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Speaker 3: Now, as as you see, there are there's some renovations

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Speaker 1: But I appreciate it, lost, I appreciate the guidance.

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Speaker 3: No, that's it's uh yeah, there's all sorts of things

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Speaker 1: I mean, how do you handle this time?

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Speaker 3: Like I saw and I want to get to you

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Speaker 3: did the Access Vikings podcast I saw you and Emily

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Speaker 3: all that. But but just really at a base level,

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Speaker 3: again the quieter time of the year, although never completely dormant,

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Speaker 3: the what ifs, the the guy we wanted in the

437
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:26,360
Speaker 3: draft is facing the guy we gave away.

438
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Speaker 1: And it's not even just via the podcast.

439
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Speaker 3: That has to be over the course of the last

440
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Speaker 3: several days really from the final the final snap in

441
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Speaker 3: the in the NFC title game, that's kind of been

442
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 3: the driving force of things, right, like we we never

443
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 3: went up, and there's confusion in gray area in terms

444
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Speaker 3: of did we really offer the house for Drake may

445
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Speaker 3: or where did we pull back? Yeah, you know you

446
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 3: can have that argument. Again, none of us are in

447
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Speaker 3: that room. And then and then of course Sam Darnold,

448
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 3: could we have afforded him? Et cetera, Like where's where's

449
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,360
Speaker 3: that taking your head? The last three four days here

450
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Speaker 3: since the the title games have been complete.

451
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it could have been. I mean, this

452
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: could have been their quarterback room in twenty twenty four.

453
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Speaker 1: And yes, I'm aware that the Patriots had set the

454
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Speaker 1: price extraordinarily high to move that pick because Ron Wolfe's kid,

455
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Speaker 1: speaking of the mid nineties Packers, is the GM of

456
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Speaker 1: the Patriots. So Elliott Wolf, Elliott Wolf Elliott Wolf, who

457
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: also came through Green Bay. So if there's somebody who's

458
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Speaker 1: going to understand the value of a franchise quarterback, I

459
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,239
Speaker 1: would think Elliott Wolf would be somebody that would have

460
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 1: a pretty visceral understanding of that. So it made it

461
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 1: very difficult. They did try. I mean, they did try

462
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Speaker 1: to make a big move up, and I think the

463
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Speaker 1: two first round picks in twenty four, it would have

464
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Speaker 1: been the first round in twenty five, and then you

465
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Speaker 1: would have had another swap of some type, and that

466
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Speaker 1: had kind of been the going rate on moving up

467
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Speaker 1: to that pick. And that's like the Trey Lance deal. Yeah,

468
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: I think there's one other one that kind of sets

469
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: that price, and it would have probably taken more than that.

470
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Speaker 1: So yes, they're I mean, if you didn't give away

471
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Speaker 1: the entire farm, and you know, maybe the Patriots were like,

472
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Speaker 1: there's nothing you can do that's going to get us

473
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Speaker 1: to move this pick. Part of me that believes that, yeah, Yeah,

474
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Speaker 1: I mean I think because at some point, if the

475
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Speaker 1: offer is so big and you're saying no, it means

476
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 1: you think this guy is that great, just take him.

477
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Speaker 1: And obviously to this point that looks like it's a

478
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Speaker 1: wise move when they're back in the Super Bowl this quickly,

479
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Speaker 1: so that I mean very much. I remember sitting in

480
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: this room several times talking about how this was the

481
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Speaker 1: guy that Kevin O'Connell had at the top of the list.

482
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: I mean, Josh McCown coached him in high school. I

483
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: think they saw a lot of you know, Matthew Stafford

484
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: type traits with him, and they were very, very excited

485
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 1: about him. They were excited about him back to you know,

486
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: when they were looking at it in twenty three, so

487
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: they wanted him. Now the fact they didn't get him,

488
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: you know, yes, it changes the whole narrative of things,

489
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 1: and yes, it makes it more complex because the Patriots

490
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: were picking high enough that they could take him, and

491
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Speaker 1: that's you know, you kind of just say, okay, that's

492
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Speaker 1: you know, how life goes. I mean, there's not a

493
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 1: lot you can do about that. You needed teams, as

494
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell put it at the time, to be complicit

495
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: in the trade that they wanted to make, and the

496
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 1: Patriots were not. So you lose him and then Darnold.

497
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the one that I think is becomes

498
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: a little more complex because they have him they're thinking

499
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: he's gotten to the bridge to McCarthy, he has a

500
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: great year. Then it's the question of do you tag him?

501
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: Do you try to bring him back? And when they

502
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: when they talked about tagging him, I mean they considered it.

503
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Speaker 1: But my understanding from people I've talked to is if

504
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: you would have done that, it would have given him

505
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 1: effectively a no trade clause, because it would have made

506
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Speaker 1: it so that he's got this guaranteed franchise tag money

507
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: and if he says no, I'm not going to go

508
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: sign an extension with this team or that that you

509
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: want to trade me to, effectively he can vito where

510
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: he's going to go. So it would have made things

511
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: more difficult to have any flexibility with him. And then

512
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: if they wanted to play McCarthy, you know that was

513
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: going to be the difficult part of it. I think

514
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: where this eventually broke down is they thought they had

515
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: a very good chance to get Daniel Jones back, and

516
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: you make Daniel Jones basically the Darnald of twenty twenty five.

517
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 1: Jones looked at his options and said, I have a

518
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: better chance to win the job in Indianapolis than I

519
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: do in Minnesota. Which was probably correct given where the

520
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: wins were blowing with Anthony Richardson versus JJ McCarthy. So

521
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: the question I think going forward becomes what do you

522
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: do now when you're looking at what comes next?

523
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Speaker 3: Do you.

524
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: Explain this job and the chances somebody has to win

525
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: it differently than maybe you did in twenty twenty five

526
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Speaker 1: when they were probably telling Daniel Jones, look, yeah, if

527
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: you're better, you can win the job. But we want

528
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: to see the kid play. We want to go with them.

529
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Speaker 1: This is who we drafted. This is the plan that

530
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Speaker 1: when I asked about that a couple of weeks ago

531
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:02,719
Speaker 1: he said, yeah, this is going to be a lot

532
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: of what we talk about. It seemed to be a

533
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: little more openness to it. So I think in the

534
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: end the through line of this is if they had

535
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: gotten May, you know, I May is probably the starter

536
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: this year even I mean they would have if they

537
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: went that way from McCarthy, They would have gone that

538
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: way for May, probably as much or more. And the

539
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: plan to go with the young quarterback has been the

540
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: driving force of what they wanted to do for a while.

541
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Speaker 1: It's why they didn't make the commitment to Kirk cousins.

542
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: It's ultimately why they didn't make the commitment to Darnold

543
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: last year, because they wanted to see the young quarterback

544
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: they were hoping for. If the young quarterback hits, you've

545
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: got this veteran team around him, You've got this effectively

546
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: financial surp plus for a few years. Because the quarterback

547
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: is cheap and he's planning a high level. You open

548
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: yourself up to the fact that it may not work,

549
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 1: which obviously it did not work the way they wanted

550
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: this year, so it puts you in that spot. But

551
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: I think a lot of their strategy through this whole

552
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: thing was tied to the young quarterback. So when you

553
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: didn't take May or didn't it didn't get up to

554
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: get May. It makes it more likely that you're moving

555
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: on from Donald to McCarthy, even if McCarthy is not

556
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: as proven or as seasoned and coming off the injury.

557
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a lot to it, and it's going

558
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: to be I think a difficult thing for Viken Spence

559
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: to watch. I think the thing that I've come back

560
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: to a couple times on this though, is it does

561
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: tell you that Kevin O'Connell's eye for the quarterback position

562
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: is generally pretty good. I mean, he was still the

563
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: guy saying Sam Donald can still be a player in

564
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: this league. He's the guy that resurrects Sam Donald, and

565
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: then Sam Donald is in the Super Bowl a year later.

566
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: He obviously was very high on Drake May and a

567
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: lot of people were. But you know, so you're not

568
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: terribly far out on a limb there. But he's been

569
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: right on a number of these things. I think it

570
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: was right about being able to make things work with

571
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins in this offense. Probably Daniel Jones to an

572
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: extent too. That may make it a crueler twist that

573
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: all these people are somewhere else right now, But I

574
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: think the overall read he's had on the quarterback position

575
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: has been right more often than not. Everybody misses on

576
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: some of them. I remember talking to Ron Wolfe about this.

577
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: He said, yeah, I've missed on quarterbacks over the years.

578
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: But overall, I think if you're looking for a silver lining,

579
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: it would be that O'Connell's read on the position generally

580
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: has had more hits than missus.

581
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, the when and maybe it was you who asked

582
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: a question who got Quac to kind of say this

583
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 3: in some ways he was reflecting back, and I don't

584
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 3: want to say it. It would be unfair for me

585
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 3: to say, without remembering the exact quote, that there was

586
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 3: either a regret or you know, just kind of evaluating

587
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 3: how we handled that process. He said something to that effect, Well,

588
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 3: what's there to evaluate or change other than McCarthy was

589
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 3: the idea?

590
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: Yep.

591
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 3: So the only thing to evaluate is how honest you

592
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 3: were with Daniel Jones about McCarthy being the plan. Yeah,

593
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, where where it's like we

594
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 3: want to go back and revise it and think circumstantially

595
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 3: that something could have been different. Yeah, But in the end,

596
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: as long as everybody in the room or in the

597
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 3: end all kind of agreed like, okay, we're going to

598
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 3: move forward with McCarthy. Yeah, what is there to reflect

599
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: on other than the fact that whatever maybe you saw

600
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 3: in McCarthy that believe this would be different has not

601
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 3: come to fruition.

602
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: I think that's it. I think it's the question of

603
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: were you too confident in what you saw in McCarthy

604
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: or were you too confident that you could overcome what

605
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: you had not seen in McCarthy, which was him running

606
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: an offense him playing as a rookie. I think all

607
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: of those things are questions they have to ask, and

608
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure there are questions they have been looking at

609
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: quite a bit. I mean, I know that first phase

610
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: of the offseason for Kevin O'Connell is I'm going to

611
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: look back at the decisions I made play calling, how

612
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: I related to players, how I handled certain starting positions,

613
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: all of those kinds of things. I think he spends

614
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: a lot of time kind of doing a self evaluation. First.

615
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: Every coach does this. Every coach talks about it. I've

616
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: talked with them enough about it to know he takes

617
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: that part of it very seriously. So I think that

618
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: is going to be you know, where did I think

619
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: that I had something that I didn't or where did

620
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: I think that I could turn something into success right

621
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: away that I may be overestimated. I think all of

622
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: that is going to be part of what he's doing

623
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: and probably has been part of what he's doing in

624
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: the last few weeks here. But yeah, I mean the

625
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: question of where they too confident and McCarthy is probably

626
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: the driving force here, the idea of were they too honest?

627
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm never gonna sit here on a microphone

628
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: and say, oh, don't be honest. I mean, I think

629
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: I'm with you.

630
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,719
Speaker 3: I mean, if they McCarthy was the plan, right, So

631
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 3: I appreciate the honesty.

632
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate that aspect.

633
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're not trying to hoodwink people into potentially being

634
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 3: completely malcontent, disgruntled folks riding the pine right.

635
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: I may be naive, but I hope that there's a

636
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: way to say we're going to be honest and we're

637
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: going to do things. We're going to mean what we

638
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: say in pro sports, and that can still and you

639
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: can still win with that. I think overall. You know,

640
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: people appreciate that and respect that part of it. You

641
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: talk to agents about that, where they say, yeah, we

642
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: appreciate the fact that they kind of tell us what

643
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: they're thinking and we don't have to play the guessing games.

644
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 3: So yeah, maybe, and being in the building probably didn't.

645
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 3: I mean, Daniel Jones probably isn't daft, right how conversations

646
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 3: and very exactly. I mean, yeah, he has eyes and

647
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 3: ears and can see where this thing's going.

648
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: He was once the young quarterback that everybody was thinking

649
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: about as the apple of their eyes, so he he

650
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: knows what that looks like just a time for one

651
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: or two more here coach openings. So it's not the

652
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: it's not.

653
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Speaker 3: The sexiest talker the a topic of course, Flores finding

654
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Speaker 3: his way and we're all kind of maybe, might you say,

655
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Speaker 3: pretty confident that Givin McCarthy now joins the Steelers, that

656
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Speaker 3: that our defensive coordinator will indeed be Brian I think so.

657
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 3: But but kind of the the the other stuff. So

658
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Speaker 3: whether it's Dernte Jones going to the commanders on a deal,

659
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 3: his first true DC opportunity, good for him, by the way,

660
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 3: and coming for him too, and good luck to him,

661
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 3: but kind of the OL spot, the dbsoft dB spot,

662
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Speaker 3: excuse me, the safety position as well, like the value

663
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Speaker 3: of these specific position coaches. Yeah, kind of be in

664
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Speaker 3: the mouthpieces and the puppeteers for Flores, kind of the

665
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Speaker 3: hands on maybe within the construct of a day, anything

666
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Speaker 3: you got in terms of in terms of what's next.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think the dB spot is going to be

668
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Speaker 1: really interesting to see where this goes, because Derante Jones

669
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: was a big piece of executing a lot of this

670
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Speaker 1: Flora stuff with you know, whether it's Josh Mantellus, whether

671
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: it's Harrison Smith, you know, a lot of the checks

672
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: and calls they were making initiated from that secondary, and

673
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: you've got guys at every level of defense that are

674
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Speaker 1: involved in some of those things. But Brian Flores talked

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Speaker 1: about this quite a bit at the end of the season,

676
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Speaker 1: that the coverage the rush cannot overrule the coverage and

677
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: he makes a check on the rush and the coverage says, yeah,

678
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: this doesn't work. The coverage can say no, we're not

679
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Speaker 1: doing that. Like the last veto was with Harrison Smith.

680
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: So you know, does that change now that it's probably

681
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: not Harrison Smith that Josh mittelis move into that role.

682
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: You're going to need a coach that can speak into

683
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Speaker 1: that process and can work with those defensive backs if

684
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Speaker 1: that system is going to work the same way, And

685
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Speaker 1: I think it's going to take a certain type of

686
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Speaker 1: coach to come in and be able to do that,

687
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: to have that kind of voice, to have that kind

688
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: of relationship with Brian Flores. But that's an important piece

689
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Speaker 1: of this and the fact that you're entirely reconstructing that

690
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Speaker 1: room from a coaching perspective. Because Michael Hutchins went to

691
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Speaker 1: cal as well, the assistant TV coach that's a big one.

692
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Speaker 1: And I think who they get to come in here

693
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Speaker 1: and kind of be that conduit of these ideas is

694
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Speaker 1: going to be really important. So is it somebody that

695
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: has a history with Flora's already? Is it somebody they've

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00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: had their eye on that's younger? You know? I think

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Speaker 1: that whatever they do there, that's going to be really

698
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Speaker 1: important to figure out. And then the offensive line, and

699
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Speaker 1: this is one that Chris Cooper had been here since

700
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Speaker 1: twenty two. They've been through enough iterations with different players

701
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: that it seemed inevitable that if you're going to change

702
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: one more thing, it's going to have to be that.

703
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm curious to see if it will be

704
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: somebody that's got some different ideas in past protection technique.

705
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: I think the run scheme stuff will stay relatively similar

706
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,479
Speaker 1: to what they did. It's been more downhill stuff, more duo,

707
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: a little less zoned. Still primarily zoned, but they've got

708
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: a few more flavors in there with the duo stuff

709
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: with some of the downhill stuff. So the offensive line

710
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: coach has a lot to do with where that goes.

711
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: And it's still Curtis Mockin, still was Phillips doing a

712
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: lot of the design of that, but the techniques of

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00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: how those guys are coached, I think is going to

714
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: be a lot on this offensive line coach, and that's

715
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Speaker 1: one that as they've gone through it with different groups

716
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: of players, the coaching has stayed the same. And now

717
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Speaker 1: I think the change with the coach is important because

718
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: they've invested a lot in that group being better than

719
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: it's been and the fact that it hasn't gotten there yet.

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Speaker 1: I think this coaching hire is going to have a

721
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Speaker 1: lot to do with it, and it's going to be

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Speaker 1: a pretty important one. Yeah, I think you're on it.

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Speaker 3: You'll have your your ears to the ground as eventually

724
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Speaker 3: we're going to find out who that coach is going

725
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 3: to be. But we still got Access Vikings, we got newsletters, podcasts,

726
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 3: what's keeping you busy?

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Speaker 1: Well, all of those things. Will have another Access Vikings

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Speaker 1: episode next week. Hoping to get a couple of special

729
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Speaker 1: guests lined up for the Super Bowl. I have a

730
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Speaker 1: couple of irons in the fire there, and then a

731
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Speaker 1: newsletter will be back the Friday before the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: as well. So a number of things coming Access Vikings

733
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Speaker 1: wise here in the next couple of weeks and then

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Speaker 1: you know, starting to book travel plans for the combine already,

735
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Speaker 1: so it's not very far away. Tombine around the corner.

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Speaker 1: Then it's the draft.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to be doing o Lineman of the Day

738
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Speaker 3: segments and doing the safety dance and the pickle and nickel. Yeah,

739
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Speaker 3: the senior balls in play. You've never have you gone

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Speaker 3: to mobile before?

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Speaker 1: I've done. I've gone to Mobile twice. It's probably been

742
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Speaker 1: like a decade since I went. The first time I

743
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: had a great time down there, and the second time

744
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: it just rained the whole week. So I was like, well,

745
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Speaker 1: if this is gonna rain, I might as wepposed to

746
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: save my pennies and go to the combine instead. No,

747
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: it's probably the smart play. Thanks for joining me and

748
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: hanging out today. It was fun.

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Speaker 3: That's Ben Gastling Star Tribune at Ben Gesling via x

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Speaker 3: via access Vikings all of his Star Tribune content as

752
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Speaker 3: super Bowls around the corner and sadly as Vikings fans

753
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 3: were turning that page to the NFL Draft. But we're

754
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 3: used to this and we're gonna have fun with it.

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Speaker 3: Final hour, Ron Johnson's gonna be in studio, so we

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Speaker 3: will return to some football, but some news is.

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Speaker 3: let's let's do some news.

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Speaker 2: Brett number one, We're better to start than here. Shoots past, huge,

767
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 2: huge go off, second shootout goal, the air for caprice,

768
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: a ball set out, the greeedom, Tonado's speeding through the slot,

769
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Speaker 2: talker shot.

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Speaker 3: Blocker second, he plascot his right arm. Tonight, the wild

771
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 3: storm back from a creena, the deficit.

772
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Speaker 1: Based on the mincus and the shootout four.

773
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: Three the final A while back in actions night grant

774
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 2: because you know arena to take on the flames. Pregame

775
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: six forty five puck drops seven o'clock. You'll hear it

776
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 2: right here on the fan. We found out Gus Buss

777
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 2: in the nets as John Hines confirmed earlier in the.

778
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Speaker 1: Show, I gotta love what the wild are doing lately.

779
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: They're they're playing well.

780
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: They're not getting results every night like they're losing overtime

781
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 2: to the Panthers. That's a really good team. They're playing

782
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: really good hockey overall. It's hard to complain.

783
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then chatting with fallness kind.

784
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 3: Of the there can be an argument made in some cases, Okay,

785
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 3: taking team seriously, the confidence that a John Hines has

786
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 3: in this team to stay to be steadfast when you're

787
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: down three to nothing like you are the other night,

788
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 3: first time in a year, in change or whatnot, that

789
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 3: they had overcome a three goal deficit. So you have

790
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 3: the confidence that they can overcome some of those things.

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Speaker 1: The only thing I would.

792
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 3: Say in disagreement, you can tell me I'm wrong, Brett,

793
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Speaker 3: like I'm not staying up late at night thinking about it.

794
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: But the idea that is the confidence in this team.

795
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: Do they have confidence.

796
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 3: To the level of we got a little push button

797
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 3: to us and so then you do have bits and

798
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: you do have conversation pieces where you're sitting here looking

799
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Speaker 3: back at a Blackhawk's victory dig that, but you're looking

800
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 3: back at a team that wasn't ready for the jump.

801
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 3: I heard the head coach say it, then I heard

802
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 3: Radio Fallness say it nobody was on time today or

803
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: something to that extent, and I'm just thinking, well, okay,

804
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 3: that's cool, really.

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00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: Good team, tons of confidence.

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00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 3: How about we are ready from the jump and let's

807
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Speaker 3: do Let's be that way tonight against kind of a

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00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 3: They're not a great team but kind of a grimy team,

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Speaker 3: or at least they've played us very competitively, very well,

810
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 3: the Calgary Flames, So in that idea, confidence can be good.

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Speaker 3: It's clearly not push button. Do we put ourselves in

812
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 3: spots that make it tougher than they need to be

813
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 3: twenty one ot slash shootout games most in the NHL.

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00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: Let's just win it in regulation tonight.

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Speaker 3: I would appreciate that, but at some point of course

816
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Speaker 3: podcastable you can listen to that before the game this evening,

817
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 3: the interview I did with with head coach John Hines,

818
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Speaker 3: and again shortly after seven o'clock tonight the puck drop

819
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 3: at Grand Casino Arena. Then they head to Edmonton, then

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00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 3: they come back against Montreal.

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Speaker 1: So it's a totally I believe, of four games.

822
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 3: A little sprint to the Olympic Break's let's take eight

823
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Speaker 3: and give.

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Speaker 1: Zero please number two. You're Minnesota Timberwolves.

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00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: They're back in action on the back half of a

826
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Speaker 2: double header against the Thunder to night Target Center.

827
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Speaker 1: I'll be in attendance eight point thirty. It's a late one.

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Speaker 2: You'll hear it on the Timberwolves channel on the iHeartRadio app,

829
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 2: as is every game for your Minnesota Timberwolves. They win

830
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 2: against what looked like to me as a non basketball

831
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Speaker 2: elite mind, it looked like a JV Maverick squad in

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Speaker 2: their throwback uniforms last night. They do get the win

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00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 2: one eighteen one oh five, but the Thunder much bigger

834
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 2: test tonight at home. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I'm just uh and and they there were you know,

836
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Speaker 3: you want to talk about talk about a team that

837
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 3: kind of makes it tough on themselves. Loved what Julius

838
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 3: Randall was doing last night. Aunt gets teed up and

839
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 3: just kind of, you know, just some frustrating moments, albeit

840
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 3: in a game that that felt like even by halftime.

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00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 3: I mean, there's just no way the Wolves are losing

842
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 3: that game. They had lost five straight, now they won

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00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 3: two in a row. I dig all that tonight. Yes,

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Speaker 3: certainly a significant mountainous step up in class against the Thunder.

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Speaker 1: I just say, I want.

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00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 3: To know about this tow thing. I'm just kind of

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00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 3: fascinated by it. With with Aunt, you hear about the

848
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 3: they honest news and all that, like by the Times,

849
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 3: and yeah, and I would I would definitely like Yiannis

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Speaker 3: on my team.

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00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: Spoiler alert.

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00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 3: Didn't mean to to ruin your flow in news here,

853
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 3: but I just want to know what is it like

854
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 3: when I hear like there's a there's an infection in

855
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 3: the toe, I'm thinking about like Gang Green or something

856
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about, just something that you would never want

857
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 3: to pop up in Google images. You just don't want

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Speaker 3: to know what that looks like, like is it just swelling?

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00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 3: Is it inflammation?

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00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: What is it?

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00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 3: And you know, to that end, they've they've been managing this.

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00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 3: It sounds like for a large bulk of the season.

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00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 3: But he plays thirty eight last night. Now he's got

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00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 3: to get after it against the against the Thunder. You

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Speaker 3: know how much is this affecting him? And I don't

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Speaker 3: want to I don't need to see the toe. I

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Speaker 3: guess I went down a road there. I don't want

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Speaker 3: to see the toe. I guess I don't want to

869
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 3: know what the infection is or how the whole thing works.

870
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 3: It just sounds gross, that's all. But excited for this

871
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 3: one tonight and tomorrow. Actually we're going to we're going

872
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 3: to be focusing kind of on how they handled this

873
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 3: back to back. There will be some Wolves conversation on

874
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: a Friday nine to noon as well, so looking forward

875
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 3: to that.

876
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: But go beat those thunder please. Number three you mentioned it.

877
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: There's four teams that NBA insider and a known Tottenham fan,

878
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: Brian Winhorse, I mentioned as destinations. Orianis Golden State, Miami Heat,

879
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: New York Knicks, and you're Minnesota Timberwolves. And he even

880
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Speaker 2: said with the Wolves quote is something from what I understand,

881
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 2: Gianna says, interest in the Timberwolves don't have the draft

882
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: picks and don't have the young players. They've got to

883
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 2: center around veteran players. But that is something we should

884
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: keep an eye on as well.

885
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

886
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 3: Interesting, Well, it is interesting. The one thing, what do

887
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 3: we don't have. We don't have the draft picks and

888
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 3: we don't have I mean, we've kind of put ourselves

889
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: into spot here. So if you're the Bucks right now

890
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 3: and on a nightly basis. You're trying to win games

891
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 3: with you like the addition to Miles Turner and accept

892
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 3: it hasn't worked out the way it was. The Miles

893
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 3: Turner in Indiana is not the Miles Turner with the Bucks.

894
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: Kuzma always been.

895
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 3: If you need twenty from them once in a while,

896
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 3: you'll get it, sometimes sadly lopsided loss. He's not going

897
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 3: to run or own games for you. And then he

898
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 3: got aj Green and Rollins kind of running up top.

899
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: Gary Harris has been very much a bounce around player

900
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 3: for a number of years. They were trying to make

901
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 3: Kevin Porter junior work. My point is to all of

902
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 3: this is that this team needs a significant rehash that

903
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 3: includes an influx of draft talent that includes young quality

904
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 3: at big spots and for at least from a draft

905
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 3: capitol standpoint, the Wolves absolutely do not have that.

906
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: Now there's potential.

907
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,479
Speaker 3: For quicker turnarounds, but that might include if you're making

908
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 3: a move bodies for bodies that might include a Jade McDaniels.

909
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 3: How frustrated with some of you be if the team

910
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 3: has gi honest, but then you also see a team

911
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 3: where we don't have Jade McDaniels anymore, would Dante de

912
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 3: Vincenzo go back to his body played previously in his

913
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 3: career in Milwaukee? And are you cool with shortening the bench,

914
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 3: shortening the roster, but significantly, of course, amplifying what you

915
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 3: have as the main feature. Tim Connolly should not be

916
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 3: counted out given how he's navigated some things. Tim Connolly

917
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 3: certainly very game for these conversations, and I'm not surprised

918
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 3: that they would be part of the chats. In terms

919
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 3: of making a move, I'm still kind of looking at

920
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 3: things and thinking, I don't know if we have enough.

921
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 3: That's kind of where my head's at right now. On

922
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,439
Speaker 3: that you got one more quick one, I do one

923
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 3: more quick one.

924
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead number four.

925
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 2: Speaking of Ron Johnson about to enter, I imagine enter

926
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Speaker 2: the studio.

927
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: There was a border battle last night. You heard it

928
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: right here on the fan.

929
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 2: At the end of the first half, your Golden Gophers

930
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 2: led the Wisconsin Badgers thirty five seventeen. Badgers then went

931
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: to role win the second half fifty to twenty eight

932
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 2: to then win the game sixty seven sixty three. Your

933
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 2: Golden Gophers now ten and eleven on the season. Not

934
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 2: the most shining second half in the Coal Center in

935
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Speaker 2: Madison for your Gophers.

936
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I heard uh, And I heard Niko's post game

937
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 3: kind of He's kind of like, damn it, I'm tired

938
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 3: of feeling like this team's lost.

939
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: I think six in a.

940
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 3: Row doesn't this kind of feel.

941
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: You know, whether Parker Fox he's been.

942
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 3: He's been in I believe earlier this week, and maybe

943
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 3: we'll get the chance to hear from him next week

944
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 3: in terms of just kind of getting a pulse on

945
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 3: the marooning gold. But when you're only about seven deep?

946
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 3: Uh K, why why am I complete? That? Is it?

947
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 1: Kide Tyson?

948
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 3: I believe is there? They're big timer that's out. He

949
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 3: doesn't play in this game. I don't know what the

950
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 3: long term or short short term situation is with his health.

951
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 3: But you're already so short, You're already without two starters

952
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 3: for the year. Uh, your leading scorer isn't in the mix,

953
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 3: and you're trying to win games in this conference and

954
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 3: you're already playing a super short bench.

955
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: You're gonna run out of gas.

956
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 3: And you got guys on this team that are playing

957
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 3: every single freaking minute of every single game, and and

958
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: they just don't have. They just don't have the resources,

959
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 3: it seems like, at this point to get over the humps.

960
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 3: So it's it's not necessarily I mean, I don't want

961
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 3: it to happen, but it's not surprising that you're going

962
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,760
Speaker 3: to see instances where they got you in that first half.

963
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 3: But then you can see tired legs and really just

964
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 3: kind of you know, in a situation where you don't

965
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 3: have answers to that and they come charging and sadly

966
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 3: we've seen it a couple times this season already, in

967
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 3: recent weeks in fact, where they got nipped at the

968
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 3: wire and in some ways just kind of ran out

969
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 3: of gas, they ran out of answers, they're short on

970
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 3: resources that that short bench man is going to be

971
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 3: tough in the big ten. So but they they're battling

972
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Speaker 3: with Bucky, I mean, they're game.

973
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Speaker 1: In these you can kind.

974
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Speaker 3: Of see what what the path forward and maybe from

975
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 3: a future standpoint, what this thing can look like. Nico's

976
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 3: got this, I mean, one a hell of a coach,

977
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 3: Nico medvet is, but right now he's not going to

978
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 3: work maybe with enough to define w's some of these

979
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 3: tough matchups.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Brett that's news Denord.

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