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Speaker 2: It's a Monday sterling stepping in holiday week. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: holiday Christmas time in twenty six, I think is when

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Speaker 2: that starts. And in the news, which has gotten quite

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Speaker 2: us on that Elwood case where he was convicted of

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Speaker 2: And then they find that apparently there was no DNA

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Speaker 3: And then they go, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait.

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Speaker 2: A minute, there is no hepatitis as we initially had thought.

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Speaker 2: So now I scratch my head and go, so does

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Speaker 2: groundcover in James Rapine too. Holy crap, there's a lot

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Speaker 2: going on. But first to start, you may have heard

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Speaker 2: there is news about and there's tons of politics in

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Speaker 2: what matters to us here in the dry state, and

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Speaker 2: what matters to us is local stuff. And about election day,

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Speaker 2: which has been election days for some period of time

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Speaker 2: time where you could vote early. You can only vote once,

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Speaker 2: not often, no matter what anybody says, and you could

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Speaker 2: do mail in voting, and that's the case for a

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Speaker 2: lot of our military personnel around planet Earth, as well

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Speaker 2: as a lot of people in rural areas who have

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Speaker 2: of people who can't get off work. Today comes news

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Speaker 2: that a governor Dwine would like to have apparently a

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Speaker 2: vetoed a tightening up of rules surrounding when votes will

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Speaker 2: be counted and tabulated, meaning election night, with the s

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Speaker 2: still being allowed a four day grace period. I figured,

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Speaker 2: why not talk to someone who knows a little bit

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Speaker 2: about the politics of voting in history of it, former

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Speaker 2: head of political science at Writes State and Dayton. She

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Speaker 2: is a Cincinnati kid now professor Meredi, doctor Dona Schlehick.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to seven hundred WLW with Sterling.

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Speaker 3: How are you hi?

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Speaker 4: Sterling? Doing well?

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Speaker 5: And you're right, there is really never a slow news day,

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Speaker 5: is there not anymore?

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Speaker 2: It's like whiplash, And you know, days ago you would think, well,

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Speaker 2: this is clearly going to be a topic a You're like,

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Speaker 2: it's like months ago, some stuff has happened. So I

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Speaker 2: guess that's the nature of the world we're living in.

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Speaker 2: As far as this election thing in the vote deal.

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Speaker 2: Governor Dewin would like to have vetot it. He said

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Speaker 2: he could not what does this effectively mean when it

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Speaker 2: comes to people looking to cast their vote midterm elections

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Speaker 5: Well, I think the bottom line, you know, and I'm

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Speaker 5: so glad you wanted to talk about this to remind

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Speaker 5: people to be registered. And if you have to vote absentee,

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Speaker 5: if you're going to be traveling for work, you know,

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Speaker 5: you may be called to active duty, if you're in

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Speaker 5: absentee ballots. You've got to move your timeline up at

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Speaker 5: And I don't know about you, I don't have major

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Speaker 5: is why we had that grace here, right. He wants,

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Speaker 5: as Governor DeWine said, he wants every vote to be counted.

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Speaker 5: And I think most Americans would would agree with that sentiment. Ohio.

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Speaker 5: The slightest bill that they're trying to tighten up some

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Speaker 5: has found any systematic fraud anywhere in in the Ohio system,

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Speaker 5: and Ohio voters generally have a higher level of confidence

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Speaker 5: in the integrity of the elections that happen in our state.

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Speaker 5: But if you have to vote absentee, and Ohio is

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Speaker 5: still not going to go to online voting, so that

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Speaker 5: help us more sterling. We don't have to go into that,

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Speaker 5: but if you, for any reason think you may be

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Speaker 5: requesting an absentee ballance, get that thing filled out and

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Speaker 5: in the mail a week ahead of time. I admit

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Speaker 5: I'm genetically one of those people. I run a little early,

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Speaker 5: but if you really want it to be counted, if

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Speaker 5: we have a close race, We've got a couple of

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Speaker 5: may see Vivek Ramaswami and Amy acton the term that JD.

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Speaker 5: Vance left in the Senate. You know that seat now

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Speaker 5: has to be filled permanently. Maybe John Houstead and Shared

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Speaker 5: to be a couple of big and potentially very closely

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Speaker 5: contested races. Every vote will count, But that four day

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Speaker 5: grace period, the governor really wanted to make sure that

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Speaker 5: veterans serving overseas. Of course, it's always experienced problems with

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Speaker 5: their ballots arriving late. Of all the people who are

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Speaker 5: voting absentee, would you not want people on active duty

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Speaker 5: serving the country overseas to have their votes counted?

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Speaker 2: Is that rhetorical or are you actually asking me? Because

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Speaker 2: I got to say, yeah, of course their votes should count.

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Speaker 2: I think all of our votes should count too. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 2: let me reintroduce you. By the way, former head of

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Speaker 2: to doctor Donna Slick, with Sterling on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 2: The four d grace period historically has been for those

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Speaker 2: straggling votes that have been to be county that have

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Speaker 2: been mailed in or otherwise. Right, they've tightened up the

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Speaker 2: eighty eight and Ohio. Doctor Slick and you mentioned something

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Speaker 2: also interesting about the slowing down of the mail and

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Speaker 2: Dayton's hub that's not there anymore. In all that region

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Speaker 2: Some have argued that some of the changes to the

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Speaker 2: postal services functioning and processes have been deliberately slowed down

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Speaker 2: for something such as this. Do you buy into that

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Speaker 2: or is that paranoia and more of the you know,

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Speaker 5: Do you think, Oh, I was living and working in Dayton,

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Speaker 5: but it goes to Columbus yep, and then it gets

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Speaker 5: I have personally noticed the change since they closed that

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Speaker 5: You know, our Secretary of State they audit every election.

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Speaker 5: The level of fraud is small. They may also be

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Speaker 5: challenging people in terms of their citizenship. This could be

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Speaker 5: a very interesting year, especially if you haven't voted before

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Speaker 5: you know, it's an off year election, so the roles

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Speaker 5: will probably be smaller, but we want to encourage participation

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 5: And you know the governor was he was really reserved

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Speaker 5: about it. But there is there's a case pending in

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Speaker 5: another state, you know, to kill that four day grace period.

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Speaker 5: So the legislature sort of is ahead of the curve

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Speaker 5: on this one. But you know, the voting fraud is

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Speaker 5: so small, uh, if it will be tight, remember to

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Speaker 5: take your ID with you. That's also required if you're

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Speaker 5: voting in Ohio. But measures like this, uh, particular for people,

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Speaker 5: you know who maybe are on a rural route. What

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Speaker 5: if you're in a nursing home. What if if you're

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Speaker 5: students who are living away from home, they're you know

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Speaker 5: there these people have very valid reasons for needing an

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Speaker 5: absentee ballot process, but they're going to have to move

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Speaker 5: up the timeline. The burden is going to be on

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Speaker 5: the voter this time to make sure your vote is.

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Speaker 3: Counted doctor Flake.

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Speaker 2: Something that comes up regularly is to talk about it

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Speaker 2: and say, other countries where they will have a day

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Speaker 2: go on election day in some places obviously even longer

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Speaker 2: than our early voting that takes place at more of

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Speaker 2: it's pretty standard and a lot of places around the country.

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Speaker 2: Are there big problems systemically in other places around the

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Speaker 2: in a little bit more openness, or are we on

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Speaker 2: the right side of this? I mean, nobody wants impropriety,

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Speaker 5: All right, I mean it is you know, the integrity

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Speaker 4: You know, states that do.

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Speaker 5: Online voting show very high levels of compliance and an

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Speaker 5: absence of fraud. States that require voting. Countries we just

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Speaker 5: had an election in Chile, voting is mandatory. You may

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Speaker 5: get some time off, but you have to vote. So

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Speaker 5: the variation across how countries practice a synth uh we

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Speaker 5: I wish we could think of a you know, a

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Speaker 5: more direct way, perhaps to incentivize people a national holiday.

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Speaker 5: Uh that that that will be tricky in in times

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Speaker 5: like this because you know that's an expense for offices,

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Speaker 5: et cetera.

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Speaker 4: But it's it's been discussed.

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Speaker 5: For a long time. I don't think we're going to

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Speaker 5: see that one. I'm holding my breast at the legislature

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Speaker 5: will now move on to figure out how to fund

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Speaker 5: public education in Ohio. You know, wait, wait, waiting for

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Speaker 5: the for the big one to happen. But an online

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Speaker 5: voting would would address so many of these problems, you know,

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Speaker 5: particularly with the delays, three or four delays, it's very

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Speaker 5: rare for it to have changed the outcome of an election,

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Speaker 5: extremely rare. Ohio voters tend to be pretty confident, you know,

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Speaker 5: despite our public discourse that talks about stolen elections and fraud,

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Speaker 5: Ohio voters have an above average level of confidence. And

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Speaker 5: and I think you know, Frank LeRose is Secretary of State.

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Speaker 5: He's been auditing them as as is his job.

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Speaker 1: Traud.

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Speaker 5: You know, the audits just come out clean every time.

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Speaker 5: So we'll have a lower turnout. It's it's an off year,

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Speaker 5: but we're going to have some good races in Ohio,

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Speaker 5: and I'm I'm glad that on radio we can remind

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Speaker 5: people this is the rule has changed. And if you know,

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Speaker 5: if you have typically voted absentee, get it in early.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it is regime change.

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Speaker 5: Is there a good model of regime change that has

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Speaker 2: And the other interesting thing that we're out of time.

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Speaker 2: always great to get in your head talking voting, talking

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Speaker 2: you here, your perspective and insights. Former head of political

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Speaker 2: Dona Schleheck. Have yourself a great Christmas Honukah at Kwanta

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Speaker 2: the holiday the new Year.

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Speaker 3: We'll check in with again.

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Speaker 4: Soon Mary, Christmas.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, take care of yourself. More sterling coming back.

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Speaker 2: Joe Daniman Fox nineteen don't talk food day, whip me

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Speaker 3: Well, well, well it.

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Speaker 2: Was like Sazime Street easy good times in the summer

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Speaker 2: this Bengals team somehow looked a little closer to what

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Speaker 3: Your twenty five season so far.

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Speaker 2: Joe Daniman knows covers Bengals and everything else sports for

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Speaker 2: Fox nineteen, giving us some time. How are you, how's everything?

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Speaker 2: And how was the weekend? I know you did some

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Speaker 4: Too, Yes, the weekend was wonderful, getting a chance to

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Speaker 4: before watching the Bengals play on Sunday. And a Merry

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Speaker 4: Christmas to you. I hope you get to enjoy some.

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Speaker 3: Time off this week sot enjoy the holidays, Absolutely, you too.

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Speaker 3: What about this Bengals team?

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Speaker 2: All of a sudden, after what was a demoralizing shutout

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Speaker 2: The dolphin is what it is, and I hear it's

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Speaker 4: When you see what it looks like the Big three

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Speaker 4: To be urgent on the organization again when you're reminded

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Speaker 1: And they've got to get it right.

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Speaker 4: They've got to get the right people around those three

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Speaker 2: Talking to Joe Danman Fox nineteen, it's at Fox nineteen, Joe,

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Speaker 4: on him to be a contributor. So that's what I'm

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Speaker 4: watching for the final two weeks, especially the rookies. Tamar Stewart,

439
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Speaker 4: Demetrius Knight, Barrett Carter. Can these guys continue to show

440
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Speaker 4: the kind of flashes that at least validate the Bengal

441
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Speaker 4: is looking forward to twenty twenty six and say, Okay,

442
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Speaker 4: these are guys we can rely on to contribute.

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Speaker 1: To a defense.

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Speaker 4: So that's going to have to get a lot better,

445
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Speaker 4: and it's going to have to get a lot better

446
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Speaker 4: in agency, not just the draft. The Bengals have got

447
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Speaker 4: to do it. They've got to go for it in

448
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 4: a free agency for this defense to make the kind

449
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 4: of jump it has to make next year for the

450
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Speaker 4: Big three to be able to play in playoff games.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Joe Danaman Fox nineteen Sports Sterling seven hundred

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Speaker 2: wlw uh, it's harder from people I've talked to to

453
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Speaker 2: develop and have younger guys come in on a defense

454
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Speaker 2: than it is on the offense.

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Speaker 3: Do you buy that?

456
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Speaker 2: I mean going out and getting pieces of more experienced players.

457
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Speaker 2: I know there have been some injury issues. We obviously

458
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 2: know guys who were expected to be here have not

459
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 2: necessarily been here for the whole ride this season, or

460
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Speaker 2: playing less than eight hundred percent, which is fairly common anyway.

461
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Speaker 2: But to have some guys on defense that are players

462
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Speaker 2: that are gamers, that are not green, it's is it

463
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Speaker 2: really harder on defense than offense to get out there

464
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Speaker 2: and get it clicking?

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Speaker 4: I think on offense, there's a lot of plug and

466
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Speaker 4: play positions in football that you can put a guy

467
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Speaker 4: out there and and they can make plays right away

468
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Speaker 4: when you plug them. In defense, just in general, and

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Speaker 4: this is going to sound very rudimentary, but just in general,

470
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Speaker 4: it's very much more a read and react kind of

471
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Speaker 4: spot on the football field. And so yeah, I think

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Speaker 4: part of the problem the first eight weeks of the season,

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Speaker 4: especially when Dak Taylor and the coaching staff committed to

474
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Speaker 4: going to these two rookie linebackers, is understanding these guys

475
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Speaker 4: have to figure out where to line up, what are

476
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Speaker 4: their keys, where do they go, how do they react?

477
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Speaker 4: And you're seeing teams through a lot of misdirection to

478
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Speaker 4: try to test the eye discipline of these guys to

479
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Speaker 4: make sure that they, without a lot of experience, can

480
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Speaker 4: make the kind of right read and go to the

481
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Speaker 4: right spot. Now, even when they are doing that, you're

482
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Speaker 4: still seeing some problems pop up with tackling, and that

483
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Speaker 4: isn't something that should happen at this level, especially if

484
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Speaker 4: you're a high draft pick like Matrius Knight and Barrett

485
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Speaker 4: Carter who was a relatively high draft pick as well.

486
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Speaker 4: But I think in general, the development on the defensive

487
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Speaker 4: side of the football is probably more growing pain than

488
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Speaker 4: the offensive side. Certainly, Dylan Fairchild has been plugged in

489
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Speaker 4: right there at the offensive line and has played a

490
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Speaker 4: solid season Dat Taylor said as much today, But he's

491
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Speaker 4: also right next to two really betteran guys who can

492
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Speaker 4: help cover up for his mistakes. You look on defense

493
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Speaker 4: to Meetrius Knight and Barrett Carter make mistakes. Who's really

494
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Speaker 4: back there to help them cover up those mistakes? Gino Stones,

495
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Speaker 4: That's not a great thing for a defense. And I

496
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Speaker 4: think two as I say Geno Stones name, I think too,

497
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Speaker 4: what's important where this defense can show the guys that

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Speaker 4: you can count on to contribute in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 4: I think it's also important to understand that the Bengals

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Speaker 4: coaching staff and the organization now gets to look at

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Speaker 4: the guys they don't want to count on in twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty six, and those guys have proven themselves this year

503
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Speaker 4: that some aren't good enough to be relied upon going

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Speaker 4: into next year, and that there have to be changes.

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Speaker 4: And certainly safety is one of those positions where the

506
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 4: Bengals have to make a change. So it's not just

507
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Speaker 4: the guys who are flashing and developing and getting better

508
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Speaker 4: that you can rely upon. It's also making the assessments

509
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Speaker 4: on the guys that you have to move on from.

510
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Speaker 4: And I think the Bengals have gotten a long look

511
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Speaker 4: at both of those and have some decisions to make.

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Speaker 2: Here in a couple of weeks now it's clear that

513
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 2: there's almost been sort of there's the learning curve that's

514
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 2: been shortened, and you get to see some guys in

515
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Speaker 2: showcase in the midst of what has been an ugly season,

516
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Speaker 2: you know, and you know, it's all we want the

517
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Speaker 2: guys to start strong, you know, And so they did

518
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Speaker 2: they go like what two and oho to starts they're like,

519
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Speaker 2: oh four, and then you go, oh, Joe's toe, and

520
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Speaker 2: then you get Flacco, I mean, and then you go, well,

521
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Speaker 2: he only wins one. How is that possible? They only

522
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Speaker 2: could win a couple more games? How much better would

523
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Speaker 2: this whole circumstance be coming from the AFC North. They

524
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Speaker 2: could have been in contention for the AFC North tidle

525
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Speaker 2: and go in that way if there would just been

526
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Speaker 2: I mean, how many of these games have been just

527
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Speaker 2: a score away, a field goal, even just a point

528
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Speaker 2: where you're like watching or listening to Lap and Hoard

529
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Speaker 2: and you're just like, oh, my head's gonna explode. It's

530
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Speaker 2: just ridiculous, and I think I care too much Joe Danaman.

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Speaker 4: But if you think about the Jets and the Bears

532
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Speaker 4: game though, those are those one score one play games

533
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Speaker 4: that very much were winnable for the Bengalis, and if

534
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Speaker 4: they win them, here they are seven and eight and

535
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Speaker 4: week fifteen and they might have a pulse in the

536
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Speaker 4: AMC North. But it's been such an odd season because

537
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Speaker 4: it feels like it's been three different seasons in one

538
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Speaker 4: maybe even four where they had the start of the year,

539
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Speaker 4: and you mentioned it. Everybody said get off to the

540
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Speaker 4: fast start, and they did that. That includes beating a

541
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Speaker 4: Jacksonville Jaguars team right now who is as hot as

542
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Speaker 4: anybody in the AFC and might be one of the

543
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Speaker 4: favorites to play for an AFC championship here in about

544
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 4: a month. So you can see what they look like

545
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 4: when they have their team together.

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Speaker 1: So that was season one.

547
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Speaker 4: Then Joe goes down, and season two was this midsmash

548
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Speaker 4: of Jake Browning and Joe Flacco, and then season three

549
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 4: was Joe Burrow's come back, and you look at what

550
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 4: they've done, and I think it's important to look at

551
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 4: what this team has done with Joe Burrow the last

552
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 4: and let's go back to last year, the last twelve

553
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 4: thirteen weeks, because they've won the final five games. Last

554
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 4: year with Joe, they won the first two and that

555
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 4: includes bidding a good Jacksonville team a playoff team. Then

556
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 4: he comes back and they go on the road and

557
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 4: beat a good Baltimore team, and then they have Buffalo

558
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 4: on the ropes in the fourth quarter before the turnovers happen,

559
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 4: and then the Baltimore game. So outside of the Baltimore game,

560
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 4: the one at home where the Bengals were shut out.

561
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Speaker 4: When the Bengals have Joe Burrow playing their competitives and

562
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 4: they're playing with some of the better teams and beating

563
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Speaker 4: some of the better teams in the AFC, So they're

564
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 4: not far away, right, and it's not just getting.

565
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Speaker 1: To the playoffs.

566
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Speaker 4: And I think that's important to hammer home when you

567
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 4: start talking about all the changes that Joe Burrow is

568
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 4: hinting towards in the offseason, whether or not that's coaching changes,

569
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Speaker 4: whether or not that's funt office changes. The changes have

570
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 4: to be urgency and free agency for this team to

571
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 4: not only say, okay, what do we have to do

572
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 4: to get back to the playoffs. This is a championship level,

573
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 4: top heavy team with those three. So if you surround

574
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 4: the right players around those three, you're not just competing

575
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 4: with playoff teams like they've done this year with Joe Burrow.

576
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 4: You're beating them. And if you're beating them, you can

577
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Speaker 4: compete for championships.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it helps. I mean, you don't even need

579
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: an extraordinary defense. You need a serviceable defense with an

580
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: offense that scores the way they do, which at times

581
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: seems like it's at will, which is an amazing thing.

582
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: When they're hitting it, it's it almost looks like it's

583
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: slow motion, which is is a wild thing. But we'll

584
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Speaker 2: see how it comes together. Anything I have not asked.

585
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: I know we need to let you go on about

586
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: your day and enjoy Christmas time and family and friends

587
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: and everything else that's going on.

588
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Speaker 3: Joe Danaman, if I can ask you a question, Oh.

589
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Speaker 1: No you oh here we go?

590
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Speaker 3: Oh no, okay, oh no, Christmas week, yes, yes, it's

591
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Speaker 3: Christmas Week.

592
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Speaker 4: I have three boys, and I'm trying to think of

593
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Speaker 4: a last minute great gift, and I'm thinking Bengals tickets.

594
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Speaker 1: Now.

595
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Speaker 4: Is that a good gift because they're out of the playoffs.

596
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 4: But it's a home game, it's a winnable game, Joe

597
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 4: Burrow is playing, and two of my boys have never

598
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Speaker 4: gone to a Bengals game. So is that a good

599
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 4: gift from a dad to a son to give them

600
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Speaker 4: tickets to a game that doesn't have any playoff meeting?

601
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Speaker 2: Well, just to be serious, one, let's forget about the

602
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: fact that you're Joe Danaman, Fox nineteen Sports, who knows people,

603
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 2: who has connections, So let's start there.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a no brainer. Yeah.

605
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Speaker 2: I mean you get to go to pay Corps, you

606
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 2: get to get up close and personal and watch NFL football,

607
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: Bengals go at it with Joe Burrow, Jamar, Chase T.

608
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: Higgins if his head's right still, Chase Brown, p Ryan

609
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Speaker 2: who was all over the place, and a defense that

610
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Speaker 2: maybe can do some work. I mean they got the Cardinals, right,

611
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Speaker 2: you got the Browns.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I want to be one of your kids

614
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Speaker 3: right now is bright? No, they should be happy.

615
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 4: It's about to be decently warm on Sunday. Although I've

616
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 4: heard the word storms for first Sunday. We'll see about that.

617
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 4: What a wild thing that would be in late December.

618
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Speaker 4: But yeah, I think I'm gonna do it. I think

619
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna make that my last minute gift.

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Speaker 2: I think I think it's a great choice. Even mister Waddell,

621
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: who's producing, is like, well what about us? What about us?

622
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Speaker 2: I totally get that. Yeah, it's always good to talk

623
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Speaker 2: to you. I hope you have a great Christmas and

624
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 2: a great New Year. If we don't connect again, I

625
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: appreciate you bringing what you do and certainly watching it

626
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: and seeing what you bring. On Fox nineteen Joe Daniman,

627
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: thank you and take care of yourself and have fun.

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Speaker 4: With the boys Sunday. Christ I appreciate it. Merry Christmas, guys.

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Speaker 2: Take care of yourself more Sterling coming back seven hundred

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Speaker 2: W WELLW here we are a couple of minutes away

631
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Speaker 2: from your ten o'clock report. It's a Monday night, Sterling.

632
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 2: Garrett Jeff was on earlier.

633
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Speaker 3: I'm here now.

634
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 2: It's the holidays, Christmas kwans Hanikah a full effect right

635
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: now and just trying to get through it. And I

636
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: just picked up a Mark, a criminal defense counsel superstar,

637
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: gonna join us after the ten o'clock report to try

638
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: to make sense of It's an odd case because you

639
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 2: have a case about a woman, Rodea Nathan, who lost

640
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 2: her life at the hand of another. She was murdered,

641
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: brutally beaten in a hotel room at Embassy Suites, Blue

642
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: ash in like a third and was it ninety three,

643
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: ninety five somewhere at ninety four, so we're talking in

644
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: excess of thirty years ago. There was a guy tried

645
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: who worked there, his name Elwood Jones. He the whole

646
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: time is our prisons are filled with people who say

647
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: they're innocent, and he said he was innocent. He's kept

648
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 2: to that story. Then people start fighting for him. They say, listen,

649
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: it's circumstantial evidence. That doesn't mean anything. DNA hepatitis, no hepatitis,

650
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: there's something, And they go, okay, fine, we can't try

651
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: you again. I think it's called no prejudice on the

652
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 2: overturnament or what have you, and I'll probably be corrected.

653
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Speaker 2: Mister Crumbine momentarily, that's why he's here. He knows what's what.

654
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Speaker 2: And then just a couple days later, Joe Dieters now

655
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Speaker 2: in the Supreme Court, used to be prosecutor, comes out

656
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: and says, that's a bunch of crap. We had what

657
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Speaker 2: we needed. He should be locked up. He is guilty.

658
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Speaker 2: And then a day or two after that, Miss Somarco,

659
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: she's the coroner here in Hamilton County, she comes out,

660
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: apparently they have for research, they've done study, they look

661
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 2: into che tech I guess whatever biological pieces in parts

662
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 2: of samples that they had that were still viable, and

663
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Speaker 2: then apparently there's no hepatitis shown. Now a defense council

664
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: says that's wrong. Of course, they're defending their client. So

665
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Speaker 2: I would like to just have an experienced criminal counselor

666
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 2: on who's been on the side both sides effectively of

667
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: this type of circumstance to say, one, we don't want

668
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: anybody railroaded. I think that's clear. No one should be

669
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: put away and due time for a crime they didn't commit.

670
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: On the other side of it, you want someone who's

671
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: culpable to be held accountable in some type of justice

672
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: for someone who can't speak for themselves and their family

673
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: members who died at the hand of another in a

674
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: brutal fashion. So we'll get into Mark Crumbine's brain about

675
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: this case and maybe how many people could be locked

676
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: up who shouldn't be, and maybe sometimes how people get

677
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 2: away with stuff that they should not because they actually

678
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: did cause harm to another. I guess you work the

679
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 2: system in some cases, or you don't have what you

680
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 2: need to get a conviction when it comes to evidence.

681
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: So Mark Crumbine joins me after your ten o'clock report

682
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 2: the latest on what's going on around the tri State

683
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 2: and the planet Earth that matters to us. Here on

684
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 2: a Monday night, Sterling, where the Hooda got a big

685
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: win over the fish in a game that arguably didn't

686
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: matter yesterday, and they got three more to go, and

687
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: they're reds who will be in the desert in just

688
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: a matter of weeks. Here the Nation Station seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati.

689
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Speaker 3: Here we are.

690
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: It's a fine Monday night, sterling hanging out. Hope you're

691
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: doing okay. The holidays are upon them. Hope you and

692
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: yours are enjoying yourself. A lot of people already on

693
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: the road getting where they're going. And the idea of

694
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: being able to freely travel and to get around and

695
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: to visit family this time of year especially, I think

696
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 2: hits close to home. And for the better part of

697
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 2: thirty thirty five years, give or take the Nathan family

698
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: after the loss of RhoD and Nathan as she was

699
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: brutally beaten in a hotel room in Blue Ash, it

700
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: didn't leave a whole lot for them to celebrate over

701
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: well decades now, frankly and looking for closure and murder.

702
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: Police in Cincinnati or Blue Ash, and across the country

703
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: for that matter, Planet Earth do their best to speak

704
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 2: for those who can't to get justice, to get retribution

705
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: for one of a better way to describe it, For

706
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 2: those who are responsible for the pain the suffering and

707
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: the lives taken of people who have been murdered. And

708
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: in the midst of this was a guy who worked

709
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 2: at this same hotel, Elwood Jones, who with circumstantial evidence,

710
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: the law enforcement was able to find their way effectively

711
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: to a prosecution. As I understand it, and the whole way,

712
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 2: mister Jones had said that he was not guilty. Many

713
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 2: people do. In fact, prisons are filled with people who

714
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 2: say that they're in a A lot of people came

715
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: to his defense over these last three decades, and basically

716
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: there was an overturning of some of that process and

717
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: saying now that he can't be retried for it, and

718
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: some of it was it was circumstantial. They did not

719
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: have DNA, there was a hepatitis question, and just in

720
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 2: the last week or so, it was the idea of

721
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 2: him not having to deal with another prosecution and Joe

722
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: Deaters came out.

723
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 3: It was a part of the prosecutor's office.

724
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 2: I think he may have been the DA at the

725
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 2: time here in Hamilton County who was behind the conviction

726
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 2: at this point, said that what had been discussed was

727
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 2: not legitimate, that they had more than enough evidence and

728
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 2: it was a legitimate, upstanding prosecution and conviction as I

729
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: understand it, his defense council says. Otherwise, as we are

730
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: now here, Coroner Somarco in Hamilton County comes out today.

731
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: You heard her here on the Big One even talking

732
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Speaker 2: about the fact that they did more testing there is

733
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: no hepatitis, so that the idea that there had been hepatitis,

734
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 2: and that the accused in this case, Owood Jones, would

735
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: not have been able to have committed this act without

736
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: finding himself exposed to an in fact, showing then some

737
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: type of positive sign for it was his way out

738
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: of being culpable. Kind of have to give us some

739
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: time who was dealt with more than his handful of

740
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 2: cases and defense of those who were facing death penalty,

741
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: capital murder cases or otherwise and been around in the

742
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: Tri State for quite a while doing this kind enough

743
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Speaker 2: to take my call and to show up in person

744
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Speaker 2: to talk about this as a criminal defense counsel Mark Crumbine,

745
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 2: Welcome back to seven hundred w welw, how are you

746
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: and happy holiday?

747
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 6: Oh thank you Shary. It's so great to be here

748
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 6: and so great to see again. Thank you for having

749
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 6: me here tonight.

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Speaker 2: How irregular is this case. This is a high profile case,

751
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: and I think anyone of any reasonable rational mind would say,

752
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 2: we want someone who is responsible for taking another's life

753
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: or causing another's harm, let alone property damage, but the

754
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 2: loss of life to be held accountable and to be

755
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: taken away and no longer a life, to playing the

756
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 2: big sandbox of life, or in some cases maybe execution

757
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: because we are a death penalty state. How often do

758
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: we see a case like this where they're convicted and

759
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: then they say, hey, subsequently there's no evidence. How often

760
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 2: because that's just the first part of.

761
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Speaker 6: This, Well, that's extremely unusual, and I don't think you know.

762
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Speaker 6: A couple of things I want to point out. Sometimes

763
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 6: people say, well, it's just a circumstantial evidence case, but

764
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 6: that there are a lot of cases that are circumstantial evidence.

765
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Speaker 6: That doesn't mean it's a good case or a bad case.

766
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 6: It just means that there's probably not an eyewitness, and

767
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 6: there aren't a lot of murders and things where there

768
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 6: are actually eyewitnesses. Otherwise there wouldn't be a lot of

769
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 6: trials if somebody saw it. So a lot of cases

770
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Speaker 6: go to trial. Circumstantial cases they could be great prosecution cases.

771
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Speaker 7: They could be very weak.

772
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Speaker 6: And then also I don't think necessarily anyone saying that

773
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 6: there's no evidence here against mister j Ownes. There was

774
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 6: some evidence, but apparently not sufficient evidence, and that doesn't

775
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 6: tell you certainly whether he did or didn't do it.

776
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 6: At this point, the case is the charges have been dismissed.

777
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 6: And again that gets to another concept. You can't prove Typically,

778
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 6: you cannot prove that you're not guilty when you if

779
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 6: you ever say that as a defense attorney, that could

780
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 6: be the end of your career. You can't prove it.

781
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 6: I mean, nobody can really prove they're innocent. And there

782
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 6: really is not an expectation in the Constitution of the

783
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Speaker 6: United States.

784
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Speaker 7: That we have to do that. We don't have to

785
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Speaker 7: do that.

786
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: That's up to the prosecution to prove that you're guilty

787
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 2: beyond a reasonable doubt. And the question here is is

788
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: there a reasonable doubt? And initially with this that they

789
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 2: felt that it was enough there to beyond a reasonable

790
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 2: doubt put him away.

791
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 6: Correct, Well, the jury thought that, yes, correct, yes, And

792
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 6: the jury thought that and that you know that doesn't

793
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 6: this is you know, my understanding. I don't think there's

794
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 6: you know, sometimes there will be a case where they'll say,

795
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 6: factually a court will decide that later on that the

796
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 6: persons didn't do it, for sure did But those are

797
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 6: so rare, they're like you can kind of on one hand.

798
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Speaker 6: Typically it's either not guilty at trial, or maybe if

799
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Speaker 6: you're found guilty it's thrown out. But that doesn't mean

800
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 6: there's some evidence, doesn't mean you did it. I mean, frankly,

801
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 6: you could be found guilty and still not have done it.

802
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 6: Of course, sure that happens sometimes so and I believe

803
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 6: that that's what mister Jones is saying.

804
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Speaker 3: In a circumstance like this.

805
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Speaker 2: Mare Crombine, criminal defense counsel, was Stirling seven hundred WLW

806
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 2: talking about this horrible circumstance with Elwood Jones and the

807
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Speaker 2: loss of life of wrote to Nathan, and I think

808
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: sometimes in the midst of this conversation you think about

809
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 2: the guy who may be locked away for the rest

810
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 2: of his days or extended period, three decades, whatever it is,

811
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: in losing their freedoms. But people often forget about there

812
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 2: was a woman who was brutally murdered. Her family has

813
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: had to navigate this and would like some closure. They

814
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 2: felt like they had had that closure and then now

815
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 2: here we are, this type of thing comes out and

816
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: you have current prosecutor who says, you know, things are

817
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: not as we thought they were. Previous prosecutor says, oh,

818
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 2: yes they were. And the defense counsel is going to

819
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: do what they do, which is try to protect and

820
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: provide whatever they can in defense of their client to

821
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 2: be able to get them back to freedom or at

822
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 2: least change what they're obligated to be punished for. How

823
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 2: often in what type of arguments? I mean, this is

824
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: a weird thing prosecutor to prosecutor, right, especially forget about

825
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: the fact go into the Supreme Court. But that carries

826
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 2: another bit of weight. This is an odd case across

827
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Speaker 2: the board, is it not?

828
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Speaker 6: Absolutely? I mean, we have our new prosecutor, County Pillage.

829
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Speaker 6: I believe she's saying, you know, she was talking about

830
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Speaker 6: how the test result was one thing. Mister Dieters the

831
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 6: original prosecutor, county prosecutor in Henry County for decades, and

832
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 6: you know he's saying, no, you know, he's seeing it

833
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Speaker 6: differently in this agreeing pretty strongly with Countye Pillage.

834
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Speaker 7: Very unusual.

835
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Speaker 2: As you look at this in the time that you've

836
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 2: you've studied it, and it gets weird and murky water.

837
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: I suppose from someone in your position to maybe touch

838
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 2: too deep into this. But from what you've seen and

839
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: from what you've heard, is you assessed this. Where do

840
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 2: you see their truth to be? Well, it doesn't matter

841
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 2: defense or prosecution.

842
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 6: Sure it matters, but you know it's really I mean,

843
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 6: I haven't this is a new development. I haven't really

844
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 6: I haven't been able to study it that much. It

845
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 6: just came out, sure, But you know, I see I

846
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 6: think what it sort of boils down to is originally

847
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,439
Speaker 6: and I could be wrong in some of these facts.

848
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 6: I can remember the original case, but you know, I

849
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 6: think the original part of the original theory was that

850
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 6: Missus Nathan, the person the woman that was killed supposedly

851
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 6: the corner, not supposedly the corner back then, not latch me.

852
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 6: So Marco said that Missus Nathan had hepatitis bright okay,

853
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 6: which is very contagious. Okay. But then the the back

854
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 6: then even they said that Elwood Jones did not have it,

855
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 6: but he supposedly could have been was bitten by her

856
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 6: and this and that that's the prosecution's case back then,

857
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 6: that was just part of the case though, so that

858
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 6: I think there was a significant factor. And now the

859
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 6: county prosecutor watched me. So Marco is saying, well, I

860
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 6: reviewed it. I looked at the microscopic evidence that you know,

861
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 6: the it's left, and I see that there is no

862
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 6: inflammation in the liver and that indicates no hepatitis. So

863
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 6: he's saying, missus, Nathan did not have hepatitis then, And

864
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 6: she said, is that the corner back then made a

865
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 6: human error and thought that she had it right. So

866
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Speaker 6: I think back then, and this is the part I

867
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Speaker 6: gotta be careful, but I'm not one hundred percent sure,

868
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 6: but I think back then they said that Nathan Jones

869
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 6: did not have hepatitis correct, so so and they said,

870
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 6: so that was maybe I guess that would be part

871
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 6: of his defense back then. But now they're saying, well

872
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 6: that that doesn't matter because she didn't have it either.

873
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 6: So if if she beat him, why would he have

874
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 6: it right? But there's still other evidence that was brought

875
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 6: up and it doesn't mean that it's that it's damning there.

876
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,959
Speaker 6: You know, they were claiming that I think some bite

877
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 6: marks matched. I hope I'm not kidding these cases mixed up.

878
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 2: I don't know how many people are bitten on a

879
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: regular basis, but I mean, you have someone who have

880
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 2: apparently bit someone in the midst of a horrible beating,

881
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: and then you have a guy who allegedly had a

882
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 2: bite on them right.

883
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 6: Well, but you know that science has changed over the

884
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 6: years a lot. Yeah, and so you know, they I

885
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 6: think back then, if I have the right case, they

886
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 6: were saying that it matched. But now they're seeing that

887
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 6: science isn't that good, and I don't know if they

888
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 6: can still.

889
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 7: I don't know if they could tell.

890
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 6: Back then, for sure they thought they could that it

891
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 6: was even a bite mark. Maybe it's something else. And

892
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 6: then you know, there's some other evidence.

893
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 7: Back then they said that.

894
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 6: You know, a unique item of jewelry was found in

895
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 6: Elwood Jones trunk and it must have been it was

896
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:28,959
Speaker 6: from the victim.

897
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: That it was custom made or something cestimde.

898
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 6: But then there were allegations that it was planted there

899
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 6: by the police officer. But now the police officer has

900
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 6: passed away, so then that leaves you in the lurch there.

901
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: They're also been talking if I'm not mistaken Mark Crumb

902
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: by Criminal Defensive attorney was Sterling on the big one

903
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: talking about this Elwo Jones case, and it was horrible

904
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: murder situation and now and it's effective. Is it an

905
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: overturned case. That's the other thing that's kind of weird

906
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 2: in how this plays out, because they said he couldn't

907
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 2: be charged or at least retried.

908
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 3: But and you mentioned the jewelry.

909
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 2: They said that it apparently was calm found in New York,

910
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 2: which then says sort of takes away that as being

911
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 2: religid evidence. But they had a stack of other bits

912
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 2: and pieces of stuff that put pieces that they said, look,

913
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: here's the guy, he was there, he did this.

914
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think there was I better be really careful.

915
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 3: I don't want to put in a bad spot.

916
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 7: Well, I just want to be careful.

917
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: I don't want to get in trouble. Either you've got

918
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 2: I'm in a world or heard. If I get in trouble,

919
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 2: you've got experienced, license licensed.

920
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 6: But there's something about some infection, not just hepatitis, but

921
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 6: some type of infection from the so called bite.

922
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 7: I don't know.

923
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 6: I can't remember the details of that, yeah, or the

924
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 6: accuracy of it. And then there was something about you know,

925
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 6: supposedly she got hit with a radio like he had,

926
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 6: and there was a mark from the radio on her body.

927
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 6: There's a lot of other stuff too, But you know,

928
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 6: I think part of it, I guess, is that you know,

929
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 6: that's circumstantial evidence. It could be true, it could be false,

930
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 6: it could be accurate, it could be inaccurate. You know,

931
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 6: you've got you know, sit uh forensic people on one side,

932
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 6: you know, analyzing it. Obviously, the state's going to use

933
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 6: who they think supports their theory of the case, and

934
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 6: the defense will try to find somebody that can counter it.

935
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 6: And and by the way, it just points out there

936
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 6: it may not be like you may never be able

937
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 6: to show truthfully or not. Some things are not discernible.

938
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 6: They're just not, I mean not everything is a scientific thing,

939
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 6: a perfect scientific thing, So you know, it's not in

940
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 6: a lot of most cases are really the totality. And

941
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 6: the prosecutors like to use this phrase. I've been a prosecutor,

942
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying. You've done them both scientific sides. Yeah,

943
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 6: you know, they like to say totality of the circumstances,

944
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 6: you know, and that's really true, Like if you looked

945
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 6: at one little part you'd say, well, that doesn't mean it,

946
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 6: that doesn't mean it. But if you look at everything,

947
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 6: well maybe that's enough. Maybe that's enough to prove beyond

948
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 6: a reasonable doubt. That's what you have to have. So

949
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:00,240
Speaker 6: you know, some people they look at these cases for years,

950
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 6: for one hundred years. You know, some famous cases, Jack

951
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 6: the Ripper and all this stuff. Sometimes it's never going

952
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 6: to be clear, and somebody has to decide. It's got

953
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 6: to be a jury or a judge typically, and they're

954
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 6: making a decision. They could be right, they could be wrong.

955
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 6: That is the nature of human beings. That's our system.

956
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 6: That's our system. And we always hope, you know, whether

957
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 6: you're a prosecutor or defense attorney, you always hope the

958
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 6: real truth will come out. Now that you know, your

959
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 6: job as a defense attorney is a total advocate, you're

960
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 6: not worried about you can't worry about what should be because.

961
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 7: You don't really know.

962
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 6: People think as a defense attorney, this might be interesting

963
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 6: for some people. They think that as a defense attorney,

964
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 6: you know for sure what happened.

965
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,959
Speaker 2: Right, do you want to know before you finish your thought?

966
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 2: Like it's say, for instance, God forbid, let I don't

967
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 2: even want to put anybody's name in it. If you

968
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: have someone standing over here who's been charged with a

969
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: horrific crime and they're like you, like, do you want

970
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: to know if they really did it when they call

971
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 2: you to defend them? Or do you do you not

972
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 2: want to know and just try to defend them with

973
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 2: whatever you can.

974
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 7: Well, you need what you need to do as a

975
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 7: defense attorney.

976
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 6: I found this earlier early on, is you need to

977
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 6: look at the case and say, don't waste your time

978
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 6: trying to form an opinion, because you might be right

979
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 6: or you might be wrong. It doesn't matter believe it

980
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 6: or not. For your job, you have to try the

981
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 6: best you can, and deep inside, as a human being,

982
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 6: you're hoping that that the truth comes out.

983
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 7: You really are, but you're not.

984
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 6: But if you make like, for instance, early on in

985
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 6: the case, I thought I had a guy as really

986
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 6: Early on, I thought, man, this sounds so bad. This

987
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 6: guy probably did it, which is a dangerous thought as

988
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 6: a criminal defense attorney. But sometimes you're like you listen

989
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 6: and you're like, oh my gosh. But then by the

990
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 6: time I tried the case, I was like, oh my gosh,

991
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 6: this guy, I mean, is innocent for sure.

992
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 2: Have you ever been fooled? Do you think or somebody

993
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 2: you found you got to off? For one of a

994
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 2: better way to describe it. They're found not guilty, then

995
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 2: subsequently they look at you with a little smirk and

996
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 2: a wink, and you're like, oh, hell no, no.

997
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not saying I couldn't have, but usually

998
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 6: I'm pretty comfortable with what happens.

999
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 7: Sure that helps, you know I am. I mean, I

1000
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 7: would you know?

1001
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 6: And like I said early on, that the one case

1002
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 6: I can think of that really changed my whole career

1003
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 6: about how I felt about things, what I wanted to

1004
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 6: do for the rest of my life. I had a

1005
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 6: guy that sounded so guilty, and everybody kept telling me

1006
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 6: and it seemed like he was. And I shouldn't have

1007
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 6: bothered forming an opinion because by the end of it,

1008
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 6: when I saw that the verdict came back and even

1009
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 6: the policeman came up and shook my hand and said,

1010
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 6: you were right. He goes, you were right, but that

1011
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 6: guy didn't do it. He told me who he thought

1012
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 6: did it, and I was like amazed because I didn't

1013
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 6: even figure it out. But I didn't have to figure

1014
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 6: it out. That wasn't your job, and it shouldn't be

1015
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 6: my job.

1016
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 2: Now here, that goes to something else more crumbined criminal

1017
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 2: defense attorney was Stirling on the big one. So the

1018
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 2: other side of it, because you were a prosecutor and

1019
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 2: we see it, and I know TV is not always real,

1020
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 2: you know, even the procedurals like first forty eight, which

1021
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 2: they have shot a lot of those early on here

1022
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, and it's fun to watch. And none of

1023
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 2: them ever say I want my lawyer, which is bewildering.

1024
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 2: But the first thing if a cop gets in trouble

1025
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 2: is they want they want their their defense counsel that

1026
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 2: comes hopefully from their union. So if they're not going

1027
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 2: to answer questions and they want counsel, by god, if

1028
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: you get in trouble, you better find somebody to protect you.

1029
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 6: Yes, And they even have special rules because they the

1030
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 6: rules are for their union. They have to get two

1031
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 6: days before their question something like that. They have special

1032
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 6: rules through their union for the police.

1033
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,240
Speaker 2: We should all have that. Yeah, now here's the other side.

1034
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 2: I agree because I've had I know people in law enforcement.

1035
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 2: I've known people have been prosecutors actively and otherwise. And

1036
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 2: now you here Mark Crumbine. So, and we only have

1037
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 2: about two and a half minutes, so this is difficult.

1038
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 2: But I in a prosecutory investigation situation as well as

1039
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 2: with law enforcement, you may think somebody is guilty, but

1040
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 2: you don't. You want to go after the evidence. It's

1041
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 2: first to find who you're pointing at, rather than pointing

1042
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 2: the finger and then finding the evidence. Because I've heard

1043
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 2: conversation on both sides of that from people in that business.

1044
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 6: Yes, well, as a prosecutor, there's no doubt. By the

1045
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 6: rules of ethics. As an attorney and everything, you have

1046
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 6: a duty to be fair. So you have to look

1047
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 6: at it. And if you think the person's not guilty

1048
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 6: or you're you can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that they're guilty,

1049
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 6: you have to say, hey, I'm not going to prosecute

1050
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 6: that person. That's just a general way rule of it.

1051
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 6: That's your decision. As a defense attorney, you're not like,

1052
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 6: you're not supposed to judge guilt or not guilt, guilty

1053
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:37,959
Speaker 6: or not guilty. You just have to do the best

1054
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 6: you can. If your client tells you I didn't do it,

1055
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 6: that's what you need to know. And if you're not,

1056
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 6: if you don't go all the way and try as

1057
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 6: hard as you can. You will be failing that person

1058
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 6: and you will be failing the system. So it's different

1059
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 6: when you're a defense attorney than a prosecutor.

1060
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 2: Mark Crumbining criminal defense counsel Stirling seven hundred double lub.

1061
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: You know, let's take this back to this horrible case

1062
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 2: about Rhoda Nathan and know with Jones so outside looking in,

1063
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 2: this guy, as I understand, it cannot be tried for

1064
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 2: this again.

1065
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 3: Is that correct?

1066
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 7: Yes, with prejudice, that's what that means.

1067
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 2: So with prejudice, he can't be tried again. Now there's

1068
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,959
Speaker 2: a question to say what initially had gotten that thrown

1069
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 2: in that direction was something that apparently may not be accurate.

1070
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 2: So then that does that mean that that case, that order,

1071
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 2: that decision should be nullified and not valid because or

1072
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 2: or is it because I mean, you either have hepatitis

1073
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: or you don't have hepatitis in the genetic matter that

1074
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 2: was tested, or am I out of the water?

1075
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 6: Well, I think and this is difficult for me. I

1076
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 6: don't know all the facts right, but you know, the

1077
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 6: hepatitis thing at the beginning was more in favor of

1078
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 6: the defendant correct. So the fact that it got thrown

1079
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 6: out anyway, even though there was appetitis thing against him

1080
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 6: would still be I think in favor of the defendantor Sterling,

1081
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 6: you're more logical than I.

1082
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't go so far as to say that, but

1083
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 2: it's just a horrible that you want justice for the

1084
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: family and for the woman who lost her life, Miss Nathan,

1085
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 2: of course, and you want you know, justice and penalty

1086
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 2: and punishment whatever you want to call it for the guilty,

1087
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 2: whether it's Elwood Jones or somebody else who maybe has

1088
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 2: been free all this time, and he was just in

1089
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 2: the bad you know, bad situation, wrong place, wrong time,

1090
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 2: bad history, and oddly some injuries that fit sort of

1091
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 2: in line with the way they put together this prosecution.

1092
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 2: It's tough final thoughts on how about anything in this

1093
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 2: or otherwise before I let you go.

1094
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 6: Well, it's really interesting and I think it shows something

1095
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 6: that that constantly happens, no matter how sophisticated in scientific things.

1096
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 7: In DNA.

1097
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 6: I had the first DNA murder test murder case in

1098
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 6: Cincinnati's history, by the way I tried it. Wow, And

1099
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 6: there was something that was that I pointed out without

1100
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 6: any scientific knowledge that came true within ten years.

1101
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 7: Well yeah, and.

1102
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 3: That makes you feel good that you didn't. There wasn't

1103
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 3: an up truck, right, And I argued it.

1104
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 6: But I lost anyway. But then my client's case was

1105
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 6: commuted by the governor later. Okay, but I figured it out.

1106
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 6: It's just a simple logical thing. You know, the testing

1107
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 6: would change, it will change, It will change ten years

1108
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 6: from now. Now, who would have predicted that, you know,

1109
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 6: the test results would be different for the hepatitis. I

1110
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 6: don't think anybody could have necessarily predicted that. But you know,

1111
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 6: I noticed one basic that drives me crazy, just as

1112
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,280
Speaker 6: a logical semiological person, is they didn't have the names

1113
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 6: on the hepatitis, like the decisions like in nineteen ninety four.

1114
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 6: They didn't put so and so hepatitis so and so.

1115
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 6: They didn't even have that. They were using numbers. I'm like, ah,

1116
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 6: might not put the name. Okay, That's something I noticed

1117
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 6: that just as a logical thing.

1118
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 3: I We'll have to have you back because I could.

1119
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 4: I could.

1120
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 2: I mean, I have so many questions about this, and

1121
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 2: I think most people, and I know mister Waddell's like due,

1122
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 2: hurry up, and I'm sorry relate. Let me just say

1123
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 2: I appreciate what you do, Mark Crumbink, criminal defense counsel.

1124
00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 2: I know you got a potential client you gotta meet

1125
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 2: after this, and we thank you for making time.

1126
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1127
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 3: And it's just a horrible case.

1128
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you want the innocent to be free, the

1129
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 2: guilty to be punished and locked away in validation, in

1130
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 2: some type of retribution, if nothing, closure for a family

1131
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 2: of a victim of something like this. This is ugly

1132
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 2: all the way around.

1133
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 6: It's a very upsetting scenario. And there's no two ways

1134
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 6: about that.

1135
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 2: Thank you for talking. Thank you giving us your insight.

1136
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 2: That's Mark Crumbeine Sterling coming back, seven hundred WLW. I

1137
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 2: do love Session the Street as a kid man growing up,

1138
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 2: that was tremendous. I liked mister Rogers too, but I

1139
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 2: got to a certain point.

1140
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 3: I don't know what it was.

1141
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 2: I grew up beyond the mister Rodgers and he creeped

1142
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 2: me out a little bit. And then years later, with

1143
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 2: the niece's nephew, pseudo nieces nephews and so forth, they

1144
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 2: were into mister Rogers reruns. And then I started watching

1145
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, I remember, and it made

1146
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 2: me feel good. He was like a good dude and

1147
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 2: even talking with the little train and the little people

1148
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 2: in the make believe world. But what really creeped me out?

1149
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 2: And I don't mean any just respect. And I love

1150
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 2: CET and I love PBS. So hear me out at

1151
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 2: Sterling by the way, hanging out on a Monday for

1152
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 2: Gary Jeff who was in on earlier holiday season. We're

1153
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,479
Speaker 2: all mixed up. It's hard to even know what day

1154
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 2: it is, to be honest with you, Uh, but is

1155
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 2: we're here and we're enjoying ourselves and trying to have

1156
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 2: a good time, uh with the holidays and everything. It's

1157
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 2: it's just nice. Hopefully you're doing okay. Five point three

1158
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 2: seven four nine seven eight hundred the big one. We

1159
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 2: go open up the phones, give you a chance to

1160
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 2: get interactive, uh and see how the season is going

1161
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 2: and everything along with that.

1162
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 3: It's uh, it's good times.

1163
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 2: And I lost my train of thought thinking about mister

1164
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 2: Rogers and uh, you know, the back in the fold

1165
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 2: and embracing it and everything else. But I mean, it's

1166
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 2: just it's just good. I used to like the Electric

1167
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 2: Company with Morgan Freeman before he was the president and

1168
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 2: the voiceover for just about everything that was going on.

1169
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 2: I think he even voiced and played God at some point.

1170
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 2: I remember while watching him on the Electric Company too,

1171
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 2: which was always tremendous, and so forth five one, three, seven, nine,

1172
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 2: eight hundred the Big One James were Peene conversation with

1173
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 2: him talking Bengals, dolphins and the future of the hoode

1174
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 2: coming up after eleven o'clock. Uh so, yeah, there is

1175
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 2: that happening as well. So uh, since I derailed my

1176
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 2: own thought, which is difficult, I blame that on blundhead trauma.

1177
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 2: I want to bring something else up. And I've seen this.

1178
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 2: It happened once on the way in tonight and once

1179
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 2: over the weekend coming home, and then in the neighborhood

1180
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 2: walking the dog. A buddy of mine I noticed had

1181
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 2: done the same thing. And everybody's doing decorations for the

1182
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 2: season in different ways. A buddy of mine, his dog

1183
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 2: attacked his big inflatable like Frosty the Snowman. So then

1184
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 2: he changed it and it got what looks now like

1185
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 2: a big snow globe, and the dog is no longer

1186
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 2: allowed all the lead out front. I don't know if

1187
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 2: it was the blower in the frosty waving in the wind,

1188
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 2: but he was unnerved and attacked, I think, probably to

1189
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 2: protect his people, but it was not good for the snowman.

1190
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 2: It did not end well, ripped apart just a little bit.

1191
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 2: So it's just tough times. But what I don't understand,

1192
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 2: and I don't know if it's legal, but it's interesting.

1193
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 2: It is all these cars I have seen, and I

1194
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 2: don't know if they're selling a blanket wrap for vehicles

1195
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 2: with led Christmas lights right now. But driving down seventy

1196
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 2: one to get off here at Montgomery Road to do

1197
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 2: this show tonight, there was somebody in a white I

1198
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 2: couldn't tell. It was a low rider type of car

1199
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 2: as sort of a sports car. Thankfully, no bad weather.

1200
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,439
Speaker 2: I mean it's nice and above freezing, and that's great.

1201
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 2: But I literally I thought, what is behind me? Is

1202
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 2: the motor passed? I'm not saying it was speeding or not.

1203
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 2: I can can neither confirm nor tonine. I don't want

1204
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 2: to get anybody in trouble, but I thought it was

1205
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 2: like Santa or something, and then I realized, no, it's

1206
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 2: just a car loaded with lights and it was I

1207
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 2: felt festive, I felt good all of a sudden, I

1208
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 2: felt warm and fuzzy inside. But then I was also like, man,

1209
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 2: how much time does that take? You see these vehicles

1210
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 2: in occasion. I used to see it a lot in

1211
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 2: and around Coryville in East want At Hills when I

1212
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 2: was living there. In and around Eton Park, there were

1213
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 2: a couple people that would put all these little weird

1214
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 2: knick knacks, like I assume they super glued them. I

1215
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 2: can't imagine they've belcrowed them to the hood of the

1216
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 2: car or the roof of the car, in the trunk

1217
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 2: of the vehicle, and they would travel around that way.

1218
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's like an iceore. That's troubling. I kind

1219
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 2: of liked the led Christmas light thing, however, unlike the

1220
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 2: house where I don't have a problem with anybody keeping

1221
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 2: their lights on for as long as it is that

1222
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 2: it makes them happy to celebrate the holiday. I mean,

1223
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 2: they can be on now until New Year's. Maybe you

1224
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 2: switch to like a Valentine's colors, and then maybe you

1225
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 2: switch to Saint Patrick's Day colors, and maybe then you

1226
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 2: switch to well, well, I don't know, Opening Day Reds colors,

1227
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,919
Speaker 2: and then in the summertime for Fourth of July, maybe

1228
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 2: you have lights that are red, white, and blue for

1229
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 2: well these United States of America and are twenty fifth

1230
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 2: or two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, I should say, which

1231
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 2: is coming up in twenty twenty six.

1232
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 3: I see all those things, but on the road with those.

1233
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 2: Lights all the time, that it's almost a little too much,

1234
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 2: a little overwhelming. But it kind of made me feel good,

1235
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 2: just the same if I won three, seven, four, nine, seven,

1236
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 2: eight hundred, the big one. And speaking of holiday lights,

1237
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 2: because I know some people don't like it when their

1238
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 2: neighbors keep the lights on all the time, there's a story,

1239
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 2: and I want to say it is in California where

1240
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 2: some people have now gone to court and they're suing

1241
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 2: a neighbor because they had had lights on for Christmas.

1242
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 2: They apparently had kept festive lights on for much of

1243
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 2: the year, and not quite necessarily to the same extent

1244
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 2: that I just laid out in color configurations for different

1245
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 2: holidays throughout the seasons of the year. But their neighbors

1246
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 2: say they're too bright. The neighbors say that they're overwhelming,

1247
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 2: that it's psychological warfare, and effectively, now that they're going

1248
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 2: back and forth on it, and I saw an interview

1249
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 2: earlier this afternoon with this couple, and this woman is

1250
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 2: literally in tears upset because she doesn't understand why anybody

1251
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 2: would have a problem with the Christmas lights or any

1252
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 2: of the other lights just in general. And I suppose

1253
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 2: there is a very subtle line between becoming a nuisance

1254
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 2: and an eyesore and some type of problem, because they

1255
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 2: would even do it, apparently for Halloween with lights and

1256
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 2: big stuff. And I've seen the big skeletons that are

1257
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 2: like ten feet tall, maybe eight foot tall at least.

1258
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 2: I mean I'm six foot plus, and I've seen some

1259
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 2: that are taller than that. And they have dressed the

1260
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 2: skeletons in like Santa outfits, which I find to be

1261
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 2: a black But I don't know where that line is overall,

1262
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 2: as long as it's not becoming a sound annoyance, as

1263
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 2: long as it's not it lit up like the sun

1264
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 2: to where it's you know, bleeding through your you know,

1265
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 2: blackout curtains or otherwise, I say, embrace the season, Christmas, Hanka, Kwanza,

1266
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,919
Speaker 2: whatever it is, Bring on Valentine's Day, Saint Patrick's Day,

1267
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 2: fourth of July. There's probably some others I can't think of.

1268
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 2: In between, but either way, it's it's good times. I'm

1269
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 2: looking at Monday Night football in the Red Panda doing

1270
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 2: this halftime show, which is pretty wild. It looks like

1271
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 2: on a unicycle, which unless you've gone to clown school,

1272
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of people who were able to

1273
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 2: get around on a unicycle, let alone throw like flatware

1274
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 2: and dishes and so forth. But she was doing it,

1275
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 2: and she's of course in Indianapolis where the forty nine

1276
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 2: ers are leading the Colts thirty four to twenty seven

1277
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter now as the forty nine er,

1278
01:03:57,840 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 2: so just taking a kickoff. I'm not doing play by play.

1279
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:01,959
Speaker 2: I'm just giving you an update if you're driving around

1280
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what's going on with the Monday

1281
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 2: Night football. James Repene going to join me after the

1282
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock report. We'll talk on Bengals, how their Sunday went,

1283
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 2: how these next couple of weeks will go for them,

1284
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 2: and what it means for twenty twenty six for your

1285
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Football Bengals. That's coming up after the eleven o'clock report.

1286
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 2: I'm not done yet. There's more to do here on

1287
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW. Glad you're alone, Sterling hanging out. Gary

1288
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 2: Jeff was on earlier.

1289
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 3: I'm here now. Holidays.

1290
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:32,919
Speaker 2: Everybody's different places, different times on the road, they say,

1291
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Speaker 2: record numbers of people trying to get where they have

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01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 2: to go over the hills and far away to Grandma's

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01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 2: house or wherever else for Christmas or Hanka Klans or

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01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 2: whatever you're into, maybe just a vacation. I have friends

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01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 2: sending me text with pictures of iguanas climbing trees and

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01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 2: Marco Island, Florida. James Rapine headed home from Miami after

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01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 2: checking out the Bengals and the dolphins getting it on

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01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 2: down there, and the Bengals get a big dominating abuse

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01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 2: of wind for those fish, which, by the way, it's

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01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 2: like a mammal, right, it's not really a fish, but

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01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 2: they do swim in the sea, and I like a dolphin,

1302
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It was really warm there yesterday,

1303
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 2: but I was glad to see the who Day wins

1304
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 2: well to pick on James Rapine in his brain about

1305
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 2: what's coming on after the eleven o'clock report conversation with

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01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 2: him I had, and then some other stuff. So wherever

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01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 2: you're going, in whatever you're doing, I hope it's good,

1308
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 2: I know it could make it a whole lot better.

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01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 2: About three minutes and fifty seconds away from right about

1310
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 2: now for the next drawing of the power Ball. If

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01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 2: you're keeping score at home, it is one billion, six

1312
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 2: hundred million dollars in the fool On jackpot, which is

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01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 2: paid out as an annuity over like twenty or thirty

1314
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 2: years or whatever it is, or you could get the

1315
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 2: cash out value and then taxes after taken out. That

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01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 2: amount is a staggering to me, seven hundred thirty five million,

1317
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 2: three hundred thousand dollars. And that's still just an estimate

1318
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 2: because there's still money. It's being worked out fast carry

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01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 2: outs and drive throughs and wherever else you get tickets

1320
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 2: right now they're just printing them like there's nobody's business,

1321
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 2: so that number is possibly going to go up at

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01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 2: this point. I have never won really anything, and I

1323
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 2: did not get to the tickets for this one, So

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01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 2: in all honesty, I don't mean this disrespectfully. I would

1325
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 2: like for you to do well in your life. I

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01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 2: would love for you to be able to win. Joe Waddell,

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01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 2: I appreciate you and everything you do. I'm not trying

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01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 2: to weasel out any money if you actually cash in

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01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 2: and the big money. But all I'm saying is I

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01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 2: would like to be able to get into the next drawing.

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01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 2: So if you don't win, now, that's fine with me.

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01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 2: But you know, even the regular measily just start over,

1333
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 2: begin again. Number is enough for most normal, reasonable, rational

1334
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 2: human beings effectively lived the rest of their lives without

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01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 2: much of a worry. And time and time again, what

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01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 2: is amazing to me? And until I guess you've walked

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01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 2: in another shoe, it's hard to necessarily like judge or

1338
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 2: at least make sense of a circumstance. But the numbers

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01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 2: are outrageous of people who have won fat, historically large jackpots.

1340
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 2: And I don't know about internationally, like over in the

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01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 2: UK and other places they have big lotteries, but I

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01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 2: know in the United States the number, I mean, it's

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01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 2: easily beyond like sixty percent of people who cash out big,

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01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 2: they end up often in worse financial situations after the

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01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 2: money is won, which I can't process how that could happen.

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01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 2: I mean, you would have to work really hard to

1347
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 2: spend that kind of money. And the only thing I

1348
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 2: can think of is if you don't have anonymity, you

1349
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 2: get overwhelmed by beggars and hangers on and leeches and

1350
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 2: sucubus and people trying to just like termites, just suck

1351
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 2: out every bit of money they can from you, or

1352
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 2: people just don't know how to live within your meanings.

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01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 2: And even if it was only a third of the

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01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 2: seven hundred and thirty five million dollars, you're still talking

1355
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 2: what two hundred and twenty five two hundred and fifteen

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01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 2: million dollars. Even if you just lived off this simple interest,

1357
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 2: if you spread that around, if it was just something

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01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 2: ridiculous like all of two or three percent, right, I

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01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 2: mean you would have to struggle. I would have to struggle.

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01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 2: I can't process helping charity after charity, Cincinnati Animal Care

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01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:25,759
Speaker 2: rescues for animals, you know, at risk kids, families issues,

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01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,480
Speaker 2: and give people you know the weight off their shoulders.

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01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,480
Speaker 2: I mean, after you even did all that I just described,

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01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 2: there'd be a fortune left. So hopefully if you win,

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01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 2: you do not become a cautionary tale and someone that

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01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 2: later on, I try to, like quismically, try to make

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01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 2: sense of how the circumstance didn't bode well for you.

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01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people probably are just quietly

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01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,679
Speaker 2: you keep the anonymity. I don't think I would tell anyone,

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01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 2: I really don't. I mean I would get counsel, I

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01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 2: would get a good CPA, and I would just I

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01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 2: don't think I would changed the way I live or

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01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 2: what I do.

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01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 3: I'd still show up.

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01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 2: Here to do this, which is maybe crazy, but I

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01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 2: mean it's something I love to do, and I mean

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01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 2: that would be effectively, officially what you would call few money, right, Like,

1378
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 2: for any particular reason you did not want to deal

1379
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 2: with anything you didn't want to deal with, you could go, yeah,

1380
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:24,640
Speaker 2: I'm not bothered by that, I'm through with it, and

1381
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,640
Speaker 2: then you could just comfortably, quietly just get up and

1382
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 2: walk away, which is probably a big weight off your shoulders,

1383
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 2: because what they say is people worrying about stress of

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01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 2: money and you know, finances and the future and health

1385
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 2: care cost and everything else is as bad in the

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01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 2: way it affects people who are on the lower end

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01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:47,640
Speaker 2: of that scale, where desperation and unsure you know, outcomes

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01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 2: with those things are concerned. It's just as bad as

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01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 2: somebody having a history of heart problems and major health

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01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 2: issues genetically predisposed. So there is a lot of stress

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01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 2: about where the food's gonna come from, and the roof

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01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 2: over your head, and the shoes on your kids feet

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01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 2: and everything. And I would think a billion, six hundred

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01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 2: million dollars would probably cover that worry for the rest

1395
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 2: of your days and probably generation after generation after that,

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01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 2: at least, I would hope. So so good luck to you.

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01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 2: We'll let you know what those numbers are post haste.

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01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if it's Lee Mallen or in fact

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01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 2: if it's Brady Hopkins, but one of them will be

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01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 2: in the booth giving you news right now that matters

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01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 2: to us here in the tri State and a round

1402
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 2: planet Earth on the Home of the Bengals, the best

1403
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 2: Bengals coverage with James Rapine joining me next talking who Day,

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01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 2: plus the Reds, the Musketeers, the Bearcats, Me Sterling, Gary,

1405
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 2: Jeff r Willie, Eddie and Rocky. We're all here, including

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01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 2: Joe Waddell. News Radio seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati.

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01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 3: All right here where you go.

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01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 2: It's the Monday after Sterling hanging out seven hundred wy

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01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 2: W from parts unknown, something money and warmer than your

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01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 2: thousands of the Mason Dition like closer to the Atlantic yea,

1411
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 2: the Atlantic nothing, gul What am I talking about? South

1412
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 2: Florida bound and homeward bound sooner than later? James Rapine

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01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,759
Speaker 2: of course locked on Bengals Cincinnati Bengals talk enter the Jungle,

1414
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 2: which I think in time for Christmas is still available.

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01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 2: You're still in the warm What is going on?

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01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm living it up, starling every ounce of warmth

1417
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 8: I can get.

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01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take no doubt.

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01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 2: I respect and admire that I want to talk about

1420
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 2: this whiplash weather, but it also is a whiplash Bengals

1421
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 2: team from being shut out by the Ravens to going

1422
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 2: into the Dolphins place in Miami with a rookie quarterback,

1423
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 2: and really especially the second half, it seems like they

1424
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 2: just put on a clinic like they were doing what

1425
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 2: you would have expected this Bengals team to do most

1426
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 2: of the season.

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01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's I think there's certainly somewhat could have

1428
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 8: been when it comes to watching that offense and Bo

1429
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 8: Burrow and Jamar Chase and you know, all of the weapons,

1430
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 8: and I think that's it is. T Higgins has battled

1431
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,759
Speaker 8: the concussion symptoms and everything that he's had.

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01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 1: Well when he was out there, you know, with Jamar

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01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 1: and Joe, you're.

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01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 8: Like, oh man, these guys they're just so good, they're

1435
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 8: so special. And you also saw a young defense that

1436
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,440
Speaker 8: was opportunistic that forced some turnovers.

1437
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 1: You know, they forced that fumble, it didn't come to them.

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01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 8: They vetted a pass in the air to force that

1439
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 8: second interception, they get off the field on fourth and short, like,

1440
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 8: those are big plays that they do deserve credit for,

1441
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:43,599
Speaker 8: but it does feel hollow because they improved a five

1442
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 8: and ten, right, and that's that's just not where we expected.

1443
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 8: That's certainly not where I expected this team to be,

1444
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 8: and they didn't expect to be there either, And so

1445
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 8: I get the hollow feeling.

1446
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 1: And I also understand.

1447
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 8: How good it is to see them play the way

1448
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 8: they should have played for most of this season.

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01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 2: I think No, I mean, I think that's about as

1450
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 2: great of an overview and a sad reality is what

1451
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 2: we're all getting. But Chase Brown, you know, scores three

1452
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 2: times the defense, like you mentioned, you know, a couple

1453
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 2: of what two three take three takeaways. Openly, I mean,

1454
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 2: that's huge and it is sort of for not but

1455
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 2: this is good for their psychology, right, and is it

1456
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 2: good for the fan?

1457
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 3: Base and this situation.

1458
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 2: I tell you, I felt a whole lot better yesterday

1459
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 2: afternoon and evening than I did a week ago and

1460
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:34,599
Speaker 2: going into Christmas week. And I don't know why it should.

1461
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 2: It has nothing absolutely to do with me. I didn't play,

1462
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 2: I didn't win, but we all seem to walk differently

1463
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 2: when that team does well.

1464
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, there's no doubt.

1465
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:50,720
Speaker 8: I think that it has such an impact, and it

1466
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 8: has such an impact if we go like really high

1467
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 8: overview because we know how good they can be with

1468
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 8: Joe at quarterback. I was talking to someone before the

1469
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 8: game yesterday with the Dolphins, and I won't go any

1470
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 8: farther because I don't want to get.

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01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: Him or her in trouble.

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01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 8: Yes, but he's like, well, he's like, I can't believe

1473
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 8: I gave it away right away. But it's so hard

1474
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 8: to find that guy at quarterback. And so when you

1475
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 8: find it, you do have a little strut in your walk.

1476
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 8: You do feel a little more confident because you know

1477
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 8: you have a chance. And so as a as a city,

1478
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 8: and I think as a fan base, Bengals fans look

1479
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:35,600
Speaker 8: at it and say, well, if we have Joe, we

1480
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 8: have a chance. And for the past three seasons, it

1481
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 8: hasn't really felt that way.

1482
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 1: It felt it's felt.

1483
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 8: Like they've wasted him, and so they need to figure

1484
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 8: that out in this offseason. And I think that's my

1485
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 8: big takeaway from Sunday.

1486
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 1: Is, Oh, Joe's still that guy. Jamar still that guy.

1487
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 1: He's still that guy.

1488
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 8: You can turn this around really fast when you have

1489
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 8: those dudes, because everyone else in the league wants those dudes.

1490
01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 1: You have them, So it's up to the organization to

1491
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: turn it around.

1492
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 2: And a hurd Yeah, and that really is James Rapine

1493
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 2: by the way, from Lockdown Bengals Cincinnati Bengals talk and

1494
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 2: enter the jungle of the book, which is perfect for

1495
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 2: Christmas time and stocking stuffing if you're looking for something

1496
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 2: last minute. Not that this is an ad, it's not,

1497
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 2: but I just because I think it's cool and I

1498
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 2: got you on the lines and you're hanging out in Miami.

1499
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 3: Still, I'm not jealous at all.

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01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 2: There's two games left, So do they go balls out

1501
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 2: to just do what they can against the Cardinals into

1502
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 2: the Browns or do you start seeing them work through

1503
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 2: some other things and see what else they have? Depth wise,

1504
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 2: is they try to figure out off season moves.

1505
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 8: No, I think I think they're one hundred percent going

1506
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 8: to push forward.

1507
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 4: Now.

1508
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 8: They're already playing a lot of their young guys yea,

1509
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 8: And so it's not like there are a bunch of

1510
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 8: guys that are just unknowns.

1511
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: There are certain guys that I'd like to see more of.

1512
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:57,560
Speaker 8: You know, you want mckimmy Jackson getting a bunch of

1513
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 8: snaps and to see what he can do. But talking

1514
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 8: about a second year defensive tackle, right there's not a

1515
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 8: former third round pick.

1516
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: There's not like a smar Stewart.

1517
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 8: Of course, he got to play him and he's healthy

1518
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 8: and hopefully that continues. But no, overall, like from a

1519
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 8: Joe Burrow Lamar Chase perspective, I think all those guys

1520
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 8: are going to play, and I think that this is

1521
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 8: going to be a team that pushes for that seven

1522
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 8: and ten mark, which again is going to feel hollow.

1523
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 8: And I think they are going to be fans that

1524
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 8: are disappointed that they put to that hard to get

1525
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 8: to seven and ten, and they very well could would

1526
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,599
Speaker 8: not surprise me one bit if they handle business over

1527
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 8: the next couple of roots.

1528
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:40,599
Speaker 2: James Rapine was sterling seven hundred WLW locked on Bengals

1529
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 2: talking Bengals, and of course a very nice trip for

1530
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 2: them to South Florida to take on the Marlins. And

1531
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 2: people were upset when I said the fish. I realize

1532
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:50,680
Speaker 2: that it is not really a fish, the dolphin. It's

1533
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 2: a whole nother thing. It's a mammal. I guess it's

1534
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 2: got a blowhole. That's all I know. But that being said,

1535
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 2: we look at people really were effect they distrol for nothing,

1536
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 2: and I kind of enjoy it. But anyway, as you

1537
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 2: look at this and you see what the team is

1538
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:13,639
Speaker 2: capable of, and you wonder, is it We've joked about

1539
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 2: it before, but I mean, did they bear Like do

1540
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 2: they build on a burial ground at pay Corps? And

1541
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 2: what was synergy Riverfront? Is there something beyond this? Because

1542
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 2: it seems like, well, if we could just get a

1543
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 2: better start, if you can just somehow keep the quarterback healthy.

1544
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 2: I mean, it is one thing after another. And I

1545
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 2: do realize that only a handful of teams actually get

1546
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 2: to the playoffs, and only a handful of teams get

1547
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 2: there regularly and get to the super Bowl regularly. But

1548
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 2: you want to a playoff caliber caliber football team, obviously,

1549
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 2: But it just seems like it's all you write this story,

1550
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 2: you go, really what happened?

1551
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, the answer is yes, right. All off season

1552
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 8: it was the it was the oh, they got to

1553
01:17:58,360 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 8: start fast, or of course you do, you got to

1554
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 8: start past and they did. They started to and oh

1555
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 8: all right, well there's still fifteen more games.

1556
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 1: And what they need is they need.

1557
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 8: To understand that, yeah, their quarterback might get hurt. The

1558
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 8: world can't end. It got to be able to survive.

1559
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 8: As great as Joe is, you got to be able

1560
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 8: to survive without him. And so how do you build

1561
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:19,600
Speaker 8: a roster that puts Joe in position to succeed and

1562
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 8: your Super Bowl contenders.

1563
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:22,879
Speaker 1: With him and without him?

1564
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 8: You're a competent football team that can go four and

1565
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 8: five without him.

1566
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 1: Let's say he misses nine games again, which he doesn't

1567
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 1: want to. They don't want him to. Hopefully he doesn't, right.

1568
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 8: But going one in eight without Joe, like if they

1569
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 8: had just gone four and five under five hundred average team, right,

1570
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:40,640
Speaker 8: it's completely different.

1571
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 3: And they're still they're still on the hunt.

1572
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:47,599
Speaker 8: They probably win the division too, you know, because because

1573
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 8: some of these some of these games that were kind

1574
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 8: of up in the air would have felt different when

1575
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 8: Joe comes back, it just feels different.

1576
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 1: Everything everything would have changed.

1577
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 8: And so that's that's where I'm at is you need

1578
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 8: to have a competent team. That whether it's Joe Burrow

1579
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 8: or Joe Flacco or one of the other backups. I

1580
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 8: don't think it should be Jake Brownie be on record

1581
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 8: now and I like Jake, but I think we saw

1582
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 8: you know it just it can't work. So whoever that

1583
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 8: guy is at quarterback, if Joe goes gets hurt, the

1584
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 8: team around him needs to be good enough to be

1585
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 8: an average team, and the coaching around him, by the

1586
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 8: way they're coaching around him, needs to be good enough

1587
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 8: to be an average team. And that's up to the

1588
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 8: front office, the organization, ownership, all of the above to

1589
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:35,679
Speaker 8: make sure they push the right buttons of the sawt

1590
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 8: season to get that.

1591
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 1: Part of it bout.

1592
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 2: James Rapine from Cincinnati Bengals talk with Sterling on the

1593
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 2: big one. We're short on time. I appreciate you making

1594
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 2: it a hanging out in South Florida. You're not like

1595
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:45,640
Speaker 2: even at the beach or trying to get out of

1596
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 2: there to get back home. How fun is it? By

1597
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 2: the way, looking forward to coming back to the tri

1598
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 2: State and the cold.

1599
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, the cold part I'm not looking forward to.

1600
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 1: I am looking forward to being home. Yeah, but the

1601
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 1: cold element.

1602
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 8: If I could just bring home here, let's just say,

1603
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 8: I can say put it that way. Still, no move's

1604
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 8: coming anytime soon, but it is always tempting when you

1605
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 8: leave one of these tropical places.

1606
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're like, well let's go back to twenty degrees.

1607
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 4: You know.

1608
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's art worried, but it'll be like fifty sixty.

1609
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:14,759
Speaker 2: This Christmas week is weird. I'm sure we'll get punished

1610
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 2: for it. I'll take it all day, every day. Yeah,

1611
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 2: this defense. They've drafted a lot high picks for a while.

1612
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 2: Is it coaching? Is it them not being able to finish?

1613
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:30,640
Speaker 2: Aside from how good they looked yesterday.

1614
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 1: It's it's a little bit of everything. I think they're young.

1615
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 8: I think that some of the draft picks that they're

1616
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 8: banking on weren't ready for the roles that they've been

1617
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 8: put in.

1618
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:50,000
Speaker 1: But I go back to the off season and just.

1619
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:54,559
Speaker 8: Not adding proven guys when you're any win now scenario.

1620
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 8: Rookies couldn't be able to walk in the starting zones,

1621
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 8: and that's what Demetrius Knight did. I mean he walked

1622
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:05,639
Speaker 8: into one. And I'm not being mean to Demetrius. Barrett

1623
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 8: Carter essentially did too when they benched Logan Wilson. And

1624
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 8: so you're talking about two rookie linebackers, like you should

1625
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 8: have to earn your way onto the field. It should

1626
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 8: have to be hard to get into the starting lineup,

1627
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:19,559
Speaker 8: and it just isn't. I mean, they're playing all their

1628
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 8: rookies right now, substantial time on defense. I mean they

1629
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 8: need any and everything, and so the hope would be

1630
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 8: that all this experience this season that they learned from

1631
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 8: it and can be building blocks moving forward. I do

1632
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 8: think Miles Murphy has been a right spot, like he's

1633
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 8: been a guy that has gotten more reps, has shown it.

1634
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 8: DJ Berner another one back, still another one. So there

1635
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 8: are some guys on defense that I think should start

1636
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 8: next year. But man oh man, do they need They

1637
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 8: need to add some proven talent this offseason. And I

1638
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 8: think that was their biggest mistake coming into this spear.

1639
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, so, well, go get some boat drinks

1640
01:21:57,880 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 2: or whatever you can get before you hop on that plane.

1641
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 2: Tell you not to do that, Stay hydrated, and we'll

1642
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 2: look for your Christmas time and into the bank.

1643
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 3: Yeah they Yeah, well I.

1644
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 2: Don't know who they are that I've been told, you know,

1645
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 2: the alcohol in the air, you know, three miles up

1646
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 2: going five hundred miles an hour, Yeah, that it will

1647
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 2: suck the hydration right out your body.

1648
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 1: All right.

1649
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, sitting here where I am looking

1650
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 2: outside going out, it seems really extraordinarily warm for the season.

1651
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 2: But watching and listening to that game yesterday and having

1652
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,640
Speaker 2: it look like summertime, I think boat drinks are a

1653
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 2: mandatory thing.

1654
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 1: But that's just me.

1655
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I don't know, Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

1656
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 2: So it's a Cardinals in town on Sunday, a couple

1657
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 2: of days after Christmas, and then of course the Browns

1658
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 2: come in after the new year. So we'll see how

1659
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 2: they go. You think they win both or or they

1660
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 2: go fifty to fifty on this or what, And then

1661
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:52,760
Speaker 2: I'll let you go. Not that you're like the prognosticator,

1662
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:53,919
Speaker 2: predictor or otherwise.

1663
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 1: But maybe I picked them to brush the Dolphins and

1664
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:00,080
Speaker 1: they did that. Now I think you did it.

1665
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 8: I think they'll handle business against the Cardinals. The Browns

1666
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 8: is a real toss up, and I would consider. I

1667
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:09,680
Speaker 8: would consider, especially if you beat the Cardinals kind of

1668
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 8: pulling things back in that Browns game.

1669
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 1: I don't think they will, but I would.

1670
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 8: Do you want Miles Garrett potentially coming after Jill Burrow

1671
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 8: for a sack record?

1672
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 1: Ok? I just don't really want to deal with those problems.

1673
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 1: But that's just me.

1674
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 2: So you put flack of it. Let him take a

1675
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 2: beating for a guy who's almost a senior citizen. I

1676
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 2: see how you are sling out.

1677
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 3: You kidding me? I mean there's not enough pads to

1678
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 3: keep me safe. I'm just saying.

1679
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 2: But I mean, if I could get the league minimum,

1680
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 2: sure even for the Lake minimum. Yeah, all right, sure,

1681
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:43,719
Speaker 2: I mean check, I'm trying to get your paid.

1682
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 1: All right.

1683
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad somebody is. James Rapine, thank you for

1684
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 2: looking out for me? My god, where have you been

1685
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:49,599
Speaker 2: on my career?

1686
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 1: A lot? Don't say that now, wait till those hits happened.

1687
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 2: Well that's true, that's only it only takes one and

1688
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:56,640
Speaker 2: I've already had a few concussions.

1689
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 3: I think it makes sense.

1690
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 2: I have fallen on my head off a piece of

1691
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 2: modern art on the Square A downtown, but that's another show.

1692
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:04,639
Speaker 2: And another talk. Oh yeah, yeah, that's why I wear

1693
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:08,599
Speaker 2: a lot of hats man literally and figuratively. James Rapine,

1694
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals Talk. Locked On Bengals, You do it all

1695
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 2: and enter the jungle in time. It does sort of

1696
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 2: fit in a very large stocking unless you get the

1697
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:18,559
Speaker 2: electronic copy if there is one.

1698
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 1: There's non electronic copy yet.

1699
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 8: If there is, maybe I'll have Sterling do the voice

1700
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 8: for it, because it certainly shouldn't beat me.

1701
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, you got to you gotta

1702
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 3: find voice. I appreciate you too.

1703
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 2: If I don't talk to you before you and have

1704
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 2: a fantastically Christmas time and we'll catch up sooner or later.

1705
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 2: And my best of the family rapeen this holiday.

1706
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 1: Thanks to appreciate you.

1707
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 3: Take care of yourself. I appreciate you too. That's James Forrapene.

1708
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 2: Locked On Bengals, Cincinnati Bengals Talk more Sterling coming Back

1709
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 2: seven hundred WL do.

1710
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:49,639
Speaker 3: All kinds of Love for the age of news, traffic

1711
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 3: and Weather. News Radio seven hundred w l W, Cincinnati.

1712
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 2: And retired general says it's the test Perck example of

1713
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 2: unt military consequences.

1714
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 3: Well, if you're eleven thirty report, I'm ley Mawan breaking.

1715
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 2: Now we could end up with, you know, thousands of

1716
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Speaker 2: migrants showing up on the shores of Key West.

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Speaker 3: As you know, they run out of food and every