1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Session when the Bengals look to take New England to task. 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: Who new history class could get this violent? Speaking of 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: the Patriots, I wonder how I would look in a 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: powdered wig. Probably not good. Coverage begins at nine am Sunday, 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: stream for free on the new and improved iHeartRadio app 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: or ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals. 7 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: What's up. 8 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 3: It's five minutes after three o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty. 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 3: I'm blagger. We're broadcasting today from Oakley Greens. It is 10 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 3: gnarly outside. 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At six point thirty 20 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 3: pregame at five, so we are done early. Taylor Twelveman 21 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 3: is gonna join us in the four o'clock hour to 22 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 3: talk about Sunday's massive Eastern Conference semifinal tilt between FC 23 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 3: Cincinnati and Miami. A full show preview is available on 24 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 3: Twitter at maleger thanks to Shriffacs Credit Union, become a 25 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 3: member today at shareffax dot org. If you're thinking, you 26 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 3: know what, I want to go watch the game this weekend. 27 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 3: Whatever that game is. Maybe it's the Bengals game. Maybe 28 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 3: it's your favorite college football team. It could be it 29 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 3: could be Michigan Ohio State. That game a week from Saturday. 30 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 3: It's gonna be huge at the Skyline. Chile Crosstown shootout, 31 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,919 Speaker 3: FC Cincinnati. Whatever it is, whatever you want to watch, 32 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 3: you can watch it here at Oakley Greens. Tons of TV. 33 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 3: By the way, the holiday setup is perfect. The lights, 34 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 3: the de Corps, We've got Christmas theme, Chewbacca and Darth 35 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 3: Vader and a Stormtrooper. Really everything you could ever ask for. 36 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 3: We have Laura and the bartender. We really are in 37 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 3: a holiday utopia here at Oakley Greens. And to make 38 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 3: things even better, our friend Paul Damer Junior from The 39 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 3: Athletic and the Grawlar podcast is here. 40 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: We are. We are going to figure out how to 41 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 2: have to turn on your microphone. 42 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 3: Oh well, there you are. Yes, it's me all right man, 43 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 3: you good. I've been in your seat before. I've seen 44 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 3: that panic look. I've worn that panic expression before. 45 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: I get it. 46 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 4: Kind of looks like a Bengals linebacker. That kind of 47 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 4: looks like a Bengal safety. Yeah, kind of looks like 48 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 4: a Bengals defensive. 49 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 3: Coordinator, except he's trying. Kind of looks like a Bengals fan. 50 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 3: I'm glad you're here. There's a lot to discuss in 51 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 3: this sea of anger and bad takes. I was I 52 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 3: was happy to read your piece on Jamarch. Okay, yeah, 53 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: because it can't And we're not going to talk about 54 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 3: this for an hour because I don't. 55 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 2: Think you want to. I mean whatever, I don't. 56 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 3: I honestly think there's larger issues to discuss and frankly, 57 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 3: more interesting things to discuss. But sure, he is arguably 58 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 3: their best player. He's one of the stars of this league. 59 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 3: He did something that has gotten him suspended. We'll see 60 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 3: if his appeal is heard to the degree that the 61 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 3: punishment is overturned. We will see, but in this sea 62 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 3: of just like bad takes your piece. I nodded along 63 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 3: as I read every single word. 64 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, my take on it. 65 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 4: Well, it's kind of funny because I think over the 66 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 4: course of this year, and we've talked about it in 67 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 4: a number of different places, you and I about maybe 68 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 4: one of the underrated storylines of this entire season was 69 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 4: Jamar's growth as a person, as a player, as a leader, 70 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 4: as a sort of as a teammate, and as as 71 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 4: a focal point of the type of person they want 72 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 4: to build this organization around. I mean, it used to 73 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 4: be where you went right to Jamar after a game 74 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 4: and just couldn't wait to hear what he's gonna pop 75 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 4: off about it, or you'd see him on the field 76 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 4: doing other things or whatever. Just it was, you know, 77 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 4: he never was a captain, even when he was really 78 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 4: good young and younger. He's a young player, a young person. 79 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 4: You really saw him grow over the course of this 80 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 4: year and even the tail end of last year and 81 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 4: through the contract stuff, and I think the way that 82 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 4: a lot of that even was handled it was just notable. 83 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 4: And so for then this to happen and then it 84 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 4: all turns into this is a bad guy. 85 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: Is he's a terrible person. 86 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 4: It was just it didn't fit into really everything we'd 87 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 4: seen over a long period of time now with Jamar Chase. 88 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 4: And I understand why people say these things, but it's 89 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:02,679 Speaker 4: kind of like it's really, uh, you know, a microcosm 90 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 4: of our society in general. 91 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 2: This is what happens all the time. 92 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 4: One person makes a mistake and they are just eviscerated 93 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 4: for it, and people call them this, that and the other, 94 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 4: and there's no nuance, there's no perspective, there's no context 95 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 4: of a bigger picture, and and so it just you 96 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 4: could you could see this happening with with Jamar Chase 97 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 4: her like, this just doesn't fit everything that we have 98 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 4: seen for months and years now in terms of who 99 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 4: he's kind of started to become. And I just wanted 100 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 4: to point that out with the understanding that that was wrong, 101 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 4: that was ridiculous. He gets what's everything everything about it, 102 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 4: like everything about this instant, but like we all make mistakes, 103 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 4: we all have bad days like this, this doesn't follow 104 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 4: the pattern of what I just feel like I have 105 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 4: seen up close and heard from talking to people that 106 00:05:55,480 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 4: would really know and including Zach Taylor speaking yesterday about 107 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 4: kind of who Jamar Chase has been and just wanted 108 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 4: to kind of put that out there. 109 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 3: I said this to you on the Growler today, which 110 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 3: is out Paul Jay myself. 111 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: I was only on for thirty minutes. 112 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 3: It's a much longer podcast than that, thank god. I 113 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 3: I'll criticize z That Taylor for a lot of different things. 114 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 3: I thought he handled okay things yesterday. Okay, I thought 115 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 3: he handled the questions about Jamar and Chase. He acknowledged 116 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 3: what happened, didn't try to insult our intelligence and say, 117 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 3: oh no, actually you gotta watch the video and it happened, 118 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 3: certainly didn't condone it, which you can, but took up 119 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 3: for the character. 120 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 2: Of his guy. 121 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think that was also speaking to the 122 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 4: same things I was just saying in that, you know, 123 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 4: this is just it's someone who made a mistake. But 124 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 4: this is just not who he's been, and he not 125 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 4: who he's been in this building, not who he's been 126 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 4: to us, not who he's been for you know. And 127 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 4: they have had to deal with him extremely closely through 128 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 4: some tough situations, through the contract negotiations, through him losing 129 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 4: for the really the first time in his life the 130 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 4: last couple of years, right through stuff that he's gone 131 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 4: through on the field and now through not having Burrow 132 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 4: and emerging as this leader and the captain and all 133 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 4: that stuff, Like they've seen all of this. So I 134 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 4: think just to say it, to own up to the 135 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 4: mistake with an understanding of what it is, and but 136 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 4: also to point up, but this that's not going to 137 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 4: define who this person is, because it doesn't define who 138 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 4: this person is and everybody, you know, you move on 139 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 4: and you go forward, and they're not gonna stop building 140 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 4: around Jamar Chase, then fairness, I mean, yeah, he need 141 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 4: that needs to be his messaging because he's a big 142 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 4: part of what they do. 143 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 2: But that was genuine like that. 144 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 4: It certainly at least didn't come across as some sort 145 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 4: of thing trying to save the core of my team. 146 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 4: I think that was just genuine truth and honesty about 147 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 4: the way that he truly feels about who Jamar has 148 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 4: been as a player. 149 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 3: Do you think they'll hear his appeal, which is well, 150 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 3: if I meant to spit on him, I would have 151 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 3: spit in his face. 152 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 2: Do you think that's gonna carry much weight? Oh? 153 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 4: No, I mean, yeah, I know they'll hear it, right, 154 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 4: they are, I believe, legally obligated to listen, and then 155 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 4: they will hit the no button and we'll go on 156 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 4: about our lives. 157 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would imagine, and then next man up. So 158 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 3: this will be the Jermaine Burton game on Sunday? 159 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 4: Right, No, okay, well I mean no, I don't Yeah, no, 160 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 4: I don't. 161 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 2: That's that is uh, I don't think. 162 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, you think this is the feverishly diving into his playbook, 163 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 3: like you know what, this is my this is my opportunity. Yeah, 164 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 3: show up at the stadium if somebody can show him 165 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 3: where it is, and get there and get the work, 166 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 3: start grinding the tape. Tell inform Jermaine that they play 167 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 3: at one o'clock on Sunday. Tell him which team they play. Yeah, 168 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 3: I gets Jermaine nine catches one hundred and seven yards. 169 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 3: A couple of scores, the Jermaine Burton game, Jamainberg game. Yeah, 170 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 3: you're sure that's the way this goes. 171 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 4: I think, you know, you just hope you can get 172 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 4: to shows up at the stadium on time. Right, that's 173 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 4: probably the one that you're aiming for right now. It's 174 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 4: where the bar is. 175 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 3: What was most frustrating to me about Sunday. The Jamar 176 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 3: Chase stuff was a footnote to me, not that it 177 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 3: wasn't significant, but the big thing I had was the 178 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 3: sense of inevitability as the game went on. This was 179 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 3: going to be a game in the fourth quarter, and 180 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 3: when it was, Al Golden's unit was going to go 181 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 3: out on the field. This defense that Zach Taylor spent 182 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 3: the buy week telling people, not making changes, not making 183 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 3: changes personnel wise, not making changes with the coordinator was asked, 184 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 3: point blank, can you win a championship with this defense? 185 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 3: And he says, yes, okay, twenty to twelve, big boy, 186 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 3: you've managed the cl in ways that I can't even 187 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 3: wrap my brain around. Joe Flacca has played compromised, but 188 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 3: you're you're within a score and now Al and that 189 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 3: unit go and get a stop. And what we said 190 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 3: this last week, right, and this is gonna happen. So 191 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 3: but but you know this was coming out of the 192 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 3: by after all the statements about we're stand the course 193 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 3: status quo, Okay, validate that, and instead they go sixty 194 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 3: five yards and whatever it was, nine plays, ten plays, 195 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 3: it didn't matter. 196 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 2: It looked way too easy. 197 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 3: Ballgame over, season over, and what we thought was going 198 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 3: to happen becomes reality. 199 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 4: Is this is who they are. This is who they've been. 200 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 4: They've been this team all year. They they squeaked out 201 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 4: a couple cominds early the AFC North came back to him. 202 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 4: They were able to stay relevant. Joe Flacco came in 203 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 4: and that went better than they ever thought it could 204 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 4: have gone. Outside of that, this is it like they 205 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 4: are just historically awful on defense, and you mentioned it. 206 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 4: It's the fact that to me, it's not even just 207 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 4: the fact that they're bad. Okay, there's not enough talent 208 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 4: on this roster, right, undeniably, Yeah, truly just devoid of 209 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 4: talent on defense. Okay, they're not good enough. They have 210 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 4: all these problems. I can even live with some of 211 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 4: that if you look like you care. Like the lack 212 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 4: of effort on some of these plays, and obviously we 213 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 4: know the perpetrators here. At this point, Geno Stone certainly 214 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 4: stands out. Josh Newton does not get enough credit for 215 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 4: how little effort he puts in out there when he 216 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 4: has been out there. 217 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: I want to make sure he gets a reference. 218 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 4: But there's others, okay, and then the bad play is 219 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 4: the bad play, but like it's the lack of effort 220 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 4: and the lack of going for it, the lack of 221 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 4: acting like you want to try to tackle number eighty, 222 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 4: you have any interest in it, Okay, you want to 223 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 4: try to be in the right, You want to take 224 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 4: on the lock in the alley, you want to get 225 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 4: your head in there and try to make the play 226 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 4: and stream. So when we talk about I was like, 227 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 4: I feel bad honestly continuing to trot out these stats 228 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 4: and Jay does the same thing. 229 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 2: That just shows how bad it is. 230 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 4: It's I think when you pinpoint the second half stuff 231 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 4: where where you say they're not just the worst, true 232 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 4: media only goes back to two thousands, so I can't 233 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 4: like do the full dat and triangles. Sure, but when 234 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 4: you just look at that every team since two thousand, 235 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 4: they're not just the worst ass for halftime there's been 236 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 4: of any team. They're not even close to the second worst. 237 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 4: It's it's the jarring distance between them and the next 238 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 4: worst team this century that blows you. When the games 239 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 4: get harder, when it when it hurts more, when it's 240 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 4: a bigger moment. All of these things that happened this 241 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 4: year in the second halves when it's just tougher to 242 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 4: do these guys don't do it. They quit, they give up, 243 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,719 Speaker 4: there's no strain. I think there's plenty of good guys that. 244 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 2: It matters to them on that side of the. 245 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 4: Ball, but there's too many where it doesn't and it 246 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 4: just doesn't matter enough. It certainly doesn't matter enough for 247 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 4: them to have the grit then the griminess that we 248 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 4: saw that was a tenant of those twenty one and 249 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 4: twenty two defenses to make that play, to know what 250 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 4: that takes. There is none of that on that side 251 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 4: of the ball at the end of games. And that's 252 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 4: been such a huge part of this every single time 253 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 4: they've been in a close one, and it was there. 254 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 4: It was again on Sunday, and kind of a fitting 255 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 4: final stands out, I think for any realistic chances for 256 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 4: this team with only seven games to go, seven more 257 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 4: of these, though, Hey, and don't worry, it gets so 258 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 4: much easier, Drake may Lamar Jackson twice, Josh Allen, it 259 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 4: gets so much easier. 260 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 2: But like there's the question, how much worse is this 261 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 2: going to look? Like? 262 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 3: Forget how much worse is this going to get? They're 263 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 3: going to lose more games. They're probably gonna lose more 264 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 3: games in spectacular fashion. They may lose games while Joe 265 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 3: Burrow is playing for them. More losses are coming. But 266 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 3: if that's what it looked like on Sunday with a 267 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 3: shred of hope remaining, what is this gonna look like 268 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 3: when all hope has been exhausted? And how is that 269 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 3: gonna reflect on people who could be working for their 270 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 3: jobs right now? 271 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 2: Right? 272 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's hard to know. I mean, I 273 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 4: I don't think we've seen the bottom. 274 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 2: I mean, these. 275 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 4: Next one of these next four games is gonna look 276 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 4: like Minnesota is gonna look like I mean. 277 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 2: That's just what it's. 278 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 4: There's just the state that they're in right now defensively, 279 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 4: even for all the good things that they're doing on offense, 280 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 4: one of these games is gonna get out of hand 281 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 4: with a couple of turnovers and we're gonna see it 282 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 4: just spiral that. 283 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 2: That's what this is. That's what this is playing out. 284 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 2: The string is gonna be. 285 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 4: And you know, I'm always interested, as someone who's been 286 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 4: around here a while, I've seen the string played out before. 287 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 2: Uh huh. 288 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 4: It's doesn't always go the way you think sometimes there 289 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 4: is some fight and then around here we always you know, 290 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 4: it's to send them home happy they win a couple 291 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 4: of games in the end of the year. But sometimes 292 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 4: even in playing out the string of team surprises you 293 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 4: in some ways. I will tell you, some serious fight 294 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 4: coming from this defense would surprise me in some ways. 295 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 4: I think you're seeing it in some spots, but like, yeah, 296 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 4: there's there's no sense that like, oh man, there you're 297 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 4: seeing it's close. 298 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 2: I think you saw it. Get look closer because the 299 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 2: Steelers offense is terrible. 300 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it doesn't feel like all of these How 301 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 4: is this tackling thing? How is this still hit? How 302 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 4: is anticipating balls that are checked down to running backs 303 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 4: and tight ends still it? How is it the same 304 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 4: problems over and over again? You know it's that there's 305 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 4: no reason to believe that that's gonna change. 306 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 3: Twenty minutes after three o'clock, Paul dannerje, you're so dark, 307 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 3: it is. But I keep coming back to like it 308 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 3: feels like week fifteen, and you're like, just let's scrape 309 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 3: the last two games off the plate and move on. No, 310 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 3: we're not the Thanksgiving yet, No, No, we have this 311 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 3: season will end in January. 312 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 2: We're only midway, partially midway through November. Three holidays to 313 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 2: go right. 314 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a long way off. 315 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: It's a long way off. 316 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 3: So they're interesting from that perspective, like how much worse 317 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 3: will this look? 318 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 2: How will this gets? I mean, I think, what will 319 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 2: rock bottom look like in two or three weeks? 320 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 3: What is Thanksgiving Night gonna be like? When wet's great, 321 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 3: the entire country to this crap on a federal holiday? 322 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh god? Oh man? 323 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 4: How and how impactful will the way it looks be 324 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,479 Speaker 4: on the end game decisions amongst the people that are 325 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 4: in charge of this thing. 326 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 3: Twenty one after three Paul Danner, Junior Athathletic dot Com 327 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 3: and the Growler Podcast. The latest episode is out, as 328 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 3: we say, where you get your podcasts, We're at Oakley 329 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 3: Greens in Oakley. 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Yeah? 355 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 4: I mean I think, you know, doubtful again obviously this week. 356 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 4: So I think we're just sort of under the impression 357 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,959 Speaker 4: that he's not coming back till he's one hundred percent 358 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 4: and I don't know when that will be. I don't 359 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 4: think anybody knows when that will be. I think it 360 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 4: is understandably but speculative to say how much of this 361 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 4: is involved with his situation, the team situation. I don't know. 362 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 4: You know, when we talked to him before the bye week, 363 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 4: he said, look, I I would like to come. 364 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 2: I might have come back too early. 365 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 4: I want to make sure I'm all the way one 366 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 4: hundred percent right to go play out there when I 367 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 4: do go back out there. This seems to be the 368 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 4: suggestion that he wants to return, but they really needed him. Yes, 369 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 4: And it's and you know, it's easy to sit there 370 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 4: and say that. Like to me, the thing that I 371 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 4: keep saying when people ask me this is no one 372 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 4: knows Trey mm hm. No one knows but Trey about 373 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 4: the decision that he's making. We, obviously, because of the situation, 374 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 4: can speculate on what has gone on the last couple 375 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 4: of weeks and what will go on the rest of 376 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 4: the year. There is No, it is not my place 377 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 4: to say this guy can play through this, right, No 378 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 4: one really knows the level of paint whatever. The Bengals 379 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 4: also are complicit in this. They put themselves in the 380 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 4: situation where people don't feel like they do have to 381 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 4: sell out. They are going to be looking out for 382 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 4: themselves to make sure that they're one hundred percent because 383 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 4: they're about to head into free agency of offseason because 384 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 4: you didn't deliver a long term contract. We talked about 385 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 4: this with t Higgins at this point in time last 386 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 4: year when he was missing games. This is that's that's 387 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 4: part of where you put yourself. So I don't I don't. 388 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 4: I can't say with certainty anything about what is if 389 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 4: Trey should or should not be playing, or what's going on. 390 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 4: I think there's there's probably something in the middle there 391 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,959 Speaker 4: in terms of what is is actually going on, but 392 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 4: only only Trey really knows. 393 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 2: And you know that's the decision that he's made. 394 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 3: I need for me, I need a Joe Burrow December surprise. 395 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 3: We're after a game that I assume he's going to 396 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 3: play in. He informs everybody that he wants Trey Hendrickson back, Right, 397 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 3: you want that well, I mean as a fan, not 398 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 3: really kind. 399 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 2: Of ready to move on for for your your content, 400 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 2: seven weeks, okay, we need last year in Dallas to happen. 401 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 3: We need we have seven games, Okay, I I could 402 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 3: use a plot twist. 403 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 2: So yes, well that's. 404 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 4: That's the other thing, you know, like we we go 405 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 4: back and think about when they were at four and 406 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 4: eight last year and it was like, how the hell 407 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 4: are we going to get home? 408 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: Right? How are we going to get to the end 409 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 2: of this year? Brow took care of that for us. 410 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 4: Joe Burrow took care of it, and it became him 411 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 4: and t and Jamar and the whole plan and the 412 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 4: Dallas and all of that stuff. In the drunk game 413 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 4: in Tennessee, like all of those things happened and made 414 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 4: it interesting, you know, made it made it. I don't 415 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 4: I don't know like what that Maybe that is coming. 416 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 4: I'm sure there'll be something. There's always drama in CNFL, 417 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 4: but something besides who's gonna get fired that can get 418 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 4: us through December. Hopefully there's something like that. But I 419 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 4: don't know that that's gonna be it. 420 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 2: Okay, Well I can hope, Yeah, you can hope. Man, 421 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 2: It just feels done, doesn't it. 422 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 3: It does, and it feels like it should have been done. 423 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 3: And you and I have talked about this exhaustively. You've 424 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 3: written about this, you've done this on your podcast, you've 425 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 3: talked about it with me. This, Trey Hendrickson, this year 426 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 3: feels like Marvin Lewis twenty eighteen, where it's like, you 427 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 3: know what, when it kind of felt like it. 428 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 2: Was time to move on, we should have moved on. 429 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 3: Yes, And now the two side are just lingering and 430 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 3: it's weird and it's awkward, and it's it's not the 431 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 3: best marriage and for all parties involved, it should have ended. 432 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 3: It should have ended months ago. 433 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 4: Yes, and yeah, absolutely, because it's just everybody would have 434 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 4: been better off. But and it just it's this is 435 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 4: that this is that end part or where you just 436 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 4: like there's just where they're they're in the divorce hearings probably, 437 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 4: and there's just like resentment and staring across the table watching. 438 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 2: Them eat, like I hate the way you eat. You know, 439 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 2: it just feels like it's like that right now. 440 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 3: As a veteran of divorce, I I could tell you 441 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 3: my main objective was to avoid acknowledging we're getting divorced, 442 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 3: but hey, we're gonna live with each other for a 443 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 3: few weeks. I wasn't doing that and this is why, 444 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 3: because this is what they're doing. Yes, and it's it's 445 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 3: not good for anybody. 446 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 2: No, it's it's not. 447 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 4: But you know, here we are, we're None of this 448 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 4: is good for anybody right now. 449 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 3: Neither is Geno Stone. 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I don't 474 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 4: think get to fly anywhere or anything of that. They 475 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 4: can just a little zoom with Jordy Nelson, uh and 476 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 4: then then a report back of what that appeal finding is. 477 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 3: So would they just go get like random players from 478 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 3: the early twenty tens and they. 479 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 2: Hear the appeals? I think they're part of it's a 480 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 2: predetermined committee. Yes. Yeah. 481 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 3: College basketball Tonight, Xavier is hosting Old Dominion at seven 482 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 3: o'clock on seven hundred WLW, Kentucky and Michigan State play 483 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 3: at Madison Square Garden at six thirty pregame at five 484 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 3: on ESPN fifteen thirty. The Cyclones played this against the 485 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 3: Toledo Walleye and won five to four. Field trip day, 486 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 3: they had nearly thirteen thousand fans downtown. 487 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 2: My daughter was there. I saw the press release and 488 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 2: I'm like, did I have gone to that game? Yeah? Yeah, 489 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 2: I was. 490 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 4: The schools all sent everybody down there to go to 491 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 4: the game. We were talking all about the rules, and 492 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 4: I said, wait, who. 493 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 2: Do they play? Did they play the Walleye? That's always 494 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 2: my favorite? And I'll be dog gone there they were. 495 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 2: They were playing the Wall. 496 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 3: The Cyclones play the Walleye about forty five times, wheeling 497 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 3: Naylor's the other thirty five games. 498 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:30,959 Speaker 2: Yeah. 499 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 3: The Columbus Blue Jackets play at Winnipeg tonight after winning 500 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 3: last night in Montreal four to three in a shootout. 501 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 2: Paul Danner Junior's here. We did get to explain the 502 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 2: penalty box to my daughter this one. It was just 503 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 2: kind of a fun. 504 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 4: Thing to to see the look on somebody's eye, like, wait, 505 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 4: they just they put them in a They just put 506 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 4: them over there and they shove them in a box. 507 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 3: You know, I'm not going to be home tonight, but 508 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 3: what I might do is call my daughter and tell her, Hey, 509 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 3: there were schools that got to go to a hockey 510 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 3: game today while you were sitting in school, and then 511 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 3: let my wife deal with that for the rest of 512 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 3: the evening. The neighborhood kids who go to I see 513 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 3: no problems here other schools when they have days off 514 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 3: and she doesn't. It's it's a thing in my house. 515 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 4: Oh no, you can't feel left out, Absolutely not, especially 516 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:14,959 Speaker 4: not one like that. 517 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 2: Joe Flacco hurt. I don't. I think he's okay? Yeah, 518 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 2: I mean I can only you know, we haven't. 519 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 4: We'll see if he participates in the same fashion that 520 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 4: he has. I mean he's hurt, is I guess the 521 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 4: question is is he injured more now than he was 522 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 4: last week when he didn't throw on Wednesday. 523 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think so. 524 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 4: But that's kind of going off the same thing that 525 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 4: you guys probably heard from the press conference and watching him. 526 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,239 Speaker 3: He's doing this weird thing where it looks like he 527 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 3: was trying to get his wallet out of his back 528 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:48,719 Speaker 3: pocket but he couldn't. 529 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not what you do when you're killing normal. 530 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 4: No, I I think he's I mean, I think they 531 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 4: felt like he was better heading into this previous this 532 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 4: game than he was certainly the week before. But they 533 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 4: felt like there was a significant difference there. 534 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 2: And first that TJ. Watt hit he knew what he 535 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 2: was doing. 536 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 4: Yes, like that that was not a that was clear 537 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 4: into the game, saying when I get a shot, I 538 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 4: might get a penalty, but I'm driving that shoulder into 539 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 4: the ground. I you know, this is from the same 540 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 4: group that was punching him the last time they played, right, 541 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 4: So you know, no, no surprise on that, but that, yeah, 542 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 4: that so maybe that was part of the impact he 543 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 4: seems to suggest. They seem just okay, that's one that 544 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 4: will probably that's all follow the actions situation. We'll see 545 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 4: what Wednesday and Thursday. 546 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 3: If if it were to be a thing where you 547 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 3: know what, Joe doesn't feel it, would they accelerate the 548 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 3: Joe Burrow timeline and have him play. 549 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 2: Against the Patriots. No, I don't think so. Jake Browning time, 550 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I think that would be the move. 551 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 2: I don't. 552 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 4: I don't see a world where they they ship Burrow 553 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 4: out there just because they're not sure where to go next. 554 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 2: Still hoping that Burrow plays on Thanksgiving. 555 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 4: I mean that's the first day that's even in play. 556 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 4: I would say, where there's even a conversation when. 557 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 3: When they add him to the excuse me, when they 558 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 3: add him to the active roster, what happens to Jake Browning? 559 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 4: I think he stays on. I think they go with three. 560 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 4: I mean they have three now, Clifford emergency, third hitch. 561 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 4: So I think that you probably still have the same 562 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 4: situation Clifford out in Burrow up is probably your keep. 563 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 4: Three around would be my guess. I don't think that 564 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 4: they just they boot Jake Browning out the door necessarily. 565 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 3: How on earth could you have Geno Stone on the 566 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 3: field for you on Sunday? 567 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 4: For me, no Ginostone, I would be done with it. 568 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 4: He wouldn't have been around Monday at this point, especially 569 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 4: when the defense is so bad. 570 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 2: It's just. 571 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 4: Put players out there that care, that will prove that 572 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 4: they want to do it, that are trying to do its, 573 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 4: showing the effort to go for it, and that they 574 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 4: care about trying to make the play. I'm just you know, 575 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 4: I go back were Charlie and I were talking about 576 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 4: something rewatch going through some of this place, and it's like, 577 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 4: I go back to I remember Lou and Orumo talking 578 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 4: about this when their team was just garbage in twenty nineteen, 579 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 4: and it was it was a tail end of sort 580 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 4: of like the act of the dune Lap thing was happening. 581 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 4: It felt like a lot of guys were checking out 582 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 4: and not really trying as much as they should to 583 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 4: the Miami game, right, But it felt like that was 584 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 4: the case, right, And his point was, on the sudden, 585 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 4: all of a sudden, like dudes you've literally never heard 586 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 4: of were out there and in big spots tire right, Yeah, 587 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 4: who I couldn't even I wish I could rip off 588 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,959 Speaker 4: all the names, but other than they were just as 589 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 4: obscure as it gets. And his point was, I just 590 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 4: want guys that I know are going to go out 591 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 4: there and try hard, even if they're nowhere nearest town, 592 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 4: to as the other guys, because if the effort's not there, 593 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 4: to me, That's where I'm at with this, Like, I 594 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 4: don't know what the problem is with Tyson Anderson's ability 595 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 4: to understand the defense or get people in the right 596 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 4: spots or all the other stuff that comes along with it. 597 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 4: I mean, it's not like we've seen him go out 598 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 4: there and fail to do it in the game. I've 599 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 4: seen him and quit himself pretty well on special teams. 600 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 4: And it's also by the way, and indictment on the 601 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 4: fact they didn't fill the safety room out properly. If 602 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 4: you're just gonna let this continue to happen because you 603 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 4: have no other answer, If you don't have an answer 604 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 4: that you're willing to put in there that could be 605 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 4: better than whatever we're seeing now, then you have failed 606 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 4: to fill out that room properly. Okay, So I just 607 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 4: to me, that's that's what I want to know. What 608 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 4: is what would be so bad about trying that? How 609 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 4: bad could it possibly be? I just think you have 610 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 4: to make a point of I'm just gonna put guys 611 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 4: out there that I know are gonna play hard. That's 612 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 4: what I want to I want to see guys that 613 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 4: are really going out. 614 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 3: With John Anthony PG Jewels literally anybody yes, and maybe 615 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 3: you have something there and maybe you don't. And if 616 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 3: you don't, okay, okay, what what are they gonna do? 617 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 2: Are they gonna be. 618 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 4: Now all of a sudden, No, they're not gonna be 619 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 4: any worse it's impossible to be worse. 620 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 3: I mean, Genostone, his play has spoken for itself. On Sunday, 621 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 3: the lack of effort spoke for itself, and then for 622 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 3: him to stand in the locker room and talk about, well, 623 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 3: actually I thought we played Okay. That guy's got some 624 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 3: big ones. Now, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna stand there 625 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 3: after just not trying it all to tackle Darnell Washington, 626 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 3: and I'm gonna look at everybody that was more insulting 627 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 3: to my intelligence than Jamar. 628 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 2: Chase and he didn't spit. 629 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 4: I would have been mortified to face anyone knowing what 630 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 4: I had put out there, and to not only not 631 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 4: be mortified and be like, you know, I thought we 632 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 4: were playing better. Yeah, there were some people maybe that 633 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 4: were right, like I thought. There were a few people 634 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 4: that looked like they were like Miles Murphy. Miles Murphy 635 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 4: out of Miles Murphy's had his two best games as 636 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 4: a pro. The last two games they've played like, maybe 637 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 4: something's happening there and you're seeing some effort. 638 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 3: Maybe right, But my point is he played, He played hard, 639 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 3: hustle plays, Chase plays all the stuff that we've kind 640 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 3: of talked about him not having the Gunde out there 641 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 3: and do it. 642 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 4: Like show me that show me Hustle plays, Chase plays stick. 643 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 2: In your head. 644 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 4: And I give credit to Barrett Carter for saying, I'm 645 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 4: trying to bring Darnell Washington down. 646 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 2: That's fine. You know what. 647 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 4: You You went out there and you got post rized, 648 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 4: and and that's fine. That is way better than what 649 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 4: happened next when when you Ginos Done goes out there 650 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 4: and gives. 651 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 2: The half shoulder situation. 652 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 4: So I'm just I think there's such a drastic difference 653 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 4: in the two. I'll I'll live with Barrett Carter's mistakes, 654 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 4: and there's so many of them. I mean, yeah, I'm 655 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 4: not saying I would want to, but you you live 656 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 4: with that way more than I live with whatever's happening 657 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 4: with some of the other guys things. 658 00:33:58,400 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 2: Here's how bad things have gone. 659 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 3: I don't know if you were on social media last night, 660 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 3: but the Cowboys were playing the Raiders and what was 661 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 3: not a great Monday night football game. And what we're 662 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,280 Speaker 3: doing now is we're hate watching Logan Wilson, and folks 663 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 3: are arguing about whether or not Logan Wilson is playing 664 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,919 Speaker 3: well or not playing well, and this is where things 665 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 3: have gotten. 666 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 2: This is the depth. This is as a fan, this 667 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 2: might be rock bottom. 668 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 3: I look on social media and the discussion is Logan 669 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 3: Wilson looks good. 670 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 2: No he doesn't. 671 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 3: We're arguing over Logan Wilson, who was benched wasn't making 672 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 3: plays before he got benched. That's where things are right now. 673 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 4: I've been I've done multiple shows this week where we've 674 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 4: said the phrase what about like Braylon Lux and Jalen Davis, 675 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 4: And I'm like, I cannot believe we've reached the Jalen 676 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 4: Davis and Braylin Lux portioned into the program. But it 677 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 4: does go there, like right, I don't know, man, Like 678 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 4: maybe those guys will go out there and tire. Maybe 679 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 4: we need more Joe Giles Harris in our life like that. 680 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 2: It's just that. 681 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,399 Speaker 4: So but I'm saying, like, it's that's where that's where 682 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,720 Speaker 4: it's at, man, And I don't we got. 683 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 2: A guy named Joe Giles Harris. Yeah, okay, yeah, we 684 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 2: can play a game by the end of the year. 685 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 3: We did this with Austin once because he tried to 686 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 3: claim he was an Ohio State basketball fan, and I said, 687 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 3: we're gonna play a game. I'm gonna give you three names. 688 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,399 Speaker 3: You have to pick the one that's the Ohio State 689 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 3: basketball player. He of course failed miserably. We can do 690 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 3: the same with like guys who are playing for the 691 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 3: Bengals weeks. 692 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,959 Speaker 2: Sixteen through eighteen. Yeah, okay, we'll do that. 693 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:37,280 Speaker 3: Joe Giles, Harris Kenny Johnson, and Michael. 694 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,240 Speaker 2: Kowalski. Yeah, pick the Bengal. Picked the Bengal. 695 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, We're get it out with the twenty nineteen guys. 696 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,800 Speaker 4: I guess, yeah, that would that would be fun. We 697 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 4: go back to that list. I might have to pull 698 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 4: up the uh, the actual box score from that game. 699 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 2: To frustrate. 700 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 3: One of the many, many, many frustrating things is and 701 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 3: we got to break here, and you gotta go. 702 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 2: But the Pittsburgh Steelers are not good. 703 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 3: No, the Baltimore Ravens I think are the odds on 704 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:03,720 Speaker 3: favorite to win the division. 705 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 2: They probably will. 706 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 3: They're okay, like, this division stinks to waste you wrote 707 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 3: that after the game, to waste this division? 708 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 2: There was stinks right in front of you, Right in 709 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 2: front of you. 710 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 4: All you had to do was put an okay defense 711 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 4: together and you would have been treated to the story 712 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 4: of Joe Flacco handing the torch to Joe Burrow. You 713 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 4: would have been treated with that because you'd be sitting 714 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 4: there at whatever, five and four, whatever you wanted to 715 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 4: be sitting there at. You had all of that in 716 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 4: front of you. But the defense was this bad, and 717 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 4: so instead we have these seven games in front of us. 718 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 3: Joe Giles Harris joined the Bengals, recently activated from Nyack, 719 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 3: New York. His brother plays for the Denver Outlaws of 720 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 3: the Premier Lacrosse. I'm learning all about Joe Giles Harris. 721 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 3: He was signed to the active rosster October thirties. It's 722 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 3: a big week for him. 723 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 2: Patriots Week former Patriots. 724 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,800 Speaker 3: Oh you know when you get into like the Wikipedia 725 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 3: pay and there's multiple parentheses first stin Patriots, Jags, Bengals. Yeah, 726 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 3: I mean a lot of stints for Joe. 727 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 2: Well, good luck to him. 728 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 3: I hope he's you mean you watching him play a 729 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 3: lot more. Fortunately alcohol is legal. Thank you very much, 730 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 3: so pleasure and we'll talk to you two weeks. 731 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 2: Looking forward to it. 732 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 3: Enjoy your time away, enjoy Thanksgiving in Baltimore, and thank 733 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 3: you as all get wait. Listen to the Growler podcast, 734 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,840 Speaker 3: watch the Growler podcast on YouTube. 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