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Speaker 1: This is your do you believe in miracles?

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Speaker 2: Leader Fan Fan Radio Network, Believe and k FA and

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Speaker 2: dot Com. Three minutes and eight seconds past the hour

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Speaker 2: three o'clock Central Standard time, Bumbara Bumber shows back live

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Speaker 2: local and I think it's a three hour tour today.

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Speaker 2: We're out at six o'clock this evening. That's my understanding

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Speaker 2: for ongoing coverage of the say high school hockey tournament. Correct, Yes,

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Speaker 2: that's become a tradition. I think we've been out the

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Speaker 2: last several years on Friday at six o'clock tonight, and

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Speaker 2: we look forward I think to a very good broadcast

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Speaker 2: up until then. Lots of good stuff to discuss, and

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Speaker 2: we'll give you details on the Uglydeck dot Com guest

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Speaker 2: lineup in just a couple of minutes. Now, miracle is

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Speaker 2: a relative. I mean, you could say it should never

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Speaker 2: be used again because of what it refers to, right

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Speaker 2: the al Michaels moment, nineteen eighty miracle of Lake Placid.

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Speaker 2: But there are I mean, if there are such things

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Speaker 2: as minor miracles that also I think draw us to sports,

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Speaker 2: and that today happened to be very timely. For example,

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Speaker 2: you can maybe speak to this in more depth than

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Speaker 2: I can. Common was telling me as he passed the

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Speaker 2: baton between the noon to three program and three to six,

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Speaker 2: in this case, the Friday Football Beast also known as

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Speaker 2: the Afternoon Ardvark, hosted by the A Hole in the Afternoon.

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Speaker 2: That'd be me. Brett Blakemore is in the producer's chair

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Speaker 2: again today. So Class A high school hockey tournament. Did

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Speaker 2: Warrow just score like three goals in eight seconds or something?

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Speaker 3: It was like maybe a minute and a half. It

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Speaker 3: felt like they were down two thing to who del Delano?

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Speaker 3: Then they score three in a row four Mike.

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Speaker 2: Yo, exactly. Yeah, they score two quick ones.

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Speaker 3: Delano takes a stupid penalty, puts them on the power

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Speaker 3: play if they score again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we just fell off. That's I think that is.

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Speaker 2: Now we're at the end of the second period of

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Speaker 2: that game, so there's still time for Delano to recover.

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Speaker 2: Is that correct? Yes, but it stands at three two.

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Speaker 2: I would call that, I mean, miraculous might be too much,

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Speaker 2: but that's a pretty stunning turn of events. And then

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Speaker 2: there's are you familiar with the dateline State of Iowa?

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Speaker 2: Miracle that apparently took play came across my desk yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Did you see it or did you heard about? I

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Speaker 3: spend many a day in that arena. Did you real

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Speaker 3: where did this take place? So that was when I

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Speaker 3: was a kid. It was Wells Fargo Arena. Now it's

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Speaker 3: the Casey's Center, but it's in Des Moines where the

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Speaker 3: Iowa Wild And this was the class probably five.

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Speaker 2: This was for a chance. It's listed here as Iowa

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Speaker 2: Class four, a chance to advance to the four to

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Speaker 2: a championship game. Birth And I saw the video of

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Speaker 2: this this morning without knowing too much about the teams.

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Speaker 2: I think the teams were Dallas Center Grimes High School

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Speaker 2: against Norwalk High School. Okay, and Norwalk is up six

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Speaker 2: with less than a minute to go, less than a

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Speaker 2: minute to play, and Dallas Center Grimes sophomore Ava Smid

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Speaker 2: scored eight straight points inside the final minute of the game.

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Speaker 2: Have you seen the video of it? Okay, you have

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Speaker 2: seen it as well. I'm not sure. I'm looking at

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Speaker 2: a tweet from somebody named Josh Reynolds. Never, I never,

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Speaker 2: in my life, I repeat, have seen something quite like

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Speaker 2: this when and absolutely insane ending in this Ohio State

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Speaker 2: girls basketball tournament. What in the world did we just see. So,

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Speaker 2: with about forty seconds left, what's the name I gave you,

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Speaker 2: Ava Smid catches an inbounds pass from a teammate, banks

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Speaker 2: it off the glass for a quick layup. Then she

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Speaker 2: Then she did it again to give d CM its

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Speaker 2: first lead of the game, eight to oh run in

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Speaker 2: nineteen seconds. Oh my mercy, what just happened? That's the

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Speaker 2: announcer proclaiming it as Smid capped off a personal eight

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Speaker 2: they hit free after a miss norwalk jumper, so they

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Speaker 2: end up winning by five final score forty seven to

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Speaker 2: forty two in a game that I know on the

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Speaker 2: high school level we get craziness like this from time

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Speaker 2: to time, But I thought I saw, like, was it

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Speaker 2: two or three straight inbounds passes under the basket in

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Speaker 2: So I'm not sure you could probably watch basketball for

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Speaker 2: improbably because it's I'm sure there have been other late

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Speaker 2: inbound the ball again, ball gets stolen layup. Bizarre finish.

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Speaker 2: So there are major miracles, and then one can say

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Speaker 2: there are minor miracles, but those two hockey tournament here

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Speaker 2: standing out, although again there's a whole a full period

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Speaker 2: to go. And in the case of the Class A

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Speaker 2: game between war Roade and Delano, but the winning team

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Speaker 2: moves on. The losing team's got to be I can't

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Speaker 2: even you want to talk a thriller victory, an agony

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Speaker 2: of defeat. How do you get over even as a

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Speaker 2: high school kid, that kind of lost.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we should know all about basketball, you know,

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Speaker 3: sudden losses, because if you recall, going back to the

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Speaker 3: history machine of last November, the Wolves blew an eight

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Speaker 3: point lead with a minute last ye right Phoenix. That

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Speaker 3: was I think they had a ninety nine chance to

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Speaker 2: I gotta believe. Again, on high school games, they probably

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Speaker 2: don't keep odds on this. But if you're you're up

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Speaker 2: six in that situation with less than a minute left, now,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, do they have three point shots there?

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Speaker 2: I guess that would in that in Iowa high school.

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Speaker 2: I assume they got by this point. So you know

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Speaker 2: that did come down, but it didn't. But it didn't.

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Speaker 2: You know, in this case, it was all two point

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Speaker 2: layups taking place. Yep, absolutely stunning. An eight to ozho

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Speaker 2: run by one player in nineteen seconds of the the

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Speaker 2: ball game. Absolutely stunning, absolutely remarkable. Smid. After the game,

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Speaker 2: I was just guarding. You don't want to let them

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Speaker 2: translate them to buckets. We never had a doubt that

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Speaker 2: we're going to win this game. Come on, you had

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Speaker 2: a doubt. Come on, Ava, you had a doubt. I

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Speaker 2: she did all of that and more. I wonder, what

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Speaker 2: What's that? Is that the highest level? Or is that

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Speaker 2: second highest in Iowa? That's second highest? Five as highest? Okay?

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Speaker 2: So how big are those schools nor Walk and DC Grimes?

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Speaker 3: You know they're I mean, they're still big, but they're

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Speaker 3: not quite as big as like mine. When I went

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Speaker 3: have two thousand, okay, so it'd be probably little, probably

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Speaker 3: one thousand or last team under it.

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Speaker 2: It loses something without watching it. I mean, we could

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Speaker 2: video is better because you sort of have to see

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Speaker 2: it to believe what took place actually indeed did take place.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of miracles, the goal to go for women's basketball

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Speaker 2: team needed one and didn't get it. I was listening

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Speaker 2: to Guardi's called just as we wrapped up as a

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Speaker 2: Common wrapped up his show, our dream has died to

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Speaker 2: advance in the Big Ten tournament, we lose. Will you

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Speaker 2: look up the score? I think we ended up losing

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Speaker 2: to Ohio State by five, yes, sixty to fifty, sixty

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Speaker 2: I wasn't watching it's it, I don't It was a

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Speaker 2: very uncharacteristic game for the Gopher women's team. They had

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Speaker 2: I believe over twenty turnovers in the game, and that

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Speaker 2: they are one of the best turnover teams in the country.

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Speaker 2: I think they finished with twenty one twenty two turnovers.

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Speaker 2: That's not going to work. So the Big Ten run

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Speaker 2: ends early. We would have played top seed UCLA tomorrow afternoon.

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Speaker 2: We're now out the team's position in the postseason. The

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Speaker 2: Big Tournament is cemented. I mean, it's not like this

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Speaker 2: I don't know is whether losing this early because had

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Speaker 2: what top sixteen status where you have a chance to

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Speaker 2: have the first two rounds at home. I don't know

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Speaker 2: how all those permutations work. I might even text Guardsy

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Speaker 2: But in that game, by the way, you could hear

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Speaker 2: women's game on KFE and plus, and then we got

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Speaker 2: all kinds of hockey tonight on KFE and plus for

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we actually have if you want, we do

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Speaker 3: have Falness live on the call for this current game

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Speaker 3: so what's that on that's on our YouTube channel right now.

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Speaker 2: It's outstanding. Yeah, so we got everything covered, including not

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Speaker 2: just you know, the big schools, but the quote unquote

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Speaker 2: smaller ones as well. That's good. We may do that later.

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Speaker 2: Although I hate satisfying fondness in any way, shape or

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Speaker 2: for this follow us whine about the officials as much

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Speaker 2: called a wild game, I bet he'd be. I bet

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Speaker 2: All right, let me we'll give you the We got

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Speaker 2: an outstanding guest lineup today, including not only two regulars,

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Speaker 2: a while. I want to get kind of do a

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Speaker 2: trade deadline round up as it pertains to your Minnesota

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Speaker 2: Wild club because there were no miracles there. We didn't

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Speaker 2: get any of the big names that we'd fantasized over,

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Speaker 2: but we made a number of of moves that I

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Speaker 2: like the way. See if you agree with the way

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Speaker 2: Russo put it, the Wild basically overhauled their bottom six.

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Speaker 2: Is that a good way to describe it, which doesn't

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Speaker 2: have to be awful, might be helpful depth matters, But

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Speaker 2: you didn't probably get anybody that's going to change the

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Speaker 2: But we'll get to that. We'll lay out the moves

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Speaker 2: if you have not been listening or been paying attention

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Speaker 2: to that, we'll get Blakemore's reaction to each and every

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Speaker 2: guest at the bottom of the hour. Yeah you said it, Haloby,

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Speaker 2: the weight is over.

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Speaker 2: Trader Billy G makes the moves, Russo tweets out the

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Speaker 3: The textbook sunken costs fallacy, right, like you've made a

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Speaker 2: I think that's I don't know if he would acknowledge that,

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Speaker 2: And I'm not comparing that deal to the herschel Walker

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Speaker 2: Robert Smith. Way better than mediocre? You say, how did you?

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Speaker 2: First of all, how did you discover that? And uh?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? So you know, hey, Dan, thanks for having me again.

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Speaker 4: Always good to talk to you. But man, yeah, it

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Speaker 2: Well, you took the right approach. I do give you

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Speaker 4: Well, but here's here's the thing, Dan, more than anything else,

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Speaker 4: And I hear these throwaway comments and they're just dumb. Dan,

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Speaker 4: the Morning to explain this, but they don't like their

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Speaker 4: hosts sounding dumb, so they didn't even let me on

428
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Speaker 4: the show to talk about this. But Mike Greenbird made

429
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Speaker 4: this comment more than twenty years ago about you know,

430
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Speaker 4: guaranteed kind and you know, well, you should talk to

431
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Speaker 4: your union, and unions don't guarantee contract. It is the

432
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 4: dumbest conversation that exists in sports, in my opinion, because

433
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 4: it's illogical, like there there is no reasonable way to

434
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Speaker 4: guarantee everybody's contract on a ninety man roster, and you

435
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 4: know what, even if you did, and it's not possible,

436
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 4: first of all, and it doesn't happen in baseball and basketball,

437
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 4: and like, I didn't want to bog down the conversation.

438
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Speaker 4: But even if you made an owner guarantee every deal

439
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Speaker 4: or a GM guarantee every deal, all they would do

440
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 4: is say, fine, will just give you a shorter deal. Then,

441
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 4: like it's it's just such a dumb thing that gets

442
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Speaker 4: repeated so often that people believe it's true.

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Speaker 2: Well, Nuance died a long time ago, Robert Smith, you

444
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 2: know that as well as anybody, and so that's a battle.

445
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Speaker 2: And I know you've been fighting that particular battle on

446
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 2: guarantee stuff for a long time. By the way, I.

447
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Speaker 4: Wonder, I wonder if I wonder if Nuance had way

448
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Speaker 4: better than mediocre.

449
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Speaker 2: On maybe I want maybe a one time. I just

450
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Speaker 2: played the breaking news sounder because another Vikings announcement center,

451
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: Ryan Kelly, has announced his retirement. This is not totally surprising.

452
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: He battled more concussion issues and it ended up being

453
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Speaker 2: what seemed to be on paper a great acquisition, ended

454
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Speaker 2: up being very disappointing. And I don't know, here's the

455
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 2: thing you might be able to speak to on that.

456
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 2: You know, the we learned later that he had already

457
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: before he got here a pretty significant concussion history. So

458
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 2: then you get back into that how much should that

459
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Speaker 2: enter into your willingness to sign a player like that

460
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Speaker 2: in free agency, even if you like, you know, at

461
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: his best what he might offer, because it's just that

462
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 2: part of it that that particular experiment just did not

463
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 2: work out for the for the Purple.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know those are always going to be

465
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Speaker 4: individually decided. You know, it's interesting, especially you know as

466
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Speaker 4: we get out of the combine weeks. You know, each

467
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 4: team will make its evaluation of players, and they can

468
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 4: have vastly different reports on you know, an injury or

469
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 4: post injury assessment of a player at the combine, and

470
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Speaker 4: certainly when you get into the league, some teams are

471
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Speaker 4: going to put more weight in it, and you know

472
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Speaker 4: it's easy to second guess it after the fact. Well,

473
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 4: it's clear that you shouldn't have made that decision, But

474
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Speaker 4: then you had two a tongue of by law a

475
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Speaker 4: couple of years ago, and he had a couple of incidents,

476
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Speaker 4: and that's another one that pisses me off. And I'm

477
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Speaker 4: not even going to get into that. People just assuming

478
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Speaker 4: you had a concussion the one time when they said, O,

479
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 4: that was actually a structural back issue. But anyhow, after that,

480
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 4: people just assume well, you know, there's no way he

481
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 4: should play anymore and you can't take those chances. And look,

482
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 4: his doctors know better than you do. And for people

483
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Speaker 4: that think that a doctor is going to risk their

484
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Speaker 4: career to try and make a decision that's going to

485
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Speaker 4: help it to like just it's another one. It's another

486
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Speaker 4: one of those that doesn't make any sense. But people

487
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 4: in you know, the Twitter sphere and yeah fans sphere

488
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 4: like like to say it's it's always an individual.

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Speaker 2: Well and the unfortunate part again regardless, uh is now

490
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: again the Vikings need a center, as it turns out

491
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: the Bears do too, But it's it's it's the interior

492
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: part of the Vikings offensive line has been an ongoing

493
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: issue for this team, and a team that has some

494
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: significant salary cap issues, they are improving them, I guess

495
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: because of some restructuring. That's another I guess thing, another

496
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Speaker 2: you know, challenge going forward that you have to somewhere,

497
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Speaker 2: I assume, either find a center or or believe in

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Speaker 2: one of the ones that you've used at the position

499
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Speaker 2: quarterback is the other thing I want to talk about

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Speaker 2: with you. Why are you so publicly rooting against JJ

501
00:29:55,000 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: McCarthy what has happened around Smith in that regardless I

502
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: knew Chris Carter was it not? You go ahead, but.

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Speaker 4: I can't tell.

504
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Speaker 2: Is that sarcasm, Well, it's sarcasm on the basis of

505
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: it's it's it's it's my attempt to give you a

506
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: chance to Also, speaking of X, talk about what you

507
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: tweeted and the way some uh mac bobo's as I

508
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: call them, the McCarthy fans seem to take offense or

509
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: seem to assume that you were taking a position on

510
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Speaker 2: the quarterback position.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just those things are hilarious. These things are just

512
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Speaker 4: so absurd, but they are fun.

513
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Speaker 2: They are like.

514
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Speaker 4: You'll you'll say, wow, I think maybe we should get

515
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 4: an experience backup that has a low cap number because

516
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,959
Speaker 4: he has a high guarantee somewhere else. And they're like,

517
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Speaker 4: why do you hate our quarterback? Why do you wish

518
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Speaker 4: death upon our quarterback?

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Speaker 2: That's it?

520
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 4: Come on, man, thats not what I said it. But yeah,

521
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,479
Speaker 4: this one, especially now you're talking about, you know, Kelly

522
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 4: being gone. I'm hearing this. What's this guy mazed down

523
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 4: at Carolina? Maybe an option at the center spot, but

524
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 4: clearly you're gonna have some issues and you always have

525
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 4: some issues, whether it's or most teams have some issues

526
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 4: up front. It's great to have a mobile guy, so

527
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 4: all the more reason, you know, to have a guy

528
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 4: like Kyler Murray. And it's and to me it's it's

529
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 4: certainly not giving up on JJ McCarthy. I thought at

530
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 4: the time that it was the right move to let

531
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Speaker 4: Sam Darnald go. And you know, you can go in

532
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 4: with aces and get cracked right, like, it can be

533
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 4: a right it can be the good decision. And I

534
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 4: you know, objectively, now maybe it wasn't the right decision,

535
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 4: but that's maybe that's arguing after the fact. You can't

536
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 4: just say because Sam Darnald with that defense you know

537
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 4: that won the Super Bowl, that it's automatically the right decision,

538
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 4: and that JJ got hurt and was in concistant, like

539
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 4: it's just too early to tell. Well, I'll give you

540
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Speaker 4: let me have the guy. I was a good decision

541
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 4: to have somebody else anyway.

542
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Speaker 2: Yes, I agree with that. I'll give you what has

543
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: developed since the season, as the reporting on this story

544
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: from people that I do trust that I think aren't

545
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: shock jocks, they're pretty responsible. The apparently the belief the

546
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: Vikings had after last season was all right, it's not

547
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: going to work on Darnold because for all the obvious reasons,

548
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 2: we do not want to give him three years, one

549
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: hundred mil whatever he ended up getting. You know, the

550
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: clock is ticking a little bit on JJ, but we

551
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: do want to hedge our bet a little and we

552
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: want to hedge it with Daniel Jones. They thought they

553
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: had convinced Daniel Jones to take what essentially was the

554
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: same contract that he ended up taking with the Colts

555
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: UH to stay here as the hedge, And as it

556
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: turns out, Daniel Jones I think was smart enough to say, look,

557
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: I get it, this is a good earnest offer, but

558
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 2: you know, and I know that you guys want to

559
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: start McCarthy soon. And Indianapolis they've got a quarterback, another

560
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: young quarterback, but he's already been there two years and

561
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: they're already starting to sour on Richardson. Therefore, I got

562
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: a better chance to be the starter in Indianapolis than

563
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Speaker 2: I do here. And it turned out to be one

564
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: hundred percent accurate, and I think that's what they so.

565
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 2: I think they did realize we got to have somebody

566
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Speaker 2: else that we can that can be our insurance card

567
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: in case JJ can't stay healthy again, or if we

568
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: think he's further behind than we expected. And unfortunately that

569
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: card went away when Daniel Jones left, and then they

570
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: were left scrambling with names that we all know, the

571
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 2: names that are pretty familiar, but none of them really

572
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 2: capable of helping you out all that much.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think you know, when you look at

574
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 4: a situation, this is almost a no brainer. You know.

575
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 4: Apparently Kyler Murray is a big you know, Vikings fan.

576
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 4: Uh you know, he's got that uh you know that

577
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 4: the big guarantee from Arizona. So you get him for

578
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 4: a really low number, so it addresses those cap issues.

579
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Speaker 4: And you have the situation with AJ McCarthy where he's

580
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 4: got a full that's another thing, right, he's got a

581
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 4: fully guaranteed deal. So they do exist. But anyhow, uh,

582
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 4: you know, playing under a rookie deal like it's it's

583
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 4: as good as you can possibly get. You're in cap jail.

584
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 4: You need you need another option there anyway, And if

585
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 4: you have a guy like that with such a low

586
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 4: cap hit hit you got, you think you got to

587
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 4: take that chance, you know, doesn't work out we're gonna see.

588
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's that's why it's fun though, right, Like,

589
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 4: that's what really makes the shows interesting and gives us

590
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 4: more fodder on different programs. By the way, before I

591
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 4: end the show, big big announcement me and Pete burst,

592
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 4: Oh nice.

593
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: All right, we'll say.

594
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 4: Doesn't involve marriage or anything like that, but it's a

595
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 4: big anounce.

596
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: All right, we'll get to that. We'll save that to

597
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: keep to keep the audience guessing the rest of the segment.

598
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 2: You're I need you see, I'm not. I am not

599
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: captivated with Murray. I understand that again, he represents what

600
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 2: you say you can get him minimum price. Literally, I

601
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't what I have seen, I guess

602
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: I don't buy the notion that well, he didn't have

603
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: anything around him, I think, I mean, like like like

604
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: last year. Uh, I think it was Brissette replaced him

605
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: after he got hurt. He had better numbers than Murray

606
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 2: did last year. I don't trust him now. I admit,

607
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: you got to get somebody, and every choice has flaws

608
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: right there, that you're not going to get a great,

609
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: great quarterback in his prime. But you got to convince

610
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: me on him now you've done some of his games,

611
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 2: so maybe you've seen enough.

612
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 4: But I.

613
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: Don't trust that that he can run the kind of

614
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: offense that they want to run, which asks for a lot.

615
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 2: His numbers, as I recalled over the middle, which is

616
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: a lot of what this coach wants to do, I

617
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: don't think are very good. And I just look at

618
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: like the last four years quarterback ratings. I got him

619
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Speaker 2: at twenty fifth, sixteenth, twentieth, it.

620
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 4: Was two years ago.

621
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Speaker 2: Two years ago he had a good QBR. He had

622
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: a top ten QBR. Actually, so that's that's fairness and savagery.

623
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Speaker 2: That's fair to say too. I just think he's one

624
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 2: of those guys who are always going to look at man,

625
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: look at the talent if you could ever bottle it.

626
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: But I think he's been around too long for me

627
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 2: to necessarily want to trust him. But see, I'm such

628
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 2: an incurable romantic. I still want them to go after

629
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. That's how sick I am.

630
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 4: Why in the world would you want to do that?

631
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 4: I don't know.

632
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 2: I I can't help you.

633
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 4: Why would you want Why would you want to be

634
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 4: in a position to have to root? Well, I guess

635
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 4: you want to root against him. So yeah, I mean, yeah,

636
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 4: they're they're different incentives here. You want to root against him? No,

637
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 4: you want there.

638
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 2: I want the story, I admit it.

639
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 4: I want.

640
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: I just think it would be just like when FARV came.

641
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 2: It was such a hillacious story and no one knew

642
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: how it was going to come out, and it came

643
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: out really well the first year, not so well the

644
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: second year. And I get it. You look at some

645
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: of Rogers numbers, they're not that much better than than

646
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: than Kyler Murray's. But for some reason, I still have

647
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: this feeling if you put him with JJ and you

648
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 2: put them with this quarterback coach, I I don't know.

649
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: I I now, there's no sign they're interested at this point.

650
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 2: So it's it's it's moved and I don't know. I mean,

651
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: who else is out there? Gino Smith doesn't excite me either,

652
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: although some people think he was just a victim of

653
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 2: a bad team. I like the guy behind uh Perty.

654
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 2: But you might have to give up to mac Jones,

655
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 2: might have to give up too much to get him.

656
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 2: And then there's then there's kirkoh cousins are still there too,

657
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: So I don't know.

658
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean you know when you when you

659
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 4: look at Kyler Murray though, and the fact that he's

660
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 4: twenty eight years old, and the fact that you're going

661
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 4: to get him for such a low number, and the

662
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 4: possibility that he could be your guy, right, like, he

663
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 4: could be the franchise guy, and you know what you

664
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 4: what you avoid is having to pay JJ McCarthy market

665
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 4: after his rookie deal expires. Right, So he's get the

666
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 4: best of both worlds with that. But I understand it,

667
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 4: like and and thank you for admitting it, like you

668
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 4: love like and there's nothing wrong with it. No, there's

669
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 4: nothing wrong with loving what would what the story would

670
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 4: be with Aaron Rodgers? But please, I had to. I

671
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 4: had to root for Brett Farv, who, like I had

672
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 4: this visceral hate for before you, yeah, went to Minnesota.

673
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 4: And I don't make me do it for Aaron Rodgers,

674
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 4: like I just I just don't know that I you could.

675
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 2: You don't think you could rise above it.

676
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 4: I'd be lying if I said I can't do it.

677
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 4: But it would, it would It would take every bit

678
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 4: of strength.

679
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 2: No, that's honest. That's that's very honest that I and

680
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 2: there are a lot of people who but I I

681
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: said to fans, who's told me the same thing when

682
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 2: fire came. I said, I'm telling you, if he turns it,

683
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 2: you're gonna you'll find a way. And obviously that first

684
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 2: year he was terrific until he wasn't through across the body.

685
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 2: We know all that story. I here's the other thing.

686
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,959
Speaker 2: And and this speaks once again to the McCarthy part

687
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 2: of this thing, because there are people who believe that

688
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: if you bring Murray in, he's the starter period, full

689
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: stop for this season. So do you end up running

690
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 2: the risk that you are gonna lose that that you're

691
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: you're pulling the plug on McCarthy earlier than you should,

692
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: or do you say, look, this is this is not

693
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: show friends, this is show business. You can't worry about

694
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: hurt feelings. You gotta do what you gotta do. And

695
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: the fact is, you know, this team needs somebody else

696
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: that they can throw into this mix. And if that

697
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 2: means McCarthy has to sit another year, he's got to

698
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 2: sit another year.

699
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and ultimately it's it's it's about winning, right, Yeah,

700
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 4: And that's why crazy isn't there now?

701
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 2: Right, That's part of the reason that's true.

702
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 4: And if if the decisions that you make don't end

703
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 4: up getting a team where they need to be, then

704
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 4: you know, tough, right, that's the business. Yeah, you know,

705
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 4: and we love how brutal that part of the business

706
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 4: is because ultimately that's what makes it so compelling. It's

707
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 4: the ultimate reality television when you have those types of decisions, uh,

708
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 4: and the impact that they have on an organization, especially

709
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 4: at that position, right, Like you just you cannot afford

710
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 4: to miss at that position, at least continually. Right, You're

711
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 4: going to have some misses. But I think if he's

712
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 4: if he's there, if you think that he's automatically the guy,

713
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 4: then you know, maybe you have moved on from JJ

714
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 4: McCarthy because at least I would think that they would

715
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 4: believe in what they've seen from JJ McCarthy, if they

716
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 4: really believe that he's the guy, and if they really

717
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 4: have seen the development that Kyler Murray coming in is

718
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 4: just going to motivate him and it will truly be

719
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 4: an open competition.

720
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 2: Let me ask you, I don't know if we talked

721
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 2: about this during the season or now, but I'm curious

722
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 2: to get a former player's view on this, because we

723
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: talk about this stuff and we've not we've been in

724
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 2: locker rooms to visit them. We've not been in lockers

725
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 2: locker rooms because we were part of that culture. So

726
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 2: one of the things that developed over the course of

727
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: the season with JJ was stuff like, you know, on

728
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 2: game day, I'm a different person there, I'm number nine,

729
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: And he had this alter ego and he would talk

730
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: about these sorts of things from time to time that

731
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: on the outside, I'd go, come on, man, just just

732
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 2: go play for a while before you get into all

733
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: the alter egos stuff. And then maybe people accept it,

734
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 2: but you haven't done anything yet. But then I say, well,

735
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 2: maybe players don't care about that stuff. So I don't

736
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,479
Speaker 2: know if you were in the locker room. You've worked

737
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 2: with a lot of quarterbacks with that kind of stuff

738
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: with it kind of put a something in you go, man,

739
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, that's that That doesn't give me

740
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: a good feeling, or you think it's much ado about nothing,

741
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: that sort of peripheral stuff.

742
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 4: You know, there's some interesting context here. So you know,

743
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones got that transition tag. Yes, yes, and the

744
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 4: last guy, the last guy to get the transition tag

745
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety six Atlanta Falcons was Jeff George. So Jeff

746
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 4: George was the guy that I played with, Yes, and

747
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 4: we absolutely loved Jeff George. We I mean we loved him.

748
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 4: Coaches hated like like I swear me rest in peace.

749
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 4: But Danny, if Danny Green could have strangled I believe

750
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 4: he very well would, like, Hey, if you're the quarterback

751
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 4: and we know you can play, man, do your thing,

752
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 4: that's true, do your thing like if you gotta you

753
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 4: gotta ruffle some feathers somewhere, you go ahead and do

754
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 4: it right. Because those those kind of guys, if you

755
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 4: know that they can win you games, you're you're gonna

756
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 4: you're going to forgive a lot uh with you know,

757
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 4: kind of the way that they need to get it

758
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 4: done as long as they get it done.

759
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 2: But that's the thing I mean, I think I'm assuming

760
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: that Jeff George is what you guys knew, is that

761
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 2: kid could sling it.

762
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 4: Now.

763
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 2: He could also run away from a fumble, which we

764
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: saw in a playoff game, which I think you were

765
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 2: probably a part of. That was probably one of those

766
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: moments Denny wanted to strangle him. But I think even that,

767
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: I don't think JJ has has you know, proven yet

768
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: that that's where he is. So again, well, well I

769
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 2: always have felt I think you do too. He deserves

770
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: more time. I don't think you can say, whether it's

771
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 2: here someplace else, that he should not have more time

772
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: to figure out what he can be right. But some

773
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 2: of that stuff, I think it gives people pause if

774
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 2: you're inconsistent, and if you're driving people crazy with that stuff,

775
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: if you're a great players.

776
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 4: But here's the thing. Here's the thing though, Dan, like

777
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 4: they're arounding him every day, they're running him in practice. True,

778
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 4: see what he does in practice and what happens in

779
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 4: a game. I mean, there are so many other variables.

780
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 4: And I'm not trying to make excuses for him, but

781
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 4: there are other variables that players know the reality, especially

782
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 4: when they're watching the film, right, you see, hey, well

783
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 4: we see that this guy missed this block and so

784
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 4: you couldn't step up. That's why he didn't. In as

785
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 4: much as on game day, you see the reaction from

786
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 4: the receivers and you know they're human, right, they're going

787
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 4: to show the emotions and they're going to show the frustration.

788
00:44:58,440 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 4: But when they get in the film room and they

789
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 4: see why something happened and why a quarterback doesn't make

790
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 4: a certain throw, it helps them understand kind of the

791
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 4: context of why it didn't go the way that they

792
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 4: hoped it would go, and so their confidence may not

793
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 4: be as shaken in somebody as someone who's not in

794
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 4: that film room kind of hearing that information and context

795
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 4: for the whole play.

796
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: Is it fair to say you would rather the Vikings

797
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 2: get Kyler Murray than Gino Smith if those are if

798
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 2: those end up being the viable choices for the same reason,

799
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 2: right low contract, because they're getting paid out or bought

800
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: out and you know you don't have to worry about

801
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 2: paying them a lot of money.

802
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 4: Like that said that one's not even close for me,

803
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 4: And that's not an insult that Gino. No, it doesn't

804
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 4: have to, but it's just not even it's yeah, it's

805
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 4: it's just not even close to me. You're talking about

806
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 4: a twenty eight year old guy, the way that he

807
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 4: can move. And look, I've I've i've had you know,

808
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 4: we've had the opportunity to call some of his games,

809
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 4: and yeah, he's given up on some of the plays early.

810
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 4: But you know, we've seen this from from Kevin O'Connell before.

811
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 4: Kind of the way that he works with guys and

812
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 4: the way that he can get some things out of guys,

813
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 4: and just you know, the simple matter of time and

814
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 4: maturity and development. You know, I just think that he's

815
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 4: a better player and a more mature player that he's

816
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 4: been in the past. And Geno, I just I don't

817
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 4: think physically he just he doesn't have you would want

818
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 4: and you know you want some and as mobile as

819
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 4: JJ is, he's just not Kyler Murray, right, Like the

820
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 4: just aren't guys like that.

821
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 2: But he's also got injury issues. He's had difficulties staying

822
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 2: healthy too lately the last few years he had, you know,

823
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 2: last four years.

824
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 4: I mean, I get that part of it, but I'm

825
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 4: just saying, like the explosive part of it and the

826
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 4: element that he brings that other people just don't have

827
00:46:55,719 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 4: and can't recreate, that extra bit could be the difference, right,

828
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 4: That ability to escape just that one extra time, But

829
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 4: you know what, the ability not to be able to

830
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 4: see right over the middle on one of the third

831
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 4: and eleven's that might be the difference too. That's why

832
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 4: it's fun to talk.

833
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: About Texas from the seven to sixth three. This is

834
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: a Steve from andover I admire Robert Smith more than

835
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: many running backs because he ended his run before he

836
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: was injured or the team didn't want him anymore. That

837
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 2: might that's pretty good on the tombstone too, Do you

838
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: like that on the tombstone? Better or worse than way

839
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 2: better than mediocre? It's not as funny, it's for sure.

840
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 4: And you know, well, I mean, I'm sure you know

841
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 4: as the injury history in the first four years in

842
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 4: the league banged up as much as I was last

843
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 4: four years mostly healthy. But my last year was the

844
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 4: only season that I didn't miss any games, and I

845
00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 4: still need a knee surgery.

846
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: That's right.

847
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 4: Remember like my goal before the sea like I really didn't.

848
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 4: It's like I want to be healthy, like I don't

849
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 4: want to get an MRI. And that's what I was,

850
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 4: seriously said that I don't want to have to get

851
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 4: a damn MRI uh this season. And I still had

852
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 4: to get the MRI. But it made sense to me.

853
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 4: You know, it's better to walk away early than limp

854
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 4: away light. Yeah that I just knew I would. I

855
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 4: could have been because it was that first a CL,

856
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 4: that first a c L when I tore it when

857
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 4: I was a rookie. I didn't just tear the A

858
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 4: C L. I cracked the bottom of the femur, and

859
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 4: I did some damage to that articular surface, that cartilage,

860
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 4: that smooth cartilage, So that kept wearing down, and so

861
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 4: I had to have multiple microfractures, including after that last season.

862
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 4: So that's it. You know, that's that pre arthritic condition. Yea,

863
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 4: it can just get worse, and you know, quality of

864
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 4: life is everything to me.

865
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 2: That was Yeah, I think that was that was very close. Well,

866
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 2: as I recall it, what you've told us before is

867
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 2: you obviously could have come back, but then there was

868
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 2: gonna have to be major wasn't gonna have to be

869
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: more rehab then? And you and at some point you go,

870
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 2: I don't want to I don't want to keep doing that.

871
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 2: I'm not I don't want to go through that process anymore.

872
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 2: Wasn't that part of it at the time.

873
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 4: No, I mean there would have, there would have been

874
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 4: some rehab, but it was more thinking about well if

875
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 4: I come back and play, Yeah, there's I'm gonna keep

876
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 4: damaging I'm gonna keep damaging that part of my knee.

877
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 4: I'm gonna need a knee replacement at some point and

878
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 4: here I am two days after my fifty fourth birthday.

879
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 4: Didn't hear anything about that. Uh, I'm an adult three

880
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 4: times over now, Dan.

881
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 2: Think about it. Uh, happy birthday.

882
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 4: And I and I and I still and I still

883
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 4: haven't had a knee replacement.

884
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 2: And pretty good.

885
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 4: I don't as far as to say I'm embarrassed by

886
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 4: how good I feel, because it was like, well, shit,

887
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 4: maybe I can, maybe I should have gone and played more,

888
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 4: but I feel really good.

889
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I know and and your head in tactoo

890
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 2: that that should not be uh taken lightly either. Well yeah,

891
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 2: well pe von X say that about several of us

892
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 2: in that regard. So what's the big Peter Bursts announcement?

893
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 2: It better not be you guys are going to start

894
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: doing some kind of a podcast where you won't come

895
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 2: on with us anymore during the season.

896
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: Oh well, the second part of that, you don't have

897
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: to worry about it. Oh good, first part about that, Absolutely,

898
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: we are going to start doing a podcast and pending

899
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: some sort of copyright issues. Yes, the name of the

900
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: show is going to be Spam and hopefully we'll be

901
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: able to get Spam as a sponsor at some point.

902
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, Pete and I have had enough of this. We've

903
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 4: had enough of this where we're not sharing our view

904
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 4: on anything. We feel like we should be able to

905
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 4: share it on and wait for other people to call

906
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 4: us under.

907
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 2: Their show that's great, that's not good, that's outstanding. And

908
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 2: so when is it gonna when's the world premiere? Do

909
00:50:58,920 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 2: we know yet?

910
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 4: That's a good question, that's a good question. He's got

911
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 4: all this stuff set up, Carci, does you can have

912
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 4: Pete on and ask good I'm guessing next week. So

913
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,240
Speaker 4: there's no there's no point. Yeah, there's no point in waiting.

914
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 4: It's fairly simple to do. We're not real worried about

915
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 4: quality obviously, so yeah, we'll get.

916
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 2: So it's so two of you guys just just chopping

917
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 2: it up. And so is it gonna be like once

918
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 2: a week? How does it work in the podcast world?

919
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 2: Because I'm the I'm like, yeah, person left doesn't one.

920
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 4: That's a good question, And I was thinking about that,

921
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 4: like we should just we should just do it whenever

922
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 4: we feel like it. We won't kill people with you know,

923
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 4: two hour podcasts all the time. I think it'll probably

924
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 4: be more you know, thirty to forty minutes.

925
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's smart, is what I tell me, that's the length.

926
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 4: Say what you got, say what you gotta say, Get

927
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 4: off the damn air.

928
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what we'll do.

929
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 4: Uh but yeah, we'll probably do it a couple few

930
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 4: times a week, especially a free agency. Things pop up

931
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 4: and you know, it's crazy. Thirty thirty almost thirty two

932
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 4: years I've known pH, So we've got it. We've got

933
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 4: a lot of stories to share, I'm sure. Yeah, over

934
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 4: the years being in the locker room and all that stuff.

935
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to that. The key they tell me

936
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 2: is you can't do a podcast or two of them

937
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 2: one week and then skip two or three weeks and

938
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 2: then that that regularity. You can overdo it, but that

939
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 2: you've got to have a fairly regular schedule if you

940
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 2: want your podcast to take hold. That's the only advice

941
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 2: I've heard, for whatever it's worth, is don't let it

942
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 2: disappear for six weeks and then you come back for

943
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 2: three and then you know that kind of thing. That's

944
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 2: what apparently what drives people crazy.

945
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I can see that, and there's a there's

946
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 4: enough that like I hear things and like this guaranteed contract,

947
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 4: Like I can't believe that I've been hearing this for

948
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 4: twenty one years, but I hear enough things throughout the

949
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 4: course of the week. Yeah, I'm sure, Pete. Does that

950
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 4: get him fired up? We'll have plenty to talk about.

951
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, no question. Well, like I said, as long as

952
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: we can still get you on and him on occasionally too,

953
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: that'd be that'd be great, because it occurred to me

954
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 2: like it's been way too long since you've been on.

955
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 2: On the other hand, I think it's good to take

956
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 2: breaks sometimes because I probably bugged you too much. So

957
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 2: there's a middle. There's probably a happy meeting in there somewhere.

958
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 4: So you know, no, no, no, you know, I've never

959
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 4: gotten a call from you and said, damn it, I

960
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 4: really don't feel like this.

961
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 2: Oh that's nice to hear.

962
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:24,240
Speaker 4: Always something to talk.

963
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,439
Speaker 2: There is, and you got and you got something to say.

964
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 2: That's that's the beauty of it. So that's it. Everybody wins.

965
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 2: All right, Well, we will look forward. We'll plug it

966
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 2: as much as you want, text me details when you

967
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 2: get closer, and be glad to plug the podcast and

968
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 2: we'll have you on again very very soon.

969
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 4: Don's good man, Thanks man, be good.

970
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: As always, and happy belated birthday.

971
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 4: Thank you very much. You can say happy early birthday too.

972
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 2: That's also true. Be good Robert Smith, always good to

973
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 2: catch up with him. We've got Ben Gestling in about thirty.

974
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 2: We've got the redoubtable levet ol E Neal the Third

975
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 2: at five