1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Well, well, well, with the Bill Belichick not making the 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame controversy in full flight, and boy it 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: is burning awful. Bright, I've got a way to reset 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: the Halls of Fame, all of them, Baseball, football, Basketball, hockey, 5 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: rock and roll. 6 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: Here's what to do. 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: The Hall of Fame director, it's a guy named Jim 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: Porter from football. I guess they have a board in 9 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: Cooper's town for the baseball Hall of Fame. But the 10 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: top of the food chain at each institution has the 11 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: right to say, for example, with football, this is ridiculous 12 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: Belichick's in, and with baseball, that Hall of Fame's board 13 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: of directors can say, look all. 14 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 2: The steroids. 15 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: And Pete Rose and shoeless Joe Jackson, and now the 16 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: Hall has all the best players, as it should, and 17 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: then the controversy is gone, and then making it's an 18 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: honor again instead of a constant hateful debates. These voters 19 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: for these halls, with their agendas and grudges and pettiness 20 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: and self righteousness, let's disempower those vocals. Let's let them vote, 21 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: but let's let them have the absolute last word. Because 22 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: what's going on with this Belichick thing, It's just too much. 23 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: A Hall of Fame. 24 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: Isn't supposed to be about constant controversy. 25 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: Just do the right thing. 26 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: So at the top of the food chain, the director, 27 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: the board, whatever, they can overroll the voters and put 28 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: in somebody whose exclusion is deemed to be an obvious mistake, 29 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: like Belichick or in the case of the steroid guys 30 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: in baseball. Yeah they've done something wrong, but look at 31 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: the numbers, look at the context, and we don't want 32 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: people talking about it all the time. 33 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: Your thoughts on that. Give a call whenever you like, 34 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 2: because Tom got fired. Let's just move on from that. 35 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: Eight three three four one two w xdx the number 36 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 1: to call eight three three four one two w xdx. 37 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: You could also follow me on Twitter at Mark madden x. 38 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: The first hour of the show brought to us by Senderovich, Shendroovich, 39 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: and Fishman. Now, even though I think Belichick should have 40 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: got voted in and that they should do what I said, 41 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: just override the vote and say, okay, he's in, now, 42 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: we should remember Belichick didn't get randomly excluded. He cheated 43 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: twice Spygate, which is a big deal, and to flake Gate, 44 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: which is lesser, but cheating. Nonetheless, there's a reason he 45 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: was excluded. And let's not forget the NFL thought that 46 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: spygate was bad enough that it destroyed the evidence of 47 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: Belichick and the Patriots cheating so as not to really 48 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: put a black mark upon the game. Anyway, Like I said, 49 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: your thoughts eight three to three, four one two WSDX, 50 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: we got these Steelers assistant coaching hires to consider, like 51 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: Patrick Grahm from Vegas being the defensive coordinator that's as 52 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: yet unconfirmed. We also hear Jason Simmons is on board 53 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: as the passing game coordinator on defense. We talked yesterday 54 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: about Tim Arth is going to be retained as the 55 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach. I'm assuming because Rogers is okay with him, 56 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: and this is part of a full court press to 57 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: bring back Rogers. The Steelers are keeping I think three 58 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: people from Tomlins staff, which I guess I get. 59 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 2: It makes things easier if you keep. 60 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: X amount of coaches from last year, and cheaper too 61 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: if they're still under contract. And in terms of Arth, 62 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: Rogers is already used to not listening to Arth. They 63 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: really want Rogers back. I really do not, But here 64 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: we go. You know, you look at the AFC North 65 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: and you compare head coaches. Pittsburgh got McCarthy, Cleveland got 66 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: Todd Monkin, Baltimore got Jesse Minner, Cincinnati still has Zach Taylor. 67 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: Maybe McCarthy is the best coach in the division by default, 68 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: but then you got to compare quarterbacks. A lot of 69 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: people say that Jim Schwartz should have got hired to 70 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: be defensive coordinator because he's just a brilliant defensive mind. 71 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: Look what he's done with his defense everywhere he's been, 72 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: most recently last year at Cleveland, best defense in the league. 73 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: Miles Garrett set the sack record. Used Garrett in a 74 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: bunch of inventive ways. Then again, maybe that could have 75 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: been done here by Austin and Tomlin with TJ. Watt, 76 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: if TJ. Watt would acquiesce to do anything but what 77 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: he's comfortable with with what he's always done. Any hoodles, 78 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,799 Speaker 1: Schwartz is walking at Cleveland because he thought he should 79 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: have got the head coaching job and he did not. 80 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: Monken did. 81 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:48,799 Speaker 1: But the reason they didn't bring Schwartz in is because 82 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: he's a four to three guy. And all the ed 83 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: rushes for the Steelers, her big high Smith Watt or 84 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: strictly three four guys. Maybe the warrior Jack Sawyer could adapt, 85 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: and who knows, maybe the others. I mean, I have 86 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: a hunch Heigsmith could too. But they're keeping the three 87 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: four So Graham is a three to four guy and 88 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: Jim Schwartz is not. That's the bottom line, and that's 89 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: what I mean about how they should have done a reset, 90 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: go to a fourth or you could figure it out, 91 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: maybe different people. Maybe you got to chop and change. 92 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: That's part of doing a reset. But this ain't a reset. 93 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: They're gonna do exactly the same thing and just hope 94 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: for the best and set up for ten and seven 95 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: or nine and eight or worse whatever. I'm gonna talk 96 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: about this at length later in the program. 97 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 2: But make no mistake. If all they do is go nine. 98 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: And eight, don't make the playoffs, don't win the division, 99 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: but go nine to eight, that will be seen in 100 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: art size is not wasting a season because they competed, 101 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: didn't have a losing season. That streak would be intact. 102 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: Every game meant something, that streak would also be intact. 103 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: It's not about what you want, it's about what Art 104 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: Rooney wants. What Art launch is absolutely the bear minimum. 105 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: I just was thinking, it's thirty years since the Steelers 106 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: lost Super Bowl thirty nineteen ninety six tempe Arizona, Dallas 107 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: beats him. That was when Neil O'Donnell threw the game well, 108 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: or so you thought. He actually played okay except for 109 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: two backbreaking interceptions to Larry Brown of Dallas, who got 110 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl MVP. Other than that, Missus Lincoln, how 111 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: did you like to play? I was there at Super 112 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: Bowl thirty works over the Post Gazette. Too much work 113 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: but great parties, Hollywood stars, cocaine, mango, great food. I 114 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: met Jim belush See. Too much work but worth doing. 115 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: We got a packed lineup for you today. We got 116 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: Jesse Marshall from the Athletic Talking Hockey at two thirty, 117 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: Josh Owey of the Athletic Talking Hockey at three thirty. 118 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: By the way, Rob Rossey did a real good story 119 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: on UH for The Athletic about the gay hockey series 120 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: Heated Rivalry. 121 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 2: I don't mean to diminish your demean It's great TV. 122 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: That's just the simplest way to describe it because everybody 123 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: knows what you're talking about and its impact on the 124 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: game and attracting new fans, so be sure to check that. 125 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 2: Out at the Athletic. 126 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: Then at four o'clock, we got former Steelers quarterback Charlie Batch, 127 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: and Charlie will have some great insight, uh, because he 128 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: was a local kid playing for the Steelers and now 129 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: McCarthy's a local guy coaching the Steelers. There's a unique 130 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: kind of pressure that goes with that. Charlie can relate 131 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: and he'll talk to us about that and all things 132 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: Stealers at four o'clock. And then at for thirty, Jerry 133 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: do not going to Post gazette, and it's reported that 134 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 1: he had a vote for the Hall of Fame and 135 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: didn't vote for Belichick. I'm not sure that's true, but 136 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: we'll get it right from the horse's mouth at any rate. 137 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: When Jerry joins us at for thirty, don't forget. Next Tuesday, 138 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: the Penguins visit the New York Islanders and what could 139 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: be a first round playoff preview, and we're gonna talk 140 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: a lot about the Penguins. I mean a lot about 141 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: the peng was next segment because they host Chicago tonight. 142 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: But I'll be hosting a viewing party for Penguins Islanders 143 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: seven thirty puck drop at Pittsburgh Brewing Company. Just off 144 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: through twenty eight Creighton, I'm gonna give away a ton 145 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: of bobbleheads, a ton of other stuff. Gonna be have 146 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: my fifty years. No cups, fires T shirts available, and 147 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 1: they got the biggest big screen TV anywhere at Pitts Brewing. 148 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: So joined me for that viewing party there next Tuesday 149 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: at seven thirty. I get there at seven because I 150 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: just want to have fun all night. Maybe I have 151 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: an icy light or two. Awakened one of Oh by 152 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: the way, I am down to forty nine and a 153 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: half pounds lost, and I had to buy a bunch 154 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: of new clothes today, so this thing's costing me money. 155 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: Thank you, Awakened one eighty. I just round the corner. 156 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: Lots of Penguins talk one five ninety X double IM 157 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: on the X. Tom not with us today. He's fired. 158 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: Maybe back at some point we're negotiating. Penguins return home 159 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: tonight to face Chicago after a four to zero road trip. 160 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: You gotta keep going, gotta make more space in the standings. 161 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 2: Chicago ain't very good. 162 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: They've lost three in a row, but they got Bidard 163 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 1: and are still kind of but not really. In the 164 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: playoff race out West. With the Rust suspension, the Penguins 165 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: have rejigged lies more than I would have, but still 166 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: nothing too major. The Malcad line and the fourth line 167 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: remain as is. Brazo moves up to the SID line 168 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: with Raquel Rutger McGroarty was summoned from Wilkes. 169 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 2: He'll play with Kendall and Mantha. 170 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: I would have just put McGroarty on Sid's line, but 171 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure this is what Sid wanted. 172 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 2: Hilloffs will be in goal with Russ. 173 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: Dott Chinnikov will get a shot on the top power play, 174 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: which I like he shoots. 175 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: Let's see if if he does good. 176 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: That said, even if he does do better than Rust, 177 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: Russ will go right back in because that's how it works. 178 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: That's the one thing about Mus's coaching I don't like. 179 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: He goes back to how it was instead of sticking 180 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: with what's working. Sometimes well, specifically on the power play, 181 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: because Kendall should be on the top power play, but 182 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: it's gonna be Raquel, Rust, Crosby, Malkin and Carlson when. 183 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: They're available no matter what. H Yo. 184 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: He wrote a good article about guys. The Penguins could 185 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: get a couple guys. I like our Brandon Schneider from 186 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: the New York Rangers who were in selling mode. Panarin's 187 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: gonna go. He's not going to play for them again, 188 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: not going to get dressed between now and the Olympic break. 189 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: And YOI also speculates Shane Wright of Seattle, who's kind 190 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: of a China coop, sort of reclamation project. First round 191 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: pick was thought to be real good. Ain't yet, but 192 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: maybe he needs a change of scenario. He's a center, 193 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: and the Penguin's got lots of centers, but you can 194 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: never have too many centers. Uh, it's going to be 195 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: an active market after the Olympics and before the March 196 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: sixth trade deadline. The New York Islanders have already made 197 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: a couple of trades to try and upgrade. But Andre Palette, 198 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: the uh, the the winger who won the Cup. I 199 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: think a couple cups with Tampa. So again, that's gonna 200 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: be frisky. The Penguins will be in the race when 201 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: the trade deadline comes about March sixth, and so they 202 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: can't sell, but they're not gonna sacrifice future to acquire either. 203 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: You might need a defenseman, if anything, because with Saint 204 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: Ivan Yacht you're an injury away from playing a defenseman 205 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: you don't really want to. Then again, that Solivoff is 206 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: gonna make his debut tonight. He's gonna partner Shay, who 207 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: will move to the off side on the Penguin's third pair. 208 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: So let's see what he's all about. The Olympic break 209 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: is gonna do the Penguins a lot of good. And yeah, 210 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: I know Sid and Carlson gonna be over there playing, 211 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 1: and I hope Sid wins. I'd love to see a 212 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: Canada versus Sweden final. I don't measure my patriotism by 213 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: how athletes do. But Malkin's gonna get rest because Rush 214 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: is wrongfully excluded. And Kendall eighteen, great player, worn down 215 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 1: by the riggers of the NHL as a teenager. He's 216 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: gonna get arrested too. So that's gonna be good for 217 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: those two players, and good for the Penguins. Boy, that 218 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: New York situation, I'm gonna trade pinerin. Sully went there, 219 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: and he's not why it's falling apart, but it certainly 220 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: is falling apart. And don't forget the Rangers visit the 221 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: Penguins on Saturday. That's the reunion of the twenty sixteen 222 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: Stanley Cup team GMJR. Jim rutherper going to make his 223 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: first return to Pittsburgh. Sin's leaving the Penguins for those festivities. 224 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: Getting back to the trade dadline, what's weird is if 225 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: the Penguins weren't where they're at the standings, you probably 226 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: would have traded a ton of guys at the deadline 227 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: and there would have been the accompanying drama. Would have 228 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: traded Ross, Raquel, Skinner, Kulak, you would have tried to 229 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: trade Eric Carlson. But winning changes everything, and now it's 230 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: definitely about making the playoffs. The Eastern Conference and Metro 231 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: Division are right for the picking. Like I said, Rangers 232 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: trading Peneren Flyer stink haha, sorry talk. I'm not yet 233 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: sure about New Jersey, but they look like they're not 234 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: yet ready to arrive and Washington has lost six out 235 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: of seven. I feel like the Caps did good last 236 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: year because of Ov chasing Gretzky for career goals. That 237 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: adrenaline trickled down to the whole team, and now that's 238 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: just gone so it's a hockey night in Pittsburgh. Oh 239 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: and King Jamison from the Post Cazette. That's a great name. 240 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: He's from Tennessee. I would bet he was named after Jerry, 241 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: the King Lawler. He did a story in the Post 242 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: Casette about Blake Lozatte being this record setting penalty killer 243 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: visa VI Analytics peak efficiency. So a lot is definitely 244 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: going right for the Penguins. I mean, top five power play, 245 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: top five PK only team in the NHL to have 246 00:15:58,240 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: top five in both. 247 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 2: That's how you do hockey talk. 248 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: We'll do more of it just around the corner with 249 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: Jesse Marshall of the Athletic. 250 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 2: I'm Mark Man in one oh five to nine. 251 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: Peng was at home tonight against Chicago, joining me now 252 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: to discuss. He covers hockey and the Penguins for the Athletic. 253 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: Always a pleasure to talk to Jesse Marshall. Jesse, what's 254 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: your take on the line adjustments with Brian Russ suspended, 255 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: they move Brass out to the Crosby line, inserted McGroarty 256 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: on the Kindle line. 257 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 2: That's not too radical. 258 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: I might just to PLoP McGroarty on the Crosby line 259 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: and let the other three alone. 260 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, we agree on that, Mark, and I thought that 261 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 3: there was a period of time. 262 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 4: At the end of the last season where they had 263 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 4: McGroarty and Crosby together and you know, the minutes weren't 264 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 4: really like long enough to analyze them with any level 265 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 4: of seriousness in terms of the results, but they were 266 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 4: great right in the short period of time that you 267 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 4: saw it. 268 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 3: I need The question people always ask. 269 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 4: Is like, does McGroarty have the foot speed to be 270 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 4: able to keep up with Crosby? 271 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 3: But I think so, I don't think that's a problem. 272 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 3: I'm going to keep an even in transition. 273 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 4: You know this dan Use system, Mark, it's all about 274 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 4: puck support, right, So I think that's great for a 275 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 4: guy like McGroarty who doesn't have that, doesn't have the 276 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 4: best churn, Let's be honest. I think that's where he struggles, right, 277 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 4: is getting off from a dead stop in those first 278 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 4: couple of steps. Right, It's never been It's there's been 279 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 4: market improvement over the course the last couple of years. 280 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 4: But I think he can. I think I think he 281 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 4: has the pace and the tempo to play up there. 282 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 4: But you know, I don't mind him with Kendall you know, 283 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 4: look back at Kendall's career in the environment that he 284 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 4: was in in junior, and he played with a lot 285 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 4: of guys like Rutger mcgurty. So I think that's a 286 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 4: natural au natural alignment as well. And with how much 287 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 4: work that Crosby line does down low Mark, I don't 288 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 4: mind Brazil there. I think he's a welcome addition to 289 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 4: that line's goal of keeping the puck in the offensive 290 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 4: zone as long as possible. You know, he can get 291 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 4: in front, he can disrupt things, and then we've seen 292 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 4: I am eating crow Mark on the justin Brazil hands discussion. 293 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 4: I did not know that this was coming. I just 294 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 4: think that he had this depth of toolkit. So I 295 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 4: think even if you think about some of the things 296 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 4: you have to do to play a Crosby successfully, the 297 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 4: quick decisions you have to make, the operating in tight spaces, 298 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 4: he can do that. 299 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 3: I'd like to I'm excited to see what he can 300 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 3: do with this partnership. 301 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: Well, the proofs in the putting of his numbers, and 302 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: he'll certainly get chances, you'd figure playing on a line 303 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 1: with Crosby. Uh Il soliy Off makes his debut on 304 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: defense tonight, he'll be on the left side of the 305 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: third pair. Ryan Shay will move to the right side, 306 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: which he is fairly adept at doing. 307 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 2: What do you know about Solioff? 308 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 4: You know, he reminds you a little bit mark of 309 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 4: a guy that the Blackhawks got on their blue line. 310 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 4: And Connor Murphy is not somebody you're usually going to 311 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 4: talk about in the car ride on the way home, 312 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 4: but you know, gives you a good returns defensively, really 313 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,479 Speaker 4: solid defensively, and one of those guys that it's not 314 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 4: only good at keeping a gap and clearing out the 315 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 4: front of the net, he doesn't handle the puck like 316 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 4: a grenade, right, I think, you know, that's always a 317 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 4: welcome trait and defenseman, you know, and I think that 318 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 4: that are are good at those things. So yeah, unremarkable overall. 319 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 4: And you look at some of the comparisons that people 320 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 4: give you and there you know they're guys that, again 321 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 4: you know, they're not on the marquee, but they're required 322 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 4: to do a job. 323 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 3: And I think you can deploy him very comfortable. 324 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: You know. 325 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 3: The way that Dan Mues uses. 326 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 4: That third pairing marker, right is they, as most coaches do, 327 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 4: they get a lot of the easy minutes. Right, they 328 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 4: get a deployment with the Crosby or Amalkin and they're 329 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 4: going against one of the other team's worst forward pairings. 330 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 4: So when you put two and two together, right, usually 331 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 4: works out pretty well. I think that this is a 332 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 4: guy you would expect to be able to set into 333 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 4: that role and do very well and give you some 334 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 4: really good returns. 335 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that. 336 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 4: You know, again, maybe maybe nothing a jack of all 337 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 4: trade sort of defenseman, but one that you can give 338 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 4: those minutes too and feel pretty comfortable with it. 339 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: Barring a big blockbuster developing like a trade for Jason Robertson, 340 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: which we'll talk about Jesse the potential thereof in a moment. 341 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,959 Speaker 1: I don't expect the Penguins will be big buyers or 342 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,479 Speaker 1: sellers at the deadline, which is March sixth. 343 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 2: I do think, though. 344 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: If they get somebody that they give up, like a 345 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: later round pick for defenseman, I think they're I mean, 346 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: they'll find out about solely off starting tonight, but I 347 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 1: think they're one more injury away from having to play 348 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: a d that really rather not. 349 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 2: I think they'd like to circumvent that advance. 350 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, Mark and I don't think they're in the market 351 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 4: for any of the real high quality d that are 352 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 4: out there. Right, They're not gonna be taking a swing 353 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 4: on Dougie Hamilton, right, I mean, hey on it. I 354 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 4: just mentioned, you know, Connor Murphy's for the Blacks, like 355 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 4: we're gonna see him to night. He's thirty two years old, 356 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 4: but he's right handed, which is something that they need. 357 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 4: And again not flashy. You can give him big minutes, 358 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 4: but he's gonna do really well with them. And you 359 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 4: know it's again you're not expecting Eric Carlson like returns 360 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 4: from Connor Murphy, but you can very reliably deploy him 361 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,959 Speaker 4: on like a second pairing. And again he's gonna give 362 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 4: you a couple of z own entries. He's gonna give 363 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 4: you a really good return defensively. And I think maybe 364 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 4: that's it, you know, I think there's there's a lot 365 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 4: of talk about players available in their division mark and 366 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 4: the tax is too high. You know, the Chinikov things 367 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 4: paid off great, but. 368 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 3: They paid it. They had to pay a price to get. 369 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 4: Him, right that that was that cost was relative to 370 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 4: the fact that they're trading inner division. So I think 371 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 4: even in some of these names either Rangers or you know, 372 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 4: they wrote a letter, another letter to the fan base, right, 373 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 4: they love writing a letter. They're going to start jettison players. 374 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 4: I don't know that the Penguins aren't on any of those. 375 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 4: Carolina's got some casualties of their good team that they 376 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 4: have to get rid of. You know, I don't know 377 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 4: that any of those like a Ka Kaniemi, I know, 378 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 4: do you need another center? Probably not, Michigan probably costs 379 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 4: too much. So this we're learning a valuable lesson this year. 380 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 4: Mark that what happens when a general manager goes out 381 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 4: in the off season and acquires a bunch of pieces 382 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 4: that he you would think he intended to trade at 383 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 4: the deadline, and all of them play really well, Well, 384 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 4: you can't get rid of them, right, Anthony Mantas, you're 385 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 4: Dustin Brezos. The guys that you sign that you maybe 386 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 4: you said, hey, this guy heats up, maybe I could 387 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 4: flip them for a pick at the deadline or something. 388 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 2: Well, not even Skinner and Coulac Jesse. 389 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: I think the initial intent when they got them wasn't 390 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: for them to you know, play like they are and 391 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: the Penguin was to win like they are, but to 392 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: maybe flip them at the deadline. 393 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, and now you're in a position where you're very 394 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 4: reliably in a playoff spot. 395 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 3: Odds at this juncture, Mark are seventy five percent. 396 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 4: You make the playoffs despite how difficult your March schedule is. 397 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 4: That's remarkable. So to your point, you're not going to 398 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 4: trade Skinner the way he's playing right now. Gulo's becoming 399 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 4: an integral part of your defense. You know, they're betting 400 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 4: on what they have. 401 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 3: I think I think that's ultimately what you do. You 402 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 3: bet on what you have. 403 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 4: You've got parts that you could still explore right moving 404 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,719 Speaker 4: or making a hockey trade here or there. As far 405 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 4: as like for me, Mark the Jason Robertson thing right like, 406 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 4: I just can't see them doing. 407 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: That, you know, I think I can't either, But it's 408 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: something to think about, Like it's rare you get a 409 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: chance to get a twenty six year old star. I mean, 410 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 1: free agency don't even start till twenty seven, and I 411 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: would give up like a Rustlawer Raquel plus a McGroarty 412 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: plus a first and second round pick. That's how much 413 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: I think you need a guy like that. And it's 414 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: tough to get a guy like that, but I think 415 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: when push comes to shove, Jesse, Dallas just won't trade him. 416 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: They think they can win the Cup and if he 417 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 1: gets to walk be a restricted free agency, which is 418 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: very difficult to do, maybe they work something out, but 419 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: I just don't think they'll get rid of him this year. 420 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 421 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 4: And the thing that does make sense for it, Mark 422 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 4: is you don't have a steward, right, And what I 423 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 4: mean by that is like in the post Crosby Mulkin era, 424 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 4: I don't think that you've still drafted that guy, right, 425 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 4: I don't think that guy. 426 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 2: No, you have not. 427 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: You got a bunch of good second line guys you've drafted, 428 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: I think. 429 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 3: Yeah at best? 430 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 4: Right, So you know that gives you a twenty six 431 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 4: year old who can carry that porch in a transitionary period. 432 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 4: But you're right, I mean, Dallas is there in the 433 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 4: exit it here like they're not looking Rambung and that 434 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 4: package that we just mentioned, I don't know that it 435 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 4: helps Dallas get to this like any closer to what 436 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 4: they're goal. 437 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: Well, that's right, but they would want to ruster Raquel 438 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: just because you can't be just out not sellers when 439 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: you have a team. 440 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 4: Like that you're not giving them brunic and McGroarty and 441 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 4: pulling that deal off with a first round pick. Now 442 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 4: they need NHL talent that can step in and help 443 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 4: them right now now. 444 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: I think the Penguins, like I said, they don't need 445 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: a lot. We talked about maybe they need a defenceman, 446 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 1: and I still don't think this team is done growing 447 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 1: from within. For example, Chinnikov's getting a shot on the 448 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: first power play tonight and I'm very anxious to see that. Like, 449 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Dubus has pulled a bunch of moves 450 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: that might have been designed to do one thing, but 451 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: they've got them to a strong second in the metro 452 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: and everybody's playing great. 453 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, and credit to him on the Chinikov work. Right 454 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 4: like this, this is a player who's been vocally disgruntled 455 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 4: in that city for the better part of calendar year. 456 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 3: Was trying to get this deal done in July. 457 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 4: You know, I wrote that I wrote the team preview 458 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 4: for Columbus Mork going into the season for mckeans, and 459 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 4: I didn't know whether or not to put him in it. 460 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 3: That's how long this has been going on. 461 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 4: So credit to them for not only recognizing that situation 462 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 4: in an adverse effect that can have on performance. But 463 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 4: the inherent skilled that this kid has and the possibility 464 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 4: that that might blossom with a guy like I Guinea 465 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 4: Malkin and and what kind of mentorship role he could 466 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 4: provide there. And I mean it's just, you know, we 467 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 4: always talk about the human element to this game work, 468 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 4: but it looks like a weight is just lifted off 469 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 4: this kid's shoulders. They immediately fired Dean Evison and Columbus right, 470 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 4: and I think that that his handling of that situation 471 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 4: certainly was a factor in his dismissal, make no mistake 472 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 4: about that. 473 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 3: But they they've even going back to the draft mark. 474 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 4: You look at the work that Dubas did in the 475 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 4: summer for pre these free agent signings and this class, 476 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 4: I know it's early. Every single one of them looks 477 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 4: like a hit. If you'll look back and say there's 478 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 4: a gap in the draft class, no, they they are 479 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 4: players that they took are having discernibly impactful performances in 480 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 4: their respectful league. So you know, his work since sort 481 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 4: of making that post Hextall sweep where he signs Graves 482 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 4: and Jari and you know it makes this gam and 483 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 4: of moves to try to get out from contracts. You know, 484 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 4: the dust has settled from that now and some of 485 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 4: that still Hanson lingers the Penguins right, like Ryan Graves 486 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 4: for instance, although he's been better, but overall, like the 487 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 4: body of work since that takeover has really been strong, 488 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 4: especially I think inter organizationally in the hockey ops department, 489 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 4: where you've got a boon of prospects now all of 490 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 4: a sudden and all these lottery tickets where the cupboard 491 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 4: you know, as we know, is pretty bare before that. 492 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he deserves definitely consideration for Executive of 493 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 1: the Year and a bonus Jesse on top of him 494 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: making the Penguins better. Is it's really pissing everybody off 495 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: in Toronto because now they realize he ain't the problem 496 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: when he had been the scapegoat. Now you do a 497 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: lot of deep diving into what's going on with Penguins prospects, 498 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: even though Skinners played really well. More Schof's the number 499 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: one guy next year, right, I mean, do you think 500 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 1: they would keep Skinner maybe bring more Shof up? Then? 501 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: I can't picture leaving more shop in the minors for 502 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 1: another year and they still have Shilovs under contract for 503 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: another year. 504 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think in that sense, Mark, do you 505 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 4: try to make a trade for for she Lov's for 506 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 4: a team that needs goalie, another team out there that's 507 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 4: looking for help right now? 508 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: I would do that at this year's deadline if I could, 509 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: I would. I would bring up the better shootout goalie 510 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: just in case. 511 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 4: And is there a better mentor to have for Sergey 512 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,479 Speaker 4: Marshov than the guy who's been back to back Stanley 513 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 4: Cup finals and has got a decent blood of games. 514 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: Well, never mind that you got all the you got 515 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: the Russian fan club now in the in the locker room. 516 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: And I never thought that should mean a lot, but 517 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: it obviously does. 518 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, not one hundred percent. And Mark, we've seen it 519 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 4: now enough times in Pittsburgh to know that it does 520 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 4: if you go back, no question, the Malkin Gaunchar relationship, 521 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,239 Speaker 4: now that Malkin Chinikov relationship. 522 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 2: Even the checks, even Yo's and here Dina. 523 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. I think that he's ready. 524 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 4: I I don't, you know, the Penguins have really stabilized. 525 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 3: They're not as volatile as they were. 526 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 4: Uh, you know when when Joel you know, or when 527 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 4: yol Blombquist was here and fighting for his life every 528 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 4: single night. 529 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 3: Uh, you know that. 530 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 4: That that that sort of laissez faire approach to defense 531 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 4: that you saw in the Twilight of the Sullivan era 532 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 4: is over and I think, you know, I just I 533 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 4: don't know that there's anything left for him to learn. 534 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 4: You know, I think rebound control Mark is never going 535 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 4: to be his strong suit. And that's something that you 536 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 4: can live with, in my opinion, because he's so athletic 537 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 4: that oftentimes when he puts himself in bad situations from 538 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 4: a rebound perspective, he's athletic enough to dig his way out. 539 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: He's very Florriesque in that regard and period. Now we 540 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: talked about McGroarty coming back. Do they still see him 541 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: as an NHL or right now or is he a 542 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: feeling when somebody gets hurt given the way the season's gone. 543 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: And how do they feel about Cloyvenon. Do they just 544 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: think he's a bust? I hope not, because I think 545 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: somewhere inside of him is a guy who can play 546 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: trying to get out. 547 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I so so. First of all, 548 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 3: credit to this this whole front office. 549 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 4: Mark, I think on their their clarity that they provide 550 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 4: to prospects when they go down and they have generated 551 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 4: They've worked really hard to generate and protect a good 552 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 4: culture in both Wheeling and Wilke Spear. You know, I 553 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 4: think you've seen them try to protect that this week 554 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 4: when mister McDonald was down there and the head coaches 555 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 4: podium kind of putting the onus on Matt Dumba to 556 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 4: start respecting the league and step his game up a 557 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 4: little bit. 558 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 3: But they've really tried hard to create this. 559 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 4: You you matter where you're at, and there's a path 560 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 4: for you to move forward, right And I think it's 561 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 4: a huge deal. Right Like Wheeling now is an important 562 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 4: entity in this organization. It's not a byproduct of Wolf spirits. 563 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 4: It's you're in Wheeling, you have a path to move up. 564 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 4: I I what frustrates me about Majority is that injury 565 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 4: and that that it kept him out at a critical 566 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 4: point I think in this year, and if he had 567 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 4: so much momentum at the end of last season where 568 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 4: it really seemed like he'd solved a lot of those 569 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 4: skating problems, he was generating points. You know, there was 570 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 4: a lot of flurry of activity around him and then 571 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 4: this year now he's behind the eight ball, trying to 572 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 4: play catch up if he's behind where everyone else is 573 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,239 Speaker 4: in their conditioning. So I don't think they've given up 574 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 4: on him. I don't know that they view him as 575 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 4: an NHL R right now though, right Like, I think 576 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 4: that time off really kind of put him back into 577 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 4: that quad a status for right now with Villy coven In, 578 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 4: I they're watching two discernibly different players. When you watch 579 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 4: him in the American Hockey League, you were watching this confident, savvy, 580 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 4: innovative mark player who tries weird things with the puck 581 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 4: and is making passes between his legs, and he watched 582 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 4: them with the NHL, and you just don't see any 583 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 4: of that, right And I think there was times this 584 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 4: year where he got a little alligator army where going 585 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 4: into the boards like not really wanting to get hit, 586 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 4: and he operated a lot of time like he didn't 587 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 4: have time and space when he did, right, So I 588 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 4: think just more time. Think this is more time, more 589 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,479 Speaker 4: NHL games. I don't think they've given up on them. 590 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 4: I think this is a franchise that cares a lot 591 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 4: about video analysis. 592 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 3: They're spending a lot of time with them. There so 593 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 3: more patience. I agree with you. 594 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 4: There's a player in there, and I think that it's 595 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 4: how do we bring that confidence out at the biggest 596 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 4: league in the world. 597 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: Jesse, great stuff. Appreciate your expertise. We'll talk again real soon. 598 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 2: I hope. 599 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 3: All right, Thanks, Mark, appreciate you. 600 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: That's Jesse, Marshall and the Athletic this hour, don't forget. 601 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: Brought to us by Shndorovich, Shendroovic and Fishman up next 602 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: for the Trifecta. Even though Tom's been five, We're gonna 603 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: keep the tradition alive. The top three Stealer mysteries after 604 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: the coaching changeover one nine X. 605 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 2: It's double im on the X. 606 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: Tom fired, Maybe back tomorrow Monday, who knows. 607 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 2: We'll play that by year. 608 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: But even without Tom, the Trifecta goes on, sponsored by 609 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: Danny's PiZZ and Hogies. 610 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 2: Today it's the. 611 00:31:55,520 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: Top three mysteries Steeler's coaching changeover mysteries that still remain. 612 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 2: Number three. 613 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: Why was there zero interest in Kevin Stefanski ex of 614 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: the Brons now hired by Atlanta. 615 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 2: I'm going to beat that drum forever. 616 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: Because Stefanski was the number one choice period and obviously 617 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: so not from Greenfield, I know, but still forty three 618 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: years old, offensive minded, but also had the number one 619 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: defense in Cleveland, knows the AFC North Stefanski should have 620 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: been the guy period. Number two, why is Mike Tomlin? 621 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: You remember him? He's the prior coach. Why has Tomlin 622 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: totally disappeared? No farewell to the fans, no interviews, not 623 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: even with Glazer and or rich Eisen his cronies. And 624 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: no job speculation, not in coaching or in the media. 625 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: Nobody talking about or wondering what Mike Tomlin is going 626 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: to do next. That strikes me as incredibly odd. And 627 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: Number one, why did Chris Shula and Nathan Selhouse drop 628 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: off the radar in the Steelers coaching search. Sula was 629 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: the betting favorite in Vegas right up until McCarthy got 630 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: announced as the guy who got it. Selhouse reportedly had 631 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: a great virtual interview and then they didn't even get 632 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: an in person interview. Only three people got in person interviews, 633 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: Brian Flores and Anthony Weaver to satisfy the Rooney Rule requirements, 634 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: and then, of course McCarthy, who got the job. 635 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 2: What the frig happened with Shula? And Sheelhouse. 636 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,239 Speaker 1: And the answer, of course very likely is that the 637 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: minute Tom would quit, Rooney knew right then and there 638 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: that it was going to be Mike McCarthy of Greenfield. 639 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: Like I said, the trifecta Broughts was by Danny's Pitron 640 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: Hogies he owned and operated since nineteen sixty. That's Danny's 641 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: en Route eighty eight in Bethel Park. Uh, we have 642 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,399 Speaker 1: Josh Showy next hour in the five o'clock hour. It's 643 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: odd we have mister Friday afternoon on even though it's 644 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,240 Speaker 1: not Friday and there's no games to predict this week. 645 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: It should be not that he went three and ten 646 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: picking games last week. He is now exactly sixty six 647 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: and sixty six on the season. So the Super Bowl 648 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: will decide whether or not he isn't winning record. And no, 649 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 1: Mary Lemieux will not be sponsoring. 650 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 2: Do I like to get your calls in now? 651 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 1: Dial eight three, three four one two w XDX, either 652 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: for the next segment or for calls on the fifteenth. 653 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: I'd love some hockey calls if you're just tuning in. 654 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: It's going to be a shill offs in goal tonight 655 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: with Russ suspended. McGroarty is going to play with Kendall 656 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: and Mantha on that line, and Brazo jumps up with 657 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: Crosby and Raquel, the Russian defenseman they got in the 658 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: trade with Colorado. Sully Off will play tonight third pair 659 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: on the left side, with Shae flipping to the right 660 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: side Jackson and Ivan. He of course had surgery on 661 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: his hand, and Connor Clifton going to be a scratch. 662 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 2: I guess. 663 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: With Russ dot Carlomoff, I mean Chinakoff, honest mistake there. 664 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: Chinakoff will be on the first Power Plan. I am 665 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: looking forward to see what his shot can do on 666 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: that PP, especially how often he likes to take it. 667 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: And I know the power plays top five in the 668 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: league just like the PK, but still nice to have options. 669 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 2: And Chinakoff can shoot. 670 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: The puck, and like I said, Will, I don't know 671 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: what I like about him more that he can't shoot 672 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 1: the pucker that he does all the time. I think 673 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: the two probably go hand in hand. By the way, 674 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: Patrick Kaine now with Detroit, spend all those just with Chicago. 675 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,879 Speaker 1: He needs one point to become the all time top 676 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: USA born scorer, and good for him, but the guy's 677 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 1: passing Mike Madonna. 678 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 2: I saw Madonna play. 679 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: I just don't see Kane in the same class as Madonna, 680 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,879 Speaker 1: or for that matter, nearly in the same class as 681 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: Brett Hull. 682 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,320 Speaker 2: Who's a little bit below Madonna. 683 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: And and Brett was born in Canada, you might say, 684 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: but he is an American citizen because his mother was American. 685 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: I mean, good for Patty Kane, but I mean Patty 686 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: Kane with that Chicago dynasty. Was he their primary catalyst? 687 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: Or was it Duncan Keith or was it Jonathan Taves? 688 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,760 Speaker 1: Then again, I think Tavee is the most overrated player 689 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: in hockey history. Any hoodles, get your calls in eight 690 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: three three four one two wxdx, or use the top 691 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: secret probation number of four one two three three three wxdx. 692 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 2: If you dial that number, we'll get your calls on first. 693 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: In just a moment, We're gonna keep talking about the 694 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 1: Belichick controversy, and I'm gonna tell you the one thing 695 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,959 Speaker 1: that will reignite the Belichie controversy, indeed push it over 696 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: the top when the time comes, not least here in 697 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh one oh five ninety x