WEBVTT - Scott Sloan with Jason Phillabaum -- 10/28/25

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<v Speaker 3>So the news breaking not long ago that the City

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<v Speaker 3>of Cincinnati is paying a local law firm, Frost Brown

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<v Speaker 3>Todd forty k to investigate police Terry Thigi's performance after

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<v Speaker 3>they fired her. Normally, you investigate the performance. Go okay,

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<v Speaker 3>they got to go. This is completely backwards, and they

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<v Speaker 3>expect the law firm to be finished by the end

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<v Speaker 3>of the year. So it's going to cost us forty

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<v Speaker 3>grand and the city is still shelling out the full

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<v Speaker 3>salary and benefits to Terry Thiji of in excess of

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<v Speaker 3>two hundred thousand dollars. Because of this nonsense, she hired

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<v Speaker 3>her own employment lawyer, Stephen m and he has no

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<v Speaker 3>intention of allowing her to resign because she said there's

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<v Speaker 3>nothing negative thirty five years on the job to the

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<v Speaker 3>date when she was moved. Thirty five years, nothing significant,

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<v Speaker 3>nothing minor. In her jacket, pretty exemplary thirty five year

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<v Speaker 3>law career that she's had, so why now. And also

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<v Speaker 3>there's some developing news overnight regarding the scope of the

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<v Speaker 3>investigation what the law firm is going to look for.

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<v Speaker 2>Specifically.

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<v Speaker 3>Joining the show is attorney Jason Philibaum, who's been around

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<v Speaker 3>the block a few times. Jason, welcome, how are you.

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning? Thank you doing well?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this whole thing right away, it just just screams

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<v Speaker 3>like wrongful dismissal in a sense, because before we get

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<v Speaker 3>into the intricacies of at Jason phillibm I look at

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<v Speaker 3>this and go, Okay, I've been on the job for

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<v Speaker 3>thirty five years, and on my thirty fifth anniversary, I

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<v Speaker 3>get noticed that I'm now on paid administratively, if I'm

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<v Speaker 3>in Denver, Colorado, I get summoned back from this conference

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<v Speaker 3>to Cincinnati because I'm probably gonna get fired. And she

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't technically fired. She's on paid leave, and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>because of something happened. I mean the Fountain Square issue.

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<v Speaker 3>It happened days a couple of days after she left

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<v Speaker 3>for Denver, so nothing new was going on here. And

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<v Speaker 3>then furthermore, they come in and go, Okay, we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to put you on leave. We're going to name an

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<v Speaker 3>interim chief. By the way, not a temporary position, but

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<v Speaker 3>interim generally means between the past into the future. If

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<v Speaker 3>it was someone let's say that God forbid she were sick,

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<v Speaker 3>there would be someone temporarily there, right, So that would

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<v Speaker 3>be someone who is not an interim chief. There'd be

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<v Speaker 3>another adjunctive for that, it'd be acting chief. And so

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<v Speaker 3>they even chose the words incorrectly here. If you're not fired,

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<v Speaker 3>she's not fired, then why I have an interim chief?

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<v Speaker 3>Does that not help the legal case against the city

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<v Speaker 3>from Terry Thiji, Yeah, I think so.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this looks like a witch hut. It reminds

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<v Speaker 1>me of this guy that had one hundred arrows in

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<v Speaker 1>the side of his barn and he would ask how

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<v Speaker 1>he did it, and he said, it was easy. I

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<v Speaker 1>shoot an arrow into the side of the barn, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I go ahead and paint the bull's eye around it.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what I think you have here is

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<v Speaker 1>you have a situation where you know they want her gone.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's clear. And instead of just terminating her

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<v Speaker 1>and worrying about whether they have to pay out a

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<v Speaker 1>contract or not, they then hire a law firm, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>approximately one hundred to one hundred and twenty hours of

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<v Speaker 1>work to essentially investigate her. And you know, I can

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<v Speaker 1>tell you, you know, being around the block. As you say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you start investigating someone that has thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five years of experience, you know, you may not find

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<v Speaker 1>something illegal. But I'm pretty sure you're going to find

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<v Speaker 1>some policy that's been broken that everybody breaks, and then

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to be their linch pin. But it sounds

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<v Speaker 1>to me like there's some issues in Cincinnati and they're

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<v Speaker 1>using her as escapegoat.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's not easy to dismissible gig.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we investigated and we found this in your jacket,

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<v Speaker 3>which should be you know, essentially it's already something that's

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<v Speaker 3>known but didn't rise the level of termination. As matter

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<v Speaker 3>of fact, the argument from Steve and m would be, well,

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<v Speaker 3>not only did you know this because it's part of

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<v Speaker 3>you also promoted her in rank to the chief of police,

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<v Speaker 3>so you're complicit in this whole thing. You're fining her

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<v Speaker 3>for something you had no problem that she did at

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<v Speaker 3>the time.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't that's you do that. I mean that that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to cost the money, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's the that's the process I think they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're going down here that I'm not sure is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be wise what they're trying to do. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they want or gone. Like you said, they even use

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<v Speaker 1>the word interim, so she's gone, she's not going to resign,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they're going to want a terminator. Now in Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>we're in at will state, so you can terminate someone

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<v Speaker 1>as long as it's not based on some you know,

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<v Speaker 1>illegal reason, race, gender, national origin, et cetera. But she

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<v Speaker 1>is probably under a contract. So if that's the case,

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<v Speaker 1>then they can only terminate her from that contract for

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<v Speaker 1>just cause there's got to be a good reason why.

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<v Speaker 1>And it could be policy, you know, some type of

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<v Speaker 1>policy being broken. Obviously, it could be something illegal, or

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<v Speaker 1>it could just be mismanagement of the you know, the city.

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<v Speaker 1>So those are things that they're going to be looking for.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, the the issue with that too is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we do know that crime is up, and

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<v Speaker 1>we know that violent crime is up. But her Herney

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<v Speaker 1>said the other day that she's offered to sit down

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<v Speaker 1>with the mayor and the judges to talk about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>these these bonds that are being given because that could

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<v Speaker 1>be one situation that why crime is up is essentially

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<v Speaker 1>if someone gets arrested for a violent crime and is

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<v Speaker 1>back out on the street, you know, a few days later,

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<v Speaker 1>you know crime is not going to go away, and

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<v Speaker 1>and it looks like, you know, an election year, you're

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<v Speaker 1>now having a situation where the that's let's get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of the police chief, and that's why there's all these

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<v Speaker 1>problems going on in Cincinnati instead of may be you know, leadership.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think you have to be a political analysis

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<v Speaker 3>supple political mind like a like a Willie Conningham, James

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<v Speaker 3>Carvill or something that right where they for the regular voter,

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<v Speaker 3>for the rank and file or the typical constituent, they

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<v Speaker 3>see this, they see right through it. I think every

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<v Speaker 3>man and woman who doesn't have a jurisd doctorate is

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<v Speaker 3>not educated in law like like you are. Jason Phillibaum.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I look at him and go, they're doing

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<v Speaker 3>a dirty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think that's what a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>are thinking. Now. You know, play Devil's Advocate for a second.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, crime is up. We talked about that. Is

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<v Speaker 1>there something she should have been doing that she's not?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, is she not, you know, putting the police

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<v Speaker 1>in the right position, or her subordinates telling her that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you should you should put police here, you

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<v Speaker 1>should maybe do some kind of burst here, and then

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<v Speaker 1>she just decides she's not doing that, and as a result,

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<v Speaker 1>you have this issue on Fountain Square, you have these

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<v Speaker 1>other issues. Now that might be a legitimate thing. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe that's something we don't know. Again just playing

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<v Speaker 1>Devil's advocate, But even if you look at what her

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<v Speaker 1>attorney said, is the FOP I think is backing her.

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<v Speaker 1>So I would think that if her subordinates were telling

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<v Speaker 1>her to do things and she was just flat out

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<v Speaker 1>ignoring them, I'm not sure that they would have that

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<v Speaker 1>backing that she has now.

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<v Speaker 3>He is attorney Jason Phillibaum, the very latest involving Terry

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<v Speaker 3>Terry Thigi. Now we're hiring a law from a local

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<v Speaker 3>law from Frost Brown Time, pretty good firm that they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to do some deep diving and try and find

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<v Speaker 3>out the reasons why they fired her before. Yeah, as

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<v Speaker 3>you said, you know, this is shoot first, asked questions later.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess the Inquirer came out with this this morning.

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<v Speaker 3>The scope of the investigation This is what the lawyers,

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<v Speaker 3>the team for the city outside council is going to investigate.

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<v Speaker 3>And now are there are four prongs to this thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Is she an effective leader and manager of the department,

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<v Speaker 3>including personnel and resources? Is she a leader within the

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<v Speaker 3>context of city government, meaning does she further the broader

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<v Speaker 3>goals and objectives of the administration. Has she committed any

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<v Speaker 3>infraction or positive evolution while serving as police chief? And

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<v Speaker 3>did she disregard best practices in the running a CPD

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<v Speaker 3>to the detriment of detriment of public safety and crime prevention. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>let's start with the first one. Is she an effective

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<v Speaker 3>leader and manager of the department including personnel and resources.

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<v Speaker 3>That seems like an open ended question, like if there

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<v Speaker 3>were problems with her management personnel that the previous chief

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<v Speaker 3>notoriously had issues with that when I guess before Craig

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<v Speaker 3>notoriosly I had problems with that too and it was

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<v Speaker 3>public so but believing or heard of that at chiuth Tiji,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the rank and file were really split on it,

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<v Speaker 3>really didn't care for her all that much. But once

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<v Speaker 3>they did what they did to her, they realized they

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<v Speaker 3>could come next. And now everyone, even her detractors are supporters,

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<v Speaker 3>so they rallied them. So to look at this and say,

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<v Speaker 3>is she an effective leader or manager? You can say

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<v Speaker 3>that of any boss, can't you?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? Exactly? And I call that fuzzy math. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the law school exam where it depends on who's

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<v Speaker 1>paying me. That's the answer I give you. Know you're

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<v Speaker 1>paying me on this one side, I tell you why

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<v Speaker 1>she's an effective leader. If you're paying me on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side, I'll give you all the reasons why she's not.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's again, I don't think that's what this

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<v Speaker 1>is going to fall down on, because again, like you

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<v Speaker 1>said that, it's so vague, it's so fuzzy that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if they want to decide that she's not a good leader,

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna they're going to find reasons to justify that,

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<v Speaker 1>just like if you want to find that she's a

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<v Speaker 1>good leader, you'd find the reason. And so you know

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<v Speaker 1>the first two that you mentioned, those prongs that those

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<v Speaker 1>both are very fuzzy math, fuzzy sort of law school

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<v Speaker 1>exams where anyone can answer anything. I think the crux

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be number three, which is is there

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<v Speaker 1>an infraction? You know, is there something that she did

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<v Speaker 1>that she not follow a policy. I don't think there's

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<v Speaker 1>any allegation of criminal wrongdoing, So it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>something something you know, so minor that and that's where

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<v Speaker 1>she's going to then get into court and say, look,

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<v Speaker 1>other people have done, you know, other people forgot to

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<v Speaker 1>call in on day that they were taking off and

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<v Speaker 1>they were allowed to stay. But I'm getting fired things

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<v Speaker 1>like that. And then of course number four, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's I think the one that's a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more serious. You know, there's a problem in Cincinnati with crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Whose fault is it? Is it the mayor's is it

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<v Speaker 1>the judges? Is it the police chief? You know? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it society? I mean, what's the problem? And I think

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<v Speaker 1>it'd be interesting to see if there's something that she

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<v Speaker 1>should be doing or something like you said, best practices

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<v Speaker 1>that she didn't do. That would be the one that

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<v Speaker 1>would you know, sell me yes or no, as opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to the other three prongs that you know, they can

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<v Speaker 1>find out of anybody. Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Jason Philibel, Attorney at law, relative to the four pillars

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<v Speaker 3>of this investigation by outside Council for the City of

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<v Speaker 3>Cincinnati to towards Terry Thiji. You mentioned number three as

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<v Speaker 3>she's committed any infraction policy violation while serving as a

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<v Speaker 3>police chief. If she had, and it rose to the

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<v Speaker 3>level of an impeachable offense, wouldn't we have heard that?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, typically, you know, when someone commits a crime.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's look at what happened with the NBA recently. What

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<v Speaker 3>happened was Cashptel. The FBI held a press conff. They

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<v Speaker 3>had the evidence, they made the charge that Okay, here's

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<v Speaker 3>we're coming at these individuals. We're going after Chauncey Belips,

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<v Speaker 3>are going after other individuals because this is the evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>We have in this case.

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<v Speaker 3>They're going, well, it'd be like them going, yeah, well

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<v Speaker 3>we're suspending Chauncey Bellops and now we're going to do

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<v Speaker 3>an investigation to find out what he did wrong. That's

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<v Speaker 3>the problem with this is that if you in any

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<v Speaker 3>other case, with due process, and I think it applies

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<v Speaker 3>here to a degree, then if you committed an infraction,

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<v Speaker 3>you make those charges allegations, you suspend them all, you

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<v Speaker 3>investigate the scope and the depth, and then eventually you

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<v Speaker 3>terminate that person because now you've gathered the evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>This is completely the opposite.

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<v Speaker 1>Of that right. And that's why I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people look at this and say that's not fair.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you don't arrest somebody and say, go find

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<v Speaker 1>me a crime. The crimes committed, then you arrest them,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you either investigate further or prove or disprove

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<v Speaker 1>that it happened. What's not fair is to essentially take

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<v Speaker 1>someone out of a position and look for something that

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<v Speaker 1>they did wrong. And you know, I would think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if they did something wrong, you wouldn't have the city

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<v Speaker 1>manager talking about what a great thirty five years and

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<v Speaker 1>what a great person this is and we wish you

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<v Speaker 1>the best. I think I think that was the statement

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<v Speaker 1>when they put her on leave, is you know, what

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<v Speaker 1>a great stellar career. If there's truly an infraction worthy

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<v Speaker 1>of dismissal, that's not the statement you put out there.

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<v Speaker 1>So that tells me they probably don't know if there's one,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're now looking for one so they can hang

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<v Speaker 1>their hat on it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, our tires at nineteen ninety eight, we're touching a

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<v Speaker 3>handicapped spot. Accidentally, she didn't close the cover before striking.

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<v Speaker 3>When she was trying to light a candle. Some matches

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<v Speaker 3>and she tore the mattress tag off of her ceiling.

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<v Speaker 3>Those don't rise to levels the reason you get fired

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<v Speaker 3>because everyone does that.

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<v Speaker 1>Right exactly exactly, and that's what they're that's what they're

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<v Speaker 1>looking for now again so they can find it for cause.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I think again the legitimate, legitimate investigation would be

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<v Speaker 1>number four. But again that's not something that I would

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<v Speaker 1>do post termination or in this case just suspension. Is

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<v Speaker 1>what is she doing wrong? Why is the city? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe maybe that's a good investigation, you know, find

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<v Speaker 1>tell me why Cincinnati crime is going up? And see

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<v Speaker 1>if we but to sit there and take the police

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<v Speaker 1>chief out and then do that investigation. That seems again

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<v Speaker 1>putting a little bit of the cart before the horse.

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<v Speaker 3>Well it seems like, you know, they're turning under a stone,

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<v Speaker 3>the stone over. But when they kicked the stone, a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of things are going to run. I wonder how

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<v Speaker 3>much of those those bugs come back to bite after

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<v Speaker 3>a pureval Because two and four of this four pillar

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<v Speaker 3>investigation by Brown Frost Todd is she too? Is is

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<v Speaker 3>she a leader within the context of city government, meaning

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<v Speaker 3>furthering the broader goals and objects of the city administration.

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<v Speaker 3>Number four is did she regard best practices in the

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<v Speaker 3>running of CPD. I don't know if that's just best

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<v Speaker 3>practices by police standards and no pot of standards or

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<v Speaker 3>best practices is set forth by number two the administration.

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<v Speaker 3>Because that's the sticky part is when she interviewed for

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<v Speaker 3>this job three years ago, Jason Philamama was looking at

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<v Speaker 3>some of the interviews she did. She said her biggest

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<v Speaker 3>priority was to continued diversity, equity and inclusion within the

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<v Speaker 3>Cincinnati Police Department, how to lift people up. And she

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<v Speaker 3>also had to get the blessing and interview essentially with

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<v Speaker 3>Iris Rawley, who we've seen in recent time investigated and

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<v Speaker 3>get herself involved between a suspect a subject who was

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<v Speaker 3>being arrested for violating probation and was essentially interfering with

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<v Speaker 3>the business of a police officer. She had an interview

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<v Speaker 3>with her to get this job in the first place.

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<v Speaker 3>So when I hear that and then see what's happened

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<v Speaker 3>with owner cognisance people cutting their ankle monitor off and

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<v Speaker 3>there's no repercussion from the court for that essentially doing

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<v Speaker 3>what they say they weren't going to do. Literally within

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<v Speaker 3>minutes of leaving, the people who have been jammed up

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<v Speaker 3>and all this high profile violence saved. Maybe the brawl,

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<v Speaker 3>there's other factors in there, and now that was handled

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<v Speaker 3>as a nightmare. That wasn't on the chief, but everything

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<v Speaker 3>else was. Like people who had violent prior criminal offenses

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<v Speaker 3>that were precluded from having a gun because they're under

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<v Speaker 3>disability by law. It's not her to set those policies.

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<v Speaker 3>That's on the mayor. So they're doing this investigation. I

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<v Speaker 3>wonder how much of this is going to come back

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<v Speaker 3>and implicate after that peer volunteer.

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<v Speaker 1>Long, Yeah, I agree, And if you look at I

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<v Speaker 1>think the mayor put out a statement. He put out

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<v Speaker 1>a statement that he had nothing to do with his firing. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>I find that to be maybe a little disingenuous, because

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<v Speaker 1>why in the world with a city manager three weeks

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<v Speaker 1>before an election terminate your female police jeep without talking

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<v Speaker 1>to the mayor. That would be a very dumb move.

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<v Speaker 1>So I would think that there was a discussion ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of time. But like you said, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>factors to consider. You know, is she pushing DEI and

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<v Speaker 1>that's why there's not enough police on the street. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>that's a legitimate decision to you know, talk about whether

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<v Speaker 1>that's the appropriate way to handle policing. You know, but

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<v Speaker 1>recently the city also engaged in a federal settlement where

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<v Speaker 1>they are changing the way they're policing. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 1>that could be a very real reason for why things

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<v Speaker 1>are going up, you know, having bonds, Like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>someone that commits a violent crime and has let out

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<v Speaker 1>the next day that that's the that's not the police

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<v Speaker 1>an issue. That's not on her exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>I could see when she's falsifying reports and people aren't

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<v Speaker 3>showing up, and she's backdating payroll. I mean, those are

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<v Speaker 3>the things you're definitely going to get you and you

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<v Speaker 3>should get you fired. But essentially the vision by this

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<v Speaker 3>administration is criminals are victims too, has led us to

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<v Speaker 3>this point. That's not on Terry Thiji. That's on the

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<v Speaker 3>people who hire Terry Thiji.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. As I said at the beginning of this talk,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds to me like a skapegoat. It sounds to

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<v Speaker 1>me like, you know, we're two weeks out from an

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<v Speaker 1>election and I've got to tell the people that there's

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<v Speaker 1>a problem, and I fixed the problem. And now by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, that's hired these really good attorneys to go

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<v Speaker 1>in there and find out what the problem was, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I can match it up and say, hey did

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<v Speaker 1>a good job, which of course won't come out until

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<v Speaker 1>after the election anyway, It's going to take two three

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<v Speaker 1>months to do a thorough investigation whether it's legitimate or

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's brought up after the facts, So I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think we're going to know anything. You'll probably januinely after

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<v Speaker 1>the election.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, that's what this is about, buying some time

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<v Speaker 3>for the election, but it really doesn't because it makes

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<v Speaker 3>them looking competent and stupid, and not the first time either.

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<v Speaker 3>I would also add this finally, Jason Philibauma attorney at law,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're representing, if you're on team Fiji, are your

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<v Speaker 3>eyes now glazing over with the millions and million dollars

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<v Speaker 3>should possibly be getting it because quite honestly, the way

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<v Speaker 3>this whole thing was executed, it's seemingly, in addition to

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<v Speaker 3>the two hundred K she's making, could wind up getting

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<v Speaker 3>a help of payout to sign a non disclosure agreement

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<v Speaker 3>because if she doesn't sign an NDA, theyn't force an NDAU,

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<v Speaker 3>then then she can roll over on this administration and

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<v Speaker 3>really let the go seut and they don't want that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, her attorney's firm is well known for suing

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<v Speaker 1>cities and municipalities and going after them, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's an a lot of expensive lawsuits and if they

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<v Speaker 1>if they end up getting, you know, something that they

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<v Speaker 1>can hang their hat on, then you've got attorney fees

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<v Speaker 1>in play. And that's a pretty penny that the Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 1>have to pay out. So yeah, there's there's My guess

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<v Speaker 1>is there's going to be a settlement some way through

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<v Speaker 1>the process, because otherwise it's going to be expensive for somebody.

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<v Speaker 3>If the finny law firm or like the Bengals defense,

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<v Speaker 3>we wouldn't be having conversations about not making the playoffs

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<v Speaker 3>and firing coaches, if you know what I mean, because

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<v Speaker 3>they are tenacious. If anything, he is attorney Jason Phillibaum

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<v Speaker 3>a private practice of course, attorney himself, just kind of

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<v Speaker 3>a different view, a different set of eyes on this

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<v Speaker 3>issue right now because it doesn't pass my sniff test,

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<v Speaker 3>and it certainly doesn't pass Jason's either. Jason all the best, buddy,

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<v Speaker 3>thanks for jumping on this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it. Thank you Over at.

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<v Speaker 3>Jonas and Philibaum, Thanks again, quick time out, we'll get

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<v Speaker 3>a news update and the controversy that they wish we're

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<v Speaker 3>kind of I hate when, like, we've got enough controversy

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<v Speaker 3>in the world. What is controversial about what's happening at

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<v Speaker 3>the White House relative to the East Wing? Because it

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<v Speaker 3>feels like people are pushing this narrative like we should

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<v Speaker 3>be all worked up into a froth about this, and

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<v Speaker 3>I just maybe it's just me. I don't see it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'll tell you why next seven hundred WLW