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Speaker 1: It's the weekend Sterling back seven hundred WLW, guy who

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Speaker 1: knows from betting in sports for ESPN chalk. You may

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Speaker 1: have even seen him all over TV the last couple

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Speaker 1: of days. I know I have David Purdham. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 2: How are you man, I'm doing great, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: You know, usually I'm here to talk about like odds

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Speaker 1: of sports betting things come up. But a couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks ago was the NBA thing. We've talked about point

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Speaker 1: shaving and stuff like that too. The last couple of

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Speaker 1: days it's been in the NCAA basketball sort of realm,

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Speaker 1: if you will, Can you break down in short order

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Speaker 1: what exactly has transpired and where we are now sitting

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Speaker 1: in the midst of what continues to be I guess

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Speaker 1: an evolving story and court proceeding.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so. Yesterday federal authorities in the Eastern District

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Speaker 2: of Pennsylvania unsealed a seventy page indictment that outlined a

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Speaker 2: point shavings that had been going on for the previous

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Speaker 2: two seasons. Thirty twenty six people were indicted. Thirty nine

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Speaker 2: was a thirty nine games, some of the twenty five

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Speaker 2: games something around there dozens of games. Seventeen college teams

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Speaker 2: had players on there that had been impacted. And this

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Speaker 2: thing went on for two years. It was a gambling

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Speaker 2: ring that has some crossover to the people that were

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Speaker 2: involved in the NBA betting scandals from earlier. This fall

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Speaker 2: their last ball, I should say, So, yeah, that's where

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Speaker 1: It's ugly, it really is so. David Purdam from ESPN

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Speaker 1: Chalk was sterling on the big one. So when you

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Speaker 1: think about the sheer number of colleges and universities playing

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Speaker 1: basketball competitively across the United States, I mean, how many

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Speaker 1: student athletes and how many schools are involved. To say

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Speaker 1: that twenty or twenty five particular games or teams and

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Speaker 1: twenty students seems really small. But when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the integrity of the game, it's a pretty big deal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 2: It is a big deal, and I certainly when I

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Speaker 2: put this out here, just I want people to realize that, yes,

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Speaker 2: we do not want any games fixed. However, there are

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Speaker 2: six thousand men's college basketball games perst season roughly six

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Speaker 2: thousand a little bit over actually six thousand games, so

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Speaker 2: two years. This thing went on for two years, and

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Speaker 2: the FEDS found that they had manipulated or got kids

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Speaker 2: to compromise twenty nine of those games. So twenty nine

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Speaker 2: games and look at a twelve thousand. It's not a lot.

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Speaker 2: It's too many, right, it's too many. We don't want that.

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Speaker 2: But saying that we're going to completely eliminate and not

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Speaker 2: have game fixing, it just kind of flies in the

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Speaker 2: face of history because college basketball, you can go back

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Speaker 2: to the nineteen fifties, has always had an issue with

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Speaker 2: point shaving schemes, and in the nineties it's forged all

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Speaker 2: the way up into the mid two thousands, all the

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Speaker 2: way to the legalization of sports betting in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 2: About every three to five years you would get a

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Speaker 2: point shape scale that would pop up. Now, this one

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Speaker 2: is bigger than all those probably put together. But I

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Speaker 2: just think that people should before they start going, oh,

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Speaker 2: everything is rigged, right, Well, no, not everything is rigged.

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Speaker 2: A small, very percentage of games college basketball games have

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Speaker 1: Talking to David Perdamy covers sports betting for ESPN Chalk

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Speaker 1: with Stirling on seven hundred WLW. So how did this

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Speaker 1: end up getting the attention of law enforcement? Because my

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Speaker 1: guess is all above board betting houses. I mean, they're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, prop bets weren't a factor in these games. These

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Speaker 2: fix complete games, point spreads and first halfs. But you

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Speaker 2: they figured it out? Again, there's that crossover. There's two

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Speaker 2: They got somea forre NBA players that were over there,

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Speaker 2: Bribes are ten thousand to thirty thousand dollars according to

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Speaker 2: the indictment. Hey we'll give you this in exchange. You

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Speaker 2: play poorly in this game right here, so we can

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Speaker 1: And when it comes down to the integrity of the game,

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Speaker 1: I mean, as a fan, there's one thing. As a conference,

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Speaker 1: an issue with the players. There's a question obviously. Also,

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Speaker 1: then everyone else who's throwing money on the line for

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Speaker 2: I mean people always oh, the bookmakers are in on

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Speaker 2: this stuff happens, right, It's their money that is taken

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Speaker 2: because they took two large e bets on these obscure games,

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Speaker 2: these twenty nine games have a compromise. It's all small schools, right,

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Speaker 2: think you know what, I'm probably not going to the NBA,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean local news here without being specific, I

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Speaker 1: So moving forward then, am I guessing that the NCAA

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Speaker 2: They do the kids do get education, and they do

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Speaker 2: The problem is that, like I said before, you're never

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Speaker 2: Of course, until we figure out a way to decrease

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and that's sort of the nature of anything,

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Speaker 2: It's very, very, very difficult environment right now. It's unfortunate

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Speaker 1: was disturbing. I mean, I don't know how they got

432
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Speaker 1: that movie made, or though they made more than one

433
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Speaker 1: of those EP.

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Speaker 5: Well, first of all, it was like a European production

435
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Speaker 5: and Tom six did it, and I can't remember what

436
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Speaker 5: country he did in, but it was somewhere in Europe,

437
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Speaker 5: and it was at the time. This was when the

438
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Speaker 5: first Human Centipede came out. There was seems there seemed

439
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Speaker 5: to be this game going on with horror filmmakers's to

440
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Speaker 5: who could make the most disturbing movie. And for a

441
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Speaker 5: while there was Takashimi Iki's stuff like Ichi the Killer

442
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Speaker 5: or then they're they're doing. Then you had Martyrs coming out,

443
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Speaker 5: which was a French movie that's pretty intense. And then

444
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Speaker 5: and then Human Centipede's like, oh wait minute, and then

445
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 5: and then the Serbian films like Hold My Beer and

446
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 5: kind of topped everything off, and it kind of ended.

447
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Speaker 5: I can't even tell you on the radio what a

448
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Speaker 5: Serbian film is about. But it was so extreme in

449
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Speaker 5: order to be real, at least in America, they had

450
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Speaker 5: to make cuts to get an NC seventeen rating. That's

451
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Speaker 5: like the worst rating you could get. There's nothing higher

452
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Speaker 5: than that. But they wouldn't even grant it an NC

453
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Speaker 5: seventeen rating until they made some cuts.

454
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Speaker 1: Now to bring up the rating thing. By the way,

455
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Speaker 1: Kevin Carr silver Gecko on Substeck was sterling on the

456
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Speaker 1: big one. So the rating system, it's a very odd,

457
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Speaker 1: arbitrary sort of circumstance. Other countries have their own ratings thing.

458
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Speaker 1: I don't know how much of that plays into anything

459
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Speaker 1: that's streaming these days, because nothing has to be approved

460
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Speaker 1: for streaming, right, But it is about going to the

461
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Speaker 1: theater and having it projected on a screen in public.

462
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Speaker 5: Correct, Well, it's it's because it's part of the emotion

463
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Speaker 5: bigger Association of America the MPAA or the MPa I

464
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Speaker 5: think is what it's called now. That's sort of like

465
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Speaker 5: they in this in the seventies sometime they basically there

466
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Speaker 5: was always throughout the since the beginning a film, there

467
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 5: were people trying to ban certain films and trying to

468
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Speaker 5: restrict what can be played, and so the Motion Picture

469
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Speaker 5: Association basically made its own self governing thing where they

470
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Speaker 5: have these people watching it and then they'd self rate them.

471
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Speaker 5: There's no no legal or governmental in control in this.

472
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Speaker 5: It's just the people in who make the movies did it.

473
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Speaker 5: But you're right, that was so they could be released

474
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Speaker 5: in theaters and then they were sort of like granted,

475
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Speaker 5: oh it's a g rated thing, so most movie theaters

476
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Speaker 5: will play it and then play PG movies. Once you

477
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Speaker 5: started getting above R, which was originally X and then

478
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Speaker 5: became NC seventeen in the eighties or early nineties, that

479
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Speaker 5: was those are the ones that like certain theaters wouldn't

480
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Speaker 5: show because of like community standards. So it was it

481
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Speaker 5: was self in put on. And there are a lot

482
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Speaker 5: of movies that were released underneath it that just were unrated,

483
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Speaker 5: you know, movies like Cannibal Holocaust, or you know, like

484
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Speaker 5: last house on the left of those got got got

485
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Speaker 5: a rating because they just knew him. They just played

486
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Speaker 5: at independent movie houses and that sort of thing.

487
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Speaker 1: And that was sort of the drawl in effect. I mean,

488
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Speaker 1: it was not drastically different than say the nineties, I

489
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Speaker 1: guess the late eighties when it became the parental advisory

490
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Speaker 1: sticker on CDs. If people can remember compact disc or

491
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Speaker 1: records or even tapes, I guess we're sort of going

492
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Speaker 1: away at that point.

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Speaker 5: See, that was that was like think in the in

494
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Speaker 5: the nineties because it was it was Tipper Gore of

495
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 5: all people that was, oh yeah, that was spearheading that

496
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Speaker 5: as the second lady. So it would have been like

497
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Speaker 5: ninety two, ninety three, ninety four I think was when

498
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Speaker 5: that was going on. And of course there's a great

499
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Speaker 5: thing with Frank Zappa, that being he testified to Congress

500
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Speaker 5: about it. And of course Frank Zapper was he was smarter.

501
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Speaker 5: He was always the smartest guy in the room, and

502
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Speaker 5: he knew how to approach it and and and make

503
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Speaker 5: it look ridiculous.

504
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Speaker 1: D Snyder from Twisted Sister the same thing, and people

505
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Speaker 1: were sort of shocked to come in there looking like wackos. Oh,

506
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: these are hard rock guys. You don't know anything, and

507
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: they did. They they literally just shut the room up

508
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Speaker 1: because they made too much sense, which was kind of

509
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Speaker 1: nice and gratifying.

510
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Speaker 5: So you're right streaming as no, there's no thing, and

511
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Speaker 5: like HBO, Well HBO was playing that game before, you know,

512
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Speaker 5: before really streaming came on, because they were doing it

513
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Speaker 5: with Game of Thrones. There's stuffing Game of Thrones that

514
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Speaker 5: you'd never get released in the movie theater.

515
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Speaker 1: No, I'm still traumatized. Well, you know, a little bit

516
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 1: wholesome and innocent, don't you know? It was all for researchers.

517
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Speaker 1: All it's all h Is there anything else coming out

518
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: that we should be looking forward to besides what's already

519
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: out there? Now the twenty eight years later? Now Bone?

520
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Speaker 1: Uh what is it called Bone?

521
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Speaker 5: Bone Temple?

522
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Speaker 1: Can't want to say Bone City or Bone Town, which

523
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Speaker 1: is something else. I don't know what that is, but

524
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: it just sounds bad. Bone Temple.

525
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 5: Just just go randomly start asking people, Hey, do you

526
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Speaker 5: want to go to Bone?

527
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Speaker 1: No, I don't want to do. No, nothing good's gonna.

528
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 7: Come for that.

529
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Speaker 5: I dare you, I know, I know only if you're.

530
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Speaker 1: With me with a phone to film it, and then

531
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: there's a high. There's nothing good. All that gets me

532
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: is probably like a conversation with law enforcement and a

533
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: weird posting someplace, and then I'll not be doing this

534
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: anymore on the weekend, but begging for change someplace or

535
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'd be doing.

536
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 5: Look, it's a great way to get a room for

537
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Speaker 5: the night.

538
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, something anyway for the night. Maybe I don't know

539
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: about a room, a code, a cot in anything coming.

540
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Speaker 5: What is this?

541
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Speaker 1: By the way, somebody, my neighbor's kids, they tell me everything.

542
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: They're bringing Matta Gascar back. They're not redoing it, they're

543
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Speaker 1: just re releasing it. Is that? Is that accurate?

544
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 5: Probably they've been doing that a lot. That's really been

545
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 5: a thing that they started doing. Well, they kind of

546
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 5: always have done it, but really during COVID, when you

547
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 5: weren't getting big movies, a lot of times, especially drive

548
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 5: ins would bring back old movies. And nowadays you'll see

549
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 5: that a lot where they'll they'll show a movie they

550
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 5: just want to get butts in the seat because the

551
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 5: theater doesn't care what you pay to get in. That

552
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 5: just goes the people own the film.

553
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: They want to see, so you buy the.

554
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Speaker 5: Food, yeah, popcorn and drinks and all that kind of stuff.

555
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Speaker 5: That's why it's like like up in Columbus where I'm from,

556
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Speaker 5: they have the movie theaters that will show ow shoe games.

557
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Speaker 1: That's right.

558
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Speaker 5: And I'm sure there's places down in Cincinnati that show

559
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 5: like the Bearcat Game and the Bengals or whatever. And

560
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 5: it's just that you don't have to pay. You just

561
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 5: go in, but you got to buy beer, and that's

562
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 5: just fun.

563
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Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. I love the theater experience for

564
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Speaker 1: just about everything. I just wondered about the Madagascar thing

565
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Speaker 1: because that's been what fifteen twenty years, and that's a

566
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Speaker 1: window and that's isn't that about the time they start

567
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,959
Speaker 1: remaking movies anyway?

568
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Speaker 5: Well yeah, but I don't know how you remake Madagascar

569
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Speaker 5: and have it make look marginally different. I mean, Disney's

570
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 5: going through and making live action versions, and sometimes the

571
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Speaker 5: live action versions aren't quote because they did a quote

572
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 5: live action version of The Lion King, but right, there's

573
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 5: no photophotography in that. It was just all computer generated.

574
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Speaker 5: But they they're doing that. They got a new Majana

575
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 5: movie coming out that's the live action mawana.

576
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Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know.

577
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 5: But but again, if you're doing Madagascar, I just know

578
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 5: they're going to bring it back, probably because it's it's

579
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Speaker 5: the anniversary of it. Yeah, and for kids who are

580
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 5: like six, if you're like five or six when that

581
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 5: movie came out and you loved it, me in your

582
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 5: twenties now, and that's what people do. I was telling

583
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 5: my son, I said, I'm running into people, you know,

584
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 5: women in their thirties with with like Pokemon tattoos, nice

585
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 5: and and you're like, yeah, that's that's the next thing

586
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 5: that's and then you're gonna in a couple of years

587
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 5: there's gonna be like eighty year old grannies. And they

588
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 5: got like, oh and there's there's balbasar, you know on

589
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 5: the tattooed on my arm. You know that kind of thing.

590
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 5: So it's always about what you watch when you're a kid.

591
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Speaker 1: It's true. And these kids that from next door, I

592
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: mean I don't think they're middle school age maybe at best,

593
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: yet lower than that, So I mean they've clearly watched

594
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Speaker 1: or streamed it and they were just all excited telling

595
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Speaker 1: me about it. When I was out with the dog

596
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: the other day, I was like, well, I know who

597
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: to talk to about that.

598
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Speaker 5: A lot of times, Yeah, because they get they catch

599
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Speaker 5: it on screen streaming. Because I believe that was a

600
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Speaker 5: DreamWorks movie. I don't know who the Ronzi writes to it,

601
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 5: but it's out there somewhere. Everyone wants the kid content

602
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 5: on there. But then you could go to the theater

603
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 5: and if you're a little kid and you've seen Madagascar

604
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 5: sixteen times and you drag your parents, and your parents

605
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 5: is gonna whoever, You're gonna hate yourself for it, but

606
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 5: you'll take them to go see Madagascar in our room

607
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 5: full of screaming kids. Those kids are not like, excuse me,

608
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 5: I need to listen to this because I've never seen it.

609
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 5: They've all seen it, yeah, like many times, and they're

610
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Speaker 5: all gonna be chearing for it.

611
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Speaker 1: It'd be like us with pulp fiction or something. Yeah,

612
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: or maybe you imagine.

613
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 5: Going, yeah, going to a pulp fiction you know, revival movie.

614
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 5: That movie is what's thirty two years old, isn't it.

615
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, let's just stop talking about these

616
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: things now, because that's disturbing. I was only like eight

617
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: years old when that came out.

618
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Speaker 5: I think, yeah, you were a little older than that.

619
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Speaker 5: At rue, you were not born in nineteen eighty six.

620
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I was. I think I was here

621
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: and then went to New Orleans in that window of

622
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: time that it was out, and then came back. So yeah,

623
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: I was grown.

624
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: I was.

625
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: I was talking on the radio already, which is sick.

626
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't know what I've said, but hell,

627
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: I don't even know what I'm saying now except this

628
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: silver gecko on substack. Find Kevin Carr. He's there. Great

629
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: stuff to your mailbox. Always good to talk to you, man.

630
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: Enjoy the rest of your week in my best of

631
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: the family car.

632
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 5: All right, thank you, We'll talk to you later.

633
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: We'll see you later. Maybe you go check out that

634
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: twenty eight years later in the We'll see exactly how

635
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: disturbing it all plays out to be in the Bone Temple,

636
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: Quick break, Come Back, More to Do Mike d Wallspace

637
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: dot Com about astronauts coming back from the International Space

638
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: Station a little earlier than planned. Plus Donna Schleheck later

639
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: Professor Meredith from Wright State, former head of political Science,

640
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: talking about the Insurrection Act, what the tenth Amendment may

641
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: mean to the ongoing trials, tribulations, and combative nature of

642
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: stuff going on with ice, and to border patrol and

643
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: to people on the ground in Minneapolis, Saint Paul, and

644
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: well all over the country. Hang out more Sterling coming

645
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: up here seven hundred WULW. Well, the weekend's here. Sterling

646
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: back seven hundred WLW. About a week ago, there was

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Speaker 1: talk about illness on the International Space Station, so we

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Speaker 1: figured we'd reach out, and they've done. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's something they've never done except maybe in the movies,

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Speaker 1: which is go up and retrieve some people on the

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Speaker 1: space station and bringing them back. Mike d wallspaceflight and

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Speaker 1: tech editor from space dot com. He's also the author

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Speaker 1: of out There, which is a scientific guide to alien life, antimatter,

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Speaker 1: human space travel for the cosmically curious. I'm one of those,

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Speaker 1: and it's good reading. Welcome back to the Big One.

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Speaker 1: How are you, Mike?

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Speaker 7: Doing good? How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing okay. So this is a rare occurrence, right,

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Speaker 1: was it Crew eleven? I guess at the International Space Station?

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Speaker 1: They went and retrieved them and they just splashed back.

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Speaker 1: I think it was yesterday or the other day.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's it's yeah. It was like a six

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Speaker 7: month long SpaceX mission to the International Space Station. You know,

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Speaker 7: NASA contracted SpaceX to uh provide transportation for astronauts to

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Speaker 7: and from the International Space Station. And this this is

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Speaker 7: a mission that launched this past August. It was supposed

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Speaker 7: to be up for six months. You know, it's supposed

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Speaker 7: to come home like next month sometime. But like one

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Speaker 7: of the crew members we still don't know which one

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Speaker 7: because of medical privacy concerns, like suffered some sort of

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Speaker 7: ailments on orbit last just last week, and they quickly

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Speaker 7: decided they wanted to bring the whole crew home to

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Speaker 7: get it looked at on Earth. You know, where a doctor,

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Speaker 7: we have more doctors, we got, we got better equipment

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Speaker 7: to diagnose it and to treat it. And so yeah,

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Speaker 7: that just happened just a couple of days ago. They

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Speaker 7: came back everything that's fine apparently, and yeah, so and yeah,

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Speaker 7: yeah like it. Yeah, it was unprecedented. Nothing like this

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Speaker 7: has been done on the International Space Station ever, and

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Speaker 7: it's like twenty five years of astronaut occupy. So yeah,

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Speaker 7: it was. It was it was something that we hadn't

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Speaker 7: seen before.

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Speaker 1: Talking to Mike Wall from space dot Com, Stirling seven

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Speaker 1: hundred WLW so I think back to when I was

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Speaker 1: a little kid. It was towards the end days of

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Speaker 1: what was space Lab, and then came the Space Shuttle

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Speaker 1: and all of that and ferring people back and forth

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Speaker 1: and so forth, and the docking now with SpaceX and

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Speaker 1: all these other private entities that are sort of working

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Speaker 1: with NASA. It's kind of interesting, Mike. But the idea,

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Speaker 1: of course is I guess it's next month. The swing

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Speaker 1: around the Moon is expected with Artemis two. Is that right?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's the plan. It's not officially targeted for next month.

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Speaker 7: Artemis two is the mission we're talking about, which we'll

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Speaker 7: send four astronauts like around the Moon. They aren't going

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Speaker 7: to orbit the Moon. They're not going to land. They

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Speaker 7: just do like a slingshot kind of trajectory around the

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Speaker 7: Moon and come back to Earth after about ten days.

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Speaker 7: But still it'll be the first Moon mission with astronauts

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Speaker 7: on board since Apollo seventeen back in nineteen do so.

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Speaker 7: So NASA's targeting sort of early February for that launch,

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Speaker 7: but that's like really tentative.

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Speaker 5: Right now.

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Speaker 7: They're about to roll the Giant rocket out to the

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Speaker 7: launch pad. They're going to do that on Saturday, actually,

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Speaker 7: so take it from like the kind of high bay

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Speaker 7: where they stack the rocket and everything, roll it out

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Speaker 7: to the pad and do a bunch of tests, I

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Speaker 7: including like these fueling tests and all that stuff, and

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Speaker 7: if all that goes well, they could theoretically launch as

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Speaker 7: early as February sixth, but I don't I wouldn't expect that.

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Speaker 7: I think it'll probably take a little longer, and maybe

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Speaker 7: it'll March. It'll launch in maybe March or maybe April.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, we'll just on us have to wait and see.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that you know, we talked about

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Speaker 1: it before, you know, the need for clean up like

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Speaker 1: rumky waste up there to get space junk. We've talked

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Speaker 1: about the you know, the long term sort of idea

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Speaker 1: of going to Mars and in space travel and whether

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Speaker 1: there's a moon base or something else out there. The

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Speaker 1: question of health issues and how that's navigated by NASA

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Speaker 1: or whoever else internationally is involved in this. It gets

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Speaker 1: deep pretty fast because you can't only go and get

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Speaker 1: people who have a major health issue, so then you

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Speaker 1: have to start thinking about all those really sort of

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say cryptic, but sometimes dark movies

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Speaker 1: about what happens in space when someone gets sick or

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Speaker 1: has some type of problem. Do we know what their

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Speaker 1: plans are and how to work that moving ahead? And

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing this was an opportunity to learn a little

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Speaker 1: bit about how they might navigate and gate that in

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Speaker 1: the future too.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, and that, like it is a good question

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Speaker 7: people in I mean people like have asked NASA officials

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Speaker 7: that very question. You know, in the wake of this

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Speaker 7: problem that a nastronaut experience on the ISS, you know,

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Speaker 7: what does that make you think about Moon missions or

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Speaker 7: even going farther in the future, you know, I mean

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Speaker 7: NASA wants to send astronauts to Mars too, and then

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Speaker 7: not too distant future, So and that's even more risky,

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Speaker 7: right if you have some sort of health issue on

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Speaker 7: the way to Mars, it's like six months there and

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Speaker 7: six months back, you're not going to be able to

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Speaker 7: do like an evacuation really and come backtor So it

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Speaker 7: is something I don't think NASA has the answers to that.

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Speaker 7: They're certainly thinking about it, Like, I mean, maybe what

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Speaker 7: will end up happening as you launch, Like I don't know,

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Speaker 7: people with more medical training, maybe you have a crew

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Speaker 7: doctor on board all of these long term space missions.

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Speaker 7: If we're talking about future Moon missions, future Mars missions,

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Speaker 7: maybe every crew should have like one medical doctor on

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Speaker 7: board at the minimum. Like, I don't know, that's something

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Speaker 7: that we'll have to see going forward, don't. I don't

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Speaker 7: think NASA or its partners have the answers to that yet,

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Speaker 7: but they're certainly thinking about.

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Speaker 1: It in the timeline. Talking to Mike Wall by the

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Speaker 1: way Spaceflight to and tech it or from space dot com,

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Speaker 1: Stirling on the big one, where are we in the

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Speaker 1: scheme of things in a timeline do you think of

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Speaker 1: our space exploration? I mean, you know, we still kindergarten,

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Speaker 1: first grade, We're not yet to high school. I mean

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Speaker 1: I don't know how to gauge it or compare. I

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Speaker 1: certainly you know the new Star Trek that's coming out,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of other stuff you can't necessarily compare.

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Speaker 1: But so much of what those types of sci fi

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Speaker 1: shows have brought science an interest in people that are

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Speaker 1: actually making the decisions and designing things that the future

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Speaker 1: will bring all So I'm just kind of curious where

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Speaker 1: you think we fit on that continuum.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think we're still pretty early days now. Maybe

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Speaker 7: elementary school. If you're talking about if the if the

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Speaker 7: goal is to have I don't know, people living and

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Speaker 7: working off Earth in a in a real meaningful way,

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Speaker 7: then yeah, we're just getting started.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 7: We like we went to the Moon with Apollo in

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Speaker 7: the late sixties, early seventies, but that that was just

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Speaker 7: flags and footprints, right. We didn't stay there. We didn't

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Speaker 7: I mean, we didn't build a base that yet. Again,

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Speaker 7: I'm not trying to actually minimize that accomplishment was a

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Speaker 7: huge achievement, but it was designed to just land there

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Speaker 7: and come home safely. It wasn't designed to build a

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Speaker 7: base or anything like that. That's what NASA and a

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Speaker 7: lot of other exploration kids are trying to do now.

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Speaker 7: That's what a lot of the world spacel community is

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Speaker 7: working toward, and we're just the early stages of that

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Speaker 7: trying to figure out.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and so that's what that's why these Artemist missions

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Speaker 7: coming up. I mean, this next one Artemist too, is

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Speaker 7: a big deal because it's going to show that astronauts

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Speaker 7: can safely ride on the Giant Moon rocket. NASA has

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Speaker 7: space launches to rocket and the Orion spacecraft, which is

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Speaker 7: what they'll ride to the Moon and back. It will

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Speaker 7: kind of it'll kind of certify those vehicles for ashnout

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Speaker 7: flights and then lay the foundation for Artemis three in

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty seven or twenty twenty eight, which will actually

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Speaker 7: land astronauts on the Moon, and if that goes well,

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Speaker 7: then NASA will work toward actually building a base near

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Speaker 7: the lunar South Pole where there's thought to be a

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Speaker 7: lot of water ice that astronauts could access and use

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Speaker 7: to drink and to make rocket fuel and all that stuff.

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Speaker 7: So we're but we're still we still haven't launched a

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Speaker 7: person to the Moon since the seventies, right, so we're

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Speaker 7: still we're still early days, and we're still testing out

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Speaker 7: the equipment that is supposed.

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Speaker 6: To do that.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, we we've got the know how, but we

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Speaker 7: just have to prove that we can do it on

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Speaker 7: a bigger scale in a more ambitious way, which is

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Speaker 7: what we're trying to do moving forward.

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Speaker 1: I love that term flags and footprints, because that's what

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Speaker 1: it was. I wasn't really laughing about like where we

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Speaker 1: were on the continue, I was just thinking about it

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Speaker 1: was like that's true. I think he had a golf

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Speaker 1: ball and then they bailed out. It's just sort of

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Speaker 1: the way it went. Do we know, Mike, about what

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Speaker 1: the Chinese did up there? Did they actually have people

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Speaker 1: on the Moon or was that just a sort of

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Speaker 1: a like a rover they're checking stuff out on the

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Speaker 1: supposed or so called dark side.

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Speaker 7: They have launched a few robotic missions to the Moon.

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Speaker 7: Now China has and like include they are the first

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Speaker 7: country ever to put a rover down on the far

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Speaker 7: side of the Moon. But they also have ambitions to

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Speaker 7: put people on the Moon and to build a lunar base.

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Speaker 7: They've got this project with the Russians that wants to

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Speaker 7: do that in the mid twenty thirties, and they actually

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Speaker 7: want to put people down there by twenty thirty. That

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Speaker 7: their first astronauts on the Moon in four or five years,

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Speaker 7: which is pretty ambitious. But they've been making kind of

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Speaker 7: step wise progress toward it. So they're a legitimate threat

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Speaker 7: to kind of do it first, which is why you

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Speaker 7: hear a bunch of kind of moon race rhetoric coming

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Speaker 7: from our politicians and our kind of government officials and stuff.

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Speaker 7: I mean, there is this imperative in those circles to

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Speaker 7: do it before China does, to show that we're still

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Speaker 7: a top dog in space and all that stuff. This

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Speaker 7: is like kind of like a simple thing that NASA

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Speaker 7: and the US government are trying to do. But yeah,

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Speaker 7: I mean China is doing it more in the apollo

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Speaker 7: kind of manner where they're not their first missions are

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Speaker 7: going to be sort of Apollo like, they aren't doing

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Speaker 7: it in the sustainable way of our first missions are

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Speaker 7: going to start establishing a moon base, but they are

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Speaker 7: trying to build a base at some point in the

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Speaker 7: future too.

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Speaker 1: Mike Wallas from space dot com Spaceflight Editor Tech editor

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Speaker 1: was Stirling on seven hundred WLW. So that's interesting because

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Speaker 1: you mentioned the jockeing and posturing that's taking place politically,

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Speaker 1: but also the idea of strategizing for colony, colonizing for

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Speaker 1: one of a better way to describe it. And we're

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Speaker 1: talking about Greenland now, the threat of Russia and China

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Speaker 1: and how that deal may or may not go, whatever

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Speaker 1: is with that. I don't want to get political about it,

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Speaker 1: but it's really the same concept in space or even

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Speaker 1: at sea, especially as sort of all the big ice

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Speaker 1: is melting or they're in climate change and so forth,

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Speaker 1: whether it's jettising off this planet or anywhere else. It's

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Speaker 1: really the same game no matter what.

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Speaker 6: Correct.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and that sort of high season analogy is a

864
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Speaker 7: good one. That's why they say it's important for the

865
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Speaker 7: US to beat China back to the moon is because

866
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Speaker 7: whoever gets there first this time around and starts doing

867
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Speaker 7: things like scouting for resources and extracting resources and building

868
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Speaker 7: bases and stuff like that, they will get to kind

869
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Speaker 7: of set the procedures and the norms and the moon,

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Speaker 7: which are not very well laid out at this point

871
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Speaker 7: at all. So it will be kind of like a

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Speaker 7: high seas or a wild West sort of situation, is

873
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Speaker 7: what people are worried about. So whoever gets there first

874
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Speaker 7: has the chance to kind of set what will be

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Speaker 7: the norms of responsible behavior. That's what That's what kind

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Speaker 7: of military officials say, what government officials say here, and

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Speaker 7: we want to be that organization or that entity that

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Speaker 7: does that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes sense. What if I not ask in

880
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Speaker 1: relation to any of this or anything else that's worthy

881
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Speaker 1: of conversation when it comes to space stuff, because it

882
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Speaker 1: seems like every week there's a bunch of headlines, but

883
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Speaker 1: this has been, you know, a fast and heavy one,

884
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Speaker 1: because we're talking about people coming home who what are

885
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Speaker 1: planning on staying and it was obviously a health concern,

886
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Speaker 1: which is pretty wild.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, those are the two big ones, you know that

888
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Speaker 7: the Crew eleven, that the medical evacuation base and the

889
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Speaker 7: Artemis two ramp up and them happening back to back.

890
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Speaker 7: I think those are the Yeah, those are the big things,

891
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Speaker 7: you know what In like, while NASA is getting is

892
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Speaker 7: trying to do the Artemis two ramp up, they're also

893
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Speaker 7: they're preparing it with with SpaceX to launch Crew twelve,

894
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Speaker 7: which are the replacements for the Crew eleven astronauts who

895
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Speaker 7: had to come home a month early. So, like that's

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Speaker 7: schedule to launch on February fifteenth, which means for the

897
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Speaker 7: next like month or so, there will only be three

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Speaker 7: people on the International Space Missing puting only one NASA astronauts.

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Speaker 7: That's kind of interesting too because the baseline crew level

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Speaker 7: up there is seven, so they're going to be a

901
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Speaker 7: real skeleton crew for the next like month or so,

902
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Speaker 7: which is kind of interesting.

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Speaker 1: What do they do up there with that base crew

904
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Speaker 1: you say, of six or seven compared to this three?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know, the size of it is not

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Speaker 1: I mean, what's it comparable to here size wise as

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Speaker 1: far as modules for residential I guess a living or

908
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Speaker 1: functioning because they're up there working, they're not just kicking

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Speaker 1: back watching Netflix.

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Speaker 7: I'm guessing yeah, it's got about as much living area

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Speaker 7: as like a five bedroom house, I believe, is what

912
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Speaker 7: NASA says. And most of what the astronauts are doing

913
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Speaker 7: up there, in addition to the routine maintenance stuff, is

914
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Speaker 7: like scientific experiments, you know, doing a lot of studies

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Speaker 7: of how plants, like how seeds germinate in microgravity, like

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Speaker 7: how radiation affects like some bacteria and other single celled

917
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Speaker 7: organisms or mice and rats and stuff like that. There's

918
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Speaker 7: always a bunch of stuff like that going on, or

919
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Speaker 7: working to figure out how you can manufacture certain things

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Speaker 7: in microgravity. There are all these all these experiments that

921
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Speaker 7: go up there with each crew or each each cargo

922
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Speaker 7: ship because there so what's going to happen with the

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Speaker 7: three person crew is some of that experimental work. They're

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Speaker 7: going to be able to devote as much time to

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Speaker 7: the experiments, obviously, because the the crew of three has

926
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Speaker 7: to perform like the baseline maintenance stuff and just to

927
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Speaker 7: make sure everything's working fine. That's not something you can

928
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Speaker 7: skip on right. So with fewer people up there, that

929
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Speaker 7: just means there won't be as much time for the

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Speaker 7: astronauts to do some of the science work. And it

931
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Speaker 7: also means that they won't be able to do any

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Speaker 7: spacewalks really on the American side, because there's only one

933
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Speaker 7: NASA astronaut, and you don't do a spacewalk with one person.

934
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Speaker 7: There are always two person affairs for safety reasons. So

935
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Speaker 7: that's just another thing that they'll have to wait to do.

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Speaker 7: They actually had planned to do two spacewalks this month,

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Speaker 7: but those were canceled after the medical thing kind of

938
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Speaker 7: popped up with the crew eleven astronaut.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that took priority for sure. Now the other thing

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Speaker 1: I want to just before we let you hop and

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you and make it a time for us

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Speaker 1: here on the Friday Night Stirling with Mike Wall from

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Speaker 1: space dot Com. I know you've got some hoops action

944
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: with little one the young Wall shortly, so we appreciate it.

945
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Speaker 1: The Starlink satellite thing, which I think I actually saw

946
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Speaker 1: in the sky for the first time, maybe at a

947
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Speaker 1: week ago, give or take, which was pretty wild. I'd

948
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Speaker 1: seen it on video, but never in person. It was

949
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Speaker 1: a pretty interesting thing just for about the ten minutes

950
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Speaker 1: or less that I actually got to see it, sort

951
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Speaker 1: of moved through it, but it caame top of mind

952
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Speaker 1: again obviously with Iran and the government shutting down internet

953
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Speaker 1: and so forth, which is pretty standard in a lot

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Speaker 1: of places when war happens, either the enemy does it

955
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Speaker 1: or even I guess you know, a tyrant type of

956
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Speaker 1: government scenario, whatever you want to describe that as. But

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Speaker 1: they opened up Starlink for people to be able to

958
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Speaker 1: have access to get information and share it. How regularly

959
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: and how available are those star links to people just

960
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: in general? I mean you got to buy some you know,

961
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Speaker 1: like hardware gear for that. It's not like you can

962
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Speaker 1: just dial into it from your laptop of your phone,

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing. But what a great thing to be able

964
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Speaker 1: to do for people that would have been isolated otherwise.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you like, you have to buy a subscription, you

966
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Speaker 7: have to buy buy like a terminal from SpaceX to

967
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Speaker 7: be able to receive all the signals the Starlink satellite

968
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Speaker 7: send down. And they're almost ten thousand of them up

969
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 7: there now, and they they it's much less. It's it's

970
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Speaker 7: it's much harder to deprive your citizens of Internet if

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Speaker 7: it's coming from space obviously, then if it's like being

972
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Speaker 7: broadcast from towers here on Earth, so or fibers or whatever.

973
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Speaker 7: You can cut fibers, you can, you can go disable

974
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Speaker 7: the tower. But it is much harder for for like

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Speaker 7: a sovereign nation or an organization of some sort to

976
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Speaker 7: stop signals coming down from space. It's not it's it's

977
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Speaker 7: not impossible. You you actually can jam signals coming back

978
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Speaker 7: from space in the microwave spectrum, which like I think

979
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Speaker 7: Iran has been trying to do that with starlink and

980
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Speaker 7: maybe and may have even succeeded to some degree, Like

981
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Speaker 7: not sure what the most strustworthy accounts about that are,

982
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Speaker 7: but but I know Iran has been trying to do

983
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Speaker 7: that to keep the citizens in the dark, even from starlink.

984
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Speaker 7: So it's not like one hundred percent foolproof, but it's

985
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Speaker 7: much much harder to keep to cut those systems down

986
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Speaker 7: than the ground based systems.

987
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Speaker 2: For sure.

988
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Speaker 1: It's pretty wild because in the news, of course we've

989
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: heard about those cables in the ocean that have been

990
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 1: gouged and more than once actually, and then now this,

991
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: and then you start thinking about those flights that we

992
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: don't necessarily know that are dark from our military, and

993
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: who knows what our enemies are doing up there too.

994
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: It all goes back to that again. You think you're

995
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: safe down here and here you're not up there. There's

996
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: something else going on. It gets deep and it does fast. Mike, Well,

997
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 1: thank you for doing what you do, and space dot

998
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: Com is always a great resource. Appreciate you being here

999
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: for us. I hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Ma, it's always good to talk to you too.

1001
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Speaker 1: Thank you. Man the author of out There, Scientific Guide

1002
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: to Alien Life, Antimatter, and Human Space Travel for the

1003
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: cosmically curious. That's it, out There, Spaceflight Tech editor Mike

1004
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: Wall I can read sometimes, it's just I don't have

1005
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: my glasses. Enjoy yourself. Thanks for making time. Enjoy the weekend.

1006
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Speaker 1: More Sterling coming back seven hundred WLW. Well, there's no

1007
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: werewolf out there that I know of, but there is

1008
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: some snow in the tri State, mostly to the southeast

1009
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: of the city, with some accumulations expected overnight. It's still

1010
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: above freezing, so it's that weird thing where you can

1011
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: see it come down and hopefully won't stick, although my

1012
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: dog will be excited to play in some more snow

1013
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Speaker 1: sooner than later. How you doing Friday sterling? A couple

1014
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 1: of minutes away your ten thirty report. I believe Matt

1015
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: Reese is tagging out. We'll see who tags in. Not

1016
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Speaker 1: quite yet sure. I got to win to Windo a hallway,

1017
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Speaker 1: so I don't know yet. We'll find out together after

1018
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock. Doctor Donna schleg former had political science, now

1019
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: professor Meredith from Wright State gonna join us talk a

1020
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Speaker 1: little bit about Minnesota. Apparently there's been a judge that's

1021
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: come out in order that ICE is gonna have to

1022
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 1: curb some of their actions in and around the Twin Cities.

1023
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: Not sure what the details on that are. We'll talk

1024
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: to her. Also about the Tenth Amendment. Is Minneapolis, or

1025
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: at least the state of Minnesota, I should say, as

1026
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: well as Illinois, are talking about Tenth Amendment issues, which

1027
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Speaker 1: is limiting powers of the federal government in the state.

1028
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: How that comes in play. And of course President Trump

1029
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: has talked about the Insurrection Act and how that may

1030
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: move ahead if necessary, to sort of put more boots

1031
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: on the ground literally and figuratively of our military. In

1032
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Speaker 1: and around the Twin Cities, which I don't know that

1033
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Speaker 1: anybody really wants that, so we'll talk to her about

1034
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Speaker 1: that later on. Also, David Purdin from ESPN shalt conversation

1035
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Speaker 1: we had about the NCAA hoops scandal that later on,

1036
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Speaker 1: and on the other side something else. I'm wondering if

1037
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: you can think back to your youth unless you're a

1038
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Speaker 1: kid now, and I'm wondering what the first really big

1039
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: news story that you can remember from being a kid

1040
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: that's stuck with you. I can think of one now

1041
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: that had to do with the US hostages in Iran

1042
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: when I was a tiny sterling, and I think that's

1043
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: like the first news thing that I can really vividly recall.

1044
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Speaker 5: That.

1045
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Speaker 1: Maybe the bi centennial, which of course we're looking at

1046
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Speaker 1: two fifty for the US come July as well being celebrated,

1047
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Speaker 1: so we'll get into that. On the other side, your

1048
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Speaker 1: chance to get interactive. It's a Friday Sterling Nation Station

1049
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Speaker 1: Reds Fest this weekend convention Center and a whole lot

1050
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: of fun. A lot of people heading home right about

1051
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Speaker 1: now from that here seven HUNDREDU wulw. Hey, how you

1052
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: doing Sterling? Hanging out? Fine? Friday night, The weekend is

1053
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 1: here Nation Station. What you're listening to? Seven hundred WLW.

1054
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Speaker 1: Joe Waddell producing, keeping me in line on time. Travis

1055
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Speaker 1: Laird getting interactive too as he was closing up that newscast,

1056
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Speaker 1: because right there I sort of teased a head to

1057
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Speaker 1: what I want to do here. We got a little

1058
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: bit of time to play a little bit before Doctor

1059
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Speaker 1: dot Schlek joins just former head of political science at

1060
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Speaker 1: Right State. She's a cincinnatikuid talking about the latest in

1061
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Speaker 1: Minneapolis Saint Paul, as well as the talk of the

1062
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 1: insurrection at tent Amendment issues being discussed, as well as

1063
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: continued issues with the whole immigration thing in politics. And

1064
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Speaker 1: it's a lot going on in the world right now,

1065
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Speaker 1: which then leads me to something else asides from the

1066
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Speaker 1: NCAA basketball hoops point shaving scandal too. David Purdham from

1067
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Speaker 1: ESPN Chalk, who's been all over TV. I was up

1068
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Speaker 1: late last night and flipping around in the news and

1069
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: streaming ABC News. It was like two or three in

1070
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Speaker 1: the morning. All of a sudden, I hear a familiar

1071
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Speaker 1: voice from down the halls. I'm running around the house

1072
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: and I'm like I know that guy, What the hell's

1073
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: going on? That's Dave Purdham and he was on ABC

1074
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Speaker 1: talking about what we're going to discuss a little bit

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Speaker 1: later on, which is the issue with the point shaving

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Speaker 1: and betting and the business of betting, because that's what

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00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: he covers for ESPN chalk. So that's coming up at

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00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: eleven thirty five. It's big news. A lot of people

1079
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 1: headed home right now from Reds Fast downtown and the

1080
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: just open kicking the door wide open to a new

1081
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: era with the convention Center downtown. A lot of Reds fans,

1082
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 1: you know, sort of thinking about well, the future and

1083
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: maybe some news stories of note, which for some I

1084
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 1: was talking talking to a buddy of mine earlier today

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00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: about this. I was saying, like, first news events that

1086
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: might stick in your head, I might resonate. We talked sports,

1087
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: he mentioned Big Red Machine. He's a little bit older

1088
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: than me. It was right in the middle of his

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00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: early part of his teenage years, and it was totally like,

1090
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: that's the first news thing that he can remember, and

1091
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: it was sports related and REGs related. And then I

1092
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: can remember and there's two things that stick out news related.

1093
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: One the bi centennial in the Freedom Train that I

1094
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: got to hop a boy with my Grandma Betty to

1095
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: sort of look at the history of this nation when

1096
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: I was a tiny kid. And then the other thing

1097
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: that sticks out glaringly was the Iran hostages thing that

1098
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: was in the news on a regular basis. I'd come

1099
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 1: home from school, I'd watched the news, and the Nightline

1100
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: happened as a result of that, which is still on

1101
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: the air today. So I'm wondering, what is the first

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00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: news story could be sports, but big news event that

1103
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: you can remember in general, whether asuming probably for most

1104
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: of us from our childhood or otherwise. Five one three

1105
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: seven four nine, seven thousand, eight hundred The Big One.

1106
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: You got the iHeartRadio app, which you can stream twenty

1107
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 1: four to seven just about anywhere. Pick a device, pick

1108
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: a location. We're all Eddie and Rocky and Sloaney and

1109
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: Tom Brenneman uh you name it, Lance me uh and

1110
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: Donna whatever together at any given time. You can stream

1111
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: us or get interactive by clicking on that microphone and

1112
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: leave a message. Five three seven, four nine seven eight hundred.

1113
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: The Big One to Xenia Paul his first first big

1114
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: news event that sticks out that you can remember as

1115
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: a kid or otherwise, Paul, you're with Sterling on the

1116
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: Big One. Thanks for holding what's up.

1117
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 9: The first big news event that I really remember, and

1118
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 9: I brought everyone to their knees crying, was President Roosevelt

1119
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 9: FDR dying. So nineteen forty five.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 1: So if you don't mind, how old of a man

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00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: are you that you can actually remember hearing the news

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00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: of that, because it was a different world at that point.

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Speaker 9: I'm eighty seven and I was born in thirty eight,

1125
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 9: so I was seven years old and my dad listened

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00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 9: religiously to the Big One WLW and whio out of

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00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 9: Dayton Coaghetti's.

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Speaker 1: Nude, that's right, And so you heard that as it

1129
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: went down. See, I can't imagine the closest thing. And

1130
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Speaker 1: it was a presidential memory to me, now that you

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00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: think you mentioned that, I can remember. I took a

1132
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: bus to the doctor's office as a kid, and I

1133
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: had to go in and get like an allergy shot.

1134
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 1: And then I got out of the office and I

1135
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: was waiting for the bus, and it was an odd

1136
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: thing that the bus driver was out having a cigarette

1137
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: and there were some other people waiting to hop on

1138
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: the bus, and they had the radio one which was

1139
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 1: on the Big One, which of course is now where

1140
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: we're having our conversation, Paul. And it was when Reagan

1141
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: had been shot and he was sheet white. I was

1142
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: sort of traumatized. I'm a little kid in the thought

1143
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: of having the president the you know, gravely entered, perhaps

1144
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: dying or otherwise. It was crazy. I can't imagine you

1145
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: at seven the same type of feeling with Roosevelt.

1146
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 9: Well, I remember vividly hanging on to my dad because

1147
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 9: he was a news hound. He was interested in anything

1148
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 9: that the world news. He tried to go join up

1149
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 9: in the military to fight the Japanese the day after

1150
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 9: Pearl Harbor, and he was rejected because he had flat

1151
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 9: feet and hemorrhoids. But he was a true patriots sterling.

1152
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: I do believe that flat feet I have. I don't

1153
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: think I have the roids, but I didn't realize the

1154
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: roids to keep you out of of the military. But

1155
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: at least he was here in state safe and was

1156
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: there to provide and take care of the family. Paul,

1157
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: thank you for listening to being a part of the show.

1158
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 8: Oh.

1159
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 9: I listened faithfully to wlwi's my all time favorite radio station.

1160
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 9: I go way back with the Reds to nineteen thirty nine,

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00:56:55,160 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 9: Ernie Lombardi and Frank McCormick, Bucky Walters, Paul Dringer and

1162
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 9: uh So Wider. And I'm a true Cincinnati Reds baseball

1163
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 9: fan and here lately Cincinnati Bengals.

1164
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I appreciate that. Paul, Thank you so much.

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00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 1: It was good to talk to you. That's tremendous, quite

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00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: a bit of history. Wondering what the first news story

1168
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: that you can remember is from your childhood or otherwise.

1169
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: That resonated. And I mean, and he talked about Rusevelt

1170
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: it and hearing it the president that passed away. I

1171
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: mean that that'll shake you, that'll mess with you.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: It's one of those things that Joe Waddell's producing the show.

1174
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: Authier just mentioned to me a minute ago. I don't

1175
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: know if you wants to do this on the air

1176
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: or not, but I'll mention it. If you want to

1177
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: crack the MICU feel free to do whatever you want

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00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: to do. But he mentioned that he thinks that it

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00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: was when the was it the shuttle? No, what was it?

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00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: You just said just a minute nine to eleven, right, Yeah,

1181
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: So I think he mentioned his first real memory of

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00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: news was when nine eleven happened in two thousand and one,

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00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: which immediately makes me feel like I'm a little long

1184
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: in the tooth, because I was working on the radio

1185
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: in Collogembus at the time. I had left here and

1186
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: taken the night show at our sister station WTVN in Columbus,

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00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: where I worked with my good buddy Corpy and a

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00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: bunch of other people. And I can vividly remember that

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Speaker 1: happening and the thing that shook me after, aside from

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Speaker 1: just the nature of what went down in how all

1191
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: of our lives have changed, and in this case Joe Waddell,

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00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: all he knows is the issue of invasions of privacy

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00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: and giving up our freedoms and the Patriot Act and

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00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: everything else that subsequently followed for all of our supposed

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00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: safety getting into our prefer real business. And I can remember,

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Speaker 1: aside from the event itself happening, what really grabbed me

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00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: and resonated in and did even meet a day you

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00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: could hear a lot of freight trains right where I

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Speaker 1: lived in Columbus, and you could hear Port Columbus. Now

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00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: I think it's John Glenn Airport, but at the time.

1201
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: It was Port Columbus. Just like around cveg. You would

1202
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: notice this too, or lunken. They shut down trains and

1203
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: playing across this nation. And it was one of the

1204
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: most eerie, oddly uncomfortable, uncertain times that I can remember

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00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: ever in my life, because we did not know what

1206
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: was happening with New York or Pennsylvania or the Pentagon

1207
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: or the future of the world as we knew it.

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00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: And I'd never heard the silence without trains or planes

1209
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: in the sky, and for a few days there was

1210
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: none other than military aircraft. It was unreal, is what

1211
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: it was. Five point three seven four nine seven, eight hundred,

1212
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: the big one. Let's get to some calls here, first

1213
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: memory of something newsworthy that grabbed you and hell you

1214
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: held you as a kid to Newport. Rob and Sue

1215
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: and Terry and Tommy and Rick will get as many

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00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: on as we can here before the news coming up

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Speaker 1: at eleven. What's up, Rob, appreciate you holding sure?

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Speaker 6: Hey, Thanks thanks for taking my call. Hey real quick,

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00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 6: I know you've got a lot of callers.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 6: May eighth, nineteen seventy seven. I was eight years old

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00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:04,479
Speaker 6: and I can still VIVI the pictures will never leave

1223
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 6: my mind. Was the Beverly Hills diner fire.

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01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: All the supper club.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, supper club fire. We got, we got. We

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01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 6: were on our way home from eating out, and they

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01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 6: had stopped traffic and we were right there at the

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Speaker 6: bottom of the hill in twenty seven just watching watching

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Speaker 6: it go up in flames. And there's some things that

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01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 6: would you know, would rather not talk about that I

1231
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 6: saw on the air that that really stuck with me

1232
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 6: and will never ever forget that.

1233
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Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. I totally understand it. I'm guessing you

1234
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: were a fairly young man at the time.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, eight years old.

1236
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I mean you're like a third grader at

1237
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: that point. I can remember, we're not drastically different in age.

1238
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Speaker 1: And my grandmother and it sounds weird to say this,

1239
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: but her boyfriend, because she had one at the time,

1240
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: and yeah, they would regularly go to the Beverly Hills

1241
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: and so my mom, I remember, was freaking out. I

1242
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: had no idea what was going on. But then they

1243
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: were trying to track down my grandmother to see if

1244
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: they had actually gone, because you know, they were there randomly.

1245
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: Thank god they were not. And a lot of other people,

1246
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: of course never made it out, which was just horrific.

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Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, it was pretty say day here locally, but

1248
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 6: it got it got national attention though I do remember that.

1249
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 6: But yeah, mom and dad lost quite a few friends

1250
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Speaker 6: that night.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a terrible thing, and I mean it

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Speaker 1: sticks with all of rob. I appreciate the comment, thank

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Speaker 1: you for sharing that, and yeah, I mean it made

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01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 1: national news and because I mean there were people came

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Speaker 1: to work there, I mean performers, entertainers at Beverly Hills

1256
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: supper Club from all over the big, big name artist

1257
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: on a regular basis, and a lot of people didn't

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01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 1: come home from that. Just devastating Covington. Sue was sterling

1259
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: on the big one too, from ky back to back,

1260
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Speaker 1: What do you Go? What do you know?

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Speaker 10: Sue?

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Speaker 1: Was the first news that resonates with you as a

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01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: memory from your kid in childhood.

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Speaker 11: Well, I'm my mother and I had gone to and

1265
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 11: when Chester, Kentucky, when I was eight years so I

1266
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 11: was born the same year your first caller was Okay,

1267
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 11: And I remember sitting in the movie theater and all

1268
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 11: of a sudden hearing all sorts of car horns blowing outside,

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Speaker 11: and my mother said.

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Speaker 10: The war is over.

1271
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, and my father was there overseas.

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Speaker 1: That had to just be such a fantastic thing because

1273
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: you knew obviously at that point you would think Dad's okay,

1274
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: Dad's coming home soon, and yeah.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I really had didn't think about that until I

1276
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 11: was sitting here listening to some of the others. But

1277
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 11: that really is the first major thing I remember hearing.

1278
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 11: Plus the Beverly Hills. I had been in the zebra

1279
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Speaker 11: room at a retirement party two weeks before the fire.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, and that sticks with you. I can remember

1281
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: my grandmother telling me about it. I was very interested.

1282
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: After I didn't really understand. I was like going to

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01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, like the Beverly Hill, but at least where

1284
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: are you people going? And then of course after that

1285
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: I found out like the rest of us. So thank

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01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: you for sharing and always appreciate you listening to being

1287
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: a part of the show. To Walden, holy crap, it's

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Speaker 1: three and ky back to back to back, Terry at

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Speaker 1: your turf with Sterling on the big one. First memory

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01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: of a news event from your youth?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so I was eight years old in second grade

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01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 3: and I can remember them coming over the loud speaker

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01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 3: at school on November twenty second of sixty three and

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01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 3: telling us all that John F. Kennedy, President Kennedy had

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Speaker 3: been shot. Oh wow, and you know we were just eight.

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Speaker 10: Years old, like, oh my god.

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Speaker 3: And then as you know, it was on TV for

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01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 3: days and days of course. But yeah, that's the first

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Speaker 3: one I remember. But in addition to the Beverly Hills,

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01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 3: when I was twenty one, I was at the Red

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01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 3: Dog Saloon in Sharonville and we were listening to a

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01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 3: comedian named Ron Stewart, and they came. They came out

1303
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,959
Speaker 3: and said at intermission and said he won't be back.

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01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 3: His wife st the Beverly Hills and uh, you know,

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01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 3: it's it's on fire.

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01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 10: She she was okay.

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01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 3: But the odd thing was I was a manager of

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01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 3: Eagle Savings and I had tellers that were there at

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01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 3: a banquet and in another part. But you know, I'm

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01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 3: saying I had two people down there that I was

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01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 3: scared to death that they were that they you know,

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01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 3: we're going to be harmed, but they made it. They

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01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 3: made it safe too. I'm glad that those are the

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Speaker 3: two big ones.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and those are monumental. I mean it really is, Harry.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the call. Thank you for listening to being

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Speaker 1: a part of the show. I appreciate it. I mean

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01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: that'll shake you. And I remember just here overhearing my

1319
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: grandmother talk about that with the Beverly Hills, and she

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01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: and they were there regularly for one type of even

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01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: or a show or another. And even after all this time,

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01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of connections, a lot of people

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01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: still really to that. De Heartwell and Tommy was Sterling

1324
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: on the Big One. Appreciate you holding. What's the first

1325
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 1: news event that sticks out to you in your memory?

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01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 10: Sure, Sterling Well, prior caller has had the same news event, however,

1327
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 10: November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. But I was in

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01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 10: first grade and I came home from Madisonville School. I

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01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 10: didn't hear it on a laudspeaker. My mother told me

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01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 10: about it and the TV was on, and I remember

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01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 10: the few ensuing days. I can remember little John saluting,

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01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 10: you know, saluting as far as casket in the parade

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01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 10: and all that kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, that was

1334
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 10: an amazing.

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01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 1: Time, very unusual and unsettling times, and a lot of

1336
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: unknown people think in the world's upside down and some

1337
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: of the people and right now feel in the same

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01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: way and how we are too. Hopefully nothing quite as

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01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: severe as that type of event making news anytime soon, Tommy.

1340
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: I appreciate the call me and thanks for listening. I

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01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: hope you call back. All right, good enough, take care

1342
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: of yourself. To Dallas and rick it's been a minute.

1343
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: Ricky was sterling on the Big One. What do you have?

1344
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 8: How you I was six years old, yeah, Nightete sixty? Yes, right,

1345
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 8: I can remember when Kennedy won that election.

1346
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:13,439
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

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01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 8: And I can also remember I actually saw, uh I

1348
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 8: was all get shot on TV live. I saw it

1349
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 8: live a black white or television.

1350
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 1: What was that like? Because I've seen video of that

1351
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: and anyone who's watched, you know, documentaries about it or

1352
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: even watching The mad Men Show, where they, you know,

1353
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: did such a great job generationally showing where we were

1354
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: as a world at a certain window of time as

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01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 1: a period piece, and the way it affected people when

1356
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: that went down, describing it watching it the way you did.

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01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: But as a young man, what did that do to you?

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01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: I mean, that's an insane thing to see.

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01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, I looked at it, you know, first I didn't

1360
01:06:55,720 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 8: realize what I just saw. And I say this because

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01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 8: uh uh, you know Jack Ruby. So he jumped out

1362
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 8: of it. He came out of the corner and he

1363
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 8: pulled the gun. He put he stepped the gun in

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01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 8: his reel bay, squeeze the trigger, and it looked unreal.

1365
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 8: You said, Well, did I was that real? You know,

1366
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 8: that's the first thing I thought. I said, Oh, that

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01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 8: guy really shot that guy.

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01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 1: You know, I can't imagine. And as jaded as we

1369
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 1: all are now and we're used to seeing things happen

1370
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 1: almost instantaneously, it is somewhat bewildering to me, you know,

1371
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 1: to imagine what it must have been like at that

1372
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: point as a young person to see something like that.

1373
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole world turned upside down.

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Speaker 10: Rick.

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Speaker 1: It's always good to talk to you. Me and I

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01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 1: hate to be brief, but I got a bounce. We'll

1377
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 1: give these a final two here a minute or so

1378
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: each and then uh, we'll stop for news. You're eleven

1379
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: o'clock reporting. Doctor Donald Schlet going to join us with

1380
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,919
Speaker 1: some insights in the Minneapolis situation and so much else

1381
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 1: going on too Loveland. Joe and then e J was

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01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: sterling on the big one. Joe, what do you have

1383
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,959
Speaker 1: what's your first memory of newsworthy stuff from your youth?

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01:07:59,360 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 5: Jab gay?

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01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you all right?

1386
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 12: And I was in great spurn.

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01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, just got you at the wrong time. I got

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01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: you a lot of people deal over, big deal, no

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01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 1: big deal.

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01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 10: No I'm not sick.

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01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,719
Speaker 12: Okay, just a little four twenty A little four twenty.

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01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 1: Oh, I saw, I got you a little attitude adjustment

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01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 1: here after ten o'clock.

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01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 12: Oh, you know, I was.

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01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:24,759
Speaker 1: I was on hold for a while, but I understand.

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01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 12: I too, was in great school when JFK got shot.

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01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 12: And I remember Beverly Hill supper Club. My grandma lived

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01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 12: over on Warren Court and we could see it from

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Speaker 12: her house on the hill.

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01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

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01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 12: He was right about twenty seven, so that's wild. I mean,

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01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 12: that's childhood. But I was born in fifty eight.

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01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: So gotcha. It's interesting to hear that sort of separation

1404
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: decade by decade and what sort of resonates and sticks

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01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 1: with people. Joe, I appreciate the call men. Thank you.

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01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 1: Hope the rest of your night and your weekend goes well.

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01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 1: To appreciate you. Listening uh to west Elton, I think

1408
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 1: or west Ellis with E J with Sterling on the

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01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 1: big one, final one here before the break, h new

1410
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 1: story that sticks out from your youth. We're like, oh, okay,

1411
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 1: I can remember that because it's usually something monumental that

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01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 1: grabs us. Hey, Sarny, Hey, what do you happen?

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01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 6: This is this is EJ.

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01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 13: I want to say EJ from meeting, but it's basically

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01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 13: Westellitton somewhere else now but Watergate Watergate to me, And

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01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 13: the reason is the Nixon thing. Watergate in the seventies.

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01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:30,639
Speaker 13: Remember that. Oh yeah, yeah water Nixon. Okay, And anyway,

1419
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 13: we had a creek down a street on Wolf Road

1420
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 13: in the West Alex Treble County that we used to

1421
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 13: swim in all the time. I'm like ten years old

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01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 13: or something like that. And down the creek about I

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01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 13: don't know, uh, I don't know, half a mile or

1424
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 13: something like that quarter mile, there used to be a

1425
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 13: gate that some guy had cows or some farmer had cows,

1426
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 13: and he had a gate he put across the creek

1427
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:56,639
Speaker 13: so the cows could walk across the creek. I'm trying

1428
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 13: to make get this fast anyway, and it flood they

1429
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 13: would open up the water gate. So what warses gateaway?

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01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 13: And I used to come home from school or whatever

1431
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 13: and see this nix is my mom and dad be

1432
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 13: watching Nixon on TV. The order Gate scam, so.

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01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 1: You thought it was about that and the Gattle getting

1434
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 1: across the I totally believe you. That's the best DJ.

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01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 1: I hate to be brief. That's tremendous. I totally get it,

1436
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 1: and I haven't matured much more than that in my

1437
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 1: experience either. Straight away, you're eleven o'clock report, doctor Donas

1438
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 1: Schleg joins me on the other side. Appreciate you being here.

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01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 1: Friday night Home of the Red Sterling seven hundredu WLW,

1440
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:42,719
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Final hour together this fine Friday night, the full

1441
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 1: on weekend is upon us Sterling hanging out. Appreciate you

1442
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 1: being here too, seven hundred WLW. What you're listening to?

1443
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 1: Later on conversation with David bring the pain Purdam about

1444
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 1: all the NCAA basketball points, shaving scandal stuff, and more

1445
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 1: conversation with him after the eleven third report on the line.

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01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 1: Right now, former head of political science. She's a Cincinnati

1447
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 1: kid Wright State University professor, Amerida. Now with me, it's

1448
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 1: doctor Donna Schleck. Welcome back to the Big One. Seven

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01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 1: hundred WLW. How's everything with you, Hi, Sterlin.

1450
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 14: It's been quite a crazy week. All is well here?

1451
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 14: You know, we're gearing up for a serious weekend of

1452
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 14: some football. Yes, and I'm shocked. I'm shocked that there's

1453
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 14: point shaving happening, legalized gambling. What could go wrong?

1454
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: Well, you know, sometimes people get a little greedy and

1455
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: some people want an unfair advantage and they'll grease some

1456
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 1: problems to get it. Hopefully they'll get it all cleaned up.

1457
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: That's the hope, right, I mean, we want integrity in that,

1458
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 1: like we do in just about everything else.

1459
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 14: Hopefully it'll be our government at work for us.

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01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of which, go ahead, I'm sorry, go ahead, No.

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01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 14: I'm looking forward to our conversation. Where would you like

1462
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:57,719
Speaker 14: to start?

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01:11:57,880 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 1: Well, you know, there is so much going on, but

1464
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 1: I think right now the headline of headlines is that

1465
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:08,440
Speaker 1: they're ongoing protest on the ground and tussles with engagements

1466
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 1: that have gotten quite violent and led to one shooting

1467
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 1: of missus Good who has left her partner behind, her

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01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: wife and some kids. That's being investigated. There have been

1469
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 1: questions about that it has taken a more serious turn

1470
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 1: subsequent to it. If that's even possible another shooting with

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Speaker 1: someone apparently trying to evade allegedly Ice and Border patrol.

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01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 1: This continues to go on. The President dangled out the

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01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 1: idea of the Insurrection Act, and then of course Governor Walls,

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01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 1: tim Wall's former vice presidential candidate, and the mayor of

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01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:48,600
Speaker 1: Minneapolis Fry apparently it talked about the idea of the

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01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 1: tenth Amendment. Same thing in the state of Illinois. Can

1477
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:56,759
Speaker 1: you explain Tenth Amendment issues surrounding policing on the ground

1478
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 1: in a state compared to say, DC in the federal level,

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01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 1: and them getting involved because of the call about Insurrection

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01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 1: Act is also a fairly serious step.

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Speaker 14: It is. And even before we get there, a judge

1482
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 14: just ruled tonight, a district judge telling Ice they may

1483
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 14: not pepper spray or use tear gas against the protesters,

1484
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 14: and she also reiterated that they may not be detained. Now, obviously,

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01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 14: if you interfere with operations, that's a different matter. But

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01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 14: but but the protection of these individuals, and this goes

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01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 14: to the authority who you know, who will have authority here.

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01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 14: It's such an interesting ongoing conversation. Here we are at

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01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 14: a States Rights argument. Uh, And you know, so many

1490
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 14: cases have been argued already abortions for example, who who

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01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 14: will make the rules about transgender athletes? States rights? States rights?

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01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 14: And we're coming down to a states rights argument as well,

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01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 14: as you also may have noted earlier, the mayor and

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01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 14: the governor have been subpoened looking into the corruption case

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01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 14: in terms of all the public spending. So they filed

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01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 14: three or four motions, you know, trying to go at

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01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 14: the federal operation from a number of different angles. Are

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01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 14: they going to get emergency attention to it? I don't

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01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 14: think so. My question tonight is where is this going?

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Speaker 14: And is there any chance that someone, somehow we will

1501
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 14: be able to de escalate the situation. And how did

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01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 14: Obama manage to arrest and deport five million people during

1503
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 14: his presidency without demonstrations like this?

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01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well what happened then? Because I don't know that

1505
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 1: a lot of people doctor Schliheck were paying attention except

1506
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: people that were directly involved with that. So what is

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01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 1: the difference? I mean, the President Obama stayed a fairly

1508
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,599
Speaker 1: low profile with it at the time. President Trump, of course,

1509
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 1: has made this effectively a pillar or a lynchpin in

1510
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 1: his presidency and effectively that helped get him re elected.

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01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 14: A lot of the arrests under Obama were at the border.

1512
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 14: What they avoided doing was going into homes and places

1513
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 14: of business. Right, does this sound familiar a little bit?

1514
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 14: It's it definitely should. The story out of Minneapolis today

1515
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,759
Speaker 14: was dining in a in a in a Somali restaurant

1516
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 14: and then arresting the workers afterwards. But to come back

1517
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 14: to your question about the Tenth Amendment, it's it is

1518
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 14: a question about who will have jurisdiction, who will have authority,

1519
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 14: And you know, the Tenth Amendment leaves you know, a

1520
01:15:57,200 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 14: lot to the states, right, But this is a federal

1521
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 14: immigration case. You see the problem and the expectation is

1522
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 14: I don't think it's a very strong argument. It's federal immigration.

1523
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 14: These are federal authorities. The judge who ruled today about

1524
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 14: the treatment of the protesters said, you know, you may

1525
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:24,720
Speaker 14: not arrest if you don't have documentation. You may not

1526
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 14: arrest you know, citizens, certainly unless they are interfering with

1527
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 14: your operation. But Minnesota is asking the courts to, you know,

1528
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 14: to rule on a case of states rights and state authority.

1529
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 14: I'm not particularly persuaded. I don't think most people hearing

1530
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 14: the argument would be it's our immigration problems, our border issue. Customs.

1531
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 14: Immigration are federal in scope. They happen to be focused

1532
01:16:56,560 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 14: in Minneapolis right now. But I think it's one of those,

1533
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 14: you know, very very slender case. They've got a couple

1534
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:08,879
Speaker 14: of other arguments that they are making before the justices

1535
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 14: right now. I share your concern though about the Insurrection Act.

1536
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 14: We have to go back to Rodney King. I know

1537
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 14: you're not old enough to remember Rodney King nineteen ninety two.

1538
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 1: Oh, that's very funny.

1539
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 14: I followed it. You do remember them somewhat, at least

1540
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 14: you've seen stories. And the state had to ask the

1541
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 14: said to come in, so that's that is the standard.

1542
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:40,599
Speaker 14: But when you read the Insurrection Acts, it's short, it's vague,

1543
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 14: it's broad, and who has the power to declare it?

1544
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 14: One person, the President, under what conditions the ones that

1545
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 14: he that he cites, So he has incredibly broad authority

1546
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:59,680
Speaker 14: and it's not invoked often. Is this a Rodney King situation?

1547
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 14: The irony, of course, is that Minneapolis and twenty twenty

1548
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 14: dealt with riot's protests having to do with George Floyd.

1549
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 14: Correct Another one of those weird coincidences in this case.

1550
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very troubling. I can remember the Rodney King

1551
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 1: thing and how that related. I can remember being on

1552
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:21,599
Speaker 1: the air at Tui and Dayton, which is a rock

1553
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,720
Speaker 1: station for those who don't know, and the TV on

1554
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 1: and looking up and seeing that white Bronco being chased

1555
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 1: slowly on the five I believe is what it was

1556
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 1: in southern California in the midst of all that subsequent

1557
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:37,599
Speaker 1: to it, with the OJ thing and everything else, sort

1558
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,639
Speaker 1: of in and around that whole window of time where

1559
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,560
Speaker 1: all kinds of weird stuff was happening, seemingly.

1560
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 14: The slow motion car chase, yeah right, yeah, correct on

1561
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 14: the interstate in California. This is before the age of

1562
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 14: drones as well, but with helicopter coverage. So to come

1563
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 14: back to Minneapolis, local state authority basically overwhelmed right now,

1564
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 14: just by the two or three thousand person delegation that's

1565
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 14: that's been sent up there. The mobilization of communities and

1566
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:16,400
Speaker 14: citizen groups is something that I've been interested to watch.

1567
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 14: You know, the communication networks, it's usually just a WhatsApp

1568
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:26,680
Speaker 14: chat or a text and distribution of whistles, right, but

1569
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 14: a lot of the people who are protesting is this

1570
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 14: is not all blue haired and middle aged white ladies

1571
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 14: out there protesting as well. The community solidarity is something

1572
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:42,720
Speaker 14: that I think is is being demonstrated, whether it is

1573
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,640
Speaker 14: the late night protests at the federal facility, but the

1574
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 14: way citizens alert neighbors when they think ICE might be

1575
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 14: in the neighborhood. It's toughened public response despite as you said,

1576
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 14: one death and at least one one shooting. But the

1577
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 14: public doesn't seem to be in a mood to back down.

1578
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:09,600
Speaker 14: And of course, in situations like this, who de escalates?

1579
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 1: Well, and that's who was the question?

1580
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 5: How?

1581
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 1: How how does this back off in a situation like this,

1582
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 1: Doctor O'dona Schlechts, the former head of political science at

1583
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 1: right stage, she's not Professor Meredith was sterling on the

1584
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 1: Big One talking about what's going on in the Twin Cities, Minneapolis,

1585
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 1: Saint Paul, Minnesota.

1586
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 5: So in a.

1587
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 1: Situation like this and the you know, interfering with ice

1588
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 1: border patrol agencies they go about their work. There has

1589
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 1: been questioned about how involved Minneapolis police or Saint Paul

1590
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 1: police have been allowed to be involved. We know that

1591
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:44,599
Speaker 1: they were shut out of this investigation around MS Goods

1592
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 1: killing and how that played out in the talk of

1593
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 1: absolute immunity, which I think has a lot of people rankled,

1594
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 1: regardless of political ideology. To the idea that somehow there

1595
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:59,639
Speaker 1: is no check in balance for law enforcement on the street,

1596
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:03,679
Speaker 1: federal level, or otherwise is somewhat suspect. I think, where

1597
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 1: is the line as far as interfering with these people

1598
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 1: doing their work, and what I mean by that is

1599
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 1: showing up as a crowd, filming them from a distance,

1600
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 1: not engaging, not physically interfering. Where is the line there

1601
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 1: of what's acceptable and not. I know they're teaching people

1602
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 1: some of this, but we've seen a lot of these

1603
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 1: protesters cross that line and engage physically. And some of

1604
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:29,480
Speaker 1: the border patroll or ICE agents also seemingly quite aggressive

1605
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 1: in making some type of point with the protesters as well.

1606
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 14: Boy, you know, these conversations are so painful. I mean,

1607
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 14: this is Ohio, right, We had a can state situation

1608
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 14: here ourselves. It's it's it's it's very troubling. The level

1609
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,759
Speaker 14: of organization seems to be sporadic. You know, it's the Internet,

1610
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 14: it's it's what app The neighborhood groups show up when

1611
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 14: when they're alerted that there is ice there. But the

1612
01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:01,679
Speaker 14: judge ruled today that you have a right uh to film,

1613
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 14: you have a right to observe uh and and not

1614
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 14: be impeded uh in that you have a right, she said,

1615
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 14: to even follow, but not obstruct, not obstruct their vehicles

1616
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 14: if you're in traffic, but the moment there is obstruction,

1617
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:20,720
Speaker 14: then the rules will change if you begin interfering. And

1618
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 14: of course that's when things get messy, really messy, with

1619
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 14: a lot of people who may never have been UH

1620
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 14: trained to deal with crowd control under circumstances in which

1621
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 14: you know, the hostility I suspect is quite palpable people.

1622
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:39,639
Speaker 14: You know, the agents know that they're not welcome, and

1623
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 14: they're being filmed uh in incredible stress on the people

1624
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:46,600
Speaker 14: who've been sent there, And a lot of questions have

1625
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,679
Speaker 14: been raised about their training and fairly, but a lot

1626
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 14: more questions have been raised about the lack of an

1627
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:56,679
Speaker 14: investigation into the death of an American citizen. Well, true,

1628
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 14: I'm sorry, we don't want to we don't want to

1629
01:22:58,960 --> 01:22:59,599
Speaker 14: let that one go.

1630
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, when we shouldn't, I mean, all the way around,

1631
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 1: you want it to be investigated and open in the

1632
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 1: daylight for everyone to see, so that you know, it's

1633
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:14,679
Speaker 1: just bewildering where we are right now. I don't think honestly,

1634
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 1: and I'm a fairly independent minded person and more of

1635
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 1: a libertarian, but I don't think anybody wants law enforcement

1636
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 1: around doing the job without being identified. I don't think

1637
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:33,599
Speaker 1: most people are happy at a time when you see

1638
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 1: around the world news stories of marauding gangs, be it

1639
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 1: enforcers for other regimes and other countries that we talk

1640
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 1: about as being our enemy or needing our help to

1641
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 1: help get them freedom and law enforcement on the streets

1642
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 1: from regard, and I have friends in law enforcement. This

1643
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 1: is not an anti law enforcement rant, but the idea

1644
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 1: that you can have law enforcement with firepower, with authority

1645
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 1: and immune unity, not necessarily always identifying themselves face is

1646
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 1: covered showing up in the middle of the night while

1647
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:10,800
Speaker 1: you're on the job or at a school, regardless of

1648
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 1: the threat of docsing asking for people's papers to identify

1649
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 1: themselves to prove that you're a US citizen. A lot

1650
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 1: of people say, you know what, that's infringing upon my

1651
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 1: rights in my liberties, and who are they to ask

1652
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 1: me anything that's a tough place to be in.

1653
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 14: I think that sentiment that it's gone too far is

1654
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:36,240
Speaker 14: being reflected very very clearly in some of the recent

1655
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 14: polling that we see not necessarily objecting to the removal

1656
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 14: of illegals.

1657
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 10: Oh.

1658
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:44,680
Speaker 14: The judges order tonight made it very plain you have

1659
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 14: a right to ask officers to identify themselves under what

1660
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 14: authority are they acting? You have a right to ask

1661
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 14: for a badge number. Her order will be a good

1662
01:24:55,479 --> 01:25:00,559
Speaker 14: checklist of instructions about rights that you do enjoy if

1663
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 14: it comes to a confrontation. But your point about being

1664
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:11,640
Speaker 14: asked to prove your citizenship, that should chill Americans. You know,

1665
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 14: you've not had to carry your identification papers in this

1666
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:21,480
Speaker 14: country since probably World War Two. That one is deeply

1667
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 14: troubling to people's center left and right. You know, the

1668
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 14: when you empower law enforcement, you arm them, you train them,

1669
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 14: there has to be there have to be rules, and

1670
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:33,720
Speaker 14: there has to be accountability.

1671
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:37,360
Speaker 1: It puts them there needs to be and I think

1672
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 1: most of the people that I know that are in

1673
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:42,759
Speaker 1: law enforcement and first responders, et cetera, they will agree

1674
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 1: with that. And you put them in a really uncomfortable,

1675
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:49,719
Speaker 1: compromised position in this but a lot of what we've seen,

1676
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 1: and it's hard if you're in that day after day

1677
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 1: getting yelled at it, and you know, whistles blown and

1678
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:58,280
Speaker 1: in your face and saying all kinds of hateful stuff

1679
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 1: as you're trying to go about your work. And you

1680
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 1: know they need to be professional and let that roll

1681
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 1: off of them as they try to go about it.

1682
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 1: But it's a very disconcerting circumstance in which we're living.

1683
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 1: It's an odd disc.

1684
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:17,680
Speaker 14: And law enforcement in Minneapolis and in the states Minnesota

1685
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 14: have been put in an even worse position. You know

1686
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:24,520
Speaker 14: that they've been pushed aside. But when there's an emergency

1687
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:27,400
Speaker 14: and you think ICE or someone is breaking you down

1688
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:30,520
Speaker 14: your front door, they call the local police.

1689
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 1: Right, so then they one and if they're not already

1690
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:36,599
Speaker 1: there working in concert with ICE, in the Border Patrol

1691
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 1: and whatever other federal agency alphabet soup is there, whether

1692
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 1: they're openly identifiable or not, which sometimes they're not, Which

1693
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 1: is the problem that I have because if somebody just

1694
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 1: rolls up to me while I'm driving down Montgomery Road

1695
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:50,800
Speaker 1: or anywhere else in the tri State, and they may

1696
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:52,840
Speaker 1: have blinking lights, but I don't know who the hell

1697
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 1: they are, and they're not you know, labeled as you know,

1698
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 1: state trooper, County sheriff, Cincinnati Police, Daton Police, whatever else

1699
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 1: it is is I'm going to be very very much

1700
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 1: lacking in my willingness to engage them. The only difference

1701
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 1: is when they you know, they have firepower that they

1702
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 1: put in your face to show you they can end you.

1703
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 1: Which things get pretty serious. Whether it's a criminal or

1704
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 1: a cop trying to do their job. It's a bad,

1705
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 1: bad situation that we're navigating right now. I don't know

1706
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,799
Speaker 1: the way about it. Curling, I wish I did skirling.

1707
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 14: How much trust has been lost and been eroded in

1708
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 14: this process? Yes, I think being skeptical of authority, that's

1709
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 14: an American tradition, you know, being asked to, you know,

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Speaker 14: say what is your authority?

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Speaker 5: Why are you here?

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Speaker 14: You know, do you have paperwork? Do you have an

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Speaker 14: arrest warrant? That that's every American's right. Those through the guidelines.

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Speaker 14: We expect law enforcement to abide by the specific rules

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Speaker 14: about masks. A couple of recent cases have tried to

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Speaker 14: strike down local rules against that. That one will be

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Speaker 14: litigated probably long after you know, this situation has been resolved.

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Speaker 14: But that fundamental trust that law enforcement needs, and that

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Speaker 14: the police in Minneapolis have been working their tales off

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Speaker 14: since the George Floyd situation in twenty twenty to try

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Speaker 14: to rebuild in the community. And it is just it's

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Speaker 14: a law enforcement disaster across the board.

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Speaker 1: I hope that this does not escalate. I'm in some

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Speaker 1: ways surprised that it has not gotten worse sooner as

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Speaker 1: this has moved on. And obviously a lot of it's

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Speaker 1: made for TV, made for soundbites, made to deliberately instill

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Speaker 1: fear and to polarize people. It's just the nature of

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Speaker 1: I guess, the business of politic today. But it's troubling

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Speaker 1: on the streets of this country. It shouldn't be that way,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion. I wish we had more time, but

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Speaker 1: we're out of it. Thank you for doing what you

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Speaker 1: do and making time so late. I know you got

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Speaker 1: a lot going on. Professor Meredith from Wright State former

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Speaker 1: had a political science She is a Cincinnati kid. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Dona schleg thank you so much for doing what you

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Speaker 1: do and giving us some time on the big one.

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Speaker 14: Good night, Sterling.

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Speaker 1: Thanks take care of yourself. You're eleven third reports straight away.

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Speaker 1: Travis layer hes elates of what's going on around the

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Speaker 1: planet and bringing it home here to the tri stake.

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Speaker 1: David Purdham joins me talking point, shaving NCAA hoops and

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Speaker 1: more straightaway seven hundred WW