WEBVTT - 12-22-25 Monday Night Sterling

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<v Speaker 1>Are.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a Monday sterling stepping in holiday week. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>all topsy turvy, Up is down, down is up, and

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<v Speaker 2>a whole lot of people on the road with shiny

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<v Speaker 2>happy faces trying to get to a close family and

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<v Speaker 2>friends and enjoy all the holidays. And there are many happening,

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<v Speaker 2>all in the matter of a couple of days. Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>Honka in full swing. You got Kwansa as well. After

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<v Speaker 2>holiday Christmas time in twenty six, I think is when

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<v Speaker 2>that starts. And in the news, which has gotten quite

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of attention to start, we got a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of groundcover tonight. By the way, Bengals with a big

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<v Speaker 2>win in Florida, a little too late to make a

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<v Speaker 2>difference for a playoff run. They're eliminated. But we'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>to Joe Danaman about how that to outcome and how

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<v Speaker 2>they played and what that means for the future of

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<v Speaker 2>the Woday. We also have Mark Crumbine going to join

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<v Speaker 2>us on that Elwood case where he was convicted of

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<v Speaker 2>murder and he said he was innocent the whole way.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they find that apparently there was no DNA

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<v Speaker 2>or something weird and they overturn a case or say

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<v Speaker 2>that at least he's not going to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>be retried and and he's going to be free.

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<v Speaker 3>And then they go, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait.

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<v Speaker 2>A minute, there is no hepatitis as we initially had thought.

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<v Speaker 2>So now I scratch my head and go, so does

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<v Speaker 2>this guy really innocent? Not innocent? And we'll talk to

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<v Speaker 2>a guy who knows about criminal defense cases and trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get innocent people released, and obviously also dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>putting the people who are not exactly safe for the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of us to play with in the big sandbox

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<v Speaker 2>of life locked up so they can be isolated in

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<v Speaker 2>a way and keep us safe. Mighty Wall from space

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<v Speaker 2>dot Com gonna join us as well. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>groundcover in James Rapine too. Holy crap, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>going on. But first to start, you may have heard

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<v Speaker 2>there is news about and there's tons of politics in

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<v Speaker 2>the news. But I like to bring it home to

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<v Speaker 2>what matters to us here in the dry state, and

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<v Speaker 2>what matters to us is local stuff. And about election day,

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<v Speaker 2>which has been election days for some period of time

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<v Speaker 2>time where you could vote early. You can only vote once,

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<v Speaker 2>not often, no matter what anybody says, and you could

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<v Speaker 2>do mail in voting, and that's the case for a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of our military personnel around planet Earth, as well

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<v Speaker 2>as a lot of people in rural areas who have

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<v Speaker 2>a hard time getting around, maybe seniors, and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people who can't get off work. Today comes news

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<v Speaker 2>that a governor Dwine would like to have apparently a

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<v Speaker 2>vetoed a tightening up of rules surrounding when votes will

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<v Speaker 2>be counted and tabulated, meaning election night, with the s

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<v Speaker 2>still being allowed a four day grace period. I figured,

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<v Speaker 2>why not talk to someone who knows a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>about the politics of voting in history of it, former

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<v Speaker 2>head of political science at Writes State and Dayton. She

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<v Speaker 2>is a Cincinnati kid now professor Meredi, doctor Dona Schlehick.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to seven hundred WLW with Sterling.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you hi?

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<v Speaker 4>Sterling? Doing well?

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<v Speaker 5>And you're right, there is really never a slow news day,

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<v Speaker 5>is there not anymore?

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<v Speaker 2>It's like whiplash, And you know, days ago you would think, well,

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<v Speaker 2>this is clearly going to be a topic a You're like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like months ago, some stuff has happened. So I

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<v Speaker 2>guess that's the nature of the world we're living in.

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<v Speaker 2>As far as this election thing in the vote deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Governor Dewin would like to have vetot it. He said

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<v Speaker 2>he could not what does this effectively mean when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to people looking to cast their vote midterm elections

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<v Speaker 2>or any other election moving forward in the great state

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<v Speaker 2>of Ohio.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I think the bottom line, you know, and I'm

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<v Speaker 5>so glad you wanted to talk about this to remind

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<v Speaker 5>people to be registered. And if you have to vote absentee,

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<v Speaker 5>if you're going to be traveling for work, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>you may be called to active duty, if you're in

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<v Speaker 5>the Guard or the Reserve, you may be in a

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<v Speaker 5>nursing home. But there are many reasons why people do

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<v Speaker 5>absentee ballots. You've got to move your timeline up at

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<v Speaker 5>least by a week to be sure. It's got to

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<v Speaker 5>be postmarked by the day of the election to be counted.

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<v Speaker 5>And I don't know about you, I don't have major

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<v Speaker 5>complaints about mail delivery, but it has gotten slow, which

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<v Speaker 5>is why we had that grace here, right. He wants,

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<v Speaker 5>as Governor DeWine said, he wants every vote to be counted.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think most Americans would would agree with that sentiment. Ohio.

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<v Speaker 5>The slightest bill that they're trying to tighten up some

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<v Speaker 5>of the voting practices. You know, not a single audit

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<v Speaker 5>has found any systematic fraud anywhere in in the Ohio system,

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<v Speaker 5>and Ohio voters generally have a higher level of confidence

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<v Speaker 5>in the integrity of the elections that happen in our state.

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<v Speaker 5>But if you have to vote absentee, and Ohio is

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<v Speaker 5>still not going to go to online voting, so that

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<v Speaker 5>is you know, there is technology out there that might

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<v Speaker 5>help us more sterling. We don't have to go into that,

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<v Speaker 5>but if you, for any reason think you may be

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<v Speaker 5>requesting an absentee ballance, get that thing filled out and

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<v Speaker 5>in the mail a week ahead of time. I admit

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<v Speaker 5>I'm genetically one of those people. I run a little early,

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<v Speaker 5>but if you really want it to be counted, if

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<v Speaker 5>we have a close race, We've got a couple of

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<v Speaker 5>interesting ones. We have a governor's race coming up. We

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<v Speaker 5>may see Vivek Ramaswami and Amy acton the term that JD.

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<v Speaker 5>Vance left in the Senate. You know that seat now

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<v Speaker 5>has to be filled permanently. Maybe John Houstead and Shared

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<v Speaker 5>Brown are some of the names. But there are going

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<v Speaker 5>to be a couple of big and potentially very closely

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<v Speaker 5>contested races. Every vote will count, But that four day

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<v Speaker 5>grace period, the governor really wanted to make sure that

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<v Speaker 5>veterans serving overseas. Of course, it's always experienced problems with

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<v Speaker 5>their ballots arriving late. Of all the people who are

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<v Speaker 5>voting absentee, would you not want people on active duty

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<v Speaker 5>serving the country overseas to have their votes counted?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that rhetorical or are you actually asking me? Because

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<v Speaker 2>I got to say, yeah, of course their votes should count.

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<v Speaker 2>I think all of our votes should count too. Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let me reintroduce you. By the way, former head of

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<v Speaker 2>political science at Right State. She is now professor, married

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<v Speaker 2>to doctor Donna Slick, with Sterling on seven hundred WLW.

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<v Speaker 2>The four d grace period historically has been for those

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<v Speaker 2>straggling votes that have been to be county that have

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<v Speaker 2>been mailed in or otherwise. Right, they've tightened up the

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<v Speaker 2>ballot box, the drop offs in county after county, all

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<v Speaker 2>eighty eight and Ohio. Doctor Slick and you mentioned something

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<v Speaker 2>also interesting about the slowing down of the mail and

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<v Speaker 2>they've sort of centralized some of the delivery. I know

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<v Speaker 2>from points south of Dayton that would normally have gone

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<v Speaker 2>to a Dayton processing center coming from part of the

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<v Speaker 2>tri State, maybe go to Cincinnati instead of going to

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<v Speaker 2>Dayton's hub that's not there anymore. In all that region

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<v Speaker 2>in Dayton goes to Columbus before it even would go

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<v Speaker 2>to their next door neighbor's house, which is sort of bewildering.

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<v Speaker 2>Some have argued that some of the changes to the

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<v Speaker 2>postal services functioning and processes have been deliberately slowed down

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<v Speaker 2>for something such as this. Do you buy into that

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<v Speaker 2>or is that paranoia and more of the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>tenfoil hat wearing conspiracists out there.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you think, Oh, I was living and working in Dayton,

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<v Speaker 5>moved to Cincinnati, and I have noticed, you know, I

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<v Speaker 5>have insurance in that sort of thing, and my mail

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<v Speaker 5>is much slower because they mail it to me from Dayton,

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<v Speaker 5>but it goes to Columbus yep, and then it gets

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<v Speaker 5>I have personally noticed the change since they closed that

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<v Speaker 5>big Dayton hub. I don't know what the rationale was.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, our Secretary of State they audit every election.

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<v Speaker 5>The level of fraud is small. They may also be

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<v Speaker 5>challenging people in terms of their citizenship. This could be

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<v Speaker 5>a very interesting year, especially if you haven't voted before

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<v Speaker 5>or if you're a new citizen, and it will be

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<v Speaker 5>you know, it's an off year election, so the roles

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<v Speaker 5>will probably be smaller, but we want to encourage participation

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<v Speaker 5>and confidence in the system.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know the governor was he was really reserved

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<v Speaker 5>about it. But there is there's a case pending in

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<v Speaker 5>another state, you know, to kill that four day grace period.

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<v Speaker 5>So the legislature sort of is ahead of the curve

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<v Speaker 5>on this one. But you know, the voting fraud is

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<v Speaker 5>so small, uh, if it will be tight, remember to

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<v Speaker 5>take your ID with you. That's also required if you're

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<v Speaker 5>voting in Ohio. But measures like this, uh, particular for people,

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<v Speaker 5>you know who maybe are on a rural route. What

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<v Speaker 5>if you're in a nursing home. What if if you're

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<v Speaker 5>in hospital and you you know, or you're you're you're disabled,

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<v Speaker 5>students who are living away from home, they're you know

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<v Speaker 5>there these people have very valid reasons for needing an

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<v Speaker 5>absentee ballot process, but they're going to have to move

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<v Speaker 5>up the timeline. The burden is going to be on

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<v Speaker 5>the voter this time to make sure your vote is.

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<v Speaker 3>Counted doctor Flake.

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<v Speaker 2>Something that comes up regularly is to talk about it

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<v Speaker 2>and say, other countries where they will have a day

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<v Speaker 2>off and the sort of the national holiday for people to

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<v Speaker 2>go on election day in some places obviously even longer

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<v Speaker 2>than our early voting that takes place at more of

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<v Speaker 2>elections county facilities around All eighty eight and Ohio, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's pretty standard and a lot of places around the country.

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<v Speaker 2>Are there big problems systemically in other places around the

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<v Speaker 2>world where they have it a little bit more stretched out,

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<v Speaker 2>in a little bit more openness, or are we on

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<v Speaker 2>the right side of this? I mean, nobody wants impropriety,

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<v Speaker 2>wrongdoing or shady things that changing the outcome of an

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<v Speaker 2>election of what the people want doing.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, I mean it is you know, the integrity

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<v Speaker 5>and the public confidence in the integrity.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, states that do.

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<v Speaker 5>Online voting show very high levels of compliance and an

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<v Speaker 5>absence of fraud. States that require voting. Countries we just

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<v Speaker 5>had an election in Chile, voting is mandatory. You may

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<v Speaker 5>get some time off, but you have to vote. So

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<v Speaker 5>the variation across how countries practice a synth uh we

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<v Speaker 5>I wish we could think of a you know, a

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<v Speaker 5>more direct way, perhaps to incentivize people a national holiday.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh that that that will be tricky in in times

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<v Speaker 5>like this because you know that's an expense for offices,

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<v Speaker 5>et cetera.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's it's been discussed.

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<v Speaker 5>For a long time. I don't think we're going to

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<v Speaker 5>see that one. I'm holding my breast at the legislature

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<v Speaker 5>will now move on to figure out how to fund

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<v Speaker 5>public education in Ohio. You know, wait, wait, waiting for

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<v Speaker 5>the for the big one to happen. But an online

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<v Speaker 5>voting would would address so many of these problems, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>particularly with the delays, three or four delays, it's very

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<v Speaker 5>rare for it to have changed the outcome of an election,

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<v Speaker 5>extremely rare. Ohio voters tend to be pretty confident, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>despite our public discourse that talks about stolen elections and fraud,

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<v Speaker 5>Ohio voters have an above average level of confidence. And

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<v Speaker 5>and I think you know, Frank LeRose is Secretary of State.

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<v Speaker 5>He's been auditing them as as is his job.

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<v Speaker 1>Traud.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, the audits just come out clean every time.

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<v Speaker 5>So we'll have a lower turnout. It's it's an off year,

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<v Speaker 5>but we're going to have some good races in Ohio,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm I'm glad that on radio we can remind

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<v Speaker 5>people this is the rule has changed. And if you know,

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<v Speaker 5>if you have typically voted absentee, get it in early.

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<v Speaker 5>Make sure it's postmarked by the day of the election.

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<v Speaker 5>That is the best thing that you can do. Do

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<v Speaker 5>it early and be sure it's postmarked on the day

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<v Speaker 5>of the election, and it should be counted. And if

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<v Speaker 5>you happen to be on active duty, there's going to

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<v Speaker 5>be special attention paid to those ballots, as there should be,

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<v Speaker 5>as we would all hope that there would be. It's

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<v Speaker 5>going to be an interesting election. It's just so much

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<v Speaker 5>going on right now.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's so many things.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had people paying me doctor Slake in the midst

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<v Speaker 2>of this conversation. What about naming on buildings and putting

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<v Speaker 2>a phases up, like you know, a dictator is another

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<v Speaker 2>part of the world. I don't know it is there

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<v Speaker 2>regular to put name on stuff of somebody sitting in office.

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<v Speaker 2>Usually it comes after they have passed and people who

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<v Speaker 2>support them and want to memorialize them as happened. Also questions,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, about the legality of taking out boats in

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<v Speaker 2>and around Venezuela and we've talked about regime change there

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<v Speaker 2>and how the US historically has not exactly been very

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<v Speaker 2>successful in trying to overturn governments or get people out

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<v Speaker 2>of office and install either our puppets or ones that

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<v Speaker 2>we find more conducive to our business needs or our

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<v Speaker 2>national security needs. Let's, in short order, in about three minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>explain if you can, or at least your take on

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on with Venezuela, because I think that is

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<v Speaker 2>maybe more top of mind for a lot of us

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<v Speaker 2>who maybe have friends and family in the military and navy,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe we've seen a little of this dog and

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<v Speaker 2>pony show before in some fashion when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>us as a nation looking to somehow else someone elsewhere

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<v Speaker 2>for a number of other reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it is regime change.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I think that that's that's that's what they're not

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<v Speaker 5>saying out loud very often to put financial pressure on

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<v Speaker 5>Venezuela and also indirectly on Cuba, which is kept a

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<v Speaker 5>float financially by what used to be Russian oil and

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<v Speaker 5>now it's it's Venezuelan oil.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard an.

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<v Speaker 5>Analyst this weekend say Maduro is so well protected, particularly

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<v Speaker 5>by his Cuban bodyguard. That the smartest way to have

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<v Speaker 5>regime change without complete chaos following would be to put

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<v Speaker 5>the entire Venezuelan military on the American payroll.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 5>Can we do that, I thought in the long run,

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<v Speaker 5>given given what it costs to have diverted ten percent

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<v Speaker 5>or so of our our forces to the Caribbean. Seriously,

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<v Speaker 5>what happens after the regime change?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good question. I think the Venezuelans would

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<v Speaker 2>like to know too.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I think they would.

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<v Speaker 5>Is there a good model of regime change that has

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<v Speaker 5>ended well for the people, for the economy, and for

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<v Speaker 5>the region. Like you said earlier, there's not a long

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<v Speaker 5>list of those good models, and quite frankly, I'm not

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<v Speaker 5>sure how extensive. Right now, we're sort of scaring off

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<v Speaker 5>the tankers. We're chasing them away before they could load up.

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<v Speaker 5>It's going to cause a little pinch to the Chinese,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, the major customer of the Venezuelans. I've been,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, reading up on Venezuela. But you know, the

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<v Speaker 5>first time I ever read about Venezuela back in the fifties,

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<v Speaker 5>they helped get opequ organized, So that country has always

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<v Speaker 5>had a strong sense of you know, their national wealth

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<v Speaker 5>it's in petroleum, and that their national self determination depends

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<v Speaker 5>upon their ability to control their country's wealth. So they

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<v Speaker 5>worked with several Arab states to create what we know

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<v Speaker 5>today as you know, a great, big oil cartel. But

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<v Speaker 5>that census nationalism, national pride, and pressing the Venezuelans on

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<v Speaker 5>this point, Sterling is almost guaranteed to get a real

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<v Speaker 5>aggressive pushback from the Maduro regime.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, as a.

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<v Speaker 5>Political science is my question is, okay, so after you've

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<v Speaker 5>changed the head of the regime, what then that's.

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<v Speaker 3>A solid question. I'm sorry, he's an.

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<v Speaker 5>Office because of the stolen elections and he was able

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<v Speaker 5>to miss the pressure to overturn him. He is unpopular

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<v Speaker 5>in his country, but he is well guarded and the

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<v Speaker 5>military is keeping him in office right now, so this

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<v Speaker 5>thing will be coming to a head. I just wonder what,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, Stage two and three and four is, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>if we have offered him exile someplace, but how to

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<v Speaker 5>have continuity without the chaos that typically follows a violent

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<v Speaker 5>regime change.

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<v Speaker 2>And the other interesting thing that we're out of time.

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<v Speaker 2>But one of the things here is that that crude

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<v Speaker 2>oil from Venezuela is easier to process with the facilities

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<v Speaker 2>that we have that don't get built very fast in

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<v Speaker 2>parts of Louisiana and all up and down most of

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<v Speaker 2>the country. So there is obviously oil at the forefront

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<v Speaker 2>of this too, not just the idea, which is of

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<v Speaker 2>course our national security. It's not just the idea of drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>That's sort of a dog and pony show. Arguably, it's

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<v Speaker 2>always great to get in your head talking voting, talking

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<v Speaker 2>national security and everything else. It's always good to have

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<v Speaker 2>you here, your perspective and insights. Former head of political

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<v Speaker 2>science at Wright State now Professor Meredith Cincinnati Kid doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Dona Schleheck. Have yourself a great Christmas Honukah at Kwanta

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<v Speaker 2>the holiday the new Year.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll check in with again.

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<v Speaker 4>Soon Mary, Christmas.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks, take care of yourself. More sterling coming back.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Daniman Fox nineteen don't talk food day, whip me

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<v Speaker 2>after your nine thirty report on seven hundred WLW.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, well, well it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was like Sazime Street easy good times in the summer

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<v Speaker 2>sun where at least December sunshine of South Florida for

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<v Speaker 2>those Bengals on the road yesterday with a big dominating

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<v Speaker 2>win over the Dolphins, who really aren't that great, and

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<v Speaker 2>this Bengals team somehow looked a little closer to what

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<v Speaker 2>we expected than the look all year, but injuries and

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<v Speaker 2>there's all kinds of the weirdness that went with that baggage.

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<v Speaker 3>Your twenty five season so far.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Daniman knows covers Bengals and everything else sports for

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<v Speaker 2>Fox nineteen, giving us some time. How are you, how's everything?

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<v Speaker 2>And how was the weekend? I know you did some

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<v Speaker 2>stuff with the family.

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<v Speaker 4>Too, Yes, the weekend was wonderful, getting a chance to

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<v Speaker 4>see my boys played some high school basketball this weekend

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<v Speaker 4>before watching the Bengals play on Sunday. And a Merry

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<v Speaker 4>Christmas to you. I hope you get to enjoy some.

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<v Speaker 3>Time off this week sot enjoy the holidays, Absolutely, you too.

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<v Speaker 3>What about this Bengals team?

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<v Speaker 2>All of a sudden, after what was a demoralizing shutout

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<v Speaker 2>loss which has not happened very often in recent years

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<v Speaker 2>for the Bengals against the Ravens, they take a trip

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<v Speaker 2>south and you kind of like, well, what's this Bengals

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<v Speaker 2>team gonna do? Are they just gonna work on the

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<v Speaker 2>future and see what other guys can they've tried some

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<v Speaker 2>other guys out a Burrow, Chase Higgins, Chase Brown. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>all of the offensive weapons clicking, especially the second half.

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<v Speaker 2>Just pounded those fish or I guess there are a porpoise,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a mammal.

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>The dolphin is what it is, and I hear it's

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<v Speaker 2>good on it. They're good eating. But I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to eat a dolphin. I really don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I try to think back to what ah Ventura said

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<v Speaker 4>about the difference between a porpoise in a mammal in

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<v Speaker 4>the movie, but it felt like the ultimate get right

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<v Speaker 4>spot for the Bengals to play the Dolphins, playing a

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<v Speaker 4>rookie quarterback and a seventh round rookie in that and

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<v Speaker 4>coming off the shutout loss to the Baltimore Ravens. To

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<v Speaker 4>see what it looks like yesterday. That has to be

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<v Speaker 4>both at the same time a great feeling for Bengals

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<v Speaker 4>fans to see it, and also at the same time

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<v Speaker 4>the big what if of what this season could have

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<v Speaker 4>been and what these last three years could have been.

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<v Speaker 4>When you see what it looks like the Big three

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<v Speaker 4>are firing like they did on Sunday with mar chse

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<v Speaker 4>T Higgins and Joe Burrow.

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<v Speaker 1>And now it's got.

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<v Speaker 4>To be urgent on the organization again when you're reminded

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<v Speaker 4>what it looks like that if you just put the

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<v Speaker 4>pieces around the big three to be successful, it's as

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<v Speaker 4>dangerous an offense as there is in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>And they've got to get it right.

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<v Speaker 4>They've got to get the right people around those three

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<v Speaker 4>for this team to play better football in twenty twenty six,

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<v Speaker 4>because what they have in those three is pretty darn special,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think the numbers would show it out, but

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<v Speaker 4>our eyeballs held the tail for us as well. We

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<v Speaker 4>all saw it, we know it, we know what it

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<v Speaker 4>looks like, and it happened again, and I think it

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<v Speaker 4>again reminds the front office what they've got to do

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<v Speaker 4>right next year for this team to be in position

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<v Speaker 4>to be playing in January.

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<v Speaker 2>Talking to Joe Danman Fox nineteen, it's at Fox nineteen, Joe,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're on ex or Twitter, whatever you want to call.

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<v Speaker 2>It was Sterling on the big one the spine Monday night.

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<v Speaker 2>We also saw a defense that look tremendous, But again

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<v Speaker 2>it's the Dolphins and it's been a struggle for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time. They've had draft after draft after draft, high

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<v Speaker 2>top type draft picks. And my question to you is

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<v Speaker 2>is it a development problem? Is it a talent problem?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it a coaching problem? Why has the defense been

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<v Speaker 2>so consistently inconsistent for so long? Regardless who is where

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<v Speaker 2>worn that hat is ahead of that defense when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to you know, I guess coaching for one of

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<v Speaker 2>a better way.

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<v Speaker 4>If I had to land on one answer, I think

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<v Speaker 4>I would land on a talent evaluation problem. That when

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<v Speaker 4>they go into the draft and they target these players,

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<v Speaker 4>and you go back to the draft just this last

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<v Speaker 4>spring and all the talking heads who were pointing towards

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<v Speaker 4>certain players for the Bengals to take, and those players

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<v Speaker 4>being available, and the Bengals deciding to put their draft

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<v Speaker 4>pick on someone else and bank on their ability to

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<v Speaker 4>coach that person up and get quality football out of them.

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<v Speaker 4>And it felt risky with some of their picks, especially

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<v Speaker 4>the first two picks, Shamar Stewart and Demetrius Knight. And

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<v Speaker 4>here we are now sixteen weeks into the season, and

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<v Speaker 4>I really don't know if you have a great grasp

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<v Speaker 4>on what you have, and really any of these rookies,

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<v Speaker 4>especially Shamar Stewart, who hasn't played a lot of football.

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<v Speaker 4>He certainly flashed a little bit Sunday in Miami, but

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<v Speaker 4>he hasn't played a ton, so I'm not sure if

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<v Speaker 4>you know what kind of a commodity he is. Demetrious

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<v Speaker 4>Knight has been up and down in his rookie season,

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<v Speaker 4>so the jury's still out on him. Barrett Carter is

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<v Speaker 4>one that I'm sure Bengals fans are hoping either starts

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<v Speaker 4>to show that he can play at a level where

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<v Speaker 4>he deserves to start, or the Bengalis think about either

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<v Speaker 4>investing in free agency or the draft with another high

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<v Speaker 4>draft pick of finding someone to play that linebacker spot

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<v Speaker 4>that they can rely on a little bit more. But

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<v Speaker 4>I think what's the most important about the second half

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<v Speaker 4>of this season with the defense, And let's be honest,

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<v Speaker 4>they have been and better. Now the bar was really

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<v Speaker 4>low for them to be better, but to have been

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit better incrementally here in the second half

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<v Speaker 4>of the season. And I do think you can pick

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<v Speaker 4>out certain players that have played well and you can say, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>they can be contributors in the future. The guys like

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<v Speaker 4>Miles Murphy who we didn't know if he could be

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<v Speaker 4>a contributor, I think he's shown here in the last

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<v Speaker 4>month and a half that he can do that. DJ Turner,

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<v Speaker 4>Dax Hill, guys that have proven this year they can

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<v Speaker 4>be contributors. I think Jordan Battle, while he's not perfect,

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<v Speaker 4>has made enough plays this year that you can rely

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<v Speaker 4>on him to be a contributor. So that's what I'm

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<v Speaker 4>watching for the final two weeks, especially the rookies. Tamar Stewart,

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<v Speaker 4>Demetrius Knight, Barrett Carter. Can these guys continue to show

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<v Speaker 4>the kind of flashes that at least validate the Bengal

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<v Speaker 4>is looking forward to twenty twenty six and say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>these are guys we can rely on to contribute.

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<v Speaker 1>To a defense.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's going to have to get a lot better,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's going to have to get a lot better

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<v Speaker 4>in agency, not just the draft. The Bengals have got

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<v Speaker 4>to do it. They've got to go for it in

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<v Speaker 4>a free agency for this defense to make the kind

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<v Speaker 4>of jump it has to make next year for the

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<v Speaker 4>Big three to be able to play in playoff games.

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<v Speaker 2>Talking to Joe Danaman Fox nineteen Sports Sterling seven hundred

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<v Speaker 2>wlw uh, it's harder from people I've talked to to

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<v Speaker 2>develop and have younger guys come in on a defense

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<v Speaker 2>than it is on the offense.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you buy that?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean going out and getting pieces of more experienced players.

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<v Speaker 2>I know there have been some injury issues. We obviously

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<v Speaker 2>know guys who were expected to be here have not

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily been here for the whole ride this season, or

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<v Speaker 2>playing less than eight hundred percent, which is fairly common anyway.

0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:44.520
<v Speaker 2>But to have some guys on defense that are players

0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:48.399
<v Speaker 2>that are gamers, that are not green, it's is it

0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:51.120
<v Speaker 2>really harder on defense than offense to get out there

0:23:51.280 --> 0:23:52.040
<v Speaker 2>and get it clicking?

0:23:53.359 --> 0:23:55.560
<v Speaker 4>I think on offense, there's a lot of plug and

0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:59.160
<v Speaker 4>play positions in football that you can put a guy

0:23:59.160 --> 0:24:01.920
<v Speaker 4>out there and and they can make plays right away

0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:06.600
<v Speaker 4>when you plug them. In defense, just in general, and

0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:09.320
<v Speaker 4>this is going to sound very rudimentary, but just in general,

0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:13.520
<v Speaker 4>it's very much more a read and react kind of

0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:16.680
<v Speaker 4>spot on the football field. And so yeah, I think

0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:20.240
<v Speaker 4>part of the problem the first eight weeks of the season,

0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:23.760
<v Speaker 4>especially when Dak Taylor and the coaching staff committed to

0:24:23.800 --> 0:24:27.840
<v Speaker 4>going to these two rookie linebackers, is understanding these guys

0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:30.320
<v Speaker 4>have to figure out where to line up, what are

0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:33.240
<v Speaker 4>their keys, where do they go, how do they react?

0:24:33.240 --> 0:24:36.480
<v Speaker 4>And you're seeing teams through a lot of misdirection to

0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:39.159
<v Speaker 4>try to test the eye discipline of these guys to

0:24:39.200 --> 0:24:42.840
<v Speaker 4>make sure that they, without a lot of experience, can

0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:44.920
<v Speaker 4>make the kind of right read and go to the

0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:48.200
<v Speaker 4>right spot. Now, even when they are doing that, you're

0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:51.920
<v Speaker 4>still seeing some problems pop up with tackling, and that

0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:56.040
<v Speaker 4>isn't something that should happen at this level, especially if

0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:59.040
<v Speaker 4>you're a high draft pick like Matrius Knight and Barrett

0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:01.760
<v Speaker 4>Carter who was a relatively high draft pick as well.

0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:05.560
<v Speaker 4>But I think in general, the development on the defensive

0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:08.800
<v Speaker 4>side of the football is probably more growing pain than

0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:12.679
<v Speaker 4>the offensive side. Certainly, Dylan Fairchild has been plugged in

0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:14.840
<v Speaker 4>right there at the offensive line and has played a

0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:18.200
<v Speaker 4>solid season Dat Taylor said as much today, But he's

0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:21.600
<v Speaker 4>also right next to two really betteran guys who can

0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:24.560
<v Speaker 4>help cover up for his mistakes. You look on defense

0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:28.280
<v Speaker 4>to Meetrius Knight and Barrett Carter make mistakes. Who's really

0:25:28.320 --> 0:25:32.080
<v Speaker 4>back there to help them cover up those mistakes? Gino Stones,

0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:35.280
<v Speaker 4>That's not a great thing for a defense. And I

0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:38.280
<v Speaker 4>think two as I say Geno Stones name, I think too,

0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:42.600
<v Speaker 4>what's important where this defense can show the guys that

0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:45.880
<v Speaker 4>you can count on to contribute in twenty twenty six.

0:25:45.920 --> 0:25:48.399
<v Speaker 4>I think it's also important to understand that the Bengals

0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:51.040
<v Speaker 4>coaching staff and the organization now gets to look at

0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:53.480
<v Speaker 4>the guys they don't want to count on in twenty

0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:57.280
<v Speaker 4>twenty six, and those guys have proven themselves this year

0:25:57.840 --> 0:26:01.160
<v Speaker 4>that some aren't good enough to be relied upon going

0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:03.320
<v Speaker 4>into next year, and that there have to be changes.

0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:05.560
<v Speaker 4>And certainly safety is one of those positions where the

0:26:05.600 --> 0:26:08.000
<v Speaker 4>Bengals have to make a change. So it's not just

0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:11.800
<v Speaker 4>the guys who are flashing and developing and getting better

0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:15.199
<v Speaker 4>that you can rely upon. It's also making the assessments

0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:17.639
<v Speaker 4>on the guys that you have to move on from.

0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:19.840
<v Speaker 4>And I think the Bengals have gotten a long look

0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:22.159
<v Speaker 4>at both of those and have some decisions to make.

0:26:22.040 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Here in a couple of weeks now it's clear that

0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:28.400
<v Speaker 2>there's almost been sort of there's the learning curve that's

0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:30.280
<v Speaker 2>been shortened, and you get to see some guys in

0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:32.800
<v Speaker 2>showcase in the midst of what has been an ugly season,

0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:34.399
<v Speaker 2>you know, and you know, it's all we want the

0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:36.520
<v Speaker 2>guys to start strong, you know, And so they did

0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:38.399
<v Speaker 2>they go like what two and oho to starts they're like,

0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:41.000
<v Speaker 2>oh four, and then you go, oh, Joe's toe, and

0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:42.959
<v Speaker 2>then you get Flacco, I mean, and then you go, well,

0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:45.320
<v Speaker 2>he only wins one. How is that possible? They only

0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:47.400
<v Speaker 2>could win a couple more games? How much better would

0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:50.399
<v Speaker 2>this whole circumstance be coming from the AFC North. They

0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:52.720
<v Speaker 2>could have been in contention for the AFC North tidle

0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:55.680
<v Speaker 2>and go in that way if there would just been

0:26:55.920 --> 0:26:57.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, how many of these games have been just

0:26:58.119 --> 0:27:01.119
<v Speaker 2>a score away, a field goal, even just a point

0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:04.120
<v Speaker 2>where you're like watching or listening to Lap and Hoard

0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:07.720
<v Speaker 2>and you're just like, oh, my head's gonna explode. It's

0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:10.920
<v Speaker 2>just ridiculous, and I think I care too much Joe Danaman.

0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:14.840
<v Speaker 4>But if you think about the Jets and the Bears

0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:18.119
<v Speaker 4>game though, those are those one score one play games

0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:20.560
<v Speaker 4>that very much were winnable for the Bengalis, and if

0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:22.480
<v Speaker 4>they win them, here they are seven and eight and

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:24.800
<v Speaker 4>week fifteen and they might have a pulse in the

0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:27.320
<v Speaker 4>AMC North. But it's been such an odd season because

0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:30.920
<v Speaker 4>it feels like it's been three different seasons in one

0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:33.760
<v Speaker 4>maybe even four where they had the start of the year,

0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:35.600
<v Speaker 4>and you mentioned it. Everybody said get off to the

0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:38.480
<v Speaker 4>fast start, and they did that. That includes beating a

0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:41.800
<v Speaker 4>Jacksonville Jaguars team right now who is as hot as

0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:44.119
<v Speaker 4>anybody in the AFC and might be one of the

0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:47.359
<v Speaker 4>favorites to play for an AFC championship here in about

0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:49.159
<v Speaker 4>a month. So you can see what they look like

0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:50.760
<v Speaker 4>when they have their team together.

0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:51.880
<v Speaker 1>So that was season one.

0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:55.600
<v Speaker 4>Then Joe goes down, and season two was this midsmash

0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:58.920
<v Speaker 4>of Jake Browning and Joe Flacco, and then season three

0:27:59.080 --> 0:28:01.439
<v Speaker 4>was Joe Burrow's come back, and you look at what

0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:03.600
<v Speaker 4>they've done, and I think it's important to look at

0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:06.439
<v Speaker 4>what this team has done with Joe Burrow the last

0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:08.639
<v Speaker 4>and let's go back to last year, the last twelve

0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:11.960
<v Speaker 4>thirteen weeks, because they've won the final five games. Last

0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:14.119
<v Speaker 4>year with Joe, they won the first two and that

0:28:14.160 --> 0:28:17.160
<v Speaker 4>includes bidding a good Jacksonville team a playoff team. Then

0:28:17.200 --> 0:28:18.760
<v Speaker 4>he comes back and they go on the road and

0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:22.800
<v Speaker 4>beat a good Baltimore team, and then they have Buffalo

0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 4>on the ropes in the fourth quarter before the turnovers happen,

0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:31.200
<v Speaker 4>and then the Baltimore game. So outside of the Baltimore game,

0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:33.960
<v Speaker 4>the one at home where the Bengals were shut out.

0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:38.680
<v Speaker 4>When the Bengals have Joe Burrow playing their competitives and

0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:41.840
<v Speaker 4>they're playing with some of the better teams and beating

0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:44.600
<v Speaker 4>some of the better teams in the AFC, So they're

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:48.600
<v Speaker 4>not far away, right, and it's not just getting.

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:48.920
<v Speaker 1>To the playoffs.

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:51.480
<v Speaker 4>And I think that's important to hammer home when you

0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:55.200
<v Speaker 4>start talking about all the changes that Joe Burrow is

0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:59.560
<v Speaker 4>hinting towards in the offseason, whether or not that's coaching changes,

0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 4>whether or not that's funt office changes. The changes have

0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:07.160
<v Speaker 4>to be urgency and free agency for this team to

0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:09.440
<v Speaker 4>not only say, okay, what do we have to do

0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:12.520
<v Speaker 4>to get back to the playoffs. This is a championship level,

0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:16.200
<v Speaker 4>top heavy team with those three. So if you surround

0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:19.360
<v Speaker 4>the right players around those three, you're not just competing

0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:22.000
<v Speaker 4>with playoff teams like they've done this year with Joe Burrow.

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 4>You're beating them. And if you're beating them, you can

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:26.120
<v Speaker 4>compete for championships.

0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:28.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it helps. I mean, you don't even need

0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:31.520
<v Speaker 2>an extraordinary defense. You need a serviceable defense with an

0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:33.800
<v Speaker 2>offense that scores the way they do, which at times

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:36.280
<v Speaker 2>seems like it's at will, which is an amazing thing.

0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:38.840
<v Speaker 2>When they're hitting it, it's it almost looks like it's

0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:42.280
<v Speaker 2>slow motion, which is is a wild thing. But we'll

0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:44.320
<v Speaker 2>see how it comes together. Anything I have not asked.

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:45.760
<v Speaker 2>I know we need to let you go on about

0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:48.440
<v Speaker 2>your day and enjoy Christmas time and family and friends

0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:49.960
<v Speaker 2>and everything else that's going on.

0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:54.160
<v Speaker 3>Joe Danaman, if I can ask you a question, Oh.

0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 1>No you oh here we go?

0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:58.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, okay, oh no, Christmas week, yes, yes, it's

0:29:58.480 --> 0:29:59.120
<v Speaker 3>Christmas Week.

0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:01.080
<v Speaker 4>I have three boys, and I'm trying to think of

0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:07.120
<v Speaker 4>a last minute great gift, and I'm thinking Bengals tickets.

0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:10.480
<v Speaker 4>Is that a good gift because they're out of the playoffs.

0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:13.160
<v Speaker 4>But it's a home game, it's a winnable game, Joe

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:16.320
<v Speaker 4>Burrow is playing, and two of my boys have never

0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:19.280
<v Speaker 4>gone to a Bengals game. So is that a good

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:22.360
<v Speaker 4>gift from a dad to a son to give them

0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:25.320
<v Speaker 4>tickets to a game that doesn't have any playoff meeting?

0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:27.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, just to be serious, one, let's forget about the

0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:30.560
<v Speaker 2>fact that you're Joe Danaman, Fox nineteen Sports, who knows people,

0:30:30.760 --> 0:30:34.360
<v Speaker 2>who has connections, So let's start there.

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:36.120
<v Speaker 3>I think it's a no brainer. Yeah.

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:37.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean you get to go to pay Corps, you

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:40.880
<v Speaker 2>get to get up close and personal and watch NFL football,

0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Bengals go at it with Joe Burrow, Jamar, Chase T.

0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Higgins if his head's right still, Chase Brown, p Ryan

0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 2>who was all over the place, and a defense that

0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:51.560
<v Speaker 2>maybe can do some work. I mean they got the Cardinals, right,

0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:52.360
<v Speaker 2>you got the Browns.

0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:52.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:54.480
<v Speaker 3>In fact, I want to be one of your kids

0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:59.240
<v Speaker 3>right now is bright? No, they should be happy.

0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:04.040
<v Speaker 4>It's about to be decently warm on Sunday. Although I've

0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:08.200
<v Speaker 4>heard the word storms for first Sunday. We'll see about that.

0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:10.640
<v Speaker 4>What a wild thing that would be in late December.

0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:11.840
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, I think I'm gonna do it. I think

0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:16.640
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna make that my last minute gift.

0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:18.719
<v Speaker 2>I think I think it's a great choice. Even mister Waddell,

0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:20.880
<v Speaker 2>who's producing, is like, well what about us? What about us?

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:24.200
<v Speaker 2>I totally get that. Yeah, it's always good to talk

0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:26.240
<v Speaker 2>to you. I hope you have a great Christmas and

0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:27.959
<v Speaker 2>a great New Year. If we don't connect again, I

0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:31.280
<v Speaker 2>appreciate you bringing what you do and certainly watching it

0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:33.680
<v Speaker 2>and seeing what you bring. On Fox nineteen Joe Daniman,

0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:36.400
<v Speaker 2>thank you and take care of yourself and have fun.

0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:40.720
<v Speaker 4>With the boys Sunday. Christ I appreciate it. Merry Christmas, guys.

0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Take care of yourself more Sterling coming back seven hundred

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<v Speaker 2>W WELLW here we are a couple of minutes away

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<v Speaker 2>from your ten o'clock report. It's a Monday night, Sterling.

0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:49.720
<v Speaker 2>Garrett Jeff was on earlier.

0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:50.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm here now.

0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:53.960
<v Speaker 2>It's the holidays, Christmas kwans Hanikah a full effect right

0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 2>now and just trying to get through it. And I

0:31:58.000 --> 0:32:04.120
<v Speaker 2>just picked up a Mark, a criminal defense counsel superstar,

0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:07.600
<v Speaker 2>gonna join us after the ten o'clock report to try

0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:11.760
<v Speaker 2>to make sense of It's an odd case because you

0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:15.000
<v Speaker 2>have a case about a woman, Rodea Nathan, who lost

0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:17.240
<v Speaker 2>her life at the hand of another. She was murdered,

0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:20.200
<v Speaker 2>brutally beaten in a hotel room at Embassy Suites, Blue

0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:23.200
<v Speaker 2>ash in like a third and was it ninety three,

0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 2>ninety five somewhere at ninety four, so we're talking in

0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:29.840
<v Speaker 2>excess of thirty years ago. There was a guy tried

0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:33.360
<v Speaker 2>who worked there, his name Elwood Jones. He the whole

0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 2>time is our prisons are filled with people who say

0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:38.240
<v Speaker 2>they're innocent, and he said he was innocent. He's kept

0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:41.720
<v Speaker 2>to that story. Then people start fighting for him. They say, listen,

0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:47.720
<v Speaker 2>it's circumstantial evidence. That doesn't mean anything. DNA hepatitis, no hepatitis,

0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:50.840
<v Speaker 2>there's something, And they go, okay, fine, we can't try

0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:52.840
<v Speaker 2>you again. I think it's called no prejudice on the

0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:56.280
<v Speaker 2>overturnament or what have you, and I'll probably be corrected.

0:32:56.680 --> 0:32:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Mister Crumbine momentarily, that's why he's here. He knows what's what.

0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:03.479
<v Speaker 2>And then just a couple days later, Joe Dieters now

0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 2>in the Supreme Court, used to be prosecutor, comes out

0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 2>and says, that's a bunch of crap. We had what

0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:10.720
<v Speaker 2>we needed. He should be locked up. He is guilty.

0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:15.400
<v Speaker 2>And then a day or two after that, Miss Somarco,

0:33:15.960 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 2>she's the coroner here in Hamilton County, she comes out,

0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:22.120
<v Speaker 2>apparently they have for research, they've done study, they look

0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:26.719
<v Speaker 2>into che tech I guess whatever biological pieces in parts

0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:30.120
<v Speaker 2>of samples that they had that were still viable, and

0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:34.040
<v Speaker 2>then apparently there's no hepatitis shown. Now a defense council

0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:37.400
<v Speaker 2>says that's wrong. Of course, they're defending their client. So

0:33:37.640 --> 0:33:41.480
<v Speaker 2>I would like to just have an experienced criminal counselor

0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:44.480
<v Speaker 2>on who's been on the side both sides effectively of

0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 2>this type of circumstance to say, one, we don't want

0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:50.840
<v Speaker 2>anybody railroaded. I think that's clear. No one should be

0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:53.320
<v Speaker 2>put away and due time for a crime they didn't commit.

0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:55.040
<v Speaker 2>On the other side of it, you want someone who's

0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:58.440
<v Speaker 2>culpable to be held accountable in some type of justice

0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:00.920
<v Speaker 2>for someone who can't speak for themselves and their family

0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:03.520
<v Speaker 2>members who died at the hand of another in a

0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:06.720
<v Speaker 2>brutal fashion. So we'll get into Mark Crumbine's brain about

0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:10.120
<v Speaker 2>this case and maybe how many people could be locked

0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:13.640
<v Speaker 2>up who shouldn't be, and maybe sometimes how people get

0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:16.720
<v Speaker 2>away with stuff that they should not because they actually

0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:19.000
<v Speaker 2>did cause harm to another. I guess you work the

0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:21.440
<v Speaker 2>system in some cases, or you don't have what you

0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:23.920
<v Speaker 2>need to get a conviction when it comes to evidence.

0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:26.960
<v Speaker 2>So Mark Crumbine joins me after your ten o'clock report

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:29.279
<v Speaker 2>the latest on what's going on around the tri State

0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:31.920
<v Speaker 2>and the planet Earth that matters to us. Here on

0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:34.279
<v Speaker 2>a Monday night, Sterling, where the Hooda got a big

0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:36.080
<v Speaker 2>win over the fish in a game that arguably didn't

0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:38.480
<v Speaker 2>matter yesterday, and they got three more to go, and

0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:40.160
<v Speaker 2>they're reds who will be in the desert in just

0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:44.520
<v Speaker 2>a matter of weeks. Here the Nation Station seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati.

0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:45.879
<v Speaker 3>Here we are.

0:34:45.920 --> 0:34:48.680
<v Speaker 2>It's a fine Monday night, sterling hanging out. Hope you're

0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:51.680
<v Speaker 2>doing okay. The holidays are upon them. Hope you and

0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:54.160
<v Speaker 2>yours are enjoying yourself. A lot of people already on

0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:56.160
<v Speaker 2>the road getting where they're going. And the idea of

0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 2>being able to freely travel and to get around and

0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:02.120
<v Speaker 2>to visit family this time of year especially, I think

0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:04.799
<v Speaker 2>hits close to home. And for the better part of

0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:07.440
<v Speaker 2>thirty thirty five years, give or take the Nathan family

0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:10.120
<v Speaker 2>after the loss of RhoD and Nathan as she was

0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:14.040
<v Speaker 2>brutally beaten in a hotel room in Blue Ash, it

0:35:14.080 --> 0:35:16.480
<v Speaker 2>didn't leave a whole lot for them to celebrate over

0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:21.120
<v Speaker 2>well decades now, frankly and looking for closure and murder.

0:35:21.160 --> 0:35:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Police in Cincinnati or Blue Ash, and across the country

0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:26.680
<v Speaker 2>for that matter, Planet Earth do their best to speak

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:29.880
<v Speaker 2>for those who can't to get justice, to get retribution

0:35:30.160 --> 0:35:32.120
<v Speaker 2>for one of a better way to describe it, For

0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:35.799
<v Speaker 2>those who are responsible for the pain the suffering and

0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:39.640
<v Speaker 2>the lives taken of people who have been murdered. And

0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:42.120
<v Speaker 2>in the midst of this was a guy who worked

0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:46.720
<v Speaker 2>at this same hotel, Elwood Jones, who with circumstantial evidence,

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:50.239
<v Speaker 2>the law enforcement was able to find their way effectively

0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:54.080
<v Speaker 2>to a prosecution. As I understand it, and the whole way,

0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:56.799
<v Speaker 2>mister Jones had said that he was not guilty. Many

0:35:56.840 --> 0:35:59.080
<v Speaker 2>people do. In fact, prisons are filled with people who

0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:01.319
<v Speaker 2>say that they're in a A lot of people came

0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:05.200
<v Speaker 2>to his defense over these last three decades, and basically

0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:09.080
<v Speaker 2>there was an overturning of some of that process and

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:12.200
<v Speaker 2>saying now that he can't be retried for it, and

0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:14.120
<v Speaker 2>some of it was it was circumstantial. They did not

0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:17.719
<v Speaker 2>have DNA, there was a hepatitis question, and just in

0:36:17.760 --> 0:36:20.839
<v Speaker 2>the last week or so, it was the idea of

0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:25.439
<v Speaker 2>him not having to deal with another prosecution and Joe

0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:26.120
<v Speaker 2>Deaters came out.

0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:27.520
<v Speaker 3>It was a part of the prosecutor's office.

0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:28.880
<v Speaker 2>I think he may have been the DA at the

0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:33.120
<v Speaker 2>time here in Hamilton County who was behind the conviction

0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:35.000
<v Speaker 2>at this point, said that what had been discussed was

0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:37.719
<v Speaker 2>not legitimate, that they had more than enough evidence and

0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:42.279
<v Speaker 2>it was a legitimate, upstanding prosecution and conviction as I

0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:46.080
<v Speaker 2>understand it, his defense council says. Otherwise, as we are

0:36:46.120 --> 0:36:51.400
<v Speaker 2>now here, Coroner Somarco in Hamilton County comes out today.

0:36:51.800 --> 0:36:53.560
<v Speaker 2>You heard her here on the Big One even talking

0:36:53.560 --> 0:36:55.839
<v Speaker 2>about the fact that they did more testing there is

0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:59.759
<v Speaker 2>no hepatitis, so that the idea that there had been hepatitis,

0:36:59.880 --> 0:37:03.400
<v Speaker 2>and that the accused in this case, Owood Jones, would

0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:06.560
<v Speaker 2>not have been able to have committed this act without

0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:09.560
<v Speaker 2>finding himself exposed to an in fact, showing then some

0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:12.279
<v Speaker 2>type of positive sign for it was his way out

0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:15.000
<v Speaker 2>of being culpable. Kind of have to give us some

0:37:15.040 --> 0:37:17.160
<v Speaker 2>time who was dealt with more than his handful of

0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:21.240
<v Speaker 2>cases and defense of those who were facing death penalty,

0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:24.600
<v Speaker 2>capital murder cases or otherwise and been around in the

0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:28.120
<v Speaker 2>Tri State for quite a while doing this kind enough

0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:30.560
<v Speaker 2>to take my call and to show up in person

0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:33.880
<v Speaker 2>to talk about this as a criminal defense counsel Mark Crumbine,

0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:36.279
<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to seven hundred w welw, how are you

0:37:36.320 --> 0:37:37.080
<v Speaker 2>and happy holiday?

0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:39.000
<v Speaker 6>Oh thank you Shary. It's so great to be here

0:37:39.040 --> 0:37:41.279
<v Speaker 6>and so great to see again. Thank you for having

0:37:41.320 --> 0:37:41.920
<v Speaker 6>me here tonight.

0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:45.000
<v Speaker 2>How irregular is this case. This is a high profile case,

0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:49.160
<v Speaker 2>and I think anyone of any reasonable rational mind would say,

0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:52.799
<v Speaker 2>we want someone who is responsible for taking another's life

0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:55.640
<v Speaker 2>or causing another's harm, let alone property damage, but the

0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:58.319
<v Speaker 2>loss of life to be held accountable and to be

0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:00.400
<v Speaker 2>taken away and no longer a life, to playing the

0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:03.800
<v Speaker 2>big sandbox of life, or in some cases maybe execution

0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:07.160
<v Speaker 2>because we are a death penalty state. How often do

0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:09.799
<v Speaker 2>we see a case like this where they're convicted and

0:38:09.840 --> 0:38:13.520
<v Speaker 2>then they say, hey, subsequently there's no evidence. How often

0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:14.920
<v Speaker 2>because that's just the first part of.

0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:19.080
<v Speaker 6>This, Well, that's extremely unusual, and I don't think you know.

0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:21.800
<v Speaker 6>A couple of things I want to point out. Sometimes

0:38:21.800 --> 0:38:24.920
<v Speaker 6>people say, well, it's just a circumstantial evidence case, but

0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:28.000
<v Speaker 6>that there are a lot of cases that are circumstantial evidence.

0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:30.640
<v Speaker 6>That doesn't mean it's a good case or a bad case.

0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:34.840
<v Speaker 6>It just means that there's probably not an eyewitness, and

0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:37.719
<v Speaker 6>there aren't a lot of murders and things where there

0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:41.120
<v Speaker 6>are actually eyewitnesses. Otherwise there wouldn't be a lot of

0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:45.480
<v Speaker 6>trials if somebody saw it. So a lot of cases

0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:50.520
<v Speaker 6>go to trial. Circumstantial cases they could be great prosecution cases.

0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:51.520
<v Speaker 7>They could be very weak.

0:38:52.200 --> 0:38:56.239
<v Speaker 6>And then also I don't think necessarily anyone saying that

0:38:56.239 --> 0:39:01.799
<v Speaker 6>there's no evidence here against mister j Ownes. There was

0:39:01.840 --> 0:39:06.280
<v Speaker 6>some evidence, but apparently not sufficient evidence, and that doesn't

0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:09.640
<v Speaker 6>tell you certainly whether he did or didn't do it.

0:39:09.680 --> 0:39:12.920
<v Speaker 6>At this point, the case is the charges have been dismissed.

0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:17.520
<v Speaker 6>And again that gets to another concept. You can't prove Typically,

0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:21.120
<v Speaker 6>you cannot prove that you're not guilty when you if

0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:23.279
<v Speaker 6>you ever say that as a defense attorney, that could

0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:25.680
<v Speaker 6>be the end of your career. You can't prove it.

0:39:26.200 --> 0:39:28.839
<v Speaker 6>I mean, nobody can really prove they're innocent. And there

0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:31.920
<v Speaker 6>really is not an expectation in the Constitution of the

0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:33.120
<v Speaker 6>United States.

0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:34.640
<v Speaker 7>That we have to do that. We don't have to

0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:35.040
<v Speaker 7>do that.

0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:37.560
<v Speaker 2>That's up to the prosecution to prove that you're guilty

0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:39.920
<v Speaker 2>beyond a reasonable doubt. And the question here is is

0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:42.600
<v Speaker 2>there a reasonable doubt? And initially with this that they

0:39:42.800 --> 0:39:45.480
<v Speaker 2>felt that it was enough there to beyond a reasonable

0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:46.319
<v Speaker 2>doubt put him away.

0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:48.560
<v Speaker 6>Correct, Well, the jury thought that, yes, correct, yes, And

0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:52.040
<v Speaker 6>the jury thought that and that you know that doesn't

0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:55.399
<v Speaker 6>this is you know, my understanding. I don't think there's

0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:58.040
<v Speaker 6>you know, sometimes there will be a case where they'll say,

0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:02.000
<v Speaker 6>factually a court will decide that later on that the

0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:05.160
<v Speaker 6>persons didn't do it, for sure did But those are

0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:08.000
<v Speaker 6>so rare, they're like you can kind of on one hand.

0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:11.839
<v Speaker 6>Typically it's either not guilty at trial, or maybe if

0:40:11.840 --> 0:40:15.640
<v Speaker 6>you're found guilty it's thrown out. But that doesn't mean

0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:18.960
<v Speaker 6>there's some evidence, doesn't mean you did it. I mean, frankly,

0:40:19.040 --> 0:40:21.080
<v Speaker 6>you could be found guilty and still not have done it.

0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:24.800
<v Speaker 6>Of course, sure that happens sometimes so and I believe

0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:26.640
<v Speaker 6>that that's what mister Jones is saying.

0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:28.319
<v Speaker 3>In a circumstance like this.

0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:32.040
<v Speaker 2>Mare Crombine, criminal defense counsel, was Stirling seven hundred WLW

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:38.279
<v Speaker 2>talking about this horrible circumstance with Elwood Jones and the

0:40:38.320 --> 0:40:40.200
<v Speaker 2>loss of life of wrote to Nathan, and I think

0:40:40.600 --> 0:40:42.640
<v Speaker 2>sometimes in the midst of this conversation you think about

0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:44.839
<v Speaker 2>the guy who may be locked away for the rest

0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:48.319
<v Speaker 2>of his days or extended period, three decades, whatever it is,

0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:51.960
<v Speaker 2>in losing their freedoms. But people often forget about there

0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:54.399
<v Speaker 2>was a woman who was brutally murdered. Her family has

0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:56.640
<v Speaker 2>had to navigate this and would like some closure. They

0:40:56.680 --> 0:40:59.040
<v Speaker 2>felt like they had had that closure and then now

0:40:59.080 --> 0:41:01.080
<v Speaker 2>here we are, this type of thing comes out and

0:41:01.160 --> 0:41:04.759
<v Speaker 2>you have current prosecutor who says, you know, things are

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:07.600
<v Speaker 2>not as we thought they were. Previous prosecutor says, oh,

0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:10.319
<v Speaker 2>yes they were. And the defense counsel is going to

0:41:10.360 --> 0:41:13.000
<v Speaker 2>do what they do, which is try to protect and

0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:17.440
<v Speaker 2>provide whatever they can in defense of their client to

0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:19.799
<v Speaker 2>be able to get them back to freedom or at

0:41:19.880 --> 0:41:23.799
<v Speaker 2>least change what they're obligated to be punished for. How

0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:25.840
<v Speaker 2>often in what type of arguments? I mean, this is

0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:30.000
<v Speaker 2>a weird thing prosecutor to prosecutor, right, especially forget about

0:41:30.040 --> 0:41:32.200
<v Speaker 2>the fact go into the Supreme Court. But that carries

0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:35.040
<v Speaker 2>another bit of weight. This is an odd case across

0:41:35.080 --> 0:41:35.759
<v Speaker 2>the board, is it not?

0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:40.200
<v Speaker 6>Absolutely? I mean, we have our new prosecutor, County Pillage.

0:41:40.880 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 6>I believe she's saying, you know, she was talking about

0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:48.360
<v Speaker 6>how the test result was one thing. Mister Dieters the

0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:54.520
<v Speaker 6>original prosecutor, county prosecutor in Henry County for decades, and

0:41:55.640 --> 0:41:58.400
<v Speaker 6>you know he's saying, no, you know, he's seeing it

0:41:58.440 --> 0:42:04.400
<v Speaker 6>differently in this agreeing pretty strongly with Countye Pillage.

0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:06.000
<v Speaker 7>Very unusual.

0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:09.000
<v Speaker 2>As you look at this in the time that you've

0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:11.759
<v Speaker 2>you've studied it, and it gets weird and murky water.

0:42:11.840 --> 0:42:14.719
<v Speaker 2>I suppose from someone in your position to maybe touch

0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:17.400
<v Speaker 2>too deep into this. But from what you've seen and

0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:21.239
<v Speaker 2>from what you've heard, is you assessed this. Where do

0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:26.920
<v Speaker 2>you see their truth to be? Well, it doesn't matter

0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:30.399
<v Speaker 2>defense or prosecution.

0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:32.719
<v Speaker 6>Sure it matters, but you know it's really I mean,

0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:35.840
<v Speaker 6>I haven't this is a new development. I haven't really

0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:38.080
<v Speaker 6>I haven't been able to study it that much. It

0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:41.400
<v Speaker 6>just came out, sure, But you know, I see I

0:42:41.400 --> 0:42:44.920
<v Speaker 6>think what it sort of boils down to is originally

0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:47.439
<v Speaker 6>and I could be wrong in some of these facts.

0:42:47.480 --> 0:42:50.360
<v Speaker 6>I can remember the original case, but you know, I

0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:53.600
<v Speaker 6>think the original part of the original theory was that

0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:59.879
<v Speaker 6>Missus Nathan, the person the woman that was killed supposedly

0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:04.759
<v Speaker 6>the corner, not supposedly the corner back then, not latch me.

0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:10.200
<v Speaker 6>So Marco said that Missus Nathan had hepatitis bright okay,

0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:16.719
<v Speaker 6>which is very contagious. Okay. But then the the back

0:43:16.760 --> 0:43:22.759
<v Speaker 6>then even they said that Elwood Jones did not have it,

0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:26.239
<v Speaker 6>but he supposedly could have been was bitten by her

0:43:26.480 --> 0:43:29.560
<v Speaker 6>and this and that that's the prosecution's case back then,

0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:32.160
<v Speaker 6>that was just part of the case though, so that

0:43:32.440 --> 0:43:36.160
<v Speaker 6>I think there was a significant factor. And now the

0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:40.200
<v Speaker 6>county prosecutor watched me. So Marco is saying, well, I

0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:44.920
<v Speaker 6>reviewed it. I looked at the microscopic evidence that you know,

0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:48.480
<v Speaker 6>the it's left, and I see that there is no

0:43:48.560 --> 0:43:53.359
<v Speaker 6>inflammation in the liver and that indicates no hepatitis. So

0:43:53.440 --> 0:43:59.520
<v Speaker 6>he's saying, missus, Nathan did not have hepatitis then, And

0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:02.080
<v Speaker 6>she said, is that the corner back then made a

0:44:02.160 --> 0:44:05.520
<v Speaker 6>human error and thought that she had it right. So

0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:08.160
<v Speaker 6>I think back then, and this is the part I

0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:10.640
<v Speaker 6>gotta be careful, but I'm not one hundred percent sure,

0:44:10.680 --> 0:44:13.320
<v Speaker 6>but I think back then they said that Nathan Jones

0:44:13.880 --> 0:44:17.640
<v Speaker 6>did not have hepatitis correct, so so and they said,

0:44:18.280 --> 0:44:20.239
<v Speaker 6>so that was maybe I guess that would be part

0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:25.720
<v Speaker 6>of his defense back then. But now they're saying, well

0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:29.240
<v Speaker 6>that that doesn't matter because she didn't have it either.

0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:31.920
<v Speaker 6>So if if she beat him, why would he have

0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:35.759
<v Speaker 6>it right? But there's still other evidence that was brought

0:44:35.840 --> 0:44:40.680
<v Speaker 6>up and it doesn't mean that it's that it's damning there.

0:44:40.920 --> 0:44:42.959
<v Speaker 6>You know, they were claiming that I think some bite

0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:45.480
<v Speaker 6>marks matched. I hope I'm not kidding these cases mixed up.

0:44:45.480 --> 0:44:46.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how many people are bitten on a

0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:48.640
<v Speaker 2>regular basis, but I mean, you have someone who have

0:44:48.640 --> 0:44:51.360
<v Speaker 2>apparently bit someone in the midst of a horrible beating,

0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:53.600
<v Speaker 2>and then you have a guy who allegedly had a

0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:55.759
<v Speaker 2>bite on them right.

0:44:55.920 --> 0:44:58.400
<v Speaker 6>Well, but you know that science has changed over the

0:44:58.480 --> 0:45:02.319
<v Speaker 6>years a lot. Yeah, and so you know, they I

0:45:02.360 --> 0:45:04.560
<v Speaker 6>think back then, if I have the right case, they

0:45:04.560 --> 0:45:06.440
<v Speaker 6>were saying that it matched. But now they're seeing that

0:45:06.480 --> 0:45:09.160
<v Speaker 6>science isn't that good, and I don't know if they

0:45:09.160 --> 0:45:09.680
<v Speaker 6>can still.

0:45:10.080 --> 0:45:11.080
<v Speaker 7>I don't know if they could tell.

0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:13.440
<v Speaker 6>Back then, for sure they thought they could that it

0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:16.520
<v Speaker 6>was even a bite mark. Maybe it's something else. And

0:45:16.560 --> 0:45:18.560
<v Speaker 6>then you know, there's some other evidence.

0:45:18.600 --> 0:45:19.840
<v Speaker 7>Back then they said that.

0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:23.520
<v Speaker 6>You know, a unique item of jewelry was found in

0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:27.799
<v Speaker 6>Elwood Jones trunk and it must have been it was

0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:28.959
<v Speaker 6>from the victim.

0:45:28.719 --> 0:45:31.560
<v Speaker 3>That it was custom made or something cestimde.

0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:34.080
<v Speaker 6>But then there were allegations that it was planted there

0:45:34.480 --> 0:45:37.200
<v Speaker 6>by the police officer. But now the police officer has

0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:39.680
<v Speaker 6>passed away, so then that leaves you in the lurch there.

0:45:39.680 --> 0:45:41.640
<v Speaker 2>They're also been talking if I'm not mistaken Mark Crumb

0:45:41.640 --> 0:45:44.040
<v Speaker 2>by Criminal Defensive attorney was Sterling on the big one

0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:46.640
<v Speaker 2>talking about this Elwo Jones case, and it was horrible

0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:50.640
<v Speaker 2>murder situation and now and it's effective. Is it an

0:45:50.640 --> 0:45:53.080
<v Speaker 2>overturned case. That's the other thing that's kind of weird

0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:54.760
<v Speaker 2>in how this plays out, because they said he couldn't

0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:56.960
<v Speaker 2>be charged or at least retried.

0:45:57.400 --> 0:45:58.600
<v Speaker 3>But and you mentioned the jewelry.

0:45:58.600 --> 0:46:01.200
<v Speaker 2>They said that it apparently was calm found in New York,

0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:03.719
<v Speaker 2>which then says sort of takes away that as being

0:46:03.760 --> 0:46:06.160
<v Speaker 2>religid evidence. But they had a stack of other bits

0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:08.919
<v Speaker 2>and pieces of stuff that put pieces that they said, look,

0:46:09.040 --> 0:46:10.960
<v Speaker 2>here's the guy, he was there, he did this.

0:46:11.160 --> 0:46:13.720
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and I think there was I better be really careful.

0:46:13.719 --> 0:46:14.919
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to put in a bad spot.

0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:16.160
<v Speaker 7>Well, I just want to be careful.

0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:17.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to get in trouble. Either you've got

0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:19.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm in a world or heard. If I get in trouble,

0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:23.920
<v Speaker 2>you've got experienced, license licensed.

0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:27.640
<v Speaker 6>But there's something about some infection, not just hepatitis, but

0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:30.640
<v Speaker 6>some type of infection from the so called bite.

0:46:30.760 --> 0:46:31.120
<v Speaker 7>I don't know.

0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:33.640
<v Speaker 6>I can't remember the details of that, yeah, or the

0:46:33.680 --> 0:46:36.640
<v Speaker 6>accuracy of it. And then there was something about you know,

0:46:36.960 --> 0:46:40.320
<v Speaker 6>supposedly she got hit with a radio like he had,

0:46:40.800 --> 0:46:43.160
<v Speaker 6>and there was a mark from the radio on her body.

0:46:43.440 --> 0:46:45.719
<v Speaker 6>There's a lot of other stuff too, But you know,

0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:49.719
<v Speaker 6>I think part of it, I guess, is that you know,

0:46:49.840 --> 0:46:53.480
<v Speaker 6>that's circumstantial evidence. It could be true, it could be false,

0:46:53.520 --> 0:46:55.920
<v Speaker 6>it could be accurate, it could be inaccurate. You know,

0:46:56.320 --> 0:47:00.000
<v Speaker 6>you've got you know, sit uh forensic people on one side,

0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:03.279
<v Speaker 6>you know, analyzing it. Obviously, the state's going to use

0:47:03.280 --> 0:47:06.360
<v Speaker 6>who they think supports their theory of the case, and

0:47:06.400 --> 0:47:09.600
<v Speaker 6>the defense will try to find somebody that can counter it.

0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:12.400
<v Speaker 6>And and by the way, it just points out there

0:47:13.200 --> 0:47:18.680
<v Speaker 6>it may not be like you may never be able

0:47:18.719 --> 0:47:22.839
<v Speaker 6>to show truthfully or not. Some things are not discernible.

0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:26.439
<v Speaker 6>They're just not, I mean not everything is a scientific thing,

0:47:27.120 --> 0:47:30.279
<v Speaker 6>a perfect scientific thing, So you know, it's not in

0:47:30.480 --> 0:47:33.239
<v Speaker 6>a lot of most cases are really the totality. And

0:47:33.280 --> 0:47:36.200
<v Speaker 6>the prosecutors like to use this phrase. I've been a prosecutor,

0:47:36.280 --> 0:47:38.879
<v Speaker 6>That's what I'm saying. You've done them both scientific sides. Yeah,

0:47:39.000 --> 0:47:41.920
<v Speaker 6>you know, they like to say totality of the circumstances,

0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:44.359
<v Speaker 6>you know, and that's really true, Like if you looked

0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:47.799
<v Speaker 6>at one little part you'd say, well, that doesn't mean it,

0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:49.720
<v Speaker 6>that doesn't mean it. But if you look at everything,

0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:53.080
<v Speaker 6>well maybe that's enough. Maybe that's enough to prove beyond

0:47:53.120 --> 0:47:56.239
<v Speaker 6>a reasonable doubt. That's what you have to have. So

0:47:56.600 --> 0:48:00.240
<v Speaker 6>you know, some people they look at these cases for years,

0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:03.680
<v Speaker 6>for one hundred years. You know, some famous cases, Jack

0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:06.839
<v Speaker 6>the Ripper and all this stuff. Sometimes it's never going

0:48:06.920 --> 0:48:11.640
<v Speaker 6>to be clear, and somebody has to decide. It's got

0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:16.439
<v Speaker 6>to be a jury or a judge typically, and they're

0:48:16.480 --> 0:48:19.800
<v Speaker 6>making a decision. They could be right, they could be wrong.

0:48:20.080 --> 0:48:23.320
<v Speaker 6>That is the nature of human beings. That's our system.

0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:26.960
<v Speaker 6>That's our system. And we always hope, you know, whether

0:48:27.000 --> 0:48:31.360
<v Speaker 6>you're a prosecutor or defense attorney, you always hope the

0:48:31.440 --> 0:48:34.359
<v Speaker 6>real truth will come out. Now that you know, your

0:48:34.440 --> 0:48:37.520
<v Speaker 6>job as a defense attorney is a total advocate, you're

0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:41.400
<v Speaker 6>not worried about you can't worry about what should be because.

0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:41.920
<v Speaker 7>You don't really know.

0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:45.360
<v Speaker 6>People think as a defense attorney, this might be interesting

0:48:45.400 --> 0:48:48.200
<v Speaker 6>for some people. They think that as a defense attorney,

0:48:48.280 --> 0:48:50.040
<v Speaker 6>you know for sure what happened.

0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:51.959
<v Speaker 2>Right, do you want to know before you finish your thought?

0:48:52.120 --> 0:48:53.879
<v Speaker 2>Like it's say, for instance, God forbid, let I don't

0:48:53.880 --> 0:48:55.480
<v Speaker 2>even want to put anybody's name in it. If you

0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:58.000
<v Speaker 2>have someone standing over here who's been charged with a

0:48:58.000 --> 0:49:00.680
<v Speaker 2>horrific crime and they're like you, like, do you want

0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:02.160
<v Speaker 2>to know if they really did it when they call

0:49:02.239 --> 0:49:04.200
<v Speaker 2>you to defend them? Or do you do you not

0:49:04.320 --> 0:49:06.200
<v Speaker 2>want to know and just try to defend them with

0:49:06.239 --> 0:49:06.920
<v Speaker 2>whatever you can.

0:49:07.480 --> 0:49:09.759
<v Speaker 7>Well, you need what you need to do as a

0:49:09.800 --> 0:49:10.480
<v Speaker 7>defense attorney.

0:49:10.520 --> 0:49:13.759
<v Speaker 6>I found this earlier early on, is you need to

0:49:13.800 --> 0:49:17.200
<v Speaker 6>look at the case and say, don't waste your time

0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:20.000
<v Speaker 6>trying to form an opinion, because you might be right

0:49:20.120 --> 0:49:22.600
<v Speaker 6>or you might be wrong. It doesn't matter believe it

0:49:22.680 --> 0:49:25.080
<v Speaker 6>or not. For your job, you have to try the

0:49:25.120 --> 0:49:28.200
<v Speaker 6>best you can, and deep inside, as a human being,

0:49:28.239 --> 0:49:30.680
<v Speaker 6>you're hoping that that the truth comes out.

0:49:30.760 --> 0:49:32.759
<v Speaker 7>You really are, but you're not.

0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:35.080
<v Speaker 6>But if you make like, for instance, early on in

0:49:35.080 --> 0:49:37.600
<v Speaker 6>the case, I thought I had a guy as really

0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:40.839
<v Speaker 6>Early on, I thought, man, this sounds so bad. This

0:49:40.880 --> 0:49:43.640
<v Speaker 6>guy probably did it, which is a dangerous thought as

0:49:43.640 --> 0:49:46.200
<v Speaker 6>a criminal defense attorney. But sometimes you're like you listen

0:49:46.239 --> 0:49:48.520
<v Speaker 6>and you're like, oh my gosh. But then by the

0:49:48.600 --> 0:49:53.040
<v Speaker 6>time I tried the case, I was like, oh my gosh,

0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:56.440
<v Speaker 6>this guy, I mean, is innocent for sure.

0:49:56.680 --> 0:49:59.200
<v Speaker 2>Have you ever been fooled? Do you think or somebody

0:49:59.200 --> 0:50:01.520
<v Speaker 2>you found you got to off? For one of a

0:50:01.520 --> 0:50:03.360
<v Speaker 2>better way to describe it. They're found not guilty, then

0:50:03.400 --> 0:50:05.320
<v Speaker 2>subsequently they look at you with a little smirk and

0:50:05.360 --> 0:50:07.400
<v Speaker 2>a wink, and you're like, oh, hell no, no.

0:50:08.040 --> 0:50:10.800
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I'm not saying I couldn't have, but usually

0:50:10.920 --> 0:50:13.400
<v Speaker 6>I'm pretty comfortable with what happens.

0:50:13.800 --> 0:50:17.040
<v Speaker 7>Sure that helps, you know I am. I mean, I

0:50:17.040 --> 0:50:17.759
<v Speaker 7>would you know?

0:50:18.640 --> 0:50:21.200
<v Speaker 6>And like I said early on, that the one case

0:50:21.239 --> 0:50:23.560
<v Speaker 6>I can think of that really changed my whole career

0:50:23.600 --> 0:50:26.000
<v Speaker 6>about how I felt about things, what I wanted to

0:50:26.040 --> 0:50:29.000
<v Speaker 6>do for the rest of my life. I had a

0:50:29.040 --> 0:50:31.880
<v Speaker 6>guy that sounded so guilty, and everybody kept telling me

0:50:31.920 --> 0:50:33.960
<v Speaker 6>and it seemed like he was. And I shouldn't have

0:50:34.120 --> 0:50:37.200
<v Speaker 6>bothered forming an opinion because by the end of it,

0:50:37.239 --> 0:50:39.879
<v Speaker 6>when I saw that the verdict came back and even

0:50:39.920 --> 0:50:42.240
<v Speaker 6>the policeman came up and shook my hand and said,

0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:45.719
<v Speaker 6>you were right. He goes, you were right, but that

0:50:45.840 --> 0:50:48.200
<v Speaker 6>guy didn't do it. He told me who he thought

0:50:48.200 --> 0:50:50.520
<v Speaker 6>did it, and I was like amazed because I didn't

0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:52.960
<v Speaker 6>even figure it out. But I didn't have to figure

0:50:52.960 --> 0:50:55.040
<v Speaker 6>it out. That wasn't your job, and it shouldn't be

0:50:55.080 --> 0:50:55.520
<v Speaker 6>my job.

0:50:55.600 --> 0:50:58.360
<v Speaker 2>Now here, that goes to something else more crumbined criminal

0:50:58.520 --> 0:51:00.560
<v Speaker 2>defense attorney was Stirling on the big one. So the

0:51:00.560 --> 0:51:02.640
<v Speaker 2>other side of it, because you were a prosecutor and

0:51:02.719 --> 0:51:05.160
<v Speaker 2>we see it, and I know TV is not always real,

0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:08.879
<v Speaker 2>you know, even the procedurals like first forty eight, which

0:51:08.920 --> 0:51:10.879
<v Speaker 2>they have shot a lot of those early on here

0:51:10.880 --> 0:51:13.200
<v Speaker 2>in Cincinnati, and it's fun to watch. And none of

0:51:13.239 --> 0:51:15.239
<v Speaker 2>them ever say I want my lawyer, which is bewildering.

0:51:15.480 --> 0:51:17.760
<v Speaker 2>But the first thing if a cop gets in trouble

0:51:17.840 --> 0:51:20.440
<v Speaker 2>is they want they want their their defense counsel that

0:51:20.480 --> 0:51:22.719
<v Speaker 2>comes hopefully from their union. So if they're not going

0:51:22.800 --> 0:51:25.080
<v Speaker 2>to answer questions and they want counsel, by god, if

0:51:25.120 --> 0:51:27.520
<v Speaker 2>you get in trouble, you better find somebody to protect you.

0:51:27.600 --> 0:51:30.360
<v Speaker 6>Yes, And they even have special rules because they the

0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:33.200
<v Speaker 6>rules are for their union. They have to get two

0:51:33.280 --> 0:51:35.920
<v Speaker 6>days before their question something like that. They have special

0:51:35.960 --> 0:51:38.160
<v Speaker 6>rules through their union for the police.

0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:40.240
<v Speaker 2>We should all have that. Yeah, now here's the other side.

0:51:40.320 --> 0:51:43.160
<v Speaker 2>I agree because I've had I know people in law enforcement.

0:51:43.200 --> 0:51:45.600
<v Speaker 2>I've known people have been prosecutors actively and otherwise. And

0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:47.800
<v Speaker 2>now you here Mark Crumbine. So, and we only have

0:51:47.800 --> 0:51:49.840
<v Speaker 2>about two and a half minutes, so this is difficult.

0:51:50.239 --> 0:51:55.719
<v Speaker 2>But I in a prosecutory investigation situation as well as

0:51:55.760 --> 0:51:58.400
<v Speaker 2>with law enforcement, you may think somebody is guilty, but

0:51:58.400 --> 0:52:00.200
<v Speaker 2>you don't. You want to go after the evidence. It's

0:52:00.239 --> 0:52:02.560
<v Speaker 2>first to find who you're pointing at, rather than pointing

0:52:02.560 --> 0:52:04.919
<v Speaker 2>the finger and then finding the evidence. Because I've heard

0:52:04.960 --> 0:52:07.880
<v Speaker 2>conversation on both sides of that from people in that business.

0:52:08.080 --> 0:52:11.600
<v Speaker 6>Yes, well, as a prosecutor, there's no doubt. By the

0:52:11.680 --> 0:52:14.040
<v Speaker 6>rules of ethics. As an attorney and everything, you have

0:52:14.080 --> 0:52:16.879
<v Speaker 6>a duty to be fair. So you have to look

0:52:16.920 --> 0:52:19.880
<v Speaker 6>at it. And if you think the person's not guilty

0:52:20.680 --> 0:52:23.640
<v Speaker 6>or you're you can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that they're guilty,

0:52:23.880 --> 0:52:26.520
<v Speaker 6>you have to say, hey, I'm not going to prosecute

0:52:26.520 --> 0:52:29.000
<v Speaker 6>that person. That's just a general way rule of it.

0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:32.759
<v Speaker 6>That's your decision. As a defense attorney, you're not like,

0:52:32.960 --> 0:52:36.000
<v Speaker 6>you're not supposed to judge guilt or not guilt, guilty

0:52:36.080 --> 0:52:37.959
<v Speaker 6>or not guilty. You just have to do the best

0:52:38.000 --> 0:52:40.600
<v Speaker 6>you can. If your client tells you I didn't do it,

0:52:41.120 --> 0:52:43.239
<v Speaker 6>that's what you need to know. And if you're not,

0:52:43.480 --> 0:52:45.200
<v Speaker 6>if you don't go all the way and try as

0:52:45.200 --> 0:52:47.720
<v Speaker 6>hard as you can. You will be failing that person

0:52:48.080 --> 0:52:50.800
<v Speaker 6>and you will be failing the system. So it's different

0:52:50.840 --> 0:52:53.319
<v Speaker 6>when you're a defense attorney than a prosecutor.

0:52:53.800 --> 0:52:57.239
<v Speaker 2>Mark Crumbining criminal defense counsel Stirling seven hundred double lub.

0:52:57.320 --> 0:52:59.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, let's take this back to this horrible case

0:53:00.280 --> 0:53:04.040
<v Speaker 2>about Rhoda Nathan and know with Jones so outside looking in,

0:53:04.680 --> 0:53:06.799
<v Speaker 2>this guy, as I understand, it cannot be tried for

0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:07.200
<v Speaker 2>this again.

0:53:07.280 --> 0:53:07.840
<v Speaker 3>Is that correct?

0:53:08.000 --> 0:53:10.200
<v Speaker 7>Yes, with prejudice, that's what that means.

0:53:10.320 --> 0:53:13.040
<v Speaker 2>So with prejudice, he can't be tried again. Now there's

0:53:13.040 --> 0:53:15.959
<v Speaker 2>a question to say what initially had gotten that thrown

0:53:16.040 --> 0:53:19.480
<v Speaker 2>in that direction was something that apparently may not be accurate.

0:53:20.320 --> 0:53:23.279
<v Speaker 2>So then that does that mean that that case, that order,

0:53:23.400 --> 0:53:28.160
<v Speaker 2>that decision should be nullified and not valid because or

0:53:28.360 --> 0:53:30.719
<v Speaker 2>or is it because I mean, you either have hepatitis

0:53:30.840 --> 0:53:33.960
<v Speaker 2>or you don't have hepatitis in the genetic matter that

0:53:34.080 --> 0:53:36.000
<v Speaker 2>was tested, or am I out of the water?

0:53:36.160 --> 0:53:39.000
<v Speaker 6>Well, I think and this is difficult for me. I

0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:41.680
<v Speaker 6>don't know all the facts right, but you know, the

0:53:42.040 --> 0:53:44.560
<v Speaker 6>hepatitis thing at the beginning was more in favor of

0:53:44.560 --> 0:53:47.120
<v Speaker 6>the defendant correct. So the fact that it got thrown

0:53:47.120 --> 0:53:50.000
<v Speaker 6>out anyway, even though there was appetitis thing against him

0:53:50.400 --> 0:53:54.640
<v Speaker 6>would still be I think in favor of the defendantor Sterling,

0:53:54.680 --> 0:53:56.480
<v Speaker 6>you're more logical than I.

0:53:56.480 --> 0:53:58.480
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't go so far as to say that, but

0:53:59.560 --> 0:54:01.680
<v Speaker 2>it's just a horrible that you want justice for the

0:54:01.719 --> 0:54:04.200
<v Speaker 2>family and for the woman who lost her life, Miss Nathan,

0:54:04.280 --> 0:54:08.400
<v Speaker 2>of course, and you want you know, justice and penalty

0:54:08.640 --> 0:54:11.160
<v Speaker 2>and punishment whatever you want to call it for the guilty,

0:54:11.239 --> 0:54:13.600
<v Speaker 2>whether it's Elwood Jones or somebody else who maybe has

0:54:13.640 --> 0:54:15.759
<v Speaker 2>been free all this time, and he was just in

0:54:15.800 --> 0:54:18.520
<v Speaker 2>the bad you know, bad situation, wrong place, wrong time,

0:54:18.600 --> 0:54:21.640
<v Speaker 2>bad history, and oddly some injuries that fit sort of

0:54:21.680 --> 0:54:24.440
<v Speaker 2>in line with the way they put together this prosecution.

0:54:25.160 --> 0:54:28.600
<v Speaker 2>It's tough final thoughts on how about anything in this

0:54:28.760 --> 0:54:30.319
<v Speaker 2>or otherwise before I let you go.

0:54:30.480 --> 0:54:33.040
<v Speaker 6>Well, it's really interesting and I think it shows something

0:54:33.080 --> 0:54:39.120
<v Speaker 6>that that constantly happens, no matter how sophisticated in scientific things.

0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:39.720
<v Speaker 7>In DNA.

0:54:39.960 --> 0:54:43.080
<v Speaker 6>I had the first DNA murder test murder case in

0:54:43.200 --> 0:54:45.960
<v Speaker 6>Cincinnati's history, by the way I tried it. Wow, And

0:54:46.040 --> 0:54:49.640
<v Speaker 6>there was something that was that I pointed out without

0:54:49.760 --> 0:54:54.040
<v Speaker 6>any scientific knowledge that came true within ten years.

0:54:54.400 --> 0:54:55.640
<v Speaker 7>Well yeah, and.

0:54:55.600 --> 0:54:57.120
<v Speaker 3>That makes you feel good that you didn't. There wasn't

0:54:57.120 --> 0:54:58.640
<v Speaker 3>an up truck, right, And I argued it.

0:54:58.600 --> 0:55:02.160
<v Speaker 6>But I lost anyway. But then my client's case was

0:55:02.160 --> 0:55:06.120
<v Speaker 6>commuted by the governor later. Okay, but I figured it out.

0:55:06.200 --> 0:55:09.000
<v Speaker 6>It's just a simple logical thing. You know, the testing

0:55:09.040 --> 0:55:12.319
<v Speaker 6>would change, it will change, It will change ten years

0:55:12.360 --> 0:55:14.960
<v Speaker 6>from now. Now, who would have predicted that, you know,

0:55:15.040 --> 0:55:18.680
<v Speaker 6>the test results would be different for the hepatitis. I

0:55:18.680 --> 0:55:22.359
<v Speaker 6>don't think anybody could have necessarily predicted that. But you know,

0:55:22.480 --> 0:55:25.600
<v Speaker 6>I noticed one basic that drives me crazy, just as

0:55:25.880 --> 0:55:29.280
<v Speaker 6>a logical semiological person, is they didn't have the names

0:55:29.320 --> 0:55:34.600
<v Speaker 6>on the hepatitis, like the decisions like in nineteen ninety four.

0:55:34.800 --> 0:55:37.120
<v Speaker 6>They didn't put so and so hepatitis so and so.

0:55:37.280 --> 0:55:40.400
<v Speaker 6>They didn't even have that. They were using numbers. I'm like, ah,

0:55:42.360 --> 0:55:45.000
<v Speaker 6>might not put the name. Okay, That's something I noticed

0:55:45.040 --> 0:55:46.560
<v Speaker 6>that just as a logical thing.

0:55:47.000 --> 0:55:48.359
<v Speaker 3>I We'll have to have you back because I could.

0:55:48.400 --> 0:55:48.640
<v Speaker 4>I could.

0:55:48.680 --> 0:55:50.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I have so many questions about this, and

0:55:50.280 --> 0:55:52.359
<v Speaker 2>I think most people, and I know mister Waddell's like due,

0:55:52.400 --> 0:55:55.200
<v Speaker 2>hurry up, and I'm sorry relate. Let me just say

0:55:55.440 --> 0:55:58.040
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate what you do, Mark Crumbink, criminal defense counsel.

0:55:58.040 --> 0:55:59.920
<v Speaker 2>I know you got a potential client you gotta meet

0:56:00.040 --> 0:56:01.680
<v Speaker 2>after this, and we thank you for making time.

0:56:01.920 --> 0:56:02.279
<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

0:56:02.640 --> 0:56:04.080
<v Speaker 3>And it's just a horrible case.

0:56:04.160 --> 0:56:05.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you want the innocent to be free, the

0:56:05.960 --> 0:56:09.680
<v Speaker 2>guilty to be punished and locked away in validation, in

0:56:09.760 --> 0:56:12.440
<v Speaker 2>some type of retribution, if nothing, closure for a family

0:56:12.520 --> 0:56:14.800
<v Speaker 2>of a victim of something like this. This is ugly

0:56:14.960 --> 0:56:16.200
<v Speaker 2>all the way around.

0:56:17.040 --> 0:56:22.000
<v Speaker 6>It's a very upsetting scenario. And there's no two ways

0:56:22.000 --> 0:56:22.440
<v Speaker 6>about that.

0:56:22.560 --> 0:56:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Thank you for talking. Thank you giving us your insight.

0:56:24.760 --> 0:56:28.440
<v Speaker 2>That's Mark Crumbeine Sterling coming back, seven hundred WLW. I

0:56:28.440 --> 0:56:30.920
<v Speaker 2>do love Session the Street as a kid man growing up,

0:56:30.920 --> 0:56:34.640
<v Speaker 2>that was tremendous. I liked mister Rogers too, but I

0:56:34.640 --> 0:56:35.719
<v Speaker 2>got to a certain point.

0:56:35.719 --> 0:56:36.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what it was.

0:56:37.480 --> 0:56:39.840
<v Speaker 2>I grew up beyond the mister Rodgers and he creeped

0:56:39.840 --> 0:56:42.160
<v Speaker 2>me out a little bit. And then years later, with

0:56:42.200 --> 0:56:45.359
<v Speaker 2>the niece's nephew, pseudo nieces nephews and so forth, they

0:56:45.400 --> 0:56:48.680
<v Speaker 2>were into mister Rogers reruns. And then I started watching

0:56:48.719 --> 0:56:50.759
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh, I remember, and it made

0:56:50.800 --> 0:56:52.640
<v Speaker 2>me feel good. He was like a good dude and

0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:56.120
<v Speaker 2>even talking with the little train and the little people

0:56:56.280 --> 0:56:58.680
<v Speaker 2>in the make believe world. But what really creeped me out?

0:56:58.960 --> 0:57:00.799
<v Speaker 2>And I don't mean any just respect. And I love

0:57:00.920 --> 0:57:03.400
<v Speaker 2>CET and I love PBS. So hear me out at

0:57:03.440 --> 0:57:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Sterling by the way, hanging out on a Monday for

0:57:05.400 --> 0:57:08.120
<v Speaker 2>Gary Jeff who was in on earlier holiday season. We're

0:57:08.120 --> 0:57:10.479
<v Speaker 2>all mixed up. It's hard to even know what day

0:57:10.480 --> 0:57:13.960
<v Speaker 2>it is, to be honest with you, Uh, but is

0:57:14.000 --> 0:57:16.680
<v Speaker 2>we're here and we're enjoying ourselves and trying to have

0:57:16.760 --> 0:57:19.920
<v Speaker 2>a good time, uh with the holidays and everything. It's

0:57:19.960 --> 0:57:23.320
<v Speaker 2>it's just nice. Hopefully you're doing okay. Five point three

0:57:23.400 --> 0:57:25.600
<v Speaker 2>seven four nine seven eight hundred the big one. We

0:57:25.720 --> 0:57:27.280
<v Speaker 2>go open up the phones, give you a chance to

0:57:27.280 --> 0:57:31.160
<v Speaker 2>get interactive, uh and see how the season is going

0:57:31.640 --> 0:57:33.080
<v Speaker 2>and everything along with that.

0:57:34.680 --> 0:57:36.480
<v Speaker 3>It's uh, it's good times.

0:57:36.800 --> 0:57:39.160
<v Speaker 2>And I lost my train of thought thinking about mister

0:57:39.280 --> 0:57:43.160
<v Speaker 2>Rogers and uh, you know, the back in the fold

0:57:43.200 --> 0:57:45.680
<v Speaker 2>and embracing it and everything else. But I mean, it's

0:57:45.760 --> 0:57:48.160
<v Speaker 2>just it's just good. I used to like the Electric

0:57:48.200 --> 0:57:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Company with Morgan Freeman before he was the president and

0:57:53.720 --> 0:57:56.200
<v Speaker 2>the voiceover for just about everything that was going on.

0:57:56.280 --> 0:57:59.200
<v Speaker 2>I think he even voiced and played God at some point.

0:57:59.360 --> 0:58:02.400
<v Speaker 2>I remember while watching him on the Electric Company too,

0:58:02.440 --> 0:58:06.760
<v Speaker 2>which was always tremendous, and so forth five one, three, seven, nine,

0:58:07.480 --> 0:58:09.880
<v Speaker 2>eight hundred the Big One James were Peene conversation with

0:58:09.960 --> 0:58:14.200
<v Speaker 2>him talking Bengals, dolphins and the future of the hoode

0:58:14.320 --> 0:58:17.720
<v Speaker 2>coming up after eleven o'clock. Uh so, yeah, there is

0:58:17.760 --> 0:58:21.680
<v Speaker 2>that happening as well. So uh, since I derailed my

0:58:21.720 --> 0:58:24.880
<v Speaker 2>own thought, which is difficult, I blame that on blundhead trauma.

0:58:25.200 --> 0:58:28.240
<v Speaker 2>I want to bring something else up. And I've seen this.

0:58:28.680 --> 0:58:34.080
<v Speaker 2>It happened once on the way in tonight and once

0:58:34.120 --> 0:58:38.160
<v Speaker 2>over the weekend coming home, and then in the neighborhood

0:58:38.400 --> 0:58:40.840
<v Speaker 2>walking the dog. A buddy of mine I noticed had

0:58:40.880 --> 0:58:45.480
<v Speaker 2>done the same thing. And everybody's doing decorations for the

0:58:45.560 --> 0:58:49.640
<v Speaker 2>season in different ways. A buddy of mine, his dog

0:58:49.720 --> 0:58:53.760
<v Speaker 2>attacked his big inflatable like Frosty the Snowman. So then

0:58:53.800 --> 0:58:56.720
<v Speaker 2>he changed it and it got what looks now like

0:58:56.760 --> 0:58:59.400
<v Speaker 2>a big snow globe, and the dog is no longer

0:58:59.480 --> 0:59:01.840
<v Speaker 2>allowed all the lead out front. I don't know if

0:59:01.840 --> 0:59:05.040
<v Speaker 2>it was the blower in the frosty waving in the wind,

0:59:05.720 --> 0:59:09.080
<v Speaker 2>but he was unnerved and attacked, I think, probably to

0:59:09.440 --> 0:59:13.880
<v Speaker 2>protect his people, but it was not good for the snowman.

0:59:14.000 --> 0:59:17.320
<v Speaker 2>It did not end well, ripped apart just a little bit.

0:59:17.440 --> 0:59:20.920
<v Speaker 2>So it's just tough times. But what I don't understand,

0:59:21.920 --> 0:59:26.040
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know if it's legal, but it's interesting.

0:59:26.360 --> 0:59:28.760
<v Speaker 2>It is all these cars I have seen, and I

0:59:28.760 --> 0:59:31.920
<v Speaker 2>don't know if they're selling a blanket wrap for vehicles

0:59:32.000 --> 0:59:36.320
<v Speaker 2>with led Christmas lights right now. But driving down seventy

0:59:36.360 --> 0:59:40.360
<v Speaker 2>one to get off here at Montgomery Road to do

0:59:40.440 --> 0:59:43.240
<v Speaker 2>this show tonight, there was somebody in a white I

0:59:43.240 --> 0:59:46.320
<v Speaker 2>couldn't tell. It was a low rider type of car

0:59:46.440 --> 0:59:49.240
<v Speaker 2>as sort of a sports car. Thankfully, no bad weather.

0:59:49.320 --> 0:59:51.439
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's nice and above freezing, and that's great.

0:59:51.840 --> 0:59:55.040
<v Speaker 2>But I literally I thought, what is behind me? Is

0:59:55.080 --> 0:59:57.400
<v Speaker 2>the motor passed? I'm not saying it was speeding or not.

0:59:57.480 --> 0:59:59.200
<v Speaker 2>I can can neither confirm nor tonine. I don't want

0:59:59.240 --> 1:00:02.080
<v Speaker 2>to get anybody in trouble, but I thought it was

1:00:02.120 --> 1:00:05.840
<v Speaker 2>like Santa or something, and then I realized, no, it's

1:00:05.960 --> 1:00:10.240
<v Speaker 2>just a car loaded with lights and it was I

1:00:10.280 --> 1:00:12.560
<v Speaker 2>felt festive, I felt good all of a sudden, I

1:00:12.560 --> 1:00:15.480
<v Speaker 2>felt warm and fuzzy inside. But then I was also like, man,

1:00:15.520 --> 1:00:18.160
<v Speaker 2>how much time does that take? You see these vehicles

1:00:18.200 --> 1:00:20.640
<v Speaker 2>in occasion. I used to see it a lot in

1:00:20.680 --> 1:00:23.520
<v Speaker 2>and around Coryville in East want At Hills when I

1:00:23.560 --> 1:00:26.520
<v Speaker 2>was living there. In and around Eton Park, there were

1:00:26.560 --> 1:00:29.280
<v Speaker 2>a couple people that would put all these little weird

1:00:29.360 --> 1:00:32.760
<v Speaker 2>knick knacks, like I assume they super glued them. I

1:00:32.760 --> 1:00:36.480
<v Speaker 2>can't imagine they've belcrowed them to the hood of the

1:00:36.520 --> 1:00:38.720
<v Speaker 2>car or the roof of the car, in the trunk

1:00:38.760 --> 1:00:41.040
<v Speaker 2>of the vehicle, and they would travel around that way.

1:00:41.080 --> 1:00:44.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, that's like an iceore. That's troubling. I kind

1:00:44.320 --> 1:00:48.640
<v Speaker 2>of liked the led Christmas light thing, however, unlike the

1:00:48.680 --> 1:00:52.360
<v Speaker 2>house where I don't have a problem with anybody keeping

1:00:52.400 --> 1:00:54.520
<v Speaker 2>their lights on for as long as it is that

1:00:54.560 --> 1:00:57.280
<v Speaker 2>it makes them happy to celebrate the holiday. I mean,

1:00:57.480 --> 1:01:00.360
<v Speaker 2>they can be on now until New Year's. Maybe you

1:01:00.400 --> 1:01:03.560
<v Speaker 2>switch to like a Valentine's colors, and then maybe you

1:01:03.640 --> 1:01:07.120
<v Speaker 2>switch to Saint Patrick's Day colors, and maybe then you

1:01:07.200 --> 1:01:09.960
<v Speaker 2>switch to well, well, I don't know, Opening Day Reds colors,

1:01:10.440 --> 1:01:12.919
<v Speaker 2>and then in the summertime for Fourth of July, maybe

1:01:12.960 --> 1:01:14.640
<v Speaker 2>you have lights that are red, white, and blue for

1:01:14.760 --> 1:01:18.240
<v Speaker 2>well these United States of America and are twenty fifth

1:01:18.480 --> 1:01:21.600
<v Speaker 2>or two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, I should say, which

1:01:21.640 --> 1:01:23.560
<v Speaker 2>is coming up in twenty twenty six.

1:01:24.080 --> 1:01:28.200
<v Speaker 3>I see all those things, but on the road with those.

1:01:28.000 --> 1:01:31.200
<v Speaker 2>Lights all the time, that it's almost a little too much,

1:01:31.240 --> 1:01:34.400
<v Speaker 2>a little overwhelming. But it kind of made me feel good,

1:01:34.480 --> 1:01:36.360
<v Speaker 2>just the same if I won three, seven, four, nine, seven,

1:01:36.760 --> 1:01:39.800
<v Speaker 2>eight hundred, the big one. And speaking of holiday lights,

1:01:40.640 --> 1:01:42.680
<v Speaker 2>because I know some people don't like it when their

1:01:42.760 --> 1:01:46.160
<v Speaker 2>neighbors keep the lights on all the time, there's a story,

1:01:46.360 --> 1:01:49.320
<v Speaker 2>and I want to say it is in California where

1:01:49.320 --> 1:01:53.600
<v Speaker 2>some people have now gone to court and they're suing

1:01:54.160 --> 1:01:57.480
<v Speaker 2>a neighbor because they had had lights on for Christmas.

1:01:57.880 --> 1:02:00.560
<v Speaker 2>They apparently had kept festive lights on for much of

1:02:00.600 --> 1:02:03.680
<v Speaker 2>the year, and not quite necessarily to the same extent

1:02:04.200 --> 1:02:07.440
<v Speaker 2>that I just laid out in color configurations for different

1:02:07.440 --> 1:02:10.920
<v Speaker 2>holidays throughout the seasons of the year. But their neighbors

1:02:10.960 --> 1:02:14.320
<v Speaker 2>say they're too bright. The neighbors say that they're overwhelming,

1:02:14.880 --> 1:02:18.840
<v Speaker 2>that it's psychological warfare, and effectively, now that they're going

1:02:18.880 --> 1:02:20.760
<v Speaker 2>back and forth on it, and I saw an interview

1:02:20.760 --> 1:02:23.760
<v Speaker 2>earlier this afternoon with this couple, and this woman is

1:02:23.840 --> 1:02:27.920
<v Speaker 2>literally in tears upset because she doesn't understand why anybody

1:02:27.920 --> 1:02:30.560
<v Speaker 2>would have a problem with the Christmas lights or any

1:02:30.600 --> 1:02:34.560
<v Speaker 2>of the other lights just in general. And I suppose

1:02:34.640 --> 1:02:37.920
<v Speaker 2>there is a very subtle line between becoming a nuisance

1:02:38.400 --> 1:02:41.680
<v Speaker 2>and an eyesore and some type of problem, because they

1:02:41.720 --> 1:02:45.400
<v Speaker 2>would even do it, apparently for Halloween with lights and

1:02:45.440 --> 1:02:48.240
<v Speaker 2>big stuff. And I've seen the big skeletons that are

1:02:48.280 --> 1:02:50.840
<v Speaker 2>like ten feet tall, maybe eight foot tall at least.

1:02:50.840 --> 1:02:53.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean I'm six foot plus, and I've seen some

1:02:53.720 --> 1:02:55.560
<v Speaker 2>that are taller than that. And they have dressed the

1:02:55.600 --> 1:02:59.600
<v Speaker 2>skeletons in like Santa outfits, which I find to be

1:02:59.600 --> 1:03:03.160
<v Speaker 2>a black But I don't know where that line is overall,

1:03:03.560 --> 1:03:07.000
<v Speaker 2>as long as it's not becoming a sound annoyance, as

1:03:07.000 --> 1:03:09.360
<v Speaker 2>long as it's not it lit up like the sun

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<v Speaker 2>to where it's you know, bleeding through your you know,

1:03:12.120 --> 1:03:18.400
<v Speaker 2>blackout curtains or otherwise, I say, embrace the season, Christmas, Hanka, Kwanza,

1:03:18.480 --> 1:03:21.919
<v Speaker 2>whatever it is, Bring on Valentine's Day, Saint Patrick's Day,

1:03:21.960 --> 1:03:24.360
<v Speaker 2>fourth of July. There's probably some others I can't think of.

1:03:24.440 --> 1:03:29.200
<v Speaker 2>In between, but either way, it's it's good times. I'm

1:03:29.240 --> 1:03:32.160
<v Speaker 2>looking at Monday Night football in the Red Panda doing

1:03:32.160 --> 1:03:35.880
<v Speaker 2>this halftime show, which is pretty wild. It looks like

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<v Speaker 2>on a unicycle, which unless you've gone to clown school,

1:03:39.600 --> 1:03:41.400
<v Speaker 2>there's not a lot of people who were able to

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<v Speaker 2>get around on a unicycle, let alone throw like flatware

1:03:45.120 --> 1:03:47.640
<v Speaker 2>and dishes and so forth. But she was doing it,

1:03:48.120 --> 1:03:51.720
<v Speaker 2>and she's of course in Indianapolis where the forty nine

1:03:51.800 --> 1:03:54.920
<v Speaker 2>ers are leading the Colts thirty four to twenty seven

1:03:55.520 --> 1:03:57.800
<v Speaker 2>in the fourth quarter now as the forty nine er,

1:03:57.840 --> 1:03:59.960
<v Speaker 2>so just taking a kickoff. I'm not doing play by play.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just giving you an update if you're driving around

1:04:02.040 --> 1:04:03.760
<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out what's going on with the Monday

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<v Speaker 2>Night football. James Repene going to join me after the

1:04:07.000 --> 1:04:10.120
<v Speaker 2>eleven o'clock report. We'll talk on Bengals, how their Sunday went,

1:04:10.560 --> 1:04:12.400
<v Speaker 2>how these next couple of weeks will go for them,

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<v Speaker 2>and what it means for twenty twenty six for your

1:04:14.880 --> 1:04:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Cincinnati Football Bengals. That's coming up after the eleven o'clock report.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not done yet. There's more to do here on

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<v Speaker 2>seven hundred WLW. Glad you're alone, Sterling hanging out. Gary

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff was on earlier.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm here now. Holidays.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody's different places, different times on the road, they say,

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<v Speaker 2>record numbers of people trying to get where they have

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<v Speaker 2>to go over the hills and far away to Grandma's

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<v Speaker 2>house or wherever else for Christmas or Hanka Klans or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you're into, maybe just a vacation. I have friends

1:04:43.160 --> 1:04:47.360
<v Speaker 2>sending me text with pictures of iguanas climbing trees and

1:04:47.720 --> 1:04:53.320
<v Speaker 2>Marco Island, Florida. James Rapine headed home from Miami after

1:04:53.400 --> 1:04:56.160
<v Speaker 2>checking out the Bengals and the dolphins getting it on

1:04:56.320 --> 1:04:59.360
<v Speaker 2>down there, and the Bengals get a big dominating abuse

1:04:59.400 --> 1:05:01.880
<v Speaker 2>of wind for those fish, which, by the way, it's

1:05:02.400 --> 1:05:05.640
<v Speaker 2>like a mammal, right, it's not really a fish, but

1:05:05.680 --> 1:05:09.240
<v Speaker 2>they do swim in the sea, and I like a dolphin,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. It was really warm there yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was glad to see the who Day wins

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<v Speaker 2>well to pick on James Rapine in his brain about

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<v Speaker 2>what's coming on after the eleven o'clock report conversation with

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<v Speaker 2>him I had, and then some other stuff. So wherever

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<v Speaker 2>you're going, in whatever you're doing, I hope it's good,

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<v Speaker 2>I know it could make it a whole lot better.

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<v Speaker 2>About three minutes and fifty seconds away from right about

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<v Speaker 2>now for the next drawing of the power Ball. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're keeping score at home, it is one billion, six

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<v Speaker 2>hundred million dollars in the fool On jackpot, which is

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<v Speaker 2>paid out as an annuity over like twenty or thirty

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<v Speaker 2>years or whatever it is, or you could get the

1:05:47.040 --> 1:05:51.520
<v Speaker 2>cash out value and then taxes after taken out. That

1:05:51.680 --> 1:05:56.880
<v Speaker 2>amount is a staggering to me, seven hundred thirty five million,

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred thousand dollars. And that's still just an estimate

1:06:00.520 --> 1:06:05.280
<v Speaker 2>because there's still money. It's being worked out fast carry

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<v Speaker 2>outs and drive throughs and wherever else you get tickets

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<v Speaker 2>right now they're just printing them like there's nobody's business,

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<v Speaker 2>so that number is possibly going to go up at

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<v Speaker 2>this point. I have never won really anything, and I

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<v Speaker 2>did not get to the tickets for this one, So

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<v Speaker 2>in all honesty, I don't mean this disrespectfully. I would

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<v Speaker 2>like for you to do well in your life. I

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<v Speaker 2>would love for you to be able to win. Joe Waddell,

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you and everything you do. I'm not trying

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<v Speaker 2>to weasel out any money if you actually cash in

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<v Speaker 2>and the big money. But all I'm saying is I

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<v Speaker 2>would like to be able to get into the next drawing.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you don't win, now, that's fine with me.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, even the regular measily just start over,

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<v Speaker 2>begin again. Number is enough for most normal, reasonable, rational

1:06:49.640 --> 1:06:53.360
<v Speaker 2>human beings effectively lived the rest of their lives without

1:06:53.400 --> 1:06:56.320
<v Speaker 2>much of a worry. And time and time again, what

1:06:56.440 --> 1:06:59.360
<v Speaker 2>is amazing to me? And until I guess you've walked

1:06:59.360 --> 1:07:02.320
<v Speaker 2>in another shoe, it's hard to necessarily like judge or

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<v Speaker 2>at least make sense of a circumstance. But the numbers

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<v Speaker 2>are outrageous of people who have won fat, historically large jackpots.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know about internationally, like over in the

1:07:14.200 --> 1:07:17.120
<v Speaker 2>UK and other places they have big lotteries, but I

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<v Speaker 2>know in the United States the number, I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>easily beyond like sixty percent of people who cash out big,

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<v Speaker 2>they end up often in worse financial situations after the

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<v Speaker 2>money is won, which I can't process how that could happen.

1:07:33.240 --> 1:07:36.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you would have to work really hard to

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<v Speaker 2>spend that kind of money. And the only thing I

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<v Speaker 2>can think of is if you don't have anonymity, you

1:07:41.680 --> 1:07:44.640
<v Speaker 2>get overwhelmed by beggars and hangers on and leeches and

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<v Speaker 2>sucubus and people trying to just like termites, just suck

1:07:48.840 --> 1:07:51.760
<v Speaker 2>out every bit of money they can from you, or

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<v Speaker 2>people just don't know how to live within your meanings.

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<v Speaker 2>And even if it was only a third of the

1:07:57.480 --> 1:08:00.400
<v Speaker 2>seven hundred and thirty five million dollars, you're still talking

1:08:00.520 --> 1:08:05.160
<v Speaker 2>what two hundred and twenty five two hundred and fifteen

1:08:05.280 --> 1:08:09.080
<v Speaker 2>million dollars. Even if you just lived off this simple interest,

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<v Speaker 2>if you spread that around, if it was just something

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<v Speaker 2>ridiculous like all of two or three percent, right, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean you would have to struggle. I would have to struggle.

1:08:17.160 --> 1:08:20.960
<v Speaker 2>I can't process helping charity after charity, Cincinnati Animal Care

1:08:21.080 --> 1:08:25.759
<v Speaker 2>rescues for animals, you know, at risk kids, families issues,

1:08:26.040 --> 1:08:28.480
<v Speaker 2>and give people you know the weight off their shoulders.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, after you even did all that I just described,

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<v Speaker 2>there'd be a fortune left. So hopefully if you win,

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<v Speaker 2>you do not become a cautionary tale and someone that

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<v Speaker 2>later on, I try to, like quismically, try to make

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<v Speaker 2>sense of how the circumstance didn't bode well for you.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people probably are just quietly

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<v Speaker 2>you keep the anonymity. I don't think I would tell anyone,

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't. I mean I would get counsel, I

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<v Speaker 2>would get a good CPA, and I would just I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think I would changed the way I live or

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<v Speaker 2>what I do.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd still show up.

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<v Speaker 2>Here to do this, which is maybe crazy, but I

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<v Speaker 2>mean it's something I love to do, and I mean

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<v Speaker 2>that would be effectively, officially what you would call few money, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>for any particular reason you did not want to deal

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<v Speaker 2>with anything you didn't want to deal with, you could go, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not bothered by that, I'm through with it, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you could just comfortably, quietly just get up and

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<v Speaker 2>walk away, which is probably a big weight off your shoulders,

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<v Speaker 2>because what they say is people worrying about stress of

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<v Speaker 2>money and you know, finances and the future and health

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<v Speaker 2>care cost and everything else is as bad in the

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<v Speaker 2>way it affects people who are on the lower end

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<v Speaker 2>of that scale, where desperation and unsure you know, outcomes

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<v Speaker 2>with those things are concerned. It's just as bad as

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<v Speaker 2>somebody having a history of heart problems and major health

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<v Speaker 2>issues genetically predisposed. So there is a lot of stress

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<v Speaker 2>about where the food's gonna come from, and the roof

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<v Speaker 2>over your head, and the shoes on your kids feet

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<v Speaker 2>and everything. And I would think a billion, six hundred

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars would probably cover that worry for the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of your days and probably generation after generation after that,

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<v Speaker 2>at least, I would hope. So so good luck to you.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll let you know what those numbers are post haste.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if it's Lee Mallen or in fact

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<v Speaker 2>if it's Brady Hopkins, but one of them will be

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<v Speaker 2>in the booth giving you news right now that matters

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<v Speaker 2>to us here in the tri State and a round

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<v Speaker 2>planet Earth on the Home of the Bengals, the best

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<v Speaker 2>Bengals coverage with James Rapine joining me next talking who Day,

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<v Speaker 2>plus the Reds, the Musketeers, the Bearcats, Me Sterling, Gary,

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff r Willie, Eddie and Rocky. We're all here, including

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Waddell. News Radio seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 3>All right here where you go.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the Monday after Sterling hanging out seven hundred wy

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<v Speaker 2>W from parts unknown, something money and warmer than your

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<v Speaker 2>thousands of the Mason Dition like closer to the Atlantic yea,

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<v Speaker 2>the Atlantic nothing, gul What am I talking about? South

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<v Speaker 2>Florida bound and homeward bound sooner than later? James Rapine

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<v Speaker 2>of course locked on Bengals Cincinnati Bengals talk enter the Jungle,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think in time for Christmas is still available.

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<v Speaker 2>You're still in the warm What is going on?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I'm living it up, starling every ounce of warmth

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<v Speaker 8>I can get.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna take no doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>I respect and admire that I want to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>this whiplash weather, but it also is a whiplash Bengals

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<v Speaker 2>team from being shut out by the Ravens to going

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<v Speaker 2>into the Dolphins place in Miami with a rookie quarterback,

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<v Speaker 2>and really especially the second half, it seems like they

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<v Speaker 2>just put on a clinic like they were doing what

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<v Speaker 2>you would have expected this Bengals team to do most

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<v Speaker 2>of the season.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, yeah, it's I think there's certainly somewhat could have

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<v Speaker 8>been when it comes to watching that offense and Bo

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<v Speaker 8>Burrow and Jamar Chase and you know, all of the weapons,

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<v Speaker 8>and I think that's it is. T Higgins has battled

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<v Speaker 8>the concussion symptoms and everything that he's had.

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<v Speaker 1>Well when he was out there, you know, with Jamar

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<v Speaker 1>and Joe, you're.

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<v Speaker 8>Like, oh man, these guys they're just so good, they're

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<v Speaker 8>so special. And you also saw a young defense that

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<v Speaker 8>was opportunistic that forced some turnovers.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they forced that fumble, it didn't come to them.

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<v Speaker 8>They vetted a pass in the air to force that

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<v Speaker 8>second interception, they get off the field on fourth and short, like,

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<v Speaker 8>those are big plays that they do deserve credit for,

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<v Speaker 8>but it does feel hollow because they improved a five

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<v Speaker 8>and ten, right, and that's that's just not where we expected.

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<v Speaker 8>That's certainly not where I expected this team to be,

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<v Speaker 8>and they didn't expect to be there either, And so

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<v Speaker 8>I get the hollow feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also understand.

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<v Speaker 8>How good it is to see them play the way

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<v Speaker 8>they should have played for most of this season.

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<v Speaker 2>I think No, I mean, I think that's about as

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<v Speaker 2>great of an overview and a sad reality is what

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<v Speaker 2>we're all getting. But Chase Brown, you know, scores three

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<v Speaker 2>times the defense, like you mentioned, you know, a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of what two three take three takeaways. Openly, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's huge and it is sort of for not but

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<v Speaker 2>this is good for their psychology, right, and is it

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<v Speaker 2>good for the fan?

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<v Speaker 3>Base and this situation.

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<v Speaker 2>I tell you, I felt a whole lot better yesterday

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<v Speaker 2>afternoon and evening than I did a week ago and

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<v Speaker 2>going into Christmas week. And I don't know why it should.

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<v Speaker 2>It has nothing absolutely to do with me. I didn't play,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't win, but we all seem to walk differently

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<v Speaker 2>when that team does well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, there's no doubt.

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<v Speaker 8>I think that it has such an impact, and it

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<v Speaker 8>has such an impact if we go like really high

1:13:54.200 --> 1:13:59.040
<v Speaker 8>overview because we know how good they can be with

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<v Speaker 8>Joe at quarterback. I was talking to someone before the

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<v Speaker 8>game yesterday with the Dolphins, and I won't go any

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<v Speaker 8>farther because I don't want to get.

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<v Speaker 1>Him or her in trouble.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, but he's like, well, he's like, I can't believe

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<v Speaker 8>I gave it away right away. But it's so hard

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<v Speaker 8>to find that guy at quarterback. And so when you

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<v Speaker 8>find it, you do have a little strut in your walk.

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<v Speaker 8>You do feel a little more confident because you know

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<v Speaker 8>you have a chance. And so as a as a city,

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<v Speaker 8>and I think as a fan base, Bengals fans look

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<v Speaker 8>at it and say, well, if we have Joe, we

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<v Speaker 8>have a chance. And for the past three seasons, it

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<v Speaker 8>hasn't really felt that way.

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<v Speaker 1>It felt it's felt.

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<v Speaker 8>Like they've wasted him, and so they need to figure

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<v Speaker 8>that out in this offseason. And I think that's my

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<v Speaker 8>big takeaway from Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>Is, Oh, Joe's still that guy. Jamar still that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He's still that guy.

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<v Speaker 8>You can turn this around really fast when you have

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<v Speaker 8>those dudes, because everyone else in the league wants those dudes.

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<v Speaker 1>You have them, So it's up to the organization to

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<v Speaker 1>turn it around.

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<v Speaker 2>And a hurd Yeah, and that really is James Rapine

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, from Lockdown Bengals Cincinnati Bengals talk and

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<v Speaker 2>enter the jungle of the book, which is perfect for

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas time and stocking stuffing if you're looking for something

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<v Speaker 2>last minute. Not that this is an ad, it's not,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just because I think it's cool and I

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<v Speaker 2>got you on the lines and you're hanging out in Miami.

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<v Speaker 3>Still, I'm not jealous at all.

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<v Speaker 2>There's two games left, So do they go balls out

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<v Speaker 2>to just do what they can against the Cardinals into

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<v Speaker 2>the Browns or do you start seeing them work through

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<v Speaker 2>some other things and see what else they have? Depth wise,

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<v Speaker 2>is they try to figure out off season moves.

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<v Speaker 8>No, I think I think they're one hundred percent going

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<v Speaker 8>to push forward.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 8>They're already playing a lot of their young guys yea,

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<v Speaker 8>And so it's not like there are a bunch of

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<v Speaker 8>guys that are just unknowns.

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<v Speaker 1>There are certain guys that I'd like to see more of.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, you want mckimmy Jackson getting a bunch of

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<v Speaker 8>snaps and to see what he can do. But talking

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<v Speaker 8>about a second year defensive tackle, right there's not a

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<v Speaker 8>former third round pick.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not like a smar Stewart.

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<v Speaker 8>Of course, he got to play him and he's healthy

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<v Speaker 8>and hopefully that continues. But no, overall, like from a

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<v Speaker 8>Joe Burrow Lamar Chase perspective, I think all those guys

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<v Speaker 8>are going to play, and I think that this is

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<v Speaker 8>going to be a team that pushes for that seven

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<v Speaker 8>and ten mark, which again is going to feel hollow.

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<v Speaker 8>And I think they are going to be fans that

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<v Speaker 8>are disappointed that they put to that hard to get

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<v Speaker 8>to seven and ten, and they very well could would

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<v Speaker 8>not surprise me one bit if they handle business over

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<v Speaker 8>the next couple of roots.

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<v Speaker 2>James Rapine was sterling seven hundred WLW locked on Bengals

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<v Speaker 2>talking Bengals, and of course a very nice trip for

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<v Speaker 2>them to South Florida to take on the Marlins. And

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<v Speaker 2>people were upset when I said the fish. I realize

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<v Speaker 2>that it is not really a fish, the dolphin. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a whole nother thing. It's a mammal. I guess it's

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<v Speaker 2>got a blowhole. That's all I know. But that being said,

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<v Speaker 2>we look at people really were effect they distrol for nothing,

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<v Speaker 2>and I kind of enjoy it. But anyway, as you

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<v Speaker 2>look at this and you see what the team is

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<v Speaker 2>capable of, and you wonder, is it We've joked about

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<v Speaker 2>it before, but I mean, did they bear Like do

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<v Speaker 2>they build on a burial ground at pay Corps? And

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<v Speaker 2>what was synergy Riverfront? Is there something beyond this? Because

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like, well, if we could just get a

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<v Speaker 2>better start, if you can just somehow keep the quarterback healthy.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it is one thing after another. And I

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<v Speaker 2>do realize that only a handful of teams actually get

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<v Speaker 2>to the playoffs, and only a handful of teams get

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<v Speaker 2>there regularly and get to the super Bowl regularly. But

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<v Speaker 2>you want to a playoff caliber caliber football team, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>But it just seems like it's all you write this story,

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<v Speaker 2>you go, really what happened?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, yeah, the answer is yes, right. All off season

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<v Speaker 8>it was the it was the oh, they got to

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<v Speaker 8>start fast, or of course you do, you got to

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<v Speaker 8>start past and they did. They started to and oh

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<v Speaker 8>all right, well there's still fifteen more games.

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<v Speaker 1>And what they need is they need.

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<v Speaker 8>To understand that, yeah, their quarterback might get hurt. The

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<v Speaker 8>world can't end. It got to be able to survive.

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<v Speaker 8>As great as Joe is, you got to be able

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<v Speaker 8>to survive without him. And so how do you build

1:18:15.880 --> 1:18:19.600
<v Speaker 8>a roster that puts Joe in position to succeed and

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<v Speaker 8>your Super Bowl contenders.

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<v Speaker 1>With him and without him?

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<v Speaker 8>You're a competent football team that can go four and

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<v Speaker 8>five without him.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say he misses nine games again, which he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to. They don't want him to. Hopefully he doesn't, right.

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<v Speaker 8>But going one in eight without Joe, like if they

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<v Speaker 8>had just gone four and five under five hundred average team, right,

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<v Speaker 8>it's completely different.

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<v Speaker 3>And they're still they're still on the hunt.

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<v Speaker 8>They probably win the division too, you know, because because

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<v Speaker 8>some of these some of these games that were kind

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<v Speaker 8>of up in the air would have felt different when

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<v Speaker 8>Joe comes back, it just feels different.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything everything would have changed.

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<v Speaker 8>And so that's that's where I'm at is you need

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<v Speaker 8>to have a competent team. That whether it's Joe Burrow

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<v Speaker 8>or Joe Flacco or one of the other backups. I

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<v Speaker 8>don't think it should be Jake Brownie be on record

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<v Speaker 8>now and I like Jake, but I think we saw

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<v Speaker 8>you know it just it can't work. So whoever that

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<v Speaker 8>guy is at quarterback, if Joe goes gets hurt, the

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<v Speaker 8>team around him needs to be good enough to be

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<v Speaker 8>an average team, and the coaching around him, by the

1:19:25.040 --> 1:19:27.360
<v Speaker 8>way they're coaching around him, needs to be good enough

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<v Speaker 8>to be an average team. And that's up to the

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<v Speaker 8>front office, the organization, ownership, all of the above to

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<v Speaker 8>make sure they push the right buttons of the sawt

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<v Speaker 8>season to get that.

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<v Speaker 1>Part of it bout.

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<v Speaker 2>James Rapine from Cincinnati Bengals talk with Sterling on the

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<v Speaker 2>big one. We're short on time. I appreciate you making

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<v Speaker 2>it a hanging out in South Florida. You're not like

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<v Speaker 2>even at the beach or trying to get out of

1:19:45.680 --> 1:19:47.240
<v Speaker 2>there to get back home. How fun is it? By

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<v Speaker 2>the way, looking forward to coming back to the tri

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<v Speaker 2>State and the cold.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, the cold part I'm not looking forward to.

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<v Speaker 1>I am looking forward to being home. Yeah, but the

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<v Speaker 1>cold element.

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<v Speaker 8>If I could just bring home here, let's just say,

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<v Speaker 8>I can say put it that way. Still, no move's

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<v Speaker 8>coming anytime soon, but it is always tempting when you

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<v Speaker 8>leave one of these tropical places.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, they're like, well let's go back to twenty degrees.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's art worried, but it'll be like fifty sixty.

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<v Speaker 2>This Christmas week is weird. I'm sure we'll get punished

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<v Speaker 2>for it. I'll take it all day, every day. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this defense. They've drafted a lot high picks for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it coaching? Is it them not being able to finish?

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<v Speaker 2>Aside from how good they looked yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's a little bit of everything. I think they're young.

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<v Speaker 8>I think that some of the draft picks that they're

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<v Speaker 8>banking on weren't ready for the roles that they've been

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<v Speaker 8>put in.

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<v Speaker 1>But I go back to the off season and just.

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<v Speaker 8>Not adding proven guys when you're any win now scenario.

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<v Speaker 8>Rookies couldn't be able to walk in the starting zones,

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<v Speaker 8>and that's what Demetrius Knight did. I mean he walked

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<v Speaker 8>into one. And I'm not being mean to Demetrius. Barrett

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<v Speaker 8>Carter essentially did too when they benched Logan Wilson. And

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<v Speaker 8>so you're talking about two rookie linebackers, like you should

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<v Speaker 8>have to earn your way onto the field. It should

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<v Speaker 8>have to be hard to get into the starting lineup,

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<v Speaker 8>and it just isn't. I mean, they're playing all their

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<v Speaker 8>rookies right now, substantial time on defense. I mean they

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<v Speaker 8>need any and everything, and so the hope would be

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<v Speaker 8>that all this experience this season that they learned from

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<v Speaker 8>it and can be building blocks moving forward. I do

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<v Speaker 8>think Miles Murphy has been a right spot, like he's

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<v Speaker 8>been a guy that has gotten more reps, has shown it.

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<v Speaker 8>DJ Berner another one back, still another one. So there

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<v Speaker 8>are some guys on defense that I think should start

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<v Speaker 8>next year. But man oh man, do they need They

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<v Speaker 8>need to add some proven talent this offseason. And I

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<v Speaker 8>think that was their biggest mistake coming into this spear.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think, so, well, go get some boat drinks

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever you can get before you hop on that plane.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell you not to do that, Stay hydrated, and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>look for your Christmas time and into the bank.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah they Yeah, well I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know who they are that I've been told, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the alcohol in the air, you know, three miles up

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<v Speaker 2>going five hundred miles an hour, Yeah, that it will

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<v Speaker 2>suck the hydration right out your body.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm just saying, sitting here where I am looking

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<v Speaker 2>outside going out, it seems really extraordinarily warm for the season.

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<v Speaker 2>But watching and listening to that game yesterday and having

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<v Speaker 2>it look like summertime, I think boat drinks are a

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<v Speaker 2>mandatory thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's just me.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, I don't know, Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a Cardinals in town on Sunday, a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of days after Christmas, and then of course the Browns

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<v Speaker 2>come in after the new year. So we'll see how

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<v Speaker 2>they go. You think they win both or or they

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<v Speaker 2>go fifty to fifty on this or what, And then

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<v Speaker 2>I'll let you go. Not that you're like the prognosticator,

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<v Speaker 2>predictor or otherwise.

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<v Speaker 1>But maybe I picked them to brush the Dolphins and

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<v Speaker 1>they did that. Now I think you did it.

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<v Speaker 8>I think they'll handle business against the Cardinals. The Browns

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<v Speaker 8>is a real toss up, and I would consider. I

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<v Speaker 8>would consider, especially if you beat the Cardinals kind of

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<v Speaker 8>pulling things back in that Browns game.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they will, but I would.

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<v Speaker 8>Do you want Miles Garrett potentially coming after Jill Burrow

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<v Speaker 8>for a sack record?

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<v Speaker 1>Ok? I just don't really want to deal with those problems.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's just me.

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<v Speaker 2>So you put flack of it. Let him take a

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<v Speaker 2>beating for a guy who's almost a senior citizen. I

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<v Speaker 2>see how you are sling out.

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<v Speaker 3>You kidding me? I mean there's not enough pads to

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<v Speaker 3>keep me safe. I'm just saying.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, if I could get the league minimum,

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<v Speaker 2>sure even for the Lake minimum. Yeah, all right, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean check, I'm trying to get your paid.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm glad somebody is. James Rapine, thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>looking out for me? My god, where have you been

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<v Speaker 2>on my career?

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<v Speaker 1>A lot? Don't say that now, wait till those hits happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's true, that's only it only takes one and

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<v Speaker 2>I've already had a few concussions.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>I have fallen on my head off a piece of

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<v Speaker 2>modern art on the Square A downtown, but that's another show.

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<v Speaker 2>And another talk. Oh yeah, yeah, that's why I wear

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of hats man literally and figuratively. James Rapine,

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<v Speaker 2>Cincinnati Bengals Talk. Locked On Bengals, You do it all

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<v Speaker 2>and enter the jungle in time. It does sort of

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<v Speaker 2>fit in a very large stocking unless you get the

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<v Speaker 2>electronic copy if there is one.

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<v Speaker 1>There's non electronic copy yet.

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<v Speaker 8>If there is, maybe I'll have Sterling do the voice

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<v Speaker 8>for it, because it certainly shouldn't beat me.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, no, no, no, you got to you gotta

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<v Speaker 3>find voice. I appreciate you too.

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<v Speaker 2>If I don't talk to you before you and have

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<v Speaker 2>a fantastically Christmas time and we'll catch up sooner or later.

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<v Speaker 2>And my best of the family rapeen this holiday.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks to appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 3>Take care of yourself. I appreciate you too. That's James Forrapene.

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<v Speaker 2>Locked On Bengals, Cincinnati Bengals Talk more Sterling coming Back

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<v Speaker 2>And retired general says it's the test Perck example of

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<v Speaker 2>unt military consequences.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, if you're eleven thirty report, I'm ley Mawan breaking.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we could end up with, you know, thousands of

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<v Speaker 2>migrants showing up on the shores of Key West.

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<v Speaker 3>As you know, they run out of food and every