Speaker 1: It's the weekend Sterling back seven hundred WLW, guy who
Speaker 1: knows from betting in sports for ESPN chalk. You may
Speaker 1: have even seen him all over TV the last couple
Speaker 1: of days. I know I have David Purdham. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 2: How are you man, I'm doing great, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: You know, usually I'm here to talk about like odds
Speaker 1: for a World Series or a Super Bowl or maybe
Speaker 1: some like Final Four action. But occasionally in the midst
Speaker 1: of sports betting things come up. But a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago was the NBA thing. We've talked about point
Speaker 1: shaving and stuff like that too. The last couple of
Speaker 1: days it's been in the NCAA basketball sort of realm,
Speaker 1: if you will, Can you break down in short order
Speaker 1: what exactly has transpired and where we are now sitting
Speaker 1: in the midst of what continues to be I guess
Speaker 1: an evolving story and court proceeding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so. Yesterday federal authorities in the Eastern District
Speaker 2: of Pennsylvania unsealed a seventy page indictment that outlined a
Speaker 2: point shavings that had been going on for the previous
Speaker 2: two seasons. Thirty twenty six people were indicted. Thirty nine
Speaker 2: was a thirty nine games, some of the twenty five
Speaker 2: games something around there dozens of games. Seventeen college teams
Speaker 2: had players on there that had been impacted. And this
Speaker 2: thing went on for two years. It was a gambling
Speaker 2: ring that has some crossover to the people that were
Speaker 2: involved in the NBA betting scandals from earlier. This fall
Speaker 2: their last ball, I should say, So, yeah, that's where
Speaker 2: we're at right now.
Speaker 1: It's ugly, it really is so. David Purdam from ESPN
Speaker 1: Chalk was sterling on the big one. So when you
Speaker 1: think about the sheer number of colleges and universities playing
Speaker 1: basketball competitively across the United States, I mean, how many
Speaker 1: student athletes and how many schools are involved. To say
Speaker 1: that twenty or twenty five particular games or teams and
Speaker 1: twenty students seems really small. But when it comes to
Speaker 1: the integrity of the game, it's a pretty big deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2: It is a big deal, and I certainly when I
Speaker 2: put this out here, just I want people to realize that, yes,
Speaker 2: we do not want any games fixed. However, there are
Speaker 2: six thousand men's college basketball games perst season roughly six
Speaker 2: thousand a little bit over actually six thousand games, so
Speaker 2: two years. This thing went on for two years, and
Speaker 2: the FEDS found that they had manipulated or got kids
Speaker 2: to compromise twenty nine of those games. So twenty nine
Speaker 2: games and look at a twelve thousand. It's not a lot.
Speaker 2: It's too many, right, it's too many. We don't want that.
Speaker 2: But saying that we're going to completely eliminate and not
Speaker 2: have game fixing, it just kind of flies in the
Speaker 2: face of history because college basketball, you can go back
Speaker 2: to the nineteen fifties, has always had an issue with
Speaker 2: point shaving schemes, and in the nineties it's forged all
Speaker 2: the way up into the mid two thousands, all the
Speaker 2: way to the legalization of sports betting in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: About every three to five years you would get a
Speaker 2: point shape scale that would pop up. Now, this one
Speaker 2: is bigger than all those probably put together. But I
Speaker 2: just think that people should before they start going, oh,
Speaker 2: everything is rigged, right, Well, no, not everything is rigged.
Speaker 2: A small, very percentage of games college basketball games have
Speaker 2: been proven to have been fixed, but it's not a
Speaker 2: huge amount.
Speaker 1: Talking to David Perdamy covers sports betting for ESPN Chalk
Speaker 1: with Stirling on seven hundred WLW. So how did this
Speaker 1: end up getting the attention of law enforcement? Because my
Speaker 1: guess is all above board betting houses. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: going to notice variances in the amount of money on
Speaker 1: certain games or certain players. I mean, does this play
Speaker 1: into the prop bet question that a lot of people
Speaker 1: have talked about too, because I know Ohio has done
Speaker 1: a band when it comes to the high school level
Speaker 1: because they didn't want that getting into that realm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, prop bets weren't a factor in these games. These
Speaker 2: were people that were fixing or asking the players to
Speaker 2: fix complete games, point spreads and first halfs. But you
Speaker 2: know they did it for a long time. So how
Speaker 2: they figured it out? Again, there's that crossover. There's two
Speaker 2: gentlemen defendants that were also implicated and charged in the
Speaker 2: NBA betting scandal. Those same two guys were charged yesterday
Speaker 2: in this college. So they're part of this gambling ring
Speaker 2: that has been targeting sports for quite a while. They
Speaker 2: started over with the Chinese Basketball Association way over in China.
Speaker 2: They got somea forre NBA players that were over there,
Speaker 2: guys from the US got them to try to compromise
Speaker 2: some games and fed them inside information. That started in
Speaker 2: about September twenty two, according to the indictment. After that,
Speaker 2: before the twenty twenty three college basketball season, they turned
Speaker 2: their focus to college basketball and what they did is
Speaker 2: recruit kids that they had known. They got a guy
Speaker 2: that is part of the fixers, they called him, according
Speaker 2: to the FEDS, who trained kids coming up out of
Speaker 2: North Carolina, right young basketball players. He reached back out
Speaker 2: to kids they knew other connections. They started offering them bribes.
Speaker 2: Bribes are ten thousand to thirty thousand dollars according to
Speaker 2: the indictment. Hey we'll give you this in exchange. You
Speaker 2: play poorly in this game right here, so we can
Speaker 2: win our bets.
Speaker 1: And when it comes down to the integrity of the game,
Speaker 1: I mean, as a fan, there's one thing. As a conference,
Speaker 1: there's a thing, there's an issue with the school, there's
Speaker 1: an issue with the players. There's a question obviously. Also,
Speaker 1: I mean pick a place where you do your betting,
Speaker 1: because I mean, their livelihood's also involved in this. And
Speaker 1: then everyone else who's throwing money on the line for
Speaker 1: any particular game, how does. How do the big betting houses,
Speaker 1: whether it's in house, casino or on a phone or
Speaker 1: on app or whatever website, how do they navigate this
Speaker 1: to make sure that people have trust because this could,
Speaker 1: I'm guessing, affect the long term their development in their business.
Speaker 2: I mean people always oh, the bookmakers are in on
Speaker 2: it or whatever. No, the bookmakers are who loses when
Speaker 2: this stuff happens, right, It's their money that is taken
Speaker 2: by these guys. So on the other hand, I don't
Speaker 2: think they did themselves very many favors in this scheme
Speaker 2: because they took two large e bets on these obscure games,
Speaker 2: these twenty nine games have a compromise. It's all small schools, right,
Speaker 2: You're talking in Coppin State, Northwestern State. Probly the biggest
Speaker 2: two names were DePaul and too Late, but there were
Speaker 2: no big major conference teams. They went after this teams
Speaker 2: and the kids that come from these small conferences that
Speaker 2: maybe don't get the big nil deals and maybe don't
Speaker 2: have a lot of extra money running around, maybe don't
Speaker 2: think you know what, I'm probably not going to the NBA,
Speaker 2: don't have much a professional career, so this is my
Speaker 2: chance to get a few Bucks and that's what they did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean local news here without being specific, I
Speaker 1: think mentioned Northern Kentucky University, which accords us a Horizon League.
Speaker 1: So I mean that sort of fits exactly the qualifiers
Speaker 1: that you just mentioned. Talking to David Purdamy covers betting
Speaker 1: for sports stuff ESPN chalk with Sterling on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 1: So moving forward then, am I guessing that the NCAA
Speaker 1: and a lot of these schools across the border going
Speaker 1: to be having meetings And I mean the only thing
Speaker 1: I can compare this to is Plugola, payola issues or
Speaker 1: someone in the business of stocks and stuff where you
Speaker 1: have someone come in every year and you have to
Speaker 1: take tests and prove that you understand guidelines and rules
Speaker 1: and how you go about your business. Is that the
Speaker 1: way it works at the college level.
Speaker 2: They do the kids do get education, and they do
Speaker 2: sign when they sign their letters of intent or their scholarships,
Speaker 2: you know it's honest services. You're going to come out
Speaker 2: here and give your best. So there are those things involved.
Speaker 2: The problem is that, like I said before, you're never
Speaker 2: going to completely eliminate this. Whenever there's huge amounts of
Speaker 2: money and these guys were getting down four hundred thousand dollars,
Speaker 2: you know, on a series of bet not all one bet,
Speaker 2: but they'd spread it out through a bunch of different
Speaker 2: sports books, a bunch of accounts, and they get that
Speaker 2: much on a game. And if whenever you're able to
Speaker 2: do that, there's an incentive to try to pull these schemes.
Speaker 2: Of course, until we figure out a way to decrease
Speaker 2: that incentive, it's going to be very difficult to stop
Speaker 2: these things completely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and that's sort of the nature of anything,
Speaker 1: I guess dealing with money. But it gets a difference
Speaker 1: when it comes to games of skill and somebody saying,
Speaker 1: my knee was bothering me, my shot was off or whatever.
Speaker 1: I mean, it gets really really uncomfortable for somebody having
Speaker 1: to navigate this. How much more challenging, David, And you
Speaker 1: may not be able to answer this, but I can't
Speaker 1: imagine being a coach or a recruiter and you're going
Speaker 1: to high school to high school, or you know, you're
Speaker 1: you're dealing with your players in your own conference situation,
Speaker 1: and you've got all these different things that you have
Speaker 1: to concern yourself with. Then it's nil and how much
Speaker 1: money can we get the team to you know, these players,
Speaker 1: to keep a team together or to get a new
Speaker 1: team next season, and then you got to worry about
Speaker 1: outside for us dangling even more money at them, especially
Speaker 1: on that lower rung or you know, not top ten
Speaker 1: conference kind of scenarios. I mean, it's it's wild.
Speaker 2: It's very, very, very difficult environment right now. It's unfortunate
Speaker 2: because we want these kids to have opportunities. Even if
Speaker 2: they're not going to the major Division one comps, we
Speaker 2: still want the kids to play, right, most of these
Speaker 2: kids just love to play basketball. And for people that
Speaker 2: have nefarious intentions to come get involved and to compromise
Speaker 2: and to manipulate these kids, it's disgusting. And I hope
Speaker 2: that we get some sort of deterrent factor from this,
Speaker 2: where these people serve some jail time and everybody kind
Speaker 2: of goes, hey, I don't want to do that. I
Speaker 2: don't want to try to get in jail to make
Speaker 2: a few bucks off some bets. It just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: So I hope we do get a de terres factor
Speaker 2: from all these indictments.
Speaker 1: You know. The thing also that's interesting. David Perdin from
Speaker 1: ESPN shalk on the big one with Stirling is it
Speaker 1: wasn't that long ago that we were talking about the
Speaker 1: issue of fans and betters harassing players, kids, students and
Speaker 1: so forth in the midst of this because they were,
Speaker 1: you know, not performing at the level that they expected
Speaker 1: or wanted because it was costing them money. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: from all different vantage points, this has become a much
Speaker 1: murkier scenario. Did you expect this on the outside looking
Speaker 1: in as this was growing and opening up a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it makes sense that it would
Speaker 1: just be something that comes part and parcel with the
Speaker 1: endeavor that it is.
Speaker 2: I certainly thought there would be issues at the college level,
Speaker 2: the lower level colleges like we see. I was surprised
Speaker 2: that we've seen so many issues in the NBA and
Speaker 2: in Major League Baseball, where you had the two Cleveland
Speaker 2: Guardians pitchers indicted on charges that they kind of participated
Speaker 2: in some sort of scheme about manipulating individual pitches for
Speaker 2: betting purpose. Those guys make a lot of money, right
Speaker 2: the preessional athletes million dollars salaries, a million, multimillion dollar salaries,
Speaker 2: So I am surprised that they have been willing or
Speaker 2: we got themselves into those kinds of situations. I do
Speaker 2: think again that there's going to be This is going
Speaker 2: to in the long run, it's going to make people
Speaker 2: think twice about getting into these types of situations. More
Speaker 2: this stuff gets publicized, more they say, hey, this is
Speaker 2: not worth it. We're trying to go out there and
Speaker 2: fix a few games or whatever. So hopefully society will.
Speaker 4: Start to adjust to the new atmosphere that we have
Speaker 4: where gambling is everywhere, sports betting is everywhere, but you
Speaker 4: still can do it responsibly and not you know, with
Speaker 4: nefarious intentions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that makes sense now in short order,
Speaker 1: because we appreciate you making time. David Bernin from espnschalk
Speaker 1: with Sterling on the big one. I'm always curious about this,
Speaker 1: the growth of the industry, and we've talked about it.
Speaker 1: What is the dominoes of fallen state by state from
Speaker 1: Ohio across the country. How have those numbers done in
Speaker 1: the last six months to a year. Have we seen
Speaker 1: continued growth? Are anything sort of abating with this or
Speaker 1: is it just still all you know, full on gas go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is still continuing to grow month after month
Speaker 2: when the states report their numbers on how much is
Speaker 2: wagered and how much the sports big wins. It continues
Speaker 2: to grow, and now we have different sides of the
Speaker 2: market where we got these prediction markets and those kind
Speaker 2: of like a stock market for sports. Those are kind
Speaker 2: of working outside of the traditional state by state regulations.
Speaker 2: They say they're working under the CFTC, the federal guidelines
Speaker 2: they're offering and there's a lot of money being traded
Speaker 2: on sports outcomes and those things. So yeah, we're continuing
Speaker 2: to grow, and we still do not have full legalization
Speaker 2: in the biggest states Texas is in your California's. Once
Speaker 2: those come on board, markets can almost double. So we're
Speaker 2: not to the peak yet, but we're growing.
Speaker 1: It's pretty interesting, and you think about just overall with
Speaker 1: the growth of it, it's astounding that it continues to
Speaker 1: have all of this. I appreciate you doing what you do.
Speaker 1: It's all was fascinating and I just you know, people
Speaker 1: should be able to be free to bet and do
Speaker 1: what they want, and you just hope it's all above board,
Speaker 1: and I guess we'll see what the penalties are and
Speaker 1: if things change. Thanks for making time. You can see
Speaker 1: him everywhere now, especially and certainly hear him and read him.
Speaker 1: ESPN Chalks David pergam Was Sterling on seven hundred WLUB.
Speaker 1: You take care of yourself, managery the rest of your
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Speaker 2: You, thank you you two night for a whole.
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Speaker 6: I hear it.
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Speaker 5: Yes, And I'm not going to deliver a package and
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Speaker 5: you can't open the door either. That's it all comes virtually. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Well, i'll have to talk off here about Like I said,
Speaker 1: somebody asked me about that, about re releasing some of this,
Speaker 1: so I don't know how that works, but we'll discuss
Speaker 1: that at another time. What I am curious about also
Speaker 1: is there was twenty eight days Later, there was twenty
Speaker 1: eight weeks later. There was more than twenty eight weeks
Speaker 1: between those releases. Then there was the twenty eight years later,
Speaker 1: and that was a whole lot of weight. And then
Speaker 1: now there's a new twenty eight years that the Bone Temple.
Speaker 1: I don't understand what's going on now.
Speaker 5: Well, well, okay, so like twenty eight Days Later was
Speaker 5: essentially a lot of people call it a zombie movie.
Speaker 5: Came out in two thousand and three. I think it's
Speaker 5: not really a zombie movie as much as a it's
Speaker 5: a virus that causes this rage effect in people, but
Speaker 5: they act like zombies. Yeah, the best way to describe it. So, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's a zombie movie even though they're not dead. And
Speaker 5: that's what Twenty eight Days Later a brilliant movie by
Speaker 5: Danny Boyle. You should check it out if you've not
Speaker 5: seen it. Then a couple of years later they did
Speaker 5: twenty eight weeks later, which was about them because it
Speaker 5: takes place in the Scottish Highlands and they were able
Speaker 5: to isolate it there, but it was then getting another
Speaker 5: outbreak from that because they thought it was they figured
Speaker 5: by this point all the all the quote unquote zombies
Speaker 5: will have starved to death, but bad things happened. That
Speaker 5: was not directed by Danny Boyle, and then he came
Speaker 5: back just last year and did twenty eight years later,
Speaker 5: and it's not quite twenty eight years from when they
Speaker 5: made it, but it's pretty.
Speaker 1: Close, which is really disturbing.
Speaker 5: By the way, I know, kind of terrifying. Yeah, it's
Speaker 5: I think it's been what twenty two twenty three years,
Speaker 5: so now in the twenty eight years later, it was
Speaker 5: about this small commune that lives on this island off
Speaker 5: the Scottish Highland coast and then kind of come back
Speaker 5: into Scotland to try and find things, but they're dealing
Speaker 5: with all these creatures in the woods and bad things happen.
Speaker 5: And they did a sequel to it that sort of
Speaker 5: fleshes out this story with some of the characters, one
Speaker 5: of them played by Ray Fines and did essentially a sequel.
Speaker 5: They must have had that thing queued up, because I
Speaker 5: think twenty eight years later came out like in I
Speaker 5: want to say, like August or July, and they had
Speaker 5: this one ready to go this week. It's directed by
Speaker 5: Nia da Costa, and she did movies like she did
Speaker 5: a Candy Man reboot a couple of years ago, she
Speaker 5: did the Marvels, And I know a lot of people
Speaker 5: kind of turn the nose up at that, but that
Speaker 5: you know that she was a hired gun for that one,
Speaker 5: you know, doing doing a Marvel movie. But she's got
Speaker 5: her roots in horror and disturbing stuff. So that's what
Speaker 5: this twenty eight weeks or excuse me, twenty eight years later,
Speaker 5: The Bone Temple is about. It follows this kid from
Speaker 5: the previous film who ended up getting sort of rescued
Speaker 5: in quotes by this satanic cult that believes that the
Speaker 5: creatures are basically Satan's wrath on earth and they're doing
Speaker 5: really bad things. And then they run into a fine
Speaker 5: character from the first film, who's this doctor who looks
Speaker 5: insane but he really knows what he's doing. And it
Speaker 5: kind of fleshes out those stories very well done, But
Speaker 5: let me tell you it's disturbing. It's a disturbing horror
Speaker 5: movie through and through, and there's a lot of unpleasant stuff.
Speaker 5: So I don't want you to think it's just, you know,
Speaker 5: this lighthearted, this sort of horror movie romper even meant
Speaker 5: to be tongue in cheek. It's not even like a
Speaker 5: terror fier movie, which they can be violent, but they
Speaker 5: can also be kind of silly at times. Know, this
Speaker 5: one's deadly serious and it's not for the week of
Speaker 5: stomach or the week of heart, let's just put it
Speaker 5: that way. But it's well made.
Speaker 1: Now comparabile. You're talking to Kemic Carr, by the way,
Speaker 1: he is silver Gecko on Stubstack about this new Bone
Speaker 1: Temple movie. The twenty eight years later sort of canuation
Speaker 1: if you will. So is this the most disturbing of
Speaker 1: the other twenty eight days weeks years movies?
Speaker 5: Well, well, certainly twenty eight days later and twenty eight
Speaker 5: weeks later. We're both the bad guy was the zombies
Speaker 5: so to speak to Yeah, that does with the bad
Speaker 5: guys in this one and in a little bit of
Speaker 5: the last. The most previous both twenty eight years later ones,
Speaker 5: the bad guys are the humans that are left alive.
Speaker 5: You know, you've got this satanic cult running around doing
Speaker 5: really disturbing. I mean, I have a friend in New
Speaker 5: York who was he was talking about there are people
Speaker 5: walking out of the screening because it has some very
Speaker 5: unpleasant stuff. You know, it just don't warn you.
Speaker 1: It's like that doesn't happen regularly.
Speaker 5: No, I mean it does, but it's like it's it's
Speaker 5: kind of like sort of like the mainstream American horror. Yes,
Speaker 5: it can be gory and grow, but it's in the
Speaker 5: sort of a slasher sort of way. You know. No
Speaker 5: one ever really took the Friday the Thirteenth movies or
Speaker 5: Nightmare on Elm Street or Halloween movies as being anything
Speaker 5: that's really kind of viscerally real. They're all kind of
Speaker 5: cartoonish in their own way. This is, you know, very disturbing,
Speaker 5: you know, and and I don't know if it's for everybody.
Speaker 5: That would be my big caution for it, because I
Speaker 5: was uncomfortable watching some of it because I'm just like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't mean to see this. But it does pay off,
Speaker 5: you know, as you get through the rest of the movie.
Speaker 1: All right, So it sounds actually interesting. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm ready to be traumatized. How many movies do
Speaker 1: you think have traumatized you over the years.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean it depends. I mean something like I've
Speaker 5: always I've talked several times on this show about seeing
Speaker 5: Invasion of the Body Snatchers that the kid that sticks
Speaker 5: with you. But for me, what traumatizes me? And I
Speaker 5: don't I'm using trauma pretty pretty loosely here. I'm not
Speaker 5: going to war or anything like that. But something that
Speaker 5: gets under your skin and it disturbs you. Usually it's
Speaker 5: got to be something real. Gotta be something where somebody's
Speaker 5: doing something really objectively harmful and being okay with it,
Speaker 5: you know, And it's usually something real crimes. If you've
Speaker 5: got a were wolf eeding somebody, I could watch that
Speaker 5: all day, because I mean, we don't have wear.
Speaker 1: Wolves that well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe there are, who knows, But but you know,
Speaker 5: like like home Invasion things that those kind of things.
Speaker 5: I'm not a big fan of those movies. I also,
Speaker 5: and I gotta put this on the record, when somebody
Speaker 5: says to me, I've had people say, oh, you should
Speaker 5: see this movie. It's brutal, or you should see this movie.
Speaker 5: It wrecked me, and I'm like, why do I want
Speaker 5: to see that? Why don't I want to see a
Speaker 5: movie that makes me feel awful. I'd rather watch something,
Speaker 5: you know, fun or not uplifting. I'm not like trying
Speaker 5: to say everything needs to be Mayberry movies, but you know,
Speaker 5: you have some fun with it. I just I can't
Speaker 5: stand the ones that it's just like, we just want
Speaker 5: to make you cry and suffer for like two hours.
Speaker 1: Like Human Centipede. There was nothing. I don't know if
Speaker 1: there was anything positive about that movie other than it
Speaker 1: was disturbing. I mean, I don't know how they got
Speaker 1: that movie made, or though they made more than one
Speaker 1: of those EP.
Speaker 5: Well, first of all, it was like a European production
Speaker 5: and Tom six did it, and I can't remember what
Speaker 5: country he did in, but it was somewhere in Europe,
Speaker 5: and it was at the time. This was when the
Speaker 5: first Human Centipede came out. There was seems there seemed
Speaker 5: to be this game going on with horror filmmakers's to
Speaker 5: who could make the most disturbing movie. And for a
Speaker 5: while there was Takashimi Iki's stuff like Ichi the Killer
Speaker 5: or then they're they're doing. Then you had Martyrs coming out,
Speaker 5: which was a French movie that's pretty intense. And then
Speaker 5: and then Human Centipede's like, oh wait minute, and then
Speaker 5: and then the Serbian films like Hold My Beer and
Speaker 5: kind of topped everything off, and it kind of ended.
Speaker 5: I can't even tell you on the radio what a
Speaker 5: Serbian film is about. But it was so extreme in
Speaker 5: order to be real, at least in America, they had
Speaker 5: to make cuts to get an NC seventeen rating. That's
Speaker 5: like the worst rating you could get. There's nothing higher
Speaker 5: than that. But they wouldn't even grant it an NC
Speaker 5: seventeen rating until they made some cuts.
Speaker 1: Now to bring up the rating thing. By the way,
Speaker 1: Kevin Carr silver Gecko on Substeck was sterling on the
Speaker 1: big one. So the rating system, it's a very odd,
Speaker 1: arbitrary sort of circumstance. Other countries have their own ratings thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much of that plays into anything
Speaker 1: that's streaming these days, because nothing has to be approved
Speaker 1: for streaming, right, But it is about going to the
Speaker 1: theater and having it projected on a screen in public.
Speaker 5: Correct, Well, it's it's because it's part of the emotion
Speaker 5: bigger Association of America the MPAA or the MPa I
Speaker 5: think is what it's called now. That's sort of like
Speaker 5: they in this in the seventies sometime they basically there
Speaker 5: was always throughout the since the beginning a film, there
Speaker 5: were people trying to ban certain films and trying to
Speaker 5: restrict what can be played, and so the Motion Picture
Speaker 5: Association basically made its own self governing thing where they
Speaker 5: have these people watching it and then they'd self rate them.
Speaker 5: There's no no legal or governmental in control in this.
Speaker 5: It's just the people in who make the movies did it.
Speaker 5: But you're right, that was so they could be released
Speaker 5: in theaters and then they were sort of like granted,
Speaker 5: oh it's a g rated thing, so most movie theaters
Speaker 5: will play it and then play PG movies. Once you
Speaker 5: started getting above R, which was originally X and then
Speaker 5: became NC seventeen in the eighties or early nineties, that
Speaker 5: was those are the ones that like certain theaters wouldn't
Speaker 5: show because of like community standards. So it was it
Speaker 5: was self in put on. And there are a lot
Speaker 5: of movies that were released underneath it that just were unrated,
Speaker 5: you know, movies like Cannibal Holocaust, or you know, like
Speaker 5: last house on the left of those got got got
Speaker 5: a rating because they just knew him. They just played
Speaker 5: at independent movie houses and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: And that was sort of the drawl in effect. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was not drastically different than say the nineties, I
Speaker 1: guess the late eighties when it became the parental advisory
Speaker 1: sticker on CDs. If people can remember compact disc or
Speaker 1: records or even tapes, I guess we're sort of going
Speaker 1: away at that point.
Speaker 5: See, that was that was like think in the in
Speaker 5: the nineties because it was it was Tipper Gore of
Speaker 5: all people that was, oh yeah, that was spearheading that
Speaker 5: as the second lady. So it would have been like
Speaker 5: ninety two, ninety three, ninety four I think was when
Speaker 5: that was going on. And of course there's a great
Speaker 5: thing with Frank Zappa, that being he testified to Congress
Speaker 5: about it. And of course Frank Zapper was he was smarter.
Speaker 5: He was always the smartest guy in the room, and
Speaker 5: he knew how to approach it and and and make
Speaker 5: it look ridiculous.
Speaker 1: D Snyder from Twisted Sister the same thing, and people
Speaker 1: were sort of shocked to come in there looking like wackos. Oh,
Speaker 1: these are hard rock guys. You don't know anything, and
Speaker 1: they did. They they literally just shut the room up
Speaker 1: because they made too much sense, which was kind of
Speaker 1: nice and gratifying.
Speaker 5: So you're right streaming as no, there's no thing, and
Speaker 5: like HBO, Well HBO was playing that game before, you know,
Speaker 5: before really streaming came on, because they were doing it
Speaker 5: with Game of Thrones. There's stuffing Game of Thrones that
Speaker 5: you'd never get released in the movie theater.
Speaker 1: No, I'm still traumatized. Well, you know, a little bit
Speaker 1: wholesome and innocent, don't you know? It was all for researchers.
Speaker 1: All it's all h Is there anything else coming out
Speaker 1: that we should be looking forward to besides what's already
Speaker 1: out there? Now the twenty eight years later? Now Bone?
Speaker 1: Uh what is it called Bone?
Speaker 5: Bone Temple?
Speaker 1: Can't want to say Bone City or Bone Town, which
Speaker 1: is something else. I don't know what that is, but
Speaker 1: it just sounds bad. Bone Temple.
Speaker 5: Just just go randomly start asking people, Hey, do you
Speaker 5: want to go to Bone?
Speaker 1: No, I don't want to do. No, nothing good's gonna.
Speaker 7: Come for that.
Speaker 5: I dare you, I know, I know only if you're.
Speaker 1: With me with a phone to film it, and then
Speaker 1: there's a high. There's nothing good. All that gets me
Speaker 1: is probably like a conversation with law enforcement and a
Speaker 1: weird posting someplace, and then I'll not be doing this
Speaker 1: anymore on the weekend, but begging for change someplace or
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'd be doing.
Speaker 5: Look, it's a great way to get a room for
Speaker 5: the night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something anyway for the night. Maybe I don't know
Speaker 1: about a room, a code, a cot in anything coming.
Speaker 5: What is this?
Speaker 1: By the way, somebody, my neighbor's kids, they tell me everything.
Speaker 1: They're bringing Matta Gascar back. They're not redoing it, they're
Speaker 1: just re releasing it. Is that? Is that accurate?
Speaker 5: Probably they've been doing that a lot. That's really been
Speaker 5: a thing that they started doing. Well, they kind of
Speaker 5: always have done it, but really during COVID, when you
Speaker 5: weren't getting big movies, a lot of times, especially drive
Speaker 5: ins would bring back old movies. And nowadays you'll see
Speaker 5: that a lot where they'll they'll show a movie they
Speaker 5: just want to get butts in the seat because the
Speaker 5: theater doesn't care what you pay to get in. That
Speaker 5: just goes the people own the film.
Speaker 1: They want to see, so you buy the.
Speaker 5: Food, yeah, popcorn and drinks and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: That's why it's like like up in Columbus where I'm from,
Speaker 5: they have the movie theaters that will show ow shoe games.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 5: And I'm sure there's places down in Cincinnati that show
Speaker 5: like the Bearcat Game and the Bengals or whatever. And
Speaker 5: it's just that you don't have to pay. You just
Speaker 5: go in, but you got to buy beer, and that's
Speaker 5: just fun.
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. I love the theater experience for
Speaker 1: just about everything. I just wondered about the Madagascar thing
Speaker 1: because that's been what fifteen twenty years, and that's a
Speaker 1: window and that's isn't that about the time they start
Speaker 1: remaking movies anyway?
Speaker 5: Well yeah, but I don't know how you remake Madagascar
Speaker 5: and have it make look marginally different. I mean, Disney's
Speaker 5: going through and making live action versions, and sometimes the
Speaker 5: live action versions aren't quote because they did a quote
Speaker 5: live action version of The Lion King, but right, there's
Speaker 5: no photophotography in that. It was just all computer generated.
Speaker 5: But they they're doing that. They got a new Majana
Speaker 5: movie coming out that's the live action mawana.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 5: But but again, if you're doing Madagascar, I just know
Speaker 5: they're going to bring it back, probably because it's it's
Speaker 5: the anniversary of it. Yeah, and for kids who are
Speaker 5: like six, if you're like five or six when that
Speaker 5: movie came out and you loved it, me in your
Speaker 5: twenties now, and that's what people do. I was telling
Speaker 5: my son, I said, I'm running into people, you know,
Speaker 5: women in their thirties with with like Pokemon tattoos, nice
Speaker 5: and and you're like, yeah, that's that's the next thing
Speaker 5: that's and then you're gonna in a couple of years
Speaker 5: there's gonna be like eighty year old grannies. And they
Speaker 5: got like, oh and there's there's balbasar, you know on
Speaker 5: the tattooed on my arm. You know that kind of thing.
Speaker 5: So it's always about what you watch when you're a kid.
Speaker 1: It's true. And these kids that from next door, I
Speaker 1: mean I don't think they're middle school age maybe at best,
Speaker 1: yet lower than that, So I mean they've clearly watched
Speaker 1: or streamed it and they were just all excited telling
Speaker 1: me about it. When I was out with the dog
Speaker 1: the other day, I was like, well, I know who
Speaker 1: to talk to about that.
Speaker 5: A lot of times, Yeah, because they get they catch
Speaker 5: it on screen streaming. Because I believe that was a
Speaker 5: DreamWorks movie. I don't know who the Ronzi writes to it,
Speaker 5: but it's out there somewhere. Everyone wants the kid content
Speaker 5: on there. But then you could go to the theater
Speaker 5: and if you're a little kid and you've seen Madagascar
Speaker 5: sixteen times and you drag your parents, and your parents
Speaker 5: is gonna whoever, You're gonna hate yourself for it, but
Speaker 5: you'll take them to go see Madagascar in our room
Speaker 5: full of screaming kids. Those kids are not like, excuse me,
Speaker 5: I need to listen to this because I've never seen it.
Speaker 5: They've all seen it, yeah, like many times, and they're
Speaker 5: all gonna be chearing for it.
Speaker 1: It'd be like us with pulp fiction or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: or maybe you imagine.
Speaker 5: Going, yeah, going to a pulp fiction you know, revival movie.
Speaker 5: That movie is what's thirty two years old, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, let's just stop talking about these
Speaker 1: things now, because that's disturbing. I was only like eight
Speaker 1: years old when that came out.
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, you were a little older than that.
Speaker 5: At rue, you were not born in nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I was. I think I was here
Speaker 1: and then went to New Orleans in that window of
Speaker 1: time that it was out, and then came back. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I was grown.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: I was talking on the radio already, which is sick.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't know what I've said, but hell,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what I'm saying now except this
Speaker 1: silver gecko on substack. Find Kevin Carr. He's there. Great
Speaker 1: stuff to your mailbox. Always good to talk to you, man.
Speaker 1: Enjoy the rest of your week in my best of
Speaker 1: the family car.
Speaker 5: All right, thank you, We'll talk to you later.
Speaker 1: We'll see you later. Maybe you go check out that
Speaker 1: twenty eight years later in the We'll see exactly how
Speaker 1: disturbing it all plays out to be in the Bone Temple,
Speaker 1: Quick break, Come Back, More to Do Mike d Wallspace
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Speaker 1: up here seven hundred WULW. Well, the weekend's here. Sterling
Speaker 1: back seven hundred WLW. About a week ago, there was
Speaker 1: talk about illness on the International Space Station, so we
Speaker 1: figured we'd reach out, and they've done. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's something they've never done except maybe in the movies,
Speaker 1: which is go up and retrieve some people on the
Speaker 1: space station and bringing them back. Mike d wallspaceflight and
Speaker 1: tech editor from space dot com. He's also the author
Speaker 1: of out There, which is a scientific guide to alien life, antimatter,
Speaker 1: human space travel for the cosmically curious. I'm one of those,
Speaker 1: and it's good reading. Welcome back to the Big One.
Speaker 1: How are you, Mike?
Speaker 7: Doing good? How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing okay. So this is a rare occurrence, right,
Speaker 1: was it Crew eleven? I guess at the International Space Station?
Speaker 1: They went and retrieved them and they just splashed back.
Speaker 1: I think it was yesterday or the other day.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's it's yeah. It was like a six
Speaker 7: month long SpaceX mission to the International Space Station. You know,
Speaker 7: NASA contracted SpaceX to uh provide transportation for astronauts to
Speaker 7: and from the International Space Station. And this this is
Speaker 7: a mission that launched this past August. It was supposed
Speaker 7: to be up for six months. You know, it's supposed
Speaker 7: to come home like next month sometime. But like one
Speaker 7: of the crew members we still don't know which one
Speaker 7: because of medical privacy concerns, like suffered some sort of
Speaker 7: ailments on orbit last just last week, and they quickly
Speaker 7: decided they wanted to bring the whole crew home to
Speaker 7: get it looked at on Earth. You know, where a doctor,
Speaker 7: we have more doctors, we got, we got better equipment
Speaker 7: to diagnose it and to treat it. And so yeah,
Speaker 7: that just happened just a couple of days ago. They
Speaker 7: came back everything that's fine apparently, and yeah, so and yeah,
Speaker 7: yeah like it. Yeah, it was unprecedented. Nothing like this
Speaker 7: has been done on the International Space Station ever, and
Speaker 7: it's like twenty five years of astronaut occupy. So yeah,
Speaker 7: it was. It was it was something that we hadn't
Speaker 7: seen before.
Speaker 1: Talking to Mike Wall from space dot Com, Stirling seven
Speaker 1: hundred WLW so I think back to when I was
Speaker 1: a little kid. It was towards the end days of
Speaker 1: what was space Lab, and then came the Space Shuttle
Speaker 1: and all of that and ferring people back and forth
Speaker 1: and so forth, and the docking now with SpaceX and
Speaker 1: all these other private entities that are sort of working
Speaker 1: with NASA. It's kind of interesting, Mike. But the idea,
Speaker 1: of course is I guess it's next month. The swing
Speaker 1: around the Moon is expected with Artemis two. Is that right?
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's the plan. It's not officially targeted for next month.
Speaker 7: Artemis two is the mission we're talking about, which we'll
Speaker 7: send four astronauts like around the Moon. They aren't going
Speaker 7: to orbit the Moon. They're not going to land. They
Speaker 7: just do like a slingshot kind of trajectory around the
Speaker 7: Moon and come back to Earth after about ten days.
Speaker 7: But still it'll be the first Moon mission with astronauts
Speaker 7: on board since Apollo seventeen back in nineteen do so.
Speaker 7: So NASA's targeting sort of early February for that launch,
Speaker 7: but that's like really tentative.
Speaker 5: Right now.
Speaker 7: They're about to roll the Giant rocket out to the
Speaker 7: launch pad. They're going to do that on Saturday, actually,
Speaker 7: so take it from like the kind of high bay
Speaker 7: where they stack the rocket and everything, roll it out
Speaker 7: to the pad and do a bunch of tests, I
Speaker 7: including like these fueling tests and all that stuff, and
Speaker 7: if all that goes well, they could theoretically launch as
Speaker 7: early as February sixth, but I don't I wouldn't expect that.
Speaker 7: I think it'll probably take a little longer, and maybe
Speaker 7: it'll March. It'll launch in maybe March or maybe April.
Speaker 7: But yeah, we'll just on us have to wait and see.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 1: One of the things that you know, we talked about
Speaker 1: it before, you know, the need for clean up like
Speaker 1: rumky waste up there to get space junk. We've talked
Speaker 1: about the you know, the long term sort of idea
Speaker 1: of going to Mars and in space travel and whether
Speaker 1: there's a moon base or something else out there. The
Speaker 1: question of health issues and how that's navigated by NASA
Speaker 1: or whoever else internationally is involved in this. It gets
Speaker 1: deep pretty fast because you can't only go and get
Speaker 1: people who have a major health issue, so then you
Speaker 1: have to start thinking about all those really sort of
Speaker 1: I don't want to say cryptic, but sometimes dark movies
Speaker 1: about what happens in space when someone gets sick or
Speaker 1: has some type of problem. Do we know what their
Speaker 1: plans are and how to work that moving ahead? And
Speaker 1: I'm guessing this was an opportunity to learn a little
Speaker 1: bit about how they might navigate and gate that in
Speaker 1: the future too.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, and that, like it is a good question
Speaker 7: people in I mean people like have asked NASA officials
Speaker 7: that very question. You know, in the wake of this
Speaker 7: problem that a nastronaut experience on the ISS, you know,
Speaker 7: what does that make you think about Moon missions or
Speaker 7: even going farther in the future, you know, I mean
Speaker 7: NASA wants to send astronauts to Mars too, and then
Speaker 7: not too distant future, So and that's even more risky,
Speaker 7: right if you have some sort of health issue on
Speaker 7: the way to Mars, it's like six months there and
Speaker 7: six months back, you're not going to be able to
Speaker 7: do like an evacuation really and come backtor So it
Speaker 7: is something I don't think NASA has the answers to that.
Speaker 7: They're certainly thinking about it, Like, I mean, maybe what
Speaker 7: will end up happening as you launch, Like I don't know,
Speaker 7: people with more medical training, maybe you have a crew
Speaker 7: doctor on board all of these long term space missions.
Speaker 7: If we're talking about future Moon missions, future Mars missions,
Speaker 7: maybe every crew should have like one medical doctor on
Speaker 7: board at the minimum. Like, I don't know, that's something
Speaker 7: that we'll have to see going forward, don't. I don't
Speaker 7: think NASA or its partners have the answers to that yet,
Speaker 7: but they're certainly thinking about.
Speaker 1: It in the timeline. Talking to Mike Wall by the
Speaker 1: way Spaceflight to and tech it or from space dot com,
Speaker 1: Stirling on the big one, where are we in the
Speaker 1: scheme of things in a timeline do you think of
Speaker 1: our space exploration? I mean, you know, we still kindergarten,
Speaker 1: first grade, We're not yet to high school. I mean
Speaker 1: I don't know how to gauge it or compare. I
Speaker 1: certainly you know the new Star Trek that's coming out,
Speaker 1: and a lot of other stuff you can't necessarily compare.
Speaker 1: But so much of what those types of sci fi
Speaker 1: shows have brought science an interest in people that are
Speaker 1: actually making the decisions and designing things that the future
Speaker 1: will bring all So I'm just kind of curious where
Speaker 1: you think we fit on that continuum.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think we're still pretty early days now. Maybe
Speaker 7: elementary school. If you're talking about if the if the
Speaker 7: goal is to have I don't know, people living and
Speaker 7: working off Earth in a in a real meaningful way,
Speaker 7: then yeah, we're just getting started.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 7: We like we went to the Moon with Apollo in
Speaker 7: the late sixties, early seventies, but that that was just
Speaker 7: flags and footprints, right. We didn't stay there. We didn't
Speaker 7: I mean, we didn't build a base that yet. Again,
Speaker 7: I'm not trying to actually minimize that accomplishment was a
Speaker 7: huge achievement, but it was designed to just land there
Speaker 7: and come home safely. It wasn't designed to build a
Speaker 7: base or anything like that. That's what NASA and a
Speaker 7: lot of other exploration kids are trying to do now.
Speaker 7: That's what a lot of the world spacel community is
Speaker 7: working toward, and we're just the early stages of that
Speaker 7: trying to figure out.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and so that's what that's why these Artemist missions
Speaker 7: coming up. I mean, this next one Artemist too, is
Speaker 7: a big deal because it's going to show that astronauts
Speaker 7: can safely ride on the Giant Moon rocket. NASA has
Speaker 7: space launches to rocket and the Orion spacecraft, which is
Speaker 7: what they'll ride to the Moon and back. It will
Speaker 7: kind of it'll kind of certify those vehicles for ashnout
Speaker 7: flights and then lay the foundation for Artemis three in
Speaker 7: twenty twenty seven or twenty twenty eight, which will actually
Speaker 7: land astronauts on the Moon, and if that goes well,
Speaker 7: then NASA will work toward actually building a base near
Speaker 7: the lunar South Pole where there's thought to be a
Speaker 7: lot of water ice that astronauts could access and use
Speaker 7: to drink and to make rocket fuel and all that stuff.
Speaker 7: So we're but we're still we still haven't launched a
Speaker 7: person to the Moon since the seventies, right, so we're
Speaker 7: still we're still early days, and we're still testing out
Speaker 7: the equipment that is supposed.
Speaker 6: To do that.
Speaker 7: So yeah, we we've got the know how, but we
Speaker 7: just have to prove that we can do it on
Speaker 7: a bigger scale in a more ambitious way, which is
Speaker 7: what we're trying to do moving forward.
Speaker 1: I love that term flags and footprints, because that's what
Speaker 1: it was. I wasn't really laughing about like where we
Speaker 1: were on the continue, I was just thinking about it
Speaker 1: was like that's true. I think he had a golf
Speaker 1: ball and then they bailed out. It's just sort of
Speaker 1: the way it went. Do we know, Mike, about what
Speaker 1: the Chinese did up there? Did they actually have people
Speaker 1: on the Moon or was that just a sort of
Speaker 1: a like a rover they're checking stuff out on the
Speaker 1: supposed or so called dark side.
Speaker 7: They have launched a few robotic missions to the Moon.
Speaker 7: Now China has and like include they are the first
Speaker 7: country ever to put a rover down on the far
Speaker 7: side of the Moon. But they also have ambitions to
Speaker 7: put people on the Moon and to build a lunar base.
Speaker 7: They've got this project with the Russians that wants to
Speaker 7: do that in the mid twenty thirties, and they actually
Speaker 7: want to put people down there by twenty thirty. That
Speaker 7: their first astronauts on the Moon in four or five years,
Speaker 7: which is pretty ambitious. But they've been making kind of
Speaker 7: step wise progress toward it. So they're a legitimate threat
Speaker 7: to kind of do it first, which is why you
Speaker 7: hear a bunch of kind of moon race rhetoric coming
Speaker 7: from our politicians and our kind of government officials and stuff.
Speaker 7: I mean, there is this imperative in those circles to
Speaker 7: do it before China does, to show that we're still
Speaker 7: a top dog in space and all that stuff. This
Speaker 7: is like kind of like a simple thing that NASA
Speaker 7: and the US government are trying to do. But yeah,
Speaker 7: I mean China is doing it more in the apollo
Speaker 7: kind of manner where they're not their first missions are
Speaker 7: going to be sort of Apollo like, they aren't doing
Speaker 7: it in the sustainable way of our first missions are
Speaker 7: going to start establishing a moon base, but they are
Speaker 7: trying to build a base at some point in the
Speaker 7: future too.
Speaker 1: Mike Wallas from space dot com Spaceflight Editor Tech editor
Speaker 1: was Stirling on seven hundred WLW. So that's interesting because
Speaker 1: you mentioned the jockeing and posturing that's taking place politically,
Speaker 1: but also the idea of strategizing for colony, colonizing for
Speaker 1: one of a better way to describe it. And we're
Speaker 1: talking about Greenland now, the threat of Russia and China
Speaker 1: and how that deal may or may not go, whatever
Speaker 1: is with that. I don't want to get political about it,
Speaker 1: but it's really the same concept in space or even
Speaker 1: at sea, especially as sort of all the big ice
Speaker 1: is melting or they're in climate change and so forth,
Speaker 1: whether it's jettising off this planet or anywhere else. It's
Speaker 1: really the same game no matter what.
Speaker 6: Correct.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and that sort of high season analogy is a
Speaker 7: good one. That's why they say it's important for the
Speaker 7: US to beat China back to the moon is because
Speaker 7: whoever gets there first this time around and starts doing
Speaker 7: things like scouting for resources and extracting resources and building
Speaker 7: bases and stuff like that, they will get to kind
Speaker 7: of set the procedures and the norms and the moon,
Speaker 7: which are not very well laid out at this point
Speaker 7: at all. So it will be kind of like a
Speaker 7: high seas or a wild West sort of situation, is
Speaker 7: what people are worried about. So whoever gets there first
Speaker 7: has the chance to kind of set what will be
Speaker 7: the norms of responsible behavior. That's what That's what kind
Speaker 7: of military officials say, what government officials say here, and
Speaker 7: we want to be that organization or that entity that
Speaker 7: does that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes sense. What if I not ask in
Speaker 1: relation to any of this or anything else that's worthy
Speaker 1: of conversation when it comes to space stuff, because it
Speaker 1: seems like every week there's a bunch of headlines, but
Speaker 1: this has been, you know, a fast and heavy one,
Speaker 1: because we're talking about people coming home who what are
Speaker 1: planning on staying and it was obviously a health concern,
Speaker 1: which is pretty wild.
Speaker 7: Yeah, those are the two big ones, you know that
Speaker 7: the Crew eleven, that the medical evacuation base and the
Speaker 7: Artemis two ramp up and them happening back to back.
Speaker 7: I think those are the Yeah, those are the big things,
Speaker 7: you know what In like, while NASA is getting is
Speaker 7: trying to do the Artemis two ramp up, they're also
Speaker 7: they're preparing it with with SpaceX to launch Crew twelve,
Speaker 7: which are the replacements for the Crew eleven astronauts who
Speaker 7: had to come home a month early. So, like that's
Speaker 7: schedule to launch on February fifteenth, which means for the
Speaker 7: next like month or so, there will only be three
Speaker 7: people on the International Space Missing puting only one NASA astronauts.
Speaker 7: That's kind of interesting too because the baseline crew level
Speaker 7: up there is seven, so they're going to be a
Speaker 7: real skeleton crew for the next like month or so,
Speaker 7: which is kind of interesting.
Speaker 1: What do they do up there with that base crew
Speaker 1: you say, of six or seven compared to this three?
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, the size of it is not
Speaker 1: I mean, what's it comparable to here size wise as
Speaker 1: far as modules for residential I guess a living or
Speaker 1: functioning because they're up there working, they're not just kicking
Speaker 1: back watching Netflix.
Speaker 7: I'm guessing yeah, it's got about as much living area
Speaker 7: as like a five bedroom house, I believe, is what
Speaker 7: NASA says. And most of what the astronauts are doing
Speaker 7: up there, in addition to the routine maintenance stuff, is
Speaker 7: like scientific experiments, you know, doing a lot of studies
Speaker 7: of how plants, like how seeds germinate in microgravity, like
Speaker 7: how radiation affects like some bacteria and other single celled
Speaker 7: organisms or mice and rats and stuff like that. There's
Speaker 7: always a bunch of stuff like that going on, or
Speaker 7: working to figure out how you can manufacture certain things
Speaker 7: in microgravity. There are all these all these experiments that
Speaker 7: go up there with each crew or each each cargo
Speaker 7: ship because there so what's going to happen with the
Speaker 7: three person crew is some of that experimental work. They're
Speaker 7: going to be able to devote as much time to
Speaker 7: the experiments, obviously, because the the crew of three has
Speaker 7: to perform like the baseline maintenance stuff and just to
Speaker 7: make sure everything's working fine. That's not something you can
Speaker 7: skip on right. So with fewer people up there, that
Speaker 7: just means there won't be as much time for the
Speaker 7: astronauts to do some of the science work. And it
Speaker 7: also means that they won't be able to do any
Speaker 7: spacewalks really on the American side, because there's only one
Speaker 7: NASA astronaut, and you don't do a spacewalk with one person.
Speaker 7: There are always two person affairs for safety reasons. So
Speaker 7: that's just another thing that they'll have to wait to do.
Speaker 7: They actually had planned to do two spacewalks this month,
Speaker 7: but those were canceled after the medical thing kind of
Speaker 7: popped up with the crew eleven astronaut.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that took priority for sure. Now the other thing
Speaker 1: I want to just before we let you hop and
Speaker 1: I appreciate you and make it a time for us
Speaker 1: here on the Friday Night Stirling with Mike Wall from
Speaker 1: space dot Com. I know you've got some hoops action
Speaker 1: with little one the young Wall shortly, so we appreciate it.
Speaker 1: The Starlink satellite thing, which I think I actually saw
Speaker 1: in the sky for the first time, maybe at a
Speaker 1: week ago, give or take, which was pretty wild. I'd
Speaker 1: seen it on video, but never in person. It was
Speaker 1: a pretty interesting thing just for about the ten minutes
Speaker 1: or less that I actually got to see it, sort
Speaker 1: of moved through it, but it caame top of mind
Speaker 1: again obviously with Iran and the government shutting down internet
Speaker 1: and so forth, which is pretty standard in a lot
Speaker 1: of places when war happens, either the enemy does it
Speaker 1: or even I guess you know, a tyrant type of
Speaker 1: government scenario, whatever you want to describe that as. But
Speaker 1: they opened up Starlink for people to be able to
Speaker 1: have access to get information and share it. How regularly
Speaker 1: and how available are those star links to people just
Speaker 1: in general? I mean you got to buy some you know,
Speaker 1: like hardware gear for that. It's not like you can
Speaker 1: just dial into it from your laptop of your phone,
Speaker 1: I'm guessing. But what a great thing to be able
Speaker 1: to do for people that would have been isolated otherwise.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you like, you have to buy a subscription, you
Speaker 7: have to buy buy like a terminal from SpaceX to
Speaker 7: be able to receive all the signals the Starlink satellite
Speaker 7: send down. And they're almost ten thousand of them up
Speaker 7: there now, and they they it's much less. It's it's
Speaker 7: it's much harder to deprive your citizens of Internet if
Speaker 7: it's coming from space obviously, then if it's like being
Speaker 7: broadcast from towers here on Earth, so or fibers or whatever.
Speaker 7: You can cut fibers, you can, you can go disable
Speaker 7: the tower. But it is much harder for for like
Speaker 7: a sovereign nation or an organization of some sort to
Speaker 7: stop signals coming down from space. It's not it's it's
Speaker 7: not impossible. You you actually can jam signals coming back
Speaker 7: from space in the microwave spectrum, which like I think
Speaker 7: Iran has been trying to do that with starlink and
Speaker 7: maybe and may have even succeeded to some degree, Like
Speaker 7: not sure what the most strustworthy accounts about that are,
Speaker 7: but but I know Iran has been trying to do
Speaker 7: that to keep the citizens in the dark, even from starlink.
Speaker 7: So it's not like one hundred percent foolproof, but it's
Speaker 7: much much harder to keep to cut those systems down
Speaker 7: than the ground based systems.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: It's pretty wild because in the news, of course we've
Speaker 1: heard about those cables in the ocean that have been
Speaker 1: gouged and more than once actually, and then now this,
Speaker 1: and then you start thinking about those flights that we
Speaker 1: don't necessarily know that are dark from our military, and
Speaker 1: who knows what our enemies are doing up there too.
Speaker 1: It all goes back to that again. You think you're
Speaker 1: safe down here and here you're not up there. There's
Speaker 1: something else going on. It gets deep and it does fast. Mike, Well,
Speaker 1: thank you for doing what you do, and space dot
Speaker 1: Com is always a great resource. Appreciate you being here
Speaker 1: for us. I hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Ma, it's always good to talk to you too.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Man the author of out There, Scientific Guide
Speaker 1: to Alien Life, Antimatter, and Human Space Travel for the
Speaker 1: cosmically curious. That's it, out There, Spaceflight Tech editor Mike
Speaker 1: Wall I can read sometimes, it's just I don't have
Speaker 1: my glasses. Enjoy yourself. Thanks for making time. Enjoy the weekend.
Speaker 1: More Sterling coming back seven hundred WLW. Well, there's no
Speaker 1: werewolf out there that I know of, but there is
Speaker 1: some snow in the tri State, mostly to the southeast
Speaker 1: of the city, with some accumulations expected overnight. It's still
Speaker 1: above freezing, so it's that weird thing where you can
Speaker 1: see it come down and hopefully won't stick, although my
Speaker 1: dog will be excited to play in some more snow
Speaker 1: sooner than later. How you doing Friday sterling? A couple
Speaker 1: of minutes away your ten thirty report. I believe Matt
Speaker 1: Reese is tagging out. We'll see who tags in. Not
Speaker 1: quite yet sure. I got to win to Windo a hallway,
Speaker 1: so I don't know yet. We'll find out together after
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock. Doctor Donna schleg former had political science, now
Speaker 1: professor Meredith from Wright State gonna join us talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about Minnesota. Apparently there's been a judge that's
Speaker 1: come out in order that ICE is gonna have to
Speaker 1: curb some of their actions in and around the Twin Cities.
Speaker 1: Not sure what the details on that are. We'll talk
Speaker 1: to her. Also about the Tenth Amendment. Is Minneapolis, or
Speaker 1: at least the state of Minnesota, I should say, as
Speaker 1: well as Illinois, are talking about Tenth Amendment issues, which
Speaker 1: is limiting powers of the federal government in the state.
Speaker 1: How that comes in play. And of course President Trump
Speaker 1: has talked about the Insurrection Act and how that may
Speaker 1: move ahead if necessary, to sort of put more boots
Speaker 1: on the ground literally and figuratively of our military. In
Speaker 1: and around the Twin Cities, which I don't know that
Speaker 1: anybody really wants that, so we'll talk to her about
Speaker 1: that later on. Also, David Purdin from ESPN shalt conversation
Speaker 1: we had about the NCAA hoops scandal that later on,
Speaker 1: and on the other side something else. I'm wondering if
Speaker 1: you can think back to your youth unless you're a
Speaker 1: kid now, and I'm wondering what the first really big
Speaker 1: news story that you can remember from being a kid
Speaker 1: that's stuck with you. I can think of one now
Speaker 1: that had to do with the US hostages in Iran
Speaker 1: when I was a tiny sterling, and I think that's
Speaker 1: like the first news thing that I can really vividly recall.
Speaker 5: That.
Speaker 1: Maybe the bi centennial, which of course we're looking at
Speaker 1: two fifty for the US come July as well being celebrated,
Speaker 1: so we'll get into that. On the other side, your
Speaker 1: chance to get interactive. It's a Friday Sterling Nation Station
Speaker 1: Reds Fest this weekend convention Center and a whole lot
Speaker 1: of fun. A lot of people heading home right about
Speaker 1: now from that here seven HUNDREDU wulw. Hey, how you
Speaker 1: doing Sterling? Hanging out? Fine? Friday night, The weekend is
Speaker 1: here Nation Station. What you're listening to? Seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 1: Joe Waddell producing, keeping me in line on time. Travis
Speaker 1: Laird getting interactive too as he was closing up that newscast,
Speaker 1: because right there I sort of teased a head to
Speaker 1: what I want to do here. We got a little
Speaker 1: bit of time to play a little bit before Doctor
Speaker 1: dot Schlek joins just former head of political science at
Speaker 1: Right State. She's a cincinnatikuid talking about the latest in
Speaker 1: Minneapolis Saint Paul, as well as the talk of the
Speaker 1: insurrection at tent Amendment issues being discussed, as well as
Speaker 1: continued issues with the whole immigration thing in politics. And
Speaker 1: it's a lot going on in the world right now,
Speaker 1: which then leads me to something else asides from the
Speaker 1: NCAA basketball hoops point shaving scandal too. David Purdham from
Speaker 1: ESPN Chalk, who's been all over TV. I was up
Speaker 1: late last night and flipping around in the news and
Speaker 1: streaming ABC News. It was like two or three in
Speaker 1: the morning. All of a sudden, I hear a familiar
Speaker 1: voice from down the halls. I'm running around the house
Speaker 1: and I'm like I know that guy, What the hell's
Speaker 1: going on? That's Dave Purdham and he was on ABC
Speaker 1: talking about what we're going to discuss a little bit
Speaker 1: later on, which is the issue with the point shaving
Speaker 1: and betting and the business of betting, because that's what
Speaker 1: he covers for ESPN chalk. So that's coming up at
Speaker 1: eleven thirty five. It's big news. A lot of people
Speaker 1: headed home right now from Reds Fast downtown and the
Speaker 1: just open kicking the door wide open to a new
Speaker 1: era with the convention Center downtown. A lot of Reds fans,
Speaker 1: you know, sort of thinking about well, the future and
Speaker 1: maybe some news stories of note, which for some I
Speaker 1: was talking talking to a buddy of mine earlier today
Speaker 1: about this. I was saying, like, first news events that
Speaker 1: might stick in your head, I might resonate. We talked sports,
Speaker 1: he mentioned Big Red Machine. He's a little bit older
Speaker 1: than me. It was right in the middle of his
Speaker 1: early part of his teenage years, and it was totally like,
Speaker 1: that's the first news thing that he can remember, and
Speaker 1: it was sports related and REGs related. And then I
Speaker 1: can remember and there's two things that stick out news related.
Speaker 1: One the bi centennial in the Freedom Train that I
Speaker 1: got to hop a boy with my Grandma Betty to
Speaker 1: sort of look at the history of this nation when
Speaker 1: I was a tiny kid. And then the other thing
Speaker 1: that sticks out glaringly was the Iran hostages thing that
Speaker 1: was in the news on a regular basis. I'd come
Speaker 1: home from school, I'd watched the news, and the Nightline
Speaker 1: happened as a result of that, which is still on
Speaker 1: the air today. So I'm wondering, what is the first
Speaker 1: news story could be sports, but big news event that
Speaker 1: you can remember in general, whether asuming probably for most
Speaker 1: of us from our childhood or otherwise. Five one three
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Speaker 1: The Big One to Xenia Paul his first first big
Speaker 1: news event that sticks out that you can remember as
Speaker 1: a kid or otherwise, Paul, you're with Sterling on the
Speaker 1: Big One. Thanks for holding what's up.
Speaker 9: The first big news event that I really remember, and
Speaker 9: I brought everyone to their knees crying, was President Roosevelt
Speaker 9: FDR dying. So nineteen forty five.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: So if you don't mind, how old of a man
Speaker 1: are you that you can actually remember hearing the news
Speaker 1: of that, because it was a different world at that point.
Speaker 9: I'm eighty seven and I was born in thirty eight,
Speaker 9: so I was seven years old and my dad listened
Speaker 9: religiously to the Big One WLW and whio out of
Speaker 9: Dayton Coaghetti's.
Speaker 1: Nude, that's right, And so you heard that as it
Speaker 1: went down. See, I can't imagine the closest thing. And
Speaker 1: it was a presidential memory to me, now that you
Speaker 1: think you mentioned that, I can remember. I took a
Speaker 1: bus to the doctor's office as a kid, and I
Speaker 1: had to go in and get like an allergy shot.
Speaker 1: And then I got out of the office and I
Speaker 1: was waiting for the bus, and it was an odd
Speaker 1: thing that the bus driver was out having a cigarette
Speaker 1: and there were some other people waiting to hop on
Speaker 1: the bus, and they had the radio one which was
Speaker 1: on the Big One, which of course is now where
Speaker 1: we're having our conversation, Paul. And it was when Reagan
Speaker 1: had been shot and he was sheet white. I was
Speaker 1: sort of traumatized. I'm a little kid in the thought
Speaker 1: of having the president the you know, gravely entered, perhaps
Speaker 1: dying or otherwise. It was crazy. I can't imagine you
Speaker 1: at seven the same type of feeling with Roosevelt.
Speaker 9: Well, I remember vividly hanging on to my dad because
Speaker 9: he was a news hound. He was interested in anything
Speaker 9: that the world news. He tried to go join up
Speaker 9: in the military to fight the Japanese the day after
Speaker 9: Pearl Harbor, and he was rejected because he had flat
Speaker 9: feet and hemorrhoids. But he was a true patriots sterling.
Speaker 1: I do believe that flat feet I have. I don't
Speaker 1: think I have the roids, but I didn't realize the
Speaker 1: roids to keep you out of of the military. But
Speaker 1: at least he was here in state safe and was
Speaker 1: there to provide and take care of the family. Paul,
Speaker 1: thank you for listening to being a part of the show.
Speaker 8: Oh.
Speaker 9: I listened faithfully to wlwi's my all time favorite radio station.
Speaker 9: I go way back with the Reds to nineteen thirty nine,
Speaker 9: Ernie Lombardi and Frank McCormick, Bucky Walters, Paul Dringer and
Speaker 9: uh So Wider. And I'm a true Cincinnati Reds baseball
Speaker 9: fan and here lately Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I appreciate that. Paul, Thank you so much.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: It was good to talk to you. That's tremendous, quite
Speaker 1: a bit of history. Wondering what the first news story
Speaker 1: that you can remember is from your childhood or otherwise.
Speaker 1: That resonated. And I mean, and he talked about Rusevelt
Speaker 1: it and hearing it the president that passed away. I
Speaker 1: mean that that'll shake you, that'll mess with you.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's one of those things that Joe Waddell's producing the show.
Speaker 1: Authier just mentioned to me a minute ago. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you wants to do this on the air
Speaker 1: or not, but I'll mention it. If you want to
Speaker 1: crack the MICU feel free to do whatever you want
Speaker 1: to do. But he mentioned that he thinks that it
Speaker 1: was when the was it the shuttle? No, what was it?
Speaker 1: You just said just a minute nine to eleven, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I think he mentioned his first real memory of
Speaker 1: news was when nine eleven happened in two thousand and one,
Speaker 1: which immediately makes me feel like I'm a little long
Speaker 1: in the tooth, because I was working on the radio
Speaker 1: in Collogembus at the time. I had left here and
Speaker 1: taken the night show at our sister station WTVN in Columbus,
Speaker 1: where I worked with my good buddy Corpy and a
Speaker 1: bunch of other people. And I can vividly remember that
Speaker 1: happening and the thing that shook me after, aside from
Speaker 1: just the nature of what went down in how all
Speaker 1: of our lives have changed, and in this case Joe Waddell,
Speaker 1: all he knows is the issue of invasions of privacy
Speaker 1: and giving up our freedoms and the Patriot Act and
Speaker 1: everything else that subsequently followed for all of our supposed
Speaker 1: safety getting into our prefer real business. And I can remember,
Speaker 1: aside from the event itself happening, what really grabbed me
Speaker 1: and resonated in and did even meet a day you
Speaker 1: could hear a lot of freight trains right where I
Speaker 1: lived in Columbus, and you could hear Port Columbus. Now
Speaker 1: I think it's John Glenn Airport, but at the time.
Speaker 1: It was Port Columbus. Just like around cveg. You would
Speaker 1: notice this too, or lunken. They shut down trains and
Speaker 1: playing across this nation. And it was one of the
Speaker 1: most eerie, oddly uncomfortable, uncertain times that I can remember
Speaker 1: ever in my life, because we did not know what
Speaker 1: was happening with New York or Pennsylvania or the Pentagon
Speaker 1: or the future of the world as we knew it.
Speaker 1: And I'd never heard the silence without trains or planes
Speaker 1: in the sky, and for a few days there was
Speaker 1: none other than military aircraft. It was unreal, is what
Speaker 1: it was. Five point three seven four nine seven, eight hundred,
Speaker 1: the big one. Let's get to some calls here, first
Speaker 1: memory of something newsworthy that grabbed you and hell you
Speaker 1: held you as a kid to Newport. Rob and Sue
Speaker 1: and Terry and Tommy and Rick will get as many
Speaker 1: on as we can here before the news coming up
Speaker 1: at eleven. What's up, Rob, appreciate you holding sure?
Speaker 6: Hey, Thanks thanks for taking my call. Hey real quick,
Speaker 6: I know you've got a lot of callers.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 6: May eighth, nineteen seventy seven. I was eight years old
Speaker 6: and I can still VIVI the pictures will never leave
Speaker 6: my mind. Was the Beverly Hills diner fire.
Speaker 1: All the supper club.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, supper club fire. We got, we got. We
Speaker 6: were on our way home from eating out, and they
Speaker 6: had stopped traffic and we were right there at the
Speaker 6: bottom of the hill in twenty seven just watching watching
Speaker 6: it go up in flames. And there's some things that
Speaker 6: would you know, would rather not talk about that I
Speaker 6: saw on the air that that really stuck with me
Speaker 6: and will never ever forget that.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. I totally understand it. I'm guessing you
Speaker 1: were a fairly young man at the time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, eight years old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I mean you're like a third grader at
Speaker 1: that point. I can remember, we're not drastically different in age.
Speaker 1: And my grandmother and it sounds weird to say this,
Speaker 1: but her boyfriend, because she had one at the time,
Speaker 1: and yeah, they would regularly go to the Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: and so my mom, I remember, was freaking out. I
Speaker 1: had no idea what was going on. But then they
Speaker 1: were trying to track down my grandmother to see if
Speaker 1: they had actually gone, because you know, they were there randomly.
Speaker 1: Thank god they were not. And a lot of other people,
Speaker 1: of course never made it out, which was just horrific.
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, it was pretty say day here locally, but
Speaker 6: it got it got national attention though I do remember that.
Speaker 6: But yeah, mom and dad lost quite a few friends
Speaker 6: that night.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a terrible thing, and I mean it
Speaker 1: sticks with all of rob. I appreciate the comment, thank
Speaker 1: you for sharing that, and yeah, I mean it made
Speaker 1: national news and because I mean there were people came
Speaker 1: to work there, I mean performers, entertainers at Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: supper Club from all over the big, big name artist
Speaker 1: on a regular basis, and a lot of people didn't
Speaker 1: come home from that. Just devastating Covington. Sue was sterling
Speaker 1: on the big one too, from ky back to back,
Speaker 1: What do you Go? What do you know?
Speaker 10: Sue?
Speaker 1: Was the first news that resonates with you as a
Speaker 1: memory from your kid in childhood.
Speaker 11: Well, I'm my mother and I had gone to and
Speaker 11: when Chester, Kentucky, when I was eight years so I
Speaker 11: was born the same year your first caller was Okay,
Speaker 11: And I remember sitting in the movie theater and all
Speaker 11: of a sudden hearing all sorts of car horns blowing outside,
Speaker 11: and my mother said.
Speaker 10: The war is over.
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, and my father was there overseas.
Speaker 1: That had to just be such a fantastic thing because
Speaker 1: you knew obviously at that point you would think Dad's okay,
Speaker 1: Dad's coming home soon, and yeah.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I really had didn't think about that until I
Speaker 11: was sitting here listening to some of the others. But
Speaker 11: that really is the first major thing I remember hearing.
Speaker 11: Plus the Beverly Hills. I had been in the zebra
Speaker 11: room at a retirement party two weeks before the fire.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, and that sticks with you. I can remember
Speaker 1: my grandmother telling me about it. I was very interested.
Speaker 1: After I didn't really understand. I was like going to
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, like the Beverly Hill, but at least where
Speaker 1: are you people going? And then of course after that
Speaker 1: I found out like the rest of us. So thank
Speaker 1: you for sharing and always appreciate you listening to being
Speaker 1: a part of the show. To Walden, holy crap, it's
Speaker 1: three and ky back to back to back, Terry at
Speaker 1: your turf with Sterling on the big one. First memory
Speaker 1: of a news event from your youth?
Speaker 3: Okay, so I was eight years old in second grade
Speaker 3: and I can remember them coming over the loud speaker
Speaker 3: at school on November twenty second of sixty three and
Speaker 3: telling us all that John F. Kennedy, President Kennedy had
Speaker 3: been shot. Oh wow, and you know we were just eight.
Speaker 10: Years old, like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: And then as you know, it was on TV for
Speaker 3: days and days of course. But yeah, that's the first
Speaker 3: one I remember. But in addition to the Beverly Hills,
Speaker 3: when I was twenty one, I was at the Red
Speaker 3: Dog Saloon in Sharonville and we were listening to a
Speaker 3: comedian named Ron Stewart, and they came. They came out
Speaker 3: and said at intermission and said he won't be back.
Speaker 3: His wife st the Beverly Hills and uh, you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's on fire.
Speaker 10: She she was okay.
Speaker 3: But the odd thing was I was a manager of
Speaker 3: Eagle Savings and I had tellers that were there at
Speaker 3: a banquet and in another part. But you know, I'm
Speaker 3: saying I had two people down there that I was
Speaker 3: scared to death that they were that they you know,
Speaker 3: we're going to be harmed, but they made it. They
Speaker 3: made it safe too. I'm glad that those are the
Speaker 3: two big ones.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and those are monumental. I mean it really is, Harry.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the call. Thank you for listening to being
Speaker 1: a part of the show. I appreciate it. I mean
Speaker 1: that'll shake you. And I remember just here overhearing my
Speaker 1: grandmother talk about that with the Beverly Hills, and she
Speaker 1: and they were there regularly for one type of even
Speaker 1: or a show or another. And even after all this time,
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of connections, a lot of people
Speaker 1: still really to that. De Heartwell and Tommy was Sterling
Speaker 1: on the Big One. Appreciate you holding. What's the first
Speaker 1: news event that sticks out to you in your memory?
Speaker 10: Sure, Sterling Well, prior caller has had the same news event, however,
Speaker 10: November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. But I was in
Speaker 10: first grade and I came home from Madisonville School. I
Speaker 10: didn't hear it on a laudspeaker. My mother told me
Speaker 10: about it and the TV was on, and I remember
Speaker 10: the few ensuing days. I can remember little John saluting,
Speaker 10: you know, saluting as far as casket in the parade
Speaker 10: and all that kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, that was
Speaker 10: an amazing.
Speaker 1: Time, very unusual and unsettling times, and a lot of
Speaker 1: unknown people think in the world's upside down and some
Speaker 1: of the people and right now feel in the same
Speaker 1: way and how we are too. Hopefully nothing quite as
Speaker 1: severe as that type of event making news anytime soon, Tommy.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the call me and thanks for listening. I
Speaker 1: hope you call back. All right, good enough, take care
Speaker 1: of yourself. To Dallas and rick it's been a minute.
Speaker 1: Ricky was sterling on the Big One. What do you have?
Speaker 8: How you I was six years old, yeah, Nightete sixty? Yes, right,
Speaker 8: I can remember when Kennedy won that election.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 8: And I can also remember I actually saw, uh I
Speaker 8: was all get shot on TV live. I saw it
Speaker 8: live a black white or television.
Speaker 1: What was that like? Because I've seen video of that
Speaker 1: and anyone who's watched, you know, documentaries about it or
Speaker 1: even watching The mad Men Show, where they, you know,
Speaker 1: did such a great job generationally showing where we were
Speaker 1: as a world at a certain window of time as
Speaker 1: a period piece, and the way it affected people when
Speaker 1: that went down, describing it watching it the way you did.
Speaker 1: But as a young man, what did that do to you?
Speaker 1: I mean, that's an insane thing to see.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I looked at it, you know, first I didn't
Speaker 8: realize what I just saw. And I say this because
Speaker 8: uh uh, you know Jack Ruby. So he jumped out
Speaker 8: of it. He came out of the corner and he
Speaker 8: pulled the gun. He put he stepped the gun in
Speaker 8: his reel bay, squeeze the trigger, and it looked unreal.
Speaker 8: You said, Well, did I was that real? You know,
Speaker 8: that's the first thing I thought. I said, Oh, that
Speaker 8: guy really shot that guy.
Speaker 1: You know, I can't imagine. And as jaded as we
Speaker 1: all are now and we're used to seeing things happen
Speaker 1: almost instantaneously, it is somewhat bewildering to me, you know,
Speaker 1: to imagine what it must have been like at that
Speaker 1: point as a young person to see something like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole world turned upside down.
Speaker 10: Rick.
Speaker 1: It's always good to talk to you. Me and I
Speaker 1: hate to be brief, but I got a bounce. We'll
Speaker 1: give these a final two here a minute or so
Speaker 1: each and then uh, we'll stop for news. You're eleven
Speaker 1: o'clock reporting. Doctor Donald Schlet going to join us with
Speaker 1: some insights in the Minneapolis situation and so much else
Speaker 1: going on too Loveland. Joe and then e J was
Speaker 1: sterling on the big one. Joe, what do you have
Speaker 1: what's your first memory of newsworthy stuff from your youth?
Speaker 5: Jab gay?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you all right?
Speaker 12: And I was in great spurn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just got you at the wrong time. I got
Speaker 1: you a lot of people deal over, big deal, no
Speaker 1: big deal.
Speaker 10: No I'm not sick.
Speaker 12: Okay, just a little four twenty A little four twenty.
Speaker 1: Oh, I saw, I got you a little attitude adjustment
Speaker 1: here after ten o'clock.
Speaker 12: Oh, you know, I was.
Speaker 1: I was on hold for a while, but I understand.
Speaker 12: I too, was in great school when JFK got shot.
Speaker 12: And I remember Beverly Hill supper Club. My grandma lived
Speaker 12: over on Warren Court and we could see it from
Speaker 12: her house on the hill.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 12: He was right about twenty seven, so that's wild. I mean,
Speaker 12: that's childhood. But I was born in fifty eight.
Speaker 1: So gotcha. It's interesting to hear that sort of separation
Speaker 1: decade by decade and what sort of resonates and sticks
Speaker 1: with people. Joe, I appreciate the call men. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Hope the rest of your night and your weekend goes well.
Speaker 1: To appreciate you. Listening uh to west Elton, I think
Speaker 1: or west Ellis with E J with Sterling on the
Speaker 1: big one, final one here before the break, h new
Speaker 1: story that sticks out from your youth. We're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I can remember that because it's usually something monumental that
Speaker 1: grabs us. Hey, Sarny, Hey, what do you happen?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: This is this is EJ.
Speaker 13: I want to say EJ from meeting, but it's basically
Speaker 13: Westellitton somewhere else now but Watergate Watergate to me, And
Speaker 13: the reason is the Nixon thing. Watergate in the seventies.
Speaker 13: Remember that. Oh yeah, yeah water Nixon. Okay, And anyway,
Speaker 13: we had a creek down a street on Wolf Road
Speaker 13: in the West Alex Treble County that we used to
Speaker 13: swim in all the time. I'm like ten years old
Speaker 13: or something like that. And down the creek about I
Speaker 13: don't know, uh, I don't know, half a mile or
Speaker 13: something like that quarter mile, there used to be a
Speaker 13: gate that some guy had cows or some farmer had cows,
Speaker 13: and he had a gate he put across the creek
Speaker 13: so the cows could walk across the creek. I'm trying
Speaker 13: to make get this fast anyway, and it flood they
Speaker 13: would open up the water gate. So what warses gateaway?
Speaker 13: And I used to come home from school or whatever
Speaker 13: and see this nix is my mom and dad be
Speaker 13: watching Nixon on TV. The order Gate scam, so.
Speaker 1: You thought it was about that and the Gattle getting
Speaker 1: across the I totally believe you. That's the best DJ.
Speaker 1: I hate to be brief. That's tremendous. I totally get it,
Speaker 1: and I haven't matured much more than that in my
Speaker 1: experience either. Straight away, you're eleven o'clock report, doctor Donas
Speaker 1: Schleg joins me on the other side. Appreciate you being here.
Speaker 1: Friday night Home of the Red Sterling seven hundredu WLW,
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Speaker 1: Right now, former head of political science. She's a Cincinnati
Speaker 1: kid Wright State University professor, Amerida. Now with me, it's
Speaker 1: doctor Donna Schleck. Welcome back to the Big One. Seven
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Speaker 14: It's been quite a crazy week. All is well here?
Speaker 14: You know, we're gearing up for a serious weekend of
Speaker 14: some football. Yes, and I'm shocked. I'm shocked that there's
Speaker 14: point shaving happening, legalized gambling. What could go wrong?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, sometimes people get a little greedy and
Speaker 1: some people want an unfair advantage and they'll grease some
Speaker 1: problems to get it. Hopefully they'll get it all cleaned up.
Speaker 1: That's the hope, right, I mean, we want integrity in that,
Speaker 1: like we do in just about everything else.
Speaker 14: Hopefully it'll be our government at work for us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of which, go ahead, I'm sorry, go ahead, No.
Speaker 14: I'm looking forward to our conversation. Where would you like
Speaker 14: to start?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, there is so much going on, but
Speaker 1: I think right now the headline of headlines is that
Speaker 1: they're ongoing protest on the ground and tussles with engagements
Speaker 1: that have gotten quite violent and led to one shooting
Speaker 1: of missus Good who has left her partner behind, her
Speaker 1: wife and some kids. That's being investigated. There have been
Speaker 1: questions about that it has taken a more serious turn
Speaker 1: subsequent to it. If that's even possible another shooting with
Speaker 1: someone apparently trying to evade allegedly Ice and Border patrol.
Speaker 1: This continues to go on. The President dangled out the
Speaker 1: idea of the Insurrection Act, and then of course Governor Walls,
Speaker 1: tim Wall's former vice presidential candidate, and the mayor of
Speaker 1: Minneapolis Fry apparently it talked about the idea of the
Speaker 1: tenth Amendment. Same thing in the state of Illinois. Can
Speaker 1: you explain Tenth Amendment issues surrounding policing on the ground
Speaker 1: in a state compared to say, DC in the federal level,
Speaker 1: and them getting involved because of the call about Insurrection
Speaker 1: Act is also a fairly serious step.
Speaker 14: It is. And even before we get there, a judge
Speaker 14: just ruled tonight, a district judge telling Ice they may
Speaker 14: not pepper spray or use tear gas against the protesters,
Speaker 14: and she also reiterated that they may not be detained. Now, obviously,
Speaker 14: if you interfere with operations, that's a different matter. But
Speaker 14: but but the protection of these individuals, and this goes
Speaker 14: to the authority who you know, who will have authority here.
Speaker 14: It's such an interesting ongoing conversation. Here we are at
Speaker 14: a States Rights argument. Uh, And you know, so many
Speaker 14: cases have been argued already abortions for example, who who
Speaker 14: will make the rules about transgender athletes? States rights? States rights?
Speaker 14: And we're coming down to a states rights argument as well,
Speaker 14: as you also may have noted earlier, the mayor and
Speaker 14: the governor have been subpoened looking into the corruption case
Speaker 14: in terms of all the public spending. So they filed
Speaker 14: three or four motions, you know, trying to go at
Speaker 14: the federal operation from a number of different angles. Are
Speaker 14: they going to get emergency attention to it? I don't
Speaker 14: think so. My question tonight is where is this going?
Speaker 14: And is there any chance that someone, somehow we will
Speaker 14: be able to de escalate the situation. And how did
Speaker 14: Obama manage to arrest and deport five million people during
Speaker 14: his presidency without demonstrations like this?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well what happened then? Because I don't know that
Speaker 1: a lot of people doctor Schliheck were paying attention except
Speaker 1: people that were directly involved with that. So what is
Speaker 1: the difference? I mean, the President Obama stayed a fairly
Speaker 1: low profile with it at the time. President Trump, of course,
Speaker 1: has made this effectively a pillar or a lynchpin in
Speaker 1: his presidency and effectively that helped get him re elected.
Speaker 14: A lot of the arrests under Obama were at the border.
Speaker 14: What they avoided doing was going into homes and places
Speaker 14: of business. Right, does this sound familiar a little bit?
Speaker 14: It's it definitely should. The story out of Minneapolis today
Speaker 14: was dining in a in a in a Somali restaurant
Speaker 14: and then arresting the workers afterwards. But to come back
Speaker 14: to your question about the Tenth Amendment, it's it is
Speaker 14: a question about who will have jurisdiction, who will have authority,
Speaker 14: And you know, the Tenth Amendment leaves you know, a
Speaker 14: lot to the states, right, But this is a federal
Speaker 14: immigration case. You see the problem and the expectation is
Speaker 14: I don't think it's a very strong argument. It's federal immigration.
Speaker 14: These are federal authorities. The judge who ruled today about
Speaker 14: the treatment of the protesters said, you know, you may
Speaker 14: not arrest if you don't have documentation. You may not
Speaker 14: arrest you know, citizens, certainly unless they are interfering with
Speaker 14: your operation. But Minnesota is asking the courts to, you know,
Speaker 14: to rule on a case of states rights and state authority.
Speaker 14: I'm not particularly persuaded. I don't think most people hearing
Speaker 14: the argument would be it's our immigration problems, our border issue. Customs.
Speaker 14: Immigration are federal in scope. They happen to be focused
Speaker 14: in Minneapolis right now. But I think it's one of those,
Speaker 14: you know, very very slender case. They've got a couple
Speaker 14: of other arguments that they are making before the justices
Speaker 14: right now. I share your concern though about the Insurrection Act.
Speaker 14: We have to go back to Rodney King. I know
Speaker 14: you're not old enough to remember Rodney King nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's very funny.
Speaker 14: I followed it. You do remember them somewhat, at least
Speaker 14: you've seen stories. And the state had to ask the
Speaker 14: said to come in, so that's that is the standard.
Speaker 14: But when you read the Insurrection Acts, it's short, it's vague,
Speaker 14: it's broad, and who has the power to declare it?
Speaker 14: One person, the President, under what conditions the ones that
Speaker 14: he that he cites, So he has incredibly broad authority
Speaker 14: and it's not invoked often. Is this a Rodney King situation?
Speaker 14: The irony, of course, is that Minneapolis and twenty twenty
Speaker 14: dealt with riot's protests having to do with George Floyd.
Speaker 14: Correct Another one of those weird coincidences in this case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very troubling. I can remember the Rodney King
Speaker 1: thing and how that related. I can remember being on
Speaker 1: the air at Tui and Dayton, which is a rock
Speaker 1: station for those who don't know, and the TV on
Speaker 1: and looking up and seeing that white Bronco being chased
Speaker 1: slowly on the five I believe is what it was
Speaker 1: in southern California in the midst of all that subsequent
Speaker 1: to it, with the OJ thing and everything else, sort
Speaker 1: of in and around that whole window of time where
Speaker 1: all kinds of weird stuff was happening, seemingly.
Speaker 14: The slow motion car chase, yeah right, yeah, correct on
Speaker 14: the interstate in California. This is before the age of
Speaker 14: drones as well, but with helicopter coverage. So to come
Speaker 14: back to Minneapolis, local state authority basically overwhelmed right now,
Speaker 14: just by the two or three thousand person delegation that's
Speaker 14: that's been sent up there. The mobilization of communities and
Speaker 14: citizen groups is something that I've been interested to watch.
Speaker 14: You know, the communication networks, it's usually just a WhatsApp
Speaker 14: chat or a text and distribution of whistles, right, but
Speaker 14: a lot of the people who are protesting is this
Speaker 14: is not all blue haired and middle aged white ladies
Speaker 14: out there protesting as well. The community solidarity is something
Speaker 14: that I think is is being demonstrated, whether it is
Speaker 14: the late night protests at the federal facility, but the
Speaker 14: way citizens alert neighbors when they think ICE might be
Speaker 14: in the neighborhood. It's toughened public response despite as you said,
Speaker 14: one death and at least one one shooting. But the
Speaker 14: public doesn't seem to be in a mood to back down.
Speaker 14: And of course, in situations like this, who de escalates?
Speaker 1: Well, and that's who was the question?
Speaker 5: How?
Speaker 1: How how does this back off in a situation like this,
Speaker 1: Doctor O'dona Schlechts, the former head of political science at
Speaker 1: right stage, she's not Professor Meredith was sterling on the
Speaker 1: Big One talking about what's going on in the Twin Cities, Minneapolis,
Speaker 1: Saint Paul, Minnesota.
Speaker 5: So in a.
Speaker 1: Situation like this and the you know, interfering with ice
Speaker 1: border patrol agencies they go about their work. There has
Speaker 1: been questioned about how involved Minneapolis police or Saint Paul
Speaker 1: police have been allowed to be involved. We know that
Speaker 1: they were shut out of this investigation around MS Goods
Speaker 1: killing and how that played out in the talk of
Speaker 1: absolute immunity, which I think has a lot of people rankled,
Speaker 1: regardless of political ideology. To the idea that somehow there
Speaker 1: is no check in balance for law enforcement on the street,
Speaker 1: federal level, or otherwise is somewhat suspect. I think, where
Speaker 1: is the line as far as interfering with these people
Speaker 1: doing their work, and what I mean by that is
Speaker 1: showing up as a crowd, filming them from a distance,
Speaker 1: not engaging, not physically interfering. Where is the line there
Speaker 1: of what's acceptable and not. I know they're teaching people
Speaker 1: some of this, but we've seen a lot of these
Speaker 1: protesters cross that line and engage physically. And some of
Speaker 1: the border patroll or ICE agents also seemingly quite aggressive
Speaker 1: in making some type of point with the protesters as well.
Speaker 14: Boy, you know, these conversations are so painful. I mean,
Speaker 14: this is Ohio, right, We had a can state situation
Speaker 14: here ourselves. It's it's it's it's very troubling. The level
Speaker 14: of organization seems to be sporadic. You know, it's the Internet,
Speaker 14: it's it's what app The neighborhood groups show up when
Speaker 14: when they're alerted that there is ice there. But the
Speaker 14: judge ruled today that you have a right uh to film,
Speaker 14: you have a right to observe uh and and not
Speaker 14: be impeded uh in that you have a right, she said,
Speaker 14: to even follow, but not obstruct, not obstruct their vehicles
Speaker 14: if you're in traffic, but the moment there is obstruction,
Speaker 14: then the rules will change if you begin interfering. And
Speaker 14: of course that's when things get messy, really messy, with
Speaker 14: a lot of people who may never have been UH
Speaker 14: trained to deal with crowd control under circumstances in which
Speaker 14: you know, the hostility I suspect is quite palpable people.
Speaker 14: You know, the agents know that they're not welcome, and
Speaker 14: they're being filmed uh in incredible stress on the people
Speaker 14: who've been sent there, And a lot of questions have
Speaker 14: been raised about their training and fairly, but a lot
Speaker 14: more questions have been raised about the lack of an
Speaker 14: investigation into the death of an American citizen. Well, true,
Speaker 14: I'm sorry, we don't want to we don't want to
Speaker 14: let that one go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, when we shouldn't, I mean, all the way around,
Speaker 1: you want it to be investigated and open in the
Speaker 1: daylight for everyone to see, so that you know, it's
Speaker 1: just bewildering where we are right now. I don't think honestly,
Speaker 1: and I'm a fairly independent minded person and more of
Speaker 1: a libertarian, but I don't think anybody wants law enforcement
Speaker 1: around doing the job without being identified. I don't think
Speaker 1: most people are happy at a time when you see
Speaker 1: around the world news stories of marauding gangs, be it
Speaker 1: enforcers for other regimes and other countries that we talk
Speaker 1: about as being our enemy or needing our help to
Speaker 1: help get them freedom and law enforcement on the streets
Speaker 1: from regard, and I have friends in law enforcement. This
Speaker 1: is not an anti law enforcement rant, but the idea
Speaker 1: that you can have law enforcement with firepower, with authority
Speaker 1: and immune unity, not necessarily always identifying themselves face is
Speaker 1: covered showing up in the middle of the night while
Speaker 1: you're on the job or at a school, regardless of
Speaker 1: the threat of docsing asking for people's papers to identify
Speaker 1: themselves to prove that you're a US citizen. A lot
Speaker 1: of people say, you know what, that's infringing upon my
Speaker 1: rights in my liberties, and who are they to ask
Speaker 1: me anything that's a tough place to be in.
Speaker 14: I think that sentiment that it's gone too far is
Speaker 14: being reflected very very clearly in some of the recent
Speaker 14: polling that we see not necessarily objecting to the removal
Speaker 14: of illegals.
Speaker 10: Oh.
Speaker 14: The judges order tonight made it very plain you have
Speaker 14: a right to ask officers to identify themselves under what
Speaker 14: authority are they acting? You have a right to ask
Speaker 14: for a badge number. Her order will be a good
Speaker 14: checklist of instructions about rights that you do enjoy if
Speaker 14: it comes to a confrontation. But your point about being
Speaker 14: asked to prove your citizenship, that should chill Americans. You know,
Speaker 14: you've not had to carry your identification papers in this
Speaker 14: country since probably World War Two. That one is deeply
Speaker 14: troubling to people's center left and right. You know, the
Speaker 14: when you empower law enforcement, you arm them, you train them,
Speaker 14: there has to be there have to be rules, and
Speaker 14: there has to be accountability.
Speaker 1: It puts them there needs to be and I think
Speaker 1: most of the people that I know that are in
Speaker 1: law enforcement and first responders, et cetera, they will agree
Speaker 1: with that. And you put them in a really uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: compromised position in this but a lot of what we've seen,
Speaker 1: and it's hard if you're in that day after day
Speaker 1: getting yelled at it, and you know, whistles blown and
Speaker 1: in your face and saying all kinds of hateful stuff
Speaker 1: as you're trying to go about your work. And you
Speaker 1: know they need to be professional and let that roll
Speaker 1: off of them as they try to go about it.
Speaker 1: But it's a very disconcerting circumstance in which we're living.
Speaker 1: It's an odd disc.
Speaker 14: And law enforcement in Minneapolis and in the states Minnesota
Speaker 14: have been put in an even worse position. You know
Speaker 14: that they've been pushed aside. But when there's an emergency
Speaker 14: and you think ICE or someone is breaking you down
Speaker 14: your front door, they call the local police.
Speaker 1: Right, so then they one and if they're not already
Speaker 1: there working in concert with ICE, in the Border Patrol
Speaker 1: and whatever other federal agency alphabet soup is there, whether
Speaker 1: they're openly identifiable or not, which sometimes they're not, Which
Speaker 1: is the problem that I have because if somebody just
Speaker 1: rolls up to me while I'm driving down Montgomery Road
Speaker 1: or anywhere else in the tri State, and they may
Speaker 1: have blinking lights, but I don't know who the hell
Speaker 1: they are, and they're not you know, labeled as you know,
Speaker 1: state trooper, County sheriff, Cincinnati Police, Daton Police, whatever else
Speaker 1: it is is I'm going to be very very much
Speaker 1: lacking in my willingness to engage them. The only difference
Speaker 1: is when they you know, they have firepower that they
Speaker 1: put in your face to show you they can end you.
Speaker 1: Which things get pretty serious. Whether it's a criminal or
Speaker 1: a cop trying to do their job. It's a bad,
Speaker 1: bad situation that we're navigating right now. I don't know
Speaker 1: the way about it. Curling, I wish I did skirling.
Speaker 14: How much trust has been lost and been eroded in
Speaker 14: this process? Yes, I think being skeptical of authority, that's
Speaker 14: an American tradition, you know, being asked to, you know,
Speaker 14: say what is your authority?
Speaker 5: Why are you here?
Speaker 14: You know, do you have paperwork? Do you have an
Speaker 14: arrest warrant? That that's every American's right. Those through the guidelines.
Speaker 14: We expect law enforcement to abide by the specific rules
Speaker 14: about masks. A couple of recent cases have tried to
Speaker 14: strike down local rules against that. That one will be
Speaker 14: litigated probably long after you know, this situation has been resolved.
Speaker 14: But that fundamental trust that law enforcement needs, and that
Speaker 14: the police in Minneapolis have been working their tales off
Speaker 14: since the George Floyd situation in twenty twenty to try
Speaker 14: to rebuild in the community. And it is just it's
Speaker 14: a law enforcement disaster across the board.
Speaker 1: I hope that this does not escalate. I'm in some
Speaker 1: ways surprised that it has not gotten worse sooner as
Speaker 1: this has moved on. And obviously a lot of it's
Speaker 1: made for TV, made for soundbites, made to deliberately instill
Speaker 1: fear and to polarize people. It's just the nature of
Speaker 1: I guess, the business of politic today. But it's troubling
Speaker 1: on the streets of this country. It shouldn't be that way,
Speaker 1: in my opinion. I wish we had more time, but
Speaker 1: we're out of it. Thank you for doing what you
Speaker 1: do and making time so late. I know you got
Speaker 1: a lot going on. Professor Meredith from Wright State former
Speaker 1: had a political science She is a Cincinnati kid. Doctor
Speaker 1: Dona schleg thank you so much for doing what you
Speaker 1: do and giving us some time on the big one.
Speaker 14: Good night, Sterling.
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