,519
Speaker 3: they're in the top ten. So if you have one, two, three, four, five, six,

2055
01:46:59,240 --> 01:47:02,599
Speaker 3: seven of the teams ahead of you that are likely

2056
01:47:02,680 --> 01:47:05,360
Speaker 3: to go for a quarterback, that puts you in a

2057
01:47:05,400 --> 01:47:08,599
Speaker 3: really good position as it stands right now, to get

2058
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:09,639
Speaker 3: an impact player on.

2059
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:12,840
Speaker 2: Your at number ten. Yeah. Now see this is where

2060
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:15,720
Speaker 2: it gets crazy, because the Bengals sit at four and nine.

2061
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:18,000
Speaker 2: That's the same pick as the Falcons. The Falcons right

2062
01:47:18,040 --> 01:47:21,160
Speaker 2: now would pick nine, the Bengals would pick ten. But

2063
01:47:21,240 --> 01:47:25,000
Speaker 2: the difference of the picks around you outside of the Giants, Raiders,

2064
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:28,600
Speaker 2: and Titans all have ten wins. You've got the Browns,

2065
01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:31,000
Speaker 2: the Saints, the Commanders, the Jets, and the Cardinals all

2066
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:32,880
Speaker 2: with three. So you're one away right now in the

2067
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:35,519
Speaker 2: lost column for the win column from being a higher pick.

2068
01:47:35,960 --> 01:47:41,799
Speaker 2: But if you look behind the Bengals, Vikings are at eleven, Dolphins, Ravens,

2069
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:45,360
Speaker 2: Chiefs all at six wins, Carolina is at seven. Like

2070
01:47:45,400 --> 01:47:50,920
Speaker 2: the difference of a finishing record of what eight and

2071
01:47:51,040 --> 01:47:54,080
Speaker 2: nine or seven and ten for the Bengals could very

2072
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:56,400
Speaker 2: well cost them five or six or even more spots

2073
01:47:56,439 --> 01:48:00,559
Speaker 2: in the draft. And yes, so I do understand and

2074
01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:03,559
Speaker 2: I do get that there is a conversation to be had.

2075
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:07,200
Speaker 2: Now is the time for that conversation now? No, Because

2076
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:10,680
Speaker 2: as long as this team is mathematically alive, they're going

2077
01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:13,200
Speaker 2: to play. That's what it is. And if they beat

2078
01:48:13,240 --> 01:48:16,599
Speaker 2: the Ravens and the Steelers lose on Monday Night, that

2079
01:48:16,640 --> 01:48:20,479
Speaker 2: conversation only heats up. Sure, but if this team loses

2080
01:48:20,479 --> 01:48:25,120
Speaker 2: on Sunday, there has to be a legit conversation about

2081
01:48:25,160 --> 01:48:27,200
Speaker 2: how you handle the remaining three games of the schedule

2082
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:30,440
Speaker 2: and what are you valuing.

2083
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:32,679
Speaker 3: If you think about it. I mean, Baltimore and Miami

2084
01:48:32,840 --> 01:48:37,679
Speaker 3: are right behind them, and you could essentially flip spots

2085
01:48:37,720 --> 01:48:41,080
Speaker 3: with them if you were to beat them. Arizona and

2086
01:48:41,120 --> 01:48:45,519
Speaker 3: Cleveland are right ahead of them. Arizona's schedule the rest

2087
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:48,920
Speaker 3: of the way is Houston, Atlanta, the Bengals, and the Rams.

2088
01:48:48,920 --> 01:48:52,440
Speaker 3: You would expect at least two losses right there for Arizona.

2089
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:55,040
Speaker 3: I hate that this is what we're talking about right now, correct,

2090
01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:57,759
Speaker 3: but it is. Yeah, It's part of the conversation reality

2091
01:48:57,800 --> 01:49:00,160
Speaker 3: because where they're at, I don't think though, the the

2092
01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:04,120
Speaker 3: Bengals really entertain it until they are eliminated. Yeah, and

2093
01:49:04,160 --> 01:49:06,559
Speaker 3: then you kind of sit down and say, Okay, how

2094
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:11,559
Speaker 3: do we want to go about this? And the way

2095
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:15,280
Speaker 3: I see it, like, I really don't need to see

2096
01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:18,640
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow in Week eighteen in a meaningless game if

2097
01:49:18,680 --> 01:49:20,880
Speaker 3: he wants to play this week, especially Week ten and

2098
01:49:21,120 --> 01:49:23,640
Speaker 3: Miles Garrett Miami and against Arizona, if he wants to

2099
01:49:23,640 --> 01:49:26,879
Speaker 3: play those games, Okay, but Week eighteen and Miles Garrett

2100
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:29,519
Speaker 3: more than likely either having already set the sack record

2101
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:31,320
Speaker 3: and trying to add on to it or trying to

2102
01:49:31,479 --> 01:49:32,479
Speaker 3: get the sack record.

2103
01:49:33,080 --> 01:49:37,599
Speaker 2: I have no interest. Yeah, conversations that hopefully are delayed

2104
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:40,000
Speaker 2: us having to have because the Bengals take care of

2105
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:44,280
Speaker 2: the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday and then we're all Dolphins

2106
01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:47,360
Speaker 2: fans on Monday Night football. We'll take a break. When

2107
01:49:47,400 --> 01:49:50,320
Speaker 2: we come back, phone lines will be open five, one, three, seven,

2108
01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:52,320
Speaker 2: four nine, fifteen thirty. We got to talk a little

2109
01:49:52,320 --> 01:49:54,320
Speaker 2: college hoops as well if we have an opportunity, and

2110
01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:57,200
Speaker 2: we'll check in with Moager from Oakley Greens for quick

2111
01:49:57,280 --> 01:49:59,880
Speaker 2: kits on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

2112
01:50:00,479 --> 01:50:03,960
Speaker 1: Men, Tony Pikes since E three sixty is back now

2113
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:11,240
Speaker 1: on ESPN fifteen thirty.

2114
01:50:12,160 --> 01:50:16,439
Speaker 2: Welcome back since E three to sixty ESPN fifteen thirty,

2115
01:50:16,479 --> 01:50:18,920
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station at thanks Compen Station.

2116
01:50:19,160 --> 01:50:21,639
Speaker 3: You never call it Tony Pikes since E three sixty.

2117
01:50:21,720 --> 01:50:23,600
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't literally talk about myself in

2118
01:50:23,680 --> 01:50:26,040
Speaker 2: third person. I've done it many times in the past. No,

2119
01:50:26,200 --> 01:50:32,080
Speaker 2: I never said, well, Tony thinks this, Tony does that. Okay,

2120
01:50:32,240 --> 01:50:36,440
Speaker 2: Tony says this. Here's what I say out of these teams,

2121
01:50:37,200 --> 01:50:39,160
Speaker 2: and we're going to get into QB tiers tomorrow. We're

2122
01:50:39,160 --> 01:50:41,439
Speaker 2: going to dive deep into the quarterback tiers of the

2123
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:45,599
Speaker 2: National Football League. I wrote these teams down as Super

2124
01:50:45,640 --> 01:50:51,040
Speaker 2: Bowl contenders. Who would you add or take off this list? Rams, Packers, Seahawks,

2125
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:56,479
Speaker 2: forty nine Ers, Lions, Texans, Bills, Broncos. Those are the

2126
01:50:56,520 --> 01:50:59,000
Speaker 2: only teams I have right now as contenders. I would

2127
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:02,479
Speaker 2: take off the forty nine, the Lions, and the just

2128
01:51:02,520 --> 01:51:05,240
Speaker 2: because of the competition. Yeah, I don't think they're that good.

2129
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:07,320
Speaker 2: You take off the Lions.

2130
01:51:07,280 --> 01:51:16,080
Speaker 3: Forty nine Ers, Lions. Yeah, the Broncos and Texans are

2131
01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:18,519
Speaker 3: the same team to me. I mean outside of the

2132
01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:22,160
Speaker 3: but I'm still not crazy. I don't know that there

2133
01:51:22,200 --> 01:51:25,439
Speaker 3: is one. Yeah, I think this year that the narrative

2134
01:51:25,479 --> 01:51:28,200
Speaker 3: is about to shift, by the way, because Burrow, Jackson

2135
01:51:28,240 --> 01:51:29,879
Speaker 3: and Mahomes are not going to be in the playoffs,

2136
01:51:30,160 --> 01:51:32,880
Speaker 3: So the narrative is going to shift to Okay, Josh Allen,

2137
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:36,080
Speaker 3: never have you had a better chance than this right here.

2138
01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:38,200
Speaker 3: You don't have to go through those three guys at

2139
01:51:38,200 --> 01:51:40,000
Speaker 3: any point to get your team to the super Bowl.

2140
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:45,200
Speaker 3: And so I think I have a hard time betting

2141
01:51:45,240 --> 01:51:46,800
Speaker 3: against Josh Allen right now.

2142
01:51:46,840 --> 01:51:48,000
Speaker 2: When it comes to the AFC.

2143
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:51,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now, I don't think they're the best team, but

2144
01:51:51,680 --> 01:51:52,479
Speaker 3: they got the best player.

2145
01:51:52,520 --> 01:51:54,719
Speaker 2: I think the forty nine ers are off the list.

2146
01:51:54,720 --> 01:51:58,719
Speaker 2: I'm not ready to move the Lions just yet, injuries

2147
01:51:58,760 --> 01:52:03,479
Speaker 2: and their ds off Shawks Darnold is the big question

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01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:09,439
Speaker 2: for me. Rams, Packers, Seahawks, Lions, Texans, Bill's Broncos. Out

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Speaker 2: of out of this list, Panthers, Cowboys, Eagles, Bears, Chiefs, Dolphins, Ravens, Colts, Chargers, Jaguars, Steelers, Patriots, Bucks, Bengals.

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Speaker 2: I can't any of those teams should be a contender.

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Speaker 3: That was too many for the Bengals are a contender.

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01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:32,720
Speaker 2: No, I'm asking you, like, these are the teams I

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01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:38,080
Speaker 2: just have as off my off my contender list, but

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01:52:38,080 --> 01:52:40,880
Speaker 2: but they're still mathematically These are the teams that are

2155
01:52:40,920 --> 01:52:43,080
Speaker 2: still mathematically and or in the playoffs, but I'm just

2156
01:52:43,080 --> 01:52:49,280
Speaker 2: not counting them as a contender. Bengals, Tampa Bay, New England.

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01:52:50,680 --> 01:52:53,960
Speaker 2: You have New England as a contender or no, okay,

2158
01:52:55,000 --> 01:53:01,360
Speaker 2: Steelers Jaguars. You've seen enough from the Jags contender in

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01:53:01,479 --> 01:53:02,599
Speaker 2: a weekend AFC.

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Speaker 3: No, what do you think? Are you just naming teams

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01:53:05,240 --> 01:53:06,000
Speaker 3: and asking.

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01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:11,080
Speaker 2: Me my list? My list was the original Rams, Packers, Seahawks, Niners, Lions, Texans,

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01:53:11,120 --> 01:53:14,040
Speaker 2: Bill's Broncos. Those are the teams I view as actual

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01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:18,120
Speaker 2: contenders as we sit here on December ninth. Off my

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Speaker 2: contender list. Now there's irrelevant teams that don't matter at

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01:53:21,160 --> 01:53:27,600
Speaker 2: this point. But the teams that are still alive Panthers, Cowboys, Eagles, Bears, Chiefs, Dolphins.

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Speaker 3: I think there's three in the NFC that can win

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01:53:30,880 --> 01:53:33,919
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. The Rams, the Packers, saw the Seahawks

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01:53:34,439 --> 01:53:36,320
Speaker 3: and the big thing for the Seahawks, and you mentioned

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Speaker 3: Sam Darnold. He's not going to have to play Brian

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01:53:38,640 --> 01:53:41,200
Speaker 3: Flores in the playoffs like he did last year. Sure, well,

2172
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:43,080
Speaker 3: yead Brian floor is on his team last year, but

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01:53:43,080 --> 01:53:45,160
Speaker 3: he's not gonna have to face, you know, that type

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Speaker 3: of defense in the playoffs where he was really getting

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01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:49,800
Speaker 3: torn up.

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01:53:52,760 --> 01:53:55,280
Speaker 2: So I think those three are they any other in

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Speaker 2: the AFC that you would put into the contender list?

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Speaker 3: I don't really feel good about any of them at all. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Like I think they're technically contenders because somebody has to

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Speaker 3: come out of the AFC. Yeah, I would still lean

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01:54:09,080 --> 01:54:11,879
Speaker 3: towards Buffalo, even though I know Denver has a better defense,

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01:54:12,040 --> 01:54:15,200
Speaker 3: Houston has a better defense. New England is maybe the

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01:54:15,240 --> 01:54:17,040
Speaker 3: most complete team of the group.

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Speaker 2: I think it's interesting with the Seahawks as well. You're

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01:54:20,479 --> 01:54:24,200
Speaker 2: gonna learn a lot down the stretch. Colts Rams on

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01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:26,160
Speaker 2: the road against the Panthers, on the road against the

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Speaker 2: forty nine ers.

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Speaker 3: I think they'll win every one of those games.

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01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:31,519
Speaker 2: I just don't I don't think they beat the Rams.

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01:54:32,440 --> 01:54:34,839
Speaker 3: They almost beat them the first time in Los Angeles.

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01:54:34,920 --> 01:54:38,360
Speaker 2: They did, and that was a game Darnold through four picks.

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Speaker 3: It's a home Thursday night game in Seattle. They'll win

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01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:44,120
Speaker 3: that game. Okay, Seattle win that game, all right. They're

2194
01:54:44,120 --> 01:54:46,320
Speaker 3: playing a ninety six year old quarterback this week.

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Speaker 2: What if he wins? Though? What if Phil wins?

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01:54:52,160 --> 01:54:53,960
Speaker 3: It would be a great story. I got to see

2197
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:56,480
Speaker 3: if it would be fitting considering I just said, yep,

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01:54:56,520 --> 01:54:57,160
Speaker 3: they'll win out.

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Speaker 2: We got a break. We gotta get the Mowagger. I've

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01:55:00,240 --> 01:55:03,520
Speaker 2: got to return a phone call to Indy. I guess

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Speaker 2: I don't have to make I guess I don't have

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01:55:04,720 --> 01:55:06,160
Speaker 2: to make a drive up there. We never we don't

2203
01:55:06,200 --> 01:55:09,360
Speaker 2: make that joke on ESPN fifteenth talk about himself in

2204
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:11,760
Speaker 2: third person. Yeah, well I got you wrecked his career

2205
01:55:11,880 --> 01:55:13,560
Speaker 2: got you earlier? Are you already? Cut my mic?

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Speaker 4: Off?

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01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:17,800
Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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01:55:18,720 --> 01:55:22,120
Speaker 1: Now it's time for a quick hits on Tony Tykes.

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Speaker 1: Since the three sixteen.

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01:55:25,080 --> 01:55:27,040
Speaker 2: Was looking for mo it is, we're heading out to

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01:55:27,080 --> 01:55:31,280
Speaker 2: Oakley Greens to do so. Mollagger is there today and

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01:55:31,360 --> 01:55:33,440
Speaker 2: yet still nice enough to join us? Right now? What's up?

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01:55:33,480 --> 01:55:35,760
Speaker 4: Mo fellas? How are we?

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01:55:36,040 --> 01:55:36,960
Speaker 2: I'm great? How are you?

2215
01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:39,200
Speaker 4: I'm all right?

2216
01:55:39,680 --> 01:55:41,400
Speaker 2: What do you get? What do you get? Coming up

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01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:42,040
Speaker 2: on the.

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01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:47,680
Speaker 36: I was gonna try to squeeze a few more segments

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01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:49,200
Speaker 36: out of Kyle Schwarber this week.

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01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:50,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'll do so today.

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01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:52,920
Speaker 36: But I was sort of hoping that I could just

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01:55:53,120 --> 01:55:56,280
Speaker 36: I could, I could, I could suckle on that teat just.

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01:55:56,240 --> 01:55:56,720
Speaker 35: A little bit.

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01:55:56,720 --> 01:56:00,240
Speaker 3: Wow, he's no Trey Hendricksonzy No.

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01:56:01,400 --> 01:56:04,360
Speaker 36: I was thinking about this today that the standings Trey

2226
01:56:04,400 --> 01:56:08,160
Speaker 36: Hendrickson has so far run away with the title of

2227
01:56:08,480 --> 01:56:11,800
Speaker 36: most radio segments about Shamar Stewart number two.

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01:56:12,520 --> 01:56:15,160
Speaker 4: Kyle Schwarber doesn't make the.

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01:56:15,080 --> 01:56:18,960
Speaker 36: Top fifteen, but I got a good ten to twelve

2230
01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:23,480
Speaker 36: segments out of the reds pursuit of Kyle Schwartz.

2231
01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:26,120
Speaker 3: Who's the all time leader in that category, like Pete Rose,

2232
01:56:26,160 --> 01:56:27,000
Speaker 3: Carson Palmer.

2233
01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:29,560
Speaker 4: Like, that's a good question.

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01:56:29,800 --> 01:56:35,120
Speaker 36: It's probably either Andy Dalton or Joey Vado. It's probably

2235
01:56:35,160 --> 01:56:41,440
Speaker 36: Joey because if you think of all the different you know, well,

2236
01:56:41,480 --> 01:56:45,920
Speaker 36: he didn't drive in enough, Arby Hines too much, walks

2237
01:56:45,960 --> 01:56:48,600
Speaker 36: too much, he not invade the walk, and then all

2238
01:56:48,640 --> 01:56:50,120
Speaker 36: the subsequent topics.

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01:56:50,120 --> 01:56:51,879
Speaker 4: But probably Vado. I would say.

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Speaker 36: Vado Dalton, and then number three would be just generic

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01:56:58,040 --> 01:57:02,840
Speaker 36: UC football coaching searches. I mean that's true. I know

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01:57:03,200 --> 01:57:06,400
Speaker 36: it's true. Like all the UC there is nothing, and

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01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:10,240
Speaker 36: I mean this in the eighteen years I guess I've

2244
01:57:10,240 --> 01:57:14,560
Speaker 36: been doing our show. There is nothing that gets people

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01:57:14,720 --> 01:57:17,840
Speaker 36: talking more on our show.

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01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:20,520
Speaker 2: Than a UC football st good coaching search.

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01:57:20,480 --> 01:57:22,120
Speaker 4: Once they hired the coach. It's like, you want to

2248
01:57:22,120 --> 01:57:23,120
Speaker 4: talk about the games.

2249
01:57:23,480 --> 01:57:28,840
Speaker 36: But when they have a coaching need, people get all

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01:57:29,200 --> 01:57:30,000
Speaker 36: fired up for that.

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Speaker 2: You know, we talked yesterday that on Sunday, in that

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01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:36,440
Speaker 2: fourth quarter, you allowed yourself to believe again, you opened

2253
01:57:36,480 --> 01:57:39,400
Speaker 2: the door back up and it came crashing down. I

2254
01:57:39,400 --> 01:57:41,600
Speaker 2: think I had that same thing happen today. I started

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Speaker 2: to allow myself to believe that Kyle Schwarber could actually happen.

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Speaker 2: Do you think this was ever a real possibility? Do

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01:57:48,560 --> 01:57:50,720
Speaker 2: you see Schwarber is just kind of playing this to

2258
01:57:50,760 --> 01:57:53,920
Speaker 2: get more from the Philadelphia Phillies that the passing piece

2259
01:57:53,960 --> 01:57:55,760
Speaker 2: comes out that the Reds were not able to match

2260
01:57:56,320 --> 01:57:58,880
Speaker 2: financially what Kyle Schwarber wanted. Do you think this was

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01:57:58,880 --> 01:58:00,480
Speaker 2: ever a consideration.

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01:58:01,400 --> 01:58:05,080
Speaker 4: A consideration for Kyle or consideration Reds.

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01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:05,640
Speaker 35: Uh.

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01:58:05,680 --> 01:58:06,840
Speaker 4: I'm sure he was open to it.

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01:58:07,040 --> 01:58:10,160
Speaker 36: Yeah, I'm gonna guess he never seriously considered the Reds offer.

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01:58:10,200 --> 01:58:13,000
Speaker 36: There's a difference between you know, I'll consider the Reds

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01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:15,240
Speaker 36: as a possibility, and I'm interested in what they would

2268
01:58:15,280 --> 01:58:18,040
Speaker 36: have to say versus I'm considering their offer. My guess

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01:58:18,120 --> 01:58:21,280
Speaker 36: is he considered Cincinnati until he got the offer.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's the question we all have here.

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01:58:24,080 --> 01:58:28,960
Speaker 36: How serious was their pursuit. I was told very late

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01:58:29,080 --> 01:58:35,000
Speaker 36: last night. I got a text from somebody who I

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01:58:35,120 --> 01:58:38,920
Speaker 36: really really trust, late last night, like after the Monday

2274
01:58:39,000 --> 01:58:42,360
Speaker 36: night football game, and it's like, you can stop talking about.

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01:58:42,200 --> 01:58:44,000
Speaker 4: Kyle Schwerber now man.

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01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:47,960
Speaker 36: And I was like, okay, And I've been told that

2277
01:58:48,040 --> 01:58:49,760
Speaker 36: by a lot of folks, like why are you wasting

2278
01:58:49,800 --> 01:58:50,120
Speaker 36: your time?

2279
01:58:50,160 --> 01:58:51,560
Speaker 4: Why are you wasting your breath? What did I do

2280
01:58:51,600 --> 01:58:54,080
Speaker 4: sports talk radio for a living man? Like come on?

2281
01:58:55,600 --> 01:58:59,400
Speaker 36: But I was told last night by somebody who would know, like,

2282
01:58:59,680 --> 01:59:01,680
Speaker 36: you can stop talking about it. He's going back to

2283
01:59:01,720 --> 01:59:06,200
Speaker 36: the Phillies. Yes, and so it was fun. But did

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01:59:06,320 --> 01:59:11,120
Speaker 36: any of us really believe. You know, in sports we

2285
01:59:11,200 --> 01:59:14,000
Speaker 36: do this all the time. We create certain narratives. Well,

2286
01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:16,560
Speaker 36: he's from Cincinnati, so he's gonna want to be here. Yeah, right,

2287
01:59:16,840 --> 01:59:19,600
Speaker 36: Oh it Look, Ficker will never leave because it's got

2288
01:59:19,600 --> 01:59:20,920
Speaker 36: a fat a thousand kids and they all go to

2289
01:59:20,960 --> 01:59:22,760
Speaker 36: the schools here here, Okay, at the end of the day,

2290
01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:26,440
Speaker 36: it's about money, and so it was fun. It was

2291
01:59:26,480 --> 01:59:29,240
Speaker 36: fun to entertaine. But there was a great amount of

2292
01:59:29,240 --> 01:59:32,600
Speaker 36: skepticism that the Reds were seriously going to pursue him.

2293
01:59:32,600 --> 01:59:35,240
Speaker 36: And I mean, like, say, all right, we'll match what

2294
01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:37,400
Speaker 36: the Phillies or the Mets or the Red Sox are

2295
01:59:37,400 --> 01:59:41,520
Speaker 36: willing to offer. I'm led to believe that their offer

2296
01:59:41,800 --> 01:59:42,800
Speaker 36: was not even in the same ball.

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Speaker 2: So do you think they go and they take that

2298
01:59:44,320 --> 01:59:45,960
Speaker 2: money they did offer and go try to get another

2299
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:46,960
Speaker 2: high level free agent?

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01:59:48,320 --> 01:59:50,360
Speaker 36: Well, you know, I have a poll question. I thought

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01:59:50,360 --> 01:59:53,760
Speaker 36: maybe you guys could answer it for me. Okay, at

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Speaker 36: moeger So, because I think there's four different possibilities. The

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01:59:58,680 --> 02:00:01,160
Speaker 36: first possibility is a a player who used to be

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Speaker 36: good before he got hurt. The next possibility would be

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02:00:05,280 --> 02:00:07,720
Speaker 36: the kind of player whose value can only be appreciated

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02:00:07,760 --> 02:00:11,520
Speaker 36: if you look at the underlying metrics. If I hear again, well,

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02:00:11,600 --> 02:00:13,240
Speaker 36: if you look at the underlying metrics. If I have

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02:00:13,240 --> 02:00:17,040
Speaker 36: to look at the underlying metrics, you stick. Or there's

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Speaker 36: former guardian who brings value because Tito knows them.

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Speaker 4: Or there's guy who is a big.

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Speaker 36: Player on a really good team and who's winning pedigree

2312
02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:31,720
Speaker 36: provides more value than any real statistical contribution. Which of

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Speaker 36: those four players would be the best plan? B?

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Speaker 3: If you will, I'm gonna well, I don't know that

2315
02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:44,240
Speaker 3: it's the best. But what they will do is a

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02:00:44,600 --> 02:00:46,280
Speaker 3: guy who used to be good before he got hurt.

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Speaker 3: I think it'll actually be like a mix between A

2318
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Speaker 3: and B. But okay, mostly underlying metrics.

2319
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you could find someone who used to

2320
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Speaker 2: be good that has a relationship with Tito, watch out

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02:00:56,520 --> 02:00:59,080
Speaker 2: if you look at underlying metrics before he got hurt,

2322
02:00:59,120 --> 02:00:59,960
Speaker 2: he was really good.

2323
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Speaker 36: Like guy who was with the Guardians when they were

2324
02:01:03,440 --> 02:01:06,640
Speaker 36: good and Tito was manager, but used to be good

2325
02:01:06,720 --> 02:01:10,240
Speaker 36: before he got hurt, and also has great underlying metrics

2326
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Speaker 36: that sort of satisfies all for But it's a legitimate question,

2327
02:01:15,320 --> 02:01:18,040
Speaker 36: like now what right, so we were talking about, Okay,

2328
02:01:18,080 --> 02:01:20,280
Speaker 36: could they add a guy who you could pretty much

2329
02:01:20,360 --> 02:01:22,120
Speaker 36: jot down to hit forty home runs for you?

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Speaker 4: Okay, well he's off, he's off. Now what now? What

2331
02:01:25,680 --> 02:01:28,160
Speaker 4: is going to satisfy their need for a power bat?

2332
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Speaker 36: Is there a free agent possibility or is it they

2333
02:01:31,160 --> 02:01:33,880
Speaker 36: dip into their reservoir of starting Pitchers.

2334
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Speaker 4: To go trade one of those guys and get someone

2335
02:01:36,440 --> 02:01:36,800
Speaker 4: in return.

2336
02:01:36,920 --> 02:01:40,320
Speaker 3: Scott Boris hinted today that maybe the Reds were interested

2337
02:01:40,320 --> 02:01:43,400
Speaker 3: in Cody Bellinger. Does that do anything for you?

2338
02:01:44,200 --> 02:01:45,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, A little bit sure.

2339
02:01:46,640 --> 02:01:48,480
Speaker 2: Outside of another Schreber segment, what do you got on

2340
02:01:48,520 --> 02:01:49,040
Speaker 2: the show today?

2341
02:01:49,880 --> 02:01:51,360
Speaker 36: Jeff Carr is gonna come on the show to talk

2342
02:01:51,400 --> 02:01:56,840
Speaker 36: about college, So we're just we're really gonna milk this.

2343
02:01:57,120 --> 02:01:57,600
Speaker 4: I might.

2344
02:01:58,960 --> 02:02:01,560
Speaker 36: What I was looking for, or two was being inundated with.

2345
02:02:01,880 --> 02:02:05,640
Speaker 36: You know, my my brother went to middle school with

2346
02:02:05,720 --> 02:02:07,760
Speaker 36: college for where you should have him on because I

2347
02:02:07,800 --> 02:02:10,000
Speaker 36: was already starting to get that, and I was also

2348
02:02:10,080 --> 02:02:14,480
Speaker 36: starting to get like, you know, my sister used to

2349
02:02:14,520 --> 02:02:16,280
Speaker 36: wait tables at the I Hop in Middletown.

2350
02:02:16,360 --> 02:02:18,680
Speaker 4: She says it's a done deal. She says he's coming.

2351
02:02:18,760 --> 02:02:18,960
Speaker 4: I was.

2352
02:02:19,040 --> 02:02:22,640
Speaker 36: I was starting to get some of that too. Paul

2353
02:02:22,720 --> 02:02:25,800
Speaker 36: Danner Junior is going to be on the show. We'll

2354
02:02:25,800 --> 02:02:28,400
Speaker 36: talk about the Bengals and a lot of different things

2355
02:02:28,400 --> 02:02:32,160
Speaker 36: in play there. Our guy Sean Sayed's stats and scheme

2356
02:02:32,280 --> 02:02:34,720
Speaker 36: newsletter is gonna break down the Bengals schemes because I'm

2357
02:02:34,720 --> 02:02:36,320
Speaker 36: gonna ask him about spying the quarterback.

2358
02:02:36,840 --> 02:02:38,520
Speaker 4: Do you other teams do this to other team's spot.

2359
02:02:38,600 --> 02:02:40,880
Speaker 3: That's tough. That's tough to teach. You're gonna ask him

2360
02:02:40,920 --> 02:02:44,240
Speaker 3: his favorite Jermaine Burton moment, Well.

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Speaker 36: He had four catches. That was one of my pole

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Speaker 36: questions yesterday, which all four catches?

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Speaker 4: Was your favorite?

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Speaker 36: My favorite Jermaine Burton moment was when he had the

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Speaker 36: good preseason game against the Buccaneers and he was like otherworldly,

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Speaker 36: and yet after the game, all anybody talked about was

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Speaker 36: like they're pretty much said on TV, he falls asleep

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Speaker 36: in the meetings. I don't know what he's doing, doesn't

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Speaker 36: show up on times like damn guy.

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Speaker 4: I like game. They're like, hey, yeah, I just see

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Speaker 4: when he was in. He was in the late and

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Speaker 4: the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: I liked when he wore that beach tal for like

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Speaker 2: three days at Trant.

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Speaker 3: Forgot about that.

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Speaker 2: Austin was wondering as well. He wanted to bring this

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Speaker 2: up and ask you. You added a new item to

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Speaker 2: your muted words list on social media, league average defense.

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Speaker 2: You're done with this now? Why?

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Speaker 36: Because I'm tired of hearing about how they just need

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Speaker 36: a league average defense.

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Speaker 2: But it's true.

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Speaker 36: It's not true. They need a defense that can help

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Speaker 36: you win games. They need a defense that can win

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Speaker 36: games in the fourth quarter. They need a championship level defense. Now, statistically,

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Speaker 36: if that's their fifteenth that's fine. What are they in

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Speaker 36: the fourth quarter? League average defense doesn't do anything for me.

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Speaker 36: If they stink on third and fifteen or fourth and

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Speaker 36: fifteen in the fourth quarter when Johnson has the football

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Speaker 36: and you know what he's gonna do. That defense metrically

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Speaker 36: maybe middle of the pack. Can I get a defense

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Speaker 36: that can get off the field against the Detroit Lions

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Speaker 36: when they've the deficit to eleven points and there's still

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Speaker 36: time at home? Can I get a defense that can

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Speaker 36: get off the field against the New York Jets when

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Speaker 36: they're the offense has done enough to win it. Can

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Speaker 36: I get a defense that can stop the Chicago Bears

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Speaker 36: in the fourth quarter when the game is there to

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Speaker 36: be won.

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Speaker 4: I don't. I have no remote.

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Speaker 36: Idea where the Bengals ranked defensively, none. I could not

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Speaker 36: care less. When the games have been hanging in the balance,

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Speaker 36: it has failed. If a league average defense is more

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Speaker 36: likely to get those stops, that's one thing. I want

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Speaker 36: a championship caliber defense. I want a defense that can

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Speaker 36: win games for you. In twenty twenty one, the Bengals

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Speaker 36: had a defense that could win games for it. I

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Speaker 36: don't know what they were statistically, don't care. They could

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Speaker 36: win games. That unit could win games. So miss me

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Speaker 36: with this lead. When you when you just gotta be

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Speaker 36: league average means all you're aspiring to is league average.

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Speaker 36: When you're ceiling is league average. Your floor is a

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Speaker 36: comparison to the nineteen sixty six New York Giants. It's

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Speaker 36: so stop with the just need league average. I'm tired

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Speaker 36: of it. We do it with all the team, but

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Speaker 36: it just gotta be Okay, I just go get Mike

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Speaker 36: swarbur instead of Kyle Schwarber in the league average. Stop attaining,

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Speaker 36: Stop striving for average. How about strive for good. What

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Speaker 36: they need next year is a good defense?

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Speaker 4: Good? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Do you remember the times that.

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Speaker 36: That they have legitimately competed for anything? The defense when

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Speaker 36: it is counted has been good. Not eh, that's the

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Speaker 36: league average. Is a sound effect?

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Speaker 4: What do you want next year? How's the how's Al

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Speaker 4: Gold's defense going to be next year?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 4: I want like a word that describes the defense, not

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Speaker 4: a sound effect.

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Speaker 2: What was your first muted word Nevada Game.

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Speaker 36: Kanyeah Okay Kanye was later Nevada Game was the first

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Speaker 36: muted term.

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Speaker 4: All Right, Nevada Game, have.

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Speaker 2: A great show. We appreciate you. Moger's next from Oakley

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Speaker 2: Greens on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station