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Speaker 1: Tony Pikes Sincy three sixty about Cincinnati. From Cincinnati, this

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Speaker 1: is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Hello, welcome in our number two of Tony Pikes

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Speaker 2: since E three sixty here on ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm

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Speaker 2: Austin Elmore, the big Fella Big Tone back tomorrow. He

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Speaker 2: will be solo tomorrow in this discombobulated week here on

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty. And when things are discombobulated, you need

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Speaker 2: a steady hand. You need somebody who shows up he's

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Speaker 2: ready to play all one sixty two or in this case,

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Speaker 2: all fifty two weeks of the year. And that is

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Speaker 2: our friend joe Daniman, who joins us now from Fox nineteen.

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Speaker 3: Joey D. How you doing.

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Speaker 4: I'm excellent, Austin, And you can see it because I'm

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Speaker 4: on the video feed, and I'm sure you'll clip this

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Speaker 4: off later for anybody who's listening on the radio to

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Speaker 4: see in the video feed that I am wearing a

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Speaker 4: Fox nineteen shirt. Yes, hey, there's a reason I'm wearing this.

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Speaker 4: So I was em seeing an event on Saturday night

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Speaker 4: at Saint Rita's. What a wonderful event it was, What

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Speaker 4: a wonderful cause raised a lot of money for a

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Speaker 4: great cause. That night, I had three people come up

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Speaker 4: to me and stop me and say, hey man, I

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Speaker 4: love your work. And I was so proud. I was

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Speaker 4: so excited that people would come up and say, hey man,

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Speaker 4: I love your work. And each of those folks were

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Speaker 4: referring to my weekly segment on sincey three sixty. I said,

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Speaker 4: you know, I do work in television sometimes. And then

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Speaker 4: last night at the ballpark, right before I ran it

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Speaker 4: to Tony and his beautiful bride, a nice gentleman came

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Speaker 4: up and said, I love your work with Austin and

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Speaker 4: Tony every single week. So I said, now listen tomorrow

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Speaker 4: when I go on the show. I'm wearing a Fox

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Speaker 4: nineteen shirt to remind everybody that I still do work

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Speaker 4: in TV. Sometimes you do have a day just on

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Speaker 4: the radio. But yeat, sir, Yes.

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Speaker 2: And I was just telling you off the air, I've

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Speaker 2: gotten a lot of yeat lately, and you guys are

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Speaker 2: infiltrating my brain to the point where I'm starting to

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Speaker 2: say it like just walking through the house, Like there's

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Speaker 2: a few things I'll say when I'm like walking through

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Speaker 2: my apartment. One of them for years was the first

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Speaker 2: baseman Joey. I just said that constantly doing some form

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Speaker 2: of jose Air Hewson and now it's yeat.

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Speaker 4: Okay. So one of my hidden talents is I do

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Speaker 4: a great Joe's are Hugh Really, I don't know. It's

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Speaker 4: because we're both Cubcat guys, or because I can somehow

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Speaker 4: drop my voice and to Josier Houston's voice the first

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Speaker 4: base man, Joey Botto.

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Speaker 2: Is this your confession that you're the talk back joseir Heuson?

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Speaker 4: No, I don't have to talk back something else that

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Speaker 4: only you And yeah.

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Speaker 3: We'll keep that secret. That's fine.

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Speaker 4: It's been a minute for that one too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we need you to return, all right, the Reds

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Speaker 3: are back.

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Speaker 2: What what what was your big takeaway from the weekend

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Speaker 2: obviously yesterday?

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Speaker 3: Like, have we learned anything about this team over the

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Speaker 3: first four games?

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Speaker 4: Well, four games, Austin, that's a data point, right, I

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Speaker 4: mean we're talking one point sixty two. We all know that,

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Speaker 4: but four games is a data point for us to

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Speaker 4: look at with this team. And I think my biggest

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Speaker 4: takeaway is I'm not surprised by anything that I think

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Speaker 4: if you would rewind the tape to a couple of

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Speaker 4: days before opening day, we would say what we're excited about,

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Speaker 4: we would say what we're concerned about. And I think

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Speaker 4: everything is kind of slotted in exactly to where we

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Speaker 4: thought this would be. That we should be excited about

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Speaker 4: a starting rotation that was seven people deep, that could

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Speaker 4: half of a season, perhaps without Hunter Green, that these

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Speaker 4: team with a combined two point two five ERA through

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Speaker 4: four games. Now, I'm curious to see what Brandon Williamson

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Speaker 4: looks like tonight. They are testing the absolute max of

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Speaker 4: think we're still there. I think there are guys who

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Speaker 4: Your friend and favorite Graham Ashcraft formed well last night,

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Speaker 4: like Connor Phillips and what he's given them right now, Look,

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Speaker 4: there are some concerns about right Tony Santion's vlo right now,

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Speaker 4: But another part of this was, Okay, we thought this

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Speaker 4: and I think we're there. And then an offense that

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Speaker 4: I think that's going to be the case throughout the year.

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Speaker 4: If you look at the Red stats right now, they're

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Speaker 4: hitting below two hundred as a team, they're bottom five

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Speaker 4: they're not hitting the ball one through nine. But we

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Speaker 4: had concerns about the bottom three in the reds order,

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Speaker 4: and those concerns are confirmed so far through four games.

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Speaker 4: But we also thought there were guys on this team

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Speaker 4: at points during the year it'll be Elie de la

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Speaker 4: And if those guys, if they now have more of

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Speaker 4: an offense that we thought could be carried by specific

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Speaker 4: three and one, with the talking points we had before

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Speaker 4: the season, I think so far four games in Austin,

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Speaker 4: I think those talking points are at least somewhat confirmed.

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Speaker 4: As going forward.

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Speaker 2: You just mentioned that the fact that for some weeks

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Speaker 2: it's going to be Elie, sometimes it's going to be

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Speaker 2: Suarez in the lineup that they just haven't had as

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Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like they're putting together good at bats.

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Speaker 4: He It's a really good point, Austin, because you can

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Speaker 4: dive into the numbers, and I'm not sure what the

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Speaker 4: what it looks like this year, maybe what it looked

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Speaker 4: like this time last year, But more importantly, it feels different.

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Speaker 4: And I think you make a good point on that

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Speaker 4: And I also go back to the idea again of

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Speaker 4: is saying about this team and what seventy nine wins,

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Speaker 4: eighty wins. This team won eighty three games last year,

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Speaker 4: and at this point last year You couldn't drop South

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Speaker 4: I go back to understanding. I don't understand how anybody

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Speaker 4: year and that team won eighty three games, and how

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Speaker 4: the ceiling shouldn't be higher this year for the Reds

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Speaker 4: to get up to an eighty seven win season, an

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Speaker 4: So I look at this team where they were last

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Speaker 4: it's concerning. And when I talk about Noel v Marte Key,

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Speaker 4: when you include Stevenson Intraveno, they're oh for twenty nine, yeah,

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Speaker 4: oh for twenty nine and four games. Obviously that won't continue,

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Speaker 4: but it's still to me is a concern for this team.

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Speaker 4: Will they get it figured out in right field? Will

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Speaker 4: And can Key Brian Hayes hit at a level that

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Speaker 4: It's gonna take something to get him out of the

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Speaker 4: is what are they doing with Noel v Marte and

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Speaker 4: I I want to see more from Noelvie Marte before

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Speaker 4: I make him just a straight platoon guy. I agree,

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Speaker 4: And it's odd making him a platoon guy because of

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Speaker 4: it's been talked about so much his reverse splits that

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Speaker 4: hits right handers. But I think his upside of what

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Speaker 2: I don't know, because I'm not there every day. I

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Speaker 2: feeling that there is a constant having to light a

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Speaker 2: to try to get him to That's just the feeling

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Speaker 3: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 4: It does, and it goes back to what Charlie talked

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Speaker 4: and said it's not good enough. The effort isn't there,

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Speaker 4: And I do wonder if it's a hard thing sometimes

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Speaker 4: to whatever employer you're going to have. You know, in

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Speaker 4: Inside of a Reds clubhouse where it's March, right, it's March.

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Speaker 4: You're not gonna oversell yourself to win one game.

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Speaker 4: Joe, Nope. And that's where I was going, because this

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Speaker 2: And on top of that, I mean, let's say you

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Speaker 3: The first month of the season without a doubt.

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Speaker 2: The NFL Annual meetings are happening right now in Phoenix.

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Speaker 4: I have to think there's a decent reason why this

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Speaker 2: I felt like this was the perfect time for her

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Speaker 2: number three, Joe, thank you for the time. What are

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Speaker 4: So we have a lot coming up Austin, including the

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Speaker 4: The Hall of Fame Night's going to be on Fox nineteen,

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Speaker 4: and then we're working on some big stuff for the

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Speaker 4: NFL Draft. As the flagship station, we have some special

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Speaker 4: programming coming up for that as well. So big month

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Speaker 4: ahead for the Bengals flagship station that is Fox nineteen, Austin.

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Speaker 4: As I'm showing the video all so.

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Speaker 2: You're telling me you're on TV as well, you're not.

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Speaker 3: Just you don't just join us. You actually do work

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Speaker 3: on television.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to start referring to myself as since the

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Speaker 4: three sixties, Joe Daniman.

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Speaker 2: Well, Joe Danaman, since he three to sixty. That might

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Speaker 2: be the name of the show this time next year.

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Speaker 3: You never really know.

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Speaker 2: People forget you're an Ohio sportscaster of the year as well.

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Speaker 2: You know, and I had yes long before you were

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Speaker 2: appearing on this show. Uh, Joe, thanks man. Are you

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Speaker 2: guys going to Pittsburgh?

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Speaker 3: Are you? Is that too early to say? Or what

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Speaker 3: are you?

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Speaker 4: We are OK, we are going to Pittsburgh. Yes, Fox nineteen.

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Speaker 4: The flagship will plant that flag right in enemy territory

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Speaker 4: right well in Pittsburgh, PA.

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Speaker 2: Don't show uh what's his face? A linebacker that used

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Speaker 2: to pay for Ohio State now places for the Steeler.

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Speaker 2: What's that guy's name on my blanket?

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Speaker 4: On? Jack Sawyer?

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Speaker 2: Jack Sawyer? Yeah, only the most iconic play in Ohio

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Speaker 2: state history. All right, Joe, thanks so much, man, I

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. That's Joe Daniman. This is since he three

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Speaker 2: sixty on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 6: cyber tagic.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to the talkback.

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Speaker 7: How about them Red Lakes Off too, a heck of

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Speaker 7: a start, took the series from the Sock, took the

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Speaker 7: first game from the Pirates. Keep it going, boys. Nice

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Speaker 7: debut by Jose Franco. You know, seeing Franco in a

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Speaker 7: back of the reds Jersey takes you back to the eighties. There,

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Speaker 7: John Franco and people out there leaking these possible City

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Speaker 7: connect uniforms. I like the red with the black pinstripes.

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Speaker 7: Still not fond of that logo. See I can't decide

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Speaker 7: if it either looks like bacon or an old stove

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Speaker 7: burner top.

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Speaker 2: See man, you and I did for a little bit, Kevin,

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Speaker 2: because I think the C is the best part of

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Speaker 2: the uniform. We'll talk about those potentially leaked uniforms coming up.

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Speaker 3: Went south. Dubi came in.

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Speaker 4: He was biggest coke dot twenty five pounds.

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Speaker 3: Now he's look good with.

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Speaker 1: That big saw ray.

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Speaker 2: You know he rakes so good.

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Speaker 3: So that big sahow Ray.

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Speaker 8: You know he rakes good. Thank you he Audi EJ

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Speaker 8: on the east end. You tach about these colorful color

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Speaker 8: announcers for college basketball. Yes, Bill Walton, who you and

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Speaker 8: I both love, Raftree. I want to take you back

504
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Speaker 8: a generation to Al McGuire, former head coach at Marquette

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Speaker 8: who partnered with dick Enberg back in the day.

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Speaker 3: Wonderful.

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Speaker 8: Thanks for playing that clip of the duke call yesterday

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Speaker 8: on the Yukon winning shot. Like you said, so duke

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Speaker 8: to be calling for the technical.

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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, it's just the most duke thing ever. For them, Oh,

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Speaker 2: that was not supposed to happen. The most duke thing

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Speaker 2: ever for them to call for the technical right away. Also,

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Speaker 2: I'll be honest, I think Dan Hurley should have been

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Speaker 2: called for a technical.

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Speaker 3: I really do. The more I watch that video, the

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Speaker 3: more I'm bothered by it. More on that later.

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Speaker 9: Too, Hey, Austin Steven Montgomery.

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Speaker 10: The win thing I would ask Katie Blackburn.

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Speaker 9: Is if she learned from the history of what happened

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Speaker 9: when they didn't sign both Leon Hall and Jonathan Joseph

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Speaker 9: and they spent the next ten years trying to get

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Speaker 9: a solid cornerback duo, and hopefully they learn from that

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Speaker 9: lesson and they will extend both Dax Hill and TJ.

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Speaker 8: Turnerment.

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Speaker 9: So I guess my question is are they going to

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Speaker 9: try and do that this year?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think you're on the right track there, Steven.

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Speaker 2: The idea of asking them asking her about the various

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Speaker 2: positions in the past that they have failed to address

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Speaker 2: or let a player walk and have failed to fix

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Speaker 2: in the immediate aftermath. Has anything about that process changed?

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Speaker 2: How frequently did they look back on that? Do they

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Speaker 2: consider that like self scouting of Hey, this is something

534
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Speaker 2: we did wrong. Here's how we can improve it. Like,

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Speaker 2: what is their philosophy?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 2: The Bengals have made it very clear that they believe

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Speaker 2: in their process. And so if you believe in your process,

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Speaker 2: and you're steadfast in your process, and you have confidence

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Speaker 2: in the people that are supposed to be executing your process,

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Speaker 2: why not then talk about it.

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Speaker 11: Hey, Audi, it's Kris and Alexandria. Chris love the idea

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Speaker 11: about asking Katie Blackburn a question. One of the things

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Speaker 11: I always question myself is are the Bengals more interested

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Speaker 11: in making money or winning championships? So my question to

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Speaker 11: Katie Blackburn would be, Katie, do you feel every year

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Speaker 11: that it's important to keep up with the rest of

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Speaker 11: the league to spend the full amount allotted for the

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Speaker 11: salary cap in order to win championships.

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Speaker 2: That's a good questions and I think that she would say,

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Speaker 2: look back on the way we've spent in recent years,

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Speaker 2: and that would tell you that we spend a lot

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Speaker 2: of our salary cap, and she would be correct. The

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Speaker 2: issue with that, though, is it's a bit of a trap.

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Speaker 2: Answer is that because they have heavy first year cap

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Speaker 2: hits with very little dead cap and they don't do

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Speaker 2: void years and they don't add a bunch of money

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Speaker 2: in the second year. It is almost an optical illusion

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Speaker 2: that suggests they are spending up to the salary cap,

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Speaker 2: but not necessarily spending as much cash as the other

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Speaker 2: teams who are competing do so. Like they play within

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Speaker 2: the rules of the salary cap, but the cap isn't real,

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Speaker 2: is the best way to say it. Like, there are

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Speaker 2: ways to circumvent the salary cap through bonuses, through signing bonuses,

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Speaker 2: through all these different ways and void years and restructures

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Speaker 2: and all this stuff that allow you to spend more

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Speaker 2: cash than cap, and that's how.

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Speaker 3: Eight teams stay competitive.

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Speaker 2: The Bengals philosophy is to do it within the cap,

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Speaker 2: and it causes them to miss out on free agents.

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Speaker 2: That would be one of the questions I would ask.

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Speaker 4: I'm really hoping that that we actually got best.

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Speaker 9: I wish they were white with red penn stripes and

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Speaker 9: then just the normal City Connect.

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Speaker 12: Logo instead of the one that they have on it

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Speaker 12: now with the white background.

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Speaker 3: But it'll be cool either way. I think that'd be neat.

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Speaker 12: But yeah, if they would have just done the white

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Speaker 12: with the red penn stripes, kind of like the old

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Speaker 12: King Griffy Jr.

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Speaker 3: Looking out inn sick. Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 2: I do think from the ones that I've seen so far,

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Speaker 2: Nike has kind of tamped it down a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Then the first run of City Connects, they've been a

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Speaker 2: little bit more chill, and I think that this potential

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Speaker 2: leak is what am I trying to say signifying that

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Speaker 2: as well, where it's it's not a lot, it's not

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Speaker 2: a whole bunch going on, I think it looks okay.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you more on that later.

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Speaker 10: Austin Joe Pesci, I represent certain people who have a

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Speaker 10: sports entertainment adjacent business, understand and if you get what

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Speaker 10: I mean. Anyways, my questions for Katie Blackburn is, Miss Blackburn,

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Speaker 10: where the bleep do you get off telling us about

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Speaker 10: this bleep and track record of success that makes.

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Speaker 3: You think that you bleep and know what you're bleeping doing.

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Speaker 3: Get out of here. Okay.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that the bleeps are going to help

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Speaker 2: you get an answer, but okay.

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Speaker 13: My question for Katie is pretty simple. Is the goal

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Speaker 13: of the team net income or is it to win.

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Speaker 3: A Super Bowl? So that's two of those questions so

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Speaker 3: far that Katie would be asked ay Joe from Casey here.

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Speaker 5: There is not something I could care about less or

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Speaker 5: have less interest in watching than flag football. I mean,

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Speaker 5: is there really a market for it? I don't know

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Speaker 5: who they go reds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a fair question. I do think

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Speaker 2: if there wasn't a market for it, you wouldn't see

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Speaker 2: so much of it happening now, you know, much like

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Speaker 2: AAU at the basketball level, flag football and seven on

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Speaker 2: seven specifically has become a big part of football at

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Speaker 2: the youth level, and there is interest, especially from young

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Speaker 2: women in playing that sport, and the NFL wants to

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Speaker 2: get as many women as involved as they can in

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Speaker 2: the sport, So I think that's a huge part of it.

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Speaker 2: I think it's continuing the reach to more and more

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Speaker 2: people as far as the NFL is concerned. But I

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Speaker 2: will say this, I have watched. First of all, I'm

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Speaker 2: a sick person and I just think about football all

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Speaker 2: the time, and I have NFL Network on like all

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Speaker 2: the time, and I have watched these flag football games

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Speaker 2: that they play up at the Hall of Fame Village

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Speaker 2: in Canton and with these youth teams, boys, girls, all

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Speaker 2: of it, and I'm highly entertained by it, and it's

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Speaker 2: not just the typical football. It's very different than obviously

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Speaker 2: real football, and there are different rules and different aspects

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Speaker 2: and different skill sets and things to lean into. So

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Speaker 2: is it for everybody? No, it's not. But I do

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Speaker 2: think if there is a way to advance the game

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Speaker 2: of football, especially to young women and two girls, and

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Speaker 2: to teach the game of football through it, I think

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Speaker 2: that can only be a net positive for the game.

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Speaker 14: The one question that I would ask Katie Blackburn or

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Speaker 14: the Brown family is say to them, what did Cincinnati

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Speaker 14: ever do to you to make them deserve what you

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Speaker 14: guys have done to this organization right when they're on

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Speaker 14: the cusp of winning, and season after season you just

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Speaker 14: fail miserably. What did this city ever do to you

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Speaker 14: to deserve that?

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Speaker 15: One?

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Speaker 3: Hmm? I wonder what Katie's response to that? Would be awesome?

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Speaker 3: What's going on?

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Speaker 15: The man's im talk doing a great job today on

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Speaker 15: your subject. If the Reds should lock up South Stewart

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Speaker 15: They did try to lock up Ellie Dela Cruz and

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Speaker 15: Scott Morris said no.

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Speaker 3: My only issue with this.

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Speaker 15: I think it's a great idea, But if the Reds

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Speaker 15: do this, will they spend money on other players, or

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Speaker 15: will it be like when they locked up Joey Vado

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Speaker 15: and did nothing else.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question. And there are some different

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Speaker 2: people in the room now than when that happened. I

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Speaker 2: mean Nick Kral was there and was a part of

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Speaker 2: those conversations, and you know, Dick Williams isn't there anymore,

656
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Speaker 2: and Walt Jocketty's not there anymore, and maybe that would

657
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Speaker 2: affect things, and maybe the revenue streams are a little

658
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Speaker 2: bit different. I don't know if they would or wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: I would trend towards the belief that they wouldn't spend

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Speaker 2: as much money and that they would use that as

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Speaker 2: an excuse because that's what I've known them to be

662
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Speaker 2: and known them to operate. I would hope that that's

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Speaker 2: not the case. But you know the fact of the

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Speaker 2: matter is, if Ellie is the player that we think

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Speaker 2: Ellie is, they're not going to be able to afford him.

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Speaker 3: They're not.

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Speaker 2: And so the issue then becomes what are you doing

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Speaker 2: right now so that four years from now you didn't

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Speaker 2: waste that dude and you can still be good without

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Speaker 2: Ellie de la Cruz and you build that foundation now.

671
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Speaker 2: But also you got to be able to maximize the

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Speaker 2: opportunity you have with a star player. I mean, Pittsburgh

673
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 2: spent a lot of money this offseason, way more than

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Speaker 2: they normally do, because they know they have Paul Skiings

675
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Speaker 2: and it's not going to be guaranteed forever.

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Speaker 16: It's the Lord Happy Tuesday, Talk Back Nation. Way to go,

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Speaker 16: Red Legs, way to get off to a fast start.

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Speaker 16: I got a start bench cut. What team Cincinnati do

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Speaker 16: you think needs to get off to fast start the most?

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Speaker 16: The Bengals, the Reds, or Cincinnat Cincinnati Bearcats football slash basketball.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna always say the Bengals, but I do think

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Speaker 2: because of the early schedule for the red and how

683
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: difficult it gets later, they're going to need to build

684
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 2: a cushion because it's not going to be easy and

685
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Speaker 2: the Big one sixty two or the Big one fifty eight,

686
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Speaker 2: whatever is remaining is.

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Speaker 3: It's just difficult to deal with.

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Speaker 2: So for that reason, I do think it's a toss up,

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Speaker 2: but I'm gonna lean Reds just because it's baseball season.

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Speaker 17: Austin greg So really really like Sunday's lineup. Sure as

691
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Speaker 17: a third Marte in the nine hole and Key Brian

692
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Speaker 17: late inning pinch run, late inning defense. Yep, and I

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Speaker 17: really think that's his should be his role anyway. Another

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Speaker 17: great job you're doing.

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Speaker 2: Today, Austin, Greg, Thank you very much, and I agree

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Speaker 2: with you one hundred percent. I thought that was probably

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Speaker 2: the best lineup that Tito had put out and obviously

698
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: didn't score a bunch of runs, but still I agree

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Speaker 2: with you.

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Speaker 3: I think that should be the role for Key Brian Hayes.

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Speaker 13: Double dip for Katie. How did season ticket renewals come in?

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Speaker 13: The seat relocation email that came out yesterday? They showed

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Speaker 13: a lot of seats open for moving around. Curious how

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Speaker 13: season ticket renewals came in?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and how does that affect your decision making when

706
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 2: it comes to building the football team? I would love

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Speaker 2: to follow up with that.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I'd like to ask Katie Blackburn, why in the

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Speaker 14: world didn't you guys sign a linebacker when everybody on earth?

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Speaker 8: One of you two?

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Speaker 16: Maybe ask her how much does Duke Tobin control the draft?

712
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Speaker 16: Is it one hundred percent, seventy five fifty percent?

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Speaker 4: Go South Steward?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 18: All good questions, Addie, Tony, Steve Pacific Northwest, want to

716
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Speaker 18: scat back with the travel trailer from the desert. I

717
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Speaker 18: always ended down there the last two weeks of spring training.

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Speaker 8: I tell you what, boys, this is the year.

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Speaker 3: I'm calling it first time. So what about seventeenth or

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Speaker 3: eighteen sixty.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we're gonna win a playoff series.

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Speaker 18: That's right, Go Reds baby excited, excited, the machine is

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Speaker 18: back audio climb Deckos.

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Speaker 3: Good to hear from you, Steve.

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Speaker 2: It would be the first time since October of nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety five.

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Speaker 12: Hey, Austin, with the draft coming up, here were the

728
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Speaker 12: chances the Bengals draft a player and not draft for need.

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Speaker 12: Do you think that's possible at the tenth pick? And

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Speaker 12: I think we agree there's no way they're trading out

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Speaker 12: of that spot. And they've never done it in the

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Speaker 12: past that I can recall, and I'm getting to be

733
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Speaker 12: pretty old. Uh so, what you think player or need?

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Speaker 2: Well, if I'm not mistaken, they traded out of what

735
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Speaker 2: was it the twelfth pick for Cordy Glenn with the

736
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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills in like twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen or

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Speaker 2: whatever draft that was. So I don't think it's it's

738
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Speaker 2: completely out of the realm of possibility, but I do

739
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Speaker 2: not think that it's likely. I just, based off of

740
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Speaker 2: what we know from them over the course of time,

741
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Speaker 2: believe that they will draft for need because their needs

742
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Speaker 2: were not short up now. The good news is basically

743
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Speaker 2: every position that they need, there's gonna be a good

744
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 2: football player at number ten, whether that's an offensive lineman,

745
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Speaker 2: a linebacker, a cornerback, a safety, a defensive interior defensive player, like,

746
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Speaker 2: there're gonna be dudes there. So I think, based off

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Speaker 2: their history, they will draft for need and not draft

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Speaker 2: best player available.

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Speaker 4: Noel V.

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Speaker 19: Marte's inability to hit left handed pitching is huge. Re

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Speaker 19: Signs is waiting down a triple A. He's got six

752
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Speaker 19: kits and eleven at bats, five to sixty five batting average,

753
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 19: four RBIs, including a game winner. He can hit left

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Speaker 19: hand pitching. He can feel better than the Wellvey Marte

755
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Speaker 19: and weelvee. Marte has options left. Yeah, I think the

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Speaker 19: string is very short.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point, and good on you for

758
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Speaker 2: for pointing that out because I failed to mention re

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00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: Signs earlier and you're exactly right. Had an awesome spring training,

760
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: is a very good defender. Is one of the fastest

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Speaker 2: players in the organization. Absolutely, that is a great, great point.

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Speaker 3: Hey, if someone say Creamy parn.

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Speaker 2: Hei right right, good to hear from you.

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Speaker 20: Yo, I thought Kats had nine lives.

765
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 21: I didn't know Tigers did too.

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Speaker 3: It's a good one. It's a good one. It's a

767
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 3: good joke.

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Speaker 20: Hey, Austin, Jeff and you rich Man a great show today.

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Speaker 20: You're doing awesome.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Hey.

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Speaker 20: To answer your question about what I would ask Katie,

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Speaker 20: I would ask her if in a make or break year,

774
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 20: do you think Duke Tobin is doing the job? You know,

775
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 20: because his job is apparently on the line, So I'd

776
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 20: like to know if she thinks that he's doing a

777
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 20: good job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would ask her, is Duke's job on the

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00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 2: line because there is a belief externally that he is

780
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 2: a part of the family and he basically can't get fired,

781
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: and is that true? That would be one of my questions.

782
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: Is Duke Tobin competing building fighting for his job this season?

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00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: And if not, why not?

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Speaker 7: My question for Katie would be, what makes you think

785
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Speaker 7: your way of doing business is always successful when the

786
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Speaker 7: last three seasons is evident that it does not.

787
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 2: It's a great question. Defend your strategy, defend your philosophy,

788
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: defend your way of doing business. You have not achieved

789
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: the desired results. Why should we believe that your way

790
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Speaker 2: of doing things works? Great question, great job, Great questions

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Speaker 2: from everybody today here on Talkbacks. Talkbacks return tomorrow, same

792
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Speaker 2: time with big tone. We'll take a break, we'll come back.

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Speaker 2: This is Tony Pike's Sincy three to sixty on the

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Speaker 2: Home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 1: Is your three sixty continues now on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Wrapping up our number two here on ESPN fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 2: we'll go to the phones in just a second. By

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Speaker 2: the way, phone lines are open the rest of the

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Speaker 2: show five on thirty seven four nine, fifteen thirty. If

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Speaker 2: you want to call in, make your voice heard. Coming

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Speaker 2: up in our number three, we'll talk a little bit

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Speaker 2: about the Bengals, a little bit about the Katie Blackburn thing.

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Speaker 2: The NFL just approved four rule changes for next year.

804
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you about those. Plus preview tonight's Reds game,

805
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Speaker 2: Brandon Williamson on the mound for Cincinnati as they go

806
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Speaker 2: for their second straight series win. We'll do the O'Connor

807
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: at Chani and Levy injury report and so much more,

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Speaker 2: and coming up at three oh five today, it's Chick

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Speaker 2: Ludwick the Chickster in for mo Egger. I am in

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Speaker 2: for mo Tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: On that show, we'll talk to Paul Danner Junior. He's

813
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Speaker 2: out in Phoenix right now covering the NFL Annual meetings.

814
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 2: We'll get Paul's takeaways from today's conversation with Zach Taylor

815
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Speaker 2: and the lack of conversation with Katie Blackburn. That's all

816
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: coming up tomorrow on The Moe Egger Show. But like

817
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Speaker 2: I said, time for phone calls five one, three, seven,

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Speaker 2: four nine, fifteen thirty. You can also tweet it me

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Speaker 2: at Audiel Moore. That's a U t y E L

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Speaker 2: m O r E. Let's go to our guy John

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Speaker 2: in Boston. What's up John, Boston?

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Speaker 21: Good afternoon, as always, doing a great job when you

823
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Speaker 21: five solo, my my highest.

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Speaker 3: Compliments to you. Thank you. I appreciate it absolutely.

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Speaker 21: So what I figure I'm going to try to help

826
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Speaker 21: do the next couple of weeks is go through the

827
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Speaker 21: draft stuff because I'm doing it for the football journal

828
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Speaker 21: I worked for and Lohold. Patriots and Bengals have some

829
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Speaker 21: similar need so to this, I can add some information.

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Speaker 21: And one player I've mentioned yesterday to Tony was calib

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Speaker 21: Banks defensive tackles.

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Speaker 3: Caleb Banks defensive.

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Speaker 21: Tackles from Florida.

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Speaker 3: H huh, six.

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Speaker 21: Thirty five thirty five inches on length and eleven inches

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Speaker 21: for his hands, and he's a massive guy, five flat

837
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Speaker 21: in a forty, but he only played two games last

838
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Speaker 21: year with an ankle. I've heard rumors Kansas City might

839
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Speaker 21: be interested at nine. I don't know if he's a

840
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Speaker 21: top ten pick, but he's he's like a high floor,

841
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 21: high ceiling guy, because you know of those numbers.

842
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think people like how disruptive he can be.

843
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: His size is obviously eye popping, but the injuries are

844
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Speaker 2: an issue. You mentioned he dealt with the ankle injury.

845
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Speaker 2: He also performed at the scouting Combine this year with

846
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Speaker 2: a broken foot and as of now as a broken

847
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 2: foot a hairline fracture in that foot. So I think

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Speaker 2: he's gonna drop.

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Speaker 3: I would.

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Speaker 2: I would actually be thrilled if he's available for the

851
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Speaker 2: Bengals at number in the second round, like I would

852
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Speaker 2: be signed me up for that. I don't know if

853
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 2: he'll drop that far, just because there's not a ton

854
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: of depth at that position, but that is a dude

855
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 2: that that teams are definitely keeping the eye on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 21: Another player would be Keldrick falk Edge from Auburn six

858
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Speaker 21: six to eighty five. The intriguing proute about him Austin.

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Speaker 21: He's twenty years old, so there's a lot of growth there.

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Speaker 21: He's a guy who can kick inside if necessary, but

861
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Speaker 21: also play outside. I think he'd be an interesting prospect again,

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Speaker 21: more second and third round type player. Yeah, obviously about

863
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Speaker 21: at ten. I mean, if if they get Kale's downs

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Speaker 21: or sunny styles at number ten, I mean we'll be

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Speaker 21: high fiving each other because that will be a successful

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Speaker 21: draft off the bat.

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Speaker 3: But I think I think a lot of people combine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of people compare Keldrick falk

869
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Speaker 2: to Shamar Stewart like two prospects kind of cut from

870
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Speaker 2: the same cloth. Very rare do possess that ability to

871
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 2: play both inside and out more traits than anything, and

872
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 2: still have to develop those traits and their physical attributes

873
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Speaker 2: into being elite pass rushers.

874
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 21: Yep, and and I'll throw at you off the ball.

875
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 21: Linebacker Jacob Rodriguez from Texas Tech he's only six one,

876
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 21: two thirty, but that's that's fine. From off ball linebacker.

877
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 21: This is a guy who has tremendous instincts leadership. He's

878
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 21: already being called a guy who eventually here the green

879
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 21: dot and there was kind of an under side his

880
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 21: linebacker from Texas Tech.

881
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that did quite well for himself.

882
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 21: And made the Hall of Fame on Zach moh So.

883
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 21: I think that Thomas. I think those type of players, now,

884
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 21: that's not a traite guy, that's a production guys. Right,

885
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 21: Maybe he's available in round three. I think we are

886
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 21: focused on defense for the most part, but just a

887
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 21: couple of nasers were all out there, and you know

888
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 21: it's going to be interesting to see where they go,

889
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 21: especially at that second round pick.

890
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: Without a doubt, John, thank you for the phone call,

891
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 2: and yeah, I'm with you a hundred percent. Like I've

892
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 2: always been surprised that Rodriguez didn't get as much buzz,

893
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: just because watching enough of Texas Tech this year, you

894
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: could tell this is the dude who is smart, who

895
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: knows what his position is supposed to be doing, what

896
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 2: the positions in front of him are supposed to be doing.

897
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 2: Getting those guys in front of him lined up correctly

898
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 2: and the gaps and all that. You may have heard

899
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 2: his story several times throughout the college football season that

900
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 2: his wife is a Blackhawk helicopter pilot in the Air Force,

901
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: which is incredibly impressive. And just watching and listening to

902
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: Jacob Rodriguez talk, you see just how impressive of a

903
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: dude he is. But I do think there's some worry

904
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 2: about his athletic ability, some worry about maybe his physical

905
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 2: ability and size in the NFL.

906
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 3: But John brings up a good point.

907
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: There have been dudes that have overcome that, and especially

908
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 2: a guy from Texas Tech and Zach Thomas, who wears

909
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,959
Speaker 2: a gold jacket will be in Canton from now until

910
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 2: the end of time, so it's certainly his possibility. I'm

911
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: all in favor of drafting Hall of famers. If you

912
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: want to draft Hall of famers, go ahead and do that,

913
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 2: all right, We'll take a break when we come back.

914
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: Our number three on Tony Pike, since he three sixty.

915
00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to react to the Katie Blackburn situation. Is

916
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 2: it a big deal? Is it not a big deal?

917
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 2: Plus what if what Tony said on Mock Draft Monday

918
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 2: yesterday actually came true. I'll tell you all about that

919
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: next ESPN fifteen thirty.

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00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: This is Tony Pikes since E three sixty about Cincinnati.

921
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: From Cincinnati. This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

922
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: Hi, Hello, welcome in our number three, the final hour

923
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 2: of Tony Pikes since E three sixty Here on ESPN

924
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. My name's Austin Olmore. The big Fella Tone

925
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 2: will be back with us tomorrow. He's gonna be solo tomorrow.

926
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Speaker 2: I am filling in four Moegar one hour from right now.

927
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 2: Filling in for Moegar will be Chick. Ludwig the Chickster

928
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 2: is in the building. I can't confirm. He has his coffee,

929
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 2: he has his computer. All he will need is you Chick.

930
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: Coming up later on this afternoon, Red's winners last night

931
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 2: have a chance to win the series tonight against the Pirates.

932
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 2: More on that coming up in just a little bit.

933
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: But first I do want to talk a little bit

934
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 2: about the Bengals. I haven't talked to much football this

935
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: week for obvious reasons, and there hasn't been all that

936
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: much going on. But the NFL Annual meetings are happening

937
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 2: in Phoenix, and earlier this morning, Zach Taylor met with

938
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: the media and was with them for about forty minutes. Now,

939
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: the people who are there covering it, there hasn't been

940
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 2: a lot that's come out about it, and I'm sure

941
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 2: they're working on different stories and talking to a lot

942
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: that goes on at the NFL annual meetings. Paul Dayner,

943
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 2: Junior from the Athletics said that they covered a lot

944
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 2: of ground about the defense and all levels of the defense,

945
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: the approach to the season, the extensions to young players

946
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco and Joe Burrow playing flag football, and we'll

947
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: get a little bit more about that coming up as

948
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: those stories begin to come out. But the story that

949
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: seems to be the biggest story from this week is

950
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 2: not that Zach Taylor is talking. It's that Katie Blackburn

951
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: is not talking. I don't know that people fully understand

952
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 2: because Mike Brown takes a lot of the arrows and

953
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 2: understandably so, and there's plenty of reasons for people and

954
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: Bengals fans specifically to be critical of Mike Brown, but

955
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 2: Katie is the most important person in that organization and

956
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 2: makes many of the decisions and leads the charge on

957
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 2: so much of what happens within that Bengals franchise, and

958
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 2: when Mike is no longer the owner and the president,

959
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 2: it's going to be Katie. And there are a lot

960
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 2: of things about the way the Bengals do business that

961
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: fans don't like, that fans disagree with, and that fans

962
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 2: would like clarification and understanding about why they do things

963
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 2: the way that they do. And that's completely fair, especially

964
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:53,959
Speaker 2: if you're one of those fans, so as we talked

965
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 2: about earlier, pays a lot of money for season tickets,

966
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: especially if you're one of those fans who lives here

967
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 2: in since Sinnati and helped pay and build and continues

968
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: to help pay and build for that stadium, Especially if

969
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: you're one of the fans who spends any amount of

970
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: money investing in this team, whether it's to buy a

971
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 2: jersey or to buy a ticket to a game, or

972
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 2: whatever it might be. Fans want transparency, Fans want understanding.

973
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 2: Fans want some sort of indication that the plan you

974
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 2: are trying to put in place is working. And I

975
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 2: think that's magnified by the fact that you have, in

976
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: many people's opinion, the best quarterback in the National Football

977
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 2: League on your team and you have not made the

978
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 2: playoffs now for three consecutive seasons. You've made the playoffs

979
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 2: just twice over the last ten and if not for

980
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 2: that run in twenty twenty one, what really is the

981
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 2: conversation about? What really is the conversation regarding this franchise

982
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: in the future of this franchise and Joe Burrow, I

983
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 2: think when they went on that run in twenty one,

984
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 2: it solidified the idea that, Okay, this is possible, and

985
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 2: now the standards at all levels need to be raised.

986
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 2: And I do think the Bengals at times have done

987
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 2: a good job of doing that, but they haven't done

988
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: a good enough job. And it has felt like from

989
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 2: my perspective as a fan and my perspective talking about

990
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 2: them every single day, is that there are times when

991
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 2: the standard that has been set forth by the fan

992
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 2: base does not meet the same standard internally by the

993
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: front office. And I also think that there is maybe

994
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: a different standard, at least it feels this way, It

995
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 2: is perceived this way from the players and the coaches

996
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 2: than there is in the front office. And that's an

997
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 2: issue because you need all three levels, front office, coaching staff,

998
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 2: players to have the same standard and each day be

999
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 2: working towards the same goal. And the Bengals, if you

1000
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 2: were to ask them, they would tell you that that

1001
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 2: is what they are doing. I disagree with that premise.

1002
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 2: I don't know that the Bengals are willing to do enough, chance,

1003
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 2: mean enough, just enough, pivot enough, go over the top

1004
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 2: enough to make themselves and raise themselves to that standard

1005
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 2: that is going to be necessary, and certainly not to

1006
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 2: the standard at this point. I don't know that Joe

1007
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 2: Burrow holds himself in the players and the coaches and

1008
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: everyone else is such a high standard. I don't know

1009
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 2: that the Bengals front office wise are doing enough, or

1010
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 2: have done enough, or are willing to do enough to

1011
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 2: meet that standard. And it opens them up to criticism,

1012
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: and it should because this is the single most important

1013
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 2: player and era in the history of this franchise. I

1014
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 2: have said this many times. I stand firm in this

1015
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 2: belief that if the Bengals screw up the Joe Burrow era,

1016
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 2: they will do irreparable damage to their fan base. They

1017
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: will lose people, They will lose people for a long time.

1018
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 2: There will be people that will not come back because

1019
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 2: for the second time they will have a a franchise

1020
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 2: caliber quarterback, a super Bowl caliber quarterback that they've screwed up.

1021
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 3: Now.

1022
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 2: You can say whatever you want about Carson Palmer and

1023
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 2: whether or not he was that level of quarterback. He

1024
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 2: certainly wasn't at the level of Joe Burrow, but you

1025
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 2: felt like he had all the tools that he could

1026
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: have gotten you to a super Bowl and he did

1027
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 2: go to the NFC Championship Game with Arizona. And the

1028
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 2: issue with Carson feels like the same issue with Joe.

1029
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 2: Are the Bengals doing enough to go all in? Are

1030
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 2: they pushing all their chips at the center of the table.

1031
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: And the fact that we had this conversation with the

1032
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 2: talkbackers earlier today and multiple times it was brought up, Hey,

1033
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 2: do you care more about winning or do you care

1034
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 2: more about the bottom line of your business? That to

1035
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 2: me is a major issue when it comes to your perception.

1036
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 2: And that's what bothers me the most about Kaiti not

1037
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 2: talking in Phoenix is that you have an opportunity to

1038
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 2: change the narrative. You have the opportunity to level with fans,

1039
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: to come eye to eye, to send your message to

1040
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 2: the fans, to do the pr tour and say, hey,

1041
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 2: we know that this offseason so far hasn't been good enough,

1042
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 2: and we know that our team needs to improve, and

1043
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 2: we believe in the guys we have, but we know

1044
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 2: we need to do more. And what we've done for

1045
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 2: the last three years is completely unacceptable and there is

1046
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 2: a pressure inside the building to fix it, and there

1047
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 2: are jobs on the line, and we know that the

1048
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 2: standard that we have met the last couple of years

1049
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 2: is not the standard that we have for ourselves or

1050
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 2: that our fans have for us, and so we are

1051
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 2: doing everything in our power to change that. It would

1052
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 2: not be hard for Katie Blackburn to do that. You

1053
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 2: have the platform. You can say that, you can reassure

1054
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 2: those people who might not want to be season ticket

1055
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 2: holders anymore. You can convince people who do want to

1056
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 2: buy back into this organization. You can tell people and

1057
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 2: set the standard from the highest ranking person in the

1058
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 2: organization all the way down, what we've done is not

1059
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 2: good enough. You have the opportunity at owners meetings really

1060
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 2: whenever you want to set that standard. But they don't,

1061
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 2: and that should bother you, because it bothers me. I

1062
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 2: say constantly that I believe that this organization should be

1063
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 2: in an aggressive pursuit of a championship from the moment

1064
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 2: their feet hit the floor in the morning. And I

1065
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 2: believe there are people in that organization that do feel

1066
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 2: that way, and I know that they want to win,

1067
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 2: but they continually make things so much harder on themselves

1068
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 2: because they feel so far away, because the transparency isn't there,

1069
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 2: because they're not leveling with fans, they're not.

1070
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 3: Relating to fans.

1071
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 2: It feels like they're so far away that they don't

1072
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 2: really want to talk to you.

1073
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 3: They don't really want to relate to you. They don't

1074
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 3: really want to.

1075
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 2: Make you feel seen. And they've sucked at this for

1076
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,959
Speaker 2: a long time. And we've all said it, and we've

1077
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,760
Speaker 2: all acknowledged it, and all of us who are Bengals

1078
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 2: fans have felt it. And it's frustrating and it's annoying,

1079
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 2: and you would just hope that at some point the

1080
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 2: light bulb will come on and these people would say,

1081
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 2: you know what, our fans deserve better. Our fans deserve transparency,

1082
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 2: our fans deserve truth. And instead of continuing to throw

1083
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor out to the Wolves, or this past year,

1084
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 2: throw Zoop Tobin out to the wolves we're gonna go

1085
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 2: out there and answer the questions. Here's the other thing too.

1086
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 2: If you do believe in your process, if you believe

1087
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 2: fully in what you're doing in your plan and how

1088
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 2: you want to execute it, and that it will work well,

1089
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 2: then you should have no problem defending it. You should

1090
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 2: have no problem getting out there and saying, here's why

1091
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 2: we believe he's here's the resources we've given Duke. Here's

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00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 2: the resources we've given Zach. Here's the conversations we've given

1093
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 2: and we've had with Joe Burrow. Here's why we believe

1094
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 2: our process works. Here's why it's different in how it's

1095
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 2: different from other processes across the league. And this is

1096
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 2: our mentality. It's not that hard to say, this is

1097
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 2: how we believe in, this is how we operate. If

1098
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 2: you are so convinced that your way of doing things works,

1099
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 2: will then explain it, defend it, make sense of it

1100
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 2: to everybody, especially the people who are investing in your

1101
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 2: organization on a day to day basis. You know, the

1102
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 2: players would like to hear that too. You know the

1103
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 2: coaching staff who's pissed off right now that you haven't

1104
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 2: given them good enough players to actually compete because this

1105
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 2: offseason has been such a failure in terms of roster building.

1106
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 2: They would like an explanation and understanding of the process.

1107
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 2: The fans, the season ticket holders, the people who are

1108
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 2: in the meeting every day criticizing you and questioning you.

1109
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 2: The former players like Andrew Whitworth, who had a thirty

1110
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 2: minute conversation with Kelsey Conway in the Inquiry this week,

1111
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,240
Speaker 2: saying the Bengals just don't do enough.

1112
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 3: They would like to understand your reasoning.

1113
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,439
Speaker 2: It feels like the fourth year in a row we've

1114
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 2: had the same conversation. This is the most important offseason

1115
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 2: in Bengals history. Well, it is, and I don't know

1116
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 2: that what we saw from Joe Burrow last year, his frustration,

1117
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 2: I don't know that that necessarily means that Joe is

1118
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 2: ready to bolt. I'm not there yet, and the people

1119
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 2: I've talked to have told me Joe Burrow is not

1120
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 2: there yet. But losing wears on people, It wears on him,

1121
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 2: It should wear on him. It's not acceptable and there

1122
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 2: needs to be concrete proof and belief that the organization

1123
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 2: is doing everything possible to fix it. It's maddening that

1124
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 2: the people in charge don't speak. They aren't transparent, and

1125
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 2: I get it. Not every owner in the NFL talks.

1126
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 2: Some of them are very hands off. Some of them

1127
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 2: put their GMS out there. The director play of personnel's

1128
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 2: out there.

1129
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 3: All that.

1130
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 2: I get it, And everybody has different ways of doing business.

1131
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 2: This is the one time of year we normally get

1132
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 2: to hear from Katie. I would have liked to have

1133
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 2: heard from Katy. And like I said to Joe Danoman,

1134
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 2: there's not a Trey Hendrickson contract you got to talk about.

1135
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 2: There's no stadium lease stuff that's really going on. It's

1136
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 2: really just football stuff. And hell, the Competition Committee changed

1137
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 2: four or five rules today. You can talk about that stuff.

1138
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 2: And it's about team building, and it's about your philosophy

1139
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 2: to team building, and your financial philosophy and your fiscal responsibilities.

1140
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 2: That sort of stuff that gives people an understanding of

1141
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 2: how you operate and why you operate the way you operate,

1142
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 2: so that you can clarify that portion of your business

1143
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 2: that she's not talking about. And I have a hard

1144
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 2: time understanding that even if you just look at it

1145
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 2: from a pr perspective. This is your opportunity to control

1146
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:23,439
Speaker 2: the narrative and Yeah, of course you're going to open

1147
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 2: yourself up to more questions, and you're going to open

1148
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 2: yourself up to criticism.

1149
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 3: That's part of a gig.

1150
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean that that you're not going to

1151
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 2: be criticized for not talking because it makes you look worse.

1152
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 3: It makes it look like you're hiding something.

1153
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 2: It makes it look like you don't believe in your plan,

1154
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 2: It makes it look like maybe you don't have a plan.

1155
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 2: Just from that perspective alone, you have the chance to

1156
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 2: explain yourself and defend yourself and control the narrative, and

1157
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 2: you don't even do that, And it makes people wonder

1158
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 2: just how committed are you? How how much of a

1159
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 2: priority is winning a Lombardi Trophy. You might believe it

1160
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 2: in your heart, you might say it, but if you

1161
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 2: don't show it, how a how are people supposed to

1162
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 2: believe it?

1163
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Speaker 3: This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

1164
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Speaker 1: From the locker room whispers to stadium roars. He's got

1165
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Speaker 1: it all Moegar today at three pm on ESPN fifteen

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Speaker 1: thirty