WEBVTT - 1-16-26 Friday Night Sterling 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:04.080 It's the weekend Sterling back seven hundred WLW, guy who 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:07.880 knows from betting in sports for ESPN chalk. You may 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:10.039 have even seen him all over TV the last couple 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:12.240 of days. I know I have David Purdham. Welcome back 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:13.720 to seven hundred WLW. 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:16.520 How are you man, I'm doing great, Thanks for having me. 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.960 You know, usually I'm here to talk about like odds 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:22.600 for a World Series or a Super Bowl or maybe 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:25.840 some like Final Four action. But occasionally in the midst 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:28.120 of sports betting things come up. But a couple of 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:31.000 weeks ago was the NBA thing. We've talked about point 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:34.519 shaving and stuff like that too. The last couple of 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:38.400 days it's been in the NCAA basketball sort of realm, 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:40.720 if you will, Can you break down in short order 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:44.200 what exactly has transpired and where we are now sitting 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:46.000 in the midst of what continues to be I guess 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:48.320 an evolving story and court proceeding. 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:53.199 Yeah, absolutely so. Yesterday federal authorities in the Eastern District 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:58.840 of Pennsylvania unsealed a seventy page indictment that outlined a 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.800 point shavings that had been going on for the previous 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:08.800 two seasons. Thirty twenty six people were indicted. Thirty nine 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:11.119 was a thirty nine games, some of the twenty five 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:15.720 games something around there dozens of games. Seventeen college teams 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:19.320 had players on there that had been impacted. And this 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:21.600 thing went on for two years. It was a gambling 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:24.160 ring that has some crossover to the people that were 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:27.920 involved in the NBA betting scandals from earlier. This fall 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:31.800 their last ball, I should say, So, yeah, that's where 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:32.640 we're at right now. 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.279 It's ugly, it really is so. David Purdam from ESPN 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:38.760 Chalk was sterling on the big one. So when you 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:43.039 think about the sheer number of colleges and universities playing 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:48.200 basketball competitively across the United States, I mean, how many 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:51.680 student athletes and how many schools are involved. To say 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:55.240 that twenty or twenty five particular games or teams and 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.840 twenty students seems really small. But when it comes to 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:01.280 the integrity of the game, it's a pretty big deal. 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:02.800 Yeah, it is. 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:04.760 It is a big deal, and I certainly when I 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:07.840 put this out here, just I want people to realize that, yes, 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:11.799 we do not want any games fixed. However, there are 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:15.679 six thousand men's college basketball games perst season roughly six 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:18.480 thousand a little bit over actually six thousand games, so 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.200 two years. This thing went on for two years, and 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:24.160 the FEDS found that they had manipulated or got kids 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:27.960 to compromise twenty nine of those games. So twenty nine 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:31.440 games and look at a twelve thousand. It's not a lot. 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:33.960 It's too many, right, it's too many. We don't want that. 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:37.360 But saying that we're going to completely eliminate and not 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:40.160 have game fixing, it just kind of flies in the 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:43.760 face of history because college basketball, you can go back 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:47.560 to the nineteen fifties, has always had an issue with 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:51.440 point shaving schemes, and in the nineties it's forged all 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:53.280 the way up into the mid two thousands, all the 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:56.000 way to the legalization of sports betting in twenty eighteen. 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:59.480 About every three to five years you would get a 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:02.240 point shape scale that would pop up. Now, this one 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:07.080 is bigger than all those probably put together. But I 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:09.320 just think that people should before they start going, oh, 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.880 everything is rigged, right, Well, no, not everything is rigged. 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:17.280 A small, very percentage of games college basketball games have 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:20.200 been proven to have been fixed, but it's not a 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:20.760 huge amount. 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:25.120 Talking to David Perdamy covers sports betting for ESPN Chalk 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:29.160 with Stirling on seven hundred WLW. So how did this 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:33.640 end up getting the attention of law enforcement? Because my 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:38.960 guess is all above board betting houses. I mean, they're 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:42.240 going to notice variances in the amount of money on 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:45.400 certain games or certain players. I mean, does this play 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:47.320 into the prop bet question that a lot of people 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:49.520 have talked about too, because I know Ohio has done 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:51.800 a band when it comes to the high school level 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:54.360 because they didn't want that getting into that realm. 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:57.840 Yeah, prop bets weren't a factor in these games. These 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.920 were people that were fixing or asking the players to 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:05.720 fix complete games, point spreads and first halfs. But you 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:09.040 know they did it for a long time. So how 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.480 they figured it out? Again, there's that crossover. There's two 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:17.279 gentlemen defendants that were also implicated and charged in the 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:20.840 NBA betting scandal. Those same two guys were charged yesterday 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:23.760 in this college. So they're part of this gambling ring 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:27.280 that has been targeting sports for quite a while. They 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:31.559 started over with the Chinese Basketball Association way over in China. 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:34.680 They got somea forre NBA players that were over there, 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.560 guys from the US got them to try to compromise 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:40.880 some games and fed them inside information. That started in 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:44.680 about September twenty two, according to the indictment. After that, 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:48.040 before the twenty twenty three college basketball season, they turned 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:51.800 their focus to college basketball and what they did is 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:55.080 recruit kids that they had known. They got a guy 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:57.520 that is part of the fixers, they called him, according 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:01.240 to the FEDS, who trained kids coming up out of 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:05.080 North Carolina, right young basketball players. He reached back out 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:08.960 to kids they knew other connections. They started offering them bribes. 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:12.159 Bribes are ten thousand to thirty thousand dollars according to 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.880 the indictment. Hey we'll give you this in exchange. You 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.040 play poorly in this game right here, so we can 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:18.719 win our bets. 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:22.799 And when it comes down to the integrity of the game, 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:26.760 I mean, as a fan, there's one thing. As a conference, 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:29.480 there's a thing, there's an issue with the school, there's 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:32.920 an issue with the players. There's a question obviously. Also, 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:35.400 I mean pick a place where you do your betting, 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.560 because I mean, their livelihood's also involved in this. And 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:41.039 then everyone else who's throwing money on the line for 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:46.120 any particular game, how does. How do the big betting houses, 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:48.840 whether it's in house, casino or on a phone or 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:52.120 on app or whatever website, how do they navigate this 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:55.039 to make sure that people have trust because this could, 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:59.200 I'm guessing, affect the long term their development in their business. 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.479 I mean people always oh, the bookmakers are in on 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:05.200 it or whatever. No, the bookmakers are who loses when 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:09.200 this stuff happens, right, It's their money that is taken 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:13.280 by these guys. So on the other hand, I don't 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:16.120 think they did themselves very many favors in this scheme 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:19.320 because they took two large e bets on these obscure games, 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:23.039 these twenty nine games have a compromise. It's all small schools, right, 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:28.040 You're talking in Coppin State, Northwestern State. Probly the biggest 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.919 two names were DePaul and too Late, but there were 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:35.240 no big major conference teams. They went after this teams 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:38.320 and the kids that come from these small conferences that 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:42.000 maybe don't get the big nil deals and maybe don't 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.920 have a lot of extra money running around, maybe don't 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.279 think you know what, I'm probably not going to the NBA, 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:49.839 don't have much a professional career, so this is my 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:51.760 chance to get a few Bucks and that's what they did. 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:55.839 Yeah, I mean local news here without being specific, I 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:59.720 think mentioned Northern Kentucky University, which accords us a Horizon League. 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.240 So I mean that sort of fits exactly the qualifiers 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:06.480 that you just mentioned. Talking to David Purdamy covers betting 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:10.880 for sports stuff ESPN chalk with Sterling on seven hundred WLW. 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:15.080 So moving forward then, am I guessing that the NCAA 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.000 and a lot of these schools across the border going 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.160 to be having meetings And I mean the only thing 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:23.680 I can compare this to is Plugola, payola issues or 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:26.360 someone in the business of stocks and stuff where you 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:28.400 have someone come in every year and you have to 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:31.440 take tests and prove that you understand guidelines and rules 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:33.040 and how you go about your business. Is that the 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:34.840 way it works at the college level. 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:38.800 They do the kids do get education, and they do 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:42.200 sign when they sign their letters of intent or their scholarships, 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.480 you know it's honest services. You're going to come out 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:48.360 here and give your best. So there are those things involved. 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:53.480 The problem is that, like I said before, you're never 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:58.080 going to completely eliminate this. Whenever there's huge amounts of 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:01.440 money and these guys were getting down four hundred thousand dollars, 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:03.720 you know, on a series of bet not all one bet, 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:05.640 but they'd spread it out through a bunch of different 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:07.800 sports books, a bunch of accounts, and they get that 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:09.880 much on a game. And if whenever you're able to 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:13.480 do that, there's an incentive to try to pull these schemes. 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:17.280 Of course, until we figure out a way to decrease 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.480 that incentive, it's going to be very difficult to stop 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:21.320 these things completely. 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:23.320 Yeah, I mean, and that's sort of the nature of anything, 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:25.680 I guess dealing with money. But it gets a difference 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:28.120 when it comes to games of skill and somebody saying, 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:30.600 my knee was bothering me, my shot was off or whatever. 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:33.800 I mean, it gets really really uncomfortable for somebody having 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:37.400 to navigate this. How much more challenging, David, And you 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:39.480 may not be able to answer this, but I can't 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:42.520 imagine being a coach or a recruiter and you're going 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:44.480 to high school to high school, or you know, you're 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:47.480 you're dealing with your players in your own conference situation, 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:49.600 and you've got all these different things that you have 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.600 to concern yourself with. Then it's nil and how much 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:54.960 money can we get the team to you know, these players, 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:56.600 to keep a team together or to get a new 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.320 team next season, and then you got to worry about 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.439 outside for us dangling even more money at them, especially 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.280 on that lower rung or you know, not top ten 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:08.480 conference kind of scenarios. I mean, it's it's wild. 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:13.559 It's very, very, very difficult environment right now. It's unfortunate 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.720 because we want these kids to have opportunities. Even if 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.240 they're not going to the major Division one comps, we 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:21.320 still want the kids to play, right, most of these 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:24.240 kids just love to play basketball. And for people that 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:27.959 have nefarious intentions to come get involved and to compromise 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:31.320 and to manipulate these kids, it's disgusting. And I hope 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:34.960 that we get some sort of deterrent factor from this, 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:39.640 where these people serve some jail time and everybody kind 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:41.880 of goes, hey, I don't want to do that. I 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:43.880 don't want to try to get in jail to make 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:47.000 a few bucks off some bets. It just doesn't make sense. 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.319 So I hope we do get a de terres factor 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:50.400 from all these indictments. 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:53.000 You know. The thing also that's interesting. David Perdin from 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:55.920 ESPN shalk on the big one with Stirling is it 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:58.800 wasn't that long ago that we were talking about the 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:05.400 issue of fans and betters harassing players, kids, students and 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:07.760 so forth in the midst of this because they were, 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:10.600 you know, not performing at the level that they expected 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.160 or wanted because it was costing them money. So, I mean, 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.400 from all different vantage points, this has become a much 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:20.240 murkier scenario. Did you expect this on the outside looking 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:22.480 in as this was growing and opening up a little bit. 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:24.240 I mean, I guess it makes sense that it would 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:26.240 just be something that comes part and parcel with the 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:27.199 endeavor that it is. 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:31.680 I certainly thought there would be issues at the college level, 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:35.400 the lower level colleges like we see. I was surprised 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:38.439 that we've seen so many issues in the NBA and 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.600 in Major League Baseball, where you had the two Cleveland 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:46.520 Guardians pitchers indicted on charges that they kind of participated 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:50.200 in some sort of scheme about manipulating individual pitches for 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:53.000 betting purpose. Those guys make a lot of money, right 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:57.560 the preessional athletes million dollars salaries, a million, multimillion dollar salaries, 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:01.160 So I am surprised that they have been willing or 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:04.480 we got themselves into those kinds of situations. I do 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:08.240 think again that there's going to be This is going 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:10.720 to in the long run, it's going to make people 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:14.080 think twice about getting into these types of situations. More 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:17.440 this stuff gets publicized, more they say, hey, this is 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:20.240 not worth it. We're trying to go out there and 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:24.640 fix a few games or whatever. So hopefully society will. 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:27.440 Start to adjust to the new atmosphere that we have 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:31.680 where gambling is everywhere, sports betting is everywhere, but you 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.080 still can do it responsibly and not you know, with 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:35.480 nefarious intentions. 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:37.800 Yeah, I think that makes sense now in short order, 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:40.679 because we appreciate you making time. David Bernin from espnschalk 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:43.040 with Sterling on the big one. I'm always curious about this, 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:46.520 the growth of the industry, and we've talked about it. 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.000 What is the dominoes of fallen state by state from 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:53.120 Ohio across the country. How have those numbers done in 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:54.880 the last six months to a year. Have we seen 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:58.080 continued growth? Are anything sort of abating with this or 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.560 is it just still all you know, full on gas go. 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:04.920 Yeah, it is still continuing to grow month after month 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:08.080 when the states report their numbers on how much is 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:11.439 wagered and how much the sports big wins. It continues 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.480 to grow, and now we have different sides of the 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.040 market where we got these prediction markets and those kind 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:19.960 of like a stock market for sports. Those are kind 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:23.520 of working outside of the traditional state by state regulations. 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:27.160 They say they're working under the CFTC, the federal guidelines 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:29.920 they're offering and there's a lot of money being traded 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:33.920 on sports outcomes and those things. So yeah, we're continuing 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:37.480 to grow, and we still do not have full legalization 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:41.200 in the biggest states Texas is in your California's. Once 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:44.920 those come on board, markets can almost double. So we're 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:48.040 not to the peak yet, but we're growing. 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:51.800 It's pretty interesting, and you think about just overall with 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:57.520 the growth of it, it's astounding that it continues to 0:12:57.559 --> 0:12:59.600 have all of this. I appreciate you doing what you do. 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:01.960 It's all was fascinating and I just you know, people 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:04.760 should be able to be free to bet and do 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:06.959 what they want, and you just hope it's all above board, 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:10.280 and I guess we'll see what the penalties are and 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:13.240 if things change. Thanks for making time. You can see 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:17.320 him everywhere now, especially and certainly hear him and read him. 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:20.679 ESPN Chalks David pergam Was Sterling on seven hundred WLUB. 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:22.320 You take care of yourself, managery the rest of your 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:23.040 weekend and thank. 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:25.800 You, thank you you two night for a whole. 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:31.319 Lot of people. Seven hundred WLW Sterling Hanging, Joe Waddell Producing, 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:34.160 Matt Reese Wood News, Kevin Carr, Silver Gecko on the 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.680 substack with us as well house everything. Does it feel 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:39.000 like the weekend, do you? Kevin Carr, Well. 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:40.880 Finally, yeah, Yeah, that's what I've been waiting for the 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.320 whole time. Even write a song about it. Everyone's working 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:46.880 for the weekend. Come on, and you're working on the weekend. 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:47.760 What's going on? Man? 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:51.600 I don't know. It's just my life as I know it. 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.520 I look to you for guidance and help and assistance, 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:56.760 and all you're doing is rubbing my nose in and 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:58.080 I don't think I like it at all. 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:00.439 Well, I don't know. I'm just trying to get you 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:01.240 to better yourself. 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:06.160 I'm glad I'm trying so hard for so long. I'm trying. 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:06.680 I'm trying. 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:07.280 I hear it. 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:11.720 Yeah, yeah, I know. I appreciate you making time as always. 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:15.520 Now I want to for those who are uninitiated, your 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:18.559 silver gecko on the substack, you were fat guys at 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:21.160 the movies. We've done the Chubby and Stick podcast, which 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:24.160 is still out there someplace. In some fashion. You do 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:29.800 other things. You do comics, you tell and write stories. 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:33.760 You will deliver stuff to people's inboxes a mailbox, not 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:35.960 in person. I mean, you don't work for the postal service, 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.280 but I mean that's what the silver gecko on the 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:39.360 substack is part of that. 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:42.160 Yes, And I'm not going to deliver a package and 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:43.320 put it like right in front of the door so 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:46.320 you can't open the door either. That's it all comes virtually. Yeah, 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:50.240 the substack is basically it showcases some of the stuff 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:52.960 I do, which involves a weekly cartoon I do with 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.160 my son. They're very funny. You should check them out. 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:57.920 They're called the Blockheads. I do a short story flash 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:01.480 fiction less than ninety nine words and then or or 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.560 ninety nine words or less. I also do my movie 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:07.960 reviews on there, and I do excerpts from my stuff. 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.720 I've written books and anthologies and that sort of thing. 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:12.120 So there's a lot of stuff, and you know, even 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:15.080 chubbing Stick shows up there every now and then I've 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.760 dropped an episode or two into the feed for that. 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:19.360 Well, i'll have to talk off here about Like I said, 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.680 somebody asked me about that, about re releasing some of this, 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:24.040 so I don't know how that works, but we'll discuss 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:28.440 that at another time. What I am curious about also 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.880 is there was twenty eight days Later, there was twenty 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:35.480 eight weeks later. There was more than twenty eight weeks 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:38.280 between those releases. Then there was the twenty eight years later, 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:40.480 and that was a whole lot of weight. And then 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:43.160 now there's a new twenty eight years that the Bone Temple. 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.120 I don't understand what's going on now. 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:48.800 Well, well, okay, so like twenty eight Days Later was 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.440 essentially a lot of people call it a zombie movie. 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.320 Came out in two thousand and three. I think it's 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:56.480 not really a zombie movie as much as a it's 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.400 a virus that causes this rage effect in people, but 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.440 they act like zombies. Yeah, the best way to describe it. So, yeah, 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:05.640 it's a zombie movie even though they're not dead. And 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.560 that's what Twenty eight Days Later a brilliant movie by 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:10.240 Danny Boyle. You should check it out if you've not 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.280 seen it. Then a couple of years later they did 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:14.880 twenty eight weeks later, which was about them because it 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:16.960 takes place in the Scottish Highlands and they were able 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:22.440 to isolate it there, but it was then getting another 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:25.560 outbreak from that because they thought it was they figured 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:28.400 by this point all the all the quote unquote zombies 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:31.800 will have starved to death, but bad things happened. That 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:33.560 was not directed by Danny Boyle, and then he came 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.720 back just last year and did twenty eight years later, 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:39.720 and it's not quite twenty eight years from when they 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:41.000 made it, but it's pretty. 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.240 Close, which is really disturbing. 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:45.520 By the way, I know, kind of terrifying. Yeah, it's 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:48.520 I think it's been what twenty two twenty three years, 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.720 so now in the twenty eight years later, it was 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:55.440 about this small commune that lives on this island off 0:16:55.480 --> 0:17:00.360 the Scottish Highland coast and then kind of come back 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:02.880 into Scotland to try and find things, but they're dealing 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:05.280 with all these creatures in the woods and bad things happen. 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:07.960 And they did a sequel to it that sort of 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:11.119 fleshes out this story with some of the characters, one 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:14.920 of them played by Ray Fines and did essentially a sequel. 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:18.080 They must have had that thing queued up, because I 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:21.920 think twenty eight years later came out like in I 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:25.640 want to say, like August or July, and they had 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.320 this one ready to go this week. It's directed by 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:31.680 Nia da Costa, and she did movies like she did 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:34.679 a Candy Man reboot a couple of years ago, she 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:36.520 did the Marvels, And I know a lot of people 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:38.399 kind of turn the nose up at that, but that 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:40.640 you know that she was a hired gun for that one, 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:44.200 you know, doing doing a Marvel movie. But she's got 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:48.280 her roots in horror and disturbing stuff. So that's what 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:50.960 this twenty eight weeks or excuse me, twenty eight years later, 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:54.879 The Bone Temple is about. It follows this kid from 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:58.880 the previous film who ended up getting sort of rescued 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:02.720 in quotes by this satanic cult that believes that the 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:08.680 creatures are basically Satan's wrath on earth and they're doing 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:11.359 really bad things. And then they run into a fine 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:14.600 character from the first film, who's this doctor who looks 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:17.520 insane but he really knows what he's doing. And it 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:21.199 kind of fleshes out those stories very well done, But 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:26.520 let me tell you it's disturbing. It's a disturbing horror 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:28.720 movie through and through, and there's a lot of unpleasant stuff. 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:31.480 So I don't want you to think it's just, you know, 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:36.800 this lighthearted, this sort of horror movie romper even meant 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:38.280 to be tongue in cheek. It's not even like a 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:41.520 terror fier movie, which they can be violent, but they 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:44.199 can also be kind of silly at times. Know, this 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:46.919 one's deadly serious and it's not for the week of 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:48.520 stomach or the week of heart, let's just put it 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:49.520 that way. But it's well made. 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:51.760 Now comparabile. You're talking to Kemic Carr, by the way, 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:55.879 he is silver Gecko on Stubstack about this new Bone 0:18:55.960 --> 0:19:00.480 Temple movie. The twenty eight years later sort of canuation 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:04.560 if you will. So is this the most disturbing of 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:08.400 the other twenty eight days weeks years movies? 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:11.720 Well, well, certainly twenty eight days later and twenty eight 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:16.880 weeks later. We're both the bad guy was the zombies 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:20.760 so to speak to Yeah, that does with the bad 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:24.679 guys in this one and in a little bit of 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:27.120 the last. The most previous both twenty eight years later ones, 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:30.000 the bad guys are the humans that are left alive. 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.280 You know, you've got this satanic cult running around doing 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:35.280 really disturbing. I mean, I have a friend in New 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:39.320 York who was he was talking about there are people 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:41.399 walking out of the screening because it has some very 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:45.879 unpleasant stuff. You know, it just don't warn you. 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:48.280 It's like that doesn't happen regularly. 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:53.720 No, I mean it does, but it's like it's it's 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:57.880 kind of like sort of like the mainstream American horror. Yes, 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:01.439 it can be gory and grow, but it's in the 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:03.840 sort of a slasher sort of way. You know. No 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:06.960 one ever really took the Friday the Thirteenth movies or 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:11.639 Nightmare on Elm Street or Halloween movies as being anything 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:14.800 that's really kind of viscerally real. They're all kind of 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:19.120 cartoonish in their own way. This is, you know, very disturbing, 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:23.360 you know, and and I don't know if it's for everybody. 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:26.320 That would be my big caution for it, because I 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:28.680 was uncomfortable watching some of it because I'm just like, yeah, 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:31.200 I don't mean to see this. But it does pay off, 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:32.840 you know, as you get through the rest of the movie. 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:35.040 All right, So it sounds actually interesting. I don't know 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:38.439 if I'm ready to be traumatized. How many movies do 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:40.800