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Speaker 1: From the fish filled Midwest lakes to the deep woods

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Speaker 1: of the North upland prairies filled with pheasants, to the

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Speaker 1: whistling wings of duck ponds. This is Saturday Morning Fan Outdoors,

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Speaker 1: your show for hunting and fishing tips, topics and conversations.

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Speaker 1: You can also send us a question or opinion by

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Speaker 1: emailing us booth at kfean dot com. Here's your host,

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Speaker 1: the Fans, Captain Billy Hildebrand.

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Speaker 2: Good Morning Fan Outdoors, Faithful.

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Speaker 3: Yes, six a m. Saturday October fourth, YEP. I can't

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Speaker 3: believe it, but it is what it is, and we'll

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Speaker 3: make the very best of it.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be a great day.

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Speaker 3: Just keep telling yourself that, I'll I poke my head

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Speaker 3: out and I let the dogs out.

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Speaker 2: And do their business.

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Speaker 3: I think it's dark, and you know that if you

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Speaker 3: open your eyes at all, But it's I think it

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Speaker 3: must be cloudy because there's I can't see a star

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Speaker 3: in the sky. And as far as the forecast from

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Speaker 3: my studio, my private studio right up here in Sock

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Speaker 3: Center on socc Lake, looking out at a few lights

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Speaker 3: across the lake, a few tower lights quite a ways away,

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Speaker 3: a white one and a red one blinking off and on,

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Speaker 3: and then there's a strobe going school someplace, but I

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Speaker 3: don't know where that is. Anyway, it is right now.

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Speaker 3: I think it's about sixty sixty eight degrees as I

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Speaker 3: look at a thermometer right here and a high up

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Speaker 3: heier of eighty six degrees, and the forecast for the

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Speaker 3: Twin Cities and up here is about the same. When

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Speaker 3: it comes to wind Yep, we are going to have

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Speaker 3: fifteen to twenty five mile an hour out of.

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Speaker 2: The south and it's going to be hot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but this is probably one of the final days

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Speaker 3: of the heat and then it's going to be more

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Speaker 3: seasonal and it'll struggle midweek to get up to sixty degrees.

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Speaker 2: So enjoy this.

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Speaker 3: Second round of summer and all that you can. And

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Speaker 3: if you're a golfer, as my producer my executive producer

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Speaker 3: is mister Brett Blakemore, I hope that you get out

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Speaker 3: on the links and.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy yourself just a little bit. But it's it's almost hot.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's no, it is hot. I'm not that's.

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Speaker 4: Not that anything but that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but we're not going to for the next few

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Speaker 3: months after this, we won't experience a lot of hot,

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Speaker 2: A little lot, could be a lot cooler.

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Speaker 3: Last weekend is I told everybody I told you too,

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Speaker 3: that I was going duck hunting for the first time

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Speaker 3: in a long time, in a number of years, and

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Speaker 3: I man, I grew up duck hunting and absolutely love waterfowling,

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Speaker 3: love it well. My oldest son invited both Chad and

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Speaker 3: myself to come out to their least land for the

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Speaker 3: opener this year, and the three of us being together

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Speaker 3: was really fun. And I've told a number of times

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Speaker 3: I've told people that you introduce your children to the

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Speaker 3: outdoors the things that you dearly love to do, because

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Speaker 3: although you're making time when they're growing up, there will

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Speaker 3: come a point that they'll invite you to go along

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Speaker 3: with them. This weekend was that time, and it was

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Speaker 3: really really fun. They have leased land out in western

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Speaker 3: And when I got there, there were three wheeled fish

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Speaker 3: houses already in the yard because they had gone up beforehand.

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Speaker 3: The weeds were no chest high because nobody had been there,

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Speaker 3: Three fish houses were kind of gathered around, plugged into power,

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Speaker 3: We were in Eric's ice castle, and that's just a

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Speaker 3: and it was just Cala, Eric, Chad and myself and

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Speaker 3: those kind of things and once in a while you'd

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Speaker 3: hear a few wings going over. But it was just

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Speaker 3: we were right on the money and there wasn't many

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Speaker 3: that's when maybe when the season started at noon on

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Speaker 3: some birds came in and there was some teal up there.

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Speaker 3: They came in and they banked over the decoys and

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Speaker 3: They swung on it and one foot was on a

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Speaker 2: In the first shot, I kind of lost my balance.

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Speaker 3: Nothing to be serious, but I was kind of embarrassed

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Speaker 2: The recoil did it. That's where that's my story and

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Speaker 2: I'm sticking to it. Anyway.

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Speaker 3: The next shot was totally different, nice shot. Bird came

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Speaker 3: and we about nine thirty ten o'clock. The shooting was

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Speaker 3: We ended up with that morning, opening morning, we ended

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Speaker 3: up with ten ducks, six hooded at mergansers, and that's

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Speaker 3: the limit. I don't know where all these Morganzas come from,

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Speaker 3: but Eric had said, never before have they had that

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: But we called it a day and we got back

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Speaker 3: to the to the farmyard with the traders and other

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Speaker 3: folks are coming back by to it ended up I

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Speaker 3: think we had twenty five total for.

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Speaker 2: Two, four.

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Speaker 3: Six, and then we would be eight for eight, so

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Speaker 3: there was not even close to a limit. But it

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Speaker 3: was just a marvelous, marvelous time. The next morning, Sunday morning,

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Speaker 3: as is often the case, on day two, we saw

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Speaker 2: But it was.

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Speaker 3: Really fun. I had forgotten how much fun it is.

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Speaker 3: Called set some geese, they didn't respond, called it a

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Speaker 2: It was good, but nothing, nothing.

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Speaker 3: Spectacular, but just the experience itself once again was absolutely

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Speaker 3: phenomenal and for that I want to thank Eric and

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Speaker 3: Chad for inviting me to come along. So as I say,

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Speaker 3: introduce your child, make the time of your time to

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Speaker 3: will invite you to accompany them. So that's pretty much it.

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Speaker 3: Next weekend. This weekend is just kind of think about it.

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Speaker 3: I've got a whole bunch of men dollards that are

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Speaker 3: hang around every day making a mess out of my dock.

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Speaker 2: But that's okay.

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Speaker 3: I'm nobody's going to shoot at those well, and they

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Speaker 3: one person. When my grandson comes out, he is just

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Speaker 3: five years old, and he really likes to sit down

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Speaker 2: And there's quite a few drakes in that group too.

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Speaker 2: They're young birds.

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Speaker 3: But and for me, this last week, I've been thinking

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Speaker 3: about pheasant season. I've had the dogs out every day

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Speaker 3: this week. We have gone out fairly early in the morning,

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Speaker 3: by about eight o'clock. Then I've got one of Chad's dogs, Rex,

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Speaker 3: who's a Brittany, and my own bree dog, and we've

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Speaker 3: been going and doing some walking and I'm finding much

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Speaker 3: but every single one of.

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Speaker 2: Them are young. They're young of the year.

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Speaker 3: They aren't feathered out. I mean they're feathered, but they

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Speaker 3: are not colored out. And we're just thoroughly and I

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Speaker 3: am thoroughly enjoying it. The dog's doing great. Rex went

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Speaker 3: on point and he's two. Pri is four and she

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Speaker 3: hasn't had much of a chance to hunt because I've

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Speaker 3: so I can't do that.

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Speaker 2: And it's Breeze turned.

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Speaker 3: To be on the A team, but it is Rex

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Speaker 3: went on point, pre honored be something that's natural. But

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Speaker 3: I was really really impressed. And they've both got phenomenal noses.

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Speaker 3: But again, the birds that took flight, and even the

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Speaker 3: birds they didn't find, but the ones that took flight

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Speaker 3: were young, juvenile birds. So if you get out, you're

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Speaker 2: Are young.

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Speaker 3: I had one that crowed, and that's the only one

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Speaker 3: hen and I'd lose my dogs on the tall blue stem.

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Speaker 2: It's just that the birds would come up and I

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Speaker 3: So the next weekend, Bob will be up here at

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Speaker 2: So it's going to be our annual opener.

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Speaker 3: And I do enjoy that too, and it's not so

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Speaker 3: much about getting it's about being there and doing it

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Speaker 3: and being together. And I hope you have something similar

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Speaker 3: that you thoroughly enjoy doing too. This morning, I think

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Speaker 3: we've got a pretty pretty good show lined up. We're

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Speaker 3: going to be joined by doctor Cameron Gallenberg of Barrington

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Speaker 3: Oaks Veterinary Hospital in Elk River shortly and we'll talk

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Speaker 3: with Cameron about some different things that you need to

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Speaker 3: be aware of as a gun dog owner, maybe just

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Speaker 3: as a dog owner, because it's all they all mesh

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Speaker 3: together and you want to take care of that buddy

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Speaker 3: of yours, because when you get the pheasant hunting that

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Speaker 3: four legged partner years, it's the most important partner you have,

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Speaker 3: promise guaranteed. And then we are going to take a

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Speaker 3: trip over to South Dakota. I believe we're going to

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Speaker 3: join mister Tom Dockin in his duck blind YEP. We'll

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Speaker 3: go on the scene with Tom Dockan and talk dogs

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Speaker 3: yet again, and then we will perhaps hear some hunting

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Speaker 3: sounds in the background, and we'll ask Tom to probably describe.

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Speaker 2: What his hunting situation is wherever he is.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure Tackle will be along, and mister Bob

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Speaker 3: by doctor Cameron Gallenberg, a veterinary medicine YEP from Barrington Oaks,

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Speaker 3: the place that I have been going for.

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Speaker 2: A long time, and.

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Speaker 3: They take great care of my dogs. I really thank

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Speaker 3: them all the time for that. And if you're looking

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Speaker 3: for a place to go, there is none better in

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Speaker 3: my opinion. Take that pause and we'll be right back

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Speaker 3: six am on a fan outdoors Saturday morning.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad to have you with us.

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Speaker 3: My cup of coffee has been filled a couple of times,

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Speaker 2: Our next guest.

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Speaker 3: I've known this lady for quite a while, yep, since

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Speaker 3: she was a small girl. But now she's not a

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Speaker 3: small girl. When the dog is barking, she is Doctor

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Speaker 3: Cameron Gallenberg.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what he's doing, but.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk some dogs, and I guess that's

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Speaker 3: a fitting background for that. But doctor Cameron, good morning.

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 5: Good morning, Billy. I'm doing well. How are you?

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Speaker 2: Not bad? Not bad? It's dark, though I'm not.

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Speaker 3: I don't think I'll ever get used to the darkness

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Speaker 3: in early morning, but that's okay.

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Speaker 5: I'll take that over being dark in the evening, though

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Speaker 5: I will too.

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Speaker 2: You're very right, You are very right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when when you come home from work and it's

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Speaker 3: I now that the waterfall season in Minnesota is underway there.

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Speaker 2: I wonder she can't see anything. It's so dark. I

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Speaker 3: And as soon as I get on there, obviously always

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Speaker 3: in the water when it comes to both waterfowling. That's

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Speaker 3: are some things that perhaps people should be aware of, Cameron,

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Speaker 2: What would you suggest?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, So the first thing, the obvious thing is just

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Speaker 5: checking your animal's records is to make sure that there's

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Speaker 5: still current on all their vaccines. The important thing is

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Speaker 5: to help protect against the diseases that we need them to.

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Speaker 5: The most obvious one you can think of right away,

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Speaker 5: it would be rabies, So that one's pretty scary. We

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Speaker 5: making sure that one's up to date. That one typically

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Speaker 5: every three years. That's the one that people get their

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Speaker 5: important one. That one's the one that some counties and

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Speaker 5: So rabies. The next one you can think of is

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Speaker 5: the distemper vaccine. That's the one that they call the

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Speaker 5: combination vaccine. That one's also super important, not as much

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Speaker 5: And then the last two to think about are a

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Speaker 5: And then the last one is one of the ones

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Speaker 5: the leptos borosis vaccine or the LEFTO vaccine. That one

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Speaker 5: actually the American Veterinarian Medical Association just in the last

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Speaker 5: this because leptosporosis is actually a bacteria that they can

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Speaker 3: That's a big one right now, Oh, cavern with the

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Speaker 3: if you mentioned kennel cough and some of the other

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so right after hunting, if you've noticed that your

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Speaker 5: But then the other thing too is that there's a

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Speaker 5: so that's always hard for a dog that's been hunting

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Speaker 3: Well with some of that camera, can the can the

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Speaker 2: And how treatable are they?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So lime disease is one that actually is only

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Speaker 5: dog specific. So each dog that has lime disease has

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Speaker 5: But when we talk about kennel kennel cough, when we

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Speaker 5: So it could be spread from your dog to you,

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Speaker 3: So interesting, you know, that makes it differ they try

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Speaker 3: It shook to people. The other thing that comes to mind, Cameron,

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Speaker 3: What things are, What diseases, if any, are transferred from

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great question. So lime is the one

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Speaker 5: oftentimes fatal kidney infection. It's rare that it does occur,

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Speaker 5: The next one that is not as common here, but

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Speaker 5: is called anaplasma, So the same thing. It's a bacteria

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Speaker 5: so what we get is that we get not enough

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00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 5: platelets in the body when we have anaplasma, and that

440
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 5: give be something that can be fatal. I've actually this

441
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 5: year we've actually had three or four cases of the

442
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 5: more serious type of anaplasma that we've had to hospitalize

443
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 5: the patients and really get after all the underlying causes

444
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 5: for them.

445
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 3: Now you mentioned the oral tick meds. I'm thinking that

446
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 3: those are the pills that are available through your ve

447
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 3: through yourself or other veterinarians that dogs can take and

448
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 3: not the topical meds.

449
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 5: Right right, So unless your dog has previously had seizures

450
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 5: or been diagnosed with seizures, we do recommend using that

451
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 5: oral fly and tick product because what that's going to

452
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 5: do is kill that take before they can transmit anything

453
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 5: bad to your dogs. So the other thing is that

454
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 5: when you have the oral flee in ticks, you're still

455
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 5: probably going to see live ticks on your animal before

456
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 5: they bite the dog. But once they bite the dog,

457
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 5: those ticks should die immediately. I do have some hunting

458
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 5: clients that what we do because they also they would

459
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 5: like to repel the ticks too, is that they will

460
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 5: use the topical flea and tick product too, So thinking

461
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 5: about options like Vectra or Frontline in conjunction with their

462
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 5: oral flea and ticks so that we get the fast

463
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 5: killing time, but then we also get the repellency, because

464
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 5: obviously we don't. I hate bugs. So even seeing the disgusting, well.

465
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: We're I'm out of time camera, and I didn't want

466
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 3: to be out of time because I had other questions

467
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: for you.

468
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 2: But I promise it.

469
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: I promised, I promise it would go fast, and it did.

470
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 3: And well, one more thing I've got one more question.

471
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: Dogs eat.

472
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 3: I don't know how come, but dogs eat deer poop

473
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 3: like it's candy, And is that going to hurt them?

474
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 5: Typically not so usually that's going to pass right through.

475
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 5: But what we get worried about is parasites that come

476
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 5: from the poop from the deer. So making sure that

477
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 5: your dog is routinely dewormed is something to think about,

478
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 5: or at the very least doing your year leaf sequel

479
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 5: testing when you're at the vet to make sure that

480
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 5: we don't have any of those parasites transmitted through. But

481
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,959
Speaker 5: most of the dogs that are out hunting have iron guts,

482
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 5: so usually it's not going to cause any sort of

483
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 5: GI upset or anything like that.

484
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 3: Cameron, fantastic, Thank you so much for agreeing to come on.

485
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 3: You did an awesome job and it's so good. I

486
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 3: hope you don't mind if I call you again sometime.

487
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 5: No, that's just fine. It's good to talk to you.

488
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: Billy, same here, Cameron, have a wonderful.

489
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 6: Day you see.

490
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 7: Bye bye bye bye.

491
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 3: Now that's Cameron Gallenberg from Barrington Oaks Veterinary Hospital. Extremely

492
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 3: knowledgeable and knows what she's talking about, So think about

493
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 3: some of the things if you own a dog, if

494
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 3: you're going to own a dog, or planning to own

495
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 3: a dog, or would like to own one, and I

496
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 3: guarantee once you own one, you'll never be without it too,

497
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 3: when it comes to hunting and buddies, and they're with

498
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 3: you all year long, and hunting is a small part

499
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 3: of the year, but it's an important part for you

500
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 3: and the dog. We're going to take a pause and

501
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 3: we'll come back with mister Tom Docan right after this.

502
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,719
Speaker 2: We're back. I'm starting to see some a little bit.

503
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 3: I can see the lake now, but that's about all.

504
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 3: I think you would be hard pressed if you're waterfowling

505
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 3: to differentiate the difference between male and female.

506
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: And you need to know that. Mm hm, you really do,

507
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 2: especially when it comes to Mallard's Yes.

508
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 3: But I think our next guest is here too, because

509
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: he and his wife Tina are out in the duck

510
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 3: blind as we speak.

511
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 2: So this is.

512
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 3: This is kind of neat because I was there last

513
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 3: weekend and those folks are there right now. Tom, good morning, sir,

514
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 3: Good morning, Billy. Well is it dark out where you are?

515
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 7: Well? It is, Yeah, we got a beautiful day coming

516
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 7: that's that son. You can kind of tell it's wanting

517
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 7: to come up over the horizons, clear sky. So it's

518
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 7: going to be it's going to be a great day

519
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 7: on the prairie for sure. You don't even have to

520
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 7: be able to get a duck to be able to

521
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 7: make it fun.

522
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say that, Tom, I've been there,

523
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: and I mean, that's a this is the best part

524
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: of the day.

525
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 7: Oh.

526
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 3: It last weekend when we were out, it was full,

527
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 3: the sky was full of stars, and I'm standing there

528
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 3: with the boys and looking skyward and I'm thinking, man,

529
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 3: you're just a speck of dust, buddy, you just see

530
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 3: you're something significant. It's just a wonderful, wonderful feeling.

531
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Speaker 2: Is this your opening?

532
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 7: No, No, it's been open for a little bit here.

533
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 7: Now it's you know, goose hunting open.

534
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 5: You know.

535
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 7: A while back early Goose and had some friends say that,

536
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 7: you know, I said, well, did you see any ducks

537
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 7: they're hunting over a wheat field to cut you know,

538
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 7: combine wheatfield. Sure, And they said, yeah, you know, we

539
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 7: had flocks of ducks work in that wheat. So it's

540
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 7: good to see we're hunting on water this morning. So

541
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 7: you know what it's like putting decoys out and watch

542
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 7: them bob around, and you know, the whole thing is good.

543
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 7: You know, you got to bring a thermoce of coffee

544
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 7: with you. It's quite a show.

545
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: It's phenomenal.

546
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 3: Tom and a couple of years ago, my youngest son

547
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 3: and I went out and I let him set the

548
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 3: decoys and carry them out.

549
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: I wasn't learning waiters, And.

550
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 3: When he got done, I could hear him splashing and things.

551
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 3: He thought they were way out in the slough. It

552
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 3: got light out and they were right next to shore.

553
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: He was just crushed.

554
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, been there, done that.

555
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: I know me too.

556
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, so we're Yeah, it's just something about just something

557
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 7: about these sunrises. You know, up in the Midwest or

558
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 7: the central part of the US, it's going to be

559
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 7: you know, you gotta enjoy it while you can because

560
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 7: November hits it. You know, you never know what you're

561
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 7: gonna get as far as the weather. You might be

562
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 7: froze up. So they're when a duck just right past us. Yeah,

563
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 7: we're not obviously not hunting yet. It's half hour before

564
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 7: sunrise here, so yeah, we're just taking in the show.

565
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 3: And you know that that morning when the when the

566
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 3: wings whistle overhead and in the darkness, Oh, that's just

567
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 3: to die.

568
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 2: That's wonderful.

569
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 7: Sound sounds like a couple of duck hunters talking here.

570
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, well now that uh, now that we know

571
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 3: where you are, is Tina ready and is she anxious

572
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 3: to go to every every duck hunter is this time

573
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 3: of day?

574
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 5: Oh?

575
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, you don't have to ask for twice if you

576
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 7: were going to go out in the morning. She's up

577
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 7: and adam and got everything loaded up and ready to go.

578
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 7: She's right here by me. So we're being able to

579
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 7: share this again, which is really great. You know, we

580
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 7: talked about this in the past. If you have the

581
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 7: opportunity to have wife, girlfriend, or your husband or whoever

582
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 7: with you when you're doing this, it just makes the

583
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 7: experience that much better.

584
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 2: It does.

585
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 3: It does, And you said earlier, Tom, it's not so

586
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: much the shooting or anything else, but it's the experience,

587
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 3: and that's pretty special. And there's only so many experiences

588
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 3: a person has to go around, and I think that

589
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 3: hunting and duck hunting is probably one of the more

590
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 3: special ones because of the way it begins and oftentimes

591
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 3: for me anyway, my morning hunt is done by about

592
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 3: nine to ten o'clock in the morning. Do your birds

593
00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 3: keep flying after that?

594
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 7: Well, this time, y're not really. You know, you start

595
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 7: getting when it's really getting cold and all the crops

596
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 7: are out right now, they're just combining beans and once

597
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 7: that corn comes out and it's cold, they got to

598
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 7: get moving. So a lot of times they'll go out

599
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 7: to feed and then they're going to come back to water,

600
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 7: you know, probably around ten o'clock or eleven o'clock, but

601
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 7: it depends on the time of the year. Right now,

602
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 7: you know, that first half hour is always seems to

603
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 7: be the best.

604
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're in South Dakota, correct. I should have

605
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 3: I had mentioned that out on the prairie, it is a.

606
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 2: Beautiful place to be. It's just so special. I can't

607
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 2: tell you about it.

608
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 3: With that being said, Tom, when you're on the prairie

609
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 3: like that, I'm assuming you're probably hunting private ground too.

610
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, But you know, really in South Dakota there's

611
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 7: so much walk in area that has slews on it,

612
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 7: nice sized bodies of water, so over here, you know,

613
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 7: they're really working to add more access so it's good.

614
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 7: And then waterfall production areas all of those things, and

615
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 7: then you know hunting pressure, you know, non resident hunting

616
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 7: pressure is is you know part of it. A lot

617
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 7: of people like to come over here and experience it too.

618
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 7: If you draw a license, you know, it's a ten

619
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 7: day it's a ten day permit, so normally opening weekend,

620
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 7: and then you know early part of that, you know

621
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 7: there's going to be more activity as far as hunters.

622
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 7: But tell you what, we were out this last week

623
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 7: and we heard one shot, you know, way way way

624
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 7: out in the distance, so it kind of gives you

625
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 7: an idea who might be out there, and also tells

626
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 7: you you know, we're early seasons, so the birds are

627
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 7: a little bit unpredictable.

628
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, how many dogs you have with us with you

629
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 3: guys this morning.

630
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 7: Well, we've got Gabby with us. That's Tina's dog. She's

631
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 7: sitting right on a dog stand right next to me

632
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 7: right now. Then Lucy, we kind of switch them off

633
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 7: a little bit. Lucy, she's our two year old labrador.

634
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 7: She'll go out, you know, so we kind of rotate

635
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 7: that back and forth. You know, hunting two dogs, duck hunting,

636
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 7: you get into the competition factor and yeah, they want

637
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 7: to you know they want to make the retrieve. So

638
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 7: having your dog honor another dog, yeah, we can do that.

639
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 7: It's not a problem. But you know, this time of year,

640
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 7: one dog is more than enough.

641
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. I totally agree.

642
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 3: And I know last last week when we were out

643
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 3: and we had Eric's dog as golden retriever, and man,

644
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 3: you know, to see your dog or somebody that you

645
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 3: care about's dog make some of the retrieves, that just

646
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 3: makes my day, Tom, I mean, she made. She was

647
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 3: just rockstar on her retrieves, going sometimes two to three

648
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 3: hundred yards to make a retrieve a cripple that they keep.

649
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: Diving and coming up, and.

650
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 3: She just swims in circles waiting for it to come

651
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 3: up and it pops up and then eventually it pops

652
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 3: up if you if it works right, pops up a

653
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 3: little too close and yep, you're coming back in with me.

654
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 7: Yeah. You know, after doing you know, dog training for

655
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 7: fifty years and doing all of that kind of stuff,

656
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 7: I get it's unbelievable. But I get just as excited

657
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 7: when you're hunting when you knock a bird down. It's

658
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 7: not doesn't have to be you know, super long range,

659
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 7: but knock a bird down maybe thirty four yards out there,

660
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 7: dog picked up, comes back in. It's it's still special.

661
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 7: Which boy, I'm glad for that.

662
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I oh, I am too, I mean I

663
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 3: really am. And yeah it's cool. So if people have

664
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 3: hunted last week and there's some things that they had

665
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 3: thought that they had down with their dog, as far

666
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 3: as maybe sitting and waiting, and it turns out in

667
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 3: the heat of the moment it wasn't final because the

668
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 3: dog broke, or is that something that you should go

669
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 3: back and work on now, or is that something that

670
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 3: is not really you're going to have to take more

671
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 3: time than just go back and refresh.

672
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think if you ahead of time, you know,

673
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 7: let's say you're out throwing dummies and doing some of

674
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 7: those things in the summer months, and then adding a

675
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,439
Speaker 7: gun you know, a gun shot. I mean, that's one

676
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 7: more thing that just sets them off. So those are

677
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 7: things that you should be doing in the summer months

678
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 7: for steadiness. And then you get to the hunting season.

679
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 7: Sure see what your dog is lacking if they know,

680
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 7: if they know the commands to begin with, but just

681
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 7: aren't following them. Yeah, in between hunts, you know, be

682
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 7: training specifically. Look at what an issue was and then

683
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 7: start working on that because you got you know, normally speaking,

684
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 7: if you're going on weekends, you got like four or

685
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 7: five days to brush that up. But breaking is probably

686
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 7: the number one thing for duck dogs. They get so excited.

687
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 7: And I know a lot of times what we'll do

688
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 7: is if we have a bird down on the water

689
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 7: and it's not going to drift away, it's just it's

690
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 7: just laying out there, might make the dogs wait ten

691
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 7: to fifteen minutes before we'll let them go out, and

692
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 7: that way they don't you know, get to the point

693
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 7: where they go gunshot, I'm gonna get sent immediately, and

694
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 7: then the next step from that is gunshot, I'm gone.

695
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,959
Speaker 7: So a lot of this has to do with preseason training.

696
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 7: But if you have a dog that's been steady in

697
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 7: the past, yeah, definitely. You know, all these sports teams,

698
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 7: you know, they play the game on the weekend and

699
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 7: then they go to practice again. You know, they're back

700
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 7: on practice, they're seeing what kind of things you don't

701
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 7: need to be worked on. Dog trains a lot the same.

702
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 2: Interesting.

703
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 3: You know, that's an interesting way to think about it,

704
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 3: because I hadn't very honestly, I hadn't thought of it

705
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 3: that way, but makes all the sense in the.

706
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 2: World, too much sense for this old guy. I just

707
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: it's gold common, but I don't have a whole lot

708
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 2: of that.

709
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's more than anything else. Whatever you practice, that's

710
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 7: what you're going to end up with when you're in

711
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 7: the blind. And keep in mind a lot of people.

712
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 7: You know, we have a retriever here today, but you know,

713
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 7: you go out, it hasn't started here yet, but you

714
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 7: go out and pheasant hunt and it's a flush. You know,

715
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 7: they give a chase and you know, and what happens

716
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 7: is you get a dog that they hear the gunshot.

717
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 7: They're used to running, you know, running to that bird

718
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 7: while they're on the move. So now you're asking them, okay, gunshot,

719
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 7: you have to sit in the blind and not go.

720
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 7: So you know, you have mixed messages there. But hey,

721
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 7: they're more than capable of being able to do both.

722
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I agree. It's the it's.

723
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 3: The hunter that oftentimes can't do can't be versatile enough.

724
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 2: And I put myself in that category too.

725
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 7: Well, think about you're trying to shoot and then you're

726
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 7: trying to, you know, keep a dog steady at the

727
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 7: same time. But we have a youngster, you know that

728
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 7: we're just kind of bringing up. But they're you know,

729
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 7: they could go in the duck blind potentially. Just put

730
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 7: a lead on them, you know, just put a little

731
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 7: six foot lead on them, and we'll always have on

732
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 7: the first duck hunt, we'll always have a somebody with

733
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 7: us that can shoot, and you know, just pay attention.

734
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 7: Then I could pay attention to the dog and make

735
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 7: it a positive experience because you know, every time they

736
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 7: go out, they break, and if they get disciplined for breaking,

737
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 7: pretty soon you've taken that joy, you know, totally away

738
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 7: from the dog. So it just depends on age. Gabby

739
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 7: right now is four, so our expectations on her, you know,

740
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 7: from the time that she was probably a little over

741
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 7: a year and a half. You know, this is how

742
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 7: we're going to do things. And you know, hunting is

743
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 7: kind of like game day.

744
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah it is game day, it really is.

745
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 3: It's time to shine then, and yeah, Tom, we have

746
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 3: to take a pause. Can you stay with me for

747
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 3: another segment? Absolutely wonderful. I don't mean to take you

748
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 3: away from a hunt, my friend, But.

749
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 7: Still too early to be shooting.

750
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 3: We're good okay, all right, well that's that's important. And

751
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 3: I can oh, Tom, just thinking about you being there,

752
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 3: it's so cool.

753
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 7: It's just so.

754
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 3: Anyway, we will take a pause and be back with

755
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 3: more with Tom Doc and right after this Tom dock

756
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 3: and from the duck blind.

757
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll be right.

758
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 3: Back two minutes after the hour of seven o'clock on

759
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: a fan outdoor Saturday. I am Billy Hildebrand, and we

760
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,479
Speaker 3: have achieved some light in this day.

761
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: Yep.

762
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 3: I can now see the water, see what's going on,

763
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 3: and the the yard lights across the lake are becoming

764
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:55,919
Speaker 3: dimmer and dimmer, and it's just turning into a real

765
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 3: nice day, cloudy but nice day.

766
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: And our guest is mister.

767
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 3: Tom Takin, who is docan who is out hunting or

768
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 3: right now as we speak with his wife Tina, and

769
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 3: they're awaiting the time where they're able to shoot. Tom,

770
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 3: how much time do you have before shooting time begins

771
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 3: out in South Dakota.

772
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 7: We have no more time. Seven o two, seven oh two.

773
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 7: Tita's got her gun ready, dog's ready. So we're yeah,

774
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 7: that sun's gonna come over the horizon. Actually this morning

775
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 7: we're going to be looking into the sun but uh,

776
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 7: I love those sunrises. I just do. It's just part

777
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 7: of this whole thing. So yep. So if you hear

778
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 7: some shooting, uh, that's what's gonna happen. We've had some

779
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 7: ducks fly by here kind of singles, uh, you know,

780
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 7: flying up and down. We're kind of on a channel

781
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 7: that is that goes into a main lake channel probably

782
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 7: seventy five yards wide, you know what. We kind of

783
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 7: count on as them coming up and down this channel.

784
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 7: So yeah, but we already had one land like, you know,

785
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 7: ten fifteen feet from us in the declay, So that

786
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 7: was fun.

787
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 3: It's always fun sometimes. Yeah, it's just more fun than

788
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 3: other times sometimes. And then when when they discover you're

789
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 3: you're there, it's just kind of a panic situation where

790
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 3: they're getting the heck out of Dodge right then.

791
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: Yep.

792
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 3: But and I hate to take you away from hunting, Tom,

793
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 3: but I well, feel free to drop the phone and

794
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 3: I'll just jabber on. If you've got to pick your

795
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 3: gun up and shoot, I don't mind.

796
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, Tina's got us covered. She's got covered right now.

797
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 7: She's a really good shot too, So you know there's

798
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 7: this time of year, you know she's out at least

799
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 7: with her dog. You know, almost every day, you know,

800
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 7: whether it's just sitting in the blind and and maybe

801
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 7: something flies by, it doesn't. If it's soon as peasant opens,

802
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 7: then it gets busy duck hunting first thing in the morning.

803
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 7: You know, pheasants open at around ten o'clock and make

804
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 7: for a busy day. And if you wanted to sit

805
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 7: in the deer stand for archery anyways, you have a

806
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 7: full day of things that can happen, you know, Dutch

807
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 7: in the morning, pheasants in the afternoon, you know, deer

808
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 7: you know in the evening. So yeah, that's that's our

809
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 7: social schedule for this time of year.

810
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 2: I love it.

811
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 8: Well, you know, I always have I when it's pheasant

812
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 8: hunting time, Tom, I always you know, starting we started,

813
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 8: as you know, we start at nine o'clock in Minnesota,

814
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 8: and I always have visions.

815
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 3: Of, uh, we're gonna walk all day and we're gonna

816
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 3: we're gonna get this in the golden hour right at

817
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 3: the end, it's gonna be awesome. And invariably by one o'clock,

818
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 3: i'm pretty much two o'clock, I'm pretty much all in,

819
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 3: and the day is probably close to over for this guy,

820
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 3: it's just but there's a everybody has that, that thought

821
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 3: that they're gonna they're gonna just they're gonna do great,

822
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 3: and then it's gonna walk all day and they're just

823
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 3: I just don't have enough fat gas in the tank.

824
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 7: Well, hopefully as we get older and smarter, we picked

825
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 7: the times a day where the birds are gonna be

826
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 7: a little more predictable. You know, they're gonna first thing

827
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 7: in the morning, their k one landed right in the decoys.

828
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 2: I don't hear any blastom.

829
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 7: You're you're gonna.

830
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 2: There goes Yuh do we score again?

831
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 5: Oh?

832
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, So we're gonna let that. We're gonna let that bird,

833
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 7: you know, sit out there. It's not going anywhere. Uh

834
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 7: then yeah, is Gabby you know tuned in right? Oh again,

835
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 7: Fina again, Sina again, No, you're looking over it again.

836
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 2: Has he expired yet?

837
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,479
Speaker 7: That was just five hundred and sixty three dollars worth

838
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 7: of shotgun shells. It has now, but it was it

839
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 7: was kind of again, honey boy, this is tough.

840
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: They're hard to kill in the water. Tom.

841
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 7: They just all right, I'm gonna send the dog Cabby

842
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 7: that we might have a little lip. Birds hit pretty good.

843
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 7: So I don't think we're going to have a big chase.

844
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 7: But she's out there swimming after it. We'll see. You're

845
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 7: getting the play by play from the duck play.

846
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 2: I love it.

847
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 7: Yeah, she's got it, good girl, all right, she's got

848
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 7: it all right. Yeah.

849
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 2: I just saw a couple of mallards wing by it.

850
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: I caught my eye on.

851
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, this this one looks like a teal out there

852
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 7: that she's coming back with. But you know, really right now,

853
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 7: this time of year up here, you know, the weather wise,

854
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,439
Speaker 7: we still have blue wings you know that are they're

855
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 7: kind of early migrators. And then those little green wings, boy,

856
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 7: they'll be right at ice up.

857
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 2: And still we got here.

858
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 7: Yeah. Blue wing just came in with it and said

859
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 7: on her dog stamp. Yeah, so then those green wings

860
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 7: are you know, they're more of a late season bird.

861
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 7: Seemed to be out here anyway. But uh, you know,

862
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 7: as soon as that weather kind of changes, we're going

863
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 7: to have we're gonna have these blue wings kind of

864
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 7: you know, head the south. So it's nice to have

865
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 7: these little birds you know, around right now. Plus they're

866
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 7: really good on the table.

867
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say that, Tom, they're one of

868
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 3: the few birds this time of year that at least

869
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 3: in Minnesota that are all feathered out and there's no

870
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 3: pin feathers in them.

871
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 2: They're just as clean as a whistle.

872
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's you know, these birds head down,

873
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 7: they get down to Texas and you know, it doesn't

874
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 7: take much to get them to move. And you know,

875
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 7: sometimes they wonder if they're just moving on the moving

876
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 7: on the clock, or they're moving on the weather. But

877
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 7: you know, anything that we can do right now is

878
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 7: kind of nice early season. Anyways, no mosquitos or mosquitos

879
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 7: this morning to speak of. I had a bunch of bugs.

880
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 7: I had my head layup on and that was just okay.

881
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 7: Everybody run to the light. So we got a really

882
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 7: nice breeze here this morning. Just kind of just a

883
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 7: perfect idea.

884
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 3: Well do you keep the do you keep the wind

885
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 3: at you're back with Decoy's or doesn't Doesn't it make

886
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 3: a lot of difference.

887
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, I want to I want the dog, I want

888
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 7: the ducks, you know, gonna come in, They're gonna land

889
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 7: against the wind or that would be first choice. Second

890
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 7: choice would be a crosswind yep, you know, if it's

891
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 7: if it's down wind. You know it's not going to happen.

892
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 7: So those are things that need to be thought of.

893
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 7: And nowadays, go on the phone, you know, if you're

894
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 7: getting ready to go out, and then look, it'll give

895
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,439
Speaker 7: you the wind direction and if there's gonna be any

896
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 7: changes in it, and that can help you decide which

897
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 7: spot you're going to go to.

898
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tom, I thought of you.

899
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 3: I was reading the post on social media and it

900
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 3: was a man that owned a Brittany and he had

901
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 3: been throwing dummies for it and uh, and the way

902
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 3: it sounds, I thought that the dummies and everything was

903
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 3: good until he shot and he was looking for when

904
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 3: then the dog decided it didn't want anything to do

905
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 3: with it, and it took off and went back to

906
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 3: the car. And I thought to myself, man, you just

907
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 3: he was looking for suggestions from people on what to

908
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 3: do and how to fix it. And I thought to myself,

909
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 3: you're probably not going to fix it, buddy, and it's

910
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,959
Speaker 3: going to be a sad day when you realize that too.

911
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 3: And he didn't do the burden gun introduction like you

912
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 3: have at your kennel.

913
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 2: And I think that's such a shame for people.

914
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 7: Well, it is because it's a man made problem. It's

915
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 7: nothing hereditary, you know. You know, somebody will say, well,

916
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 7: his mother was gun shy, so that's why the puppies

917
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 7: gun chet Well who introduced the mother to the gun?

918
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah?

919
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 7: Okay, so it's totally man made, and that's why it's

920
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 7: so important. You know, think about that. You can have

921
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 7: a dog that loves birds, all of those things, and

922
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 7: then all of a sudden, you know, you throw that

923
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 7: gun in there. I mean, well, the gun is an

924
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 7: offensive noise anyways, but you got to get your dog

925
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 7: tuned into I want to hear that noise, yeah, because

926
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 7: it means a retrieved So it's it is a shame

927
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 7: because I don't care how well bred dog that you

928
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,720
Speaker 7: might have. That's one problem that you know, is really

929
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 7: hard to take care of. And then they can also

930
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 7: get to the point where they're afraid of the sight

931
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 7: of the gun because they know what's going to happen next.

932
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 7: That's a hard rehab thing, you know, to have to

933
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 7: go through. If it best, there you go that I shot.

934
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 7: Be ready again.

935
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 2: You're a heck of a coach, you know that.

936
00:55:55,880 --> 00:56:17,439
Speaker 7: Again? Honey, one more, one more, I'm gonna send the dog. Yes, Yeah,

937
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 7: that was a hard That was a hard left to

938
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 7: right crosser. He don't them, you know, duck hunter's wife.

939
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 7: Maybe i'll throw this out, you know, especially let's just

940
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 7: say you're hunting over water. Is I want to shoot

941
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 7: number seven and a half or six is at the most.

942
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 7: It's not about knocking them down. It's about being able

943
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 7: to finish them off when they hit the water. And

944
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 7: if you're shooting this is my opinion, now, if you're

945
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 7: shooting fours, you don't have that many pellets to be

946
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 7: able to hit such a small target. Uh on these

947
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 7: Dutch when they're on the water. So there you go.

948
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 7: What a good job that was?

949
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 2: Huh?

950
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 7: Yeah, daddy, that's an early season bird out here too.

951
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 7: Quite a few gadwalls. Yeah, boy, that was at of

952
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 7: the shot. I don't know why she needs me here.

953
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 2: Tom, I've got to say something. And this is something

954
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 2: that everybody would should know.

955
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 3: Tina didn't grow up hunting, didn't Tina didn't grow up

956
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 3: in a hunting family. His wife Tina, and when they

957
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 3: got together, Tom made it a point to introduce Tina

958
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 3: to shooting and introduce her to hunting. So if you're

959
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 3: out there in your spouse or your significant other or girlfriend,

960
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 3: or even a child that's older.

961
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 2: I know they can learn how to hunt.

962
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 7: You're not gonna you're not gonna flare them at this point,

963
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 7: so it's not a problem.

964
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 3: And I just think it's so crucial, and it's such

965
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 3: a wonderful example and why people and how people can

966
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 3: go about introducing somebody. And it's a little bit older

967
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 3: to the sport of hunting and shooting, and I think

968
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 3: it's phenomenal.

969
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 2: Tom. I thank you for your time, my friend, and

970
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 2: I really do it.

971
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 3: This is one of the most fun conversations I've had

972
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 3: on the radio.

973
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 7: All right, us too, So it's so nice to be

974
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 7: able to share the duck line with everybody out there

975
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 7: this morning. You've got one down on the water and

976
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 7: we're gonna let Yeabby go one more time.

977
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 2: Gabby excellent. Well he I wish your success. I wish

978
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,439
Speaker 2: your success, and I have a wonderful hunt.

979
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 7: Tom.

980
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 2: We'll talk soon.

981
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 7: I got it all right, Thanks, Billy, nice talking to you.

982
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, save here, buddy.

983
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 3: That's Tom Docan and Tina Docan and I've got a

984
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 3: Mallard winging buy right now. Oh goodness. We'll take a

985
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 3: positively back with tackle Terry right after this twenty minutes

986
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 3: after the hour of seven o'clock fan outdoors yep, until

987
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 3: the eight o'clock hour, and then we'll turn it over

988
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 3: to in the zone with Tucker and Sinnecon right after

989
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 3: this tackle.

990
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 2: Well, are you on the water, in the water or

991
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 2: buy the water?

992
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:45,959
Speaker 6: I can buy the water by not in the water.

993
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 6: We've got wind is pretty trying to pick up down.

994
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 3: So oh well, the forecast is for up to twenty

995
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 3: five today, Terry.

996
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, I even heard now I just looked up and

997
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 6: possibly even higher than that, Bill, thirty to forty.

998
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 3: Oh my, tomorrow is supposed to be really heavy. But

999
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 3: south wind. Are you on the river?

1000
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 6: No, no, I'm not.

1001
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 2: Oh that helps.

1002
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 5: No.

1003
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 6: If I was on the river, that'd be a no no, Bill, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, North.

1004
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:16,439
Speaker 2: Was all wind.

1005
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 7: Bill.

1006
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 6: And the water temperature, I know you and I spoke

1007
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 6: about this a little bit earlier, but the water temperature

1008
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 6: sure jumped up to seventy one degrees.

1009
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 2: Well, my gosh, Terry, it's you know, it's hot. I

1010
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 2: mean it's.

1011
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 9: Supposed to be eighty five today again eighty six, and

1012
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 9: it's unseasonably hot. But all of a sudden, well, you

1013
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 9: get kind of used to this, and the rude awakening

1014
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 9: is going to come next week when it struggles to

1015
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 9: get to sixty.

1016
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 6: Yeah. Well, you know what, Jared. Thing I noticed Bill

1017
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 6: yesterday when I was fishing crappies. The water change. It's

1018
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 6: more that turning for that greeny color like you would

1019
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 6: see in this I'm not this, you know, not the

1020
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 6: algae bloom. Different change from sort of a clearer water,

1021
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 6: uh to a greenish tint to it, which I was

1022
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 6: sort of surprised, But that goes hand in hand with

1023
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 6: the water temperatures.

1024
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 3: Well, you know, but here it's a little bit different,

1025
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 3: and maybe it's the zebra muscles in the lake, but

1026
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 3: it is crystal clear down by the dock, and the

1027
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 3: lake is is going down quickly. But as soon as

1028
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 3: they decide to lower the lake, which in the middle

1029
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,959
Speaker 3: of this month they're going to lower it the winter

1030
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 3: pool and then it's because there's a dam on the

1031
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 3: south end of the lake, then it's going to get

1032
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 3: really low. And I don't know why they're doing that.

1033
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 3: They I thought they quit doing that, but they're talking

1034
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 3: about it now.

1035
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 6: Yeah. I noticed two that the lakes that I've been

1036
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 6: on have dropped in levels and I d of course

1037
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 6: to the you know, the weather conditions, but no rain.

1038
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 6: But yeah, and they are dropping, there's no question about that.

1039
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 6: So and it's I think it's it's making a difference

1040
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 6: in the bite.

1041
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 2: Oh really, huh.

1042
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 3: I haven't fished. I've been out walking the fields all

1043
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 3: this week. But are are you still finding fish?

1044
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yes, yeah, I was fishing croppies yesterday and they

1045
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 6: were pretty much belly to the bottom Bill, which I

1046
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 6: was sort of surprised to see that. But once I

1047
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 6: marked them, I did catch them with plastics. There was

1048
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,919
Speaker 6: the main thing. What I did do, Bill, was I

1049
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 6: used a tounch and small jig sixteen downs and then

1050
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 6: to put plastics and charts. White was the most productive

1051
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 6: and I would sort of go in and out of gear,

1052
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 6: stop and go, stop and go. That really was a trigger.

1053
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 6: Some of these fish just hardy bit whatsoever. You had

1054
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 6: a little tension or loaded up the rock tip and

1055
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 6: then you'd set. You had a crappy on.

1056
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 2: But on the bottom. That's interesting.

1057
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, they were, and I think it definitely

1058
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 6: due to these weather conditions of water. You think about it,

1059
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 6: you know, this is sort of to me, it sort

1060
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 6: of opposite the fisher's cycle when you go from one

1061
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 6: extreme to the other of all of a sudden, getting

1062
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 6: the water temperatures getting back to summer temperatures. And I

1063
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 6: would have to guess it does do something to the

1064
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 6: fish bait.

1065
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 3: Wow, Terry, can you imagine. I mean, they think, well,

1066
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 3: it's going into winters getting cooler and cooler, and we

1067
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 3: got to do Oh no, it's not, it's hot.

1068
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 2: Here we go.

1069
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 6: I think that's exactly crank. I think it does do

1070
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 6: something to their normal feeding habits and normal locations. But

1071
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 6: these fish, like I said yesterday, they were just barely

1072
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 6: to the bottom. Very seldom did I see any that

1073
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 6: were suspended above the bottom.

1074
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 2: Excuse me.

1075
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 3: We caught Eric and shadd and I caught some walleyes

1076
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 3: last weekend, but they were always on jigg and mintal

1077
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 3: and the week before we caught them on crank baits.

1078
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 3: And it's just it's amazing. I couldn't buy a fish

1079
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 3: on a crank bait last week, can Terry, But the

1080
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 3: kids caught him.

1081
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 2: Then.

1082
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 3: It don't take it doesn't take this old guy long

1083
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 3: to figure out that I'm doing something that they don't want.

1084
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 6: Well, well, I think you're exactly right. You know, that's

1085
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 6: where we really have to accept the same thing with bassage,

1086
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 6: I couldn't buy a bass on the crank bait. I

1087
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 6: had one tick and that was it, so I switched

1088
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 6: to plastics. But you know, these we have to accept

1089
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 6: these kind of changes. You know how shoes long shoes

1090
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 6: stay in a spot. These are all factors we have

1091
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 6: to really adjust accordingly. And we just have to keep

1092
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 6: an open mining cam. I caught it, think out of

1093
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 6: the box. I think that's something we have to do

1094
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 6: to be successful. For you know, any species fishing, ice

1095
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 6: fishing or open water fishing doesn't make any difference.

1096
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, how long do you stay in a place

1097
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 3: that that uh before when you quit getting bites terry,

1098
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:55,919
Speaker 3: before you decide it's time to move.

1099
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 6: Well, generally speaking, I'll say in about minutes something of

1100
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 6: that area. It's going to be, of course, based on

1101
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 6: the location and if I had a little bit of

1102
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 6: a tick or a bite or whatever, and then pay

1103
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 6: really close to attention what these fish are doing. But

1104
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 6: generally speaking, about twenty minutes is about it. And then

1105
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 6: but once I do feel that there are fish there,

1106
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 6: you've got have to have confidence in your presentation and

1107
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 6: your technique and then slow down and work very very

1108
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 6: much every inch of that area, like yestreay fishing in

1109
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 6: the crappies, that really dialed in on these crappies. And

1110
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 6: then to you know, use, you know, go to you

1111
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 6: know four or five, six, seven different baits to see

1112
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 6: if you can get a reaction. And then to what

1113
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 6: we also have to understand and remember is that we

1114
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 6: can always go back to that spot if we have

1115
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 6: really good confidence in that location.

1116
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 3: Well, Terry, oftentimes fish are going to move with their bait,

1117
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,439
Speaker 3: with whatever they're feeding. They don't have to move far

1118
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 3: when you can't catch them. But if they move ten

1119
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 3: fifteen yards and you're fishing right where you did before,

1120
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 3: you're not going to catch them because they're not there anymore.

1121
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 6: Well, that's exactly right. Yeah, it's one hundred percent crag

1122
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 6: that I grew with under That's why you don't casting

1123
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 6: angles are so important, Bill. You know, if you're casting, well,

1124
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 6: whatever you're casting, you know, if it's krank baits or

1125
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 6: even tossing jigs or whatever it may be, or plastic exist,

1126
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 6: always cast at a forty five degree angle. Up is

1127
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 6: what you're now targeting. You're targeting going to the shallow,

1128
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 6: mid depth and deep ranges, and so that's going to

1129
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 6: give you a big clew as to exactly where those

1130
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 6: fish are sitting.

1131
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 2: You know.

1132
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 3: And one of the other things I discovered in this

1133
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 3: body of water anyway, those fish, especially the walleyes panfish too,

1134
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 3: are there.

1135
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 2: In the weeds all year. Law.

1136
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 3: As long as you've got green weeds, you could definitely

1137
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 3: have fish in that area. They just might be sticking

1138
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 3: their nose out a little bit, going out in roaming

1139
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 3: just a little bit, but they're going to come back

1140
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 3: to green weeds because that's where the bait is.

1141
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 6: Well, exactly right, yes, and that you know there again too,

1142
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 6: you unite said how many times have no fish and

1143
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,959
Speaker 6: no bait, no foods, shirts and no fish, And that's

1144
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 6: exactly right. That's why you know, official change your angles,

1145
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 6: as you mentioned too, because of fishing pressure is one,

1146
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 6: weather conditions another, foods are shifts is another, and some

1147
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 6: these are all factors or fisial change their position in

1148
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 6: that water column. And like you said too, if there's

1149
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 6: no food there, there's not going to be any fish there.

1150
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 3: And the other thing, Terry is I'm not well, it's

1151
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 3: no secret that I'm not a fan of trolling, but

1152
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 3: I'm not and I love the cast and I think

1153
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 3: that's the old bass guy and me and I just

1154
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 3: I like doing something and casting affords me that opportunity.

1155
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 3: Although there's time that you get your bait down in

1156
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 3: the strike zone and then it comes back up again

1157
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 3: or then with a casting and you've got to cast

1158
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 3: it again where it does stay there in a trolling mode.

1159
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 2: But again I get bored silly trolling.

1160
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 6: Well, you know, and you know, I understand exactly what

1161
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 6: you're what you're staying there. But fishing for you know,

1162
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 6: for northern pike and for walleyes, trolling is you know,

1163
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 6: definitely at certain times of the year. Is it a

1164
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 6: factor all the time?

1165
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 4: No?

1166
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 6: But I can remember build an old timer many many

1167
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 6: years ago told me about trolling lead corps. That's really

1168
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 6: where I learned it from. And he told me he

1169
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 6: started trolling lead corps from ice out all the way

1170
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 6: up to freeze up and always caught fish. So there's

1171
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:57,719
Speaker 6: a lot to be but you know, trolling it almost

1172
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 6: to the sensitive work. We can always use it that

1173
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 6: name or title of finding your fish a location of fish,

1174
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 6: And I think that's a big factor.

1175
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 5: You know.

1176
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 6: If then if you catch a ware or whatever it

1177
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 6: may be in that specific location, you really need to

1178
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:18,759
Speaker 6: dial in on that spot and you know, maybe try

1179
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 6: jigs or live aait, rigs or whatever it is to

1180
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 6: catch a fish.

1181
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 3: But the other other thing, terry is when when I'm

1182
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 3: watching people out here and they're trolling, they might boat

1183
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 3: a fish and net a fish, but they just keep

1184
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 3: right on going.

1185
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 2: I mean, they just they'd never come back here.

1186
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 6: No, I see that so often constantly. Where you really

1187
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 6: need to, you know, if you catch a fish. You know,

1188
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 6: the same thing with I guess we could really say

1189
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 6: with any specie of fish really if you're casting or

1190
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 6: whatever it is, you know, if you catch a fish,

1191
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 6: you need to work that area thoroughly. You know, like

1192
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 6: with throating, maybe you want to drop down the jig

1193
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 6: in the minto or a crawler on a rig or

1194
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 6: whatever it may be and worked at very very thirty.

1195
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,600
Speaker 6: Same thing with your bass fishing or weather. I know

1196
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 6: you do this too. If you pick up one bass

1197
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 6: in one spot, you don't necessarily want to pack up

1198
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 6: and leave. You got to work that area very thoroughly.

1199
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 6: And if you do that and concentrate, maybe slow down,

1200
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 6: speat up, or whatever it is, you're going to be

1201
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 6: much more successful. It's amazing how you can catch a

1202
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:31,679
Speaker 6: lot of fish out of one small area.

1203
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 3: I agree with you, Terry completely. I mean, that makes

1204
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 3: all the difference in the world.

1205
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 6: But it doesn't the same thing with crappie fishing. Yesterday, Bill,

1206
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 6: you know, once I dived into exactly where these fish

1207
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 6: were at and billy to the bottom. I worked a

1208
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 6: small area to catch fish. So here again too, you

1209
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 6: do not have to travel the whole lake or run

1210
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 6: a gun approach to try to catch fish. Sure, there's

1211
01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 6: going to be time frames that maybe you need to

1212
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 6: do that under most conditions. You know, one fish is

1213
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 6: definitely going to be an indicator where there may be

1214
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 6: more fish.

1215
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, Terry.

1216
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 3: So what's your plan now when the when the weather

1217
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 3: cools off.

1218
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 6: Well, I'm still going to go fishing, Bill, I'm going

1219
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 6: to I think I'm going to dial in a little

1220
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:23,640
Speaker 6: bit more on maybe bass fishing or somewhat uh and

1221
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,759
Speaker 6: then uh, I do some more crappy fish crappy fishing

1222
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 6: as fut Bill.

1223
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, I agree with that.

1224
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 6: You know, it's just you know, it's a change of pace,

1225
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 6: I guess, and then once it really cools down, the

1226
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 6: boat goes gets put away or boats get put away.

1227
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 6: Then I'll do some shore fishing before ice forms.

1228
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1229
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:51,759
Speaker 6: How many boats are being stored already?

1230
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 3: Well, there's this. I've seen one boat going by right now.

1231
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:01,879
Speaker 3: I see it, and that it's the only boat I've seen.

1232
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 2: This morning, Terry. On this lake.

1233
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 3: I mean, there just aren't people out there. And usually

1234
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,680
Speaker 3: if you drive by the access there might be two

1235
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:11,719
Speaker 3: maybe three traders at the most.

1236
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 2: People are hanging things up and they're changing what they're doing.

1237
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 6: Oh, there's no question about that, you know. I've seen

1238
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 6: a boat yesterday. He must have been win orizing himself

1239
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 6: where he unloaded the boat, left the trailer and the

1240
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 6: water and ran around the lake a couple of times

1241
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 6: and then loaded back up again. That was an individual

1242
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 6: that was doing historie himself. But there's a lot of

1243
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 6: boats and storage already.

1244
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:37,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. I agree, Terry. It's some time of year, my friend.

1245
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 6: But it's too ready to do that.

1246
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 2: Bill, I agree with you.

1247
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 3: Well, we're gonna we're gonna let you go fish and Terry,

1248
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:48,679
Speaker 3: and we'll talk again in a couple of weeks.

1249
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 6: My friend, sound great. You have a great day, Bill,

1250
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 6: and tell all our listeners don't put your boats away.

1251
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 3: Okay those are words from tackle Terry. We'll take a

1252
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 3: pause and be back, I think with Bob Saint Pierre,

1253
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 3: who has had his boat in storage for a long

1254
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 3: time already, probably since July, and I think he's up grouse.

1255
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:12,639
Speaker 2: Shutting as we speak.

1256
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 3: We'll be right back with one more segment before we

1257
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 3: say Tata that's coming.

1258
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:20,679
Speaker 2: Up right around the corner.

1259
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 3: You know what the music means, so I don't even

1260
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:38,680
Speaker 3: have to say it.

1261
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:39,639
Speaker 2: But I'm not gonna.

1262
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:46,839
Speaker 3: In fact, let's welcome in our next guest who's bailed

1263
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:52,640
Speaker 3: on us for the last three weeks. And you know

1264
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:55,440
Speaker 3: who he is, just by the chortling in the background.

1265
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 2: Laughter. He eats the way for him. Just well, how's

1266
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 2: a hunting?

1267
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:12,520
Speaker 4: The hunting's been wet and the hunting has been hot,

1268
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:18,759
Speaker 4: so I you know, I haven't hunted yet this week,

1269
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 4: but as soon as I get DoD I'm going to

1270
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 4: try to squeeze in forty minutes a hunting before it

1271
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:31,560
Speaker 4: gets too warm. This morning, oh my yeah, yeah, it's unbelievable.

1272
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 3: I have been out every day this week and we

1273
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 3: get out. I've got Rex here and also Brie of course.

1274
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 3: But it's uh, it's been fun. But yeah, it's a

1275
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 3: little different when the dogs are down in the grass

1276
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 3: and you have to be aware of that too, because

1277
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 3: it's not good for the dog.

1278
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, even you know, in the Grouse Woods. I'm

1279
01:14:55,680 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 4: in northern Wisconsin this morning, got here last night, I'm

1280
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 4: gonna I'm gonna get out, and the fall colors are

1281
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 4: dramatically different than they are in the Twin Cities. But

1282
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 4: the temperatures, unfortunately, are not dramatically different. It's you know,

1283
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 4: it's maybe maybe four or five degrees cooler up here,

1284
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 4: which you know, when it's ninety in the Cities and

1285
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 4: it's eighty five up here, we're not going to be

1286
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 4: able to hunt in the jungle that is still the

1287
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 4: Grouse Woods.

1288
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:28,639
Speaker 7: For very long. But it is.

1289
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 4: It's it just hit darn darn beautiful setting. It's a

1290
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,680
Speaker 4: little a little too warm for my case for October,

1291
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 4: but it is beautiful. As these leaves turn.

1292
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 3: Well, see, you're getting something you deserve now. And that's

1293
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 3: just that's just my take on it too. Because you've

1294
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 3: been babbling about the fall for the since July, and.

1295
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of poetic justice.

1296
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 4: This this historically is my favorite weekend of the year,

1297
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 4: this October, third, fourth, fifth, huh timeframe. And you know,

1298
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 4: normally you get that just varying Chris morning at forty

1299
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 4: degrees and then it doesn't break sixty five or sixty

1300
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 4: all day. Not so much the case this weekend. It

1301
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 4: feels a little bit more like fourth of July rather

1302
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 4: than the fourth October.

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01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 3: Just just imagine that you're hunting on the fourth of

1304
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:33,719
Speaker 3: July and that'll make it all better.

1305
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 7: Bang bang, Yeah, there you go.

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01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 3: What are you finding as far as numbers of grouse, Bob? Yeah,

1307
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 3: I know it sound but there just sound of flushes.

1308
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely think bird numbers or grouse numbers rough

1309
01:16:55,880 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 4: grouse numbers are down with the cavvy.

1310
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 7: Yeah that you know.

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01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 4: I in a normal year, you can hunt majority of

1312
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 4: the day and work hardcover. And I've either been hunting

1313
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:15,480
Speaker 4: in rain or I've been hunting you know, very shortened

1314
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 4: abbreviated watch because of the heat. So you know, you

1315
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 4: got to take my prediction that things are down with

1316
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 4: a little bit of a grain of salt, because I

1317
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 4: don't have a normal comparable amount of time in the

1318
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 4: woods that I would at you know, at this time

1319
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 4: a year before or two years before, but generally speaking,

1320
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:38,680
Speaker 4: you know, I've been to the gun Flint and I

1321
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 4: definitely think bird numbers are down there compared to you know,

1322
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:47,640
Speaker 4: just absolutely incredible numbers there last year, the last two years.

1323
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:53,599
Speaker 4: I've been to northern Wisconsin just for a day at

1324
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 4: this point and here this weekend. And I don't have

1325
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 4: a huge, you know, a huge.

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01:17:57,920 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 6: Body of.

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01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 4: Data to tell you in northern Wisconsin, but I would

1328
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 4: I think they're down, but not dramatics. Say, the Gunflint

1329
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 4: felt dramatically down. And then I've unted in hull Kindada,

1330
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 4: northeastern north central Minnesota, the the Magi, the Shanglatana, the

1331
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:24,839
Speaker 4: Hinckley area, and that's down, but maybe the least amount

1332
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 4: of down compared to the other places I've been. But

1333
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:33,679
Speaker 4: you know, I've been three places for very minimal amount

1334
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 4: of time compared to normal. So I'm still optimistic. But

1335
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 4: I do think rough grouse numbers are down. Sharp tailed

1336
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 4: numbers out west pretty pretty strong. It's not you know,

1337
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 4: we get those June rains and they've had a lot

1338
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 4: of hail, and I thought numbers would actually be a

1339
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 4: little bit worse. And you know, honestly, things are pretty

1340
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:59,679
Speaker 4: good for Sharpie's and the Dakotas, and as we approached

1341
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 4: as hunting season opening up next weekend, I continue to

1342
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 4: hear really positive things. So fingers crossed, the best is

1343
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 4: yet to.

1344
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 3: Come well from a person, and it's not like me,

1345
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 3: but I'm trying to get my body in shape just

1346
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 3: a little bit. I've been out for the last five

1347
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 3: days and five things, and I've been pleasantly surprised with

1348
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 3: the bird numbers that I'm seeing flushed. But the other

1349
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 3: thing is, I have yet to see a colored out

1350
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 3: bird unless all I'm putting up our hands, and I

1351
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 3: know one is.

1352
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 2: A rooster because I heard it cackle.

1353
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 3: But the other thing I'm so impressed with Bob is

1354
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 3: that backing. For one dog to back another one, it

1355
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 3: must be instinct, because I've had that happen a couple

1356
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 3: times where Rex will be on a point, Brie will

1357
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 3: come up and back him, and he'll move in a

1358
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 3: little bit as a bird moves, and she backs him

1359
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 3: again and Rex does exactly the same thing with bre

1360
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:16,719
Speaker 3: And really it's I'm having such a good time.

1361
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really really fun.

1362
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 4: It's remarkable how much of that hunting skill, whether it's

1363
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 4: backing or pointing, is just bred into them, particularly really

1364
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 4: good lines of dogs like the ones that you have,

1365
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:37,839
Speaker 4: you know, where they have a history of being strong

1366
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 4: bird hunters and pointing and backing or honoring. It's like

1367
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 4: magic when when not only are they working with you,

1368
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 4: but they're working with another dog. Yeah, it's that's pretty special.

1369
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 4: I'm really looking forward to joining you for the as

1370
01:20:55,280 --> 01:21:00,760
Speaker 4: an opener. Your your report is very consistent with what

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01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 4: I'm hearing from you know, the southern part of Minnesota.

1372
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 4: People are very pleasantly surprised with bird numbers, not because

1373
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 4: of the winter. We all know we had a pretty

1374
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 4: mild winter, so adult carryover of birds was likely to

1375
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 4: be good, and the spring was pretty good until we

1376
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 4: got those heavy rains in June that come right at

1377
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 4: the peak of the hatch. And there's a lot of

1378
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:30,680
Speaker 4: fear about the impact that those heavy rains we're going

1379
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 4: to have on young chicks. But as you've indicated, I

1380
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 4: think a lot of birds either were hatched before then

1381
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:45,719
Speaker 4: and you know we're looking like adult birds now, or

1382
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 4: as you as you're talking about there there was a

1383
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 4: late renesting attempt, and there's gonna be some puffballs out

1384
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 4: there on the landscape when they flush in front of

1385
01:21:57,880 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 4: your pointers this next weekend.

1386
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 3: Well, the other thing, Bob, is that when I'm walking

1387
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 3: in blue stem and there's an awful lot of blue

1388
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 3: stem that's about chest high or a little higher than

1389
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:13,840
Speaker 3: waist high, I lose my dogs all the time.

1390
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 4: We need to get you a GPS collar.

1391
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 2: I just I lose them all the time.

1392
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 3: And I can tell where they are because there's birds

1393
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 3: that are are flushing, but they do come, Thank God,

1394
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 3: they come in and check on me. And as I'm

1395
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 3: as I'm walking, I remember Snap doing that. She'd bail

1396
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:44,719
Speaker 3: into russias, into cattails, and all of a sudden she'd

1397
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 3: pop out someplace and look and see where we are.

1398
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,440
Speaker 2: And then back in she goes. I mean, it's incredible.

1399
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, this will be a special year for you with

1400
01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 4: you know, with NAP's departure and now it's kind of

1401
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 4: a new era for well, new era for both of

1402
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 4: us with young dogs that need to become the eighteen now.

1403
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 4: But that's fun and it brings a new form of joy.

1404
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.

1405
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 3: It's really fun. And as I was standing in the

1406
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 3: duck blind last week with Eric and Chad. I had

1407
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 3: forgotten I hadn't hunted ducks for a long long time,

1408
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:29,800
Speaker 3: And I know it's not one of the things that

1409
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:33,680
Speaker 3: you dwell on a lot, but I had forgotten the

1410
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 3: morning and waiting for the sun to come up and

1411
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 3: seeing that little hint of orange. Oh my goodness, gracious,

1412
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 3: I like.

1413
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 4: To look at the inside of my eyelids at four am.

1414
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 7: But I'm glad you had a good time.

1415
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 4: Oh.

1416
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:52,759
Speaker 2: I do the same thing about seven to eight o'clock

1417
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 2: that night.

1418
01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a wonderful time of the year. Whether it's

1419
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:06,640
Speaker 4: whether it's docs geese, rough grouse, getting out on the prairie,

1420
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 4: chasing sharp tails, pheasants, or if you're big game honor

1421
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 4: chasing bugling elk. It's pretty magical.

1422
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:17,639
Speaker 10: One thing I don't think I talked to you about

1423
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:21,720
Speaker 10: it saw just a monster moose when we are up

1424
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 10: the gun Flint too, and talk about just an incredible

1425
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 10: creature that you know, we're just so I'm just so

1426
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:33,760
Speaker 10: thankful that it's we still have populations in Minnesota that

1427
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 10: you can on occasion see just a giant bull moose

1428
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 10: across the road on the gun Flint Trail, and that

1429
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 10: was pretty special.

1430
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 2: It is pretty special.

1431
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 3: And you kind of take it for granted that you

1432
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 3: see a picture of a moose, but when you see

1433
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 3: them in real life, it's it's an incredible animal. And

1434
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 3: they're large, really, I mean it's bigger than a Ford Bronco.

1435
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 4: I mean they are.

1436
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:03,600
Speaker 7: Enormous.

1437
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 4: I mean I have seen them. I've only seen them

1438
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:11,720
Speaker 4: on occasion. Well, I guess it's just one time when

1439
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 4: I've been out hiking and across the trail in front

1440
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:18,800
Speaker 4: of me, and that'll, uh, that'll make your poker a

1441
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 4: little bit. That's pretty incredible.

1442
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I realized that.

1443
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 3: In fact, that Dave Simonette was there, he'd be looking

1444
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 3: for a tree.

1445
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 4: Go we got out run one person, right.

1446
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 2: That's right, that's all you gotta do.

1447
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 4: Speaking of Dave, we did make a huge announcement at

1448
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 4: Pheasants Forever yesterday. We're having a third ever concert for

1449
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 4: Conservation coming. It'll be the Thursday night, February nineteenth as

1450
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 4: we kick off National feather Fest and Coiled Classic coming

1451
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:04,599
Speaker 4: back to Minneapolis and features Turnpike Troubadours and Dave's going

1452
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 4: to be the opening act. And Dave actually wrote co

1453
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:11,600
Speaker 4: wrote one of the songs on Turnpike's new album, so

1454
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 4: fingers crossed there might be a little collaborative point in

1455
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 4: that concert.

1456
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:16,839
Speaker 7: But tickets.

1457
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 4: Tickets go on sale next Friday, and I just wanted

1458
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:26,599
Speaker 4: to call that out because it's there's only twenty one

1459
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:28,759
Speaker 4: hundred seats. We're going to be at the State Theater.

1460
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:32,640
Speaker 4: Last time Turnpike was here, they played US Bank Stadium,

1461
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 4: So I think tickets are gonna sell out pretty quickly.

1462
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 4: So if they are a fan outdoors listeners that are

1463
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:43,800
Speaker 4: big fans of Dave and big fans at Turnpike, you

1464
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 4: got to get on the stick next Friday morning to

1465
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:47,800
Speaker 4: get tickets.

1466
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:52,639
Speaker 3: All right, Then that's Friday morning something you really need

1467
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:55,680
Speaker 3: to do. And I have not seen Turnpike, but I

1468
01:26:55,760 --> 01:27:00,120
Speaker 3: have seen Dave Simonette in concert, and I guarantee you

1469
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:04,599
Speaker 3: you if you're talking about a hunter, he is gotten

1470
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 3: a bit hard and he.

1471
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:09,599
Speaker 7: Is, that's true.

1472
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:12,720
Speaker 4: You know, when we took him out for the first time, Yeah,

1473
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 4: I think I think he borrowed a shotgun. He took

1474
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 4: a hunter safety, you know, backstage before concerts. And now

1475
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:29,360
Speaker 4: he's got two bird dogs, two shotguns, and he's looking

1476
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 4: for your days on the road to go hunting in

1477
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 4: the in the autumn as opposed to, you know, spending

1478
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 4: time on stage. We will spend time on stage, but.

1479
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:43,479
Speaker 2: We will see you. We'll see you next week, buddy,

1480
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:44,600
Speaker 2: and thanks for joining me.

1481
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 7: All right.

1482
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:48,720
Speaker 2: Thanks chat, that's Bob Saint Pierre. Hey.

1483
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:52,440
Speaker 3: I want to say thank you to doctor Campbell, Cameron Gallenberg,

1484
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:54,679
Speaker 3: to Tom Docin and Tina Docin.

1485
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 2: And thank you for allowing.

1486
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 3: Brett and I to travel with you for Brett Blakemore

1487
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 3: my producer, I am Billy hilde Bress.

1488
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 2: Have a great weekend until next week.

1489
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:04,600
Speaker 7: Da