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Speaker 2: holiday Christmas time in twenty six, I think is when
Speaker 2: that starts. And in the news, which has gotten quite
Speaker 2: a bit of attention to start, we got a lot
Speaker 2: of groundcover tonight. By the way, Bengals with a big
Speaker 2: win in Florida, a little too late to make a
Speaker 2: difference for a playoff run. They're eliminated. But we'll talk
Speaker 2: to Joe Danaman about how that to outcome and how
Speaker 2: they played and what that means for the future of
Speaker 2: the Woday. We also have Mark Crumbine going to join
Speaker 2: us on that Elwood case where he was convicted of
Speaker 2: murder and he said he was innocent the whole way.
Speaker 2: And then they find that apparently there was no DNA
Speaker 2: or something weird and they overturn a case or say
Speaker 2: that at least he's not going to be able to
Speaker 2: be retried and and he's going to be free.
Speaker 3: And then they go, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait.
Speaker 2: A minute, there is no hepatitis as we initially had thought.
Speaker 2: So now I scratch my head and go, so does
Speaker 2: this guy really innocent? Not innocent? And we'll talk to
Speaker 2: a guy who knows about criminal defense cases and trying
Speaker 2: to get innocent people released, and obviously also dealing with
Speaker 2: putting the people who are not exactly safe for the
Speaker 2: rest of us to play with in the big sandbox
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Speaker 2: groundcover in James Rapine too. Holy crap, there's a lot
Speaker 2: going on. But first to start, you may have heard
Speaker 2: there is news about and there's tons of politics in
Speaker 2: the news. But I like to bring it home to
Speaker 2: what matters to us here in the dry state, and
Speaker 2: what matters to us is local stuff. And about election day,
Speaker 2: which has been election days for some period of time
Speaker 2: time where you could vote early. You can only vote once,
Speaker 2: not often, no matter what anybody says, and you could
Speaker 2: do mail in voting, and that's the case for a
Speaker 2: lot of our military personnel around planet Earth, as well
Speaker 2: as a lot of people in rural areas who have
Speaker 2: a hard time getting around, maybe seniors, and a lot
Speaker 2: of people who can't get off work. Today comes news
Speaker 2: that a governor Dwine would like to have apparently a
Speaker 2: vetoed a tightening up of rules surrounding when votes will
Speaker 2: be counted and tabulated, meaning election night, with the s
Speaker 2: still being allowed a four day grace period. I figured,
Speaker 2: why not talk to someone who knows a little bit
Speaker 2: about the politics of voting in history of it, former
Speaker 2: head of political science at Writes State and Dayton. She
Speaker 2: is a Cincinnati kid now professor Meredi, doctor Dona Schlehick.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to seven hundred WLW with Sterling.
Speaker 3: How are you hi?
Speaker 4: Sterling? Doing well?
Speaker 5: And you're right, there is really never a slow news day,
Speaker 5: is there not anymore?
Speaker 2: It's like whiplash, And you know, days ago you would think, well,
Speaker 2: this is clearly going to be a topic a You're like,
Speaker 2: it's like months ago, some stuff has happened. So I
Speaker 2: guess that's the nature of the world we're living in.
Speaker 2: As far as this election thing in the vote deal.
Speaker 2: Governor Dewin would like to have vetot it. He said
Speaker 2: he could not what does this effectively mean when it
Speaker 2: comes to people looking to cast their vote midterm elections
Speaker 2: or any other election moving forward in the great state
Speaker 2: of Ohio.
Speaker 5: Well, I think the bottom line, you know, and I'm
Speaker 5: so glad you wanted to talk about this to remind
Speaker 5: people to be registered. And if you have to vote absentee,
Speaker 5: if you're going to be traveling for work, you know,
Speaker 5: you may be called to active duty, if you're in
Speaker 5: the Guard or the Reserve, you may be in a
Speaker 5: nursing home. But there are many reasons why people do
Speaker 5: absentee ballots. You've got to move your timeline up at
Speaker 5: least by a week to be sure. It's got to
Speaker 5: be postmarked by the day of the election to be counted.
Speaker 5: And I don't know about you, I don't have major
Speaker 5: complaints about mail delivery, but it has gotten slow, which
Speaker 5: is why we had that grace here, right. He wants,
Speaker 5: as Governor DeWine said, he wants every vote to be counted.
Speaker 5: And I think most Americans would would agree with that sentiment. Ohio.
Speaker 5: The slightest bill that they're trying to tighten up some
Speaker 5: of the voting practices. You know, not a single audit
Speaker 5: has found any systematic fraud anywhere in in the Ohio system,
Speaker 5: and Ohio voters generally have a higher level of confidence
Speaker 5: in the integrity of the elections that happen in our state.
Speaker 5: But if you have to vote absentee, and Ohio is
Speaker 5: still not going to go to online voting, so that
Speaker 5: is you know, there is technology out there that might
Speaker 5: help us more sterling. We don't have to go into that,
Speaker 5: but if you, for any reason think you may be
Speaker 5: requesting an absentee ballance, get that thing filled out and
Speaker 5: in the mail a week ahead of time. I admit
Speaker 5: I'm genetically one of those people. I run a little early,
Speaker 5: but if you really want it to be counted, if
Speaker 5: we have a close race, We've got a couple of
Speaker 5: interesting ones. We have a governor's race coming up. We
Speaker 5: may see Vivek Ramaswami and Amy acton the term that JD.
Speaker 5: Vance left in the Senate. You know that seat now
Speaker 5: has to be filled permanently. Maybe John Houstead and Shared
Speaker 5: Brown are some of the names. But there are going
Speaker 5: to be a couple of big and potentially very closely
Speaker 5: contested races. Every vote will count, But that four day
Speaker 5: grace period, the governor really wanted to make sure that
Speaker 5: veterans serving overseas. Of course, it's always experienced problems with
Speaker 5: their ballots arriving late. Of all the people who are
Speaker 5: voting absentee, would you not want people on active duty
Speaker 5: serving the country overseas to have their votes counted?
Speaker 2: Is that rhetorical or are you actually asking me? Because
Speaker 2: I got to say, yeah, of course their votes should count.
Speaker 2: I think all of our votes should count too. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: let me reintroduce you. By the way, former head of
Speaker 2: political science at Right State. She is now professor, married
Speaker 2: to doctor Donna Slick, with Sterling on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 2: The four d grace period historically has been for those
Speaker 2: straggling votes that have been to be county that have
Speaker 2: been mailed in or otherwise. Right, they've tightened up the
Speaker 2: ballot box, the drop offs in county after county, all
Speaker 2: eighty eight and Ohio. Doctor Slick and you mentioned something
Speaker 2: also interesting about the slowing down of the mail and
Speaker 2: they've sort of centralized some of the delivery. I know
Speaker 2: from points south of Dayton that would normally have gone
Speaker 2: to a Dayton processing center coming from part of the
Speaker 2: tri State, maybe go to Cincinnati instead of going to
Speaker 2: Dayton's hub that's not there anymore. In all that region
Speaker 2: in Dayton goes to Columbus before it even would go
Speaker 2: to their next door neighbor's house, which is sort of bewildering.
Speaker 2: Some have argued that some of the changes to the
Speaker 2: postal services functioning and processes have been deliberately slowed down
Speaker 2: for something such as this. Do you buy into that
Speaker 2: or is that paranoia and more of the you know,
Speaker 2: tenfoil hat wearing conspiracists out there.
Speaker 5: Do you think, Oh, I was living and working in Dayton,
Speaker 5: moved to Cincinnati, and I have noticed, you know, I
Speaker 5: have insurance in that sort of thing, and my mail
Speaker 5: is much slower because they mail it to me from Dayton,
Speaker 5: but it goes to Columbus yep, and then it gets
Speaker 5: I have personally noticed the change since they closed that
Speaker 5: big Dayton hub. I don't know what the rationale was.
Speaker 5: You know, our Secretary of State they audit every election.
Speaker 5: The level of fraud is small. They may also be
Speaker 5: challenging people in terms of their citizenship. This could be
Speaker 5: a very interesting year, especially if you haven't voted before
Speaker 5: or if you're a new citizen, and it will be
Speaker 5: you know, it's an off year election, so the roles
Speaker 5: will probably be smaller, but we want to encourage participation
Speaker 5: and confidence in the system.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: And you know the governor was he was really reserved
Speaker 5: about it. But there is there's a case pending in
Speaker 5: another state, you know, to kill that four day grace period.
Speaker 5: So the legislature sort of is ahead of the curve
Speaker 5: on this one. But you know, the voting fraud is
Speaker 5: so small, uh, if it will be tight, remember to
Speaker 5: take your ID with you. That's also required if you're
Speaker 5: voting in Ohio. But measures like this, uh, particular for people,
Speaker 5: you know who maybe are on a rural route. What
Speaker 5: if you're in a nursing home. What if if you're
Speaker 5: in hospital and you you know, or you're you're you're disabled,
Speaker 5: students who are living away from home, they're you know
Speaker 5: there these people have very valid reasons for needing an
Speaker 5: absentee ballot process, but they're going to have to move
Speaker 5: up the timeline. The burden is going to be on
Speaker 5: the voter this time to make sure your vote is.
Speaker 3: Counted doctor Flake.
Speaker 2: Something that comes up regularly is to talk about it
Speaker 2: and say, other countries where they will have a day
Speaker 2: off and the sort of the national holiday for people to
Speaker 2: go on election day in some places obviously even longer
Speaker 2: than our early voting that takes place at more of
Speaker 2: elections county facilities around All eighty eight and Ohio, and
Speaker 2: it's pretty standard and a lot of places around the country.
Speaker 2: Are there big problems systemically in other places around the
Speaker 2: world where they have it a little bit more stretched out,
Speaker 2: in a little bit more openness, or are we on
Speaker 2: the right side of this? I mean, nobody wants impropriety,
Speaker 2: wrongdoing or shady things that changing the outcome of an
Speaker 2: election of what the people want doing.
Speaker 5: All right, I mean it is you know, the integrity
Speaker 5: and the public confidence in the integrity.
Speaker 4: You know, states that do.
Speaker 5: Online voting show very high levels of compliance and an
Speaker 5: absence of fraud. States that require voting. Countries we just
Speaker 5: had an election in Chile, voting is mandatory. You may
Speaker 5: get some time off, but you have to vote. So
Speaker 5: the variation across how countries practice a synth uh we
Speaker 5: I wish we could think of a you know, a
Speaker 5: more direct way, perhaps to incentivize people a national holiday.
Speaker 5: Uh that that that will be tricky in in times
Speaker 5: like this because you know that's an expense for offices,
Speaker 5: et cetera.
Speaker 4: But it's it's been discussed.
Speaker 5: For a long time. I don't think we're going to
Speaker 5: see that one. I'm holding my breast at the legislature
Speaker 5: will now move on to figure out how to fund
Speaker 5: public education in Ohio. You know, wait, wait, waiting for
Speaker 5: the for the big one to happen. But an online
Speaker 5: voting would would address so many of these problems, you know,
Speaker 5: particularly with the delays, three or four delays, it's very
Speaker 5: rare for it to have changed the outcome of an election,
Speaker 5: extremely rare. Ohio voters tend to be pretty confident, you know,
Speaker 5: despite our public discourse that talks about stolen elections and fraud,
Speaker 5: Ohio voters have an above average level of confidence. And
Speaker 5: and I think you know, Frank LeRose is Secretary of State.
Speaker 5: He's been auditing them as as is his job.
Speaker 1: Traud.
Speaker 5: You know, the audits just come out clean every time.
Speaker 5: So we'll have a lower turnout. It's it's an off year,
Speaker 5: but we're going to have some good races in Ohio,
Speaker 5: and I'm I'm glad that on radio we can remind
Speaker 5: people this is the rule has changed. And if you know,
Speaker 5: if you have typically voted absentee, get it in early.
Speaker 5: Make sure it's postmarked by the day of the election.
Speaker 5: That is the best thing that you can do. Do
Speaker 5: it early and be sure it's postmarked on the day
Speaker 5: of the election, and it should be counted. And if
Speaker 5: you happen to be on active duty, there's going to
Speaker 5: be special attention paid to those ballots, as there should be,
Speaker 5: as we would all hope that there would be. It's
Speaker 5: going to be an interesting election. It's just so much
Speaker 5: going on right now.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many things.
Speaker 2: I've had people paying me doctor Slake in the midst
Speaker 2: of this conversation. What about naming on buildings and putting
Speaker 2: a phases up, like you know, a dictator is another
Speaker 2: part of the world. I don't know it is there
Speaker 2: regular to put name on stuff of somebody sitting in office.
Speaker 2: Usually it comes after they have passed and people who
Speaker 2: support them and want to memorialize them as happened. Also questions,
Speaker 2: of course, about the legality of taking out boats in
Speaker 2: and around Venezuela and we've talked about regime change there
Speaker 2: and how the US historically has not exactly been very
Speaker 2: successful in trying to overturn governments or get people out
Speaker 2: of office and install either our puppets or ones that
Speaker 2: we find more conducive to our business needs or our
Speaker 2: national security needs. Let's, in short order, in about three minutes,
Speaker 2: explain if you can, or at least your take on
Speaker 2: what's going on with Venezuela, because I think that is
Speaker 2: maybe more top of mind for a lot of us
Speaker 2: who maybe have friends and family in the military and navy,
Speaker 2: and maybe we've seen a little of this dog and
Speaker 2: pony show before in some fashion when it comes to
Speaker 2: us as a nation looking to somehow else someone elsewhere
Speaker 2: for a number of other reasons.
Speaker 1: Yes, it is regime change.
Speaker 5: Yes, I think that that's that's that's what they're not
Speaker 5: saying out loud very often to put financial pressure on
Speaker 5: Venezuela and also indirectly on Cuba, which is kept a
Speaker 5: float financially by what used to be Russian oil and
Speaker 5: now it's it's Venezuelan oil.
Speaker 1: I heard an.
Speaker 5: Analyst this weekend say Maduro is so well protected, particularly
Speaker 5: by his Cuban bodyguard. That the smartest way to have
Speaker 5: regime change without complete chaos following would be to put
Speaker 5: the entire Venezuelan military on the American payroll.
Speaker 3: And that's awesome.
Speaker 5: Can we do that, I thought in the long run,
Speaker 5: given given what it costs to have diverted ten percent
Speaker 5: or so of our our forces to the Caribbean. Seriously,
Speaker 5: what happens after the regime change?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question. I think the Venezuelans would
Speaker 2: like to know too.
Speaker 4: I think I think they would.
Speaker 5: Is there a good model of regime change that has
Speaker 5: ended well for the people, for the economy, and for
Speaker 5: the region. Like you said earlier, there's not a long
Speaker 5: list of those good models, and quite frankly, I'm not
Speaker 5: sure how extensive. Right now, we're sort of scaring off
Speaker 5: the tankers. We're chasing them away before they could load up.
Speaker 5: It's going to cause a little pinch to the Chinese,
Speaker 5: you know, the major customer of the Venezuelans. I've been,
Speaker 5: you know, reading up on Venezuela. But you know, the
Speaker 5: first time I ever read about Venezuela back in the fifties,
Speaker 5: they helped get opequ organized, So that country has always
Speaker 5: had a strong sense of you know, their national wealth
Speaker 5: it's in petroleum, and that their national self determination depends
Speaker 5: upon their ability to control their country's wealth. So they
Speaker 5: worked with several Arab states to create what we know
Speaker 5: today as you know, a great, big oil cartel. But
Speaker 5: that census nationalism, national pride, and pressing the Venezuelans on
Speaker 5: this point, Sterling is almost guaranteed to get a real
Speaker 5: aggressive pushback from the Maduro regime.
Speaker 1: But you know, as a.
Speaker 5: Political science is my question is, okay, so after you've
Speaker 5: changed the head of the regime, what then that's.
Speaker 3: A solid question. I'm sorry, he's an.
Speaker 5: Office because of the stolen elections and he was able
Speaker 5: to miss the pressure to overturn him. He is unpopular
Speaker 5: in his country, but he is well guarded and the
Speaker 5: military is keeping him in office right now, so this
Speaker 5: thing will be coming to a head. I just wonder what,
Speaker 5: you know, Stage two and three and four is, you know,
Speaker 5: if we have offered him exile someplace, but how to
Speaker 5: have continuity without the chaos that typically follows a violent
Speaker 5: regime change.
Speaker 2: And the other interesting thing that we're out of time.
Speaker 2: But one of the things here is that that crude
Speaker 2: oil from Venezuela is easier to process with the facilities
Speaker 2: that we have that don't get built very fast in
Speaker 2: parts of Louisiana and all up and down most of
Speaker 2: the country. So there is obviously oil at the forefront
Speaker 2: of this too, not just the idea, which is of
Speaker 2: course our national security. It's not just the idea of drugs.
Speaker 2: That's sort of a dog and pony show. Arguably, it's
Speaker 2: always great to get in your head talking voting, talking
Speaker 2: national security and everything else. It's always good to have
Speaker 2: you here, your perspective and insights. Former head of political
Speaker 2: science at Wright State now Professor Meredith Cincinnati Kid doctor
Speaker 2: Dona Schleheck. Have yourself a great Christmas Honukah at Kwanta
Speaker 2: the holiday the new Year.
Speaker 3: We'll check in with again.
Speaker 4: Soon Mary, Christmas.
Speaker 3: Thanks, take care of yourself. More sterling coming back.
Speaker 2: Joe Daniman Fox nineteen don't talk food day, whip me
Speaker 2: after your nine thirty report on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 3: Well, well, well it.
Speaker 2: Was like Sazime Street easy good times in the summer
Speaker 2: sun where at least December sunshine of South Florida for
Speaker 2: those Bengals on the road yesterday with a big dominating
Speaker 2: win over the Dolphins, who really aren't that great, and
Speaker 2: this Bengals team somehow looked a little closer to what
Speaker 2: we expected than the look all year, but injuries and
Speaker 2: there's all kinds of the weirdness that went with that baggage.
Speaker 3: Your twenty five season so far.
Speaker 2: Joe Daniman knows covers Bengals and everything else sports for
Speaker 2: Fox nineteen, giving us some time. How are you, how's everything?
Speaker 2: And how was the weekend? I know you did some
Speaker 2: stuff with the family.
Speaker 4: Too, Yes, the weekend was wonderful, getting a chance to
Speaker 4: see my boys played some high school basketball this weekend
Speaker 4: before watching the Bengals play on Sunday. And a Merry
Speaker 4: Christmas to you. I hope you get to enjoy some.
Speaker 3: Time off this week sot enjoy the holidays, Absolutely, you too.
Speaker 3: What about this Bengals team?
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, after what was a demoralizing shutout
Speaker 2: loss which has not happened very often in recent years
Speaker 2: for the Bengals against the Ravens, they take a trip
Speaker 2: south and you kind of like, well, what's this Bengals
Speaker 2: team gonna do? Are they just gonna work on the
Speaker 2: future and see what other guys can they've tried some
Speaker 2: other guys out a Burrow, Chase Higgins, Chase Brown. I mean,
Speaker 2: all of the offensive weapons clicking, especially the second half.
Speaker 2: Just pounded those fish or I guess there are a porpoise,
Speaker 2: it's a mammal.
Speaker 3: Whatever.
Speaker 2: The dolphin is what it is, and I hear it's
Speaker 2: good on it. They're good eating. But I don't want
Speaker 2: to eat a dolphin. I really don't.
Speaker 4: I try to think back to what ah Ventura said
Speaker 4: about the difference between a porpoise in a mammal in
Speaker 4: the movie, but it felt like the ultimate get right
Speaker 4: spot for the Bengals to play the Dolphins, playing a
Speaker 4: rookie quarterback and a seventh round rookie in that and
Speaker 4: coming off the shutout loss to the Baltimore Ravens. To
Speaker 4: see what it looks like yesterday. That has to be
Speaker 4: both at the same time a great feeling for Bengals
Speaker 4: fans to see it, and also at the same time
Speaker 4: the big what if of what this season could have
Speaker 4: been and what these last three years could have been.
Speaker 4: When you see what it looks like the Big three
Speaker 4: are firing like they did on Sunday with mar chse
Speaker 4: T Higgins and Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: And now it's got.
Speaker 4: To be urgent on the organization again when you're reminded
Speaker 4: what it looks like that if you just put the
Speaker 4: pieces around the big three to be successful, it's as
Speaker 4: dangerous an offense as there is in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And they've got to get it right.
Speaker 4: They've got to get the right people around those three
Speaker 4: for this team to play better football in twenty twenty six,
Speaker 4: because what they have in those three is pretty darn special,
Speaker 4: and I think the numbers would show it out, but
Speaker 4: our eyeballs held the tail for us as well. We
Speaker 4: all saw it, we know it, we know what it
Speaker 4: looks like, and it happened again, and I think it
Speaker 4: again reminds the front office what they've got to do
Speaker 4: right next year for this team to be in position
Speaker 4: to be playing in January.
Speaker 2: Talking to Joe Danman Fox nineteen, it's at Fox nineteen, Joe,
Speaker 2: if you're on ex or Twitter, whatever you want to call.
Speaker 2: It was Sterling on the big one the spine Monday night.
Speaker 2: We also saw a defense that look tremendous, But again
Speaker 2: it's the Dolphins and it's been a struggle for a
Speaker 2: long time. They've had draft after draft after draft, high
Speaker 2: top type draft picks. And my question to you is
Speaker 2: is it a development problem? Is it a talent problem?
Speaker 2: Is it a coaching problem? Why has the defense been
Speaker 2: so consistently inconsistent for so long? Regardless who is where
Speaker 2: worn that hat is ahead of that defense when it
Speaker 2: comes to you know, I guess coaching for one of
Speaker 2: a better way.
Speaker 4: If I had to land on one answer, I think
Speaker 4: I would land on a talent evaluation problem. That when
Speaker 4: they go into the draft and they target these players,
Speaker 4: and you go back to the draft just this last
Speaker 4: spring and all the talking heads who were pointing towards
Speaker 4: certain players for the Bengals to take, and those players
Speaker 4: being available, and the Bengals deciding to put their draft
Speaker 4: pick on someone else and bank on their ability to
Speaker 4: coach that person up and get quality football out of them.
Speaker 4: And it felt risky with some of their picks, especially
Speaker 4: the first two picks, Shamar Stewart and Demetrius Knight. And
Speaker 4: here we are now sixteen weeks into the season, and
Speaker 4: I really don't know if you have a great grasp
Speaker 4: on what you have, and really any of these rookies,
Speaker 4: especially Shamar Stewart, who hasn't played a lot of football.
Speaker 4: He certainly flashed a little bit Sunday in Miami, but
Speaker 4: he hasn't played a ton, so I'm not sure if
Speaker 4: you know what kind of a commodity he is. Demetrious
Speaker 4: Knight has been up and down in his rookie season,
Speaker 4: so the jury's still out on him. Barrett Carter is
Speaker 4: one that I'm sure Bengals fans are hoping either starts
Speaker 4: to show that he can play at a level where
Speaker 4: he deserves to start, or the Bengalis think about either
Speaker 4: investing in free agency or the draft with another high
Speaker 4: draft pick of finding someone to play that linebacker spot
Speaker 4: that they can rely on a little bit more. But
Speaker 4: I think what's the most important about the second half
Speaker 4: of this season with the defense, And let's be honest,
Speaker 4: they have been and better. Now the bar was really
Speaker 4: low for them to be better, but to have been
Speaker 4: a little bit better incrementally here in the second half
Speaker 4: of the season. And I do think you can pick
Speaker 4: out certain players that have played well and you can say, okay,
Speaker 4: they can be contributors in the future. The guys like
Speaker 4: Miles Murphy who we didn't know if he could be
Speaker 4: a contributor, I think he's shown here in the last
Speaker 4: month and a half that he can do that. DJ Turner,
Speaker 4: Dax Hill, guys that have proven this year they can
Speaker 4: be contributors. I think Jordan Battle, while he's not perfect,
Speaker 4: has made enough plays this year that you can rely
Speaker 4: on him to be a contributor. So that's what I'm
Speaker 4: watching for the final two weeks, especially the rookies. Tamar Stewart,
Speaker 4: Demetrius Knight, Barrett Carter. Can these guys continue to show
Speaker 4: the kind of flashes that at least validate the Bengal
Speaker 4: is looking forward to twenty twenty six and say, Okay,
Speaker 4: these are guys we can rely on to contribute.
Speaker 1: To a defense.
Speaker 4: So that's going to have to get a lot better,
Speaker 4: and it's going to have to get a lot better
Speaker 4: in agency, not just the draft. The Bengals have got
Speaker 4: to do it. They've got to go for it in
Speaker 4: a free agency for this defense to make the kind
Speaker 4: of jump it has to make next year for the
Speaker 4: Big three to be able to play in playoff games.
Speaker 2: Talking to Joe Danaman Fox nineteen Sports Sterling seven hundred
Speaker 2: wlw uh, it's harder from people I've talked to to
Speaker 2: develop and have younger guys come in on a defense
Speaker 2: than it is on the offense.
Speaker 3: Do you buy that?
Speaker 2: I mean going out and getting pieces of more experienced players.
Speaker 2: I know there have been some injury issues. We obviously
Speaker 2: know guys who were expected to be here have not
Speaker 2: necessarily been here for the whole ride this season, or
Speaker 2: playing less than eight hundred percent, which is fairly common anyway.
Speaker 2: But to have some guys on defense that are players
Speaker 2: that are gamers, that are not green, it's is it
Speaker 2: really harder on defense than offense to get out there
Speaker 2: and get it clicking?
Speaker 4: I think on offense, there's a lot of plug and
Speaker 4: play positions in football that you can put a guy
Speaker 4: out there and and they can make plays right away
Speaker 4: when you plug them. In defense, just in general, and
Speaker 4: this is going to sound very rudimentary, but just in general,
Speaker 4: it's very much more a read and react kind of
Speaker 4: spot on the football field. And so yeah, I think
Speaker 4: part of the problem the first eight weeks of the season,
Speaker 4: especially when Dak Taylor and the coaching staff committed to
Speaker 4: going to these two rookie linebackers, is understanding these guys
Speaker 4: have to figure out where to line up, what are
Speaker 4: their keys, where do they go, how do they react?
Speaker 4: And you're seeing teams through a lot of misdirection to
Speaker 4: try to test the eye discipline of these guys to
Speaker 4: make sure that they, without a lot of experience, can
Speaker 4: make the kind of right read and go to the
Speaker 4: right spot. Now, even when they are doing that, you're
Speaker 4: still seeing some problems pop up with tackling, and that
Speaker 4: isn't something that should happen at this level, especially if
Speaker 4: you're a high draft pick like Matrius Knight and Barrett
Speaker 4: Carter who was a relatively high draft pick as well.
Speaker 4: But I think in general, the development on the defensive
Speaker 4: side of the football is probably more growing pain than
Speaker 4: the offensive side. Certainly, Dylan Fairchild has been plugged in
Speaker 4: right there at the offensive line and has played a
Speaker 4: solid season Dat Taylor said as much today, But he's
Speaker 4: also right next to two really betteran guys who can
Speaker 4: help cover up for his mistakes. You look on defense
Speaker 4: to Meetrius Knight and Barrett Carter make mistakes. Who's really
Speaker 4: back there to help them cover up those mistakes? Gino Stones,
Speaker 4: That's not a great thing for a defense. And I
Speaker 4: think two as I say Geno Stones name, I think too,
Speaker 4: what's important where this defense can show the guys that
Speaker 4: you can count on to contribute in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4: I think it's also important to understand that the Bengals
Speaker 4: coaching staff and the organization now gets to look at
Speaker 4: the guys they don't want to count on in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty six, and those guys have proven themselves this year
Speaker 4: that some aren't good enough to be relied upon going
Speaker 4: into next year, and that there have to be changes.
Speaker 4: And certainly safety is one of those positions where the
Speaker 4: Bengals have to make a change. So it's not just
Speaker 4: the guys who are flashing and developing and getting better
Speaker 4: that you can rely upon. It's also making the assessments
Speaker 4: on the guys that you have to move on from.
Speaker 4: And I think the Bengals have gotten a long look
Speaker 4: at both of those and have some decisions to make.
Speaker 2: Here in a couple of weeks now it's clear that
Speaker 2: there's almost been sort of there's the learning curve that's
Speaker 2: been shortened, and you get to see some guys in
Speaker 2: showcase in the midst of what has been an ugly season,
Speaker 2: you know, and you know, it's all we want the
Speaker 2: guys to start strong, you know, And so they did
Speaker 2: they go like what two and oho to starts they're like,
Speaker 2: oh four, and then you go, oh, Joe's toe, and
Speaker 2: then you get Flacco, I mean, and then you go, well,
Speaker 2: he only wins one. How is that possible? They only
Speaker 2: could win a couple more games? How much better would
Speaker 2: this whole circumstance be coming from the AFC North. They
Speaker 2: could have been in contention for the AFC North tidle
Speaker 2: and go in that way if there would just been
Speaker 2: I mean, how many of these games have been just
Speaker 2: a score away, a field goal, even just a point
Speaker 2: where you're like watching or listening to Lap and Hoard
Speaker 2: and you're just like, oh, my head's gonna explode. It's
Speaker 2: just ridiculous, and I think I care too much Joe Danaman.
Speaker 4: But if you think about the Jets and the Bears
Speaker 4: game though, those are those one score one play games
Speaker 4: that very much were winnable for the Bengalis, and if
Speaker 4: they win them, here they are seven and eight and
Speaker 4: week fifteen and they might have a pulse in the
Speaker 4: AMC North. But it's been such an odd season because
Speaker 4: it feels like it's been three different seasons in one
Speaker 4: maybe even four where they had the start of the year,
Speaker 4: and you mentioned it. Everybody said get off to the
Speaker 4: fast start, and they did that. That includes beating a
Speaker 4: Jacksonville Jaguars team right now who is as hot as
Speaker 4: anybody in the AFC and might be one of the
Speaker 4: favorites to play for an AFC championship here in about
Speaker 4: a month. So you can see what they look like
Speaker 4: when they have their team together.
Speaker 1: So that was season one.
Speaker 4: Then Joe goes down, and season two was this midsmash
Speaker 4: of Jake Browning and Joe Flacco, and then season three
Speaker 4: was Joe Burrow's come back, and you look at what
Speaker 4: they've done, and I think it's important to look at
Speaker 4: what this team has done with Joe Burrow the last
Speaker 4: and let's go back to last year, the last twelve
Speaker 4: thirteen weeks, because they've won the final five games. Last
Speaker 4: year with Joe, they won the first two and that
Speaker 4: includes bidding a good Jacksonville team a playoff team. Then
Speaker 4: he comes back and they go on the road and
Speaker 4: beat a good Baltimore team, and then they have Buffalo
Speaker 4: on the ropes in the fourth quarter before the turnovers happen,
Speaker 4: and then the Baltimore game. So outside of the Baltimore game,
Speaker 4: the one at home where the Bengals were shut out.
Speaker 4: When the Bengals have Joe Burrow playing their competitives and
Speaker 4: they're playing with some of the better teams and beating
Speaker 4: some of the better teams in the AFC, So they're
Speaker 4: not far away, right, and it's not just getting.
Speaker 1: To the playoffs.
Speaker 4: And I think that's important to hammer home when you
Speaker 4: start talking about all the changes that Joe Burrow is
Speaker 4: hinting towards in the offseason, whether or not that's coaching changes,
Speaker 4: whether or not that's funt office changes. The changes have
Speaker 4: to be urgency and free agency for this team to
Speaker 4: not only say, okay, what do we have to do
Speaker 4: to get back to the playoffs. This is a championship level,
Speaker 4: top heavy team with those three. So if you surround
Speaker 4: the right players around those three, you're not just competing
Speaker 4: with playoff teams like they've done this year with Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4: You're beating them. And if you're beating them, you can
Speaker 4: compete for championships.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it helps. I mean, you don't even need
Speaker 2: an extraordinary defense. You need a serviceable defense with an
Speaker 2: offense that scores the way they do, which at times
Speaker 2: seems like it's at will, which is an amazing thing.
Speaker 2: When they're hitting it, it's it almost looks like it's
Speaker 2: slow motion, which is is a wild thing. But we'll
Speaker 2: see how it comes together. Anything I have not asked.
Speaker 2: I know we need to let you go on about
Speaker 2: your day and enjoy Christmas time and family and friends
Speaker 2: and everything else that's going on.
Speaker 3: Joe Danaman, if I can ask you a question, Oh.
Speaker 1: No you oh here we go?
Speaker 3: Oh no, okay, oh no, Christmas week, yes, yes, it's
Speaker 3: Christmas Week.
Speaker 4: I have three boys, and I'm trying to think of
Speaker 4: a last minute great gift, and I'm thinking Bengals tickets.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: Is that a good gift because they're out of the playoffs.
Speaker 4: But it's a home game, it's a winnable game, Joe
Speaker 4: Burrow is playing, and two of my boys have never
Speaker 4: gone to a Bengals game. So is that a good
Speaker 4: gift from a dad to a son to give them
Speaker 4: tickets to a game that doesn't have any playoff meeting?
Speaker 2: Well, just to be serious, one, let's forget about the
Speaker 2: fact that you're Joe Danaman, Fox nineteen Sports, who knows people,
Speaker 2: who has connections, So let's start there.
Speaker 3: I think it's a no brainer. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean you get to go to pay Corps, you
Speaker 2: get to get up close and personal and watch NFL football,
Speaker 2: Bengals go at it with Joe Burrow, Jamar, Chase T.
Speaker 2: Higgins if his head's right still, Chase Brown, p Ryan
Speaker 2: who was all over the place, and a defense that
Speaker 2: maybe can do some work. I mean they got the Cardinals, right,
Speaker 2: you got the Browns.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: In fact, I want to be one of your kids
Speaker 3: right now is bright? No, they should be happy.
Speaker 4: It's about to be decently warm on Sunday. Although I've
Speaker 4: heard the word storms for first Sunday. We'll see about that.
Speaker 4: What a wild thing that would be in late December.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think I'm gonna do it. I think
Speaker 4: I'm gonna make that my last minute gift.
Speaker 2: I think I think it's a great choice. Even mister Waddell,
Speaker 2: who's producing, is like, well what about us? What about us?
Speaker 2: I totally get that. Yeah, it's always good to talk
Speaker 2: to you. I hope you have a great Christmas and
Speaker 2: a great New Year. If we don't connect again, I
Speaker 2: appreciate you bringing what you do and certainly watching it
Speaker 2: and seeing what you bring. On Fox nineteen Joe Daniman,
Speaker 2: thank you and take care of yourself and have fun.
Speaker 4: With the boys Sunday. Christ I appreciate it. Merry Christmas, guys.
Speaker 2: Take care of yourself more Sterling coming back seven hundred
Speaker 2: W WELLW here we are a couple of minutes away
Speaker 2: from your ten o'clock report. It's a Monday night, Sterling.
Speaker 2: Garrett Jeff was on earlier.
Speaker 3: I'm here now.
Speaker 2: It's the holidays, Christmas kwans Hanikah a full effect right
Speaker 2: now and just trying to get through it. And I
Speaker 2: just picked up a Mark, a criminal defense counsel superstar,
Speaker 2: gonna join us after the ten o'clock report to try
Speaker 2: to make sense of It's an odd case because you
Speaker 2: have a case about a woman, Rodea Nathan, who lost
Speaker 2: her life at the hand of another. She was murdered,
Speaker 2: brutally beaten in a hotel room at Embassy Suites, Blue
Speaker 2: ash in like a third and was it ninety three,
Speaker 2: ninety five somewhere at ninety four, so we're talking in
Speaker 2: excess of thirty years ago. There was a guy tried
Speaker 2: who worked there, his name Elwood Jones. He the whole
Speaker 2: time is our prisons are filled with people who say
Speaker 2: they're innocent, and he said he was innocent. He's kept
Speaker 2: to that story. Then people start fighting for him. They say, listen,
Speaker 2: it's circumstantial evidence. That doesn't mean anything. DNA hepatitis, no hepatitis,
Speaker 2: there's something, And they go, okay, fine, we can't try
Speaker 2: you again. I think it's called no prejudice on the
Speaker 2: overturnament or what have you, and I'll probably be corrected.
Speaker 2: Mister Crumbine momentarily, that's why he's here. He knows what's what.
Speaker 2: And then just a couple days later, Joe Dieters now
Speaker 2: in the Supreme Court, used to be prosecutor, comes out
Speaker 2: and says, that's a bunch of crap. We had what
Speaker 2: we needed. He should be locked up. He is guilty.
Speaker 2: And then a day or two after that, Miss Somarco,
Speaker 2: she's the coroner here in Hamilton County, she comes out,
Speaker 2: apparently they have for research, they've done study, they look
Speaker 2: into che tech I guess whatever biological pieces in parts
Speaker 2: of samples that they had that were still viable, and
Speaker 2: then apparently there's no hepatitis shown. Now a defense council
Speaker 2: says that's wrong. Of course, they're defending their client. So
Speaker 2: I would like to just have an experienced criminal counselor
Speaker 2: on who's been on the side both sides effectively of
Speaker 2: this type of circumstance to say, one, we don't want
Speaker 2: anybody railroaded. I think that's clear. No one should be
Speaker 2: put away and due time for a crime they didn't commit.
Speaker 2: On the other side of it, you want someone who's
Speaker 2: culpable to be held accountable in some type of justice
Speaker 2: for someone who can't speak for themselves and their family
Speaker 2: members who died at the hand of another in a
Speaker 2: brutal fashion. So we'll get into Mark Crumbine's brain about
Speaker 2: this case and maybe how many people could be locked
Speaker 2: up who shouldn't be, and maybe sometimes how people get
Speaker 2: away with stuff that they should not because they actually
Speaker 2: did cause harm to another. I guess you work the
Speaker 2: system in some cases, or you don't have what you
Speaker 2: need to get a conviction when it comes to evidence.
Speaker 2: So Mark Crumbine joins me after your ten o'clock report
Speaker 2: the latest on what's going on around the tri State
Speaker 2: and the planet Earth that matters to us. Here on
Speaker 2: a Monday night, Sterling, where the Hooda got a big
Speaker 2: win over the fish in a game that arguably didn't
Speaker 2: matter yesterday, and they got three more to go, and
Speaker 2: they're reds who will be in the desert in just
Speaker 2: a matter of weeks. Here the Nation Station seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: Here we are.
Speaker 2: It's a fine Monday night, sterling hanging out. Hope you're
Speaker 2: doing okay. The holidays are upon them. Hope you and
Speaker 2: yours are enjoying yourself. A lot of people already on
Speaker 2: the road getting where they're going. And the idea of
Speaker 2: being able to freely travel and to get around and
Speaker 2: to visit family this time of year especially, I think
Speaker 2: hits close to home. And for the better part of
Speaker 2: thirty thirty five years, give or take the Nathan family
Speaker 2: after the loss of RhoD and Nathan as she was
Speaker 2: brutally beaten in a hotel room in Blue Ash, it
Speaker 2: didn't leave a whole lot for them to celebrate over
Speaker 2: well decades now, frankly and looking for closure and murder.
Speaker 2: Police in Cincinnati or Blue Ash, and across the country
Speaker 2: for that matter, Planet Earth do their best to speak
Speaker 2: for those who can't to get justice, to get retribution
Speaker 2: for one of a better way to describe it, For
Speaker 2: those who are responsible for the pain the suffering and
Speaker 2: the lives taken of people who have been murdered. And
Speaker 2: in the midst of this was a guy who worked
Speaker 2: at this same hotel, Elwood Jones, who with circumstantial evidence,
Speaker 2: the law enforcement was able to find their way effectively
Speaker 2: to a prosecution. As I understand it, and the whole way,
Speaker 2: mister Jones had said that he was not guilty. Many
Speaker 2: people do. In fact, prisons are filled with people who
Speaker 2: say that they're in a A lot of people came
Speaker 2: to his defense over these last three decades, and basically
Speaker 2: there was an overturning of some of that process and
Speaker 2: saying now that he can't be retried for it, and
Speaker 2: some of it was it was circumstantial. They did not
Speaker 2: have DNA, there was a hepatitis question, and just in
Speaker 2: the last week or so, it was the idea of
Speaker 2: him not having to deal with another prosecution and Joe
Speaker 2: Deaters came out.
Speaker 3: It was a part of the prosecutor's office.
Speaker 2: I think he may have been the DA at the
Speaker 2: time here in Hamilton County who was behind the conviction
Speaker 2: at this point, said that what had been discussed was
Speaker 2: not legitimate, that they had more than enough evidence and
Speaker 2: it was a legitimate, upstanding prosecution and conviction as I
Speaker 2: understand it, his defense council says. Otherwise, as we are
Speaker 2: now here, Coroner Somarco in Hamilton County comes out today.
Speaker 2: You heard her here on the Big One even talking
Speaker 2: about the fact that they did more testing there is
Speaker 2: no hepatitis, so that the idea that there had been hepatitis,
Speaker 2: and that the accused in this case, Owood Jones, would
Speaker 2: not have been able to have committed this act without
Speaker 2: finding himself exposed to an in fact, showing then some
Speaker 2: type of positive sign for it was his way out
Speaker 2: of being culpable. Kind of have to give us some
Speaker 2: time who was dealt with more than his handful of
Speaker 2: cases and defense of those who were facing death penalty,
Speaker 2: capital murder cases or otherwise and been around in the
Speaker 2: Tri State for quite a while doing this kind enough
Speaker 2: to take my call and to show up in person
Speaker 2: to talk about this as a criminal defense counsel Mark Crumbine,
Speaker 2: Welcome back to seven hundred w welw, how are you
Speaker 2: and happy holiday?
Speaker 6: Oh thank you Shary. It's so great to be here
Speaker 6: and so great to see again. Thank you for having
Speaker 6: me here tonight.
Speaker 2: How irregular is this case. This is a high profile case,
Speaker 2: and I think anyone of any reasonable rational mind would say,
Speaker 2: we want someone who is responsible for taking another's life
Speaker 2: or causing another's harm, let alone property damage, but the
Speaker 2: loss of life to be held accountable and to be
Speaker 2: taken away and no longer a life, to playing the
Speaker 2: big sandbox of life, or in some cases maybe execution
Speaker 2: because we are a death penalty state. How often do
Speaker 2: we see a case like this where they're convicted and
Speaker 2: then they say, hey, subsequently there's no evidence. How often
Speaker 2: because that's just the first part of.
Speaker 6: This, Well, that's extremely unusual, and I don't think you know.
Speaker 6: A couple of things I want to point out. Sometimes
Speaker 6: people say, well, it's just a circumstantial evidence case, but
Speaker 6: that there are a lot of cases that are circumstantial evidence.
Speaker 6: That doesn't mean it's a good case or a bad case.
Speaker 6: It just means that there's probably not an eyewitness, and
Speaker 6: there aren't a lot of murders and things where there
Speaker 6: are actually eyewitnesses. Otherwise there wouldn't be a lot of
Speaker 6: trials if somebody saw it. So a lot of cases
Speaker 6: go to trial. Circumstantial cases they could be great prosecution cases.
Speaker 7: They could be very weak.
Speaker 6: And then also I don't think necessarily anyone saying that
Speaker 6: there's no evidence here against mister j Ownes. There was
Speaker 6: some evidence, but apparently not sufficient evidence, and that doesn't
Speaker 6: tell you certainly whether he did or didn't do it.
Speaker 6: At this point, the case is the charges have been dismissed.
Speaker 6: And again that gets to another concept. You can't prove Typically,
Speaker 6: you cannot prove that you're not guilty when you if
Speaker 6: you ever say that as a defense attorney, that could
Speaker 6: be the end of your career. You can't prove it.
Speaker 6: I mean, nobody can really prove they're innocent. And there
Speaker 6: really is not an expectation in the Constitution of the
Speaker 6: United States.
Speaker 7: That we have to do that. We don't have to
Speaker 7: do that.
Speaker 2: That's up to the prosecution to prove that you're guilty
Speaker 2: beyond a reasonable doubt. And the question here is is
Speaker 2: there a reasonable doubt? And initially with this that they
Speaker 2: felt that it was enough there to beyond a reasonable
Speaker 2: doubt put him away.
Speaker 6: Correct, Well, the jury thought that, yes, correct, yes, And
Speaker 6: the jury thought that and that you know that doesn't
Speaker 6: this is you know, my understanding. I don't think there's
Speaker 6: you know, sometimes there will be a case where they'll say,
Speaker 6: factually a court will decide that later on that the
Speaker 6: persons didn't do it, for sure did But those are
Speaker 6: so rare, they're like you can kind of on one hand.
Speaker 6: Typically it's either not guilty at trial, or maybe if
Speaker 6: you're found guilty it's thrown out. But that doesn't mean
Speaker 6: there's some evidence, doesn't mean you did it. I mean, frankly,
Speaker 6: you could be found guilty and still not have done it.
Speaker 6: Of course, sure that happens sometimes so and I believe
Speaker 6: that that's what mister Jones is saying.
Speaker 3: In a circumstance like this.
Speaker 2: Mare Crombine, criminal defense counsel, was Stirling seven hundred WLW
Speaker 2: talking about this horrible circumstance with Elwood Jones and the
Speaker 2: loss of life of wrote to Nathan, and I think
Speaker 2: sometimes in the midst of this conversation you think about
Speaker 2: the guy who may be locked away for the rest
Speaker 2: of his days or extended period, three decades, whatever it is,
Speaker 2: in losing their freedoms. But people often forget about there
Speaker 2: was a woman who was brutally murdered. Her family has
Speaker 2: had to navigate this and would like some closure. They
Speaker 2: felt like they had had that closure and then now
Speaker 2: here we are, this type of thing comes out and
Speaker 2: you have current prosecutor who says, you know, things are
Speaker 2: not as we thought they were. Previous prosecutor says, oh,
Speaker 2: yes they were. And the defense counsel is going to
Speaker 2: do what they do, which is try to protect and
Speaker 2: provide whatever they can in defense of their client to
Speaker 2: be able to get them back to freedom or at
Speaker 2: least change what they're obligated to be punished for. How
Speaker 2: often in what type of arguments? I mean, this is
Speaker 2: a weird thing prosecutor to prosecutor, right, especially forget about
Speaker 2: the fact go into the Supreme Court. But that carries
Speaker 2: another bit of weight. This is an odd case across
Speaker 2: the board, is it not?
Speaker 6: Absolutely? I mean, we have our new prosecutor, County Pillage.
Speaker 6: I believe she's saying, you know, she was talking about
Speaker 6: how the test result was one thing. Mister Dieters the
Speaker 6: original prosecutor, county prosecutor in Henry County for decades, and
Speaker 6: you know he's saying, no, you know, he's seeing it
Speaker 6: differently in this agreeing pretty strongly with Countye Pillage.
Speaker 7: Very unusual.
Speaker 2: As you look at this in the time that you've
Speaker 2: you've studied it, and it gets weird and murky water.
Speaker 2: I suppose from someone in your position to maybe touch
Speaker 2: too deep into this. But from what you've seen and
Speaker 2: from what you've heard, is you assessed this. Where do
Speaker 2: you see their truth to be? Well, it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: defense or prosecution.
Speaker 6: Sure it matters, but you know it's really I mean,
Speaker 6: I haven't this is a new development. I haven't really
Speaker 6: I haven't been able to study it that much. It
Speaker 6: just came out, sure, But you know, I see I
Speaker 6: think what it sort of boils down to is originally
Speaker 6: and I could be wrong in some of these facts.
Speaker 6: I can remember the original case, but you know, I
Speaker 6: think the original part of the original theory was that
Speaker 6: Missus Nathan, the person the woman that was killed supposedly
Speaker 6: the corner, not supposedly the corner back then, not latch me.
Speaker 6: So Marco said that Missus Nathan had hepatitis bright okay,
Speaker 6: which is very contagious. Okay. But then the the back
Speaker 6: then even they said that Elwood Jones did not have it,
Speaker 6: but he supposedly could have been was bitten by her
Speaker 6: and this and that that's the prosecution's case back then,
Speaker 6: that was just part of the case though, so that
Speaker 6: I think there was a significant factor. And now the
Speaker 6: county prosecutor watched me. So Marco is saying, well, I
Speaker 6: reviewed it. I looked at the microscopic evidence that you know,
Speaker 6: the it's left, and I see that there is no
Speaker 6: inflammation in the liver and that indicates no hepatitis. So
Speaker 6: he's saying, missus, Nathan did not have hepatitis then, And
Speaker 6: she said, is that the corner back then made a
Speaker 6: human error and thought that she had it right. So
Speaker 6: I think back then, and this is the part I
Speaker 6: gotta be careful, but I'm not one hundred percent sure,
Speaker 6: but I think back then they said that Nathan Jones
Speaker 6: did not have hepatitis correct, so so and they said,
Speaker 6: so that was maybe I guess that would be part
Speaker 6: of his defense back then. But now they're saying, well
Speaker 6: that that doesn't matter because she didn't have it either.
Speaker 6: So if if she beat him, why would he have
Speaker 6: it right? But there's still other evidence that was brought
Speaker 6: up and it doesn't mean that it's that it's damning there.
Speaker 6: You know, they were claiming that I think some bite
Speaker 6: marks matched. I hope I'm not kidding these cases mixed up.
Speaker 2: I don't know how many people are bitten on a
Speaker 2: regular basis, but I mean, you have someone who have
Speaker 2: apparently bit someone in the midst of a horrible beating,
Speaker 2: and then you have a guy who allegedly had a
Speaker 2: bite on them right.
Speaker 6: Well, but you know that science has changed over the
Speaker 6: years a lot. Yeah, and so you know, they I
Speaker 6: think back then, if I have the right case, they
Speaker 6: were saying that it matched. But now they're seeing that
Speaker 6: science isn't that good, and I don't know if they
Speaker 6: can still.
Speaker 7: I don't know if they could tell.
Speaker 6: Back then, for sure they thought they could that it
Speaker 6: was even a bite mark. Maybe it's something else. And
Speaker 6: then you know, there's some other evidence.
Speaker 7: Back then they said that.
Speaker 6: You know, a unique item of jewelry was found in
Speaker 6: Elwood Jones trunk and it must have been it was
Speaker 6: from the victim.
Speaker 3: That it was custom made or something cestimde.
Speaker 6: But then there were allegations that it was planted there
Speaker 6: by the police officer. But now the police officer has
Speaker 6: passed away, so then that leaves you in the lurch there.
Speaker 2: They're also been talking if I'm not mistaken Mark Crumb
Speaker 2: by Criminal Defensive attorney was Sterling on the big one
Speaker 2: talking about this Elwo Jones case, and it was horrible
Speaker 2: murder situation and now and it's effective. Is it an
Speaker 2: overturned case. That's the other thing that's kind of weird
Speaker 2: in how this plays out, because they said he couldn't
Speaker 2: be charged or at least retried.
Speaker 3: But and you mentioned the jewelry.
Speaker 2: They said that it apparently was calm found in New York,
Speaker 2: which then says sort of takes away that as being
Speaker 2: religid evidence. But they had a stack of other bits
Speaker 2: and pieces of stuff that put pieces that they said, look,
Speaker 2: here's the guy, he was there, he did this.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think there was I better be really careful.
Speaker 3: I don't want to put in a bad spot.
Speaker 7: Well, I just want to be careful.
Speaker 2: I don't want to get in trouble. Either you've got
Speaker 2: I'm in a world or heard. If I get in trouble,
Speaker 2: you've got experienced, license licensed.
Speaker 6: But there's something about some infection, not just hepatitis, but
Speaker 6: some type of infection from the so called bite.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I can't remember the details of that, yeah, or the
Speaker 6: accuracy of it. And then there was something about you know,
Speaker 6: supposedly she got hit with a radio like he had,
Speaker 6: and there was a mark from the radio on her body.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of other stuff too, But you know,
Speaker 6: I think part of it, I guess, is that you know,
Speaker 6: that's circumstantial evidence. It could be true, it could be false,
Speaker 6: it could be accurate, it could be inaccurate. You know,
Speaker 6: you've got you know, sit uh forensic people on one side,
Speaker 6: you know, analyzing it. Obviously, the state's going to use
Speaker 6: who they think supports their theory of the case, and
Speaker 6: the defense will try to find somebody that can counter it.
Speaker 6: And and by the way, it just points out there
Speaker 6: it may not be like you may never be able
Speaker 6: to show truthfully or not. Some things are not discernible.
Speaker 6: They're just not, I mean not everything is a scientific thing,
Speaker 6: a perfect scientific thing, So you know, it's not in
Speaker 6: a lot of most cases are really the totality. And
Speaker 6: the prosecutors like to use this phrase. I've been a prosecutor,
Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying. You've done them both scientific sides. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, they like to say totality of the circumstances,
Speaker 6: you know, and that's really true, Like if you looked
Speaker 6: at one little part you'd say, well, that doesn't mean it,
Speaker 6: that doesn't mean it. But if you look at everything,
Speaker 6: well maybe that's enough. Maybe that's enough to prove beyond
Speaker 6: a reasonable doubt. That's what you have to have. So
Speaker 6: you know, some people they look at these cases for years,
Speaker 6: for one hundred years. You know, some famous cases, Jack
Speaker 6: the Ripper and all this stuff. Sometimes it's never going
Speaker 6: to be clear, and somebody has to decide. It's got
Speaker 6: to be a jury or a judge typically, and they're
Speaker 6: making a decision. They could be right, they could be wrong.
Speaker 6: That is the nature of human beings. That's our system.
Speaker 6: That's our system. And we always hope, you know, whether
Speaker 6: you're a prosecutor or defense attorney, you always hope the
Speaker 6: real truth will come out. Now that you know, your
Speaker 6: job as a defense attorney is a total advocate, you're
Speaker 6: not worried about you can't worry about what should be because.
Speaker 7: You don't really know.
Speaker 6: People think as a defense attorney, this might be interesting
Speaker 6: for some people. They think that as a defense attorney,
Speaker 6: you know for sure what happened.
Speaker 2: Right, do you want to know before you finish your thought?
Speaker 2: Like it's say, for instance, God forbid, let I don't
Speaker 2: even want to put anybody's name in it. If you
Speaker 2: have someone standing over here who's been charged with a
Speaker 2: horrific crime and they're like you, like, do you want
Speaker 2: to know if they really did it when they call
Speaker 2: you to defend them? Or do you do you not
Speaker 2: want to know and just try to defend them with
Speaker 2: whatever you can.
Speaker 7: Well, you need what you need to do as a
Speaker 7: defense attorney.
Speaker 6: I found this earlier early on, is you need to
Speaker 6: look at the case and say, don't waste your time
Speaker 6: trying to form an opinion, because you might be right
Speaker 6: or you might be wrong. It doesn't matter believe it
Speaker 6: or not. For your job, you have to try the
Speaker 6: best you can, and deep inside, as a human being,
Speaker 6: you're hoping that that the truth comes out.
Speaker 7: You really are, but you're not.
Speaker 6: But if you make like, for instance, early on in
Speaker 6: the case, I thought I had a guy as really
Speaker 6: Early on, I thought, man, this sounds so bad. This
Speaker 6: guy probably did it, which is a dangerous thought as
Speaker 6: a criminal defense attorney. But sometimes you're like you listen
Speaker 6: and you're like, oh my gosh. But then by the
Speaker 6: time I tried the case, I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 6: this guy, I mean, is innocent for sure.
Speaker 2: Have you ever been fooled? Do you think or somebody
Speaker 2: you found you got to off? For one of a
Speaker 2: better way to describe it. They're found not guilty, then
Speaker 2: subsequently they look at you with a little smirk and
Speaker 2: a wink, and you're like, oh, hell no, no.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not saying I couldn't have, but usually
Speaker 6: I'm pretty comfortable with what happens.
Speaker 7: Sure that helps, you know I am. I mean, I
Speaker 7: would you know?
Speaker 6: And like I said early on, that the one case
Speaker 6: I can think of that really changed my whole career
Speaker 6: about how I felt about things, what I wanted to
Speaker 6: do for the rest of my life. I had a
Speaker 6: guy that sounded so guilty, and everybody kept telling me
Speaker 6: and it seemed like he was. And I shouldn't have
Speaker 6: bothered forming an opinion because by the end of it,
Speaker 6: when I saw that the verdict came back and even
Speaker 6: the policeman came up and shook my hand and said,
Speaker 6: you were right. He goes, you were right, but that
Speaker 6: guy didn't do it. He told me who he thought
Speaker 6: did it, and I was like amazed because I didn't
Speaker 6: even figure it out. But I didn't have to figure
Speaker 6: it out. That wasn't your job, and it shouldn't be
Speaker 6: my job.
Speaker 2: Now here, that goes to something else more crumbined criminal
Speaker 2: defense attorney was Stirling on the big one. So the
Speaker 2: other side of it, because you were a prosecutor and
Speaker 2: we see it, and I know TV is not always real,
Speaker 2: you know, even the procedurals like first forty eight, which
Speaker 2: they have shot a lot of those early on here
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, and it's fun to watch. And none of
Speaker 2: them ever say I want my lawyer, which is bewildering.
Speaker 2: But the first thing if a cop gets in trouble
Speaker 2: is they want they want their their defense counsel that
Speaker 2: comes hopefully from their union. So if they're not going
Speaker 2: to answer questions and they want counsel, by god, if
Speaker 2: you get in trouble, you better find somebody to protect you.
Speaker 6: Yes, And they even have special rules because they the
Speaker 6: rules are for their union. They have to get two
Speaker 6: days before their question something like that. They have special
Speaker 6: rules through their union for the police.
Speaker 2: We should all have that. Yeah, now here's the other side.
Speaker 2: I agree because I've had I know people in law enforcement.
Speaker 2: I've known people have been prosecutors actively and otherwise. And
Speaker 2: now you here Mark Crumbine. So, and we only have
Speaker 2: about two and a half minutes, so this is difficult.
Speaker 2: But I in a prosecutory investigation situation as well as
Speaker 2: with law enforcement, you may think somebody is guilty, but
Speaker 2: you don't. You want to go after the evidence. It's
Speaker 2: first to find who you're pointing at, rather than pointing
Speaker 2: the finger and then finding the evidence. Because I've heard
Speaker 2: conversation on both sides of that from people in that business.
Speaker 6: Yes, well, as a prosecutor, there's no doubt. By the
Speaker 6: rules of ethics. As an attorney and everything, you have
Speaker 6: a duty to be fair. So you have to look
Speaker 6: at it. And if you think the person's not guilty
Speaker 6: or you're you can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that they're guilty,
Speaker 6: you have to say, hey, I'm not going to prosecute
Speaker 6: that person. That's just a general way rule of it.
Speaker 6: That's your decision. As a defense attorney, you're not like,
Speaker 6: you're not supposed to judge guilt or not guilt, guilty
Speaker 6: or not guilty. You just have to do the best
Speaker 6: you can. If your client tells you I didn't do it,
Speaker 6: that's what you need to know. And if you're not,
Speaker 6: if you don't go all the way and try as
Speaker 6: hard as you can. You will be failing that person
Speaker 6: and you will be failing the system. So it's different
Speaker 6: when you're a defense attorney than a prosecutor.
Speaker 2: Mark Crumbining criminal defense counsel Stirling seven hundred double lub.
Speaker 2: You know, let's take this back to this horrible case
Speaker 2: about Rhoda Nathan and know with Jones so outside looking in,
Speaker 2: this guy, as I understand, it cannot be tried for
Speaker 2: this again.
Speaker 3: Is that correct?
Speaker 7: Yes, with prejudice, that's what that means.
Speaker 2: So with prejudice, he can't be tried again. Now there's
Speaker 2: a question to say what initially had gotten that thrown
Speaker 2: in that direction was something that apparently may not be accurate.
Speaker 2: So then that does that mean that that case, that order,
Speaker 2: that decision should be nullified and not valid because or
Speaker 2: or is it because I mean, you either have hepatitis
Speaker 2: or you don't have hepatitis in the genetic matter that
Speaker 2: was tested, or am I out of the water?
Speaker 6: Well, I think and this is difficult for me. I
Speaker 6: don't know all the facts right, but you know, the
Speaker 6: hepatitis thing at the beginning was more in favor of
Speaker 6: the defendant correct. So the fact that it got thrown
Speaker 6: out anyway, even though there was appetitis thing against him
Speaker 6: would still be I think in favor of the defendantor Sterling,
Speaker 6: you're more logical than I.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't go so far as to say that, but
Speaker 2: it's just a horrible that you want justice for the
Speaker 2: family and for the woman who lost her life, Miss Nathan,
Speaker 2: of course, and you want you know, justice and penalty
Speaker 2: and punishment whatever you want to call it for the guilty,
Speaker 2: whether it's Elwood Jones or somebody else who maybe has
Speaker 2: been free all this time, and he was just in
Speaker 2: the bad you know, bad situation, wrong place, wrong time,
Speaker 2: bad history, and oddly some injuries that fit sort of
Speaker 2: in line with the way they put together this prosecution.
Speaker 2: It's tough final thoughts on how about anything in this
Speaker 2: or otherwise before I let you go.
Speaker 6: Well, it's really interesting and I think it shows something
Speaker 6: that that constantly happens, no matter how sophisticated in scientific things.
Speaker 7: In DNA.
Speaker 6: I had the first DNA murder test murder case in
Speaker 6: Cincinnati's history, by the way I tried it. Wow, And
Speaker 6: there was something that was that I pointed out without
Speaker 6: any scientific knowledge that came true within ten years.
Speaker 7: Well yeah, and.
Speaker 3: That makes you feel good that you didn't. There wasn't
Speaker 3: an up truck, right, And I argued it.
Speaker 6: But I lost anyway. But then my client's case was
Speaker 6: commuted by the governor later. Okay, but I figured it out.
Speaker 6: It's just a simple logical thing. You know, the testing
Speaker 6: would change, it will change, It will change ten years
Speaker 6: from now. Now, who would have predicted that, you know,
Speaker 6: the test results would be different for the hepatitis. I
Speaker 6: don't think anybody could have necessarily predicted that. But you know,
Speaker 6: I noticed one basic that drives me crazy, just as
Speaker 6: a logical semiological person, is they didn't have the names
Speaker 6: on the hepatitis, like the decisions like in nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 6: They didn't put so and so hepatitis so and so.
Speaker 6: They didn't even have that. They were using numbers. I'm like, ah,
Speaker 6: might not put the name. Okay, That's something I noticed
Speaker 6: that just as a logical thing.
Speaker 3: I We'll have to have you back because I could.
Speaker 4: I could.
Speaker 2: I mean, I have so many questions about this, and
Speaker 2: I think most people, and I know mister Waddell's like due,
Speaker 2: hurry up, and I'm sorry relate. Let me just say
Speaker 2: I appreciate what you do, Mark Crumbink, criminal defense counsel.
Speaker 2: I know you got a potential client you gotta meet
Speaker 2: after this, and we thank you for making time.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: And it's just a horrible case.
Speaker 2: I mean, you want the innocent to be free, the
Speaker 2: guilty to be punished and locked away in validation, in
Speaker 2: some type of retribution, if nothing, closure for a family
Speaker 2: of a victim of something like this. This is ugly
Speaker 2: all the way around.
Speaker 6: It's a very upsetting scenario. And there's no two ways
Speaker 6: about that.
Speaker 2: Thank you for talking. Thank you giving us your insight.
Speaker 2: That's Mark Crumbeine Sterling coming back, seven hundred WLW. I
Speaker 2: do love Session the Street as a kid man growing up,
Speaker 2: that was tremendous. I liked mister Rogers too, but I
Speaker 2: got to a certain point.
Speaker 3: I don't know what it was.
Speaker 2: I grew up beyond the mister Rodgers and he creeped
Speaker 2: me out a little bit. And then years later, with
Speaker 2: the niece's nephew, pseudo nieces nephews and so forth, they
Speaker 2: were into mister Rogers reruns. And then I started watching
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, I remember, and it made
Speaker 2: me feel good. He was like a good dude and
Speaker 2: even talking with the little train and the little people
Speaker 2: in the make believe world. But what really creeped me out?
Speaker 2: And I don't mean any just respect. And I love
Speaker 2: CET and I love PBS. So hear me out at
Speaker 2: Sterling by the way, hanging out on a Monday for
Speaker 2: Gary Jeff who was in on earlier holiday season. We're
Speaker 2: all mixed up. It's hard to even know what day
Speaker 2: it is, to be honest with you, Uh, but is
Speaker 2: we're here and we're enjoying ourselves and trying to have
Speaker 2: a good time, uh with the holidays and everything. It's
Speaker 2: it's just nice. Hopefully you're doing okay. Five point three
Speaker 2: seven four nine seven eight hundred the big one. We
Speaker 2: go open up the phones, give you a chance to
Speaker 2: get interactive, uh and see how the season is going
Speaker 2: and everything along with that.
Speaker 3: It's uh, it's good times.
Speaker 2: And I lost my train of thought thinking about mister
Speaker 2: Rogers and uh, you know, the back in the fold
Speaker 2: and embracing it and everything else. But I mean, it's
Speaker 2: just it's just good. I used to like the Electric
Speaker 2: Company with Morgan Freeman before he was the president and
Speaker 2: the voiceover for just about everything that was going on.
Speaker 2: I think he even voiced and played God at some point.
Speaker 2: I remember while watching him on the Electric Company too,
Speaker 2: which was always tremendous, and so forth five one, three, seven, nine,
Speaker 2: eight hundred the Big One James were Peene conversation with
Speaker 2: him talking Bengals, dolphins and the future of the hoode
Speaker 2: coming up after eleven o'clock. Uh so, yeah, there is
Speaker 2: that happening as well. So uh, since I derailed my
Speaker 2: own thought, which is difficult, I blame that on blundhead trauma.
Speaker 2: I want to bring something else up. And I've seen this.
Speaker 2: It happened once on the way in tonight and once
Speaker 2: over the weekend coming home, and then in the neighborhood
Speaker 2: walking the dog. A buddy of mine I noticed had
Speaker 2: done the same thing. And everybody's doing decorations for the
Speaker 2: season in different ways. A buddy of mine, his dog
Speaker 2: attacked his big inflatable like Frosty the Snowman. So then
Speaker 2: he changed it and it got what looks now like
Speaker 2: a big snow globe, and the dog is no longer
Speaker 2: allowed all the lead out front. I don't know if
Speaker 2: it was the blower in the frosty waving in the wind,
Speaker 2: but he was unnerved and attacked, I think, probably to
Speaker 2: protect his people, but it was not good for the snowman.
Speaker 2: It did not end well, ripped apart just a little bit.
Speaker 2: So it's just tough times. But what I don't understand,
Speaker 2: and I don't know if it's legal, but it's interesting.
Speaker 2: It is all these cars I have seen, and I
Speaker 2: don't know if they're selling a blanket wrap for vehicles
Speaker 2: with led Christmas lights right now. But driving down seventy
Speaker 2: one to get off here at Montgomery Road to do
Speaker 2: this show tonight, there was somebody in a white I
Speaker 2: couldn't tell. It was a low rider type of car
Speaker 2: as sort of a sports car. Thankfully, no bad weather.
Speaker 2: I mean it's nice and above freezing, and that's great.
Speaker 2: But I literally I thought, what is behind me? Is
Speaker 2: the motor passed? I'm not saying it was speeding or not.
Speaker 2: I can can neither confirm nor tonine. I don't want
Speaker 2: to get anybody in trouble, but I thought it was
Speaker 2: like Santa or something, and then I realized, no, it's
Speaker 2: just a car loaded with lights and it was I
Speaker 2: felt festive, I felt good all of a sudden, I
Speaker 2: felt warm and fuzzy inside. But then I was also like, man,
Speaker 2: how much time does that take? You see these vehicles
Speaker 2: in occasion. I used to see it a lot in
Speaker 2: and around Coryville in East want At Hills when I
Speaker 2: was living there. In and around Eton Park, there were
Speaker 2: a couple people that would put all these little weird
Speaker 2: knick knacks, like I assume they super glued them. I
Speaker 2: can't imagine they've belcrowed them to the hood of the
Speaker 2: car or the roof of the car, in the trunk
Speaker 2: of the vehicle, and they would travel around that way.
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's like an iceore. That's troubling. I kind
Speaker 2: of liked the led Christmas light thing, however, unlike the
Speaker 2: house where I don't have a problem with anybody keeping
Speaker 2: their lights on for as long as it is that
Speaker 2: it makes them happy to celebrate the holiday. I mean,
Speaker 2: they can be on now until New Year's. Maybe you
Speaker 2: switch to like a Valentine's colors, and then maybe you
Speaker 2: switch to Saint Patrick's Day colors, and maybe then you
Speaker 2: switch to well, well, I don't know, Opening Day Reds colors,
Speaker 2: and then in the summertime for Fourth of July, maybe
Speaker 2: you have lights that are red, white, and blue for
Speaker 2: well these United States of America and are twenty fifth
Speaker 2: or two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, I should say, which
Speaker 2: is coming up in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3: I see all those things, but on the road with those.
Speaker 2: Lights all the time, that it's almost a little too much,
Speaker 2: a little overwhelming. But it kind of made me feel good,
Speaker 2: just the same if I won three, seven, four, nine, seven,
Speaker 2: eight hundred, the big one. And speaking of holiday lights,
Speaker 2: because I know some people don't like it when their
Speaker 2: neighbors keep the lights on all the time, there's a story,
Speaker 2: and I want to say it is in California where
Speaker 2: some people have now gone to court and they're suing
Speaker 2: a neighbor because they had had lights on for Christmas.
Speaker 2: They apparently had kept festive lights on for much of
Speaker 2: the year, and not quite necessarily to the same extent
Speaker 2: that I just laid out in color configurations for different
Speaker 2: holidays throughout the seasons of the year. But their neighbors
Speaker 2: say they're too bright. The neighbors say that they're overwhelming,
Speaker 2: that it's psychological warfare, and effectively, now that they're going
Speaker 2: back and forth on it, and I saw an interview
Speaker 2: earlier this afternoon with this couple, and this woman is
Speaker 2: literally in tears upset because she doesn't understand why anybody
Speaker 2: would have a problem with the Christmas lights or any
Speaker 2: of the other lights just in general. And I suppose
Speaker 2: there is a very subtle line between becoming a nuisance
Speaker 2: and an eyesore and some type of problem, because they
Speaker 2: would even do it, apparently for Halloween with lights and
Speaker 2: big stuff. And I've seen the big skeletons that are
Speaker 2: like ten feet tall, maybe eight foot tall at least.
Speaker 2: I mean I'm six foot plus, and I've seen some
Speaker 2: that are taller than that. And they have dressed the
Speaker 2: skeletons in like Santa outfits, which I find to be
Speaker 2: a black But I don't know where that line is overall,
Speaker 2: as long as it's not becoming a sound annoyance, as
Speaker 2: long as it's not it lit up like the sun
Speaker 2: to where it's you know, bleeding through your you know,
Speaker 2: blackout curtains or otherwise, I say, embrace the season, Christmas, Hanka, Kwanza,
Speaker 2: whatever it is, Bring on Valentine's Day, Saint Patrick's Day,
Speaker 2: fourth of July. There's probably some others I can't think of.
Speaker 2: In between, but either way, it's it's good times. I'm
Speaker 2: looking at Monday Night football in the Red Panda doing
Speaker 2: this halftime show, which is pretty wild. It looks like
Speaker 2: on a unicycle, which unless you've gone to clown school,
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of people who were able to
Speaker 2: get around on a unicycle, let alone throw like flatware
Speaker 2: and dishes and so forth. But she was doing it,
Speaker 2: and she's of course in Indianapolis where the forty nine
Speaker 2: ers are leading the Colts thirty four to twenty seven
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter now as the forty nine er,
Speaker 2: so just taking a kickoff. I'm not doing play by play.
Speaker 2: I'm just giving you an update if you're driving around
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what's going on with the Monday
Speaker 2: Night football. James Repene going to join me after the
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock report. We'll talk on Bengals, how their Sunday went,
Speaker 2: how these next couple of weeks will go for them,
Speaker 2: and what it means for twenty twenty six for your
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Football Bengals. That's coming up after the eleven o'clock report.
Speaker 2: I'm not done yet. There's more to do here on
Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW. Glad you're alone, Sterling hanging out. Gary
Speaker 2: Jeff was on earlier.
Speaker 3: I'm here now. Holidays.
Speaker 2: Everybody's different places, different times on the road, they say,
Speaker 2: record numbers of people trying to get where they have
Speaker 2: to go over the hills and far away to Grandma's
Speaker 2: house or wherever else for Christmas or Hanka Klans or
Speaker 2: whatever you're into, maybe just a vacation. I have friends
Speaker 2: sending me text with pictures of iguanas climbing trees and
Speaker 2: Marco Island, Florida. James Rapine headed home from Miami after
Speaker 2: checking out the Bengals and the dolphins getting it on
Speaker 2: down there, and the Bengals get a big dominating abuse
Speaker 2: of wind for those fish, which, by the way, it's
Speaker 2: like a mammal, right, it's not really a fish, but
Speaker 2: they do swim in the sea, and I like a dolphin,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It was really warm there yesterday,
Speaker 2: but I was glad to see the who Day wins
Speaker 2: well to pick on James Rapine in his brain about
Speaker 2: what's coming on after the eleven o'clock report conversation with
Speaker 2: him I had, and then some other stuff. So wherever
Speaker 2: you're going, in whatever you're doing, I hope it's good,
Speaker 2: I know it could make it a whole lot better.
Speaker 2: About three minutes and fifty seconds away from right about
Speaker 2: now for the next drawing of the power Ball. If
Speaker 2: you're keeping score at home, it is one billion, six
Speaker 2: hundred million dollars in the fool On jackpot, which is
Speaker 2: paid out as an annuity over like twenty or thirty
Speaker 2: years or whatever it is, or you could get the
Speaker 2: cash out value and then taxes after taken out. That
Speaker 2: amount is a staggering to me, seven hundred thirty five million,
Speaker 2: three hundred thousand dollars. And that's still just an estimate
Speaker 2: because there's still money. It's being worked out fast carry
Speaker 2: outs and drive throughs and wherever else you get tickets
Speaker 2: right now they're just printing them like there's nobody's business,
Speaker 2: so that number is possibly going to go up at
Speaker 2: this point. I have never won really anything, and I
Speaker 2: did not get to the tickets for this one, So
Speaker 2: in all honesty, I don't mean this disrespectfully. I would
Speaker 2: like for you to do well in your life. I
Speaker 2: would love for you to be able to win. Joe Waddell,
Speaker 2: I appreciate you and everything you do. I'm not trying
Speaker 2: to weasel out any money if you actually cash in
Speaker 2: and the big money. But all I'm saying is I
Speaker 2: would like to be able to get into the next drawing.
Speaker 2: So if you don't win, now, that's fine with me.
Speaker 2: But you know, even the regular measily just start over,
Speaker 2: begin again. Number is enough for most normal, reasonable, rational
Speaker 2: human beings effectively lived the rest of their lives without
Speaker 2: much of a worry. And time and time again, what
Speaker 2: is amazing to me? And until I guess you've walked
Speaker 2: in another shoe, it's hard to necessarily like judge or
Speaker 2: at least make sense of a circumstance. But the numbers
Speaker 2: are outrageous of people who have won fat, historically large jackpots.
Speaker 2: And I don't know about internationally, like over in the
Speaker 2: UK and other places they have big lotteries, but I
Speaker 2: know in the United States the number, I mean, it's
Speaker 2: easily beyond like sixty percent of people who cash out big,
Speaker 2: they end up often in worse financial situations after the
Speaker 2: money is won, which I can't process how that could happen.
Speaker 2: I mean, you would have to work really hard to
Speaker 2: spend that kind of money. And the only thing I
Speaker 2: can think of is if you don't have anonymity, you
Speaker 2: get overwhelmed by beggars and hangers on and leeches and
Speaker 2: sucubus and people trying to just like termites, just suck
Speaker 2: out every bit of money they can from you, or
Speaker 2: people just don't know how to live within your meanings.
Speaker 2: And even if it was only a third of the
Speaker 2: seven hundred and thirty five million dollars, you're still talking
Speaker 2: what two hundred and twenty five two hundred and fifteen
Speaker 2: million dollars. Even if you just lived off this simple interest,
Speaker 2: if you spread that around, if it was just something
Speaker 2: ridiculous like all of two or three percent, right, I
Speaker 2: mean you would have to struggle. I would have to struggle.
Speaker 2: I can't process helping charity after charity, Cincinnati Animal Care
Speaker 2: rescues for animals, you know, at risk kids, families issues,
Speaker 2: and give people you know the weight off their shoulders.
Speaker 2: I mean, after you even did all that I just described,
Speaker 2: there'd be a fortune left. So hopefully if you win,
Speaker 2: you do not become a cautionary tale and someone that
Speaker 2: later on, I try to, like quismically, try to make
Speaker 2: sense of how the circumstance didn't bode well for you.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people probably are just quietly
Speaker 2: you keep the anonymity. I don't think I would tell anyone,
Speaker 2: I really don't. I mean I would get counsel, I
Speaker 2: would get a good CPA, and I would just I
Speaker 2: don't think I would changed the way I live or
Speaker 2: what I do.
Speaker 3: I'd still show up.
Speaker 2: Here to do this, which is maybe crazy, but I
Speaker 2: mean it's something I love to do, and I mean
Speaker 2: that would be effectively, officially what you would call few money, right, Like,
Speaker 2: for any particular reason you did not want to deal
Speaker 2: with anything you didn't want to deal with, you could go, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not bothered by that, I'm through with it, and
Speaker 2: then you could just comfortably, quietly just get up and
Speaker 2: walk away, which is probably a big weight off your shoulders,
Speaker 2: because what they say is people worrying about stress of
Speaker 2: money and you know, finances and the future and health
Speaker 2: care cost and everything else is as bad in the
Speaker 2: way it affects people who are on the lower end
Speaker 2: of that scale, where desperation and unsure you know, outcomes
Speaker 2: with those things are concerned. It's just as bad as
Speaker 2: somebody having a history of heart problems and major health
Speaker 2: issues genetically predisposed. So there is a lot of stress
Speaker 2: about where the food's gonna come from, and the roof
Speaker 2: over your head, and the shoes on your kids feet
Speaker 2: and everything. And I would think a billion, six hundred
Speaker 2: million dollars would probably cover that worry for the rest
Speaker 2: of your days and probably generation after generation after that,
Speaker 2: at least, I would hope. So so good luck to you.
Speaker 2: We'll let you know what those numbers are post haste.
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Speaker 2: if it's Brady Hopkins, but one of them will be
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Speaker 2: It's the Monday after Sterling hanging out seven hundred wy
Speaker 2: W from parts unknown, something money and warmer than your
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Speaker 2: of course locked on Bengals Cincinnati Bengals talk enter the Jungle,
Speaker 2: which I think in time for Christmas is still available.
Speaker 2: You're still in the warm What is going on?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm living it up, starling every ounce of warmth
Speaker 8: I can get.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take no doubt.
Speaker 2: I respect and admire that I want to talk about
Speaker 2: this whiplash weather, but it also is a whiplash Bengals
Speaker 2: team from being shut out by the Ravens to going
Speaker 2: into the Dolphins place in Miami with a rookie quarterback,
Speaker 2: and really especially the second half, it seems like they
Speaker 2: just put on a clinic like they were doing what
Speaker 2: you would have expected this Bengals team to do most
Speaker 2: of the season.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's I think there's certainly somewhat could have
Speaker 8: been when it comes to watching that offense and Bo
Speaker 8: Burrow and Jamar Chase and you know, all of the weapons,
Speaker 8: and I think that's it is. T Higgins has battled
Speaker 8: the concussion symptoms and everything that he's had.
Speaker 1: Well when he was out there, you know, with Jamar
Speaker 1: and Joe, you're.
Speaker 8: Like, oh man, these guys they're just so good, they're
Speaker 8: so special. And you also saw a young defense that
Speaker 8: was opportunistic that forced some turnovers.
Speaker 1: You know, they forced that fumble, it didn't come to them.
Speaker 8: They vetted a pass in the air to force that
Speaker 8: second interception, they get off the field on fourth and short, like,
Speaker 8: those are big plays that they do deserve credit for,
Speaker 8: but it does feel hollow because they improved a five
Speaker 8: and ten, right, and that's that's just not where we expected.
Speaker 8: That's certainly not where I expected this team to be,
Speaker 8: and they didn't expect to be there either, And so
Speaker 8: I get the hollow feeling.
Speaker 1: And I also understand.
Speaker 8: How good it is to see them play the way
Speaker 8: they should have played for most of this season.
Speaker 2: I think No, I mean, I think that's about as
Speaker 2: great of an overview and a sad reality is what
Speaker 2: we're all getting. But Chase Brown, you know, scores three
Speaker 2: times the defense, like you mentioned, you know, a couple
Speaker 2: of what two three take three takeaways. Openly, I mean,
Speaker 2: that's huge and it is sort of for not but
Speaker 2: this is good for their psychology, right, and is it
Speaker 2: good for the fan?
Speaker 3: Base and this situation.
Speaker 2: I tell you, I felt a whole lot better yesterday
Speaker 2: afternoon and evening than I did a week ago and
Speaker 2: going into Christmas week. And I don't know why it should.
Speaker 2: It has nothing absolutely to do with me. I didn't play,
Speaker 2: I didn't win, but we all seem to walk differently
Speaker 2: when that team does well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, there's no doubt.
Speaker 8: I think that it has such an impact, and it
Speaker 8: has such an impact if we go like really high
Speaker 8: overview because we know how good they can be with
Speaker 8: Joe at quarterback. I was talking to someone before the
Speaker 8: game yesterday with the Dolphins, and I won't go any
Speaker 8: farther because I don't want to get.
Speaker 1: Him or her in trouble.
Speaker 8: Yes, but he's like, well, he's like, I can't believe
Speaker 8: I gave it away right away. But it's so hard
Speaker 8: to find that guy at quarterback. And so when you
Speaker 8: find it, you do have a little strut in your walk.
Speaker 8: You do feel a little more confident because you know
Speaker 8: you have a chance. And so as a as a city,
Speaker 8: and I think as a fan base, Bengals fans look
Speaker 8: at it and say, well, if we have Joe, we
Speaker 8: have a chance. And for the past three seasons, it
Speaker 8: hasn't really felt that way.
Speaker 1: It felt it's felt.
Speaker 8: Like they've wasted him, and so they need to figure
Speaker 8: that out in this offseason. And I think that's my
Speaker 8: big takeaway from Sunday.
Speaker 1: Is, Oh, Joe's still that guy. Jamar still that guy.
Speaker 1: He's still that guy.
Speaker 8: You can turn this around really fast when you have
Speaker 8: those dudes, because everyone else in the league wants those dudes.
Speaker 1: You have them, So it's up to the organization to
Speaker 1: turn it around.
Speaker 2: And a hurd Yeah, and that really is James Rapine
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Speaker 2: but I just because I think it's cool and I
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Speaker 3: Still, I'm not jealous at all.
Speaker 2: There's two games left, So do they go balls out
Speaker 2: to just do what they can against the Cardinals into
Speaker 2: the Browns or do you start seeing them work through
Speaker 2: some other things and see what else they have? Depth wise,
Speaker 2: is they try to figure out off season moves.
Speaker 8: No, I think I think they're one hundred percent going
Speaker 8: to push forward.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 8: They're already playing a lot of their young guys yea,
Speaker 8: And so it's not like there are a bunch of
Speaker 8: guys that are just unknowns.
Speaker 1: There are certain guys that I'd like to see more of.
Speaker 8: You know, you want mckimmy Jackson getting a bunch of
Speaker 8: snaps and to see what he can do. But talking
Speaker 8: about a second year defensive tackle, right there's not a
Speaker 8: former third round pick.
Speaker 1: There's not like a smar Stewart.
Speaker 8: Of course, he got to play him and he's healthy
Speaker 8: and hopefully that continues. But no, overall, like from a
Speaker 8: Joe Burrow Lamar Chase perspective, I think all those guys
Speaker 8: are going to play, and I think that this is
Speaker 8: going to be a team that pushes for that seven
Speaker 8: and ten mark, which again is going to feel hollow.
Speaker 8: And I think they are going to be fans that
Speaker 8: are disappointed that they put to that hard to get
Speaker 8: to seven and ten, and they very well could would
Speaker 8: not surprise me one bit if they handle business over
Speaker 8: the next couple of roots.
Speaker 2: James Rapine was sterling seven hundred WLW locked on Bengals
Speaker 2: talking Bengals, and of course a very nice trip for
Speaker 2: them to South Florida to take on the Marlins. And
Speaker 2: people were upset when I said the fish. I realize
Speaker 2: that it is not really a fish, the dolphin. It's
Speaker 2: a whole nother thing. It's a mammal. I guess it's
Speaker 2: got a blowhole. That's all I know. But that being said,
Speaker 2: we look at people really were effect they distrol for nothing,
Speaker 2: and I kind of enjoy it. But anyway, as you
Speaker 2: look at this and you see what the team is
Speaker 2: capable of, and you wonder, is it We've joked about
Speaker 2: it before, but I mean, did they bear Like do
Speaker 2: they build on a burial ground at pay Corps? And
Speaker 2: what was synergy Riverfront? Is there something beyond this? Because
Speaker 2: it seems like, well, if we could just get a
Speaker 2: better start, if you can just somehow keep the quarterback healthy.
Speaker 2: I mean, it is one thing after another. And I
Speaker 2: do realize that only a handful of teams actually get
Speaker 2: to the playoffs, and only a handful of teams get
Speaker 2: there regularly and get to the super Bowl regularly. But
Speaker 2: you want to a playoff caliber caliber football team, obviously,
Speaker 2: But it just seems like it's all you write this story,
Speaker 2: you go, really what happened?
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, the answer is yes, right. All off season
Speaker 8: it was the it was the oh, they got to
Speaker 8: start fast, or of course you do, you got to
Speaker 8: start past and they did. They started to and oh
Speaker 8: all right, well there's still fifteen more games.
Speaker 1: And what they need is they need.
Speaker 8: To understand that, yeah, their quarterback might get hurt. The
Speaker 8: world can't end. It got to be able to survive.
Speaker 8: As great as Joe is, you got to be able
Speaker 8: to survive without him. And so how do you build
Speaker 8: a roster that puts Joe in position to succeed and
Speaker 8: your Super Bowl contenders.
Speaker 1: With him and without him?
Speaker 8: You're a competent football team that can go four and
Speaker 8: five without him.
Speaker 1: Let's say he misses nine games again, which he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to. They don't want him to. Hopefully he doesn't, right.
Speaker 8: But going one in eight without Joe, like if they
Speaker 8: had just gone four and five under five hundred average team, right,
Speaker 8: it's completely different.
Speaker 3: And they're still they're still on the hunt.
Speaker 8: They probably win the division too, you know, because because
Speaker 8: some of these some of these games that were kind
Speaker 8: of up in the air would have felt different when
Speaker 8: Joe comes back, it just feels different.
Speaker 1: Everything everything would have changed.
Speaker 8: And so that's that's where I'm at is you need
Speaker 8: to have a competent team. That whether it's Joe Burrow
Speaker 8: or Joe Flacco or one of the other backups. I
Speaker 8: don't think it should be Jake Brownie be on record
Speaker 8: now and I like Jake, but I think we saw
Speaker 8: you know it just it can't work. So whoever that
Speaker 8: guy is at quarterback, if Joe goes gets hurt, the
Speaker 8: team around him needs to be good enough to be
Speaker 8: an average team, and the coaching around him, by the
Speaker 8: way they're coaching around him, needs to be good enough
Speaker 8: to be an average team. And that's up to the
Speaker 8: front office, the organization, ownership, all of the above to
Speaker 8: make sure they push the right buttons of the sawt
Speaker 8: season to get that.
Speaker 1: Part of it bout.
Speaker 2: James Rapine from Cincinnati Bengals talk with Sterling on the
Speaker 2: big one. We're short on time. I appreciate you making
Speaker 2: it a hanging out in South Florida. You're not like
Speaker 2: even at the beach or trying to get out of
Speaker 2: there to get back home. How fun is it? By
Speaker 2: the way, looking forward to coming back to the tri
Speaker 2: State and the cold.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, the cold part I'm not looking forward to.
Speaker 1: I am looking forward to being home. Yeah, but the
Speaker 1: cold element.
Speaker 8: If I could just bring home here, let's just say,
Speaker 8: I can say put it that way. Still, no move's
Speaker 8: coming anytime soon, but it is always tempting when you
Speaker 8: leave one of these tropical places.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're like, well let's go back to twenty degrees.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's art worried, but it'll be like fifty sixty.
Speaker 2: This Christmas week is weird. I'm sure we'll get punished
Speaker 2: for it. I'll take it all day, every day. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this defense. They've drafted a lot high picks for a while.
Speaker 2: Is it coaching? Is it them not being able to finish?
Speaker 2: Aside from how good they looked yesterday.
Speaker 1: It's it's a little bit of everything. I think they're young.
Speaker 8: I think that some of the draft picks that they're
Speaker 8: banking on weren't ready for the roles that they've been
Speaker 8: put in.
Speaker 1: But I go back to the off season and just.
Speaker 8: Not adding proven guys when you're any win now scenario.
Speaker 8: Rookies couldn't be able to walk in the starting zones,
Speaker 8: and that's what Demetrius Knight did. I mean he walked
Speaker 8: into one. And I'm not being mean to Demetrius. Barrett
Speaker 8: Carter essentially did too when they benched Logan Wilson. And
Speaker 8: so you're talking about two rookie linebackers, like you should
Speaker 8: have to earn your way onto the field. It should
Speaker 8: have to be hard to get into the starting lineup,
Speaker 8: and it just isn't. I mean, they're playing all their
Speaker 8: rookies right now, substantial time on defense. I mean they
Speaker 8: need any and everything, and so the hope would be
Speaker 8: that all this experience this season that they learned from
Speaker 8: it and can be building blocks moving forward. I do
Speaker 8: think Miles Murphy has been a right spot, like he's
Speaker 8: been a guy that has gotten more reps, has shown it.
Speaker 8: DJ Berner another one back, still another one. So there
Speaker 8: are some guys on defense that I think should start
Speaker 8: next year. But man oh man, do they need They
Speaker 8: need to add some proven talent this offseason. And I
Speaker 8: think that was their biggest mistake coming into this spear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, so, well, go get some boat drinks
Speaker 2: or whatever you can get before you hop on that plane.
Speaker 2: Tell you not to do that, Stay hydrated, and we'll
Speaker 2: look for your Christmas time and into the bank.
Speaker 3: Yeah they Yeah, well I.
Speaker 2: Don't know who they are that I've been told, you know,
Speaker 2: the alcohol in the air, you know, three miles up
Speaker 2: going five hundred miles an hour, Yeah, that it will
Speaker 2: suck the hydration right out your body.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, sitting here where I am looking
Speaker 2: outside going out, it seems really extraordinarily warm for the season.
Speaker 2: But watching and listening to that game yesterday and having
Speaker 2: it look like summertime, I think boat drinks are a
Speaker 2: mandatory thing.
Speaker 1: But that's just me.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I don't know, Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: So it's a Cardinals in town on Sunday, a couple
Speaker 2: of days after Christmas, and then of course the Browns
Speaker 2: come in after the new year. So we'll see how
Speaker 2: they go. You think they win both or or they
Speaker 2: go fifty to fifty on this or what, And then
Speaker 2: I'll let you go. Not that you're like the prognosticator,
Speaker 2: predictor or otherwise.
Speaker 1: But maybe I picked them to brush the Dolphins and
Speaker 1: they did that. Now I think you did it.
Speaker 8: I think they'll handle business against the Cardinals. The Browns
Speaker 8: is a real toss up, and I would consider. I
Speaker 8: would consider, especially if you beat the Cardinals kind of
Speaker 8: pulling things back in that Browns game.
Speaker 1: I don't think they will, but I would.
Speaker 8: Do you want Miles Garrett potentially coming after Jill Burrow
Speaker 8: for a sack record?
Speaker 1: Ok? I just don't really want to deal with those problems.
Speaker 1: But that's just me.
Speaker 2: So you put flack of it. Let him take a
Speaker 2: beating for a guy who's almost a senior citizen. I
Speaker 2: see how you are sling out.
Speaker 3: You kidding me? I mean there's not enough pads to
Speaker 3: keep me safe. I'm just saying.
Speaker 2: But I mean, if I could get the league minimum,
Speaker 2: sure even for the Lake minimum. Yeah, all right, sure,
Speaker 2: I mean check, I'm trying to get your paid.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad somebody is. James Rapine, thank you for
Speaker 2: looking out for me? My god, where have you been
Speaker 2: on my career?
Speaker 1: A lot? Don't say that now, wait till those hits happened.
Speaker 2: Well that's true, that's only it only takes one and
Speaker 2: I've already had a few concussions.
Speaker 3: I think it makes sense.
Speaker 2: I have fallen on my head off a piece of
Speaker 2: modern art on the Square A downtown, but that's another show.
Speaker 2: And another talk. Oh yeah, yeah, that's why I wear
Speaker 2: a lot of hats man literally and figuratively. James Rapine,
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Speaker 2: electronic copy if there is one.
Speaker 1: There's non electronic copy yet.
Speaker 8: If there is, maybe I'll have Sterling do the voice
Speaker 8: for it, because it certainly shouldn't beat me.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, you got to you gotta
Speaker 3: find voice. I appreciate you too.
Speaker 2: If I don't talk to you before you and have
Speaker 2: a fantastically Christmas time and we'll catch up sooner or later.
Speaker 2: And my best of the family rapeen this holiday.
Speaker 1: Thanks to appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Take care of yourself. I appreciate you too. That's James Forrapene.
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