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Speaker 1: Paul Danner Junior's here for like the first time in

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Speaker 1: a month. Good afternoon on my legger. This is ESPN

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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty. Thank you for listening. Hook you're having that

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Speaker 1: at an awesome Tuesday afternoon. The Reds are seven and three.

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Speaker 2: They don't hit, but.

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Speaker 1: They sure do field and they've got some arms. We'll

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Speaker 1: do that coming up in the four o'clock hour. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna help out Nicolodolo. I'm not breaking out any new

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Speaker 1: hand lotion or hand ointment, but I think I have

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Speaker 1: an idea for him. We'll try to make the Reds

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Speaker 1: offense better. All of that is coming up a little

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Speaker 1: bit later on show. Preview is available right now on

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Speaker 1: member today go to share facts dot org. Because it's Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: and because things are getting back to normal around here

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Speaker 1: with off days and doing shows out of town and

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Speaker 1: stuff like that. Paul Danner Juniors with us from the

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Speaker 1: Athletic dot Com covering the Bengals, also the Growler podcast

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Speaker 1: and with us now.

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Speaker 3: It's been a while. It's good to see you. It's

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Speaker 3: good to be back. I felt feel like I'm back.

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Speaker 3: It does feel like we're kind of back now, Yes,

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Speaker 3: in the routine. Yes, A couple of weeks to the draft,

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Speaker 3: A lot to talk about. There's a lot of speculation season.

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Speaker 3: There's lots of stuff.

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Speaker 2: There is lots of stuff.

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Speaker 3: There's lots of small stuff, big stuff, Yes, speculus stuff.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I'm I'm, I'm, I'm excited. All right.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if an hour will be enough because

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Speaker 1: that's how much stuff I have.

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Speaker 2: I've got it all in this notepad here.

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Speaker 3: I would say that I'll try to be succinct, but

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Speaker 3: you and I know that's a lie.

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Speaker 2: All Right, I want to start.

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Speaker 1: I want to start with uh with the draft, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because I have I have a little bit of an admission.

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Speaker 1: I am treating this draft the way my daughter treated

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Speaker 1: Christmas two Christmases ago. Or if you said to my

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Speaker 1: what are you gonna get get? What are you gonna

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Speaker 1: get for Christmas? What do you asking santaphore? What are

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Speaker 1: you hoping under the tree? She would say Barbie camper,

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Speaker 1: and you would go, cool, what else? Don't care? Barbie camper? Okay,

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Speaker 1: if Santa brings the Barbie camper, what do you want

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Speaker 1: Grandma to get you don't know. Okay, what do you

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Speaker 1: want mommy or daddy to get you?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I want the Barbie Camper. That's me with Caleb Downs. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I was relieved. I listened to Who Daylight while

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Speaker 1: you were out of town covering the owner's meetings without

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Speaker 1: any Bengals owners listening to Jay Morrison and Mark Shalafu,

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Speaker 1: and they addressed I think what all of us started

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Speaker 1: to think about when the Bengals acquired Kyle Dugger, which

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Speaker 1: is a good acquisition. That's a good acquisition, but it's

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Speaker 1: does that take Caleb Downs off the table? And Jay,

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Speaker 1: Who's march Madness pool I won, eased my concerns and said,

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Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily take him off the table. That's all I

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Speaker 1: care about. You got your mock draft for I printed it.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about it. There's other positions, there's needs

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Speaker 3: I certainly hope that Caleb downs career ends up better

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Speaker 3: than the Barbie Camper did at my house. Oh yeah, boy,

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Speaker 3: that was an overrated item. The Barbie camper is still around.

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Speaker 3: The Barbie Camper comes, by the way, with a lot

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Speaker 3: Downs will be that and and that's maybe the best news.

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Speaker 3: First of all, I want to make sure it's clear

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Speaker 3: this is not going to be some you know, throwing

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Speaker 3: cold water on Caleb Down's conversation. I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: everybody's happy. It's a great thing. I do think that

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Speaker 3: Maybe whatever. You're just trying to get the best players

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Speaker 3: More playmakers who are smart football players could send this

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Speaker 3: So there's nothing not to like there. I do think

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Speaker 3: It's easy to get fixated on somebody like that Barbie Camper.

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Speaker 3: Barbie Camper, understandable, but you know there's there's other stuff.

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Speaker 3: There's Barbie Dreamhouse. Yeah, right, there's a bike. Maybe you

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Speaker 3: just I can't get past it. I the more you

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Speaker 3: them in multiple ways, in ways that they historically have

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Speaker 3: Delayne McCoy and down stack up as a trio, But

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Speaker 3: it's a bike. You know what, The bike will take

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Speaker 3: me place as that Barbie Camper never could mode.

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Speaker 1: But I think in writing about this, you offered perspective

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Speaker 1: that's needed because DJ Turner tax Hill obviously are up

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Speaker 3: Something they've done a lot, You're right, I mean you

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Speaker 3: I mean we've seen them enter these situations and it

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Speaker 3: really you know, let's not act like the T Higgins

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Speaker 3: Like everybody there, even Tea himself kind of has said

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Speaker 3: I just think that that's a problem. And whereas at

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Speaker 3: The way we're cutting, yeah, the way the twenty four

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Speaker 3: But like, you have guys and all those bisis and

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Speaker 3: It just seems like all of these places holes have

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Speaker 3: And here's two guys that will likely one of them

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Speaker 3: Whatever that is that it just keeps standing out to me,

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Speaker 2: It just feels like such a Bengals pick.

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Speaker 1: Jermal McCoy would be the bike because there was also

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Speaker 1: a bicycle purchased that year, and we've gotten more use

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Speaker 3: And I think you know, Caleb Downs may be a car,

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Speaker 2: But I don't, you know, I don't best.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a debate they're having internally right now,

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Speaker 3: probably up until before the draft that'll continue to go

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Speaker 3: on exactly what that it looks like if that scenario

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Speaker 1: Is there a world where both those corners of there

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean probably. I mean there's definitely a world.

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Speaker 3: I mean this happens every year where it doesn't go

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Speaker 3: the way you think the mock drafts Colling mean, we

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Speaker 1: Paul Daaner Junior. When Duke Tobin talked in whatever that

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Speaker 3: Do you remember the year where Joe Toney was available,

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Speaker 3: I think there's a chance that they're going to sit

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Speaker 3: And I think it's a good debate and conversation to have.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't do it.

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Speaker 3: I would ask for a wellness check on al Golden

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Speaker 3: Because you know, it's a just what makes you better

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Speaker 2: It's the ultimate luxury pick. Yeah, and they just don't

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Speaker 3: You're coming off three consecutive non and take take you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you and Jay did the wants versus needs thing,

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Speaker 1: an issue to use it on a running back. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And this is nothing against the caliber of player we're

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Speaker 1: bring them in for a visit. Awesome, But it's like

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Speaker 1: the ultimate luxury pick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there.

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Speaker 3: You know what my take on this would be. I

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Speaker 3: If you if you're trying, because you know so many.

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Speaker 2: Out of that.

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Speaker 3: It's largely because you've got to place that person into

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Speaker 3: Like you put you PLoP him down in the Giants,

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Speaker 3: He's not gonna save everything, right, you PLoP him down

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Speaker 3: Zach Taylor's been here, because all they do is throw

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Speaker 3: I would just say, give me another offensive lineman for

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Speaker 1: For those who want the Bengals to do this, to

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Speaker 1: wide receiver, wide receiver you see Yeah, just dude looks

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Speaker 2: Yeah, great guy, sign me up. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think you're talking about it for you're probably talking about.

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Speaker 3: were getting a way better prospect than that that exists

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Speaker 3: at those two positions, and they've got those four picks

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Speaker 3: in the sixth and seventh round. It feels like a

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Speaker 3: great place where that would land. But yeah, for the

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Speaker 3: right guy you're having, you're having a lively conversation at

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Speaker 3: the start of day three. I would think at that spot,

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Speaker 3: if it's a guy like Caldwell or whoever shoot I mean,

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Speaker 3: and also a developmental guy right makes sense here where

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Speaker 3: you don't need him immediately. You're hoping somebody that Troy

443
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Speaker 3: Walters can get a year with and this off and

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Speaker 3: watch how Jamar and t operate, and all of a

445
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Speaker 3: sudden that person can become a guy before too long,

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Speaker 3: when you know andre Yo Sabash is out the door,

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Speaker 3: maybe next year or whatever you're dealing with him. He's

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Speaker 3: his last year's contract, and then somebody can be there

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Speaker 3: to step in. I think that's kind of probably how

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Speaker 1: Get out your scorecards and your pencils. You're not getting

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Speaker 1: of the Bengals in twenty twenty four, appeared in twenty

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Speaker 1: two games over the last couple of seasons. Keishan Tillery

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Speaker 1: and Mustapha Cham the latest names to put their names

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Speaker 1: in the transfer portal opened up in college basketball today

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Speaker 1: and hockey. This evening, big game for the Columbus Blue Jackets.

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Speaker 1: They've lost sixth straight. They're at Detroit tonight. Both Jackets

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Speaker 1: and the Red Wings are two points behind the Senators

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Speaker 1: for the final wildcard spot in the Eastern Conference. Paul Dayner,

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Speaker 1: junior from the Athleticas here what was with cutting Matt Lee.

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Speaker 3: That's a weird one, right, It's very out of out

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Speaker 3: of character in terms of timing of things. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Otia's are about to happen. It's normally a guy like that,

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Speaker 3: a twenty twenty four seventh round pick, you would assume

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Speaker 3: that he would just be coming in and going through

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Speaker 3: and he's fighting for a roster spot. There's no seemingly

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Speaker 3: no value in cutting him now versus letting him come

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Speaker 3: in and see how he plays and maybe he got better,

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Speaker 3: and otherwise you let him go right before the season starts,

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Speaker 3: Like there's no difference. So hard to say exactly what

501
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Speaker 3: that's about. I can tell you what it means, though.

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Speaker 3: I guess we're gonna move INTI your offensive lineup the

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Speaker 3: needs chart. I mean, you know again, like this is

504
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Speaker 3: the same thing as the Tyson Anderson conversation. Well we're

505
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Speaker 3: going there next, Yeah, we're going there next. I mean,

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Speaker 3: and we can lumpies together. Why not just bring back

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Speaker 3: Lucas Patrick. Yeah, Like, first of all, we know no

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Speaker 3: one loved Lucas Patrick last year. Right, he can play

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Speaker 3: center as a backup. He's a reliable vet. He blended

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Speaker 3: it in the room. He gives you another option at guard.

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Speaker 3: You talked so much about how great the chemistry was

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Speaker 3: in that room last year.

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Speaker 2: He can just let him go to the Giants.

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Speaker 3: There's no that's a nice serviceable depth piece to have,

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Speaker 3: especially if.

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Speaker 2: You knew that you were moving on from that Lee. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Like, and so if he's not part of the answer,

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Speaker 3: now you just have a hole, right, another hole with

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Speaker 3: the draft self created two and a half weeks away, right,

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Speaker 3: And that's fine, Like it's a good draft for centers

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Speaker 3: or whatever, but you just keep adding those on and

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Speaker 3: some of the stuff you're not and maybe whatever. I

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Speaker 3: just it just seems like you have this thing that

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Speaker 3: you know that you felt like you liked. Everybody got along.

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Speaker 3: That was a big part of what was great last year. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: why not just bring back Lucas Patrick and give him

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Speaker 3: the you know one or two mill or whatever that

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Speaker 3: that you uh.

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Speaker 1: That you just did. I just with Matt Lee, you

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Speaker 1: invested two years in him. He's a seventh rounder, so

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Speaker 1: there's he's developmental. You put time into him when he

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Speaker 1: has played. I certainly don't think he has stood out

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Speaker 1: for being awesome, but I've not spent any time the

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Speaker 1: Monday after a game going whole boy. When Matt Lee

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Speaker 1: was in the game, it was a disaster. You're not

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Speaker 1: asking him to start. He's playing behind Ted Carris. That's

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Speaker 1: a good guy to learn from. Like it just the

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Speaker 1: it's weird.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. It's weird.

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Speaker 3: I mean he's had injuries, right, So I don't know,

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Speaker 3: like what the impact that you know, that's there's some

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Speaker 3: things you just never know in terms of what else

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Speaker 3: is going on there, how he's doing, how he's doing,

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Speaker 3: will you know?

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Speaker 2: But I don't.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know, like what exactly the reason it

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Speaker 3: just it certainly doesn't what we do know about Matt Lee.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't necessarily fit what you would have expected. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean I assume there's something else that we don't

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Speaker 3: know going on there.

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Speaker 1: I like the Kyle Dugger signing because it's exactly the

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Speaker 1: type of player that they didn't have last year. He's

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Speaker 1: also exactly the type of player I wish they would

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Speaker 1: have signed so far at linebacker.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, he fits in that mold of a helpful player,

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Speaker 3: a guy who's played you'd be comfortable throwing into a game,

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Speaker 3: he expects to play, he knows what's going on. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean that's a great signing, the type of signing,

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Speaker 3: and you'd expect you just would like to see a

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Speaker 3: few more of those.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 3: I mean linebacker certainly feels like the type of spot

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Speaker 3: that you would have thrown a guy like that into.

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Speaker 2: I like the Dugger signing.

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Speaker 3: I thought that was a good, solid move and now

567
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Speaker 3: you've got three starting caliber level safeties and that make

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Speaker 3: you feel feel good about where that position is at.

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Speaker 1: Did signing Kyle Dugger mean that they couldn't figure out

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Speaker 1: a way to keep special teams? Say, he's Tyson Anderson

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Speaker 1: who leads for Denver on a one year, one and

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Speaker 1: a half million dollar deal.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what are we doing right?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Like, look, what is the role of your fourth safety

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Speaker 3: other than you would hope to have an elite special teamer?

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Speaker 2: Okay that you have that? What he is? You have

579
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Speaker 2: that guy right? You know?

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Speaker 3: At the combine I asked Darren Simmons about Tyson and

581
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 3: he was just effusive and how important his versatility is.

582
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 3: He can do so many different things. So in every

583
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 3: year you've got so many young guys on those special

584
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Speaker 3: teams units to be able to deploy somebody to do

585
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 3: different tasks depending on where you're at each year is massive.

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Speaker 3: He he could be your personal protector, which is one

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Speaker 3: of the most important spots.

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Speaker 2: He can do it.

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Speaker 3: He can do it all, and people like him. He's

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Speaker 3: very much a like, you know, top of the line

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Speaker 3: guy in terms of the locker room. He's like an

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Speaker 3: ideal number four. And to just let him roll out

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Speaker 3: for one point five, yeah, it just does. These are

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Speaker 3: the those are the types. That's what good thing good

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Speaker 3: teams do. You just right keep a guy that you

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Speaker 3: know that has good chemistry, that fits a role ideally

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Speaker 3: for you pay him his value, which is again barely

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Speaker 3: you know what is that one one fiftieth of the

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Speaker 3: salary gap. I just that's a guy who in a

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Speaker 3: specific role was excellent, was excellent special teams.

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Speaker 2: It's it's not nothing.

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Speaker 3: And to just throw away a guy that's really important

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Speaker 3: for peanuts, to just exchange it for somebody that's gonna

604
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Speaker 3: bring a variable, it might lose you a game. Remember

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Speaker 3: of the year everyone remembers twenty twenty four. Oh yeah,

606
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Speaker 3: where all of these late round picks that had to

607
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Speaker 3: be thrust into some kind of a role can end

608
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Speaker 3: up costing games. Dejon Anthony Rico with a hold whatever,

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Speaker 3: all of these things that I can't believe all the

610
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Speaker 3: ways you're losing because guys that are undrafted free agents

611
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Speaker 3: or six or seventh round picks had to go do

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Speaker 3: something in a game and screwed it up, versus having

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Speaker 3: somebody in there that you trust and what they're doing,

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Speaker 3: letting Tyson Anderson go for the equivalent of whoever some

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Speaker 3: probably seventh round pick rookie is gonna be or you know, PJ.

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Speaker 2: Jeules or whatever is what that is is where things

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Speaker 2: like that happen.

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Speaker 3: And so I just I never understand stuff like that,

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Speaker 3: Like it'd be one thing that came out that they

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Speaker 3: gave him two three million dollars, no.

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Speaker 2: Doubt, but one one and a half.

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Speaker 1: You can there's always some some churn at the bottom

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Speaker 1: of the roster, and the special teams coach is gonna

624
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Speaker 1: have to deal with that, right that's built in. That's

625
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: built into every team every season. So there's a premium

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Speaker 1: on guys that you know, you go, okay, I know

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Speaker 1: what this guy can do, and I could use him

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Speaker 1: in a variety of different roles and I can leave

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Speaker 1: him alone. That's worth having if it costs you two

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Speaker 1: million dollars like that's they couldn't have given him for

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Speaker 1: one more year another half mil.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's just not it's it's not that hard.

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Speaker 3: It's not that hard. I mean, there's there's some value,

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Speaker 3: and that is such a tiny, tiny amount of what

636
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Speaker 3: you pay out to players. But you know, so be it.

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Speaker 1: You went to the owners meetings, and what I liked

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Speaker 1: about it is you got you got some NFL coaches

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Speaker 1: on the record about players who left their teams to

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Speaker 1: go play for the Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Just looking for people that wanted to talk to me bo.

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Speaker 1: And I'm guessing you did this in part because there

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Speaker 1: was no Bengals owner.

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Speaker 2: No I would have done that. I wouldn't get it.

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Speaker 2: That's fine.

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Speaker 1: What is it like covering an owners meeting when the

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Speaker 1: team you cover does not make ownership available?

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Speaker 3: A touch slow? You gotta you gotta look around right

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Speaker 3: a little more? Why Why was Katie not available? So

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Speaker 3: Katie's not available because they are recalibrating how they want

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Speaker 3: to sort of do their schedule of ownership in front

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Speaker 3: office talking.

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Speaker 2: I guess they do it once do it.

654
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 3: She's still gonna talk, Okay, she's going to talk to

655
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 3: us that we're out there. You know, they let us

656
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 3: know on March eighth, few weeks beforehand, and so they're

657
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 3: recalibrating that schedule. So we're going to get to talk

658
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 3: to her in June, is the expectation, okay, and so

659
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 3: that we'll get here more after, like everything kind of happens,

660
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 3: I guess, rather than in the middle of things happening.

661
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, the rest of the league

662
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 2: obviously has is out there. Ty was all.

663
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 3: Everybody in Arizona, everybody in Arizona who is local, So

664
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Speaker 3: I don't know what their deal was, but uh yeah,

665
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 3: we're actually had some form of front office talking.

666
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: That's that was their choice. So we're gonna get her.

667
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 3: You know. The biggest thing for me is as long

668
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 3: as it doesn't get taken off the schedule. I mean,

669
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 3: we have to be able to ask these questions. I

670
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 3: would have loved for it to have been out there.

671
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 3: If it's not, that's we deal with it. But yeah,

672
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 3: it's it certainly makes it a little slow out there.

673
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: Every other team is okay putting their owner out there

674
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: in front of cameras and microphones.

675
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,239
Speaker 3: And they have always done and like this has been

676
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 3: where this is where the traditional spot has been before.

677
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 3: Katie was there talking Mike. You know, Mike doesn't travel

678
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 3: like that anymore. Fine, yeah, years al but but you know,

679
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: Mike loved he we'd come in there, we'd sit down

680
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 3: in his like in his little room or suite or whatever,

681
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 3: and we'd talk through the team and it was great,

682
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 3: and he'd offer the perspective like Mike only Mike cann

683
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 3: and I loved it, like it was great.

684
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: And and Katie has been good. You know, last year we.

685
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 3: Had a lot of big topics. She was really we

686
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 3: had a lot of big topics to do and she

687
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 3: did it and it was fine. And they're just you know,

688
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,959
Speaker 3: they want to redo however they they lay it out,

689
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 3: and so we'll go wherever we got to go and

690
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 3: do whatever we got to do in order.

691
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 2: To ask those questions. Okay, whenever that ends up being.

692
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: So you're just out there in Arizona, Yeah, and uh,

693
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: watching all your peers in the media interview owners of

694
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: the teams they cover, and you're just doodling in notebook.

695
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean you get to enjoy yourself a

696
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 3: little more at the part, right, you know, there's a

697
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 3: little bit more of just I watched.

698
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 2: You talk to Jeff Hobson. We did, I did. I

699
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: enjoyed it. It was it works for the team. So it works.

700
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of connected, kind of connected there. Uh I

701
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 3: was able to talk to Butch, No, we there's plenty.

702
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 3: I mean, everybody in the league is so many people

703
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 3: are there, so there's lots of different people you can

704
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 3: talk to. We still get the coaches breakfast with Zach

705
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 3: Taylor and we we did that.

706
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, no, it's a little different.

707
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh is hosting the draft. Is Cincinnati going to host

708
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft here soon? It was on my it

709
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: was on my Katie Blackburn question list. You get a

710
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:40,919
Speaker 1: little more specific on that. I know they want.

711
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 2: There's there's about that being the case they got it

712
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: going to.

713
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 3: I mean, I remember us writing about them trying to

714
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 3: get the draft a decade ago, and I think a

715
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 3: lot of it came back to the hotel situation and

716
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 3: stuff like that. So that is starting to fix itself

717
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 3: as and and we're seeing these these drafts are moving around,

718
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 3: and they would like to. They've wanted to for a

719
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 3: long time. They certainly feel like, you know, the list

720
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 3: is getting shorter of places that haven't had it. I

721
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 3: haven't had that or already get super Bowls or whatever.

722
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it's it's certainly something they would

723
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 3: love to see happen. And when that ends up being,

724
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: I don't know when the NFL schedule will meet up

725
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 3: with them feeling like Cincinnati is ready, but I'll I'll ask.

726
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 2: That question when I get the opportunity to.

727
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: Well, you ask how she feels about Joe Burrow playing

728
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: flag football with Logan Paul.

729
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 3: That might come up, That might come up, right, Yeah, No,

730
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 3: I mean I thought there was some.

731
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 2: Really, I had some.

732
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 3: So I had some really interesting conversations about the flag

733
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: thing while I was out there, because they were announcing

734
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 3: also that the league is getting behind these two flag

735
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 3: football leagues or whatever, and so I, you know, sort

736
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 3: of pop my head into that.

737
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 2: And Larry Fitzgerald was there, and.

738
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 3: He is kind of one of the NFL player faces

739
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 3: of people behind it, and so afterwards I was chatting

740
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 3: with him a little bit about like, you know, he

741
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 3: was out fanatics event with Burrows, Like what was that like?

742
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: And He's like, you know, why, I've quickly understood why

743
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 3: this dude won the Heisman and went with the Super Bowl,

744
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 3: like he just takes everything different, like it clearly matters

745
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 3: to him. But then he said this interesting story where

746
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 3: he was like, you know, I was at like an

747
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 3: event or whatever around it and it was me and

748
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 3: Burrow and Roger Goodell, and Burrow had all of these

749
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 3: ideas about how to grow the game, grow the game

750
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 3: of flag through football and how the NFL players can

751
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 3: have a role, like he he's really invested in it.

752
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: And Larry was like, it's just it was really cool

753
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 3: to hear somebody who really cares about being invested in

754
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 3: the growth of this and has real ideas about it,

755
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 3: and and you know, you could just see how much

756
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 3: thought he had put into it, and I thought that

757
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 3: was fascinating. Yeah, like it does seem and you've heard

758
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 3: Burrow has been the most vocal probably have any player

759
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 3: about wanting to play in the Olympics. But behind the

760
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 3: whole thing, then you see him doing whatever was happening

761
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 3: on the field. Yeah, no, no, you know, I'm sure

762
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 3: you were. You were not alone amongst Bengals fans. But

763
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 3: I thought that was interesting. You can see it matters

764
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 3: to him, Like that's that does It's something that he

765
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 3: really is uh is interested in, and so I, you know,

766
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 3: for that sake, I think it was kind of kind

767
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 3: of cool to hear some of.

768
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: That background, no doubt, but like can we not? Can

769
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: we not?

770
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 3: Right?

771
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: I know, I know, does it have to look like that?

772
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I I'm just sitting there, I'm on spring break.

773
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 3: I'm sitting on my couch, the beach out one window

774
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 3: right and perked up on the couch like, don't do this, yes, no, yes,

775
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 3: not today. I was having flashbacks to watching Tyler Eifert

776
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 3: in the Pro Bowl, you know, like, no, don't let

777
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 3: this happen.

778
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: Don't let something happen here.

779
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 3: And so I just you know, in talking to Zach

780
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 3: Taylor at the Coach's breakfast about it, you know, his

781
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 3: whole point was kind of like, we got through that, Yes,

782
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 3: you know, got through that. Anything more beyond it is

783
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 3: a question for future Zach. He wasn't gonna worry about it,

784
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 3: but it was clear like there was some stress of

785
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 3: you know, probably best that you didn't watch that one.

786
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 1: Well I didn't. Basically my rule is whenever I hear

787
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: Logan or Jake Paul and fanatics, I'm good.

788
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

789
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: And then if if my favorite team's quarterback is playing

790
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: and there's a chance he can get injured, not even

791
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: close to a TV.

792
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 2: I'm good. Just tell me when it's over.

793
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 3: You saw, you saw, obviously the quote from Kyle Shanahan

794
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 3: about practice.

795
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: But we got YouTubers running into quarterback. Yeah, that's what

796
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: I need, right, you know, the meal ticket of the franchise.

797
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: It all falls apart before the draft because some guy

798
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: who's a twitch gamer on YouTube, if those things are

799
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: allowed to coexist, decides that he's going to be a

800
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: meathead with Joe Burrow.

801
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: That's what I need. Great? Can we not? Can we not?

802
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 2: It's perfect way to put that.

803
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: Covering the Bengals forward. The Athletic dot Com tons of

804
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 1: content on there between now and the draft and obviously

805
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: the immediate aftermath of the draft, and of course the

806
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 1: Growler podcast.

807
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 3: Check that out. As we say, where you get your podcasts,

808
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,479
Speaker 3: including on YouTube. Paul Dane or Junior will talk again

809
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 3: next week, looking forward to it that how many more

810
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 3: mock drafts I have? I have one coming out tomorrow

811
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 3: and then the official last one from me, and I'll

812
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 3: be a part of one more beat writer mock drafts.

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00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 3: That's it.

814
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: Okay, very good. I haven't done mine yet. That's good.

815
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: I can't wait.

816
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 3: You know what, alert the alert, the printers alert tomorrow

817
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 3: The Beast tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I'm printing it tomorrow, coming out tomorrow. Dane is with me,

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Speaker 1: Tarin Wednesday of next week, we have we have Dane

820
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Speaker 1: next week. So I'm printing The Beast tomorrow. You are

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Speaker 1: you are sharing a podcast with me tomorrow and Dane. Wow,

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Speaker 1: So Dane, Dane will be on my show, was on

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Speaker 1: first probably here do we have this highly credible draft

824
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: adalyst and when you're done with him, you bring me on.

825
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Speaker 1: And the last time I was on your podcast, I

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Speaker 1: think I told a story about the time my parents

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Speaker 1: informed they were getting a divorce. So a radio boy

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Speaker 1: comes into hey one will make you laugh too, on

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Speaker 1: top of god brandom analysis. All right, we look forward

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Speaker 1: to that tomorrow. It's six away from four o'clock. We'll

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