Speaker 1: Don't want to be an a Manican idiot.
Speaker 2: That's a loan on seven hundred WLW. The question should
Speaker 2: teenagers remain amateurs? Well, every adult around them profits from
Speaker 2: their performance on the field, on the court, wherever it
Speaker 2: might be. That's a question Ohio School principles are asking
Speaker 2: themselves this week. They are voting as we speak, over
Speaker 2: the course of this week on what the Ohio Name,
Speaker 2: Image and Likeness policy will be. The old nil. We
Speaker 2: are only one of six states without a policy, and
Speaker 2: so I mean it's coming to a head right now,
Speaker 2: right the pimple's gonna pop on that. Speaking of pimples,
Speaker 2: my boy Tom Gamble, the CEO of In Game Sports.
Speaker 2: They produce their Reds High School Showcase Skyline Chili Crosstown
Speaker 2: Showdown half of the Two Angry Guys back in the day,
Speaker 2: my former colleague. And also I will point out commissioner
Speaker 2: of the GCL South, which features Tomorrow. I keep saying Tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I know I want it to be Friday already like
Speaker 2: everyone else's Friday. It's Elder Saint X at pay Court.
Speaker 2: Twenty thousand tickets will go on sale at ten am,
Speaker 2: less than an hour from now. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: only online. You can only get that at THEHSA website,
Speaker 2: and I'd expect those twenty thousand to go pretty fast.
Speaker 2: Tom Gamble, that's a hell of a setup. Welcome back.
Speaker 2: How are you, Sloane?
Speaker 3: Doing great?
Speaker 4: Yeah, appreciate the opportunity, and you know why not, Why
Speaker 4: shouldn't teenagers and high school athletes. But it's it's very tricky,
Speaker 4: it's and it's funny you brought up about how there
Speaker 4: are only six states that don't have that IL, Ohio
Speaker 4: and Indiana ironically being two of the six. But here's
Speaker 4: a statistic. Since two thousand and two when the OHSAA
Speaker 4: member schools, over eight hundred of them voted against the NIL.
Speaker 4: Since then, right back then, there were nine school nine
Speaker 4: states that had ANIL. Now there's forty four. But here,
Speaker 4: get a load of this. Less than one percent, less
Speaker 4: than one percent of student athletes in those forty four
Speaker 4: states take advantage of it. I think it's gonna you're
Speaker 4: gonna find it's gonna be much trickier to do it
Speaker 4: at the high school level. Everybody sees what's going on
Speaker 4: in inner collegiate athletics, specifically in football and primarily men's basketball,
Speaker 4: those two and needs.
Speaker 2: To be a little bit different to the high school level. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think in Indiana's surprise too. As big as basketball
Speaker 2: is there too, you think they'd be on this thing.
Speaker 2: But it's inevitable. I mean, if you look at the
Speaker 2: trajector this time, this is what back in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two is when we last voted down in Ohio and
Speaker 2: Jamier Brown comes along and changes the game. He's a
Speaker 2: if you don't know who that is, wide receiver. He
Speaker 2: put up as a sophomore one thousand yards and fifteen
Speaker 2: touchdowns up in Dayton. He is committed to be a
Speaker 2: receiver for the Ohio State University. In twenty twenty seven,
Speaker 2: he fought a lawsuit that forces the Ohio Athletic Association
Speaker 2: High School Athletic Association to address this issue. So I
Speaker 2: don't know much has changed between now and then, but
Speaker 2: is do you think the outcome will be different this time?
Speaker 4: Well? I do. I think it's going to be voted
Speaker 4: in and here's why. And I think you brought up
Speaker 4: you're correct. A Franklin County judge issued a temporary restraining
Speaker 4: order allowing Brown through his family right, and that's that's
Speaker 4: the key. Steen athlete and family. I'll get to that momentarily,
Speaker 4: but allowing him to pursue this currently well, that expires.
Speaker 4: Training order expires on December fifteenth. So the challenge is
Speaker 4: in the OHS. They ain't says, hey, we member school,
Speaker 4: we want to legislate this, because if we do not,
Speaker 4: if we don't vote this in, you never know. It
Speaker 4: should be the judge, you never know, would the governor
Speaker 4: at some point get involved. We've seen that before, right,
Speaker 4: So if you want to, if you want to maintain
Speaker 4: control and put up some guardrails and do things like that,
Speaker 4: then I think you're gonna see. And I've talked to
Speaker 4: a number of athletic directors, of which I am obviously
Speaker 4: not one, but I deal with them all the time,
Speaker 4: and most have told me they will vote yes. Because
Speaker 4: of that, they figure it's better to enact it now
Speaker 4: and then tweak it as you go. You know, you
Speaker 4: got to start somewhere, and to your point, is inevitable
Speaker 4: it is coming at some point. So their thought process is,
Speaker 4: let's get it in there now and then let's deal
Speaker 4: with it now. This is a proposal, And I read
Speaker 4: through and I watched the presentation that the OHSAA put
Speaker 4: together and they've hired a company called Influential Athlete. And
Speaker 4: it's interesting. It's a husband and wife. He was a
Speaker 4: former high school athletic director and the wife there they're
Speaker 4: the gradis Joe and Stephanie Grady. She was a figure
Speaker 4: skater and spent ten years doing television news. She was
Speaker 4: an anchor. So they've lived the life. And I think
Speaker 4: what they what they're trying to do is educate the
Speaker 4: athletic directors and the people from the member schools of
Speaker 4: the OHSAA on how this is done, what's legal, what's
Speaker 4: not So I think here's the biggest points is this
Speaker 4: it's set up. We're the only onus on the school itself,
Speaker 4: is that they have to police their own kid should
Speaker 4: they sign an agreement. It's designed to be the student
Speaker 4: athlete and the family and the OHSAA. So if you
Speaker 4: get an agreement you as a student athlete, you have
Speaker 4: fourteen days to send that agreement to the OHSAA for approval. Now,
Speaker 4: on the surface, you know, it seems if everybody I
Speaker 4: hate to say what I'm about, okay, go, if everyone
Speaker 4: follows the rules, this would be great. This would be
Speaker 4: a win win for everybody. The issue is gonna become
Speaker 4: not everybody follows the rules, of.
Speaker 2: Course you will. You're gonna have people wanting to game
Speaker 2: the systems with anything in life. Tom gambles here he
Speaker 2: is mister high school football in the Tri State and
Speaker 2: as Commissioner GCL South, He's gonna have Elder Saint X
Speaker 2: highlighted at a pay corps on Friday. That's gonna be great.
Speaker 2: Tickets are going on sale shortly. Here we're talking about nil.
Speaker 2: It's before Ohio high school principles. All the members of
Speaker 2: the State Athletic Association get one vote on this for
Speaker 2: each school, each member school. And it's interesting because I
Speaker 2: was looking through getting ready for this at the Canton repository.
Speaker 2: They surveyed a bunch of schools up there, and I'd
Speaker 2: imagine the same sediment is true in Canton and Akron,
Speaker 2: is it is in Cleveland or Toledo or Dayton or
Speaker 2: Youngstown or here in Cincinnati or Columbus for that matter,
Speaker 2: And that is the sentiment is it's inevitable, but they're
Speaker 2: really real reluctant. So essentially the quick read on this
Speaker 2: is administrators oppose it almost overwhelmingly. The college and ile model,
Speaker 2: but believe high school and ile is going to happen,
Speaker 2: and that they have to set rules rather than have
Speaker 2: the courts and legislature and pose them. As you said,
Speaker 2: But you know, to me, there's always been this hypocrisy
Speaker 2: Tom of well, this is about educational athletics. Administrators say
Speaker 2: high school sports are educational opportunities, not modetization, not vehicles.
Speaker 2: Yet schools, I mean, how much money are saying acts
Speaker 2: and elder going to get from ticket sales from this game,
Speaker 2: concession sponsorships, broadcast rights. Some schools are paying coaches six
Speaker 2: figure salaries. I mean, how do you defend that position
Speaker 2: if everyone profits, accept the people who are on the
Speaker 2: field performing.
Speaker 4: Well, that's where it got to with college athletics, and
Speaker 4: I'll get to that question momentarily. Here's the big word
Speaker 4: I think that needs to be talked about. You can
Speaker 4: have no elective So what that means is colleges and
Speaker 4: universities in their athletics department. So like I use Texas
Speaker 4: Tech University, they had a bunch of you know, I'm
Speaker 4: presuming oil guys who have done well, say here's seven
Speaker 4: to seven and a half million dollars, go out and
Speaker 4: get a defensive line. Okay, that's the collective. It's it's
Speaker 4: the schools, the boosters you cannot as part of this
Speaker 4: collective is strictly prohibited under the OHSAA proposal. So what
Speaker 4: that means is so it's no different than really recruiting.
Speaker 4: So school A where stud player is attending school B
Speaker 4: can't all of a sudden go hey, we can offer
Speaker 4: you this, you just come here, and that is even
Speaker 4: going to be vetted out. Let's just say because again Tony,
Speaker 4: you know, you know it's going to happen at some point.
Speaker 4: But what's gonna what's gonna happen is so if you're
Speaker 4: at if you're the athletic director at school A, and
Speaker 4: suddenly stud athlete goes to school B and you don't
Speaker 4: hear anything about out any nil deal. But then after
Speaker 4: he's there for four to six months, here comes this
Speaker 4: and again I use the term massive. I don't know
Speaker 4: how mad it can even be at the high school level.
Speaker 4: But then that school aad he's going to go wait
Speaker 4: a minute, and on it happens in recruitment, right, I mean,
Speaker 4: that's supposed to be illegal recruiting. It's going to happen
Speaker 4: at some point in time in this nil personal branding,
Speaker 4: you know all of that, but let's just hope. Let's
Speaker 4: just hope that you know, we all have always said,
Speaker 4: haven't we high school sports and amateur sports is the
Speaker 4: last bastion you know of purity that there is. Now
Speaker 4: we're all not that naive right out, but let's hope
Speaker 4: that if it's structured where the school is out of it.
Speaker 4: So in other words, and this is why I don't think,
Speaker 4: I mean, people think there's going to be crazy types
Speaker 4: of money thrown around. I live in northern Kentucky. Kentucky
Speaker 4: has legal nil. I don't know of one kid that's
Speaker 4: been out there prominently. But then I because here's why.
Speaker 4: You can't wear in a video or a photograph. You
Speaker 4: can't wear your school logo, you can't be with your
Speaker 4: school mascot, you can't be videoed on the sidelines or
Speaker 4: on the court. So it has to be you. It's
Speaker 4: your public recognition that you've achieved because of your athletic fame. Well,
Speaker 4: sonny do this pick any kid the best football player
Speaker 4: in Cincinnati, right, he's not in uniform, he has no
Speaker 4: identification of school, yet he's doing something for a company.
Speaker 4: How many people outside of the school or he plays,
Speaker 4: would even know who that person at all?
Speaker 2: Not at all. I mean, you know, when you see
Speaker 2: the commercial with Jamar Chaser, example, Joe Burrow, you know
Speaker 2: they're wearing it, it's pretty clear they're in a Bengals uniform.
Speaker 2: Or because it's good for the league, it's good for
Speaker 2: the brand. I don't understand why the schools wouldn't want
Speaker 2: to embrace that. And the other element of this too
Speaker 2: is because that makes it less attractive to stay in Ohio.
Speaker 2: And now were saying there's no collectives here in Ohio,
Speaker 2: so that ham during this, I go, are you just
Speaker 2: gonna get recruits like the top picks? And you know,
Speaker 2: mister football for Ohier, mister basketball, they're gonna wind up
Speaker 2: going to some out of state prep school or an
Speaker 2: IMG academy type program because they can monetize.
Speaker 4: It better that they're gonna do that anyway. I mean
Speaker 4: that that's big time dollars. I mean, you know, there
Speaker 4: was a basketball player from from Newport, Kentucky who went
Speaker 4: down to a prep school in Georgia who is now
Speaker 4: committed to the University of Kansas. I mean, he's that good.
Speaker 4: But you're going to get that anyway. But but I
Speaker 4: think if you want to maintain to your original question,
Speaker 4: you know when we started the amateurism piece of this,
Speaker 4: you've got to legislate this, and that's why the UHSAA
Speaker 4: would rather govern it. And I think here's the other thing.
Speaker 4: Of the less than one percent in the forty four states,
Speaker 4: the majority of mos right out and this is a
Speaker 4: three year period. Essentially, the majority are in Olympic sports.
Speaker 4: Because you're not a running back wearing a uni form
Speaker 4: that nobody sees what you look like. You're you know,
Speaker 4: you're maybe a gymnast or a golfer or a tennis
Speaker 4: player where they see you where your you know, your
Speaker 4: public recognition is just you, if not the team. So
Speaker 4: I think you're going to see a lot of those companies.
Speaker 4: But are they really going to get a ton of
Speaker 4: money or are they going to get golf balls and
Speaker 4: golf yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Know, quarterbacks versus yeah, golfer. But I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: it's still there's some local celebrity element to it, no question,
Speaker 2: Yeah it's and every little bit helps. I mean, if
Speaker 2: you get you know, a lifetime supply of bridge stones.
Speaker 4: Good, yeah, oh I have no, I don't have any
Speaker 4: issue with it, and I think most of. I think
Speaker 4: the biggest thing back in twenty twenty two is it
Speaker 4: wasn't clarified enough. I think the OHSA has clearly refined this,
Speaker 4: and if you look at all the details of their bylaws, right,
Speaker 4: they've put some real time and thought into this. I
Speaker 4: think the original issue was the schools felt like the
Speaker 4: own this was going to fall fully on them. And
Speaker 4: believe me, a high school athletic director today, you gotta
Speaker 4: be nuts to be a high school ad with the
Speaker 4: way parents are today. Right, we'll start with that, but today,
Speaker 4: can you imagine if you had to govern all this,
Speaker 4: Not that you have nothing to do here, because you're
Speaker 4: going to have to pay attention if your athlete signs
Speaker 4: an agreement, but by having no collective and by making
Speaker 4: it the onus of the family and the student athlete
Speaker 4: and the OHSAA, hopefully high schools won't get overburdened with
Speaker 4: this because God knows they don't have the staff the time.
Speaker 4: I mean, high school ads will flee, they will run.
Speaker 2: Probably walk to the I would think so, because you know,
Speaker 2: there's the one percent reality in a less than one
Speaker 2: percent of kids are going to go on to a
Speaker 2: collegiate or pro career. Yet forty percent of parents think
Speaker 2: that that's the case and that you know that's true,
Speaker 2: But that also adds an interesting mix to team chemistry,
Speaker 2: entitlement issues, and the parent pressure as well. Man, what's
Speaker 2: happening in the locker rooms is the question? You know,
Speaker 2: if if you know the quarter back or I don't know, alignment,
Speaker 2: someone is getting paid and making some money off this,
Speaker 2: is there a jealousy component and other high jealous high
Speaker 2: school kids undermining them and thinking it should be them,
Speaker 2: And what happens in that locker room?
Speaker 4: Well, I think it goes to the kid who maybe
Speaker 4: is a D three player whose parents are delusional that
Speaker 4: he's going to play in Alabama or Georgia. So now
Speaker 4: you're going to have a think about it. So the
Speaker 4: onus is on the family and the kid. Well, how
Speaker 4: many moms and dads are going to because I know
Speaker 4: I've known of circumstances where moms run X accounts for
Speaker 4: the kid. The kid doesn't want anything to do with it.
Speaker 4: That's how crazy this is. So now we're going to
Speaker 4: have parents out there seeking these type of financial opportunities.
Speaker 4: And again I'm not blaming anybody for trying to better
Speaker 4: themselves financially, But do you really want that? How many
Speaker 4: kids won't even know that their mom or dad is
Speaker 4: out there trying to get these deals. It's like the
Speaker 4: old Hey, you know, my son should be starting over yours. Well,
Speaker 4: if you want to talk to me, we're going to
Speaker 4: bring in the kid who you'rs. And most of the
Speaker 4: time when they have those meetings coaches, the kids don't
Speaker 4: even know what's going on. That's how crazy this has
Speaker 4: gotten over the years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you're going to see you know, toddlers in
Speaker 2: the weight room now pretty soon, because he's destined, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, that's where it's going to be. It canna
Speaker 2: be recruited out of kindergarten at some point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's coret. Well, that's and you bring up recruited.
Speaker 4: I think that's the challenge of this. You know, there
Speaker 4: already are enough issues with recruitment, and now you add this.
Speaker 4: I think that's where the high school administrators have the
Speaker 4: biggest issue. Look, it's hard enough to govern recruiting. Now
Speaker 4: you're going to add this name image lightness component with
Speaker 4: financial wherewithal to it? Can you imagine, you know, soorry.
Speaker 4: The good news is the Elder saying, next game Friday
Speaker 4: night at Paycorps. That's that's the thing where you know,
Speaker 4: that's where I hope, that's where it's fun. That's what
Speaker 4: it's about. You know. These are two teams. I mean
Speaker 4: Elder was down twenty two to nothing and incredible to win. Yeah,
Speaker 4: a great finish. It scored you know, nine points in
Speaker 4: the final minute one and Saint X, which lost to
Speaker 4: Moler during the regular season, came back and beat them.
Speaker 4: I mean those are you know, Elders undefeated. I mean,
Speaker 4: these are this is what high school sports is supposed
Speaker 4: to be about, you know. And it's it's great that
Speaker 4: they're playing at pay Corps. I hope the weather holds
Speaker 4: off and doesn't.
Speaker 2: You're not looking good, but I mean you're you know,
Speaker 2: you're in high school kid, You're playing at Paycorps. How
Speaker 2: cool is that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 4: And maybe some well played football. What do you think
Speaker 4: I would think?
Speaker 2: So between Elder and Saint X bragging rights to the
Speaker 2: west Side, he was a commission to GCL South will
Speaker 2: probably pacing up the sidelines like an expectant parent. I'd
Speaker 2: imagine Tom, and we're just like, what almost forty minutes
Speaker 2: away from tickets going on sale at the o hss
Speaker 2: A website, so not less than an hour from now
Speaker 2: for sure, Uh, twenty thousand should go pretty quickly.
Speaker 4: I would think solony on one thing, I never go
Speaker 4: on the sideline because what you don't want is I
Speaker 4: don't hire the officials. Now playoff time, they get selected
Speaker 4: from around the state. But I learned a long time
Speaker 4: ago stay out of harm's way because I don't know
Speaker 4: if you know this or not, but coaches aren't necessarily
Speaker 4: logical during the heat of again, right, So and who
Speaker 4: do they go looking for a poor sucker like me?
Speaker 4: That's right. You know what's funny is it'll be interesting
Speaker 4: because you know, pay Corps is so big, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. I mean, it's obvious. We've got to
Speaker 4: go back to two thousand and one. There was a doubleheader.
Speaker 4: It was Princeton Saint X and Cole Raine Elder forty
Speaker 4: eight thousand and change almost fifty thousand people. Was a
Speaker 4: regional semi final. So this is the next step, the
Speaker 4: regional bucks. But we really haven't seen that since. You know,
Speaker 4: that was one of those you know how you have
Speaker 4: the perfect storm. The weather was gorgeous. Princeton was having
Speaker 4: a great year. It was Cole Raine Elder was playing
Speaker 4: every year, so I mean it was it was just
Speaker 4: But I think it'll be a great crowd. I think
Speaker 4: two good football teams we need. We need a Division
Speaker 4: one stay champion. So hopefully one of these two can
Speaker 4: bring one back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that and that would certainly it'd be fair expected too,
Speaker 2: with the level of talent that you have. And it
Speaker 2: doesn't get a belted better than Elder Saint X. I
Speaker 2: mean that is there's probably west Siders taking up arms
Speaker 2: right now between the two the two teams. But I
Speaker 2: love that kind of passion that you're bringing. Are you
Speaker 2: surprised quickly? Tom? How how how quickly the deal was
Speaker 2: able to get done by the commissioners and the Bengals,
Speaker 2: because man I heard these like they want to take
Speaker 2: the pay carse like Bengals don't do anything quickly, and
Speaker 2: they did to their credit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, County, I think I know. I've I've talked a
Speaker 4: couple of times to Kevin Askell and choose the athletic
Speaker 4: director at Elder at Denise three House, who's a county
Speaker 4: commission Obviously, I think they have a connection to Elder
Speaker 4: and it takes someone like that and you know, I
Speaker 4: can't remember it might have been her, might have been
Speaker 4: somebody else talked about you know, this is a county facility.
Speaker 4: This is what this is for, yes, And that's the
Speaker 4: best thing for me because I know there have been
Speaker 4: some previous times when when maybe you know, the least
Speaker 4: agreement and there two well you know, we don't want
Speaker 4: this and that. And it helps to have the turf,
Speaker 4: right when you get the synthetic turf, because when you
Speaker 4: go back to two thousand, it was Elder Highlands was
Speaker 4: the first game high school game ever played there, right,
Speaker 4: so you know it's been since twenty eighteen when Coda
Speaker 4: West played Saint X and the season opener. But it's great,
Speaker 4: I mean for a game like this, and you know
Speaker 4: it's probably Sloany would have been at UC that they
Speaker 4: not had their you know, National Gavy game and you
Speaker 4: know that's the whole thing, and it would have been
Speaker 4: sold out there. I mean, I think that's which is cool,
Speaker 4: which is a great atmosphere. But the play where the
Speaker 4: NFL plays, it's it's a great experience for the kids
Speaker 4: and deserving.
Speaker 2: I think so too. That's gonna be fantastic, Tom Gamble,
Speaker 2: all the best brother, I'm glad you're doing well, CEO
Speaker 2: of In Game Sports, the commissioner of the GCL South
Speaker 2: and be highlighted on Friday night at pay Court. Doesn't
Speaker 2: get any better than that, All the best man, thanks again.
Speaker 2: Be well, you got it, say to you slone all right?
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Speaker 2: that's you know, Jack Daniel's difference Tennessee. But you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying is that, Okay, that's all well and good,
Speaker 2: but over his career he's received all this money from
Speaker 2: alcohol and tobacco. But in particular this is alcohol because
Speaker 2: Congress just closed the farm loophole allowing THHG level products
Speaker 2: to remain open. But what wound up happening was Congress
Speaker 2: comes along and says that's it, and it was buried
Speaker 2: as part of the government of the ACA shut the
Speaker 2: So two things followed the big money here. Secondly, why
Speaker 2: is this even part of reopening the government when the
Speaker 2: debate was over healthcare and they said, oh, we kind
Speaker 2: of slipped this in at the last minute, slipped it
Speaker 2: in at the last minute, Like I'm sorry, but if
Speaker 2: Democrats did this, you'd be losing your mind right now.
Speaker 2: But no one's paying attention because it's mit, dear old mischipaccadum.
Speaker 2: It's absurd, it's horrible, and this is what's wrong with
Speaker 2: politics and those people who would defend this activity simply
Speaker 2: because they were Republican. It's just simply intolerable, is what
Speaker 2: this is. Because so many people rely and have invested
Speaker 2: money here in Ohio and other states for that matter,
Speaker 2: but particular in Ohio that you simply can't you can't
Speaker 2: fathom just how this whole thing's going to play out. Now,
Speaker 2: maybe there is a little bit of hope here because
Speaker 2: I guess you know the doomsday scenarios. You have an
Speaker 2: entire industry wiped out. The THC beverage sector in Ohio
Speaker 2: is literally going to be made extinct by this. And
Speaker 2: it's the doing of Mitch McConnell, it's doing of the
Speaker 2: Republicans support and voted for this thing. And so what's
Speaker 2: going to have to happen is now you're going to
Speaker 2: have to if you are one of these beverage makers,
Speaker 2: leave the market entirely liquidate your inventory over the transition period,
Speaker 2: which you're hearing is maybe they have a year to
Speaker 2: do this, and just hope against hope that maybe that
Speaker 2: there's some sort of federal intervention later on, going hey,
Speaker 2: we screwed this up, we need to redo this. But
Speaker 2: the idea is to reopen the government. Is now you
Speaker 2: have destroyed the entire industry where people have literally put
Speaker 2: their life savings into. Not to mention the bartenders and
Speaker 2: restaurants and stores because the way and work as well.
Speaker 2: You can sell the product, but now it has to
Speaker 2: be a dispensary. Who's going to go go to a
Speaker 2: dispensary to buy this stuff? The bars are selling it now,
Speaker 2: Like you want to go sit at a bar and
Speaker 2: enjoy one of these beverages. And I'm sorry if you
Speaker 2: don't like THC or you don't have to. But if
Speaker 2: you sit there enjoying your craft beer, your Budweiser, your
Speaker 2: Miller Lite, your Mick Ultra, your craft beer the day,
Speaker 2: whatever it is, and you're sitting next to somebody who's
Speaker 2: enjoying a I don't know, a martini, a Manhattan, a Cosmo,
Speaker 2: a glass of wine, and then somebody is sitting next
Speaker 2: to them enjoying a THHD infuseed beverage. It's absurd to
Speaker 2: think that the people who are drinking the beer, the wine,
Speaker 2: and the alcohol would look down their nose at someone
Speaker 2: enjoying a thhdu infuse. It's the same thing you're drinking
Speaker 2: for the effect. People say, wow, I drink for the taste. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's certainly a factor. Niple. Let's face it, we drink
Speaker 2: to have our inhibitions drop to feel better, to feel comfortable,
Speaker 2: to maybe make pain time happen, but largely because it's
Speaker 2: social and it loosens you up and it feels good.
Speaker 2: That's why we drink alcohol. Nothing better than a buzz, right,
Speaker 2: provided you're not driving a car, you're not hurting anyone
Speaker 2: but yourself. And I always, it always is funny to
Speaker 2: me the level of people with you know, country club
Speaker 2: folks who would be looking down their nose at people
Speaker 2: who smoke weed back in the day, even though they're well,
Speaker 2: you guys are drinking you know, four or five martinis.
Speaker 2: Well that's that's classier. It's a classier high. You're still
Speaker 2: getting high. And to think that this whole industry now
Speaker 2: has been really put in jeopardy is disturbing on so
Speaker 2: many levels. What happened to free market economies? What happened
Speaker 2: to free market republicans for that matter. And I'm sure
Speaker 2: there's democrats to get money from, you know, from the
Speaker 2: alcohol lobby, for sure, but this has Mitch mccone's fingerprints
Speaker 2: on it, unfortunately, and it's it's sadly devastating on an industry.
Speaker 2: And it also makes the case where well, you know,
Speaker 2: you talk about Joe Biden in the auto pen. Is
Speaker 2: there something going on there? Does Mitch McConnell actually aware
Speaker 2: of what's going on at this point? It's so sad
Speaker 2: and unfortunate. But you know, if you're a bourbon producer,
Speaker 2: which I'm a big fan of bourbon, obviously, I understand
Speaker 2: you got to protect your interests, you're protecting your market share.
Speaker 2: But again we're back to what government doesn't do, and
Speaker 2: that is to be the official, to be the referee,
Speaker 2: to make sure that the rules apply fairly to everyone else.
Speaker 2: And when you talk about ACA subsidies, which I'm against
Speaker 2: because it's just a subsident, it's stupid. Democrats love subsidy,
Speaker 2: but I don't know, it looks like Republicans are playing
Speaker 2: that game as well. I mean, you know, you're giving
Speaker 2: alcohol subsidies out and you're protecting that industry from THG producers,
Speaker 2: THCH beverage producers, And that really is the maddening part
Speaker 2: of this whole thing that plenty of people and I
Speaker 2: think it's one of those things too. It really is
Speaker 2: a turning point because you know, as someone who is
Speaker 2: a person who uses cannabis, I look at it and
Speaker 2: I get that there has always been a stigma against
Speaker 2: cannabis users. You know burnouts, you know Jeff Spacoli, Cheech
Speaker 2: and Shong, you know Bill and Ted, whoever it might be.
Speaker 2: There are a bunch of stoners and slackers. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: get the perception. And the marijuana users really quite honestly
Speaker 2: didn't help themselves with that brand. But it became mainstream.
Speaker 2: We realized the medicinal properties of it, the curative properties
Speaker 2: of it. When it comes to hemp, the ability to
Speaker 2: use hemp as a is a product as a material
Speaker 2: to fashion things out of. But then that small amount
Speaker 2: of THC and there can be still extracted as a loophole,
Speaker 2: because this is the loophole government created so they can
Speaker 2: make these THC and fused beverages. And now there are
Speaker 2: just so many people, everything from suburban moms to urban dads, etc.
Speaker 2: Are enjoying THD and fuse beverages and they're really not
Speaker 2: different than Seltzer's mom waters and stuff like that. And
Speaker 2: we had the craft beer industry that came along, then
Speaker 2: we have the Seltzer industry in that that was a spike.
Speaker 2: Now we have THHC. That's a spike, and you're going
Speaker 2: to undermine all that because of special in church politics,
Speaker 2: and I thought that the whole idea was to go
Speaker 2: to Washington and change all this stuff. Well, guess what
Speaker 2: if you're not satisfied completely with what's going on with
Speaker 2: this administration with Trump, as I am not. I think
Speaker 2: there's some wonderful things he's done. I think there's a
Speaker 2: number of things he does that I shake my head
Speaker 2: and go, what are we doing over here? This would
Speaker 2: be one of the men I know that Trump's doing.
Speaker 2: But again, this is politics as usual. It's the good
Speaker 2: old boid network, and it's money getting what it does,
Speaker 2: doing what it does. In this case, it's destroying an
Speaker 2: entire industry. And it's unfortunate, really is because so many people,
Speaker 2: like I said, I, are leaning into THC and fused beverages,
Speaker 2: and now that one hits home. Whereas you may not
Speaker 2: have you know, had an edible or smoked or vaped
Speaker 2: or tinture or whatever it might be delivery system, Now
Speaker 2: people are going, wow, you know, it's THHD thing. It's
Speaker 2: a different kind of buzz than alcohol. And I feel
Speaker 2: so much better the day after than I do when
Speaker 2: I have a few beers or a couple glass of
Speaker 2: bottle of wine or I don't know, a pitcher of margaritas,
Speaker 2: for example. Boy, this I feel I feel a little
Speaker 2: bit better about this. Plenty of people experience in the
Speaker 2: word of mouth travels and that's why it's in the
Speaker 2: industry in itself is exploding right now, or at least
Speaker 2: it was, and now we're going to undermine this whole thing.
Speaker 2: So long story short, it is gravely disappointing. It's unfortunate.
Speaker 2: It's a sadd indictment of our political system that we
Speaker 2: think is changing, but it's really not. And it also
Speaker 2: limits your choice in your ability to do things sin
Speaker 2: as an adult that adults are allowed to do in
Speaker 2: this country simply because of big money. I'm not naive
Speaker 2: enough to think that somehow this is going to change things.
Speaker 2: But again, this is the price that we pay for
Speaker 2: the system we have. And when you talk about how
Speaker 2: to blow up the system and change it structurally, change Washington,
Speaker 2: I don't know why we're not exploiting and talking about
Speaker 2: this more, because that is absolutely a great illustration and
Speaker 2: a metaphor for how we feel about our government today.
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Speaker 2: week from tomorrow. It is the best holiday of your
Speaker 2: hands done. It's the best holiday. Why because it's all
Speaker 2: about food, It's about family, it's about football, the three oups.
Speaker 2: There's no pretext, there's no gifts. There's just food. There's gluttony.
Speaker 2: There's passing out on the couch at three o'clock with
Speaker 2: your hand down your pants, waking up at five from
Speaker 2: your turkey and deuced stupor to eat more food. Have
Speaker 2: a sandwich with stuffing on it. Carbs, carbs and more carbs.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. And nothing embodies that more
Speaker 2: than the new Dorothy Lane Market and Mason where I am,
Speaker 2: and Chef Carrie Walters is here, she's executive chef, corporate chef,
Speaker 2: and Mike Chrisman is the director of the meat department.
Speaker 2: Forty seven years. Mike, you've been handling meat forty seven years. Yes,
Speaker 2: I've been in the meat business for over forty years.
Speaker 2: Rank the top three cuts of meat in your mind?
Speaker 2: Number one is what.
Speaker 6: A ribbi prime rib goes with everything? Prime prime rib yeah,
Speaker 6: prime ribbon, red wine. All right, that's the big one.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't argue with that prime rib thing. It's it
Speaker 6: is delicious, and if you ask a butcher behind the
Speaker 6: candle counter, they'll tell you their favorite steak is a ribbu.
Speaker 2: It's always a ribb. It's marbled, the flavors there because
Speaker 2: you have the fat, the caramelization. You got all that
Speaker 2: working on too. And I don't have to tell chef
Speaker 2: that what's the best way to cook us a ribbi?
Speaker 7: And low and slow? I love that reverse ser Oh yeah,
Speaker 7: little thermometer.
Speaker 2: So I'll go in to Dorothy Lane. I'll get a
Speaker 2: nice inch and a quarter maybe two foot thick ribbi
Speaker 2: and I'll take that and I'll put it in my
Speaker 2: smoker at two twenty five and then get it to
Speaker 2: one eighteen and then take it off and then sear it.
Speaker 2: And then you have a reverse seer with the crust
Speaker 2: on it, and it's got a little smoke to it.
Speaker 2: That's what I like. How about that? Absolutely we go there,
Speaker 2: we're talking food. If you can't tell, I'm into this
Speaker 2: thing right now. Congratulations. By the way, Dorothy Lane Market
Speaker 2: opening in Mason. I was kind of joking with carrying
Speaker 2: everyone else to like it felt like this thing has
Speaker 2: been under construction since eight teen sixty four, and it
Speaker 2: took like three years to come to it, but it's
Speaker 2: absolutely go. I've yet to be in because two or
Speaker 2: three times we went by. I'm like, we can always
Speaker 2: go in. We live right there. It's like there's always
Speaker 2: a line, which that's a good sign, right absolutely. Why
Speaker 2: is explaining this way? Why is Dorothy Lane so popular?
Speaker 2: Why is it such a big thing so iconic?
Speaker 6: Dorothy Line is a popular because it's got a history
Speaker 6: in Dorothy Lane's family owned business, been in business since
Speaker 6: nineteen forty eight. We've grown, We've grown slow. This is
Speaker 6: our fourth store, so it is the place, it's place
Speaker 6: to be. We've gone a little bit different direction.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: When the industry has taken one turn, we've taken the
Speaker 6: opposite term. So we're a gourmet retailer in the Dayton
Speaker 6: area and we've got things that note you can't find
Speaker 6: anyplace else.
Speaker 2: And you have a significant number of foodies around, especially
Speaker 2: in Mason. Do you know the chef. There's things that
Speaker 2: you would look at us Durre and go wow, you
Speaker 2: that you can't find in the world.
Speaker 7: Correct, correct, And we make a lot of our things
Speaker 7: from scratch, so we kind of cross the board between
Speaker 7: old fashion. We have great potato salad, great additional macaroni salad,
Speaker 7: but we also have a really fun vegan chickpea salad.
Speaker 7: So we you know, we're trying to make everybody happy, Grandma,
Speaker 7: your teenage.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like if you know, it's not like a supermarket.
Speaker 2: It is, but it's a restaurant too. It's it's a
Speaker 2: really interesting combination. We go in, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: great chef made, chef inspired and fresh. You know, I
Speaker 2: can go in and get it, get a ribb if
Speaker 2: I want right, Yeah, you.
Speaker 6: Can get a ribbi coach right on the grill the
Speaker 6: way that you want it on the grill, and you
Speaker 6: can take it upstairs to our cafe and eat it
Speaker 6: right there. Have Uh it's perfect date night, yeah, to
Speaker 6: go and watch the sunset and have a nice steak.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: And it's it's a really cool common because we've moved
Speaker 2: into that era. Now you go to any grocery store,
Speaker 2: especially Dorothy Lane, and there's all the prepackaged. We don't
Speaker 2: have time to cook like we used to. It's especially
Speaker 2: like I'll do it on the weekend if I have
Speaker 2: time even but it's great to go in and get
Speaker 2: and and now what you guys have is so diverse.
Speaker 2: That's the cool part. You're just talking about adding Indian food, right, correct?
Speaker 7: Correct, Yeah, we have a really very large clientele and
Speaker 7: that's they're looking for more of the you know, lagoon friendly,
Speaker 7: delicious vegan. So it's really it's been fun to you know,
Speaker 7: start to really devolve into some of that.
Speaker 8: As far as where are you on vegans, Mike, not
Speaker 8: at my house. It's a sour I love to talk.
Speaker 2: By the way, it's a chef Carry Walters and my
Speaker 2: Christmas who has been working the director of meat for
Speaker 2: doroth A Lane Market, my guy forty seven years. By
Speaker 2: the way, that's incredible. A guy who knows every cut
Speaker 2: of every you name it. It's a fowl, is it fish?
Speaker 2: Is it as a beef? Is it pork? He's got
Speaker 2: He's on top of it. Let's talk about turkey, chef
Speaker 2: real quick, Brian or no, Brian. I'm a Brian guy.
Speaker 2: I get my fresh bird. I brind it overnight. I
Speaker 2: know the ratios if you if you're going, well, okay
Speaker 2: fresh turkey, Uh, you gotta do. I think it's it's
Speaker 2: probably best to probably Brian that get all of flavor
Speaker 2: and it would you agree? I like dry braining a
Speaker 2: little bit better, which is what how do you do
Speaker 2: that salt?
Speaker 7: And if I always to tell people to cook the
Speaker 7: turkey and what they want on the dinner plate. So
Speaker 7: if you're into crispy delicious skin, some rub it all
Speaker 7: over with salt, leave it uncovered in your refrigerator overnight,
Speaker 7: and that skin.
Speaker 2: Will just be delicious. Why doesn't skin get crispy moisture?
Speaker 7: Number one?
Speaker 2: Moisture is escaping, So if you do it one of
Speaker 2: those plastic bags, you're probably not gonna be crispy skin.
Speaker 7: That's right. I grew up with my we had no
Speaker 7: color on our skin whatsoever. My mom's of course, my
Speaker 7: mom's turkey was delicious, but it's not the turkey that
Speaker 7: I make. Yeah, so you kind of pick and choose
Speaker 7: your battles, decide how you're gonna get what you want
Speaker 7: on the dinner plate. How what's the best choice cooking
Speaker 7: wise to get there?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then it's should dry brian was the dry
Speaker 2: rub basically or the wet Brian is a cup of
Speaker 2: salt and gall of water. And then but then you
Speaker 2: can add all sorts of different stuff.
Speaker 7: Oh sure, and you're in your wet Brian absolutely. You
Speaker 7: know a lot of people struggle with that, like where
Speaker 7: am I gonna put it right?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 7: Can I use a cooler? My big thing is if
Speaker 7: you're a big gravy person, a big pant sauce person,
Speaker 7: and maybe Brian wetbrining is not for you, but that
Speaker 7: Wetbrian gives a very moist, delicious Uh.
Speaker 2: Well, that's where you go, see Mike in the butcher department.
Speaker 2: You get the turkey, but then you get like some
Speaker 2: backs and wings and drums, and then you make the stock.
Speaker 2: Ahead make the stock and then make and everything else.
Speaker 2: Because the gravy pulls it all It's like the it's
Speaker 2: like the rug. The rug pulls it all together. The
Speaker 2: gravy pulls it all together. Here, gravy becomes a beverage.
Speaker 2: If it's good enough, I make a pretty good grave.
Speaker 2: I'm sure chef makes it much better gravy than I
Speaker 2: do too, So.
Speaker 7: It's someone a pretty amazing gravy. It's always fun to
Speaker 7: see the day after Thanksgiving all of the crowds are
Speaker 7: coming in because they all ran out of gravy and
Speaker 7: they need to have the gravy.
Speaker 2: That's amateur move man. The turkey parts this time of year,
Speaker 2: you get some necks and the good the good stuff,
Speaker 2: and you cook that down and make your own stock, right,
Speaker 2: and then you make your own gravy out of that.
Speaker 2: Just got plant of the head. Do a little bit
Speaker 2: ahead anyway on that too. How big a bird should
Speaker 2: you get is the rule. It's like a pound pound
Speaker 2: and a half a person. We recommend one pound per person. Okay,
Speaker 2: but to get a turkey, you know, a turkey's at
Speaker 2: least ten twelve pounds, so a small turkey. If you
Speaker 2: have a fifteen sixteen pound turkey, it's going to feed
Speaker 2: fifteen sixteen people. Yeah. But if you like leftovers, get
Speaker 2: the thirty pound turkey. Get the thirty pounds.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Or do what I do, and I buy a
Speaker 7: small turkey for all of the yummy parts, and I
Speaker 7: buy an additional breast to get Oh yeah, sure the
Speaker 7: next day to the turkey sandwiches.
Speaker 2: Now you can do it a lot too. If you
Speaker 2: want to get crazy right.
Speaker 7: With that, I'm coming to your house.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I got overruled. I want to do that
Speaker 2: one year and I'm like, no, we want the turkey,
Speaker 2: we want the tradition, because it's about tradition, right, it is,
Speaker 2: but explain that what I just yeah, so.
Speaker 1: I always stuck.
Speaker 7: My mother in law has been making turkey obviously for
Speaker 7: a long time, and my first year of being married,
Speaker 7: it's always kind of a war. That's not how I
Speaker 7: did it. That's not how my mom did it. I
Speaker 7: don't agree with what you're doing, so I think a
Speaker 7: lot of the don't talk politics. Maybe talk about your
Speaker 7: stuffing versus my stack. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're a
Speaker 7: way of turkey right to do it right?
Speaker 5: You know it.
Speaker 7: It's a people are very passionate about. They don't want to.
Speaker 2: I used my God bless and my late moms for recipe.
Speaker 2: I got the it's on an index card and uh,
Speaker 2: you know, trying to read her cursive from years ago.
Speaker 2: But her, I'm just we all grew up with her
Speaker 2: stuffing and that's it. And she would make you know,
Speaker 2: there are maybe six of us, but she'd get two
Speaker 2: loaves of bread to make the stuffing with some stuff.
Speaker 2: We were eating stuffing at Easter at this point. You
Speaker 2: know it is, but it's it's what it is. I
Speaker 2: mentioned a lot. So anyway, you take a breast and
Speaker 2: you slight you can, but you can do that in
Speaker 2: the butcher shop. So it's like a pinwheel. Basically, you
Speaker 2: put the stuffing in and then you roll it up
Speaker 2: and if you want that it's and then you slice
Speaker 2: it and it's beautiful on the plate. But it's not
Speaker 2: really traditional. But you guys would butcher.
Speaker 1: That, right.
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 6: Absolutely, Yeah. We'll get asked all kinds of things to
Speaker 6: do for their turkey. Uh like what, well, everybody will
Speaker 6: want you other to be a bunch of people want
Speaker 6: it'spatch cocked, which is where we take the backbone out
Speaker 6: and crack the breast so it lace flat. So if
Speaker 6: it lays flat, it's gonna cook quicker. Right, You're not
Speaker 6: going to stuff it is easy?
Speaker 7: Yeah, which is another big lemon.
Speaker 4: True.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now what about a turn ducket? Have people still
Speaker 2: doing that?
Speaker 1: I hope not.
Speaker 2: Why give me the chefs and gonna carry chefs here?
Speaker 7: So you know all that poultry we need to cook it.
Speaker 7: The center power needs to be one sixty five. And
Speaker 7: if you're sticking a quail inside of a chicken inside
Speaker 7: of a turkey, think about what that outside of that
Speaker 7: turkey is going to be at by the time the
Speaker 7: tiny little inside is one hundred and sixty five degrees. Wow,
Speaker 7: it's well passed time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotcha. It's definitely could a little bit dry,
Speaker 2: is what you're saying. Yes, gotcha. But people still do
Speaker 2: the turn ducket, Yes they do. There'll be a few,
Speaker 2: not a lot.
Speaker 6: We'll get asked to make some, but in the company
Speaker 6: we probably won't make fifteen sixteen of them, gotcha. Compare
Speaker 6: when you're selling thousands of turkeys, fifteen sixteen of them?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you so if someone says, you know
Speaker 2: what a turkey it's it's been done, that's old, that's
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. I want to do. So what is
Speaker 2: the biggest alternative to turkey for Thanksgiving? Prime rib? Prime
Speaker 2: rib has always been like meat? Yeah, met, prime ribbon
Speaker 2: is not going to do a meat at the holiday?
Speaker 2: Prime river of fil a.
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 2: What do people usually get about wrong about the like
Speaker 2: a standing rib roaster? A prime rab?
Speaker 6: People tend to overcook them, so they want to they
Speaker 6: want to get it done. And prime rib is good
Speaker 6: at one hundred and twenty degrees and if they they
Speaker 6: cook it too long, it usually gets overcooked. Yeah, it's
Speaker 6: got to be rare, yes, absolutely, And then you get
Speaker 6: because they've had it before and it's like a shoe, right,
Speaker 6: Well you do that ro stpeep, same thing. Right, It's
Speaker 6: got to be you know, an order to slice it
Speaker 6: and get that. It's you got to have that juice.
Speaker 6: And some people don't like it, then you should not
Speaker 6: be eating that.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, anyone to come in and just have hot dogs,
Speaker 2: get some mets on the grill Thanksgiving, not for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: No people like that, And I know some people that
Speaker 2: would go out. I'm just got going to do burgers
Speaker 2: and hot dogs in study this morning. It's on my Christmas.
Speaker 2: He is the Dorothy Lane Market Mason by the way,
Speaker 2: meat department director there has been doing that for four decades.
Speaker 2: And Chef Carrie Walters, who's very young and has only
Speaker 2: been doing this for a few years, but she is
Speaker 2: in corporate twenty five years corporate chef. And we're talking
Speaker 2: about Thanksgiving it or ready for Thanksgiving? Gett your bird?
Speaker 2: Can you still get a fresh turkey?
Speaker 6: Absolutely, we're gonna take Yeah, we're gonna take fresh turkey.
Speaker 6: Order something until the twenty fourth, gotcha. So it's a
Speaker 6: good idea to place in order so that you get
Speaker 6: a turkey in the size range that you want if
Speaker 6: you come in and just try to get one, it
Speaker 6: may be what we have left is what you're gonna get.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, all right? Always a good idea to place STORER
Speaker 2: give me a side this year, chef, Well you have to. Okay,
Speaker 2: we got mashed potatoes. Everyone has their favorite mashed potatoes.
Speaker 2: Maybe the yams sweet potatoes. Got that recipe, let's talk
Speaker 2: about I'm not get even. I'm not even going to
Speaker 2: taint this convers I'm just gonna go green bean castrole.
Speaker 2: Where are you on that?
Speaker 7: I love green bean castle for but I like it fresh.
Speaker 7: Oh okay, so we actually sell a delicious several different
Speaker 7: types of green beans. But I'm not a big canned person,
Speaker 7: so I like to blanch the green beans off. I
Speaker 7: make a mushroom sherry sauce. I deep eye shallots at home,
Speaker 7: and I kind of do that same similar taste, nostalgic,
Speaker 7: but it's a lot better.
Speaker 2: I want to come to your house. Then said, well, trade,
Speaker 2: how's that you hang out with my family? Hanging out
Speaker 2: with yours probably actually go a lot better.
Speaker 7: Super popular.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably work out for a lot of people. It's
Speaker 2: a trade. In the twenty twenty five Thanksgiving Day Draft
Speaker 2: the Selected from Mason, Ohio. Yeah, and I always annually
Speaker 2: do a rant against green bean Castle. I declare you
Speaker 2: hot every year on green bean Castle because it just
Speaker 2: seems insulting to me. You take a can or a
Speaker 2: frozen bag of mushy green beans, you get some soup
Speaker 2: mix in their can of soup, and then some pre
Speaker 2: fried onions, and you mix it all together and you
Speaker 2: bring that that is such a disgrace to this this
Speaker 2: hallowed holiday. I will not stand for it. Green Bean
Speaker 2: Castle does not have a place on my table.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: What's really scary is I think if you just interviewed
Speaker 7: the top you know, ten people at walk into our store,
Speaker 7: how much green bean castrole is on their menu?
Speaker 2: People love it. Yeah, It's cheating, is what it is.
Speaker 2: This is the one high. It's about food, right, and
Speaker 2: this is it. I mean, if you can't put on
Speaker 2: a show and do the right thing on Thanksgiving, there's
Speaker 2: no hope for this country. There's no hope whatsoever for
Speaker 2: there's no hope for America. So I'm like Bill cut
Speaker 2: Bill Cunningham of food over here all right other side?
Speaker 2: Do where would you go with?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 2: I want to try something a little different, but not
Speaker 2: get too crazy.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 7: I love all those roasted vegetables, all those gorgeous swashes
Speaker 7: that are in right now. Just makes me think a
Speaker 7: harvest and Thanksgiving, honeynut, butternut, acorn. I think a lot
Speaker 7: of that stuff is fun. You can make it into
Speaker 7: a soup, soup, you can roast it along with some carrots.
Speaker 7: It's a relatively easy recipe that goes great with turkey.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No one likes to eat on Thanksgiving more than Tom Brenneman.
Speaker 2: And he's not doing football. Turn all that mic out,
Speaker 2: Turn the other bike on here, big day, turn his
Speaker 2: mike on here, she said, is slowely live in there
Speaker 2: with them, she says. If you want to buy the
Speaker 2: sides for Thanksgiving, yes, yes, okay. Do you have to
Speaker 2: order that ahead of time as well as a turkey,
Speaker 2: We recommend it.
Speaker 7: Okay, you can just walk into the store. It whole
Speaker 7: variety of It's all about Thanksgiving and our prepared food cases.
Speaker 2: I believe me, I've been there many times.
Speaker 7: But it's smart to r s v P, which is
Speaker 7: super easy to do the you can do it online.
Speaker 7: You can give us a call. We take orders up
Speaker 7: till this Friday.
Speaker 2: Until it's Friday. I got her on the phone right now.
Speaker 4: She said, I'm listening to Slonia.
Speaker 1: You don't listen to me.
Speaker 2: Why didn't she put on the hotline and she could
Speaker 2: do the interview. She'd be much better than the both
Speaker 2: of us at this stuff. You might be right, yes,
Speaker 2: thank you, sorry to interrupt. All right, you're not interrupting.
Speaker 2: The legendary Tom Brendaman right there on the phone, his
Speaker 2: wife said, I need answers to side dishes.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 2: That's a pretty good endorsement. I would say right there
Speaker 2: in the household.
Speaker 7: A lot of the times, I always say pick your battles.
Speaker 7: You know, you could have your friends and family bring dishes.
Speaker 7: I love to cook, but I still get our mashed
Speaker 7: potatoes because I can't make them better than we do.
Speaker 7: We use beautiful French butter, whole fat cream. We steam
Speaker 7: our potatoes, their salt and pepper. I'm not going to
Speaker 7: spend the time.
Speaker 2: To potatoes the right way.
Speaker 7: Yeah, our potatoes are delicious, So I spend time doing
Speaker 7: some other fun stuff. So we have a lot of
Speaker 7: people who are picking and choosing their battles.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 7: And what's what Dorothan and Mark is gonna help with
Speaker 7: and what they can do at home?
Speaker 2: Is there such thing is a meat side dish? And
Speaker 2: what would that be for Thanksgiving? Mince meat pie is
Speaker 2: not meat? No, let's forget what it's nuts?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 9: Is it?
Speaker 2: Is that a chef? What's mince meat?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 7: No, it's like vegetables.
Speaker 2: Is vegetable? I thought it was not. I don't. I've
Speaker 2: had it once a long time ago. I'm like, there's
Speaker 2: something I'll never eat again.
Speaker 7: My husband would say, bacon side dish of bacon Thanksgiving?
Speaker 2: What is going on you? I want to know what
Speaker 2: Mike's table looks like right now, because it's a oh,
Speaker 2: we're gonna get a side dish alipator. Probably I would
Speaker 2: think we're gonna have meat and meat and meat.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but uh, I'm gonna I'm gonna have traditional sides
Speaker 6: with my turkey every every year. We gotta have and
Speaker 6: it's Uh, what's really cool is is that used to
Speaker 6: be my mom and dad did Thanksgiving at their house.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 6: Now they come to my house. So that's how it goes.
Speaker 6: It's gone for a full circle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's and that's the rich part about it is families, right,
Speaker 2: and as you get older, it's like in then the
Speaker 2: younger ones take it over and it's different, but it's
Speaker 2: the same, and it's just this tradition and the recipes
Speaker 2: seemingly through the families live forever. And that's and that's
Speaker 2: why I love Thanksgiving because it really is the essence
Speaker 2: of family getting together, and and friends too for that matter.
Speaker 2: And I think friends Giving is a big one. Now
Speaker 2: you probably see as many people come do in Friendsgivings
Speaker 2: as Thanksgiving. Correct we do, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's amazing. Uh,
Speaker 2: it will always be turkey though. Turkey will always be
Speaker 2: the tradition on Thanksgiving. And make sure again one sixty
Speaker 2: five right.
Speaker 7: One sixty five by that thermometer. It's the best insurance
Speaker 7: policy you have.
Speaker 2: Really, I think, I think that's the most underrated kitchen tool.
Speaker 2: And I have a bunch of you know, chef stuff
Speaker 2: in that, but use it, you know, like a thermopen
Speaker 2: or a even the wireless ones and bluetooth ones are great.
Speaker 7: So those probe thermometers are awesome. It takes that you're
Speaker 7: doing no math, no poundage, no nothing, regardless of what
Speaker 7: the recipe says or what the chef says, your turkey
Speaker 7: is done.
Speaker 2: And you know that you know this mic too. About
Speaker 2: getting the temperature right on meat is like, I have
Speaker 2: a it's called a meter thermometer and it's bluetooth and
Speaker 2: it literally says, okay, what are you cooking? I'm cooking beef? Okay,
Speaker 2: what kind of what cut of beef? Put the cut
Speaker 2: in there?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: What temperature? Boom and automatically does it tells you when
Speaker 2: it's done and you pull it off. It's amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you could.
Speaker 6: You could get those and use them in your your
Speaker 6: oven at home or if you have a smoker.
Speaker 3: I get that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you get to the smoker too, right, a smoker too,
Speaker 6: and you've got a wireless bluetooth that's sitting outside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know when it hits temp and you know,
Speaker 2: it alerts me and it's pull it off and it
Speaker 2: never misses. Then the thermopen is what chefs us. It's
Speaker 2: a fold it up. They're pretty cheap too, and it's
Speaker 2: a good investment. And you get an instant read thermometer.
Speaker 2: It's pretty easy that way. Make sure you're it's food safety.
Speaker 2: But it's also who wants to ruin because let's face it,
Speaker 2: food coasts are pretty expensive these days. You want you
Speaker 2: don't want to screw.
Speaker 7: It up right and the turkeys. If the turkey is
Speaker 7: the main course, you need to be right on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, Well again, congratulations on the opening.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to get in there at some point here,
Speaker 2: and that's gonna happen probably one of these days, because
Speaker 2: I'm doing Thanksgiving this year and get ready to cook.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stop by Dorothy Lane Market and Mason if
Speaker 2: you're looking for sides, they're ready to go, or you
Speaker 2: do the whole dinner and they're still available to the
Speaker 2: fresh turkeys and more. But thanks for coming in today
Speaker 2: and it's awfully nice to meet both of you and
Speaker 2: appreciate it. It's our pleasure.
Speaker 3: Thankes.
Speaker 2: Care all right, Scott Slone Show. We got to get
Speaker 2: a news update in just minutes. I'm hungry. Time to
Speaker 2: eat here seven hundred WW helping you put the big
Speaker 2: P in profession. Here's our career, sirpa. Julie Bouki, Yes
Speaker 2: she is, and she's here now. I'm the Scott Sloane
Speaker 2: Show on seven hundred W LW. She's off last week
Speaker 2: and jumps back in the fray this morning, rested and
Speaker 2: ready to go. Julie my dear, how are you?
Speaker 9: I'm fine, how are you?
Speaker 2: What are you laughing about? That wasn't funny. That was
Speaker 2: a serious compliment. Rested, that's I don't know, So we
Speaker 2: have an issue. This is interesting. These corporate CEOs are
Speaker 2: kind of pushing back a little bit. Here Ford Motors
Speaker 2: Jim Farley was pretty candid about some criticism. You're set
Speaker 2: this up? Tell what is this about? And what did
Speaker 2: he say that was so controversial?
Speaker 9: Yeah, So he was talking about their challenge in how
Speaker 9: do I how do we continue to produce that we
Speaker 9: need to produce when we don't have the talent to
Speaker 9: do it? And I thought there was just so many
Speaker 9: interesting things that in here. And one is that you
Speaker 9: know what we thought, we're looking to find mechanics. We
Speaker 9: have five thousand openings and they pay one hundred and
Speaker 9: twenty thousand dollars a year, like wow, And so that
Speaker 9: we've talked.
Speaker 4: About as many times.
Speaker 9: But I think what's interesting is we still are seeing
Speaker 9: this gap. And he said, we can't keep up with demand.
Speaker 9: We can't grow unless we have the talent, and we
Speaker 9: do not have the talent. We do not have people
Speaker 9: who want these shocks. We do not have people who
Speaker 9: are ready for these jobs, who have the skills for
Speaker 9: these jobs. And when we talk about we're getting all
Speaker 9: kinds of mixed messages from all over the place. We
Speaker 9: don't have the talent here, we have too much talent here.
Speaker 9: But it depends on what jobs you're talking about.
Speaker 4: Interesting.
Speaker 9: I love some of the staffs in this if. I
Speaker 9: so fascinating. The first ten months of last year, one
Speaker 9: hundred and fourteen thousand dollars, fourteen thousand Americans in their
Speaker 9: twenties completed vocational programs compared to one point two four
Speaker 9: million who graduated from four year colleges and four hundred
Speaker 9: and five thousands who received advanced degree. So you can
Speaker 9: see the demand and supply are way way way out of.
Speaker 4: Balance, and there's just not enough.
Speaker 9: At least at this point, there's not enough still buildings,
Speaker 9: there are enough people interested, or they're earn enough of
Speaker 9: those programs that are out there actively recruiting write people
Speaker 9: to prepare them for these jobs. I anticipate that Ford
Speaker 9: is either looking at or will look out creating an
Speaker 9: the hired training program. They may already have one that
Speaker 9: they don't want more people into it.
Speaker 2: Well, I know people in like the HVAC industry and
Speaker 2: Johnson's supply. They have their own HVAC school that they
Speaker 2: pay for and then they eventually as soon as you
Speaker 2: graduate in six to eight weeks, you move on and
Speaker 2: you've got a job with one of their contractors. And
Speaker 2: so many companies are doing that where they're it's like, listen,
Speaker 2: we have missed the mark. It's all about college education.
Speaker 2: It's the most important thing. And we have to do
Speaker 2: our own training and train up young people to go
Speaker 2: into these jobs. And one hundred and fourteen thousand Americans
Speaker 2: in their twenties completed vocational programs and that is about
Speaker 2: ten times less than what we need. And I think
Speaker 2: it's set up this way, Julie, because for years and
Speaker 2: a year I look at the system the way it is,
Speaker 2: in the bias it's built into this. Then this is
Speaker 2: the way it is. If you're an educator, all right,
Speaker 2: and you want to make more money as a teacher
Speaker 2: and eventually in a few years become an administrator, So
Speaker 2: we have this whole administrative class in our schools. You
Speaker 2: have to go and get another degree and more so
Speaker 2: you keep going back to school and then talk about
Speaker 2: how much money you don't make because there's so many
Speaker 2: teachers because it's a blind demand istion. I'm not grapping
Speaker 2: on teachers. We need them, they're so formative. I understand that.
Speaker 2: But I'm talking about the economic model here. And so
Speaker 2: if that is your steady died of college grad school,
Speaker 2: master's degree, doctorate, you think the only way to more
Speaker 2: money is more education, and that would be at a university.
Speaker 2: And so you tend to be biased and say, well,
Speaker 2: if you want to make something in your life, you
Speaker 2: got to go to college. And we have misserved the
Speaker 2: youth of America now for several generations with that mindset.
Speaker 2: And we took shop out of school, and there are
Speaker 2: budget cuts, and we took all these things out because
Speaker 2: they're expensive, but those were the that's the form of
Speaker 2: training that reaches so many people. And I have often
Speaker 2: lamented that, you wonder how many kids, how many millions
Speaker 2: of young people, their lives didn't go out as planned
Speaker 2: or certainly they didn't hit the expectations they have or
Speaker 2: never achieved the success it was imminent for them because
Speaker 2: they were never exposed to the stuff in the first place.
Speaker 2: And not only do they lose, but we lose because
Speaker 2: we don't have enough people in the class go up
Speaker 2: tremendously in the wait times, and we have a we
Speaker 2: still have a need to build things in this country
Speaker 2: that haven't been satisfied because of this whole model.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and we have been. This has been going on
Speaker 9: for decades and so it's really hard to turn this
Speaker 9: around on a dime. But the model, or the belief
Speaker 9: that's been really imprinted on us is college is the
Speaker 9: way to success.
Speaker 1: College is the only way.
Speaker 9: If you're smart and you bunt and you want success, well,
Speaker 9: that depends. It depends what you want to do. If
Speaker 9: you want to build bridges, gets, please get a college education.
Speaker 9: If you want to be a doctor, test lease. But
Speaker 9: we've taken this the idea that it's the only way
Speaker 9: to be successful, and we have wrapped it around the
Speaker 9: entire education system, from parents to high school to colleges.
Speaker 9: And what's now being very much exposed is that the
Speaker 9: high school, the high school education system, and a post
Speaker 9: high school education system have not kept up with their responsibility,
Speaker 9: which is to be responsive to what the market demands.
Speaker 9: No wonder having a college education is seen as you know,
Speaker 9: if it's an eye roll for a lot of people,
Speaker 9: don't care you go to Harvard and major in philosophy.
Speaker 9: Good for you, but so what versus having that be ooh,
Speaker 9: you're so smart, you've got a career successful. We have
Speaker 9: to change our thinking. That has to start with how
Speaker 9: we as a parents view what's preparing our kids for success.
Speaker 9: Looks like you can't high school done, check off college,
Speaker 9: check up box. They're out okay, but bye.
Speaker 4: You know now you're out on your own.
Speaker 9: Now you figure it out. That's why juniors in your basement.
Speaker 2: Julie Bouchie our career Shirp on the Sconsolon Show on
Speaker 2: seven hundred w LW Truth to Power right there, for sure,
Speaker 2: we need more people going to vocational programs. And you
Speaker 2: know we have subsidies for college and graduate education, so
Speaker 2: you keep going. It's the government's making money. They make
Speaker 2: sure that they get their money back because they're federally
Speaker 2: subsidized now. And it's a vicious cycle. But it's our
Speaker 2: own detriment too. And when you have the CEO of
Speaker 2: Ford Motor Company saying, listen, we've got a lift to
Speaker 2: bay with a lift and tools and no one to
Speaker 2: work in it. We don't have trade schools in this country.
Speaker 2: He's right, there's few, and there's more coming online right now,
Speaker 2: but there's such a backlog in need that it can't
Speaker 2: do it fast enough right now. So if you're a parent,
Speaker 2: can consider that maybe your kid isn't going to succeed
Speaker 2: in the academic world and it be college. It doesn't
Speaker 2: mean they're a failure. It doesn't mean it's reflection and
Speaker 2: you as a bad parent, you didn't do your job,
Speaker 2: that your kid is not going to be successful in life.
Speaker 2: To the contrary, it just maybe they're good at something
Speaker 2: different and that would be more tactile and more hands
Speaker 2: on that it is academic, and there's nothing wrong with that,
Speaker 2: but we have vilified that type of fashion for so long.
Speaker 2: It's become part of our DNA here in America, and
Speaker 2: if we don't change it, which I think we're trying to,
Speaker 2: and I think we're making some inroads here, it's to
Speaker 2: our own detriment too, because we were at about certainly
Speaker 2: the stems and gifted students and competing with the Chinese
Speaker 2: and the rest of the world. We'll have that and
Speaker 2: continue to churn out the best and the brightest. But
Speaker 2: the thought that somehow if you don't have a four
Speaker 2: year degree from somewhere that you are a lesser individual.
Speaker 2: That attitude has got to stop because it's wrong and all.
Speaker 2: It's punching down, but on top of that, it's really
Speaker 2: destroying our country because at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: you still need people to fix and build stuff and
Speaker 2: God blessed trades people because they go look down on
Speaker 2: but their hands are clean. Their hands might be dirty,
Speaker 2: but their money's clean. I've seen that phrase used often.
Speaker 2: Julie Balki our career ship on the Scotsland Show on
Speaker 2: seven hundred ww sheen er team ready to consult you
Speaker 2: about maybe a midlife career change or maybe you're starting
Speaker 2: out and anywhere in between at Thebalukigroup dot com. That's
Speaker 2: b a uk E. It's Julie on the job every
Speaker 2: Wednesday morning on the Scotts Slow Show. B Well, we'll
Speaker 2: talk next week or not we won't. Actually it's the hob.
Speaker 2: I'll be off next Wednesday, so you and Ja have
Speaker 2: a great Thanksgiving rest up and then we'll be ready
Speaker 2: to go in two weeks. How's that?
Speaker 3: Ye?
Speaker 2: Well, all right, all the best, Thanks again, Julie Buki
Speaker 2: on the job here in the Scott's Loan Show seven
Speaker 2: hundred w with them. Yeah, I think get a chance
Speaker 2: to check during the break here who should have But
Speaker 2: how ticket sales are for a Friday night at pay
Speaker 2: corps it's elder and Saint X. Is getting any bigger
Speaker 2: than that, I don't think it does. About fifty five
Speaker 2: minutes ago, some twenty thousand tickets were put on the
Speaker 2: market at that website, at the OHSAA website. That's the
Speaker 2: only place to get them because simply seven thousand seats
Speaker 2: at Mason was not going to get it done for
Speaker 2: this and so moving it to pay Corps. I got
Speaker 2: to give the Bengals credit because I often criticize the Bengals,
Speaker 2: but I'm fair and I will give ups when and
Speaker 2: props to people when they do stuff like the Bengals
Speaker 2: did to get this thing fast tracked. That's great because,
Speaker 2: as you know, the taxpayers of Amlin County were all
Speaker 2: paying for this in some way, shape or form of
Speaker 2: sales taxes. I don't have to tie if you owned
Speaker 2: property in Hamilton County how hard it is for you.
Speaker 2: But we often talk about how bad that deal was
Speaker 2: and how one sided seems things seem to be for
Speaker 2: the team, but the fact that they were will to
Speaker 2: get this done in less than twenty four hours. I
Speaker 2: give them full credit for this, and it's awesome. We
Speaker 2: need more of this stuff because it is a county
Speaker 2: owned facility and when you have two teams like this
Speaker 2: looking for a big venue. I'm glad that the Bengal
Speaker 2: stepped up and said, let's get this done. We're excited
Speaker 2: for We're actually excited for this, and we're going to
Speaker 2: work really hard behind the scenes to accommodate the students
Speaker 2: to student athletes from elder and say nex which is
Speaker 2: you want to hear. And so I'm not sure our
Speaker 2: ticket sales are. I'm to imagine those twenty thousand go
Speaker 2: pretty quickly. But I know the weather's not going to
Speaker 2: be supportive. But you know what, You put a garbage
Speaker 2: bag on, a poncho, some rain gear and you sit
Speaker 2: out and you're tough enough. Because the players are going
Speaker 2: to have the time of their life. And that's the
Speaker 2: coolest part about this is watching these young men get
Speaker 2: to play on an NFL field. That's something they can
Speaker 2: remember the regardless of the outcome. That's something you're going
Speaker 2: to remember the rest of your life. And so that's
Speaker 2: going on right now. First part of the show. I
Speaker 2: had Tom Gamble on. Yes, that Tom Gambler, Boy Gamble,
Speaker 2: formerly the two Angry Guy CEO of In Game Sports
Speaker 2: All the commissioner by the way of the GCL South,
Speaker 2: that'd be Elder and st X and super excited to
Speaker 2: have this. But we're talking about the NIL stuff that's
Speaker 2: going to be settled this week as we're talking Ohio
Speaker 2: school principles. As members of the Ohio High School Athletic Association,
Speaker 2: they're voting right now. They're taking a poll a straw pole,
Speaker 2: if you will, of principles on NIL. As you may recall,
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, they said, no, we're not doing this,
Speaker 2: we shouldn't pay student athletes. Along came a young man
Speaker 2: out of Dayton that changed this whole thing, by the
Speaker 2: name of Jamior Brown. He's only, by the way, as
Speaker 2: a sophomore, he only put up one thousand yards receiving
Speaker 2: and fifteen touchdowns. That's all. He's already committed to the
Speaker 2: Ohio State University for twenty twenty seven. Maybe because he
Speaker 2: couldn't get to UC, I'm not quite sure, but that
Speaker 2: kind of forced our hand at this thing. I don't know,
Speaker 2: I look at college I like, to me, if you're
Speaker 2: a teenager, should you keep your amateur status for some
Speaker 2: sort of I don't know, kind of remnant of years past,
Speaker 2: the quaintness of being Well, you're a student athlete, and
Speaker 2: it's just it's just so pure.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: Well, everyone around you, the schools, the coaches, the trainers,
Speaker 2: the booster, everyone makes money off of that performance on
Speaker 2: the field. And so to me, it is simply an
Speaker 2: American to not allow someone to use their name, image
Speaker 2: and likeness to enrich themselves. And well, they're amateur status
Speaker 2: in the administrators, and that's something the ministrators say, you know,
Speaker 2: it should be educational, it should be Well then okay, well,
Speaker 2: why are we hiring coaches like at one hundred thousand
Speaker 2: dollars a year for high school? Why are media companies
Speaker 2: making money off this? Why are apparel brands working money office.
Speaker 2: I'm watching kids with under armored jerseys, Nike with Adidas, right,
Speaker 2: your high school kid and the schools get money for that,
Speaker 2: the eighties getting everyone's making money off them except the
Speaker 2: person who's performing. And it's certainly it's an uncomfortable space
Speaker 2: between education and commercial enterprise. But there's a contradiction there,
Speaker 2: and this is really folks that jar way open right now.
Speaker 2: And the responses from the principled principles, it's it's like
Speaker 2: damage controls what it is. It's just their arguments make
Speaker 2: no sense whatsoever. And one of them was about, well,
Speaker 2: you know, it's one of the being a musician. You know,
Speaker 2: these are like, well, okay, you could be a musician
Speaker 2: and perform and still yeah, but it's like a weird
Speaker 2: argument that that's their justifications why athletes can etern money
Speaker 2: like musicians are artists or actors in high school. It's
Speaker 2: they argument undermines that that position. If I'm talented and
Speaker 2: can go being a band and make money and go
Speaker 2: to school, I can probably quit school. But I can
Speaker 2: go do that, Like how is this any different? And
Speaker 2: the aspect that you're not to be able to you know,
Speaker 2: use the image of the school or the school like
Speaker 2: I don't know, that seems to hurt the school. So
Speaker 2: hopefully they sort this thing out. And because we're like
Speaker 2: one of six states now that are left that don't
Speaker 2: have a plan, and you gotta have a plan otherwise
Speaker 2: the market will figure it out for you, and that's
Speaker 2: not good. We'll go to a news update very latest
Speaker 2: weather is obviously concern too, a little bit of break
Speaker 2: from the rain, but that's coming back in quick fashion.
Speaker 2: Jeff Kramerding is here next, speaking of the Bengals. This
Speaker 2: banks project is going on. This, this is where the
Speaker 2: city wants to move forward like yesterday, on finishing the banks,
Speaker 2: and the county is saying, we don't have the budget,
Speaker 2: the buildings are too tall, and a ferris wheel will
Speaker 2: disparage the Freedom Center. What this is the problem we
Speaker 2: have city and county government get around. Honestly, they get
Speaker 2: along like Israel and Hamas. For God's sakes, figure it out.
Speaker 2: Seven hundred WW Cincinnati don't want to be got slowed down.
Speaker 2: Seven hundred WLW. We have a plan after twenty years.
Speaker 2: We've got a plan to finish the banks in the
Speaker 2: upwards of seven hundred and fifty to eight hundred million
Speaker 2: dollars in redevelopment of the five remaining lots of the
Speaker 2: banks over the next fifteen years. So if you're a
Speaker 2: big fan of those concrete pillars that are sitting there,
Speaker 2: those peers as we call them, guess what they're going
Speaker 2: to get covered And over the next fifteen years we'll
Speaker 2: see it's gonna be luxury and market rate residential plus
Speaker 2: retail hotel, maybe some office space in there. But what's
Speaker 2: interesting is the county's reaction to this versus the cities
Speaker 2: reaction to this. And joining the show this morning is
Speaker 2: council Member jeff Cramerton, who sits on the infrastructure and
Speaker 2: building and committees like that, so the appropriate guy to
Speaker 2: talk to in a situation like this. Jeffrey, welcome, How are.
Speaker 3: You very well? It's great to be here.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Before we begin, I know that you are passionately ready
Speaker 2: for Friday night at not the high school football field
Speaker 2: at Mason, home of the Commets, but rather Paycorp home
Speaker 2: of the Bengals. Because you're a proud set You're a
Speaker 2: proud St X guy, right.
Speaker 3: No, sir, I am a proud elder pH Yeah, pride
Speaker 3: of Prate till the pride of Prate still.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But don't don't you ever a Do you have a
Speaker 2: nephew that plays for Saint X.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you've divided loyalties of Crambering family. We will
Speaker 3: be there utting on the Elder Panthers to victory, but
Speaker 3: all cheering for my nephew and Jus and Andrew who's
Speaker 3: the starting left tackle between ex bombers.
Speaker 2: Now, you're not gonna wear one of those tire jerseys.
Speaker 2: It's half Saint X half the Elder, are you.
Speaker 3: I will not be doing that. I'll be wearing my
Speaker 3: I'll be wearing my. My purple had a boy.
Speaker 2: A boy had a boy. And hopefully the trader has
Speaker 2: not that great a game, but an okay game anyway, Uh, creamy,
Speaker 2: And let's get into this. It's been twenty years since
Speaker 2: we've got this. We're finally now talking about the next
Speaker 2: fifteen years. I that just makes my head hurt, considering
Speaker 2: the gift that we had, which are the two stadia
Speaker 2: downtown and all that space in order to get people
Speaker 2: down there. And this thing has been plotting along and
Speaker 2: the reason is well, one of the reasons, of course,
Speaker 2: is the city and the county. And I'll point this
Speaker 2: out before get to the details of what this buildout
Speaker 2: is going to be. Hamlet County Commissioner Lisia Rees said,
Speaker 2: we're kind of broke right now. Denise treet Hoouse concerns
Speaker 2: over the height of this thing, and other commissioners just
Speaker 2: don't see it even on the radar right now. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: those of you a council want to move forward like
Speaker 2: yesterday on this project. So the time and the money
Speaker 2: council is on it. Commissioners don't want this. You guys
Speaker 2: are excited there now. Can you explain and maybe help
Speaker 2: us understand the difference and enthusiasm between the county and
Speaker 2: the city.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I really can't speak for the County commission.
Speaker 3: I don't know why. There is no answer you. The
Speaker 3: city of Cincinnati is growing. We're excited about that. We're
Speaker 3: leading the nation and concuting office buildings, residential. There's a
Speaker 3: tremendous demand. I mean, we've talked about this. We know
Speaker 3: that new bill. It is necessary to meet the demand
Speaker 3: for downtown. Thanks is a great place to do it.
Speaker 3: So we're growing the city, we're growing the economy. This
Speaker 3: council is bullish on it. We want to get done.
Speaker 2: The height of this thing, it'd be up to twenty
Speaker 2: four stories to make it financially viable. But Denie Street
Speaker 2: House Commissioned President worries about blocking daylight. And your colleague
Speaker 2: and our good friend on the show, Seth Walsh, wants
Speaker 2: even taller buildings. Said, well, let's let's you know, we're
Speaker 2: a downtown. It's a big city. Let's scrape the sky here,
Speaker 2: you know, and now we're talking it feels almost like
Speaker 2: what like they are in the Hyde Park discussion all
Speaker 2: over again here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just feel like that. Definitely some similar things.
Speaker 3: I mean, the more people the better, especially for an
Speaker 3: entertainment district like the Bank, so you have more people
Speaker 3: in there to fuel the restaurants, to fuel the retail.
Speaker 3: You know, we need more people. A couple of the
Speaker 3: buildings are most for twenty four stories. Most are under eleven.
Speaker 3: So to me, this is not very controversial. We need
Speaker 3: to get moving forward in the critical discussions over the
Speaker 3: next couple of weeks or you know, how are we
Speaker 3: going to fund this? So I hope we can find
Speaker 3: a situation where we can partner with the county and
Speaker 3: to the extent that this is not a priority for them,
Speaker 3: you know, have the city run with it.
Speaker 2: Here's the shot that's gonna hurt. This is gonna hurt
Speaker 2: because we're talking about some luxury housing up there as
Speaker 2: well as market rate. Nothing about affordable housing. We'll get
Speaker 2: to that in just a second. But essentially someone's going
Speaker 2: to go, look, why are we giving taxpayer money to
Speaker 2: subsidize luxury housing. Is that a fair question?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, as I said, there's a demand for downpath,
Speaker 3: but building a place like the Banks, you know, is
Speaker 3: going to take some subsidies. That a tax abatement, is
Speaker 3: that the use of our down tip funds which we
Speaker 3: use for development. You know, what does that look like?
Speaker 3: Those details are critically important. As I pointed out, that
Speaker 3: was not part of the conversation yesterday. We were just
Speaker 3: talking about planning and the vision. The money. He is
Speaker 3: always important to make these things happen. That's the critical
Speaker 3: conversation that's going to happen right now.
Speaker 2: Where's the affordable housing in US?
Speaker 3: That from my perspective, it's always supplying demand. We need
Speaker 3: more house. We don't have enough thousands because we need
Speaker 3: to build housing. If we have enough housing, the market
Speaker 3: will take care of itself. So you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: especially you're talking about rent restrictions which some people are
Speaker 3: talking about, is you know, a restricting the amount of
Speaker 3: rent that makes developments like this harder and it makes
Speaker 3: more subside from the taxpayer. So market rates right here,
Speaker 3: general market rates we're talking about in the city. We
Speaker 3: just need to build more housing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if you live in a three hundred
Speaker 2: thousand dollars house and you're doing while you're like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, now we can do our dream house and
Speaker 2: maybe you move into a one or two million dollar
Speaker 2: place like this and that, But that frees up that
Speaker 2: three hundred thousand dollars unit for someone else to get
Speaker 2: in and realize their dream. That's how the system works.
Speaker 2: And I understand we need way more affordable housing than
Speaker 2: we have already in the urban areas, but it doesn't
Speaker 2: make sense to me to now have a luxury and
Speaker 2: market rate and market rates are pretty high for this
Speaker 2: area downtown. I mean, why would you charge somebody six
Speaker 2: hundred dollars a month to have the view of the
Speaker 2: river that people willing to pay a couple million dollars
Speaker 2: a art. It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's the dynamic that we're seen throughout the city.
Speaker 3: You know, there's you know, several there's a lot of
Speaker 3: very hot nabors and people are trying to get into them.
Speaker 3: They cancer they're pushing people out, and it's right, it's
Speaker 3: you know, creating high sale prices, higher rents the neighborhoods
Speaker 3: surrounding that. So that's why we need more housing throughout
Speaker 3: the city.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and the twenty four stories doesn't seem that
Speaker 2: tall quite honestly, considering I mean, yeah, we built the
Speaker 2: great American Insurance Tower with the uh you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: and I don't remember anyone bitching about that being too hot.
Speaker 3: Looks great, That's exactly right. We've got a great park
Speaker 3: down there. You know, We've got Central Park in New York,
Speaker 3: Grant Park in Chicago, alter by very tall buildings. It's
Speaker 3: not aesthetic year of those great parts.
Speaker 2: I won't hurt are either, well, right, So we have
Speaker 2: a war going on here between the county and the city.
Speaker 2: What else is new? Jeff Kramerding is on the show
Speaker 2: this morning, representing the City of Cincinnati. Wants to move
Speaker 2: forward quickly soon and build it bigger and bigger than
Speaker 2: ever before, bigger and better than ever before, with the
Speaker 2: final phase of the banks over the next fifteen years,
Speaker 2: Whereas Hamlin County commissioners, all three of them, are reluctant
Speaker 2: to move forward, and this for various reasons. One of them, though,
Speaker 2: and this is a real serious question here, is you
Speaker 2: have the Central Riverfront garage there and they're estimating that's
Speaker 2: about thirty million dollars in costs to rebuild us to
Speaker 2: redo this, and it is including the development cost. So
Speaker 2: the county's got a review whether they can fund that.
Speaker 2: But if you don't have garage infrastructure down there, doesn't
Speaker 2: this whole thing fall apart.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you absolutely need to build the garage to build
Speaker 3: the development on top of it. So in the garages
Speaker 3: are also using a lot of revenue. The more development
Speaker 3: we have down there, the more revenue the garages and velved.
Speaker 3: So it's a complex puzzle, but you know it's one
Speaker 3: that asks me solved to get this movement.
Speaker 2: Well, they're saying they don't have the money.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, budgets are tied everywhere. I talked Abo
Speaker 3: about the city's budget many times and concerns about that.
Speaker 3: The long term solution is growth, more people paying earning stacks,
Speaker 3: more people think health stacks. So we're focusing on how
Speaker 3: to grow of the city is important. It said that
Speaker 3: the banks has always been a critical portion of this
Speaker 3: region's gross for twenty five years now and we're still
Speaker 3: talking about we're still in the planning stage is a
Speaker 3: lot of these lots. So that's very frustrating and we
Speaker 3: need to move forward.
Speaker 2: One of the hang ups too. And this is kind
Speaker 2: of minor. I think it's I don't know, it's kind
Speaker 2: of picky you and myself. But Alas Shares, who's on
Speaker 2: the show the other day, said that she's not happy
Speaker 2: with that ferris wheel or proposing put a permanent ferris
Speaker 2: wheel downtown in front of the right behind the National
Speaker 2: Underground Railroad Freedom Center, so where they sing the Queen
Speaker 2: City sign is that to get pulled out and you
Speaker 2: put a ferris wheel there, And she says that's disrespectful.
Speaker 2: I don't know. That seems like that seems like a
Speaker 2: stretch to me. You know, there's plenty of stuff around that.
Speaker 2: There's bars, there's restaurants, you have street vessels and the like.
Speaker 2: I understand the significance of that museum, but that ferris
Speaker 2: wheel is pretty far away.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I like the ferris wheel. I like attractions. I like
Speaker 3: things that are going to you know, bring families, your
Speaker 3: families time of a bank. So yeah, I like the
Speaker 3: ferris wheel. I don't be a problem with location. It
Speaker 3: seems like it was successful and we had the test pilot,
Speaker 3: so I have no problem with that being part of
Speaker 3: this equation. And you know, I think other attractions as
Speaker 3: well would be great.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think as a parent, if you bring your
Speaker 2: kid to the National Underground Railroad Free Center, the Freedom
Speaker 2: Center in the Railroad Museum, I think it's one of
Speaker 2: the things we were a kid. You don't want to
Speaker 2: go because you think it's stupid because you're a kid
Speaker 2: and you don't realize the significance of this and what
Speaker 2: you're seeing, especially if you're a person of color, it
Speaker 2: means a lot more. But at the same time, you go, hey, listen,
Speaker 2: you know what if you don't act like a fool
Speaker 2: inside the museum and act right, well, well you can
Speaker 2: ride the Ferris wheil when you're done. Seems like a
Speaker 2: good a good carrot to dangle in front of kids
Speaker 2: that want.
Speaker 3: To do that, right, got the hair cell down there,
Speaker 3: all right, Right, that's a great track.
Speaker 2: Well that's where you want if you want them next year.
Speaker 2: And it's across the street too, So I think now
Speaker 2: we're just looking for stuff to reasons to go. I
Speaker 2: don't like it. Jeff kramerding As far as this build
Speaker 2: out goes, it's going to be a high rise residential retail.
Speaker 2: The parking thing's got to sort that out. Maybe office
Speaker 2: in there as well too. But the hotel element. Uh,
Speaker 2: there's concerns saying now we have too many hotels. Is
Speaker 2: that true?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, we are. We've built a tremendous number of hotels.
Speaker 3: That's one I've I always ask our experts. I've asked
Speaker 3: a three c DC many times and continue to have
Speaker 3: to get in. I am told and presumably these hotels
Speaker 3: are building these that the need is still there. So
Speaker 3: I think that's a great sign for how robust development
Speaker 3: and how much vibrancy is is around downtown. So, yes,
Speaker 3: we have built a lot. I have always concerns we
Speaker 3: don't want overbuild and have vacant hotels, but we're not
Speaker 3: seeing that in the fact that these hotels are so
Speaker 3: interested it's important. And of course that location really does
Speaker 3: make sense right between the two stadiums. You know, we're
Speaker 3: competing with other cities for the Behaflis Pittsburgh. You know
Speaker 3: there's people from out the region. We want to draw
Speaker 3: them in for the Reds and banking games. But also
Speaker 3: you know a team and you know people go on
Speaker 3: the road to watch their team and they decide which
Speaker 3: to say they want to go to. And having a
Speaker 3: hotel right there by the state. Let's get to Cincinnati
Speaker 3: for a weekend and watch the Colts or whatever the
Speaker 3: team is. So that's great we get from out of town.
Speaker 4: That's just.
Speaker 3: Straight money in the banks of the City of Cincinnati
Speaker 3: and Hamilton County.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the market dictates, if you need to
Speaker 2: tell or not. I always hate when politicians, especially decide
Speaker 2: what the market needs. Now, the market needs what it needs.
Speaker 2: You know, we have a historic building across from you know,
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Hotel, for example, and you know that was
Speaker 2: beautiful back in the day when it was designed. But
Speaker 2: it's been an I store for a long time and
Speaker 2: they're finally redoing it and going to make it something else.
Speaker 2: So it's not like these projects when they've surpassed their
Speaker 2: useful life, don't get converted into something else. It's downtown space.
Speaker 2: It's certainly not going to happen overnight. The other part
Speaker 2: of this, too is I was reading something that they
Speaker 2: did one of those cost benefit analysis or the economic
Speaker 2: impact from the banks has been about two billion dollars
Speaker 2: over the year. But I heard that one Oh okay,
Speaker 2: well two billion dollars. That's a great economic impact. But
Speaker 2: on the other side of your mouth, you're going, well,
Speaker 2: it's been they've been treading water for like twenty years,
Speaker 2: and now we need hundreds of millions of dollars in
Speaker 2: public subsidy to finish this thing. We've got to give
Speaker 2: some subsidy to the luxury condo and apartment owners over there,
Speaker 2: and the market rate housing and everything else. And so
Speaker 2: what's the actual return on investmers for taxpayers? Are we
Speaker 2: are we subsidizing private developers and team owners or is
Speaker 2: this generally the best practice? I mean, if if there's
Speaker 2: a two billion dollar economic impact, how could we be
Speaker 2: treading water for twenty years?
Speaker 3: Yeah, when it comes to the the financials, now we're
Speaker 3: going to build, that's critical. And again you know we
Speaker 3: were not we were not in those details yesterday. I
Speaker 3: think over the next couple of weeks and months that's
Speaker 3: going to be critically important. And what types of incentives
Speaker 3: are we talking I mean, are we talking about, uh,
Speaker 3: the tax debatement for sex number of years? Are we
Speaker 3: talking about from sort of TIFFs, the development back into
Speaker 3: the tanks, tun from more developments? The financial details? Uh
Speaker 3: was not. We're not there yesterday. That something you know,
Speaker 3: I questioned, and and to me, that's the critical part
Speaker 3: of it, and we talked about building the partnership with
Speaker 3: the county. Uh, those details and what that structure is
Speaker 3: going to look like and how are we at this
Speaker 3: moving is important. So uh, that was not yesterday. Yesterday
Speaker 3: was about you know, Banning and the Vision Council. We're
Speaker 3: very excitted about it, but you know, now it's time
Speaker 3: to get down to work and hammered out coming over
Speaker 3: with the deal that is beneficial to the city and taxpayers.
Speaker 2: And then now all point out too. It took twenty
Speaker 2: years because of that awful Bengals lease we had wouldn't
Speaker 2: allow us to build anything over the size of a
Speaker 2: bag house or crying out loud, and finally we got
Speaker 2: that blown up and move in the right direction, which
Speaker 2: is why now you have twenty years ago you could
Speaker 2: add all this stuff down there, and it's been sitting
Speaker 2: vacant and empty, and it looks ridiculous when you go
Speaker 2: through the parking lot down there in the garage and
Speaker 2: see all these concrete pillars and piers sticking out of
Speaker 2: the ground. It's just you look, you look at it
Speaker 2: and you go, this doesn't make any sense because it's
Speaker 2: not like it was five it's been two decades.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's unfortunate that we keep coming back to that
Speaker 3: sales tax increase, because yeah, there was the terms of
Speaker 3: the lease, but when voters passed that in nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 3: they were, from my perspective, promise, you know, two stadiums
Speaker 3: in an entertainment district in a marina and uh, you
Speaker 3: know when when that when the tax came out, there
Speaker 3: was you know, barely enough to stay for the stadium. So,
Speaker 3: I mean taxpayers were frustrated. They thought that was that
Speaker 3: that was the solution, and that was not been I think,
Speaker 3: I know that's been part of the kind of the
Speaker 3: company financial woes, and that's part of where we're at
Speaker 3: twenty five years later. But you know that was twenty
Speaker 3: five years ago. We're in the situation that we're in,
Speaker 3: and we move forward.
Speaker 2: Yeah, finally, Jeff Kramer ding I look at this and go, well, okay,
Speaker 2: eight hundred million dollar bills. I've got a lot going
Speaker 2: on as a final piece of the puzzle for the banks,
Speaker 2: and hopefully it just puts everything over the top here.
Speaker 2: But the timeline to get this thing approved for council
Speaker 2: anyway and totally excludes what's going on with the county
Speaker 2: as you're trying to get this thing together and when
Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven, So just a couple of months and
Speaker 2: vote on the zoning changes and everything else. That's a
Speaker 2: pretty fast and aggressive timeline.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a thing.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: We've got our we've got some tools that are always
Speaker 3: available towards tax debatment. So our budget has to be
Speaker 3: done spring and summer. So if we're talking about a
Speaker 3: financialist from the city, that's our timeline. So I reminded
Speaker 3: everything out that yesterday. That's the reason I said that
Speaker 3: the hard work has to begin as soon if we're
Speaker 3: gonna get this done.
Speaker 2: Jeff Primating on the show this morning on seven hundred
Speaker 2: double that it sounds like a hard to tell, but
Speaker 2: a majority of council wants to move forward on this one,
Speaker 2: and you're gonna butt heads with the county commissioners said,
Speaker 2: we're broke and it's not a priority. So we'll see
Speaker 2: how this works out. Hopefully we get this thing done
Speaker 2: in short time. Is there going to be negotiations within
Speaker 2: the county and the city on this Are they happening now?
Speaker 3: Yes. The The next step, which we did talk about
Speaker 3: yesterday was meetings between the county administration and the city administration.
Speaker 3: I think that's going to begin next week or the
Speaker 3: week after and really talk about, you know what this
Speaker 3: structure looks like, ideally would be looking at, you know,
Speaker 3: sort of a ad ominibus agreement. You know what the
Speaker 3: county's going to pay for and what the sea's gonna
Speaker 3: pay for, and do it across the state. You know,
Speaker 3: that's the stretch that you're talking about. You that there
Speaker 3: is lots of which, lots of the priority, Which was
Speaker 3: that you do first? And what are those agree it's
Speaker 3: going to look like. I think that's where we're rather
Speaker 3: the next couple of weeks. And that's given me the
Speaker 3: difficult part.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, hopefully we can get moving forward here,
Speaker 2: find the money and get this thing done. Ferris Wheels,
Speaker 2: it's too high, it's too deep, but enough excuses. It's unsightly,
Speaker 2: and it gives us a bad look and has been
Speaker 2: giving us a bad look for twenty years. Get this
Speaker 2: damn thing done. Jeff, all the best, Thanks again, and
Speaker 2: good luck tomorrow Friday. I guess I should say it
Speaker 2: is only Wednesday for fect. I want the weekend now,
Speaker 2: damn it be well. Thanks buddy, appreciate it. Got a
Speaker 2: news update and more to follow afterwards. Here on seven
Speaker 2: hundred WW. And that's Sarah least snort report on the
Speaker 2: way next seven hundred WW. All right, Sarah's here. I'm
Speaker 2: not expecting much to day. She's tired of crabby and
Speaker 2: crampy and everything else.
Speaker 4: How you doing?
Speaker 1: How did you know about my crampiness? I'm actually in
Speaker 1: a really good mood today.
Speaker 4: You are?
Speaker 1: Are you just a couple of days away until I'm
Speaker 1: offer an entire week from h Look at you? One
Speaker 1: whole week of vacation coming up, baby, we're counting it down.
Speaker 2: Are you going to stay off Instagram for a week?
Speaker 1: Hell no, We're not going out far and just got
Speaker 1: to keep creating exactly.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: I love me my social media. Do we want to
Speaker 1: start with high school football or professional? I got big
Speaker 1: news in both.
Speaker 2: Well, let's start with a high school one, because that's
Speaker 2: the first and foremost. Here with a snort report with
Speaker 2: Sarah Elise. You're on seven hundred WOWS Social Media v
Speaker 2: Sports and we have Elder Saint X at pay Corps. Friday,
Speaker 2: I think twenty thousand tickets went on sale early. They're
Speaker 2: all gone how exciting was that? Could they fill it
Speaker 2: up with sixty five k I think they're just I
Speaker 2: don't know why they decided twenty to cap it, but.
Speaker 1: Maybe and this is what I I'm guessing here, volunteer
Speaker 1: help for the concessions that could be it. That is
Speaker 1: a big stadium to fill up for.
Speaker 2: It would have been cool because I think you could
Speaker 2: filled you got football.
Speaker 1: There the next day and night. So yeah, I think
Speaker 1: they're going to be setting up early the next day
Speaker 1: for the ten am lives.
Speaker 2: Think as you're playing for sane x or Elder and
Speaker 2: you're on the field, how cool is that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so excited for these kids, their families, the schools,
Speaker 1: are city. I feel like this is a big win
Speaker 1: all around for really everybody.
Speaker 2: And the other thing is, you know, this is easily
Speaker 2: going to be the best football played there since Week
Speaker 2: two exactly.
Speaker 1: At least we'll see some winning Cincinnati. But what a
Speaker 1: big weekend for Cincinnati sports though. Man, we got all
Speaker 1: kind of stuff going on. There's so much to get Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Katie Blackburn is saying that every effort with this
Speaker 1: game on Friday is going to be made to make
Speaker 1: sure this is a wonderful experience for students, athletes, their families,
Speaker 1: the schools, and the broader community. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: going to bring in so many people. And she goes
Speaker 1: on to say the Bengals are thinking everyone for their
Speaker 1: outstanding efforts across the board, so good luck to both tell.
Speaker 2: I was honestly, I gotta give them credit because you
Speaker 2: haveten to hammer them. But I was honestly surprised at
Speaker 2: how quickly the Bengals came around said yeah, let's do
Speaker 2: very quick. It's very cool.
Speaker 1: I feel like this was a talk for This was
Speaker 1: a conversation for what twenty four hours.
Speaker 2: In no way, they can't act that fast on anything,
Speaker 2: because they did.
Speaker 1: It was originally going to be played in Mason with
Speaker 1: seven thousand people. Yeah, and everybody missed out. So here
Speaker 1: we go, paycord to the rescue and Friday night it
Speaker 1: is holy Grail says they're going to be showing the
Speaker 1: game so in case you can't make it to the stadium,
Speaker 1: they're going to open their doors for that. And I
Speaker 1: believe we're going to have this game on Fox Sports
Speaker 1: thirteen sixty. Is that correct?
Speaker 2: I believe.
Speaker 1: So there you go. This all came together so quick.
Speaker 1: I love it. And then do you know where they
Speaker 1: looking for volunteers to help out with concessions.
Speaker 2: They're probably okay with with the boosters from both sides
Speaker 2: people to do that, I think, so yeah, I don't know, yeah,
Speaker 2: but it's going to go on and whether it's not
Speaker 2: looking good, but hey, you're planning a Paycorns.
Speaker 1: You're you're these kids are gonna love it rain or
Speaker 1: shine playing at Paycor's gonna be so cool coming out
Speaker 1: of that tunnel. And they say they're gonna be parking
Speaker 1: easy to ten bucks for parking down there. So if
Speaker 1: you're worried about the high pricing, if way too much
Speaker 1: for westsiders, ten dollars Now I don't know which garage
Speaker 1: is the are gonna be ten dollars.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's for renting a bus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how that's all going to work out. But they're
Speaker 1: saying ten dollars parking, so the bus good. That's the report.
Speaker 1: Also trending in high school football, TAFT being blamed for
Speaker 1: some damage at the Indian Hill locker room. This was
Speaker 1: trending last night, it's trending this morning. Uh, they're being
Speaker 1: accused of damaging the walls from the game lost Friday,
Speaker 1: when Taft did not win that one against Indian Hill.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I saw some of the footage and it's it's not
Speaker 2: just a couple holes in the drivable. I mean they
Speaker 2: literally look like they're doing it. Looked like property brothers
Speaker 2: are coming in to do a remodel.
Speaker 1: So Indian Hill is saying that Taft caused this damage. However,
Speaker 1: last night doing a deep dive into this whole thing
Speaker 1: because I am obsessed with this story. I'm so obsessed.
Speaker 2: You have no idea, Senior investigative sports reporter Sarah Lee.
Speaker 1: Literally, I'm so invested and I want to know everything.
Speaker 1: There was a coach weighing in and he said, hey,
Speaker 1: week six, we were there, the damage was already there.
Speaker 1: He goes, I'm a coach. We were there weeks Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's like, why has this just been sitting one
Speaker 1: if that is the case. Also, there is a video
Speaker 1: trending online of these kids from Taft coming into the
Speaker 1: locker room about five forty on that Friday night. They've
Speaker 1: got their backpacks and they're all, like, you know, in
Speaker 1: their warm up gear. They're not even in their football
Speaker 1: unieds yet.
Speaker 2: The sledgehammers, not that.
Speaker 1: And you can see them kind of like walking into
Speaker 1: the visitor locker room space and in the background or
Speaker 1: the damaged walls. Really, the damaged walls behind.
Speaker 2: This should be pretty easy to corroborate since there are
Speaker 2: no what how many games between week six and now
Speaker 2: that someone go, yeah, we're in that locker rooms.
Speaker 1: This should be solved very quickly by the end of
Speaker 1: the day, I hope.
Speaker 2: So it would be seems easy to produce evidence to find.
Speaker 1: Out last night this took up my whole feet and
Speaker 1: Taft parents are speaking out there, like, look, my son
Speaker 1: plays there. He told us that this damage was there
Speaker 1: when they showed up. Really, uh huh, So it's it's
Speaker 1: not like you don't go in the locker room and
Speaker 1: clean it. They would know the damage right away. Why
Speaker 1: would they wait until Taft was there too?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Why would they wait until Tuesday to speak out about
Speaker 1: something that allegedly happened on Friday when the two teams
Speaker 1: played each other at Indian Hill.
Speaker 2: Interesting, but I'm again I'm so upsetsed. Weird story. It's
Speaker 2: such a weird story because I thought, okay, well.
Speaker 1: Well, and it's definitely gotten deep because this.
Speaker 2: Taft loss was controversial, fumble goal I scored very much
Speaker 2: pissed off and it fits a timeline and it's a
Speaker 2: bad election.
Speaker 1: On Taft, is you know, with what Indian Hill is
Speaker 1: saying that they did. So parents are like, absolutely not,
Speaker 1: that's not what happened. My son is telling me that
Speaker 1: the damage was already there. And if you see the
Speaker 1: social media video, it's trending everywhere all of our Facebook, X,
Speaker 1: Instagram and and now the news articles are picking it up.
Speaker 1: It's you see the wall, the damaged walls behind the kids.
Speaker 1: So I stand with Taft on this one as of
Speaker 1: right now, that's how I stand with. I stand with
Speaker 1: tot how's my support?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Well, based off of what parents are saying, what the
Speaker 1: coaches are saying, what the social media video shows, right,
Speaker 1: it shows that Taft is innocent.
Speaker 2: So if Taff I'm guilty and they proclaim innocence here,
Speaker 2: then that's an even bigger.
Speaker 1: We're going to have another, uh you know conversation.
Speaker 2: Many people want to go play at Taft because of
Speaker 2: what happens in the extra early right, and now if
Speaker 2: they're if they do this on the road, how many
Speaker 2: teams are going to want to play taft.
Speaker 1: Based off of what I saw, it looks like they're
Speaker 1: innocent in this situation.
Speaker 2: But you better hope that's the case. If not that,
Speaker 2: I truly hope it's the case. I want to believe
Speaker 2: Indian he'll make that. It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: And also like who did this?
Speaker 2: Who caused the damage to the law and in what
Speaker 2: twelve weeks?
Speaker 1: Yes, but yeah, especially if your coach is speaking out
Speaker 1: like okay, we were there week six and it was
Speaker 1: already it was already like yeah, which they played?
Speaker 2: Which did they?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Again? This should be very easy to solve. And people
Speaker 1: are asking for cameras from the locker room. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: you can't have that up there because dudes are you know,
Speaker 1: changing getting into their uniform, so you can't do that.
Speaker 1: All right, But this looked like it was just a
Speaker 1: taking off of a cell phone, like the guys coming
Speaker 1: in and it just the time stamp on It was
Speaker 1: five forty three pm.
Speaker 2: So slowly with Keith Morrison in the start report this
Speaker 2: morning here at.
Speaker 1: Seven, Like I said, I was watching Dancing with the
Speaker 1: Stars last night, but this grabbed my attention so quick.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I have no idea what's going on dancing
Speaker 1: with the stars, because now I'm very much focused on
Speaker 1: these two teams right here, and what the drama is.
Speaker 2: There no dust on the hands of the player? Wooh
Speaker 2: so oh that peske crowbar? All right? What else is
Speaker 2: going on?
Speaker 1: Also trending with our Cincinnati Bengals. Yesterday, no practice. They're
Speaker 1: getting back to it today, but they did announce that
Speaker 1: I Show Speed is the ruler of the jungle for
Speaker 1: this Sunday when they host the Patriots, the hottest team
Speaker 1: in football.
Speaker 2: I also had to look up this guy because I
Speaker 2: was like, Iso Speed, what is show See gamer?
Speaker 1: He's a gamer. He's got forty four million followers on TikTok.
Speaker 2: I knew that, you didn't.
Speaker 1: He's from Cincinnati, he's only twenty years old, graduated from
Speaker 1: Purcell Marion and people love this guy. But can he tackle?
Speaker 1: Can he suit up?
Speaker 2: All you have to do is sit in the throne.
Speaker 2: That's all you gotta do.
Speaker 1: So he's going to be getting everyone hyped up before
Speaker 1: that game. Okay, cool, he's very well loved. I did
Speaker 1: some stocking this morning. I'm like, yeah, he's a cool dude,
Speaker 1: so good good for him. Someone who will not be
Speaker 1: there on Sunday Jamar Chase because his suspension appeal was denied.
Speaker 2: We saw that coming.
Speaker 1: The proof is in the footage.
Speaker 2: I said, a game, a game, it's a game, but
Speaker 2: he denied it. What about that conspiracy?
Speaker 1: Well, remember when they asked him. They're like, okay, well
Speaker 1: did you spit on Jalen Ramsey or not? He goes, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'll never spit. I ain't spent on nobody. That's what
Speaker 1: he said. I ain't spent on no flying We saw
Speaker 1: the spit. FO nineteen was like, here's the spit.
Speaker 2: One magic loogie in that one magic for another player.
Speaker 2: I don't think there are a second angle on it.
Speaker 2: We only had the one angle. Was there a second spinner?
Speaker 2: Grassy Chuck Nol, what about it?
Speaker 1: This is why I appreciate that you appreciate Seinfeld, but
Speaker 1: I also with everybody. I had to pause the video,
Speaker 1: I had to zoom in, and I'm taking screenshots and
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's really hard to see the spit, but
Speaker 1: the spit is there.
Speaker 3: So there you go.
Speaker 2: There definitely a spit. There's something flying there.
Speaker 1: And he's also not going to be getting his weekly
Speaker 1: paycheck of a cool four hundred and forty eight thousand bucks.
Speaker 5: So you're saying, Tony, I know that's pretty close to
Speaker 5: what you get from my heart. So so you're saying that,
Speaker 5: no Burrow, no, no Jamar. So you're saying, there's a chance.
Speaker 1: So could you imagine the hottest team in football is
Speaker 1: coming to Cincinnati?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, Trey Hendrickson, no, Shamar Stewart, No, no Jamar Chase,
Speaker 1: no Joe Burrow. Who else are we missing?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Cam Taylor Britt We just found out he's having season
Speaker 1: ending foot surgery. Thank god, I know I'm missing a
Speaker 1: bunch of others. I did just say Shamar Stewart, doesn't.
Speaker 5: Stewart Shamar Stewart, Well, I mean guys that can actually
Speaker 5: having the worst ever guys, We don't you know if
Speaker 5: you're Shamar Stewart or what.
Speaker 1: Stone said?
Speaker 4: This one out?
Speaker 2: We just play like four guys the other and these.
Speaker 1: Guys from SEXT stick around.
Speaker 2: They're left handed. How's that we'll make it fair and
Speaker 2: only win by by two scores? There, So Zach.
Speaker 1: Taylor is defending his guide Jamar Chase. He goes, look,
Speaker 1: making one mistake doesn't disregard everything. The cover up, That's
Speaker 1: what I was talking about the other day, and he goes, look,
Speaker 1: it's one thing to do it. Yeah, that it's a
Speaker 1: bad thing. He goes, but why did you lie about it?
Speaker 1: Especially when there are cameras that don't I'm sorry at
Speaker 1: Akrocer Stadium.
Speaker 2: So anyway, gate continues, So Lord sing over the Bengals.
Speaker 2: The only thing that Bengals can win Sunday's a coin toss.
Speaker 2: That's about it.
Speaker 1: We'll see how that goes.
Speaker 2: I watch him come out and rull New England. We
Speaker 2: never know.
Speaker 1: Every week is a surprise.
Speaker 2: I need a lot of help as a Bills fan.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I lot of help and help.
Speaker 2: But no, they're not need the Bills to help. I
Speaker 2: need our Bengals to well.
Speaker 1: Things are looking good for joke last week seven on
Speaker 1: seven's this week eleven on eleven's boy. Just like that,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you go, will we see him
Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving Night against Lamar Jackson? The no and the Ravens.
Speaker 1: Probably not. Don't get your hopes up. Likely going to
Speaker 1: be Joe Flacco as long as his thrown shoulders. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's been kind of iffy too.
Speaker 2: When you just shut him down. At this point, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do.
Speaker 2: I know he wants to play, but if the future
Speaker 2: windows still open, why would you risk.
Speaker 1: That it could get so much worse to for this guy?
Speaker 1: So maybe we'll see Jake Brown next week.
Speaker 2: Like the playoffs, the teams blocked the playoffs and they
Speaker 2: rest everybody in the last week or two, why not
Speaker 2: do that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, it's a big weekend. And then of
Speaker 1: course FC Cincinnati is finally back after two weeks off,
Speaker 1: hosting Miami five o'clock at TQL. They're telling everybody to
Speaker 1: wear blue. This is going to be big. It's a
Speaker 1: one or done. You move you win, you move on.
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it's one. That's I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: That's get this done against Lio Messi.
Speaker 2: Well, they got the monkey out the back with Columbus.
Speaker 2: That was big.
Speaker 1: Now they got their confidence going and they're like, look
Speaker 1: we can we can beat them. So let's keep going,
Speaker 1: let's keep rolling.
Speaker 2: Get Messy in there. Yeah, a little snow might help.
Speaker 1: Sunday could be a really great day for this city.
Speaker 1: Go to and two. Yeah, eat the Patriots and Miami.
Speaker 3: Would be good.
Speaker 2: That'd be good. They got their number before It's not
Speaker 2: like Cincinnati hasn't beaten them, so I believe that they
Speaker 2: can get this even with MESSI let's see what goes on.
Speaker 2: And they got a little confident, little swag going in
Speaker 2: this thing. It's going to be packed.
Speaker 1: This is pretty cool. Yeah, gonna be a nice weekend too.
Speaker 2: We need some one of our teams to win here. Yes,
Speaker 2: the Bearcats got b YU coming in. Yeah, big night
Speaker 2: on a front day night, do in heritage. I mean
Speaker 2: you got football night on Saturday night. Yeah, there's so
Speaker 2: much going on top the bottom. The best sports events
Speaker 2: in the city. Number one is the start at the bottom. Bengals.
Speaker 2: Bengals at the bottom.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: And what what's above them?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I put f C Cincinnati at the top.
Speaker 1: At the top, f C Cincinnati is they're rolling. They're
Speaker 1: the best situation right now.
Speaker 2: What about Older Saint X. That's a big event that
Speaker 2: made the biggest sports event of the weekend.
Speaker 1: Do you think so? Do you think they'll have a
Speaker 1: bigger attendance a.
Speaker 2: Lot of Well than no, But I think I think
Speaker 2: on Friday night, FIDA Night game is going to be
Speaker 2: the big event between.
Speaker 1: Them and FCC. They're going to bring the most positive
Speaker 1: vibes this weekend.
Speaker 2: UC is up there, but you know, coming off now
Speaker 2: loss again, so now they got a street going and
Speaker 2: that's not good.
Speaker 1: The Cincinnati Cyclones set a record yesterday for their kids game.
Speaker 1: I thought this was really cool. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you saw this, but yesterday at ten thirty in the morning,
Speaker 1: child Labors, so a bunch of kids from all over
Speaker 1: the tri state attended. Twelve thousand, six hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: seven was the attendance at the arena yesterday.
Speaker 2: Twelve eight sixty seven sixty Thank you.
Speaker 1: They said it's the second largest attended game on a
Speaker 1: weekday in Cyclones history. How cool is that all the
Speaker 1: kids got a lesson in hockey?
Speaker 2: You don't have to go to school.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine They're all like, I'll go, I'll go.
Speaker 2: All this focus with pund of the test and the
Speaker 2: test you got to show up and go discos. We're
Speaker 2: gonna watch a.
Speaker 1: Hockey game, right And there was no damage to the
Speaker 1: locker round.
Speaker 2: No one beat that up. That is going to be
Speaker 2: the story next week now that you've uncovered it here again.
Speaker 1: I'm so invested. As soon as you hear something let
Speaker 1: me know in case I'm like not on social media
Speaker 1: for a moment.
Speaker 4: Ye.
Speaker 2: When it comes to exposing the truth, Sarah LEAs is here.
Speaker 1: I stand with to try.
Speaker 2: Exposing yourself here on the show. The proof is in
Speaker 2: the social media fans handle this. Oh stop, Sarah back
Speaker 2: on the Kid Chris Show tomorrow. I think that was insulting.
Speaker 2: Why do you hear?
Speaker 3: Hear?
Speaker 2: And Chris Chris Morning need to break coming up next?
Speaker 2: Oh the girl needs it right now. All right, let's
Speaker 2: go big sports weekend ahead. Let's not screw it up,
Speaker 2: shall we. Scott Sloan show on this Wednesday morning. Uh,
Speaker 2: we've got Willy on the way in just a few
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