1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZY, Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 2: All right, thanks for telling you very much, Dan Watkins, 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 2: as we move into the nine o'clock hour. Last week 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 2: we had Governor Healy on the program with us. Later, 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 2: I guess today she released her her announcement that she's 6 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 2: going to run for re election. No surprise there, that 7 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: is for sure. I can't think of the last governor 8 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: who chose not to run for a second term. But 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 2: last week we had her on and we talked about 10 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: this effort by a murderer by the name Jose Cologne, 11 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 2: who had his hearing last week before the parole Board. 12 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: Now Cologne had a hearing because under a Massachusetts State 13 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: Supreme Court decision from nineteen from twenty twenty four called 14 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 2: the Madness Decision, our state Supreme Court here in Massachusetts 15 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,839 Speaker 2: concluded and ruled in a four to three decision, which, 16 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: by the way, is not the way normally. The State 17 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: Supreme Court in Massachusetts makes a big decision that if 18 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: someone kills someone and the assailant, the defendant or the convict, 19 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: the person who's convicted for the murder is under the 20 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: age of twenty one, so if they are still nineteen 21 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 2: or twenty. Our court came up with the theory that 22 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 2: they're emerging adults at the age of eighteen and nineteen 23 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: in twenty, so they cannot be charged. They can be 24 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: convicted of murder, but they can't be sentenced to life 25 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 2: in prison without the benefit of parole. In Massachusetts, and 26 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 2: it gets a little confusing, but there's two murder convictions. 27 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 2: One is murder in the first degree and murder in 28 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: the second degree. And if you're convicted of murder in 29 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: the second degree, your parole eligible after fifteen years. So 30 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: that gives you some hope that maybe maybe someday you 31 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: will be allowed to, you know, breathe the air of freedom. However, 32 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 2: if you are convicted of murder in the first degree, 33 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 2: you you're sentenced to life in prison without parole. Now, 34 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: the argument on the death penalty in Massachusetts twenty or 35 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 2: so years ago, a little longer than twenty or so 36 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 2: years ago, was hey, you know, you know, death penalty's 37 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: the easy way out. What these people really concerned about 38 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: is life in prison. You know, they that's what they're 39 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: scared of. So you know what, we give them life, 40 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 2: throw the key away. And that was the argument that 41 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 2: convinced the legislature to get rid of the death penalty 42 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 2: in Massachusetts. So the death penalty has been shelld for 43 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 2: a long time. So now what they're doing is they're 44 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 2: eating away at life in prison with our paroles. So 45 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 2: they're saying, okay, they got some psychologists who says, well, 46 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 2: you know, this person at the age of nineteen, irrespective 47 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: of what they did, their brain hasn't formed completely, and 48 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: they're going to be considered an emerging adult. And as 49 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 2: an emerging adult, you know, we can't put them away 50 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: for life. So in two and twenty five they begin 51 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: and I believe it was fifty two cases were heard 52 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 2: of people who were under the aid of twenty one. 53 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: I would they were they were nineteen or twenty, or 54 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: they were, you know, under the age of twenty, under 55 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: the age of twenty one actually, so they could they 56 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: could commit a they commit a murder at twenty and 57 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 2: they now become parole eligible, or at least they have 58 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: the right to a parole hearing. Doesn't mean they're going 59 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 2: to be parole, but they have the right to a 60 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: parole hearing. So the worst case was last week when 61 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 2: jose Cologne, who is now sixty three. He murdered a 62 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 2: police trooper, State Police trooper George Hannah back in nineteen 63 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 2: eighty three. Now, hopefully Colonne will never get out, but 64 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: he was able to make his pitch, and if he's denied, 65 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: he'll have another possibility at this parole five years from now. 66 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 2: It's unfair to the to the victim, it's unfear to 67 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:04,679 Speaker 2: the victim's families, it's unfair to society. So Rick Soby 68 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: in the Boston Herald wrote a piece on Friday which 69 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 2: caught my eye, and three more, apparently five more convicts 70 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 2: have been released. One is a guy who at the 71 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: age of twenty in nineteen ninety four, a long time ago. 72 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 2: I'll grant you that, you know, thirty two years ago 73 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: he killed a nineteen year old. The assailant was a 74 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: guy named Jeffrey Hardy, and he killed Thomas Marian and 75 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 2: I guess they were buddies of some sort. The victim's 76 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 2: body was discovered in a Medford park with a gunshot 77 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: wound to the face and seventy nine stab wounds to 78 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 2: his body, not seven, not nine, seventy nine. You got 79 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: to really be a messed up person if you're going 80 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: to stab someone seventy nine times now. According to the 81 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 2: peace in the Herald by Rick Sobia of last Friday, 82 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 2: he's indicted. Apparently there were a group who were involved 83 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 2: in this. The victim is also twenty, although and Hardy 84 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 2: at the time was twenty. In addition to the murder charges, 85 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 2: the trio was also charged with armed robbery and perjury 86 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 2: and all that minor crimes. Comparison prosecutors have led the 87 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 2: three men lured. This is from an article for The 88 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 2: Boston Herald nineteen ninety four by Ed Hayward. They lured 89 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: Morn behind the backstop at Columbus Park in Midford, shot 90 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: him once in the mouth, and then stabbed him. It 91 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 2: says eighty times. I guess it was just seventy nine. 92 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:56,239 Speaker 2: It wasn't quite eighty now. Mariann had a lengthy history 93 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 2: criminal history. All three were jailed on the charges they 94 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: heard the dying man's screams and the fatal gun shot 95 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: about eleven thirty. His body was discovered the next day 96 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: by a woman walking her dog at six am in 97 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: the morning. So this guy now will at some point 98 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: he's been given a parole, and he's one of the 99 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 2: three that have been after having shot someone and stabbed 100 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: him a total seventy nine times. Okay, one more. Another 101 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: first degree murder granted to Lonnie Watkins. He was convicted 102 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 2: of killing two people, killing twenty three year old Kevin 103 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: Christopher and twenty one year old Lloyd Industrious. This was 104 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety three. They were leaving a party around 105 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: at four am in the Morning's there right to do? 106 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 2: They headed back to their car. They were surrounded by 107 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: a group of young men, including Watkins, who was eighteen 108 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 2: years old. Watkins and his co defendants, they all had guns, 109 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 2: planned to take the gold necklace off of Christopher. As 110 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 2: they confronted the two men, Walkins and his co defendants 111 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 2: opened fired, striking both Christopher and Industrious. They then were 112 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 2: able to take the gold chain from Christopher's body and fled. 113 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 2: One victim died of twelve gunshot wounds and the other sustained. 114 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: He was lucky he only sustained seven gunshot wounds. Both 115 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: died as a result of their injuries. Lovely then the 116 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: third one was a guy named Kevin Dennis. Also, this 117 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 2: is a time of a lot of murder activity in 118 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 2: the Greater Boston area. In nineteen ninety four, He's eighteen 119 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: years old when he shot and killed seventeen year old 120 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 2: Drone Spence in Dorchester. Now on this night, Spencer is 121 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 2: standing in a street corner back in nineteen ninety four, 122 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: according to the article written by Rick Soby, and he 123 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: gleaned all of this information from the pro Board reports, 124 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 2: standing by a street corner. He was on a street 125 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 2: corner talking with his friend. Two young women passed briefly by, 126 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 2: and they spoke with Spence before continuing on their way. 127 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 2: Moments after the women passed, Dennis, wearing a black ski 128 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: mask you can tell those problems here, approached Spence and 129 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 2: his friends and demand their money. His friend began emptying 130 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: his pockets, but Spence had the audacity to just stand there, 131 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 2: so Dennis said to him, think I'm playing. He then 132 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 2: pulled out a three fifty seven magnum revolver and shot 133 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: at Pence from a few feet away. Four more shots 134 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 2: were fired, three bullets hit Spence and he died. Now 135 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: these are the type of individuals that are getting parole. 136 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: Apparently there were five that were paroled this year. I 137 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 2: don't think Cologne's case has been decided, and three with 138 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 2: the Nith parole if these are the people who are 139 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 2: getting parole. Who are the people of being denied parole. 140 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: We live in a society which has devalued human life, 141 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 2: because when you kill someone in the way in which 142 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 2: these people were killed, this isn't somebody who's in a 143 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 2: barroom fight and punches somebody and they fall down and 144 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 2: strike their head, you know, on the bar, on a 145 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: table or a chair die. But that's where we are 146 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 2: in Massachusetts. We are becoming the all forgiving state. I 147 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: think it's a huge mistake this decision. And again it's 148 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 2: representative of the members of the State Supreme Court. There's 149 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 2: a seven member panel. The three justices who wrote the 150 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: dissenting opinion said, this is rightfully an area for the 151 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 2: state legislature to decide. And if you're going to decide 152 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 2: and change the rules of the road, the rules of 153 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 2: the game, you do it through legislation. But no, it's 154 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 2: the seven people in black robes who are able to 155 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: impact the lives of a lot of families, a lot 156 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 2: of family and there are consequence obviously of who you 157 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 2: elect for office. In many of the judges on the 158 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 2: State Supreme Court right now, we're appointed by Charlie Baker 159 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 2: a Republican and some a couple at least by Governor Healey. 160 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 2: So I want to hear from you. Do you think 161 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 2: that this is a good development. There are two hundred 162 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 2: people who are eligible for these hearings, young men, emerging adults, 163 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 2: three women too, I guess, three women who were convicted 164 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 2: of murder in the first degree under the age of well, 165 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 2: under the age of twenty one, because some of these 166 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 2: people were twenty when they committed the crime, and they 167 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 2: now are pro eligible. And at this point it's about 168 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: seventy five percent, about three or four who are going 169 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 2: up in front of the parole board. That means of 170 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 2: the two hundred people, do the math we will have 171 00:11:55,320 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 2: when this is over one hundred and fifty people, fifty 172 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 2: people former convicts, murder, one convicts. I guess, walking the 173 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: streets of Massachusetts, how does that make you feel? Six one, seven, two, five, 174 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty. 175 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 2: Talking crime and punishment, they used to say, if you 176 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 2: commit the crime, you do the time, or don't do 177 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: the time, if you're going to commit the crime, whatever 178 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: whatever way you want to look at it. That's not 179 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 2: the rule in Massachusetts anymore. You commit whatever crime you 180 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 2: want up until murder one, and if you're of a 181 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 2: certain age or under a certain age, you'll get paroled 182 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 2: someday in all probability. Back on Nightside six one, seven, two, five, four, 183 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 2: ten thirty, six, one, seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty. 184 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 2: Does it make you warm and fuzzy to feel that 185 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 2: you live in a state with this is the way 186 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 2: the criminal justice system works? Doesn't for me, that's for sure. 187 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 2: Coming back on Nightside. 188 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 189 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 2: Let's go to the phone, see what people have to say. 190 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go first off to John and Denham. John, 191 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 2: appreciate you call your first this hour and Nightside. What 192 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 2: are your thoughts about the concept of emerging adults difficult Massachusetts? 193 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 3: Should we should we if they're not at sixteen not 194 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 3: to commit a murder, they still younger than that. I 195 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 3: guess we should take away the right to vote until 196 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 3: they turned twenty one if they can't they're not smart 197 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 3: enough to know what murder is until twenty one. 198 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great point. I never thought of that. 199 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 3: That's take you away your age of consent so you're 200 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 3: twenty one. 201 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's those Those are great points there. There's yeah, 202 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 2: I wish I have thought at those points. What you know, 203 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 2: what really bothers me. The people who are going to 204 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 2: die as a result of this decision are kids who 205 00:13:55,240 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: live in poor neighborhoods in Boston. You don't have many 206 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 2: merging adults in Wellesley and Weston killing their neighbors, okay, 207 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: But in Boston, with gangs and stuff, you have a 208 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 2: lot of seventeen, sixteen, eighteen year old, nineteen year old 209 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 2: kids who are walking around, they're walking heavy, they got 210 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 2: a gun, and they get into a beef with someone, 211 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 2: and it's no longer they know. Life in prison without 212 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 2: parole doesn't exist LWOP. Life without parole doesn't exist in 213 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 2: Massachusetts anymore. And I will bet you that they will 214 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: be several kids, particularly poor kids, who will lose their lives. 215 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 2: Where if the life in prison without parole still exist existed, 216 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 2: some of the young people who act impetuously would think 217 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 2: twice about it. 218 00:14:55,160 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 3: Oh, I tell you, I hate to generalize, but I 219 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 3: heard you mentioned that Governor Healy with no but a surprise, 220 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 3: is gonna run for governor again. We can't put these democrats, 221 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 3: aren't the Democrats we grew up with. They're pro the 222 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 3: pro the pro criminal, and anti victims. They're pro illegal 223 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 3: and anti American citizens. And that brought this up before. 224 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 3: When when that Chick fil Ay, when that Bostic officer 225 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 3: shots on his kick fil A defending yes, yes, and 226 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 3: whose first instinct was the oh, feeling sorry for the 227 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 3: suspect that that's that's the Democrat. I'm telling you what, 228 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 3: just people of Massachusetts, you can't keep voting for these 229 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 3: Democrats who are protecting murderers and rapists. When we when 230 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 3: we had when the Bible was private. What's a bunch 231 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 3: of assaults at these twaces where are the illegals were 232 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 3: and nobody was doing anything about it. 233 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: Well, there's been a lot of hat there's been a 234 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 2: lot of horrible examples of where people who were in 235 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 2: the country illegally, whether it's Riley Laken, the woman down 236 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 2: the nurse at the college down in Georgia, there are others. 237 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 2: Over the years, I've talked to many families, you know, 238 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: so called angel moms. There was a police officer in Mesa, Arizona. 239 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: He was killed in a head on crash with an 240 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 2: illegal who was you know, drunk out of his mind 241 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 2: and speeding on a major roadway and this guy's just 242 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 2: literally coming home from work. The stories went on and 243 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 2: on and on, but you never got the emphasis uh 244 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 2: in the uh in some of the journals. You know 245 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 2: who you know, you feel sorry obviously for the woman 246 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 2: who was killed in Minneapolis the other day, but you 247 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 2: need to have a balance here, and you need to say, Okay, 248 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 2: what are we talking about. People used to say to me, John, Well, 249 00:16:55,920 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 2: you know Americans killed people too, that's true, but we 250 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 2: don't need to import more people into the country who 251 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 2: have a proclivity for killing or proclivity for crime. And 252 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: by the way, just I'm not defending Governor Heay here. However, 253 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 2: I will remind my audience that the chief Justice of 254 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court here in Massachusetts, who wrote the majority 255 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 2: opinion in this case, was nominated to the Supreme Court 256 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 2: by none other than Charlie Baker. So it doesn't break 257 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 2: us cleanly along party lines, as you and I might 258 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 2: like to think. 259 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 3: Well, you wonder if they're trying to appease the voter's 260 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 3: base here, which was obviously a liberal state. But when 261 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 3: I was channel sent talked about that Renee Good and 262 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 3: the way they explained that she was shot as she 263 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 3: was trying to drive away. That's how they explained it. Yeah, 264 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 3: if they don't, just give us the facts. Just give 265 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 3: us the facts and let us make the decisions with 266 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 3: the facts. 267 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the problem, the problem is the problem is 268 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 2: you make a really dumb decision when when an officer 269 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,719 Speaker 2: of the law tells you to turn off the engine 270 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 2: and get out of your car, it's the smartest thing 271 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 2: to do is to turn off the engine and get 272 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 2: out of your car, even if you're going to be arrested, 273 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 2: and you fight it in court exactly. 274 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 3: And I'll tell you that I know this is not 275 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 3: the topic. But when I saw all the videos, you 276 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 3: notice that the vehicles wheels were turned left. And I 277 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 3: don't think she realized when she went to take off 278 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 3: there was still turned left. I don't think she had 279 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 3: intent of driving at him, but unfortunately intent doesn't matter. 280 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I actually I saw her turning her wheel 281 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 2: to the right just before the shooting occurred. But you know, 282 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 2: let's let's let's focus on the problems here in Massachusetts. 283 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 2: I don't know what we can do. We live in 284 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 2: a one party state. Uh And and and that's a 285 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 2: problem because you know, I keep quoting my friend, former 286 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 2: US District Court judge Mark Will used to quote Lord Act, 287 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 2: and power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. 288 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 3: I can't remember her name, the woman who comes on 289 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 3: there regularly, who does the cold cases. 290 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 2: Yes, Emily Sweetey are something. 291 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 3: The stories they just break your heart. We get if 292 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 3: they're dealing with the murder of the loved one. 293 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 2: And they never know, they never know. It's forty years 294 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 2: later and their family is dying off and they never know. 295 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 2: Hopefully there's a heaven and when they get to heaven 296 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 2: they'll find out the real story. But it's Massachusetts. Massachusetts 297 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 2: is not heaven at this point. Folks. Just understand those. Hey, John, 298 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 2: I appreciate your call. You know, just get involved in 299 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 2: politics and Denham. Run for state representative out there, run 300 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 2: for the selectmen. Those are the most important things people 301 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 2: can do. You selling a really sharp and a bright guy. 302 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 3: Get involved. I used to say this, nothing else to 303 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 3: live for. 304 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 2: I'll run for office, John, That's the problem. The good 305 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 2: people are out working, paying taxes, and a lot of 306 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 2: the people who are running and collected to office, they 307 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 2: have an agenda and they're winning. Thanks John, have a 308 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 2: great night. Six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty. 309 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 2: One line there six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. 310 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 2: I want to hear from you. If this doesn't anger you, 311 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 2: there's something wrong with you. There really is. Okay. So 312 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 2: if you're listening and you're angry and you don't have 313 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 2: the courage to call, I'm stunned. I'm stunned that you 314 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 2: don't want to add your voice to the chorus We're here. 315 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 2: Six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty. Six one 316 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 2: seven nine three one ten thirty. Doesn't it bother you? 317 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 2: It really bothers me. Maybe I'm just an oddball. Back 318 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 2: on night Side, Night. 319 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: Side Thought with Dan Ray, I'm telling you Bzy Boston's 320 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: news Radio. 321 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 2: We're gonna move it a little bit more quickly. Let 322 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: me go to Jerry and West Roxbury. Jerry next on Nightside, 323 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 2: right ahead, Jan, how you doing. I'm doing just great. 324 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 2: And we just lost him. Okay, Jerry called back and 325 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 2: I think you probably went to put us on speakerphone 326 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 2: and you lost us. Jerry, so call back. We did 327 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 2: not hang up on you. Call back and I'll get 328 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 2: you back on the air. Brian Shortsleeve, how are you, sir? 329 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 4: Hey, Dan, how are you tonight. That's great to be on. 330 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 2: Well, thanks very much for calling in. Brian Shortsleeve is 331 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 2: a Republican candidate running for governor, and I know that 332 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 2: he probably has a lot to say here on this issue. 333 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 2: Go right ahead, Brian, and love to know what your 334 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 2: thought is on this. 335 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 4: Oh, I got some good news for John from Deadham. 336 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 4: Help is on the way. You know what we need 337 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 4: in this day to day new governor John. 338 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 2: Guys like John have to get involved though it. You know, 339 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 2: the the other side works really hard and you got 340 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 2: to give him credit for it. They are very committed. 341 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 4: So they are committed. But here's here's the fact. Dan 342 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 4: more Healy's parole board is totally out of control. She 343 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 4: has nominated five of the current six members of this board. 344 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 4: You know how many prisoners they've released in the last year, 345 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 4: thirty nine of fifty one. Dan, that's a seventy six 346 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 4: percent release rate. 347 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,719 Speaker 2: Very famili We talked, We talked about that number, and 348 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 2: I asked her the other night when she was on 349 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 2: about that number, and she just wanted to talk about 350 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 2: the Jose Cologne case and the trooper I'm hinting parole hearing, 351 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 2: But but that's seventy six. If you extrapolate that number, 352 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 2: there's two hundred or so cases that the Parole Board 353 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 2: is taking up of emerging adults. You you extrapolate andorial. 354 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 4: Appointments, those are goubernatorilet posts. I'm governor. We will appoint 355 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 4: five members of that board that care about victim's right, 356 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 4: will take board members off that are releasing people, because 357 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 4: the reality is this is not justice. It's a complete 358 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 4: slap in the face to families and the victims. Heally 359 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 4: should be removing those Parole board members. She should be 360 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 4: coming out much more strongly. And when I hear the stories, 361 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 4: I mean as was said, I mean the stories are heartbreaking. 362 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 4: Victims do not get parole from death, Families do not 363 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 4: get parole from grief. And I think this board is 364 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 4: a lot more focused on the rights of criminals than 365 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 4: the rights of victims. 366 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 2: Well, what happens, and I've seen it in my years 367 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 2: as a reporter, is that everybody in prison, and whether 368 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 2: it's a murder one or something, they all find Jesus. 369 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 2: Jesus has to be everywhere in prison, and they find 370 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 2: some advocate who says this person has turned their life around, 371 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 2: They've taken courses in sewing and crocheting, and they no 372 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 2: longer are an angry human being. They've made some wonderful 373 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 2: scarfs for people whatever, and they've they've taken a couple 374 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 2: of classes at Boston University, and they're ready to go 375 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 2: back into society. Even though they did kill somebody shot 376 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 2: him in the mouth, that sab him seventy nine times. 377 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 2: He was just having a bad day that night, you know. 378 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 4: But it's a slow erosion of the criminal justice system. 379 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 4: It's totally outrageous. And I remember the original promise made 380 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 4: when this state did away with the death penalty was 381 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 4: that we would have something better. Better was life without parole, 382 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 4: and apparently we don't have that anymore either. I think 383 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 4: it's completely outrageous. When I am governor, we will put 384 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 4: new people on that board, will put victims rights first. 385 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 4: It's just outrageous that these type criminals are being released. 386 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 2: Let me just put you on the spot just a 387 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 2: little bit, okay, And I think it's important for everybody 388 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 2: to be honest here. There's several members of the State 389 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 2: Supreme Court, including the Chief Justice who was appointed by 390 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 2: a Republican, Charlie Baker. 391 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 4: That made me Dan, it is true. I will put 392 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 4: I will justices. I will put justice in that fight 393 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 4: for law. This particular board, five of these six members 394 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 4: are appointed by Governor Heally. 395 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 2: No, No, I understand the pro board, but the State 396 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 2: Supreme Court which wrote the maddest decision which gives the 397 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 2: parole Board now a legal underpinning to basically determine because 398 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 2: a couple of psychologists said, well, when you're eighteen or 399 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 2: nineteen or twenty, you really don't understand the concept of 400 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 2: murder is really essentially what they're saying. 401 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 4: But Dan, that was a slip decision. That was a 402 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 4: four to three decision. That was not a green light. 403 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 4: That was not a green light to release seventy six 404 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 4: percent of the criminals we've seen them. That's that's where 405 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 4: it comes down to discretion. You know, when I'm governor, 406 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 4: we will put people on that board that care about 407 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,479 Speaker 4: victims rights. We will put people on that board that 408 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 4: understand if we continue to release hardened criminals, we are 409 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 4: seeing a slow erosion of the criminal just system. There's 410 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 4: no accountability, and the truth is we've neutered the line 411 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 4: between what's justice and what is it. The more people 412 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 4: that get out the more folks in jail are going 413 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 4: to make the pitch they're going to hire advocates that 414 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 4: we're get up in a system where we've got hardened 415 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 4: murderers on the streets and I think it's completely outrageous. 416 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 2: Well there again, if they continue at this pace of 417 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 2: seventy six percent of parole out of two hundred cases, 418 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 2: that's one hundred and fifty cases. Well, I have one 419 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty young murderers who convicted the in our 420 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 2: criminal justice system a murder in the first degree. Brian. 421 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 2: If folks like what they hear tonight they want to 422 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 2: get in touch with you, feel free to give the 423 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 2: campaign a plug. How can they get in touch with you? 424 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 4: Well, well, thanks so much, Dan. Please join us on 425 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 4: Facebook at Brian Shortsleeve for Massachusetts or online at Brianshortsleeves 426 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 4: dot com. We've got tremendous momentum. I'm out every day 427 00:26:58,640 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 4: and i'd love to get your listeners in. 428 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 2: Okay, Well again, this is a candidate. What time did 429 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 2: you start this morning? Brian? 430 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 4: About five am? And I've been all over Central Mouth 431 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 4: and Worcester, but I always catch your show dance when 432 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 4: i'm dropping on the mask pison. 433 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 2: Thank you over me tonight and any night when you 434 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 2: want to call in and the subject is important to you, 435 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 2: as it clearly is tonight, You're always welcome. Thanks Brian, 436 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 2: appreciate well. 437 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 4: I'm very passionate about this. And help is on the way, 438 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 4: Thanks Dan, Thank. 439 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 2: You very much. I love that slogan. Help us on 440 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 2: the way, Thanks Brian. Let me go to Wendy in Marlborough. Hey, Wendy, 441 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 2: I want to get you in here before the break. 442 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 3: Go right ahead, Hi Yan, can you hear me? Okay, yes, 443 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 3: I can. 444 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 2: Wendy, you go right ahead. I'm all ears, Okay. 445 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 5: I just have a question for you. If the young 446 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 5: Laurier is it getting out? What made you? What you're 447 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 5: gonna to each other? Oh? We can we offend because 448 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 5: you're not gonna do it. You're not gonna do our 449 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 5: time go. You're gonna let us go, you know. I mean, 450 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 5: it's great. 451 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 2: I don't I don't understand the question. I want to 452 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,719 Speaker 2: make sure that I understand. Are you asking me why 453 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 2: I think these folks might re offend? Is that your question? 454 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 4: No? 455 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 5: I'm sorry. I didn't mean as plage as a question, 456 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 5: but I'm just saying that these folks will probably get out. Say, Okay, 457 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 5: I'm I'm a murderer. I'm gonna get out when I'm 458 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 5: twenty three, twenty four, I'm gonna go kill again. I'll 459 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 5: go away for another five or six years and I'll 460 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 5: get out. 461 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not so, I'm not so much worried about that. 462 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 2: What I am worried about is that there will be 463 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 2: one hundred if we continue with this pace, one hundred 464 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 2: and fifty young people who might be in their thirties. 465 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 2: They could be in there. I think what they will 466 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 2: do is they will they will make them serve at 467 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 2: least fifteen years. It would be unfair to turn people 468 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 2: of them, you know, a parole before fifteen years. And 469 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 2: so you could you could commit a murder as a 470 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 2: as a teenager seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, even twenty years old, 471 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 2: get convicted, and then be paroled by time you're thirty five, 472 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 2: and I just I don't trust it. I mean, the 473 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 2: bottom line is these people committed some horrific crimes. I 474 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 2: read this one where a where the victim was stabbed 475 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 2: seventy nine times and shot in the face. No, I mean, 476 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 2: I guess they wanted the kid dead. 477 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 5: And I mean, yeah, there's only so much we have 478 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 5: relocation you been do in prison. But what I'm saying 479 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 5: is they're gonna get out, And I say, okay, oh cool, 480 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 5: I'm now what can I do? You know, get in 481 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 5: troubled again and then here we go, here we go again. 482 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 5: They gotta stab somebody else. 483 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 2: Well that's that's that's that's it's the problem. And then 484 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 2: if that does happen, what responsibility do the of course 485 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 2: the state Supreme Court justice are immune from civil lawsuits, 486 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 2: but uh, you know, the bottom line is we don't 487 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 2: care as a state. You know, we don't care in 488 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 2: Massachusetts about the victims because it's not our family. Uh 489 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 2: thank god, it's not. Never been your family, never been 490 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 2: my family. But we don't we don't care about the victims. 491 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 2: We don't say, gee, that could have been a member 492 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 2: of my family. We say, oh it was some it 493 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 2: was some you know, eighteen year old black kid who 494 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 2: was shot you know, uh, twenty years ago. And you know, 495 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 2: I mean, what ever, and and I'll tell you if 496 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 2: this was happening to two people consistently, and places like 497 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 2: Wellesley and and Natick and Waltham and Winchester, and you know, 498 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 2: some of these beautiful suburban communities. That'd be a very 499 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 2: different reaction, as simple as that. 500 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 5: And they're right, it's not fads for the victims spammage 501 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 5: at all. 502 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 3: You bet you guys, Justice it goes. 503 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 2: We're breaking up on our connection a little bit here, 504 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 2: just in time because I got to go to a 505 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 2: commercial break. Thanks so much for listening, Thanks so much 506 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 2: for calling in. I appreciate you. You taking the time. 507 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 3: O Jay benight, I can hear you just great. 508 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 2: You have a great one too, Thanks. Wendy six four 509 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 2: ten thirty six one seven. I think it's outrageous what 510 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 2: is happening. Obviously some of you don't think it's outrageous. 511 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 2: If you'd like to join the conversation, uh, and if 512 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 2: you disagree with me, if you think that these emerging 513 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 2: results adults as they're called, it's like a made up word, 514 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 2: is what it is? An emerging result adult? You know, 515 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 2: you emerge from your mother's womb the day you're born. 516 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 2: But an emerging adult, that's that's a psychobabble term. In 517 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 2: my opinion. Six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty 518 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 2: six one seven nine three one ten thirty You live 519 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 2: in Massachusetts. If you live in other states, you can 520 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 2: call in as well. But if you live in Massachusetts, 521 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 2: how do you do? I mean, if this really bothers me. 522 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 2: If it doesn't bother you, don't call. But if it 523 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 2: bothers you, I'd love to hear from you. Six one, seven, two, five, 524 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty. 525 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 2: Coming right back on the night Side. 526 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w BZ, 527 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: Boston's news radio. 528 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 2: Jerry from West Roxban. I know you're out there, so 529 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 2: feel free to call back. We're trying to get you in. 530 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 2: We're gonna get Rick and Merrimack up next. Hey, Rick, 531 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 2: thank you for calling in. How are you tonight? 532 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 3: Oh? 533 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 4: Pretty good? 534 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 5: And thank you for having me. 535 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't really have a gist on your question. 536 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 2: You've been listening to the show Rick for the last 537 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 2: and second Yeah, Well do me favorite call back later 538 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 2: on after you get a little I just can't repeat 539 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,959 Speaker 2: the show to get your your take on it, but 540 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 2: feel free feel free to listen a little longer and 541 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 2: then we can have a good conversation. I appreciate your 542 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 2: call back. Thanks, Rack, appreciate it. Let me go next 543 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 2: to Joe inn in East Boston. I wish I could 544 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 2: kind of repeat the show for every caller, but that's 545 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 2: really not possible. Folks. Hi joe In, You're next one 546 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 2: night side. 547 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 6: Hey Dan, how are you? I've called a few times. 548 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 6: We've had a lot of lively conversation about the city 549 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 6: and the state, and so I'm a social worker. The 550 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 6: key thing that bothers me is the thing that gets 551 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 6: cut a lot is mental health services and not these 552 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 6: people that are doing these crimes pushing people off the 553 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 6: platforms at the MBTA. That is mental illness, clearly, and 554 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 6: yet we can't we can't support people to come to 555 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 6: therapy because there is not enough money or services, and 556 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 6: it gets cut. So every time that you know, the 557 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 6: grandstand is when someone gets selected and they say I'm 558 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 6: gonna put this much money to you know, drug and 559 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,280 Speaker 6: prevention and all of this, and then in the middle 560 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 6: of the year it gets cut and no one sees that, 561 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 6: but yet it gets cut for something else. 562 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 2: I think that Joeyne, you and I probably have more 563 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 2: in agreement than disagreement. I think that you do need 564 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 2: programs to help people who are mentally ill, or people 565 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 2: who have anger issues, or people who have drug issues. 566 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 2: I mean within our society, very few of us are 567 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 2: perfect human beings. If and I'm not, and I don't 568 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,720 Speaker 2: think there is anyone. The only guy there was perfect 569 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 2: was a guy who was around about two thousand years 570 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 2: ago who they killed on across But put that aside 571 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 2: for a moment. All I'm just saying is we have 572 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 2: to have programs to help people. But when someone veers 573 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,280 Speaker 2: off and they shoot if another person and then stab 574 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 2: them seventy nine times, I'm not sure I want to 575 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 2: take a chance in putting that person back out in 576 00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 2: the general. 577 00:34:58,719 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 4: No. 578 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 6: And so we don't have any hospitals either that used 579 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 6: to confine them Aksbury, I think, what's the one Tooksbury? 580 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 2: But there was one in Mattapan. You had Maclain. There 581 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 2: were others. I remember those Bridgewater, and there was a 582 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 2: lot of action taken by the progressives of the day 583 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 2: who said, this is inhumane to warehouse these people. We 584 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 2: have to give them a right to be out and 585 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 2: free and express themselves. And that's why you have so 586 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 2: many homeless people, how many drug addicts. I mean, you know, 587 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 2: the best intentions I think resulted in some horrific results. 588 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 6: Yes, And on top of that, this you know this 589 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,240 Speaker 6: latest thing that catches on with throwing gasoline on people, 590 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 6: on women especially sure, so, where where is the governor 591 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 6: and the mayor coming out about crimes that are happening 592 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,760 Speaker 6: in the tea. They want us to take the tea, 593 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 6: but they're going to punish us if we drive a 594 00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 6: certain amount of miles. 595 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, joe In. I hope that you can harness 596 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 2: First of all, I want you to become a more 597 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 2: regular caller on my show because I really mean that 598 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 2: number one. Number two, I want you to harness that 599 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 2: energy and find some way to you could speak you 600 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 2: speaking tens of thousands of people right now. That's an 601 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 2: important message. You just imparted. I got to get one 602 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 2: other call in here. 603 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,760 Speaker 6: Because more give me one more minute. 604 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 2: I can't because I'm trying to save one minute for 605 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,879 Speaker 2: a woman in Florida who's calling. But when you call back, 606 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 2: I'll give you plenty of time, I promise. Okay, all right, 607 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 2: become a regular because oh I am. 608 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 6: I'm always listening to you. I think people don't want 609 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 6: to hear me. My friends don't want to hear it. 610 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 2: I want to hear you that my audience needs to 611 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 2: hear you. Thanks j night, Kathy and Florida. Kathy, you're 612 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 2: a late caller always. I got one minute. I saved 613 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 2: it for you. Ahead. 614 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 7: Well, we're living in such an upside down world, Dan, 615 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 7: no question, I mean, no question at all. But I 616 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 7: wondered too. You know, we have a governor's council that 617 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 7: appoints judges, and when you look at some of these judges, 618 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 7: it's kind of mind boggling when decisions are made and 619 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 7: people are let out, and it's just kind of overwhelming 620 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 7: to think that, you know, I mean more so in 621 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:31,800 Speaker 7: Massachusetts than even down here. There was actually just here 622 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 7: in Florida, three tourists that were killed just randomly by 623 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 7: some crazy man that was just outloose. And they were, 624 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 7: you know, just here for the weekend visiting Disney and 625 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 7: someplace else. 626 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 2: And were those the people that there were killed literally 627 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,320 Speaker 2: steps away from Disney that I heard about briefly. 628 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 7: Yep, they were eight miles from Disney. 629 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a difference. There was a killing outside 630 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 2: of I heard there was a killing very close to 631 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 2: Disneyland or Disney World. I guess it's in Florida yesterday. 632 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 2: But I do me a favorite. I've got a guest 633 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,399 Speaker 2: coming up at ten, so I can't hold you over. 634 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,919 Speaker 2: I'm changing topics. We're going to talk with former US 635 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 2: Ambassador to Denmark, Alan Eleveenthal. But you got to call 636 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 2: a little early and I'll try to get you in quicker. Okay, 637 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 2: all right, thank you, have a great night. Good night. Okay. 638 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 2: So when we come back, we're going to talk about Greenland, 639 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 2: Donald Trump. We're gonna talk with the former ambassador, the 640 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 2: United States Ambassador to Denmark, Allan Leventhal. He will have 641 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 2: some thoughts and what the president wants to do. I'm 642 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 2: not sure what President Trump wants to do. I'm not 643 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 2: sure he knows what he wants to do. We'll be 644 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 2: talking about it right after the ten o'clock news