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Speaker 1: Heytato six fifty five KRCD Talk station. Hope everyone's telling

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Speaker 1: a happy Friday, please to Welcome to the fifty five

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Speaker 1: KRC Morning Show. Bill Potts as background motivational speaker, business leader,

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Speaker 1: community builder. He's held executive roles at Ironman Group and

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Speaker 1: Clearwater Marine Aquarium, co founder and managing director of marketing

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Speaker 1: agency Remedy, three sixty five lecturer at Tulane University. In

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Speaker 1: addition to being an Ironman triathlete, he is also a

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Speaker 1: five time cancer survivor and author of the book We're

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Speaker 1: talking about Today, Up for the Fight. How you to

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Speaker 1: advocate for yourself as you battle cancer from a five

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Speaker 1: time survivor. Bill Potts, Welcome to the fifty five KRC

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Speaker 1: Morning Show. It's a real pleasure to have you on

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Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 2: Oh Brian, it's a pleasure to be on your show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: And according to my producer, you and I have something

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Speaker 1: in common and that's lymphoma.

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Speaker 4: Yeah we do, we do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, mine, I had stage three lymphalma in two thousand

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Speaker 2: and eight and then came back in twenty fourteen, twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 2: and twenty and twenty, so we do have that in common.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, congrats on your success with that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just recently had a CT scan, actually

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Speaker 1: two back to back. There were several months apart. My

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Speaker 1: lymph nodes did start growing back. I had retuction treatment

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Speaker 1: and I was able to keep it at bay for

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Speaker 1: about three three and a half years. But the scan

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Speaker 1: revealed that the nodes were growing a little bit. But

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Speaker 1: I've been given the option of just sort of taking

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Speaker 1: a weight and see approach, and that's currently where I am.

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Speaker 1: So I engaged in some dietary changes. I removed all

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Speaker 1: the sugar from my diet. I've reduced a lot of

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Speaker 1: the carbs for my diet, lost some weight, So I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure that's going to keep it at bay. But

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Speaker 1: I know there's a correlation between sugar and cancer. Whether

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Speaker 1: it's lymphoma related, I don't know, but I was willing to

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Speaker 1: try that out and I feel a lot healthier for it.

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Speaker 1: So next scan taking place in June, and I'm hoping

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Speaker 1: that we don't see any more growth. But I know

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Speaker 1: there's treatment options out there for me. And you've obviously

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Speaker 1: been through that, which particular respective you said stage three.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had stage three non Hodgkin's lymphoma.

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Speaker 4: Uh so that's yeah.

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Speaker 2: I went through retuction as well, and there was recently

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Speaker 2: as four years ago, I went through a more harsh

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Speaker 2: treatment of chemotherapy treatment. So yeah, it's it's been interesting.

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Speaker 2: My wife jokes that it took me getting cancer five

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Speaker 2: times before I finally cleaned up my diet, but that

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Speaker 2: that does make a difference. So I am very very

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Speaker 2: strict on you know, fruits and vegetables. I limitedairy, red meat,

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Speaker 2: alcohols limited, and so I lean into as healthy a

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Speaker 2: diet as I can, like you do. And also I

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Speaker 2: lean into exercise because for me, I'm trying always to

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Speaker 2: be ready for when it comes back and also do

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Speaker 2: everything I can to lengthen the amount of time before

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Speaker 2: that happens.

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Speaker 1: Well, you got to be physically fit to do compete

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Speaker 1: in Iron Man. Come on, Bill, Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 2: That was trying to prove to my three kids that

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Speaker 2: no matter what happens to you in life, if you

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Speaker 2: get focused and put your mind to it, you can

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Speaker 2: accomplish anything. And so yeah, I taught them that lesson. Well,

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Speaker 2: and a couple of my kids followed in my footsteps

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Speaker 2: on the triathlon stuff, which is pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: Well, what motivated you to be so open and share

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Speaker 1: your cancer journey with and I, of course write the

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Speaker 1: book up for the fight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't my idea. I actually was going through

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Speaker 2: a chemoth er B treatment in September of twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: and before that treatment, I'd had surgery to remove a

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Speaker 2: tumor below my right hip, and when I woke up

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Speaker 2: from the surgery, Brian, I had an emotional breakdown and

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Speaker 2: told the nurse that I was done. I wasn't up

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Speaker 2: for the fight anymore, that I knew what was coming,

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Speaker 2: and I'd had a great life and a great career

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Speaker 2: and a great family, and I was throwing into towel.

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Speaker 2: So she called in the pastor at Mayo and we

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Speaker 2: for my meeting, for work, and also to fight to

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Speaker 2: make God proud. So I'd reset my mindset and was

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Speaker 2: really up for the fight. At the end of this conversation, Brian,

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Speaker 2: she leans into me and goes nos to nos and says,

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Speaker 2: I got one more thing for you, Bill, like what

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Speaker 2: she goes. I want you to turn your pain into

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Speaker 2: purpose and write a book to help others. So I

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Speaker 2: thought about it for a few seconds and said yes,

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Speaker 2: reached out to a publisher who the CEO called and said,

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Speaker 2: do we want to do this book? I'm like, why

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Speaker 2: she goes. I lost one of my best friends to

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Speaker 2: breast cancer recently, and this is the book I wish

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Speaker 2: somebody had written for her. So we want to write

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Speaker 2: a book like What to Expect when You're Expecting, but

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Speaker 2: for cancer patients, with some stuff thrown in for the

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Speaker 2: friends and family of cancer patients as well, because it

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Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned the loss of hope and thrown in

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Speaker 1: the towel. How does one you know after you get

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Speaker 1: a cancer diagnosis? And of course some cancers are far

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Speaker 1: this progressive disease. Obviously there's going to be a problem

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Speaker 1: finding some hope amid all that gloom and doom? How

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Speaker 1: does one advocate for oneself? And and you know, I've

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Speaker 1: always turned on I have great family support. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm I married out. I can't kicked my coverage with marriage,

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Speaker 1: and I get inspiration from my wife and for my

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Speaker 1: no big deal. It's like just part of my life.

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Speaker 1: But see, I've got I'm surrounded, and I also have

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Speaker 1: good doctors. So what does one do to advocate for

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Speaker 2: That's by the way, I tick my coverage too with

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Speaker 2: For me, it's about treating it. Advocating for myself is

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Speaker 2: that I have to own my own journey, meaning I

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Speaker 2: getting second opinions, to doing things like you're doing, managing

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Speaker 2: so a lot of folks look at the healthcare journey

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Speaker 5: It's you own it.

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Speaker 2: It's your life, and so you have to be really

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Speaker 1: Well, how a practical stuff that folks can take to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. Yeah, it's pretty tough.

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Speaker 2: So the way it works for me is, yeah, a

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Speaker 2: first time I went in, Brian, I was so ignorant.

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Speaker 2: Leukemia and Phoma Society. I guide people to whatever cancer

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Speaker 2: comfortable with sharing with your family. And you also, as

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Speaker 2: it and the friends go through it, not just the patient.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a certain degree of that. I can understand that.

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Speaker 5: Hey, good morning, it's good to be with you.

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Speaker 5: That's what we do in the book.

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Speaker 1: when you ask yourself, when you hear about you and

437
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Speaker 1: I talking about all this crisis and the problems and

438
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Speaker 1: the difficulties of being a farmer. There are so many

439
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Speaker 1: rewards to being a small farmer, and part of it

440
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Speaker 1: is that sense of community because the entire region where

441
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Speaker 1: my wife grew up, they're all farmers. They're all engaged

442
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Speaker 1: in the dairy business or you know, or or at

443
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Speaker 1: least some aspect of farming. And when the hard times hit,

444
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Speaker 1: when people you know, struggle with difficulties, they all step

445
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Speaker 1: up to the plate and help each other out. It's

446
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Speaker 1: a beautiful thing to behold.

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Speaker 5: That's absolutely right.

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Speaker 7: By the way, I'm glad that they put a microphone

449
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Speaker 7: in front of somebody who's got farming on both sides

450
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Speaker 7: your family.

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Speaker 5: That's outstanding.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you see, I do you following the footsteps.

453
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Speaker 1: I practiced law for sixteen years and I've been on

454
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Speaker 1: the radio now for this is my nineteenth year. I

455
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Speaker 1: think I was frightened away by the hardships that I

456
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Speaker 1: saw when I was exposed to it.

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Speaker 7: Brian, Well, I'll tell you we struggled with those same

458
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Speaker 7: things in our family. My sister's work and take over

459
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Speaker 7: the farm from my dad. I worked with my dad

460
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Speaker 7: the time like a walk. I love my roots, but

461
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Speaker 7: I didn't have their talent for cattle and crops. So

462
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Speaker 7: although I still worked with them on the business side

463
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Speaker 7: and they throw me a track from my dad, but

464
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Speaker 7: you know, I pursued my writing career. I'm just honored

465
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Speaker 7: to be able to tell the story. So you and

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Speaker 7: I have come to some of the same things, but

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Speaker 7: you know your point on neighbors banning together.

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Speaker 5: You're absolutely right.

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Speaker 7: That neighbor that I mentioned that helped my parents get

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Speaker 7: through the farm crisis in nineteen eighty is what happened.

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Speaker 7: Is he was an elderly man didn't need all the

472
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Speaker 7: crops in his field. My dad was a young man

473
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Speaker 7: starting out and had fields that were barely putting up

474
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Speaker 7: the crops. He needed to feed his animals. So they

475
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Speaker 7: went what they call halves, and you might know this

476
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Speaker 7: from your own family background. When you go half one

477
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Speaker 7: guy does the work and then they split the crop right. Well,

478
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Speaker 7: the old man the name was Leo, and he refused

479
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Speaker 7: to take his fair share. He gave my dad more

480
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Speaker 7: of the crop than he ought to have, and my

481
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Speaker 7: dad kept on going down there trying to pay him money.

482
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Speaker 7: And you walked into the guy's cigarette, you know, filled

483
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Speaker 7: living and trying to hand him money there after day timing.

484
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Speaker 7: The guy said, you just got married, you don't know

485
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Speaker 7: me nothing, to take it and go, And we get

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Speaker 7: emotional just thinking about what he's been gone for a

487
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Speaker 7: number of years now. But if he hadn't done that,

488
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Speaker 7: my parents would have taken out a load of debt

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Speaker 7: potentially just before the farm crisis hit. And it was

490
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Speaker 7: that working together and that sense of local community that

491
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Speaker 7: really got people through. And by the way, you know,

492
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Speaker 7: my dad was able to help this guy, but he

493
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Speaker 7: put in extra hours working around the clock to get

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Speaker 7: the crops off this guy's feel So it was people

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Speaker 7: helping people.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the other sense I always get is in

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Speaker 1: another story back in from my wife. Back in the seventies,

499
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Speaker 1: we went through stagflation and the economy went down the toilet,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure it happened in multiple different times over

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Speaker 1: the life of that particular farm and my father in law.

502
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Speaker 1: But because they were realistic and not materialistic, they pretty

503
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Speaker 1: much were self sufficient. They didn't you know, want more.

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Speaker 1: They didn't think that, oh my god, I wish I

505
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Speaker 1: had a better this, or that they had everything. They needed,

506
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Speaker 1: and so when hard times hit the general population and

507
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Speaker 1: people then had to do without something, they became used

508
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Speaker 1: to like, oh, we're going to have to cut back

509
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Speaker 1: on this, or we need to drop the country club membership.

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Speaker 1: Because of the you know, the economic thing, their life

511
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Speaker 1: remained static. They continued to live at the same level,

512
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Speaker 1: which was enough to feed them and satisfy them and

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Speaker 1: pay the bills, and they it was sort of if

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Speaker 1: they didn't have a newspaper, they didn't even realize the

515
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Speaker 1: rest of the world was going through this turmoil.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's absolutely right.

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Speaker 7: You know, it's one of the things that I encountered

518
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Speaker 7: so much when I was working on the book because

519
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Speaker 7: I knew these family stories, I knew bits and pieces

520
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Speaker 7: of them, and I wanted to reconstruct and be able

521
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Speaker 7: to tell the survival stories. But then I started researching

522
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Speaker 7: what was going on around us at that time. What

523
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Speaker 7: was happening to my great grandparents in the early nineteen

524
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Speaker 7: nine so what was happening to my grandparents and the depression?

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Speaker 7: What were the bigger forces at play? And it's so

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Speaker 7: true that you know, when you're on the ground and

527
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Speaker 7: the farm, you don't necessarily have a way to see

528
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Speaker 7: the bigger forces affecting you and then vice versa. Right

529
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Speaker 7: the rest of the country that's living out some of

530
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Speaker 7: those forces doesn't necessarily get a chance to see what's.

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Speaker 5: On the farm.

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Speaker 7: And that's really the challenge. That's the core reason that

533
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Speaker 7: our farms are disappearance because that disconnects. And here's the thing.

534
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Speaker 7: It impacts not only our rural communities like where I'm

535
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Speaker 7: from and like where your family has roots that are

536
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Speaker 7: getting hollowed out, but it impacts every single American dinner

537
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Speaker 7: table because when we're losing our farms, we're impacting the price,

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Speaker 7: the health, the security of the food supply for every

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Speaker 7: single American.

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Speaker 1: Brian Rising or the author of the book we're talking

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Speaker 1: about today, land Ridge Cash Poor, my Family's hope and

542
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Speaker 1: the untold history of the disappearing American farmer, Brian, if

543
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Speaker 1: you could fix something, and I mean, I guess for

544
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Speaker 1: an initial question of the answer, can the small farm,

545
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Speaker 1: can the the the American small farmer be saved? Can

546
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Speaker 1: they continue, assuming they desire to continue farming as opposed

547
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Speaker 1: to corporate sized farms, can they survive? And if there's

548
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Speaker 1: something if the answer may be leaning toward no because

549
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Speaker 1: of all the things that we sort of scratch the

550
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Speaker 1: surface of that you dive deep to deep two in

551
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Speaker 1: your book, what would you change that might lead to

552
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Speaker 1: a better life for them or a more successful, lasting

553
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Speaker 1: farm life.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, you know there is reason for hope. We've lost

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Speaker 7: seventy percent of our farms in the past century, which

556
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Speaker 7: is devastating, but we still got nearly two million left.

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Speaker 7: And here's the incredible thing. Ninety six percent of our

558
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Speaker 7: family farms and it's because people have farms that they're

559
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 7: working part time will also pull them two to three

560
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Speaker 7: jobs to keep things going. So these are families, nearly

561
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Speaker 7: two million families that are you know, continuing to fight

562
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Speaker 7: forward even though we haven't you know, made the economics

563
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Speaker 7: work in this country. Imagine if we made the economics

564
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Speaker 7: work again. And so we do need to change things,

565
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Speaker 7: and there's moves we can make that can inject new

566
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Speaker 7: entrepreneur opportunity out there for our farmers. We need to

567
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Speaker 7: research and development revolution so that all of our technology

568
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Speaker 7: is bringing farms of all sizes, medium and small as

569
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Speaker 7: well as large along. We need to change our policies

570
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Speaker 7: to make sure we've got fair markets for small businesses

571
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Speaker 7: in this country. And we need to make sure the

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Speaker 7: consumers who care about where their food comes from take

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Speaker 7: steps toward buying from local farmers. Buy from a farmer

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Speaker 7: down the road, you know that kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I imagine that that was an injection of positivity

576
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Speaker 1: the whole. Buy local, buy from your local farmers, the

577
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Speaker 1: you know, eat and consume local. What's available fresh from

578
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Speaker 1: the farm, you know, grass raised, be a grass fed

579
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Speaker 1: beef raised from your local farmer. It should be easier

580
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Speaker 1: for I suppose farmers to slaughter their own beef and

581
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Speaker 1: sell it locally. Maybe I knew Congressman Thomas Massey's on

582
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Speaker 1: my program a lot. I'm a huge fan of his.

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Speaker 1: He has his own farm, and you know he is

584
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Speaker 1: a big fan of you know, raw milk or some

585
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Speaker 1: health benefits of that. My wife grew up drinking it,

586
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Speaker 1: you know, straight from the Couch's as healthy as she

587
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Speaker 1: could possibly be. So, you know, but maybe this RFK

588
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Speaker 1: junior emphasis towards health might give that much needed infusion

589
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Speaker 1: for the local farmer.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, that's the whole. There's always opportunity in

591
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Speaker 7: peril and for the farmer, and you know, people caring

592
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Speaker 7: about where the food comes from en us shifting toward

593
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Speaker 7: farmers able to meet the markets and meet now, but

594
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Speaker 7: also meet new markets from people who care about local,

595
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Speaker 7: regional fresh food, who care about specialty foods. Being able

596
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Speaker 7: to shift our farm economy in that direction. That creates

597
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Speaker 7: the entrepreneur opportunity for our farmers. It also creates more

598
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Speaker 7: options for consumers. We've got to make sure that we

599
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Speaker 7: make those transitions. Understand that farms are small businesses. Then

600
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Speaker 7: I have a whole lot of money sitting around to

601
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Speaker 7: invest in new things, but they can make change over time.

602
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Speaker 7: And if we can get focused on that and every

603
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Speaker 7: consumer takes a step toward the farmer, I know the

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Speaker 7: farmers are ready to take more steps toward the consumer.

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Speaker 1: And knowing the farmers the way I do, I know

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Speaker 1: you are right on that. Brian Rising, your author of

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Speaker 1: land Ridge Cash Poor, My Family's Hope and the Untold

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Speaker 1: History of the Disappearing American Farmer, Hopefully we can reverse

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Speaker 1: that process. Brian, it's been a real pleasure talking with

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Speaker 1: you today. I appreciate you spending time with my listeners

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Speaker 1: of me and for writing the book which is now

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Speaker 1: available on my blog page at fifty five KRC dot

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Speaker 1: com so people can easily get a copy of it,

614
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Speaker 1: and I strongly encourage them to do that, because you

615
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Speaker 1: will have a much more profound appreciation for the hard

616
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Speaker 1: work that these men and women put in every single day. Brian,

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Speaker 1: you take great care of yourself. In a very happy Tuesday, Pea,

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Speaker 1: it's time for military badassery and a book to talk

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Speaker 1: about my next guys. William Dunn, President's Strategic Resilience Group LC,

620
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Speaker 1: started the company sixteen after retirement from a thirty three

621
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Speaker 1: year career in the United States Military, during which he

622
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Speaker 1: rose to the ranks of private through sergeant, second lieutenant

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Speaker 1: through colonel Tenant Old Dominion University, got a BA from

624
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Speaker 1: then Boston University, where he got a master's and a

625
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Speaker 1: in business as well as strategic studies. Wants to complete

626
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Speaker 1: the Military Basic School in the Infantry Officers Course in Quantico.

627
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Speaker 1: He reported to any As Pensacola for flight training. Getting

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Speaker 1: to the subject of the book, The sign is a

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Speaker 1: Marine Cobra pilot and complete of multiple deployments and a

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Speaker 1: seven month deployment to Iraq as commander of HMLA three

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Speaker 1: sixty nine. The gun fighters and support of Operation of

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Speaker 1: Rocky Freedom. Welcome to the program to talk about your

633
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Speaker 1: book Gunfighters Rule, and thank you for your service. Retired

634
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Speaker 1: Colonel William Bernard Dunn.

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Speaker 3: Well, hey, Bryan, thanks for having me and I really

636
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Speaker 3: appreciate that.

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Speaker 5: Update there. So that sounded great.

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Speaker 1: It's you man, it's you you lived in I appreciate it,

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Speaker 1: all right. I gotta ask it before we get to

640
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Speaker 1: talking about Gunfighters Rule and the story you've got there.

641
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Speaker 1: Where did you get Berner from? Is the as the nickname?

642
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Speaker 3: Well, let's let's let's just put it.

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Speaker 1: This here we go.

644
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Speaker 3: That's gonna that's gonna cost you a beer to get

645
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Speaker 3: that hole.

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Speaker 1: All right, I got a check. I got a stack

647
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Speaker 1: of challenge coins, colonel, so I'll I'll be sure and

648
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Speaker 1: have one in my pocket next time we sit down.

649
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Speaker 1: Catch you off guard maybe, all right, I appreciate that. Now,

650
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Speaker 1: Gunfighters Rule, obviously you lived a life, you were in combat.

651
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Speaker 1: You flew. What kind of helicopter did you to fly?

652
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Speaker 1: Was it a viper or a venom?

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Speaker 8: Or it was a whiskey cobra, whisky cobra, the venom

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Speaker 8: and the vipers. I got some time in the Huey's

655
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Speaker 8: and uh, the four bladed cobra came out right as

656
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 8: I was getting ready to retire. I got a bunch

657
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 8: of simulator time, but I never actually got to fly to.

658
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 5: The four Blady Cobra.

659
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: Okay, so you you obviously, or at least I presumably you

660
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: saw combat.

661
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, yeah, I saw combat uh many times, primarily

662
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 8: as a Ford air controller during O A F one

663
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 8: and then as a squadron commander of the Gunfighters in

664
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 8: O F six eight.

665
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 5: So I've got got quite a bit of.

666
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 8: Time on the ground over in Iraq for four combat

667
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 8: deployments to Iraq, and I did a combat deployment to Mogadishu,

668
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 8: but I didn't I didn't return fire. They shot at us.

669
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 8: We never saw whatever it's coming from.

670
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 5: So a little bit of combat all over.

671
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 8: But uh, you know, a lot of a lot of

672
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 8: my brothers and sister did a lot more than me.

673
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: So well, I understand you. Most folks that serve their

674
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: country honorably always tell the story of the other guys

675
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,479
Speaker 1: and how much more of the other people did. And

676
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: I'm certain that's a bit of being humble on your part.

677
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: So is this is the gunfighters rule? Is it your

678
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: story or is it a work of of Is it

679
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: fictional account? Because you know, as I read the notes.

680
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: It tells the story of a boy destined to become

681
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: the United States Marine, which sounds like it could be

682
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: either fact or fixed. Is this your story?

683
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 5: Oh, it's my story for sure, all right, Well, Sue.

684
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 8: Now, I started out a young, young lad with my

685
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 8: father and mother were Air Force veterans, and my dad

686
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 8: was in the Air Force. And when I was a

687
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 8: young kid, my dad started talking about how awesome these

688
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 8: marines were. Even though he was in the Air Force,

689
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 8: he loved it. And our neighbor was a marine. I

690
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 8: had a cousin was a marine, and uh, well, you know,

691
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 8: long story short. My dad passed away when I was

692
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 8: very young, and I talk about that in the book

693
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 8: with some strange things happened during that time. And then

694
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 8: when I turned seventeen, I joined the Marine Corps.

695
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: That's amazing to get my mom to sign off.

696
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 8: And there's a story about that in there too, because

697
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 8: at first she said, she said, no.

698
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 3: Marines are crazy. You're never going to the Marine Corps.

699
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: That's great. Now I have to ask you you you

700
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: mentioned you were shot at, and of course if you're

701
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: in combat in a helicopter, I've always wondered because to me,

702
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: that would be a pants soiling experience because you're in

703
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: this this obviously visible aircraft overhead. And since we live

704
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: in times with modern warfare and heat seeking rockets and

705
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: shoulder fire missiles and things like that, how do you

706
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: cope with that situation? And what do you do to

707
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: avoid getting hit?

708
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 5: Well, you just fly your tactics. And it's interesting.

709
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 8: And I'll say this for myself and most of the

710
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 8: Cobra plots I've talked to, no one's worried about themself

711
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 8: getting shot down. You're worried about your women getting shot

712
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 8: down or the guys on the ground. And that's the stress.

713
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 8: And I remember we used to we used to escort

714
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 8: trucks and you're driving, you know, you're flying covers overhead,

715
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 8: and you're escorting trucks and one time a truck hit

716
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 8: an ID and blew up.

717
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

718
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 8: The feeling of that is insurmountable because you're helpless. And

719
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 8: so one day, and we talk about this in the book,

720
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 8: a truck hits.

721
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 5: An I D.

722
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 8: And we find a guy that we call him the

723
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 8: trigger man, and we find him and I'm rolling in

724
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 8: to shoot him and I can see him plain this

725
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 8: day from a code bore about three hundred feet. He

726
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 8: surrounds himself with the women and children literally so we

727
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 8: don't shoot. That was a tough day, and we talk

728
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 8: a little bit. It's called uh, it's called Gunfighter Village

729
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 8: in the book. That is uh. You know, if I

730
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 8: talked the Marines that that were with me on that day,

731
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 8: we still get stressed out about it. But but we

732
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 8: got everybody out. Uh nobody, Well, I shouldn't say that.

733
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 8: Nobody on our side. There's two sides of this river.

734
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 8: Nobody on our side of the river got killed. But

735
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 8: on the other side of the our army brothers, they

736
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 8: took a beating and lost lost some soldiers pretty pretty terribly.

737
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: Oh it's a shame, and you got to live with

738
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: that the rest of your life. Now I hear, I'm

739
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: reading that you mentioned a family destroyed by tragedies as

740
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: well as disillusionment, disillusionment by the institution. Can you put

741
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: a little flesh on the bones of that without revealing

742
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: too much. It's in the book because I know my

743
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: listen is gonna just eat this up.

744
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 8: Well, so you know, think I'm eleven years old. My

745
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 8: dad dies right the following year, our house burns down.

746
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 8: Oh my god, not all the way down, but it

747
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 8: burns up so bad we had to move That was

748
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 8: coming off my mother, who early on in her life

749
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 8: had had a stroke, a very terrible stroke.

750
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 5: So she had a stroke, my dad died, house burns up, we.

751
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 8: Got to move out, and then my mother ultimately we

752
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 8: end up moving into a great house. We end up

753
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 8: losing that house because she she couldn't afford it. So

754
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 8: a bunch of tragedy there, and you know, some stuff

755
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 8: growing up that we learned.

756
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 5: And then you know, I love the Marine Corps. I

757
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 5: love the Marine Corps.

758
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 8: When you read the book, people want to seeing exactly

759
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 8: what I'm talking about. There are some things that happen

760
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 8: within our beautiful corps that are not great. And like

761
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 8: when I joined the Marine Corps when I was seventeen,

762
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 8: I was going to be a marine recon.

763
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 5: That's what I was promised.

764
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 8: And when I'm at boot camp and I talk about

765
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 8: this in the book, they call out done supply.

766
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 5: I said, well hold on, hold on, there's a mistake.

767
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 8: And my start instructor, he looks at me in the eyes,

768
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 8: was a great, great Savanni goes your recruiter lied to

769
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 8: you and and he did.

770
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 5: He did.

771
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 8: I came back, I went to see him. He goes,

772
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 8: I lied to you, you're a marine who cares. And

773
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 8: he was right. And so that's the weird thing. But

774
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 8: I love the Marine Corps.

775
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 5: You know.

776
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 8: It's like, I won't allow anyone that's not a marine

777
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 8: to talk bad about the Marine Corps. But the Marines

778
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 8: know what I'm talking about. We are we are a cult,

779
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 8: and we are a tribe. But not everybody in the

780
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 8: tribe is uh perfect, if you will, and I'm not perfect.

781
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 5: We all all of us.

782
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 8: I don't know a single marine that hasn't made a

783
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 8: mistake to where they could have been, you know, their

784
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 8: career could have ended. I don't know one, including some

785
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 8: of my friends that have risen to very high general

786
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 8: officer ranks. Every one of us have made a mistake

787
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 8: that we could have been fired relieved. You know, you

788
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 8: just never know. And I guess from what I've talked.

789
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: I've talked to many, many folks who've served or actually

790
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: currently served, and I have a lot of listeners in

791
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: my audience who are part of the broader military family,

792
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: if I can characterize it that way. And one of

793
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: the things that's come through regularly. Is that after being

794
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: discharged from the military, you go into civilian life and

795
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: one of the problems that retired military face they missed

796
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: the camaraderie. It sounds me like you thoroughly enjoyed the

797
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: camaraderie of the Marines. And how did you adjust to

798
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: post military life in the absence of, you know, your

799
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: your brothers, if I may put it that way.

800
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 8: Well, that's a great question. So I opened a company

801
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 8: with two other retire Marines and we support Davy, Marine Corps,

802
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 8: Army Air Force.

803
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 5: All over the world. That's how I cope with it.

804
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 8: But yeah, so I get to spend some time with Marines,

805
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 8: not every week, but definitely a couple of times a month.

806
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 8: And I will tell you this, here's the big difference

807
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 8: when you transition in for any veterans out there, you

808
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 8: probably will agree anyone getting ready to retire or get

809
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 8: out think about this is that you know, when you're

810
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 8: a sergeant in the Marine Corps or a colonel in

811
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 8: the Marine Corps and you tell us abordinate to do something,

812
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 8: they're gonna do it.

813
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 5: Period.

814
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 8: They may blow up a truck to get it done.

815
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 8: They may, you know, whatever it takes. They will get

816
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 8: it done. It's not necessarily always that way in the

817
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 8: Savellian world.

818
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, right, oh, if it were only that way,

819
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: if it.

820
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 8: Were only that way. You know, it's like, you know,

821
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 8: I'll ask somebody to do something right, which is a

822
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 8: big difference. Right in the Marine Corps. You don't ask.

823
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 3: You tell, hey, devil dog, I need you to go

824
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 3: take care of this, and they do it.

825
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 8: And one of the things I talk about that in

826
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 8: the book, And I asked the Marine lieutenant to go

827
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 8: blow something up one day and he's sure as he

828
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 8: did it. Not the way I was thinking he was

829
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 8: going to do it, but he did it. And I

830
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 8: it's funny because I talk about that. I did a

831
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 8: brief one day to a one hundred and sixty north

832
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 8: from Grumman executives on how military leadership applies in the

833
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 8: civilian world. And what's interesting about that is what you

834
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 8: know in the civilian world, you may hear this phrase

835
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 8: do whatever it takes, right, you do never never want

836
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 8: to tell a marine that. If you tell a marine

837
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 8: do whatever it takes, they will do whatever it takes.

838
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: So you got to define parameters, You.

839
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 8: Got to put some forevers on it, because you know,

840
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 8: and I look back when I was a young Marine

841
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 8: lance corporal that was carte blanche, do whatever it takes,

842
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 8: devil dog. I'd be like, yes, sir, I get a

843
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 8: big happy smile on my face, and I'd go blow

844
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 8: up the world to get something done. And I tell

845
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 8: you what, those my brothers and sisters that are still

846
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 8: in will do that. They chomp at the bit when

847
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 8: you say do whatever it takes.

848
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: That's great, well, and that's what creates the sort of

849
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: the out of the box thinking that military members of

850
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: the military are known for. That's why I think that's

851
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why they're fully appreciated and recognized

852
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: by many employers as great employees. They take charge, they

853
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: figure things out, and they do what they're told. You know,

854
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: maybe within some defined parameters out here in the civilian world,

855
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: but they're great at getting things.

856
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 5: Done well they are.

857
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 8: And the other thing that is beneficial is that I

858
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 8: was a Marine Cobra pilot. My first job, but my

859
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 8: squadron as a lieutenant was the legal officer. I have

860
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 8: no legal background, but my job was to advise my

861
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 8: commander on legal issues in our squadron. As a brand

862
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 8: new first lieutenant, coverpilot. One of my next jobs was

863
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 8: ordnance officer. I had to learn about all the not

864
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 8: I knew all the ordinance on the aircraft. I had

865
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 8: to learn and be with my marines and they showed

866
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 8: me how to load it and all the rules and regulations.

867
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 8: And then you know that's so whatever job you get,

868
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 8: it doesn't matter. The CEO says, hey, you are now

869
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 8: the logistics officer. That's what you go do. And so

870
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 8: it makes military men and women very, very diverse, and

871
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 8: they have to learn quickly how to be an expert.

872
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: Retired Marine Colonel William Bernard donn get a copy of

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Speaker 1: the book Gunfighter's Rule. Retired Colonel will you put this

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Speaker 1: your book on my blog page? But five cars dot

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Speaker 1: com and my listener is going to love to get

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Speaker 1: a copy of it. Thank you and God bless you

877
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: for your service to our country. My friend, it's been

878
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Speaker 1: wonderful having a conversation with you. Let's turn to our health.

879
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Speaker 1: I am pleased to welcome to the fifty five Cars

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Speaker 1: Morning Show doctor Catherine aka Katie Reed. She's the founder

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Speaker 1: of Unblind My Mind Inco, nonprofit dedicated to improving health

882
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: through informed food choices. It's got a background of biotech,

883
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: cancer pharmaceuticals and brings a wealth of scientific knowledge to

884
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: her work on chronic inflammatory disease. Joining the fifty five

885
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Speaker 1: CARSSY Morning Show to talk about a book she co

886
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Speaker 1: wrote along with Barbara Peice, PhD. It is Fat, Stressed

887
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: and Sick MSG. Process food in America's health Crisis. Doctor Reid,

888
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: is a real pleasure to have you on the program

889
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: this morning.

890
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 9: Oh thank you for having me.

891
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: And I don't know how you feel about I honestly

892
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: very excited about RFK Junior and hopefully his ability through

893
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 1: raising our awareness so kind of the things you're talking

894
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: about in your book, so we can make informed choices

895
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: about our diets, because I think a lot of people

896
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: are really uninformed processed foods and what are what's in them,

897
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: including as you illustrate and number one out of the

898
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: gate and the title of your book MSG. I remember

899
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: all the raide was getting Chinese restaurants to drop MSG

900
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Speaker 1: from there, from from from the foods, And we're going

901
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: back a couple of decades at least on that one,

902
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: and a lot of them advertised no MSG added good. Well,

903
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: apparently it's all over the place.

904
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 9: It is it's all over the place.

905
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 10: And yeah, you know, I'm excited about RFK Junior making

906
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 10: some changes about you know, being aware and having a

907
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 10: yeah back to real whole foods, not such the process

908
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 10: but the Yeah, it's the processed foods. The MSG is

909
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 10: hidden in the ingredient with and so even foods that

910
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 10: will say no MSG added, what it's implying it's not

911
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 10: pure MSG, not including MG that's created from the processing

912
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 10: of proteins.

913
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 9: Okay, it's a bit of a yeah.

914
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's not on the label as contains MSG.

915
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: But MSG is in the foods that we buy, the

916
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: process foods we buy because of how it's how the

917
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: food is made.

918
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 9: How it's processed.

919
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 10: And if you think about ingredient labels, they're not required

920
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 10: to put the manufacturing process on there and then the

921
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 10: end product resulting from that processing. So if you take

922
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 10: a protein and you process it with a bunch of

923
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 10: you know, pasteurization, acid, hydrolysis, fermentation, it'll degrade the protein

924
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 10: into its component parts, the amino acids, and glutamate.

925
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 9: Is an amino acid, and they know that.

926
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Speaker 10: I mean, that's how MSG used to be processed, is

927
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 10: using wheat, gluten and.

928
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 9: Doing an acid hydrolysis on the wheat gluten.

929
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 10: But now there's cheaper processes to making MSG, so they're

930
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 10: very well aware that processing these proteins makes MSG. It's

931
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 10: a very addicting compone, so we keep going for more.

932
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 10: It hijacks our taste receptors and our brain things. It's wonderful,

933
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 10: and so it's like rigged against us trying to find

934
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Speaker 10: a healthier, more quality of life.

935
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Speaker 1: Well, isn't that the point of MSG being an additive

936
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: or as a byproduct of processing to make the food

937
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: taste better, like salt makes food taste better.

938
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Speaker 9: Exactly?

939
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 10: It's it is the underlying mechanism of all addictions. But

940
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Speaker 10: so they're putting it in there too for you know,

941
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Speaker 10: increasing profits, increasing you know, consumption.

942
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, I think most people know that as a

943
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: just a giant a dietary recommendation. We all hear it,

944
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 1: stay away from processed foods. How do you define processed foods?

945
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 1: Is like if I go out to the Indian restaurant,

946
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Speaker 1: I get carry out, I don't think of that as

947
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: processed food. They're using spinach, they're using a specific kind

948
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: of cheese, or they're using whole chunks of meat, and

949
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: if I did that at home, it wouldn't be defined

950
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Speaker 1: as process. So how does that, you know, homemade prepar

951
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: type thing differ from a process food as we know it.

952
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Speaker 10: Yeah, and there's different categories on the degrees of processing.

953
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 10: So it's the ultra processed foods that they discussed in

954
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Speaker 10: the book you know, Fat, Stressed and Sick MSG processed

955
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 10: foods in America's Health Crisis, you know that.

956
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 9: Can be purchased on Amazon. That it really is the

957
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 9: ultra processed foods that.

958
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 10: Contains the largest amount of the MSG because of the

959
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 10: processing of the proteins.

960
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 9: So you just mentioned cheese.

961
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 10: And a lot of people won't consider that process, but

962
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 10: that is process you're taking. Yeah, you're taking milk, you're

963
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 10: fermenting it, you're you know having it. You know, cultures

964
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 10: that are added to it to degrade the proteins, and caseine,

965
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 10: the major protein in milk or dairy products, is then

966
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Speaker 10: degraded and so you get glutamate as a byproduct of

967
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Speaker 10: the fermentation of that milk. The more age the cheese,

968
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Speaker 10: the more the higher the MSG. And so you know,

969
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Speaker 10: even the breads the way they're making them, they're fortifying

970
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 10: it with gluten, they're fermenting it, they're adding you know,

971
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 10: a bunch of different ingredients that will degrade that protein.

972
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 10: So if you think about cheese and bread, well wow,

973
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 10: you know that's like a big staple in Americans. But

974
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Speaker 10: then like you know, the the Americans craze on protein,

975
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 10: you know, the protein powders collagen seems to be a

976
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 10: big fad lately, but they're using hydrolyzed collagen. They're using

977
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 10: an acid hydrolysis process on that collagen that will degrade

978
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 10: that protein and break it up into its subunits of

979
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 10: amino acids, Glutamate, you know, being a significant part of

980
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 10: that degradation. Whigh protein is a it's actually a cheese byproduct,

981
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 10: waste product from you know, making cheese, and so they

982
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 10: wanted to use whey because they didn't want to have

983
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 10: a bunch of waste from the cheese manufacturing. So now

984
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 10: it's all over our you know, different.

985
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 9: Protein enriched products.

986
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 10: But like wave protein isolate or soy protein isolate, these

987
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 10: are code words of it.

988
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 9: Went through an extreme amount of processing.

989
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 10: So what is not processed would be eating you know,

990
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 10: like you said, your vegetables, your whole grains, like you know, brown.

991
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 9: Rice or quene waw.

992
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 10: Starchy vegetables could be used as a carbohydrate source, like

993
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 10: potatoes or sweet potatoes, root of bega, having you know,

994
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 10: good whole quality uncured or unprocessed meat like pasture raised chicken,

995
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 10: grass fed beef, wild caught seafood, and then fruits, organic,

996
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 10: raw nuts, seeds. You know, again, the glycis shape or

997
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 10: the round up that they're putting in some of these

998
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 10: products also kind of contribute to inflammation and some of

999
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 10: that glutamate signaling even in the body. So those are

1000
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 10: some of the things that would be considered unprocessed.

1001
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 9: You know, you're literally just you know, so.

1002
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 10: When you talk about Indian food, you know they're obviously

1003
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 10: putting a lot of you know, cheese in there, or

1004
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 10: dairy or a lot of these cream things and sauces.

1005
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 10: And even though it's got spinach.

1006
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: You're going after my pillock panier.

1007
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:21,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1008
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, we don't do it all the time, but

1009
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: are we doing our souls? In the Thomas household, my

1010
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: wife makes sour dough bread every week and uses it

1011
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: from sour dough starter. There's no additives, there's none of

1012
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: the multi gazillion labels that you're you know, the components

1013
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: that are in a store bought loaf of bread which

1014
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: will lasts like three or four weeks, if not months,

1015
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: on your shelf. Is that a healthful thing to do?

1016
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: By contrast? Or are we sort of spin in our

1017
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: wheels thinking it's better for us?

1018
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 10: Well, I mean it is better for you than like

1019
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 10: the like you said, like the wonderbread that are like

1020
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 10: you able.

1021
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,919
Speaker 9: To be in your house for weeks and weeks without molding.

1022
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 1: Half life of patrol plutonium.

1023
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 10: Yeah, exactly, But you know it's using cultures, as you

1024
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 10: suggest that the sourrow fermentation is using lacto bacillis bacteria

1025
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 10: to ferment the wheat, and that's how they used to

1026
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 10: make msg is fermenting wheat.

1027
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,959
Speaker 1: Well, your bursts and all kinds of bubbles this morning, doctor.

1028
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 10: I know, I know, you know, but it is a

1029
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 10: happy Monday, like you said, and you know.

1030
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 9: It's it's awareness.

1031
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 10: And so even if people start moving the needle like okay,

1032
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 10: I'm going to have you know, less cheese in my

1033
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 10: diet or I'm going to have more newer, you know

1034
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 10: cheese as opposed to like older age cheese like mozzarella

1035
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 10: or cottage cheese, and you're kind of just making more

1036
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 10: mindful choices to improve the help, especially if you're afflicted

1037
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 10: with a chronic inflammatory condition, which most of us are, like,

1038
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 10: I mean, I think there's like seventy percent of the

1039
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 10: population that has at least one chronic inflammatory condition.

1040
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 9: Most have two. So we're dealing with a you know,

1041
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 9: a health crisis.

1042
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 10: And so this is all about getting the word out there,

1043
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 10: making more informed health choices.

1044
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: Well, and looping back to MSG that apparently is everywhere.

1045
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: Is that the problem with MSG is this inflammatory issues

1046
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: that most of us are dealing with.

1047
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 11: Yeah, and so you know, it is.

1048
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 10: Very highly inflammatory, but it's a neurotransmitter, so it's activating

1049
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 10: our nervous system, but it can trigger the inflammatory response

1050
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 10: where we're almost neurologically wired to the inflammatory you know condition,

1051
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 10: and so we make all the glutamate we need where

1052
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 10: we need it, when we need it for the neurological

1053
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 10: activation or a variety of other functions. It serves in

1054
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 10: the body metabolics you know, energy production, insulin release. I mean,

1055
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 10: it's signaling a variety of different functions. So when it's

1056
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 10: at high levels, it's signaling stress. It is the stress

1057
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 10: response in our body at high levels. So if you

1058
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 10: think about like anxiety for example, or people who are

1059
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 10: experiencing like panic attack, it is typically excessive glue.

1060
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:07,720
Speaker 9: Tomate signaling that is triggering. Yes, and so if you are.

1061
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 10: Constantly in that you know, fight, flight, fear, fawn response,

1062
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 10: it is an excess of glutamate signaling going.

1063
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 9: On in your nervous system.

1064
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: How about that?

1065
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 10: So yeah, and so it is. It's fascinating how this

1066
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:26,240
Speaker 10: is absolutely wired to our survival response. And some people

1067
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 10: are wired to thinking that cheetah is around the corner

1068
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 10: constantly even though there's no cheetah.

1069
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get so it is. Yeah, well okay, Now

1070
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: other than that, you know, anxiety feeling, you know so

1071
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: many people have it. I was just ready to ask

1072
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: you, you know, if if so many people are dealing with this,

1073
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: this inflammatory disease will call it, how do they know

1074
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: the signs and symptoms of it? Because you know, I

1075
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 1: think of inflammation. I think of inflammation. You know, it's

1076
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: like you know your your your fingers roll and or

1077
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: you got arthritis or something like that. But you know

1078
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: that the telltale signs of it, So anxiety being one

1079
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: of them, are there any others that someone might be

1080
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: suffering from this perhaps MSG connected problem.

1081
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,439
Speaker 10: Yeah, and that's where I kind of have a whole

1082
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 10: chapter in the book, you know, fat, stress, and sick

1083
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 10: MSG processed foods in America's health crisis, I have a

1084
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 10: whole chapter dedicated to all the various conditions or you

1085
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 10: know what we call these states that are associated with

1086
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Speaker 10: high levels of glutamate. So obesity we wouldn't think as

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Speaker 10: an inflammatory condition, but it is. It's an energy and

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00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 10: balance glue tomate signaling is absolutely at the basis of that.

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Speaker 10: There's an entire category of depression labeled glutamate based depression.

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Speaker 10: So there's depression, anxiety. My whole journey started with my

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Speaker 10: youngest being on the.

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Speaker 9: Spectrum with autism.

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00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 10: And for those parents or anybody who's afflicted with autism,

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Speaker 10: you can understand that many are it trapped in a

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Speaker 10: fight like fear fawn response, or they're very vulnerable to

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Speaker 10: a stress response.

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Speaker 9: It doesn't take much.

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Speaker 10: From their environment to be like, okay, they want to

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Speaker 10: shut down, right, And that she was very sensitive to glutamate.

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Speaker 10: Had no idea that this was really going to help

1101
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 10: you know her condition and have a much better quality

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Speaker 10: of life by really being aware where the glutamate is

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00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 10: in the food supply. So cancer and I go through

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Speaker 10: a lot of that with cancer. Is if you think

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00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 10: about cancer cells is a metabolic cellular abnormality. Glue tomate

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Speaker 10: signaling will cause a lot of that abnormality because it's

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Speaker 10: a stress response, and cancer can sometimes be what the

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00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 10: body thinks is a cure to that stress response.

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00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 9: Yeah, and so it's it is.

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Speaker 10: It's you know, we're getting like Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, you know,

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00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 10: even migraine headaches are typically attributed to the successive glutamate signaling. So,

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00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 10: like you said, the swelling could be, you know, one

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00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 10: of these signs of you know, but pain response is

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Speaker 10: a glutamate signaling response often. I mean, there's a lot

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00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 10: of other signals going on too, but glutamate.

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Speaker 9: Is often the base of some of these pain responses.

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Speaker 1: I understand.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, we're talking like the mother load here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I understand sugar is not good for you either,

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Speaker 1: So I just by cutting sugar out of my diet,

1121
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Speaker 1: I've been able to lose like seventeen pounds over the

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Speaker 1: past six months. I just stay the hell away from

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Speaker 1: all added sugar. So maybe by doing that, I'm also

1124
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Speaker 1: getting a lot of the MSG out of my diet

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Speaker 1: because everything's got added sugar, and it's a product with

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Speaker 1: added sugar. I'm not going to eat it exactly.

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00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 9: Now, It's true.

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Speaker 10: It's like so once you start getting rid of refined sugars,

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00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 10: you are eliminating a lot of process foods, and that

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00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 10: is where you know, you start to get rid of

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00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 10: a lot of the MSG sources.

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Speaker 1: Now I've learned a lot today, doctor read. This has

1133
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: been a fascinating conversation. Your book Fat, Stressed and Sick

1134
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: MSG Processed Food at America's Health Crisis is on my

1135
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: blog page fifty five cars dot com and the link

1136
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: so everybody can get it. And I appreciate what you're

1137
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: doing raising America's awareness to where the problems come from.

1138
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Speaker 1: And I hope you keep up the great We have

1139
00:54:55,880 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: a brilliant, demonstrably brilliant genius man who wrote the book

1140
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: we talked about last time. He's on the program Lies.

1141
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 1: My government told me doctor Robert Malone, we're going to

1142
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: talk about his new book today, cy War Enforcing the

1143
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: New War Order. Internationally recognized virologists and immunologists, Clinical research

1144
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: and regulatory affairs expert, US Federal contract proposal and project

1145
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: manager and the original inventor of the mr NA delivery

1146
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 1: vaccination as a technology, also DNA vaccination, multiple non viral

1147
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 1: DNA and r N a mr NA platform delivery technologies.

1148
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Speaker 1: And he has got a just wonderful background, but he

1149
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: stepped and he got in trouble for speaking truth to power.

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00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: Welcome back, doctor Malone. It's a distinct pleasure to have

1151
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: you on today.

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Speaker 12: Thanks for the honor to be here and to talk

1153
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 12: to your audience.

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00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: Well, in your last book, you know, the idea that

1155
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: you actually told the truth about what was going on

1156
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: with COVID and the the the vaccine got you into

1157
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: a bit of trouble. Remind my audience what happened in

1158
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: the aftermath of speaking out loud.

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00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 12: Well, I was deep platformed from LinkedIn and Twitter a

1160
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 12: day before I went on Joe Rogan. It was the

1161
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 12: Joe Rogan hit that really kind of broke everything open,

1162
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 12: and that set off a cascade of attacks. They were

1163
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 12: already in progress, really with The Atlantic Monthly, Business Insider,

1164
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 12: New York Times, Washington Boast, Rolling Stone goes on and on,

1165
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 12: you know, all coordinated and of course in Wikipedia that

1166
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 12: I'm still labeled as a spreader of misinformation. But thank

1167
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 12: you Joe Rogan and Woody Harrelson for the recent hit

1168
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 12: in which Joe said that surprisingly everything that Malone said

1169
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 12: in that infamous podcast turned out to be true.

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Speaker 1: Confirming all of the previously called conspiracy theories. They're all

1171
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: actually true. Masks social distancing, the effectiveness of the COVID vaccine,

1172
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: the idea that children shouldn't get an only people in

1173
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: the most critically unstable, you know, the situations, you know,

1174
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: comorbid conditions, The elderly were the ones that it should

1175
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: have been given to, and perhaps no one else. The

1176
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: firing of people for not getting the vaccine. Anybody who

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Speaker 1: uttered a syllable against that was deemed some kind of

1178
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: nutcase and conspiracy theorist. And as it turns out, they

1179
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,919
Speaker 1: were all right all along, including you, sir. And that's

1180
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: kind of the gist on one topic level of what

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00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: cy war excuse me enforcing the New World Order, addresses.

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Speaker 13: Is it not?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, so very much. Cy War was a product of

1184
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 12: what I'd experienced in many physicians and others around me.

1185
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 12: It wasn't just me. And as I was trying to

1186
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 12: make sense of what I was experiencing, which was unlike

1187
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 12: I've been through multiple outbreaks at the front edge of things,

1188
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 12: never seen anything like this in my life, and so

1189
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,439
Speaker 12: trying to make sense out of it. And then once

1190
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Speaker 12: I'd kind of process that, the book it was an

1191
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 12: intent intended to be a little bit of a wake

1192
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Speaker 12: up guide. You can almost say, a vaccination for people

1193
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 12: that were aware that things weren't right, but they weren't

1194
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 12: able to kind of make sense out of it all

1195
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 12: to help them see the underlying structure and hopefully to

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Speaker 12: help them to become a lot more resistant to this

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Speaker 12: kind of technology. Here's the key point, if you if

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Speaker 12: you'll let me continue to rate that I posted today

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Speaker 12: on x it's getting a lot of traction. I'm sincerely

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00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 12: convinced that pharma has learned to use psychological warfare methods

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00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 12: developed by our militaries for use against the likes of

1202
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Speaker 12: al Qaeda and the Tealiban. They've learned to use this

1203
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Speaker 12: as part of their marketing approach. They've used They've learned

1204
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 12: to use propaganda in this way with the whole suite

1205
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 12: of modern sy ups as a way to influence governments

1206
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 12: by ginning up fear in the general population to make

1207
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Speaker 12: purchasing decisions and other administrative decisions that favored the interests

1208
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Speaker 12: of pharma. I think that behind all of this we've

1209
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 12: got the hand of big Pharma that's learned to manipulate

1210
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 12: the public to generate fear of death as a way

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Speaker 12: to influence decisions from government leaders.

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Speaker 1: Well that says a mouthful right there. They're that capable

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Speaker 1: of doing it, that they could get people to do

1214
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: really stupid things. You know, it was sort of revealing

1215
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: you knew, and I think we all collectively knew that

1216
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: during COVID, when they were shoving these vaccines down our

1217
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: throats or at least forcing everyone to get one, that

1218
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: something was wrong with the edicts from various governors, including

1219
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: here in the state of Ohio. Governor wine. You could

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00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: drink at a bar, but not after ten pm. You

1221
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: could buy things in an aisle on a store, but

1222
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: not things on the other aisle, unnecessary items or whatever.

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Speaker 1: That just doesn't make sense, and it doesn't process from

1224
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Speaker 1: a logic and reason standpoint. You don't need to be

1225
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Speaker 1: a renowned physician like yourself to realize something is wrong here.

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Speaker 5: Amen.

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Speaker 12: And it's that kind of intuitive sense or some people

1228
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 12: might call it a spidey sense. That really triggered a

1229
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 12: lot of folks to start asking questions and digging into

1230
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Speaker 12: the details. And now, thanks to Doge, we have these

1231
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 12: amazing reveals about USAID and its manipulation of media all

1232
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 12: over the world, which was one of the conundrums for

1233
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 12: me as I traveled, particularly to Europe during the COVID crisis.

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01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 12: I saw the same words, the same strategies and tactics,

1235
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 12: the same language being used over there is over here,

1236
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Speaker 12: and it didn't make sense. How is all of this core?

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01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: And now we know, well, it seems to be the

1238
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: assertion that someone gets to be named as an export

1239
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: or like expert rather or like doctor Fauci. The expert

1240
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: as if you know, it's God speaking and there's no

1241
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: way you can resist or save anything in opposition to it.

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Speaker 12: This is a core tenet of scientism. Which is another

1243
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 12: one of the kind of topic carries in the book

1244
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 12: is this development of a new religion in the face

1245
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 12: of the separation of church and state. The federal government

1246
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 12: has veered towards substituting this new thing in place of

1247
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 12: you know, core tenants that used to come from the

1248
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 12: Judeo Christian ethic, and this new thing that's been substituted

1249
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 12: is it's not science. It's a pseudo religion that you know,

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01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 12: Scientism is the word, and it has anointed high priests.

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Speaker 12: And Tony Fauci is one. In the vaccine world, Paul

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01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 12: Offitt is another one. And there are many of these

1253
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 12: that are basically vested and then appointed to these various

1254
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 12: federal commissions, like the Advisory Committee on Ammunisation Practices at

1255
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 12: the CDC and the FDA advisory committees. And that's one

1256
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 12: of the things that the new HHS under Bobby Kennedy

1257
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 12: is looking at, is really getting rid of these individuals

1258
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 12: that are so industry biased in these advisory committees, so

1259
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 12: we can get back to more objectivity in terms of

1260
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 12: analyzing what the data are and helping the government make decisions.

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Speaker 12: Another thing I've been arguing is that the government is

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Speaker 12: allocating public health resources in a biased fashion. The money

1263
01:02:55,760 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 12: that we spend should reflect the degree of actual demonstrable

1264
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 12: need in the populace. Where is the real disease. If

1265
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 12: we were going to allocate money based on public health urgency,

1266
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 12: we would be spending billions on fentanyl and we're not.

1267
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 12: We're spending it on chasing H five N one because

1268
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 12: it's infecting cows right now, and even the CDC says

1269
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 12: it's not a major public health threat. H five N

1270
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 12: one has been out there for a long time. But

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Speaker 12: this is another thing that has had up fear of

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01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 12: death because in nineteen eighteen, the story goes, we lost

1273
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 12: a huge number of people to swine flu, but that

1274
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 12: turns out to be a false narrative. The thing that

1275
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 12: really killed people was the subsequent pneumonia, bacterial pneumonia, and

1276
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 12: now we have antibiotics, so people don't die of bacterial

1277
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 12: pneumonia unless they've got major other problems, so they forgot

1278
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 12: to get medical care. The other thing that killed people

1279
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 12: during nineteen eighteen was the overuse of a hot new

1280
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 12: drug that had just been discovered. Overdosing of aspirin to

1281
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 12: control fever killed a lot of people. But that's all

1282
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 12: been transformed into this narrative that flu is an enormous

1283
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 12: boogeyman and we all have to be afraid of it,

1284
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 12: and therefore we have to spend stupid amounts of money

1285
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 12: on that as opposed to you know, it's a limbit

1286
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 12: in theory it's a limited federal budget, and we ought

1287
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 12: to be spending money based on what the true public

1288
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 12: health need is. You get my point.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely get your point. And I was thinking about

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01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: this in the context of something you write about in

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Speaker 1: the book We're speaking of today, cy war enforcing the

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Speaker 1: new world or order by my guest today, doctor Malone,

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01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: deep state censorship. Now, there are, as you noted, during

1294
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Speaker 1: the period of time you were speaking out loud in

1295
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: opposition to the deep state narrative, this propaganda campaign about COVID,

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01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: there were many peer review studies out there which well

1297
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: flew in the face of what the narrative was, and

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Speaker 1: yet they were suppressed and they were suggested to be,

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Speaker 1: you know, erroneous or wrong. There are so many parallels

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Speaker 1: you can draw between that and what we're going through

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Speaker 1: with this carbon dioxide is bad thing, with this solutely

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Speaker 1: plant food man.

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Speaker 12: The green energy narrative is another cywar narrative that's been

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Speaker 12: promoted globally very effectively to advance financial interests of selected

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Speaker 12: third parties. And here's the irony. Who is it that's

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Speaker 12: benefiting most from selling windmills and electric cars?

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Speaker 5: The Chinese? The Chinese?

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Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy. I say this all the time. I

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Speaker 1: do not believe that plant food is bad. I do

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Speaker 1: not believe in carbon capture. I think it's a foolish

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Speaker 1: exercise in pursuit to think that a windmill can substitute

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Speaker 1: for something we're not allowed to have, apparently, the nuclear

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Speaker 1: power plant.

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Speaker 5: Amen.

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Speaker 12: And the only you know, you know who's going to

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Speaker 12: break this is the tech bros. Because they want to

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Speaker 12: have these great, big AI facilities, and you can't run

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Speaker 12: an AI facility on green energy. And that's what's driving

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Speaker 12: the development of these little kind of local nuclear reactor

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Speaker 12: technology plants so that you're data center. I mean, they're

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Speaker 12: building these things out here in Virginia and they are massive,

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Speaker 12: and they suck up power the new here's the fun fact,

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Speaker 12: the envisioned stargate, remember Larry Ellison on day two of

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Speaker 12: Trump's presidency and that little fiasco press conference, That data

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Speaker 12: center will have power demands equivalent to all the natural

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Speaker 12: gas consumption on an annual basis in the.

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Speaker 1: State of Texas, Louise. You need nuclear plants for that,

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Speaker 1: and people don't get it. These modern modular nuclear plants,

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Speaker 1: you know, really are efficient. They have a small footprint.

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Speaker 1: We don't have these problems and issues that a three

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Speaker 1: mile island design how many decades old? Is that by

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Speaker 1: now we do advanced technologically, we do solve problems, we

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Speaker 1: do create better efficiency. So what's the fear? And really,

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Speaker 1: largely doctor, why is this happening? Why do we still

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Speaker 1: fear nuclear power? I mean, that's part of this propaganda campaign.

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Speaker 1: What's the point behind narratives?

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Speaker 12: Exactly promoted narratives? And you know, you got to I

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Speaker 12: think you really have to ask the question, you know,

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01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 12: follow the money and who benefits from these policies. And

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Speaker 12: this plays out on a geopolitical stage in terms of

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Speaker 12: the interests of nation states and frankly empires as they

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Speaker 12: battle with each other, and the use of psychological warfare methods,

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Speaker 12: which is, you know, the modern embodiment of propaganda is

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Speaker 12: highly developed in all these competing nations. You know, we

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Speaker 12: hear about Russian bot farms. I'll come on, there's British

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Speaker 12: bought farms, There's Chinese bought farmers. You know, American bot

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Speaker 12: farms are huge, and I'm sure there are Ukrainian bought

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Speaker 12: farms and Romanian bought farms and Polish bot farms. I

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Speaker 12: mean every nation state is doing this now, it's it's

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Speaker 12: the way you play the game.

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Speaker 1: Doctor, real quick here, before we passed, before we had

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Speaker 1: the part company. I wish we could talk for hours literally,

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Speaker 1: what can we do to see through the fog of

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Speaker 1: the lies that are being fed us?

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Speaker 12: Thanks for that question, I get it all the time.

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Speaker 12: Part of that's part of the logic of the book

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Speaker 12: is helping people to understand the tech and how it's

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Speaker 12: deployed and who's deploying it really helps to kind of

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Speaker 12: immunize you against that kind of propaganda. But the other

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Speaker 12: one is in a practical way, you've got to seek

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Speaker 12: out multiple sources of information and don't just select the ones.

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Speaker 1: That agree with you. Amen.

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Speaker 12: It's it's hard to do, and sometimes you don't want

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Speaker 12: to read what is coming down in Atlantic Monthly or

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Speaker 12: Huffington Post, let alone real Clare politics. But you need

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Speaker 12: to read that other stuff to understand, if nothing else,

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Speaker 12: the strategies and tactics and what the agendas are of

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Speaker 12: those that are in opposition to your own political framework.

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Speaker 12: And this we seek out media from India, from uh,

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Speaker 12: South Korea, Europe. Of course, you know you need you

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Speaker 12: need to look at not just at mainstream media. But

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Speaker 12: you need to look at alternative media coming from offshore

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Speaker 12: to the extents you can, because a lot of times

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Speaker 12: your browser won't let you get there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you what, doctor Malone. You just echoed

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Speaker 1: my theory on the Morning show. I am being trained

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Speaker 1: as an attorney. That's what we always had to do.

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Speaker 1: You had a look at alternative cases, alternative opinions. It's

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Speaker 1: how you formulate and find the truth, Doctor Robert Malone.

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Speaker 1: God bless you, sir, cywar enforcing the new World order,

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Speaker 1: exposed in the history and tactics of modern psychological warfare

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Speaker 1: on the American people, and a way forward for you

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Speaker 1: to resist this totalitarian control. My listeners will be buying

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Speaker 1: the hell out of this book, doctor. It's on my

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Speaker 1: blog page fifty five KRC dot com of the link

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Speaker 1: to where they can buy it. I'll encourage them to

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Speaker 1: do so and share the information and book with their

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Speaker 1: friends that spread this information. Keep up the great work, doctor,

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Speaker 1: I really do appreciate what you're doing. Hey Bob here

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Speaker 1: at fifty five car CD talk station. By the time

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Speaker 1: I was wishing everyone at very very happy Friday and

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Speaker 1: please as I can be, and I'm sure my listening

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Speaker 1: audience is happy that I have him on right now.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Joe Jaker for lining up Doctor Colonel Josh McConkie.

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Speaker 1: He is an award winning bestselling author and HISS Deemed

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Speaker 1: emergency physician with more than two decades a clinical experience.

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Speaker 1: Sir also as a professor at Duke University and maintains

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Speaker 1: Board certification and emergency Medicine. With twenty two years of

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Speaker 1: military service, Doctor McConkie now commands the four hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty ninth Aero Medical Staging Squadron in the US Air

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Speaker 1: Force Reserves. He also has a military service which includes

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Speaker 1: providing critical medical support in both wartime and peace time operations,

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Speaker 1: more than three hundred and forty hours as a flight

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Speaker 1: surgeon and ninety combat hours in rotor wing medical evaluation

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Speaker 1: and air assault missions in the Middle East. He's an

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Speaker 1: Air Medal and Army Commendation Medal recipient for exemplary service

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Speaker 1: during Operation Iraqi Freedom. I mentioned he's a best selling

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Speaker 1: author or here to have doctor Conkie, Doctor Colonel McConkie

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Speaker 1: talk about his best selling book, Be The Weight Behind

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Speaker 1: the Spear, Doctor Colonel McConkie, it's a pleasure to have

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Speaker 1: you on the fifty five Carosee Morning Show and thank

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Speaker 1: you for your service to our country.

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Speaker 14: Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to be with

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Speaker 14: you this morning.

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Speaker 1: Now, you actually perform surgeries in helicopters, so you can.

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Speaker 14: Yes, a lot of it is just trauma, trauma and

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Speaker 14: life support, but yes, it's it's not ideal.

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Speaker 1: But if you have to yes, oh my word, and

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Speaker 1: so you were in the thick of it, if you

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Speaker 1: were flying wounded individuals in combat, that's a that's I

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Speaker 1: would obviously say, that's a very dangerous proposition.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, that was before my before marriage and children, So

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Speaker 14: I would probably, uh, it would have to be a

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Speaker 14: World War three level scenario for me to put myself

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Speaker 14: in a situation like that for a Now.

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Speaker 1: You can get a young person to do anything, doctor anyway,

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Speaker 1: be the weight behind the sphere. I obviously from the notes,

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Speaker 1: I think anybody can observe we are not exactly a

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Speaker 1: very unified country or quietly divided country. And I absolutely

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Speaker 1: think I've noted on the air and observed many times

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Speaker 1: over I think that there are some you know, evil

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Speaker 1: forces out in the world that intentionally stir the pot

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Speaker 1: of division in this country. Obviously, we being the most

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Speaker 1: successful country that has ever been, Thank God for that.

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Speaker 1: We're the source of envy and green And of course

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Speaker 1: we've got enemies in the world, and it does them

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Speaker 1: a lot of benefit to divide America. I used to

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Speaker 1: look at the American flag and view it as a

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Speaker 1: symbol of unification. It stood for freedom under which anybody

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Speaker 1: can stand and enjoy their own life pursuits. But at

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Speaker 1: every turn we seem to be yelling each other about

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Speaker 1: every minuscule problem in the world. I guess is that

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Speaker 1: concept as at least I observe it One of the

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Speaker 1: reasons you wrote this book.

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Speaker 14: That as a major part to play. You know, it's

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Speaker 14: the most divided politically and generationally in this country that

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Speaker 14: I've seen in my lifetime. You know, I'm forty seven

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Speaker 14: years old, and you know, I'm hoping that we can

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Speaker 14: find something in common to focus on. And if people

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Speaker 14: would just focus on developing our future leaders and engaging

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Speaker 14: their communities, America would be a much better place and

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Speaker 14: try to bring us back together.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 1: And you would think, because future leaders are going to

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Speaker 1: be running the show, we want the best and brightest,

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Speaker 1: that we would all work collectively for the benefit of everyone,

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Speaker 1: regardless of stripes standing beneath that flag, to advance these

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Speaker 1: people and help them out along the way. But in

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Speaker 1: this society, part of the reasons we have so much divisions,

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Speaker 1: these so called current leaders actually foster and encourage the

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Speaker 1: division that we're talking about.

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Speaker 14: It really is detrimental to our future. The best resource

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Speaker 14: that we have in this country is our people. It's coaches,

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Speaker 14: it's teachers, it's volunteers and mentors. That needs to be

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Speaker 14: the focus instead of the political division. And you know,

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Speaker 14: right now you feel like you have half the country

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Speaker 14: that's just missing the plot completely.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you do well, I wrote as I was, you know,

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Speaker 1: think preparing for this interview, I wrote down the three

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Speaker 1: profound you know, the type of folks that were most

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Speaker 1: profound in having an impact on my life. My parents,

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Speaker 1: first and foremost, they gave me the gift of education,

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Speaker 1: and they really encouraged and insisted that I get a

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Speaker 1: good education. So I and they helped me to get

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Speaker 1: through college and law school and I went on to

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Speaker 1: practice law for sixteen years. They able to build a

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Speaker 1: family and take care of them thanks to the education.

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Speaker 1: But also education included certain of my educators, my teachers

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Speaker 1: in K through twelve and of course college. Some of

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Speaker 1: them stood out and were truly inspirational. Thank you, Chuck Barkoltz,

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Speaker 1: you're out there listening. He was a brilliant man and

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Speaker 1: one of the most influential teachers of my life. And

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Speaker 1: then my mentors, the people that I work for, the

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Speaker 1: partners at the law firm, who taught and trained me

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Speaker 1: and gave me all the tools of the trade I

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Speaker 1: needed to be successful. That's the kind of thing we're

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Speaker 1: talking about. But moving aside from my personal experience, everyone

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Speaker 1: I think is an expert at something and can pass

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Speaker 1: that along to the next generation of people. If we're

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Speaker 1: all thinking about, you know, building these future leaders.

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Speaker 14: Everybody has a unique skill. Everybody has something different to give,

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Speaker 14: and what they do every single day matters. They need

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Speaker 14: to realize that and they need to get out in

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Speaker 14: their community. It can be something different for everyone by

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Speaker 14: coaching Little league or soccer, or volunteering in your church

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Speaker 14: or your school. And some people sti't like working with people,

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Speaker 14: That's fine. Get out out there in your community. There's

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Speaker 14: plenty of organizations, animal shelters that become emotional support animals

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Speaker 14: for somebody. There's this is a team sport America, and

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Speaker 14: life is a team sport.

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Speaker 1: So in writing this book, how do you how do

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01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 1: you frame it in the sense that to get like

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Speaker 1: people to answer your call to action along these lines,

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01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 1: because again with all the division unity people, I think

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Speaker 1: people just some like outa hell with it. I just

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Speaker 1: give it up.

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Speaker 14: You know, unless you recognize the problem, you can't fix it.

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Speaker 14: So our bad policy decisions over the past four or

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Speaker 14: five years are now coming to roost. As an emergency physician,

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Speaker 14: I see this generation. They're coming in with a huge

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Speaker 14: mental health crisis. I see anxiety, depression, and very sadly suicides,

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01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 14: and it rips your heart out every single time. These

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01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 14: kids are so young. The mental health health crisis is

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01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 14: very real. And then as a military commander, I see

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01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 14: the same general. They lack the simple resiliency skills. They

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01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:07,680
Speaker 14: fold at the very smallest of obstacles. And I was

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01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 14: so concerned that I sat down and I wrote this book.

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01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 14: I need Americans to get engaged and this is the

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01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 14: call to action.

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Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like you speak Pete Hegseth's Language Defense

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01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 1: Secretary Pete Tegzeth, Because I worry as much I do

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01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 1: anything I can, by the way, sir, to help and

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01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 1: support the American veterans because I have so much respect

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01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 1: for them. But I saw the recruit numbers declining dramatically,

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01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 1: and now, of course you have physical fitness problems in

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01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 1: this country with hopefully RFK Junior may help to deal

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01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 1: with but we'll keep our fingers crossed. But also the

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01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 1: American military becoming this woke entity. There was nothing but

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01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 1: an extension of the k K through twelve and college education, identity, politics,

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01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 1: vehicle and in doctrination camp. What does that have to

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01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 1: do with killing people and breaking things? Which is always

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01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 1: my boiled down look on what the military should be.

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01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 14: You know, it is a terrible and horrific job. I

1534
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 14: have been on the front lines. I have flown metavac,

1535
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 14: I did one aerossault, scariest thing I've ever done. And

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01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 14: that's our job. Nobody wants to do that job, but

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01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:14,680
Speaker 14: when you're called upon, you have to be able to

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01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 14: execute that job and deliver that lethality with no questions asked.

1539
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:22,760
Speaker 14: So if what your government, if what they're asking you

1540
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 14: to do, does not help you do that, then you're

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01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 14: wasting our time. You're literally deteriorating our capabilities, and I

1542
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 14: am so thankful that we have this current leadership in

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01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 14: office that is getting us pointed back in the right direction,

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01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 14: because the last four years have been very, very hard.

1545
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 14: As a military commander, it's been very difficult. I follow commands.

1546
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 14: We have civilian led you know, leadership for our military,

1547
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 14: and you know, I'm proud to follow, you know, our

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01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 14: civilian elected leaders. I just disagreed with a lot of

1549
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 14: the policy decisions, and I'm very thankful that we have

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01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 14: p tag Seff at the Helm.

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01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:56,679
Speaker 5: Now.

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01:18:56,920 --> 01:19:00,000
Speaker 1: So you saw this firsthand because you're still in an

1553
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 1: active role, I guess can you explain my listening audience,

1554
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 1: did it really Was it really pervasive? These DEI woke policies,

1555
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 1: if I can call them woke policies and get away

1556
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 1: with it, I mean, was it that pervasive?

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01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:18,440
Speaker 14: It was very pervasive. It almost became a singular focus,

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01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 14: and they were dividing people. They were dividing like my airmen.

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01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,560
Speaker 14: So when you would sit down, you know, with the

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01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:29,480
Speaker 14: quotas and the DEI, and they were literally different awards

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01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 14: that you would submit members for some of you know,

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01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 14: at a wing or air force wide level, and meetings alone,

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01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 14: they were separating here's the African American contingent, and here's

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01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 14: the Asian contingent, and here's the LGBTQ. It defeated the

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01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:48,520
Speaker 14: entire purpose of building unity in the military. It was separating.

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01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 14: And when you try to build your morale and you're

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01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 14: a spree to corps and then you look at people

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01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 14: that were willing to join the military, those numbers were deteriorating.

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01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 14: That's a direct reflection of those bad policies you saw

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01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:06,759
Speaker 14: immediately in December, with one election in less than thirty days,

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01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 14: those December recruiting numbers ramped up exponentially because the men

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01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 14: and women that you asked to serve this country and

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01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 14: lay their lives on the line, they just want to

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01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 14: be able to do their job and execute. The DEI

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01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 14: initiatives were degrading that capability.

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01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 1: So you're answering your question. I was going to ask you,

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01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 1: there are still patriotic young Americans out there that still

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01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 1: believe in the message of freedom and liberty that our

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01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 1: country stands for, that probably would have signed up for

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01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 1: military service maybe in earlier times, but under this woke

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01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 1: governance and this woke ideological concept that was going on,

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01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 1: they wouldn't do that, but they're still out there.

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01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 14: They are still there. I am proud to serve with

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01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 14: many of them. I have one hundred men and women

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01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 14: under my command, best war fighting medics in the United

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01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 14: States Air Force, and I'm glad we are back on

1587
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 14: the right track because the world needs a strong maria

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01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 14: and military. The American people demand one, and we are

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01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:04,799
Speaker 14: now heading back in that direction.

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Speaker 1: One subset of this, and I know you're outspoken on

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01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:11,680
Speaker 1: this whole renaming of Fort Bragg Fort Liberty. Can you

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01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 1: address that and tell me what an impact that had,

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01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:15,839
Speaker 1: just specifically.

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01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,680
Speaker 14: So that right there, it is always going to be

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01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 14: Fort Bragg. It has always been Fort Bragg. Everyone in

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01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 14: the world knows of that name. That there's in pop culture,

1597
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 14: movie references, Rambo. Everybody knows what Brag stands for, and

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01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 14: it's the men and women that have served. It had

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01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:37,639
Speaker 14: nothing to do with a World War II general over

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01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 14: one hundred and fifty years ago. That has to do

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01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 14: with the men and women and the mission that is

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01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 14: going on at Fort Bragg, you know, the heart of

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01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:50,639
Speaker 14: airborne operations, of special operations, the JFK Special Warfare Center.

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Speaker 14: I was not happy with that name changed to Fort Liberty,

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01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 14: nobody in Fayetteville. I live in North Carolina. Nobody called

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01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,760
Speaker 14: it Fort Liberty. It was always Fort Bragg, and we're

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01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 14: very happy that it's back to being Fort Bragg officially,

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01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 14: and in doing so, they've actually needed it after a

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01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:09,679
Speaker 14: World War Two veteran from the greatest generation, Roland Brag

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01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:11,839
Speaker 14: So it's a win on both fronts.

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01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 1: The name of the book, The Weight behind the Spear,

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01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:19,120
Speaker 1: written by my guest today, impressive. He is doctor Colonel Mconkey.

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01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 1: Who did you write this book for? Is it literally

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01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 1: for anyone, anybody in any capacity to pass along their

1615
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 1: own knowledge and experience from life or career to young people.

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01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 1: I suppose the audience for this book is far and wide.

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01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 14: It's far and wide anybody that deals with this younger generation, teachers, coaches, parents,

1618
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 14: business leaders, business leaders don't realize that this is still

1619
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 14: their problem. These kids are coming to you looking for jobs,

1620
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 14: and if they lack these skills, your business will not

1621
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 14: be successful.

1622
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 1: So really, everybody, it's been a real pleasure having on

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01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:57,640
Speaker 1: the Morning show again on behalf of all of my

1624
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 1: listening audience, my family me thank you for your service

1625
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 1: to our country and for writing this inspiring book. Be

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01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 1: the weight behind the sphere. What we've done for everyone's benefit.

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01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 1: As my producer has put your book on my blog

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01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:12,640
Speaker 1: page of fifty five care se dot com with a

1629
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 1: link to get a copy, and it will strongly encourage

1630
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:16,640
Speaker 1: them to do that and then share the book with

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01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 1: a friend who you think might help out as well. Doctor,

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01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 1: it has been a Colonel, I don't know what you prefer,

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01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 1: but doctor, Colonel Josh McCaughey, it's been a real distinct

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01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 1: pleasure to having in the program. And thanks again for

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01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 1: spending time with my listeners in me this morning. Brian Thomas,

1636
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 1: please to welcome my next guest, Mark Beckman. Tech out

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01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 1: his resume. I can't read it all. We wouldn't have

1638
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 1: any time to talk about his new books Some Future Day,

1639
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 1: how Ai is going to change Everything. He is the

1640
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 1: CEO of an award winning advertising agency, DMA United, and

1641
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 1: he has well worked on campaigns for literally every major

1642
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 1: company in the country embraces and emerging technology and effort

1643
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 1: to augment campaigns, including We're going to be talking about

1644
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 1: it artificial intelligence, and he's used that a variety of

1645
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:02,679
Speaker 1: wastes for his advertising campaign is show Some Future Day

1646
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,519
Speaker 1: examines technology culture, in the law, all kinds of really

1647
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 1: notable guests. He's also of the best selling Comprehensive Guide

1648
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 1: NFTs Digital Artwork Blockchain Technology, a highly a claim book

1649
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 1: that is Welcome to the show, Mark Beckman, Let's talk

1650
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 1: about your book some future day, how AI is going

1651
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:23,600
Speaker 1: to change everything. It's good to have you on the

1652
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 1: Morning show.

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01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:25,759
Speaker 5: Good morning.

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01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 15: Thank you so much for having me, and thank you

1655
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:31,720
Speaker 15: for that very very nice introduction.

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01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 1: I appreciate it well. And you know, based on your resume,

1657
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 1: it was quite abbreviated. I tried to get the key

1658
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:39,679
Speaker 1: elements in, but it is impressive what you've been able

1659
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 1: to do. Let's talk about AI. You know, I'm old

1660
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 1: enough to remember when it was a big thing that

1661
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:46,599
Speaker 1: IBM invented Big Blue, which actually beat a human being

1662
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 1: in the game of chess. That's peanuts compared to what

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01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 1: this stuff can do today. And I think, and I

1664
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 1: know your book presents I think in an optimistic way,

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01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 1: how this is going to benefit, you know, the masses,

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01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 1: But I think most people are afraid of like I'm

1667
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 1: going to be out of a job, kind of afraid.

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01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 15: Well, you know, it's for sure. People are concerned, as

1669
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 15: they are with every technology and what my book does,

1670
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 15: and I think your audience would appreciate it. I'm sure

1671
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 15: there are tons of people in your audience who are

1672
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 15: smart and curious and beginners. And for those beginners who

1673
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 15: are interested in learning how they can enhance their career,

1674
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:31,680
Speaker 15: make more money, improve their family life, improve their communities.

1675
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 15: My book brings those beginners into the world of artificial intelligence.

1676
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 15: And after every chapter, I actually provide the reader with

1677
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:44,599
Speaker 15: tools that they can use today to start implementing. Whether

1678
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:46,760
Speaker 15: that means they want to learn how to create new

1679
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 15: art work or write a song, or how to you know,

1680
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:55,799
Speaker 15: create more efficiencies at work with emails and writing even business.

1681
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 15: You know, so many of us struggle. We have a

1682
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 15: new business idea, but we don't want to write the

1683
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 15: business plan. I mean now, literally, with these new tools,

1684
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 15: we can write a business plan in a matter of minutes.

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01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:09,680
Speaker 15: It's incredible. So I lay that all out in my

1686
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 15: new book some future day, how AI is going to

1687
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 15: change everything? And you know, obviously it's on Amazon, Barnes,

1688
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 15: and Noble, target all the big booksellers. But it's pretty straightforward,

1689
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 15: and that's why I'm very optimistic about it. I think

1690
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:29,640
Speaker 15: that this will have very very positive implications to everybody.

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01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 1: Hey, and your book also is available on my blog

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01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:34,719
Speaker 1: page at fifty five cares dot com. Always put the book,

1693
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 1: author's books and a link to buy them on my

1694
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:39,799
Speaker 1: blog page. So that's one more mechanism so my listeners

1695
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:42,720
Speaker 1: can always remember that. Now, I guess my concern on this.

1696
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:45,080
Speaker 1: And you know, I practiced law for a long time,

1697
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 1: sixteen years. I've been on the radio for nineteen, but

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01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 1: prior to that, sixteen years of practicing law, and I

1699
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:52,280
Speaker 1: know they're using AI to create legal briefs. Part of

1700
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 1: the thing about you know, a lawyer was it required

1701
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 1: critical thinking analysis. You had to do the work yourself,

1702
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 1: which help you improve the case, manage the the the

1703
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:05,240
Speaker 1: direction of the arguments and articulating them. It helped the

1704
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:07,799
Speaker 1: juices in the brain flow and I think that benefit

1705
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 1: of the client. And when you talk about like having

1706
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 1: it write a business plan, if you're got a great

1707
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:16,919
Speaker 1: idea for a business, isn't part of developing the business itself,

1708
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 1: sitting down and contemplating as you write a business plan

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01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 1: to help you, you know, steer the direction of the

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01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:25,640
Speaker 1: business model. I mean it forces you to think, I

1711
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 1: just worry about AI. Maybe dumbing us down. It doesn't

1712
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:32,600
Speaker 1: require It takes away the logic and the and the

1713
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:35,760
Speaker 1: creative component that your brain works on, and I think

1714
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 1: that part benefits you and helps you develop as a person.

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01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:44,600
Speaker 15: So it's a it's a great question, particularly from me

1716
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:46,720
Speaker 15: because my background is law as well.

1717
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, and yeah.

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01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 15: So I'll tell you something cool on one of my episodes.

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01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 15: I'd love to send it to you somehow. But on

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01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 15: one of my episodes on my show Some Future Day

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Speaker 15: on YouTube, I intro I introduced to my audience the

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Speaker 15: first political figure who uses artificial intelligence to draft a bill.

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Speaker 15: And you can imagine. His name is Clyde Vanelle. He's

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Speaker 15: here in New York City and you can imagine Assemblyman

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Speaker 15: Clyde got into a lot of trouble. His constituency went

1726
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Speaker 15: ballistic on him. But what he admitted was that he

1727
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 15: had to go and apply that personal touch that you're

1728
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 15: talking about. Your concern his creativity. At the end of

1729
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 15: the day, and I write about this in my book too.

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Speaker 15: If you look at machine versus man, man still wins

1731
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 15: that creative element. You're right, we could be creative with

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Speaker 15: artificial intelligence, but it's not going to get that emotional connection.

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Speaker 15: You can't break through the way Bob Dylan does, you

1734
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:49,600
Speaker 15: can't break through the way Pablo Picasso does. So for

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01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 15: sure humans will beat the machines every single time. And

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Speaker 15: I get into like some fun stories. The book isn't

1737
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 15: just technical with regards to use this tool if you

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Speaker 15: want to create a paint, and use this tool if

1739
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 15: you want to create a photograph. But I get into

1740
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 15: like these types of stories and issues too, And I

1741
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Speaker 15: get and I go deep into the idea of like

1742
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:11,679
Speaker 15: the human spirit, our ability as creators to touch emotion

1743
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:15,479
Speaker 15: is far superior than algebra. And at the end of

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Speaker 15: the day, AI is literally algebra. It's predicting. So I'm

1745
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Speaker 15: with you on that humans are going to beat machines

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01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:23,120
Speaker 15: all day long.

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Speaker 1: Well, and you know, in terms of drafting a bill,

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Speaker 1: I you know and understand how legislative drafting is done.

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Speaker 1: You take the Code of Federal Regulations for example, you

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01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:33,799
Speaker 1: see a bill out of Congress, you have to refer

1751
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Speaker 1: back to the original Code of Fedal Regulations to see

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01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:39,919
Speaker 1: what the original REGs stated. They never incorporate that language

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01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 1: into a new builder work and on. They just change

1754
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Speaker 1: things within it. So artificial intelligence can go a long

1755
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 1: way because it can easily digest thousands and thousands of

1756
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:51,679
Speaker 1: pages of rags and make sure what you're writing now

1757
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:54,400
Speaker 1: you know, it goes, you know, falls in line with

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Speaker 1: what's already on the book. So that is a great advance.

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Speaker 1: It takes out the human error component of that and

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Speaker 1: a lot of a man hours or hours of work.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I guess I wonder in terms of

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Speaker 1: other things like, well, maybe human error we have to

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01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:16,720
Speaker 1: worry about that, and it takes out that element of

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Speaker 1: human error. But these artificial intelligence platforms are programmed by humans.

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Speaker 1: So you got that whole garbage in, garbage out kind

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Speaker 1: of concern, and we've seen some of that pop up

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Speaker 1: with artificial intelligence being rolled out, Like how come there's

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Speaker 1: so much bias in one direction with everything this system

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Speaker 1: turns out, like chat GPT for example.

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Speaker 15: That's a great question. So my book gets into this issue.

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Speaker 15: It's a real issue, the idea of racism, sexism, and bias.

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Speaker 15: And what you're talking about is the way that these lllms,

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Speaker 15: these large language models are trained and when they're trained effectively,

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Speaker 15: what's happening is for your audience. The tech companies like

1775
01:30:56,439 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 15: open ai and Microsoft that are building the llms, they're

1776
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 15: taking a corpus of information and data from humanity and

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Speaker 15: feeding them into the computer to give the effectively the

1778
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 15: intelligence the artificial intelligence life. But let's face it, a

1779
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Speaker 15: lot of that information is not just faulty in the

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Speaker 15: way that you spoke about garbage in garbage out, but

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01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 15: it's also missing huge blocks of data. So think in

1782
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Speaker 15: terms of like the mid century, nineteen fifties, when certain

1783
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 15: parts of our population weren't included, weren't even able to

1784
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:36,920
Speaker 15: draft certain research papers and research studies. So if you

1785
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:39,519
Speaker 15: look at, for example, the Nobel Prize winners going through

1786
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:43,200
Speaker 15: the forties and the fifties, they're typically just representative of

1787
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 15: one gender, of one skin color, and we're missing out

1788
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 15: a ton of points of view. There are no women

1789
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 15: winners in the Noble Award arena in the nineteen fifties

1790
01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 15: because they weren't allowed to participate. So the other issue

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01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:01,439
Speaker 15: that's never going to be fixable, it will always be

1792
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 15: biased to your point, is the fact that those points

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01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 15: of view are not included from that time period when

1794
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:12,519
Speaker 15: these lms were trained. So it really is an issue,

1795
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:15,360
Speaker 15: but it is getting better. So there's the issue of

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01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 15: let's say, explicit bias, which I think is what you

1797
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 15: were focused on. But then there's this implicit bias which

1798
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:23,719
Speaker 15: is going to stay forever.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking with Mark Beckman offered the book some future day,

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Speaker 1: how AI is going to change everything? And any book

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Speaker 1: you suggest that artificial intelligence might have the ability to

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01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:36,000
Speaker 1: strengthen family bonds and improve the quality of our home

1803
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:40,720
Speaker 1: lives along how might that work out? And still, what

1804
01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:41,559
Speaker 1: are you referring to?

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01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:44,639
Speaker 15: Okay, I love that you bring it up, And I'm

1806
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:47,000
Speaker 15: going to give you an example of something that came

1807
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:48,719
Speaker 15: my way. As you can imagine, because of the book,

1808
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:51,280
Speaker 15: all I'm doing is meeting people who are coming at

1809
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:53,720
Speaker 15: me and talking about artificial intelligence.

1810
01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:54,439
Speaker 1: All day every day.

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Speaker 15: And this is a crazy story, but it's true, and

1812
01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:00,800
Speaker 15: you know, maybe it's good. So there's a couple, a

1813
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Speaker 15: young couple probably in their thirties living in Texas that

1814
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:05,640
Speaker 15: came to me and they were like, we want to

1815
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:08,880
Speaker 15: tell you the story. We've been fighting like crazy, and

1816
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:13,680
Speaker 15: I guess the husband has a lack of desire to

1817
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:16,920
Speaker 15: be cooperative with his wife and go to a marriage

1818
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 15: counselor so they negotiated and the deal is, believe it

1819
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:23,679
Speaker 15: or not, It's nuts. Is that chat GPT is the

1820
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:27,280
Speaker 15: marriage counselor and every time they have an argument, they

1821
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Speaker 15: enter their arguments into chatch Ept to find a resolution.

1822
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:36,760
Speaker 15: And as weird as the sounds, it's true and it's

1823
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Speaker 15: been helping their marriage. So this is like one of

1824
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:42,680
Speaker 15: the most bizarre, Like I definitely didn't write about this

1825
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 15: in the book, Like this wasn't something I expected. But

1826
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Speaker 15: people are becoming creative and now they're using chatch Ept

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Speaker 15: to have a better married life.

1828
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:55,160
Speaker 1: That's unusual, you know, taking the place of a therapist,

1829
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 1: and I can hear people in the therapy community going,

1830
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 1: oh my god, AI is going to put me out

1831
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:00,880
Speaker 1: of business. But that takes out that human element.

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01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:01,040
Speaker 13: You know.

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01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:02,559
Speaker 1: If I meet you in person, we sit down and

1834
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 1: we talk, I can gauge the type of person you are.

1835
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:07,519
Speaker 1: I can see how you react to different situations. I

1836
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 1: can understand your emotions and how you know maybe maybe

1837
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:13,360
Speaker 1: you're you fly off the handle quickly or you react

1838
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:15,800
Speaker 1: differently different based on different subject matters. And I don't

1839
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:19,919
Speaker 1: understand how artificial intelligence can can can grasp that human element.

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01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:22,120
Speaker 1: You type of question in my wife and I are

1841
01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 1: fighting about this, that doesn't really fully appreciate the whole

1842
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:26,439
Speaker 1: situation that's going on.

1843
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Speaker 7: I want to take you a little further down this path.

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Speaker 15: Sure, so I think in terms of a well, first

1845
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:37,120
Speaker 15: of all, I want to tell you there will inevitably

1846
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:40,479
Speaker 15: be a whole You keep referring to job loss, and

1847
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 15: there will definitely be a huge elimination of jobs, white

1848
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 15: collar jobs, professionals, lawyers, and the like. And there have

1849
01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:52,800
Speaker 15: already been great advances, and I talk about this in

1850
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 15: the book. I break out different business sectors in the

1851
01:34:55,000 --> 01:35:00,840
Speaker 15: book finance, medicine, the creative industries fashion, art, music, Hollywood,

1852
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 15: and there have been tremendous advances in the medical industry.

1853
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:12,759
Speaker 15: For example. Think in terms of discovering diagnosing illnesses. Google

1854
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:16,120
Speaker 15: created a vertical called Amy. It's a type of artificial

1855
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:19,880
Speaker 15: intelligence that they've trained and almost with one hundred percent accuracy.

1856
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:25,000
Speaker 15: Now they could discover and diagnose rare diseases and old

1857
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:28,240
Speaker 15: diseases that have even been eliminated from society. So they're

1858
01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 15: doing great with that. But think about this. Imagine if

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Speaker 15: you have a child who is ten years old and

1860
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:37,599
Speaker 15: she's starting to struggle with some issues, and you use

1861
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Speaker 15: artificial intelligence to diagnose what your child's mental illness might

1862
01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:44,880
Speaker 15: be and then from there you can go.

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Speaker 5: To a doctor and start working with a doctor.

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Speaker 15: Well, the child will also have at you know, I

1865
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 15: think eventually really soon, actually, like it's on us now,

1866
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:57,559
Speaker 15: an AI agent which could work with them in so

1867
01:35:57,640 --> 01:36:00,599
Speaker 15: many different ways. And that AI agent that could serve

1868
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Speaker 15: almost as like a technological like robotic type of therapists,

1869
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 15: will also remember all of your child's issues. The child

1870
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:14,320
Speaker 15: might feel freer speaking to something that is just a robot,

1871
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:18,560
Speaker 15: let's say, versus an human, and that that artificial intelligence

1872
01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:21,640
Speaker 15: will remember all of your child's fears and frailties and

1873
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:25,640
Speaker 15: issues and problems that take that along with her for

1874
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Speaker 15: her entire life. They're going to see the same thing

1875
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Speaker 15: change as it relates to education tutors, where you know, forever,

1876
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Speaker 15: the artificial intelligence will build and work with your child

1877
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Speaker 15: in different ways from an academic perspective, they'll build on

1878
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Speaker 15: it through years and years and years of fostering a

1879
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Speaker 15: relationship and training itself in a specialized way specific to

1880
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Speaker 15: your child's needs. So again these are like foreign concepts,

1881
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Speaker 15: but there could be benefits. And again my perspective is

1882
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Speaker 15: AI is simply a tool. It's only math, and it

1883
01:36:56,200 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 15: should be not it should not be replacing the professionals

1884
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Speaker 15: and the humans. But if the if the professionals could

1885
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:06,200
Speaker 15: use them as a tool, it could provide our society

1886
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Speaker 15: with tremendous benefits.

1887
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Speaker 1: Lots to take in here, get a copy of it

1888
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Speaker 1: some future day. How AI is going to change everything.

1889
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Speaker 1: It's been a pleasure talking with you. Mark Beckman. Really

1890
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Speaker 1: appreciate the time he spit with my listeners to me,

1891
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Speaker 1: and I am sure they're going to grab up a

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Speaker 1: copy of that book fifty five cares dot Com to

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Speaker 1: do so. Thanks for your time. Have a wonderful day,

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Speaker 1: my friend just shive eight o five. You're a fifty

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Speaker 1: five KRSD talk station. Happy Thursday. My next guest her

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Speaker 1: name Mary Greybar. She's a Resident Fellow of the Alexander

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Speaker 1: Hamilton Institute for the Study of Western Civilization and the

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Speaker 1: founder of I Love This Even the organization the Dissident

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Speaker 1: Profit Education Project, taught to college level for twenty years,

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Speaker 1: most recently at Emory University. Or work has been published

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Speaker 1: by the federalist town Hall, Front Page Magazine, City Journal,

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Speaker 1: American Greatness, and Academic Questions. And she's written a book.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about today debunking fd R, the Man and

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Speaker 1: the Myths. Welcome to the fifty five Cars Morning Show. Mary,

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Speaker 1: it's a pleasure to have you on this morning.

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Speaker 11: Well, thank you, it's great to be here.

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Speaker 1: When I think of FDR, I first think of my grandfather,

1908
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Speaker 1: who was a lifelong Democrat, because FDR gave him a

1909
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Speaker 1: job when he was a teenager in the Civilian Conservation

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Speaker 1: Corps and that was enough to win over his long

1911
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Speaker 1: lifelong support for the Democrat Party, even though he was

1912
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Speaker 1: voting for the indefensible quite often. We used to get

1913
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Speaker 1: in political arguments when I was younger. But God rest

1914
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Speaker 1: his soul. But he also was the father of term limits.

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Speaker 1: We're bringing about the twenty second amendment.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, well I've heard of others, you know, who had

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Speaker 11: warm failings for FDR. Because of the Civilian Conservation Corps.

1918
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Speaker 11: People were very desperate, and so that was part of

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Speaker 11: his strategy, was to give things to people who were

1920
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Speaker 11: suffering under the depression. I mean, it wasn't from his

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Speaker 11: personal fortune, it was from tech payers. And then to

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01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:07,080
Speaker 11: seem like, you know, the magnificent leader. Yes, and so

1923
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Speaker 11: you know, you have those emotional resonances and they still

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Speaker 11: exist and it's passed on, you know. I mean, some

1925
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:19,280
Speaker 11: people can understand while this was part of a strategy,

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Speaker 11: but others think, you know, well we need to continue

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Speaker 11: with that kind of program.

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Speaker 1: Well, people easily refer to him in such awe was

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Speaker 1: this great or all? He was a great guy. He

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Speaker 1: got us we won World War Two. He got us

1931
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Speaker 1: out of the Great Depression, and perhaps maybe we got

1932
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Speaker 1: out of the Great Depression because of World War Two.

1933
01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:37,960
Speaker 1: I've always kind of looked at it that way. It

1934
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:40,040
Speaker 1: put a lot of people to work in the defense industry,

1935
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:42,120
Speaker 1: and it put a lot of people overseas fighting wars,

1936
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:46,320
Speaker 1: and that in large parts help us. Helped us turn

1937
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:47,640
Speaker 1: around the country, didn't it.

1938
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:52,200
Speaker 11: Well, yeah, and it's a little deceptive because you know,

1939
01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:56,439
Speaker 11: you had, you know, millions of working age men who

1940
01:39:56,439 --> 01:40:02,559
Speaker 11: were fighting overseas, so those unemployment figures were deceptive. It

1941
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:07,640
Speaker 11: wasn't really until after the war that the economy rebounded, so,

1942
01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:11,080
Speaker 11: you know, and a lot of people at the time,

1943
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:14,200
Speaker 11: you know, leading up to the war, we're thinking, you know,

1944
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:17,800
Speaker 11: he's such a failure. I mean, the economy is still

1945
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:22,599
Speaker 11: so bad, you know, twenty percent unemployment, and hey, maybe

1946
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:25,840
Speaker 11: he's thinking of war to get us out of this mess.

1947
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Europe, of course, that's what there's go ahead.

1948
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Speaker 11: I'm sorry, Oh yeah, I mean that's what a lot

1949
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:34,439
Speaker 11: of the critics were saying, you know at the time.

1950
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Speaker 1: Yes, and you know, the United States remained completely unscathed.

1951
01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:41,160
Speaker 1: So the rest of the industrial complex around the world,

1952
01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:44,000
Speaker 1: you pretty much bombed out mess of all of Europe

1953
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:47,320
Speaker 1: and in England. So we seem to be the recipients

1954
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:50,240
Speaker 1: of a lot of business potential and opportunity because the

1955
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:53,840
Speaker 1: rest of the world still needed goods.

1956
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:56,479
Speaker 11: Yes, And it was the same thing, you know, after

1957
01:40:56,560 --> 01:41:02,040
Speaker 11: World War One, so you had the industrialists, the manufacturers,

1958
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:08,600
Speaker 11: you know, rebuilding Europe. Yeah. And the thing was, you know,

1959
01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:12,519
Speaker 11: the war could have been ended a couple of years sooner,

1960
01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:17,960
Speaker 11: according to many historians. But uh, you know, Franklin Roosevelt,

1961
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:20,800
Speaker 11: this is one of the things I point out as

1962
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:24,479
Speaker 11: I go through his early history and his early political career.

1963
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,800
Speaker 11: He just had this hatred of Germans. And I'm not

1964
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:31,439
Speaker 11: talking just about Nazis, I'm talking about your you know,

1965
01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:37,120
Speaker 11: your ethnic German and he would not consider uh, you know,

1966
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:41,599
Speaker 11: having an agreement and uh, you know, ceasing fighting even

1967
01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:45,720
Speaker 11: though there were uh you know, Germans resisting Hitler at

1968
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:50,519
Speaker 11: the time, he insisted on unconditional surrender. He wanted to

1969
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:56,439
Speaker 11: make Germany completely pastoral, wipe out all industry, uh, divided

1970
01:41:56,600 --> 01:42:02,400
Speaker 11: up into different segments, and make her completely powerless.

1971
01:42:02,720 --> 01:42:06,520
Speaker 1: My understanding he had he was in thrall of Stalin.

1972
01:42:06,680 --> 01:42:11,720
Speaker 1: And I mostly remember uh FDR along the lines of

1973
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:15,280
Speaker 1: the guy that sold out Eastern Europe at Yalta. So

1974
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:19,680
Speaker 1: did I mean, did he not cave in or capitulate

1975
01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:22,280
Speaker 1: the Stalin at Yalta in giving up the European of

1976
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:25,439
Speaker 1: the Eastern European countries and turning them into communist nations.

1977
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:27,160
Speaker 4: Oh?

1978
01:42:27,200 --> 01:42:31,760
Speaker 11: Absolutely, And that happened even before a Tehran. And you know,

1979
01:42:32,240 --> 01:42:37,840
Speaker 11: he was infatuated with Stalin. Anything Stalin wanted, uh, you know,

1980
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:44,400
Speaker 11: uh FDR was like this defrauded lover, you know, appealing

1981
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:49,000
Speaker 11: to him. I mean, he had so many opportunities, you know, uh,

1982
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:52,680
Speaker 11: you know, with lens lease and supplying uh you know,

1983
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:58,640
Speaker 11: military equipment and food and everything else, uh to you know,

1984
01:42:58,720 --> 01:43:01,320
Speaker 11: rein him in. But he ever did. I mean, he

1985
01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:07,360
Speaker 11: was an absolutely awful negotiator, and he carved up Poland

1986
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:11,000
Speaker 11: and told him you know, but I can't announce this

1987
01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:14,720
Speaker 11: until after the election in nineteen forty, because you know,

1988
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:18,800
Speaker 11: American polls were voters, and he wanted them to vote

1989
01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:21,920
Speaker 11: for him, and they were you know, pretty solidly Democrats.

1990
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:24,879
Speaker 1: Well, did he also have a hatred for Japan because

1991
01:43:24,920 --> 01:43:29,360
Speaker 1: he is famous for rounding up Japanese American citizens. Most

1992
01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:31,240
Speaker 1: only one of my dad's friends, who was a very

1993
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:33,880
Speaker 1: young child at the time, ended up in an internment camp.

1994
01:43:33,880 --> 01:43:36,559
Speaker 1: They lost their house and we're we're in a camp.

1995
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:38,640
Speaker 1: I mean that that to me is like, I mean,

1996
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:40,599
Speaker 1: one of the bigger human rights abuses that have ever

1997
01:43:40,640 --> 01:43:41,959
Speaker 1: been conducted by a president.

1998
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:46,360
Speaker 11: Well, and he also did that to Germans, you know,

1999
01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:51,040
Speaker 11: Germans who lived here in the United States. You know,

2000
01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:55,200
Speaker 11: there was no due process. You know, if someone heard

2001
01:43:55,640 --> 01:43:59,960
Speaker 11: a neighborhood someone speaking German or getting German public aid,

2002
01:44:00,360 --> 01:44:02,760
Speaker 11: they were put under suspicion. I mean, there was no

2003
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:08,480
Speaker 11: due process. And they were also interns. But yes, Roosevelt

2004
01:44:08,640 --> 01:44:11,519
Speaker 11: did hate the Japanese. He had a soft spot for

2005
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:15,519
Speaker 11: the Chinese because and he'd never been to China, although

2006
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:18,759
Speaker 11: he you know, claimed to be an expert on China.

2007
01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:23,479
Speaker 11: But it was because his grandfather made his fortune by

2008
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:28,559
Speaker 11: pushing opium in China and he thought that Japanese. Yeah, yeah,

2009
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:30,599
Speaker 11: I go into that quite a bit, and he always

2010
01:44:30,640 --> 01:44:33,600
Speaker 11: denied it in his story. A lot of historians have

2011
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:37,920
Speaker 11: downplayed it or outright denied it. But yeah, he was

2012
01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:39,040
Speaker 11: an opium pusher.

2013
01:44:39,360 --> 01:44:43,240
Speaker 1: How about this is the first time I've ever heard that.

2014
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:45,400
Speaker 1: We always hear the stories about the Kennedy family making

2015
01:44:45,400 --> 01:44:49,599
Speaker 1: money off prohibition, but I was not aware of that history.

2016
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:50,839
Speaker 1: That's that's frightening.

2017
01:44:52,280 --> 01:44:54,800
Speaker 11: Yes, and it's been suppressed for a long time. And

2018
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:57,160
Speaker 11: I go into quite a bit of detail about it

2019
01:44:57,200 --> 01:45:00,680
Speaker 11: in my book. And you know, the point of the

2020
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:06,360
Speaker 11: Japanese even before he was inaugurated, he told you know,

2021
01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:11,679
Speaker 11: his future cabinet members that you know, he foresaw war

2022
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:16,160
Speaker 11: with Japan. So this is you know, in nineteen early

2023
01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:19,559
Speaker 11: nineteen thirty three. He was inaugurated in March, of course.

2024
01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:24,720
Speaker 1: Wow. But there have been rumors swirling for years that

2025
01:45:25,120 --> 01:45:28,280
Speaker 1: maybe he even knew about the impending and bombing of

2026
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:30,479
Speaker 1: Pearl Harbor. Is there any truth to that notion?

2027
01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:34,639
Speaker 11: Well, I don't know if that will ever be proven

2028
01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:37,599
Speaker 11: because a lot of the records have been destroyed and

2029
01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:42,160
Speaker 11: he did not keep diaries, but he did tell Admiral

2030
01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:48,800
Speaker 11: Richardson James L. Richardson that he would not remove the

2031
01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:54,680
Speaker 11: fleet from Hawaii. Richardson said, you know, they're vulnerable. So

2032
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:57,439
Speaker 11: he said, I can't do this in an election year.

2033
01:45:57,479 --> 01:46:02,320
Speaker 11: It's nineteen forty. So he, uh, you know, put Richardson

2034
01:46:02,360 --> 01:46:04,760
Speaker 11: in a different spot and put in Kimmel, who was

2035
01:46:05,240 --> 01:46:09,800
Speaker 11: more you know, agreeable, And so he was warned about that.

2036
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:14,680
Speaker 11: And he was trying to provoke war. I mean, you know,

2037
01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:17,160
Speaker 11: as I point out in an article that I had

2038
01:46:17,200 --> 01:46:21,240
Speaker 11: published recently. Also, you know, when he and Churchill met

2039
01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:25,559
Speaker 11: at Placentia Bay, he said, you know, I am going

2040
01:46:25,640 --> 01:46:29,960
Speaker 11: to provoke war. I want I want to have a provocation.

2041
01:46:30,439 --> 01:46:34,120
Speaker 11: I want an incident. He was hoping that it would

2042
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:37,720
Speaker 11: be around the Philippines. You know, he didn't think that

2043
01:46:37,800 --> 01:46:42,240
Speaker 11: the Japanese were smart enough to send such a bombing mission,

2044
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:45,000
Speaker 11: you know that you know, destroyed the fleet and killed

2045
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:48,920
Speaker 11: almost three thousand men. But they were you know, he

2046
01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:52,200
Speaker 11: thought that the Japanese were sneaky and not very smart.

2047
01:46:52,720 --> 01:46:54,760
Speaker 1: Well, I know he's perceived as this, you know, a

2048
01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:57,880
Speaker 1: champion of the working crass and a class in the press. Obviously,

2049
01:46:57,920 --> 01:47:00,880
Speaker 1: he had a great depression to camp pain On along

2050
01:47:00,920 --> 01:47:04,880
Speaker 1: those lines. I suppose the failure of the Hoover administration

2051
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:08,080
Speaker 1: helped him, But what was his driving motivation? Is it

2052
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 1: just simply a typical politician power struggle and wanting to

2053
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:14,439
Speaker 1: be a powerful, controlling man.

2054
01:47:15,080 --> 01:47:18,519
Speaker 11: Yes, he wanted to be a dictator. He was called

2055
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:22,760
Speaker 11: a dictator when he was first inaugurated. Some people said,

2056
01:47:22,760 --> 01:47:25,360
Speaker 11: we need a dictator to get us out of the depression.

2057
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:29,160
Speaker 11: But his ambition from the time he was a boy,

2058
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:32,679
Speaker 11: or at least a freshman at Harvard, as he told

2059
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:37,240
Speaker 11: a girlfriend or he hoped would be his girlfriend, that

2060
01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:40,479
Speaker 11: he thought he would be president. And he followed in

2061
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:44,600
Speaker 11: the footsteps of his cousin, his distant cousin, Theodore Roosevelt,

2062
01:47:44,680 --> 01:47:49,760
Speaker 11: and you know, planned out his political path of you know,

2063
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:53,559
Speaker 11: one a seat to the New York State Senate, then

2064
01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:57,479
Speaker 11: became assistant Secretary of the Navy, just like you know,

2065
01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:03,880
Speaker 11: t R. Was ran for vice president with Knox, with

2066
01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:07,920
Speaker 11: Cox I'm sorry, and you know then of course came

2067
01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:11,559
Speaker 11: down with polio. And but he did, you know, when

2068
01:48:11,560 --> 01:48:15,479
Speaker 11: the governorship served two terms and you know, he was

2069
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:18,200
Speaker 11: looking for an opportunity. A lot of people think he

2070
01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:22,720
Speaker 11: was just you know, floundering around. Well, meaning during the depression.

2071
01:48:23,400 --> 01:48:24,880
Speaker 11: But as I point out.

2072
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:28,040
Speaker 4: From a speech that he gave at the People's.

2073
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:31,240
Speaker 11: Forum in Troy, New York in March nineteen twelve, he

2074
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:35,040
Speaker 11: believed that the Founding Fathers had it a little wrong.

2075
01:48:35,720 --> 01:48:40,360
Speaker 11: They wanted independence, but what they really wanted was cooperation

2076
01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:45,760
Speaker 11: and interdependence. And he already was talking about the compulsory

2077
01:48:45,880 --> 01:48:48,599
Speaker 11: programs that he would set up in the New Deal.

2078
01:48:49,160 --> 01:48:50,679
Speaker 11: So this is nineteen twelve.

2079
01:48:51,640 --> 01:48:55,240
Speaker 1: Well, was he a fan of the Woodrow Wilson style government?

2080
01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:58,479
Speaker 1: You know, dictatorial from top down and you know, the

2081
01:48:58,680 --> 01:49:02,479
Speaker 1: the govern of experts dictating the terms of condition of

2082
01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:04,240
Speaker 1: our lives. Is that his mold.

2083
01:49:06,160 --> 01:49:06,760
Speaker 14: A little bit.

2084
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:12,120
Speaker 11: He was not a great reader or a student, you know,

2085
01:49:12,240 --> 01:49:16,400
Speaker 11: he was, you know, living in that milieu of progressivism.

2086
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:21,720
Speaker 11: I don't think he consciously followed Woodrow Wilson's program, but

2087
01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:28,400
Speaker 11: they coincidentally matched because Franklin Roosevelt, you know, grew up

2088
01:49:28,439 --> 01:49:31,599
Speaker 11: in the Hudson Valley and the kind of feudalistic system

2089
01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:35,240
Speaker 11: he thought of himself as, you know, being sort of

2090
01:49:35,320 --> 01:49:40,000
Speaker 11: lord of the nation, and that top down system, you know,

2091
01:49:40,200 --> 01:49:43,800
Speaker 11: aligns with progressivism. Yes, so he had these kind of

2092
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:47,760
Speaker 11: vague notions but and he, you know, he did see

2093
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:52,400
Speaker 11: himself as being powerful, more powerful than the other two

2094
01:49:52,479 --> 01:49:53,599
Speaker 11: branches of government.

2095
01:49:54,240 --> 01:49:56,000
Speaker 1: Well, and I guess I have to ask, because you know,

2096
01:49:56,120 --> 01:49:59,880
Speaker 1: mister Fireside, Chad Fdr. Everybody's like sort of Grand Fi

2097
01:50:00,479 --> 01:50:03,040
Speaker 1: figure offering us, you know, comfort and solace in our

2098
01:50:03,120 --> 01:50:06,720
Speaker 1: in our difficult times. Excuse me, ma'am. What was he

2099
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:09,519
Speaker 1: really like behind the scenes? Was he that you know,

2100
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:12,640
Speaker 1: decent reasonable guy or was he kind of boil it

2101
01:50:12,680 --> 01:50:14,360
Speaker 1: down as there was he kind of a jerk because

2102
01:50:14,479 --> 01:50:16,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people's public persona is not the way

2103
01:50:16,840 --> 01:50:18,840
Speaker 1: they really run the run the ship.

2104
01:50:20,120 --> 01:50:20,639
Speaker 4: That's right.

2105
01:50:20,840 --> 01:50:23,240
Speaker 11: Yes, he was a master of the radio. That was

2106
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:26,880
Speaker 11: a new medium. That was you know, and so was Mussolini.

2107
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:34,799
Speaker 11: But I quote extensively from a fellow Groten student, Francis Biddle,

2108
01:50:34,840 --> 01:50:40,200
Speaker 11: who became his uh Attorney general ultimately, and he writes

2109
01:50:40,439 --> 01:50:45,000
Speaker 11: about what he would do to the people closest to him.

2110
01:50:45,479 --> 01:50:45,599
Speaker 3: Uh.

2111
01:50:46,120 --> 01:50:49,880
Speaker 11: He had a way of catching them when they were

2112
01:50:49,960 --> 01:50:55,120
Speaker 11: most vulnerable and then sort of attacking them with something

2113
01:50:55,160 --> 01:51:01,439
Speaker 11: that was very hurtful, and he had pleasure in doing that.

2114
01:51:01,720 --> 01:51:05,599
Speaker 11: There's something sadistic about him, and even I don't know

2115
01:51:05,640 --> 01:51:08,320
Speaker 11: if you know I'm not a psychologist, but when he

2116
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:11,040
Speaker 11: was a boy, he wrote this letter to one of

2117
01:51:11,080 --> 01:51:17,360
Speaker 11: his governesses about how he liked to watch squirrels die

2118
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:27,639
Speaker 11: after he shot them or esque. I know it's there

2119
01:51:27,800 --> 01:51:33,160
Speaker 11: was definitely a mean streak, and he really was impervious

2120
01:51:33,240 --> 01:51:39,080
Speaker 11: to people's suffering. He was very callous. He's yeah, yeah,

2121
01:51:39,120 --> 01:51:43,920
Speaker 11: he sent this maybe lieutenant on a He wanted to

2122
01:51:43,960 --> 01:51:47,080
Speaker 11: send him on a suicide mission to provoke the Japanese.

2123
01:51:47,240 --> 01:51:52,479
Speaker 11: And you know, given given what I've discovered about his

2124
01:51:52,640 --> 01:51:59,320
Speaker 11: early life and his pre presidential career, that sounds, you know,

2125
01:52:00,200 --> 01:52:03,679
Speaker 11: like it would be true. I mean, that was his character.

2126
01:52:04,040 --> 01:52:07,840
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure there's a DSM diagnosis born somewhere in there,

2127
01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:11,000
Speaker 1: without question. Name of the book, Debunking FDR The Man

2128
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Speaker 1: in the Miss my guest today, Mary Grevart. Mary, we

2129
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Speaker 1: put your book on my blog page fifty five cars

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2131
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Speaker 1: learn about the realities of FDR rather than the myths

2132
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Speaker 1: and legends we've been fed all these years. Mary, It's

2133
01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:25,880
Speaker 1: been an interesting conversation. It's a wonderful book, and I

2134
01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:27,640
Speaker 1: know my listener is going to really enjoy reading it.

2135
01:52:27,680 --> 01:52:29,040
Speaker 1: And I can't thank you enough for the time he

2136
01:52:29,120 --> 01:52:31,599
Speaker 1: spoke my listeners today, just scratching the surface of the

2137
01:52:31,600 --> 01:52:33,320
Speaker 1: man who is or was FDR.

2138
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Speaker 11: Well, thank you for having me. It's been a pleasure.

2139
01:52:37,479 --> 01:52:39,400
Speaker 1: SAH had me thirty fifty five krc DE Talk Station.

2140
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Speaker 1: A very happy Friday to you, bry Thomas. Please to

2141
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2142
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Speaker 1: couple of books we're going to be talking about today.

2143
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Speaker 1: will be speaking about today, as I mentioned, the DNA

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Speaker 1: of Democracy Volume one and Shadows of the Acropolis Volume two.

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Speaker 1: Born and raised in the Midwest, education took him through

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Speaker 1: Loyola Academy, University of North Caro, North Texas, and graduate

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Speaker 1: with career at Southern Methodist University. He's been a lifelong

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Speaker 1: admired of the written word, which has led him to

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Speaker 1: a literary pursuits as a poet, essays and so screenwriter,

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Speaker 1: also a third generation printer. Welcome to the program, mister Lyons.

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Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to have you on today.

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Speaker 16: Oh great to be with you, Brian.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now let's start with the DNA of Democracy. You do

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Speaker 1: a long history analysis of this from the Ten Commandments

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Speaker 1: all the way through modern times how democracy is formed,

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Speaker 1: you know, And I'm thinking about the Ten Commandments, and

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Speaker 1: I've always tried to contemplate this. I try to be

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Speaker 1: Switzerland in my approach to the Morning Show. I have

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Speaker 1: many in my audience who are very religious. I have agnostics,

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Speaker 1: I've got atheists. But I've always thought to myself, you

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Speaker 1: know what if you if you weren't religious, you're Moses

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Speaker 1: sitting on a mountain and you were the head of

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Speaker 1: the tribe, and you left to sort of contemplate life's problems,

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Speaker 1: you probably would have come up with the Ten Commandments

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Speaker 1: as you sit there and contemplate, why is it that

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Speaker 1: our neighbors are fighting amongst themselves? Why is it something? Well,

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Speaker 1: it's because you coveted your neighbor's wife, or but it's

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Speaker 1: because you cover your covetous and greedy generally, you know,

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Speaker 1: don't do that stuff and you'll live a happier life.

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Speaker 16: No, that's great, Brian, and very true. It's common sense,

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Speaker 16: isn't it.

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Speaker 5: It is?

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Speaker 16: But it's also it's also the first And people don't

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Speaker 16: get this, and everybody should, even humanists, that the Ten

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Speaker 16: Commandments were the first common law. They were the first

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Speaker 16: law that entailed both kings and priests and had a

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Speaker 16: common law to which applied to the whole society, not

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Speaker 16: just some I like that. I look at that, and

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Speaker 16: that is that is a real foundation of British common

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Speaker 16: law and our common law. So that's where I see

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Speaker 16: it as a as a contributing element to our democracy.

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Speaker 16: And also there are rights entailed to that right if

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Speaker 16: you don't come it, you have a right to your

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Speaker 16: own property, right, thou shalt not steal. You have a

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Speaker 16: right to your own life, thou shalt not murder. These

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Speaker 16: are things that are also cornerstones of democracies.

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Speaker 1: Unalienable rights. And I always think of things, hey, I

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Speaker 1: derive from God. It derived from God because the greatest illustration.

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Speaker 1: And I talk to Judge Enata Palaton about this all

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Speaker 1: the time on my program, he's on every week. If

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Speaker 1: you were in the state of nature, if you were

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Speaker 1: plunked down in the field before there was organized police, religion,

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Speaker 1: a government, you have the right to defend yourself. You

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Speaker 1: have the right to own property, you have the right

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Speaker 1: to hunt and gather and eat, and all of these

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Speaker 1: things come built into the package, and only a government

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Speaker 1: institution or perhaps sometimes religious organization can take them away

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Speaker 1: from you. Yes, correct, that's right.

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Speaker 16: But it's derived from God, as from the mount brought

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Speaker 16: down by Moses. No power on earth can take those

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Speaker 16: rights away. And that's the point. They're inalienable.

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Speaker 1: Why are we as a people so willing to want

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Speaker 1: to give those up? I understand we must interact and coexist,

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Speaker 1: but that's where a system of laws comes in that

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Speaker 1: are supposed to be designed to protect these unalienable rights.

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Speaker 1: And yet people are almost fearful of being free and

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Speaker 1: being able to have these choices, but being also responsible

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Speaker 1: for these choices.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I think you know, there's an allure to big

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Speaker 16: government and we've been subject to that now, Brian for decades. Yes,

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Speaker 16: where the people look to big government and they say,

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Speaker 16: you know you can. And it comes from World War two,

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Speaker 16: the great success in World War Two. After that, people said, well,

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Speaker 16: the government can do no wrong, and we should look

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Speaker 16: to government to solve all of our problems because they

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Speaker 16: solve the problem of Hitler and Japan. And it became

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Speaker 16: a mindset in America that a centralized government in Washington,

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Speaker 16: DC can solve all of society's will was, and the

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Speaker 16: allure to people is, well, if they are solving my problem,

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Speaker 16: I don't have to think about it, I don't have

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Speaker 16: to deal with it. And so we fell prey to

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Speaker 16: that for decades and now we're just waking up to

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Speaker 16: the other side of that coin, and that is that

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Speaker 16: governments can all so oppress. They can also overtax you.

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Speaker 16: They can also spend your money really stupidly. So this

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Speaker 16: is a good mindset we're discovering now with Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, and you know, it's interesting on the heels of

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Speaker 1: my conversation with doctor James Thorpe, who exposed how devastating

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Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen vae vaccine is and was for pregnant mothers.

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Speaker 1: That's that Woodrow Wilsonian, a government of experts kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: Just let us tell you how it is, and then

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Speaker 1: you just listen to us and just don't deny anything

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Speaker 1: we tell you. And we find out we're being lied

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Speaker 1: to all the time.

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Speaker 16: And Fauci was the poster boy for that. Really, and

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Speaker 16: for a government, well think about this, Brian, for a

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Speaker 16: government to have the supposed right to inject something into

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Speaker 16: your body, I mean, there's nothing more invasive than that

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Speaker 16: and to give government the right to do that is

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Speaker 16: antidemocratic really, and when you don't question what they're doing,

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Speaker 16: that's very anti democratic.

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Speaker 1: Well, I fascinating reality we're living with here. Do you

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Speaker 1: think we are all actually collectively waking up to this?

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Speaker 1: Do you think we're going to have some movement back

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Speaker 1: toward these fundamental liberties that we shouldn't take for granted,

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Speaker 1: that based upon all the lies that we now perceive,

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Speaker 1: and thanks in large part to the Internet, that these

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Speaker 1: alternative voices and these realities can actually be brought to

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Speaker 1: the American people, that there's going to be maybe a

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Speaker 1: renaissance of that type of attitude.

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Speaker 16: No, and think about your show, think about what you know.

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Speaker 16: I attributed to Rush Limbaugh what he started as an

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Speaker 16: independent voice that became national and alternative.

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Speaker 1: And proved to be right.

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Speaker 16: And so this decentralization of power I hope continues. My

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Speaker 16: books illustrate how and why our government was created as

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Speaker 16: a diffused power base. So you have states, localities, and

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Speaker 16: then the fit government. Shadows of the Acropolis chronicles the

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Speaker 16: last hundred years, and how power from Woodrow Wilson very

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Speaker 16: true concentrated in Washington, d C. Contrary to our constitutional principles.

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Speaker 16: And so I'm hoping that after that century now we

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Speaker 16: look at government and and all these discoveries of Elon

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Speaker 16: Musk about how much money has been wasted, how it's

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Speaker 16: been how it all happens to end up, my gosh,

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Speaker 16: in Democrat hands.

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Speaker 15: That's really funny, isn't it.

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Speaker 16: How you know, this cronyism, this this grifter mentality that

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Speaker 16: you know, issued from the Clinton's on down when the

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Speaker 16: Democratic Party, I think when people see this and with

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Speaker 16: the vaccine and all these sorts of things, you know,

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Speaker 16: government can be wrong, and in fact, government can be dangerous.

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Speaker 16: And when people wake up to that, they'll wake up

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Speaker 16: to the idea we must shrink the size of the

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Speaker 16: federal government. We must, you know, put barriers to its

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Speaker 16: ability to invade our lives.

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Speaker 1: Amen to that make up just a bunch of intriguing

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Speaker 1: and wonderful observations and shadow of the shadows of the acropolis.

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Speaker 1: I guess I wonder you talk about division that exists.

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Speaker 1: You wonder why the nation feels so politically divided. There

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Speaker 1: is a constant stirring of the pot of division that

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Speaker 1: has just become so pronounced over the past fifteen twenty years.

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Speaker 1: At every turn, you can't have an opinion about someone

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Speaker 1: screaming at you that you are wrong. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: how infintestinally small any given subject matter is. You're not

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Speaker 1: entitled to speak your mind. The loudest voice in the room,

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Speaker 1: perhaps even the smallest group of people that abide by

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Speaker 1: some particular message like that a man can be a woman,

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Speaker 1: ends up becoming the dominant narrative in a conversation, which

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Speaker 1: is flies in the face of logic and reason.

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Speaker 16: Yes, but they had such control Brian of the media

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Speaker 16: and used it and for decades again. And you know,

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Speaker 16: it's like someone on the mount preaching to you and

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Speaker 16: telling you that what is right is wrong and what

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Speaker 16: is wrong is right, and then demanding that you believe it.

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Speaker 16: And this is really where I think the Democrat Party

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Speaker 16: went too far. They think they can literally do this

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Speaker 16: in America, where you do have an alternative media, and

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Speaker 16: we're the first Bill of Rights, the first Amendment of

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Speaker 16: the Bill of Rights guarantees free speech. So you cannot

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Speaker 16: be un American and say you can't speak.

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Speaker 1: And isn't that really what that whole anti disinformation campaign

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Speaker 1: was about. They only wanted one narrative, the one that

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Speaker 1: they said was the appropriate information. Again, going back to

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Speaker 1: Fauci or this nonsensical green religion that we've been it's

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Speaker 1: been forced down our throats in spite of the objective

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Speaker 1: information and scientific evidence that it's nonsense. You know, carbon

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Speaker 1: dioxide's plant food, for God's sake, Well it is.

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Speaker 16: It's a large part of the atmosphere. But think about

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Speaker 16: the scheme. If the temperature is fifty one degrees, we

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Speaker 16: can tax you. If it's ninety two degrees, we can

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Speaker 16: tax you. It's a real engine for money making. And

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Speaker 16: where's all the money going the money? We have a

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Speaker 16: virtuous private economy right large, and it's private ownership and

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Speaker 16: it's private enterprise, and we've allowed this centralized government for

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Speaker 16: a century to grow up on top of it as

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Speaker 16: a parasitic organism that takes all the fruits of all

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Speaker 16: those labors into itself and distributes that money to its

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Speaker 16: friends and fellow politicians. And that's what you see when

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Speaker 16: you see the EPA giving out twenty billion dollars to

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Speaker 16: eight recipients, one of whom is giving five billion dollars

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Speaker 16: back to his former employer.

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Speaker 1: Well, who do you think that is?

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Speaker 5: I think it's his friend, isn't it.

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Speaker 16: Yes, We're giving two billion dollars to Stacy Abrams and

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Speaker 16: then she's funneling it through five other different entities in

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Speaker 16: this web of corruption. And I really applaud that Elon

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Speaker 16: Musk is going to go after this. I want the

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Speaker 16: Justice Department and the Treasury to find out where every

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Speaker 16: dime is going, Amen, and illustrate it on shows like

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Speaker 16: your own, so that people know, my god, they're taking

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Speaker 16: this money and doing what with it. They're giving it

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Speaker 16: to their friends and their kids and other Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the eight eight million or ten million or twenty

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Speaker 1: million dollars that went to Zimbabwe or whatever for male

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Speaker 1: circumcisions didn't actually, it didn't make it nobody right. It

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Speaker 1: ended up back in Washington with lobbying groups that ended

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Speaker 1: up put it back in the pockets of politicians for

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Speaker 1: their re election campaign. And isn't that part of the problem.

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Speaker 1: We as Americans tend to select some pretty awful people

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Speaker 1: as our representatives. We need to wake up to that

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Speaker 1: and find better people. Yeah, agreed, there ought to be.

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Speaker 5: There ought to be.

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Speaker 1: You know, the people are.

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Speaker 5: Their own vetting.

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Speaker 16: They are the vetting process, and they should really listen

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Speaker 16: to what politicians are saying and not just say, well,

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Speaker 16: they have a D by their name, so I'm voting

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Speaker 16: for them, an R by their name, so I'm voting

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Speaker 16: for them. You're right, some of these people are not

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Speaker 16: qualified and really don't think in the people's best interest.

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Speaker 16: They're looking for a job they can hold for thirty years, yeah,

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Speaker 16: and get paid.

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Speaker 1: You know, Richly, guys like representatives who think Guam can

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Speaker 1: capsize if you put another building on it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, Richard Richard Lions, the author of the two

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Speaker 1: books we're talking about today, The DNA of Democracy and

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Speaker 1: Shadows of the Acropulus, Volume two. It's been a great conversation.

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Speaker 1: I really enjoy it, Richard. I know my listeners are

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Speaker 1: going to love to get the books, and we'll make

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Speaker 1: it really easy for him by putting a link on

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Speaker 1: my blog page at fifty five KRC dot com. Keep

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Speaker 1: up the great work. It's been a real pleasure, man.

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Speaker 1: I wish we had more time to talk, but thanks

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Speaker 1: for spending time. They take thirty Here fifty five KRCD

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Speaker 1: Talk Station are very happy Monday to you. Continuing a

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Speaker 1: theme of late here in the fifty five KRC Morning Show.

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Speaker 1: We heard from doctor James as well as doctor Robert

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Speaker 1: Malone about their experiences speaking truth to power during COVID nineteen,

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Speaker 1: had their licenses pulled, they were attacked. Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: fifty five KCY Morning Show. Scott Miller, Doctor Scott Miller,

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Speaker 1: author of The Most Dangerous Man in Washington. That's Washington State, right, doctor, Yeah, I'm.

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Speaker 6: A position to thing. Yes, it was Washington State.

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Speaker 1: Oh, okay, okay. Now, you watched this whole COVID thing

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Speaker 1: unfold and a lot of doctors being you know, diagnosticians

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Speaker 1: or medical practitioners being diagnosticians kind of saw through the

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Speaker 1: fog that we were presented. It was a one sided narrative.

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Speaker 1: You couldn't you couldn't say anything against what doctor Fauci uttered.

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Speaker 1: It was like God or something, the word of God.

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Speaker 1: So you can't dare question it. But a lot of

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Speaker 1: people did and they suffer the consequences. Can you explain

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Speaker 1: to my listening audiences, you know, obviously in brief because

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Speaker 1: they're gonna want to read the book in detail, but

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Speaker 1: what happened to you and what were you doing that

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Speaker 1: flew in the face of this this narrative that we

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Speaker 1: were being sold.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, first of all, the thing is almost no ended

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Speaker 6: if you look at one point two million practitioners in

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Speaker 6: the United States. The fact that doctor Malone, uh pure core,

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Speaker 6: doctor Cory, doctor Merrick, doctor mccauff, doctor Cole. We we

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Speaker 6: know their names because there's so few. I was the

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Speaker 6: only one in the state of Washington that was speaking out,

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Speaker 6: like actively speaking out because the consequences of doing it

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Speaker 6: were so high. So there's there's so few of us

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Speaker 6: that we all know each other's names, which is which

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Speaker 6: is really sad. But yeah, I I had a a

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Speaker 6: I was a single owner, single provider of a pediatric

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Speaker 6: medical practice. And you know, there are two things that

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Speaker 6: hit really early on when in March of twenty twenty,

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Speaker 6: when Fauci and when Anthony Fauci and doctor Deborah Burks

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Speaker 6: were saying there's no treatment that didn't make any sense,

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Speaker 6: there's or there's nothing you can do except for being afraid,

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Speaker 6: stay inside and don't have grandma. And then the whole

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Speaker 6: push when we were told that we can't you know,

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Speaker 6: we can't go to birthday parties or concerts until seven

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Speaker 6: billion people are vaccinated and then im mediate you know

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Speaker 6: that that should make all of us afraid of what

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Speaker 6: the agenda was. So what was happening for me was

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Speaker 6: I was seeing the initially the damage, the psychological and

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Speaker 6: emotional damage that was happening to children when schools shut

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Speaker 6: down and they were home and isolated, and this whole

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Speaker 6: inculcation of fear that they were rocking vectors of death.

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Speaker 6: And I started speaking out and I ended up being

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Speaker 6: asked to speak at at a rally at our state

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Speaker 6: capitol and in May of twenty twenty. And after that,

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Speaker 6: thing's the government, the state, you know, kind of put

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Speaker 6: a target on me, and so they started they started

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Speaker 6: coming after me.

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Speaker 1: Now, were any of your patients harmed based upon your

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Speaker 1: alternative treatments? I understand you had some breathing therapies and others.

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Speaker 1: You know, your observations on the front line in treating

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Speaker 1: patients obviously brought to your attention that no, there are

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Speaker 1: ways around this, There are treatments available. The children are

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Speaker 1: not dropping dead as a consequence of getting COVID, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can see this in your practice every

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Speaker 1: single day, which goes against the narrative being sold. Didn't

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Speaker 1: other I guess since other practitioners were following lockstep and

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Speaker 1: not providing alternative therapies as options. Maybe they didn't see

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Speaker 1: it well.

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Speaker 6: They nobody was doing impatient. So on March nineteen, twenty twenty,

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Speaker 6: everything went to went to telemedicine. I just I never

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Speaker 6: closed my practice, so I was happy and kids were unaffected.

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Speaker 6: If a family, you know, mom and dad had COVID

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Speaker 6: and they were acutely ill, if the kids had very

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Speaker 6: mild symptoms, and if they were if they had pre

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Speaker 6: existing congitions, if they were asthmatic, I would use breathing treatments.

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Speaker 6: I'd give them a dose of ibermactin breathing treatments and

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Speaker 6: they were better in a day or two. I mean

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Speaker 6: it virtually unaffected children. But you know the problem is

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Speaker 6: if you're not if you're not seeing people in practice,

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Speaker 6: or if you're told there's no treatment, how are you

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Speaker 6: And so you just followed that that kind of like

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Speaker 6: lock steps followed that, How are you going to know

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Speaker 6: if you're not experimenting, if you're not you know, practicing medicine,

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Speaker 6: you're not going to know. You know, I would walk

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Speaker 6: in the homes of somebody that was sent you know,

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Speaker 6: like an elderly person sent homes in the hospital, and

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Speaker 6: I'd walk into their home and they were in acute

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Speaker 6: respiratory failure, and within thirty minutes I could get their

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Speaker 6: oxygen from seventy five percent on room air up to

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Speaker 6: ninety ninety two percent with the therapies we were using,

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Speaker 6: which is incredible, right. I Mean, it's not like me,

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Speaker 6: it's the science. So I'm just following the science of

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Speaker 6: you know, how do we how do we mitigate the

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Speaker 6: inflammatory damage that's going on? And it was for on

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Speaker 6: ten purposes. It was pretty easy.

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Speaker 1: So in these therapies, you didn't invent them as a

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Speaker 1: consequence of COVID nineteen. If you have a respiratory patient

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Speaker 1: part of COVID nineteen, these therapies were out there and

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Speaker 1: known to the medical community, were they not.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, My father in law is an er doctor,

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Speaker 6: and I was talking to them, like, how come the

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Speaker 6: hospitals aren't using these? Yeah, and the primary things, especially

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Speaker 6: early on, this is the crazy thing. We don't want

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Speaker 6: to nebulize COVID. That was their thing with nebulizing. I'm like,

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Speaker 6: that doesn't make any sense. It's the dumbest thing I've

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Speaker 6: ever heard, Right, It's like, I don't want to nebulize influenza.

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Speaker 6: I don't want to nebulize pneumonia. You know, you need

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Speaker 6: to treat the lungs. And they didn't because part of

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Speaker 6: the problem was HHS. When when these patients would come

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Speaker 6: in and they were diagnosed with COVID pneumonia, they couldn't

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Speaker 6: for them to get full payout using remdesiders of monotherapy.

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Speaker 6: They couldn't treat with anything else, and they would get,

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Speaker 6: you know, like a twenty percent extra payout in using

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Speaker 6: Brendserbier's a monotherapy, and then they got it. I mean

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Speaker 6: I just went through hospital records of a woman last

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Speaker 6: night who had died and the shoes in the shoes

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Speaker 6: in the hospital for ten days, and it paid out

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Speaker 6: two hundred and ninety thousand dollars. I mean, that's a

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Speaker 6: great model. That's a great business model. You know, like

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Speaker 6: people living didn't pay out, people dying paid out. It

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Speaker 6: was shocking the billions and billions of dollars hospitals made

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Speaker 6: on people dying, and.

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Speaker 1: So the hospital systems would pressure the doctors for this

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Speaker 1: one size fits all money making quote unquote therapy or

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Speaker 1: treatment methodology to the exclusion of other things which clearly

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Speaker 1: would have worked, thus forcing the doctors to violate their

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Speaker 1: hippocratic oath. I mean, this is they.

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Speaker 6: Really don't I don't even know that they forced them.

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Speaker 6: The doctors. You know when you when you're indoctrinated into

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Speaker 6: double blind randomized trials and they run they were something

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Speaker 6: called the Recovery Study where they did different trials with

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02:12:05,520 --> 02:12:09,840
Speaker 6: different steroids, and they came up with this steroid called

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Speaker 6: dexonthi zone being the only thing that worked. Nothing else worked,

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Speaker 6: And so it was adopted in every hospital in every city,

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Speaker 6: in every state across the country. And every I did

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Speaker 6: hospital advocacy, I'd be asked to help get people out

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Speaker 6: of hoss, out of the ic you in all over

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Speaker 6: the country in every single phone call, and I probably

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Speaker 6: spent I've spent over fifteen hundred hours talking to hospitals

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Speaker 6: and getting getting getting people out of the ICU or

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Speaker 6: off ventilators. And it's really not It's sadly, it's really

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Speaker 6: not that hard if you can convince the doctors to move.

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Speaker 4: Outside of that checklist.

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Speaker 6: That they had from the CDC. But they were just

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Speaker 6: following orders. It wasn't even necessarily pressured. They were just

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Speaker 6: told this is what works, and they're like, okay, here's

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Speaker 6: the study, this is what we do it. It was

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Speaker 6: like every provider in the hostel it became Lemmings.

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Speaker 4: It was.

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Speaker 12: It was shocking.

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Speaker 6: It was it was like the news where you see

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Speaker 6: the same thing disseminated across these different platforms. It was

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Speaker 6: the same exact thing. Every doctor I talked to regurgitated

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Speaker 6: the same exact line. Well, we just don't have enough data,

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Speaker 6: and we're using we're using the best you know, data

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Speaker 6: and best science that we had at this time. That

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Speaker 6: was it was almost verbata in every hospital.

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Speaker 1: Were there not other studies out there which prove that

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Speaker 1: to be well contrary to the truth that know, there

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Speaker 1: are alternatives. I mean you mentioned i remett and that

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Speaker 1: was labeled as oh my god, a horse d wormer.

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Speaker 1: That's insane. You can't go using that. And in fact

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Speaker 1: I have been used for decades apparently zero side effects

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02:13:43,200 --> 02:13:46,200
Speaker 1: and no harm. It is worthy of an effort to

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Speaker 1: try it out again. Going as a diagnostician looking for

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Speaker 1: the best possible outcome for your patients, you should have

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02:13:51,440 --> 02:13:53,000
Speaker 1: been in a position to be able to at least

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Speaker 1: try that. Pharmacies were told they couldn't even issue a

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Speaker 1: prescription for it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so It was July or August of twenty twenty

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Speaker 6: one where the pharmacy boards came down on the pharma.

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02:14:05,920 --> 02:14:09,480
Speaker 6: They put out basically kind of like HHS with the hostels.

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Speaker 6: They put out this blanket statement that pharmacists are not

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Speaker 6: allowed to prescribe bybermectin if it's suspected to treat COVID,

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02:14:18,880 --> 02:14:22,400
Speaker 6: which which I ended up buying the equivalent to the

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02:14:22,440 --> 02:14:25,360
Speaker 6: small pharmacy so that I could give it out to

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02:14:25,440 --> 02:14:30,080
Speaker 6: people in conjunction with other therapies, because you know, by

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02:14:30,160 --> 02:14:33,720
Speaker 6: delta ibermectin alone, it wasn't a monotherapy to make it

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02:14:33,760 --> 02:14:37,800
Speaker 6: go away. Once the shots rolled out, people got sicker

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02:14:37,880 --> 02:14:40,520
Speaker 6: and sicker and sicker, and it became much more difficult

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02:14:40,560 --> 02:14:44,800
Speaker 6: to treat. But yeah, it was. It's you know, I

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Speaker 6: go through it in the book, just my experience of

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02:14:48,800 --> 02:14:50,760
Speaker 6: what I was seeing and how we were able to,

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02:14:52,600 --> 02:14:55,720
Speaker 6: you know, anecdotal something that we used to we used

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Speaker 6: to care about, Like if you have five hundred patients

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02:14:59,160 --> 02:15:02,080
Speaker 6: and you use these therapies and their symptoms went away,

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02:15:02,120 --> 02:15:05,720
Speaker 6: you'd be like, hmm, maybe maybe that's the thing. Yeah,

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02:15:05,760 --> 02:15:10,120
Speaker 6: maybe we're onto something. The hospitals it literally didn't matter.

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02:15:10,240 --> 02:15:13,000
Speaker 6: They it was it was so difficult to move the

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02:15:13,000 --> 02:15:16,560
Speaker 6: needle and getting doctors to modify their treatments. They would

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02:15:16,840 --> 02:15:20,680
Speaker 6: they would put somebody that declined mechanical ventilation, they would

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02:15:20,680 --> 02:15:23,000
Speaker 6: put them on comfort care. I mean they would they

2555
02:15:23,040 --> 02:15:27,360
Speaker 6: would literally help assist in their death instead of trying

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02:15:27,400 --> 02:15:29,880
Speaker 6: to literally I mean I had that happen. I mean

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02:15:29,960 --> 02:15:33,120
Speaker 6: I was on the phone as a daughter is laying

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02:15:33,120 --> 02:15:35,960
Speaker 6: over her mom as their administering meditations to kill her

2559
02:15:36,000 --> 02:15:37,760
Speaker 6: mom instead of treating her.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. And ultimately, this is a money thing.

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02:15:41,280 --> 02:15:44,000
Speaker 1: Ive remeced in generic. It's cheap, it doesn't cost much

2562
02:15:44,120 --> 02:15:47,400
Speaker 1: manufacturer at least to pay for a pharmaceutical like a

2563
02:15:47,440 --> 02:15:51,520
Speaker 1: brand new COVID vaccine is worth a lot of money

2564
02:15:51,520 --> 02:15:54,640
Speaker 1: to the manufacturer. And certainly when you're when you're issuing

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02:15:54,640 --> 02:15:57,920
Speaker 1: it under emergency use authorization and you're free from liability

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02:15:57,960 --> 02:16:01,120
Speaker 1: associated with the dangers inherent in it, you're obviously going

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02:16:01,160 --> 02:16:04,040
Speaker 1: to have an incentive to push it. So it really

2568
02:16:04,160 --> 02:16:06,520
Speaker 1: is it to you? Does this boil down to money?

2569
02:16:06,600 --> 02:16:07,760
Speaker 1: Is that what this was all about?

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02:16:10,720 --> 02:16:11,200
Speaker 4: Control?

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02:16:12,200 --> 02:16:13,000
Speaker 1: Money and control?

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02:16:13,080 --> 02:16:16,160
Speaker 6: There's money, but it's control. If you look at if

2573
02:16:16,200 --> 02:16:18,400
Speaker 6: you look at how they were able to I mean

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02:16:18,400 --> 02:16:20,440
Speaker 6: I looked at it as kind of a you know,

2575
02:16:20,480 --> 02:16:24,120
Speaker 6: a phase one systems test to see how they could

2576
02:16:24,200 --> 02:16:30,240
Speaker 6: manipulate an entire country to you know, moms and dads

2577
02:16:30,240 --> 02:16:33,119
Speaker 6: that own small businesses that are told they're non essential,

2578
02:16:33,240 --> 02:16:35,840
Speaker 6: like that word alone. Yet there's a liquor store that's open.

2579
02:16:36,280 --> 02:16:38,720
Speaker 6: When you look at how they were able to manipulate

2580
02:16:38,800 --> 02:16:41,000
Speaker 6: and control us, and they did it. I mean I

2581
02:16:41,040 --> 02:16:43,720
Speaker 6: watched it happening in real time, and it's one of

2582
02:16:43,720 --> 02:16:46,120
Speaker 6: the reasons I went and spoke at the Capital trying

2583
02:16:46,160 --> 02:16:51,520
Speaker 6: to encourage people not just about the you know, the

2584
02:16:51,560 --> 02:16:56,800
Speaker 6: bioweapon that was released, but like our fundamental freedoms and rights.

2585
02:16:57,000 --> 02:17:00,840
Speaker 6: And it was like, don't stand up. I mean kids,

2586
02:17:01,400 --> 02:17:03,120
Speaker 6: you know, kids not able to go to the park

2587
02:17:03,200 --> 02:17:05,760
Speaker 6: or play with their friends. Well, we're told, you know,

2588
02:17:05,800 --> 02:17:07,080
Speaker 6: we were told we're not able to.

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Speaker 12: And my whole goal.

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Speaker 6: Is to try and try and disseminate truth and you know,

2591
02:17:12,600 --> 02:17:17,560
Speaker 6: wake up my community to aggressively resist this narrative that

2592
02:17:17,680 --> 02:17:20,720
Speaker 6: was happening. And the problem is it's still happening in

2593
02:17:20,879 --> 02:17:24,920
Speaker 6: every hospital. I was on the phone with the hospital

2594
02:17:25,000 --> 02:17:28,560
Speaker 6: last night until two in the morning, and fortunately beyond

2595
02:17:28,600 --> 02:17:31,800
Speaker 6: call doctor actually listened and we're able to adjust to

2596
02:17:31,959 --> 02:17:34,720
Speaker 6: a number of therapies. But it's the same thing. Nothing's

2597
02:17:34,800 --> 02:17:37,440
Speaker 6: changed in the hospitals, apart from now being able to

2598
02:17:37,440 --> 02:17:39,720
Speaker 6: go in and be with your loved one, but they're

2599
02:17:39,760 --> 02:17:41,400
Speaker 6: still doing the exact same things.

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Speaker 1: Yes, right using Scott right here in the city Sincinnati,

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02:17:45,760 --> 02:17:48,800
Speaker 1: very famous hospital, it's really well respected. Children since my

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02:17:48,920 --> 02:17:53,560
Speaker 1: children's hospital refused a heart transplant because the child or

2603
02:17:53,600 --> 02:17:55,879
Speaker 1: the parents of the child would not allow her to

2604
02:17:55,920 --> 02:17:58,960
Speaker 1: get a COVID nineteen vaccine for religious reasons. And you

2605
02:17:59,040 --> 02:18:00,480
Speaker 1: got to scratch your head in one since a COVID

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02:18:00,520 --> 02:18:03,440
Speaker 1: nineteen vactor, since children really don't succumb to the disease anyway,

2607
02:18:03,680 --> 02:18:06,720
Speaker 1: and COVID nineteen vaccine apparently causes heart problems at least,

2608
02:18:06,760 --> 02:18:10,120
Speaker 1: it's been a lot of information demonstrating that it seems counterintuitive,

2609
02:18:10,120 --> 02:18:12,520
Speaker 1: but there you have it, denying that patient a chance

2610
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Speaker 1: at life because of one vaccine.

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Speaker 6: Well, and the other thing, which is it's not just sad,

2612
02:18:18,480 --> 02:18:21,680
Speaker 6: it's criminal, and the fact that they had to get

2613
02:18:21,680 --> 02:18:25,440
Speaker 6: a religious exemption because they couldn't find the doctor to

2614
02:18:25,480 --> 02:18:28,280
Speaker 6: give them a medical exemption, because if they granted them

2615
02:18:28,280 --> 02:18:31,200
Speaker 6: a medical exemption, they would come under scrutiny of.

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02:18:31,120 --> 02:18:36,000
Speaker 1: The state well, and they didn't acknowledge the religious exemption.

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02:18:37,000 --> 02:18:38,880
Speaker 1: As of right now, as it stands, she's not getting

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02:18:38,879 --> 02:18:41,000
Speaker 1: the heart transplant unless there's information out there that I'm

2619
02:18:41,040 --> 02:18:45,480
Speaker 1: not aware of. Scott Miller, the most dangerous man in Washington.

2620
02:18:45,520 --> 02:18:47,480
Speaker 1: The name of the book, Scott. We got your book

2621
02:18:47,520 --> 02:18:49,520
Speaker 1: on my blog page at fifty five cares dot com

2622
02:18:49,520 --> 02:18:50,800
Speaker 1: with the link where people can get it, and I

2623
02:18:50,800 --> 02:18:53,920
Speaker 1: will strongly encourage them to do so. Everybody loves it.

2624
02:18:53,920 --> 02:18:56,959
Speaker 1: You've got five star rating across the board on Amazon,

2625
02:18:57,040 --> 02:18:59,960
Speaker 1: so congratulations on that and thank you from the bottom

2626
02:19:00,120 --> 02:19:03,199
Speaker 1: my heart and everyone else's your stroke. You spoke truth

2627
02:19:03,240 --> 02:19:05,880
Speaker 1: to power. You suffered the consequences of it, but you've

2628
02:19:05,920 --> 02:19:09,120
Speaker 1: been vindicated, my friend, and that's got to feel good. Scott.

2629
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Speaker 1: It's been a real pleasure having you on the program

2630
02:19:10,720 --> 02:19:12,400
Speaker 1: today and thanks for all that you have done and

2631
02:19:12,440 --> 02:19:17,959
Speaker 1: continue to do. It is eight oh five right now,

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Speaker 1: fifty five CARSD Talk Station, A very happy Wednesday to you.

2633
02:19:21,680 --> 02:19:23,400
Speaker 1: I've been looking forward to this all morning. I am

2634
02:19:23,400 --> 02:19:25,640
Speaker 1: pleased to welcome to the fifty five Carsee Morning Show.

2635
02:19:25,720 --> 02:19:28,520
Speaker 1: One of the January sixth defendant spent quite some time,

2636
02:19:28,720 --> 02:19:30,520
Speaker 1: quite a bit of time in jail, and he's now

2637
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Speaker 1: the executive director of two different groups we're going to

2638
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Speaker 1: be learning about today, Stand the Gap and the Real

2639
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Speaker 1: Jay six. Shane Jenkins, Welcome to the fifty five KRSEE

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Speaker 1: Morning Show. It's a real pleasure to have you on.

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Speaker 13: Thank you so much. It's honor to be here with

2642
02:19:43,480 --> 02:19:44,080
Speaker 13: you this morning.

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02:19:44,240 --> 02:19:46,200
Speaker 1: Well, and I'm bringing your biography. Man, You've got a

2644
02:19:46,240 --> 02:19:48,400
Speaker 1: hell of a story to tell. You have lived a

2645
02:19:48,480 --> 02:19:52,480
Speaker 1: rather transformative life and one of redemption as well. Just

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02:19:52,520 --> 02:19:54,760
Speaker 1: give my listeners a little bit of background about your

2647
02:19:54,760 --> 02:19:57,960
Speaker 1: early childhood and into the teenage years before you well

2648
02:19:58,280 --> 02:20:01,000
Speaker 1: woke up and discovered a higher power.

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02:20:02,440 --> 02:20:04,920
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, When I was twelve or thirteen years old.

2650
02:20:04,840 --> 02:20:06,760
Speaker 13: I found out I was adopted, and I had a

2651
02:20:07,720 --> 02:20:10,120
Speaker 13: really adverse reaction to that. I had what I would

2652
02:20:10,160 --> 02:20:12,640
Speaker 13: call an identity crisis at a very young age, and

2653
02:20:13,360 --> 02:20:15,880
Speaker 13: I set out to create what I thought the persona

2654
02:20:16,440 --> 02:20:19,320
Speaker 13: of this man that I thought Saint Jenkins was a lie.

2655
02:20:19,360 --> 02:20:22,680
Speaker 13: Honestly and so I said, as an immature young boy,

2656
02:20:23,480 --> 02:20:25,720
Speaker 13: started to create what I thought a man was, which

2657
02:20:25,760 --> 02:20:29,440
Speaker 13: was an angry, violent people, somebody that people feared or

2658
02:20:29,440 --> 02:20:32,960
Speaker 13: respected in the wrong ways, which led me down a

2659
02:20:33,040 --> 02:20:35,960
Speaker 13: very dark path. I turned away from school and sports

2660
02:20:36,000 --> 02:20:38,480
Speaker 13: and my family, and you know, I began to look

2661
02:20:38,520 --> 02:20:42,400
Speaker 13: at my biological family is like I wondered what was

2662
02:20:42,440 --> 02:20:44,400
Speaker 13: so wrong with me that they didn't want me right

2663
02:20:44,720 --> 02:20:47,160
Speaker 13: my own mom could throw me away, and so I

2664
02:20:47,280 --> 02:20:50,440
Speaker 13: was a very wounded young man turned to the streets,

2665
02:20:50,440 --> 02:20:52,560
Speaker 13: you know, and ended up in jail by the age

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02:20:52,600 --> 02:20:56,960
Speaker 13: of sixteen till age nineteen. Watched my friends shoot and

2667
02:20:57,040 --> 02:20:59,480
Speaker 13: kill a guy shoot two other people when I was

2668
02:20:59,520 --> 02:21:03,119
Speaker 13: in the car with them, and so I went down

2669
02:21:03,600 --> 02:21:07,800
Speaker 13: in Texas as a laws of accessory if I had

2670
02:21:07,840 --> 02:21:09,879
Speaker 13: full the trigger, and so I did three years for

2671
02:21:09,920 --> 02:21:12,960
Speaker 13: that got out when I was nineteen. My mom married

2672
02:21:12,959 --> 02:21:16,760
Speaker 13: this violent and alcoholic, drug addic, abusive man, and he

2673
02:21:16,840 --> 02:21:18,080
Speaker 13: went to jail twice.

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02:21:17,720 --> 02:21:18,560
Speaker 5: To beat my mom.

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02:21:19,480 --> 02:21:22,119
Speaker 13: At the age of twenty, I shot shot and killed

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02:21:22,160 --> 02:21:26,200
Speaker 13: him in self defense. And so here I was sixteen,

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02:21:26,240 --> 02:21:28,240
Speaker 13: whilst my friends killed, I got a few to other people,

2678
02:21:28,240 --> 02:21:30,240
Speaker 13: and at the age of twenty killed my stepfather and

2679
02:21:30,280 --> 02:21:33,320
Speaker 13: self defense was acquitted by a grand jury, no charges.

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02:21:33,360 --> 02:21:33,920
Speaker 5: But still I.

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02:21:33,879 --> 02:21:36,520
Speaker 13: Had in my mind, we had the blood of my

2682
02:21:36,840 --> 02:21:40,879
Speaker 13: blood and blood of my stepfather's wife on my hands,

2683
02:21:40,959 --> 02:21:44,720
Speaker 13: right and so and uh, well, and so that let

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02:21:44,760 --> 02:21:46,560
Speaker 13: me down a very dark path. I had this guilt

2685
02:21:46,600 --> 02:21:48,520
Speaker 13: and shame from killing my stepdad, even though it was

2686
02:21:48,520 --> 02:21:50,560
Speaker 13: in self defense, even though it was in defense of

2687
02:21:50,600 --> 02:21:54,119
Speaker 13: my mom and of myself, and it just really led

2688
02:21:54,160 --> 02:21:57,000
Speaker 13: me down a dark path. Three tricks to prison as adults,

2689
02:21:57,440 --> 02:22:01,280
Speaker 13: and after my adopted mom passed away my third trip

2690
02:22:01,320 --> 02:22:04,800
Speaker 13: to adult prison, Jesus Christ met me there in a

2691
02:22:04,840 --> 02:22:09,080
Speaker 13: prison cell, thank god, and then salvaged me from busting

2692
02:22:09,080 --> 02:22:10,240
Speaker 13: the gates. The hill a lot open.

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Speaker 1: So since you, you know, achieved this enlightenment and this

2694
02:22:15,000 --> 02:22:19,080
Speaker 1: awakening through Christianity, obviously changed your life for the better,

2695
02:22:19,120 --> 02:22:21,800
Speaker 1: and you've been running a straight and narrow path ever since,

2696
02:22:21,840 --> 02:22:22,320
Speaker 1: I presume.

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02:22:24,000 --> 02:22:26,040
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, other than the buffer the road that we

2698
02:22:26,120 --> 02:22:27,320
Speaker 4: called Anywuary six.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get to that, and that, of course

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02:22:30,120 --> 02:22:32,680
Speaker 1: is a nice segue to talk about that. So you're

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02:22:32,680 --> 02:22:33,360
Speaker 1: in the Capitol.

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02:22:33,840 --> 02:22:34,000
Speaker 5: Now?

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02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:36,080
Speaker 1: What what led you to be at the Capitol on

2704
02:22:36,200 --> 02:22:38,800
Speaker 1: January sixth, ultimately leading to your arrest and imprisonment?

2705
02:22:39,879 --> 02:22:41,400
Speaker 13: All right, Well, like I had, like I said, I

2706
02:22:41,440 --> 02:22:43,000
Speaker 13: had been in out of trouble a lot of my

2707
02:22:43,120 --> 02:22:48,000
Speaker 13: life criminally and the twenty nineteen I got off roll,

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02:22:48,160 --> 02:22:50,360
Speaker 13: had given my life to Christ in twenty sixteen, and

2709
02:22:50,440 --> 02:22:54,720
Speaker 13: so my politics sprang from my faith. Right, I've started

2710
02:22:54,720 --> 02:22:57,600
Speaker 13: the value life and all these things and gave my

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02:22:57,640 --> 02:22:59,680
Speaker 13: life to Christ again in twenty sixteen. And this started

2712
02:22:59,720 --> 02:23:03,080
Speaker 13: watching the persecuton and President Trump, and so I finally

2713
02:23:03,120 --> 02:23:06,320
Speaker 13: wanted to vote in the twenty twenty election. Voted early

2714
02:23:06,360 --> 02:23:10,760
Speaker 13: in Texas, then watched the election election night, which I

2715
02:23:10,800 --> 02:23:13,080
Speaker 13: had a lot of questions about the twenty and twenty elections.

2716
02:23:13,080 --> 02:23:17,800
Speaker 13: Still do manipulated the election at bess stolen at worst

2717
02:23:17,879 --> 02:23:20,600
Speaker 13: is what I would say, you know. President Trump sent

2718
02:23:20,640 --> 02:23:22,560
Speaker 13: out the tweet said come to d C, joined the

2719
02:23:22,600 --> 02:23:25,840
Speaker 13: Stop of Steel rally will be wild in all caps.

2720
02:23:25,959 --> 02:23:28,480
Speaker 13: And I had never been to d C, never been

2721
02:23:28,520 --> 02:23:32,840
Speaker 13: to a Trump rally. Wanted to go protests and request

2722
02:23:32,879 --> 02:23:34,960
Speaker 13: that they send the electors back to the states so

2723
02:23:35,000 --> 02:23:37,160
Speaker 13: they could do an investigation in these states that were

2724
02:23:37,160 --> 02:23:41,800
Speaker 13: won by very small margins. And so I went and

2725
02:23:41,840 --> 02:23:45,160
Speaker 13: got and got drugged up into the crowd, and so

2726
02:23:45,280 --> 02:23:48,360
Speaker 13: the melee was watching people be assaulted, was assaulted myself

2727
02:23:49,600 --> 02:23:52,160
Speaker 13: found out actually about it. Was murdered inside the Capitol

2728
02:23:52,200 --> 02:23:54,240
Speaker 13: while I was there on the lower West Airace.

2729
02:23:54,000 --> 02:23:54,160
Speaker 4: And.

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02:23:56,040 --> 02:24:00,879
Speaker 1: You know, it was a lot, and ultimately you were charged.

2731
02:24:01,000 --> 02:24:03,680
Speaker 1: What led to the charges I see was eight phlonies

2732
02:24:03,720 --> 02:24:07,080
Speaker 1: and one misdemeanor. And this in connection with your activities

2733
02:24:07,160 --> 02:24:09,560
Speaker 1: in the Capitol on January sixth. What did they say

2734
02:24:09,680 --> 02:24:10,039
Speaker 1: you did?

2735
02:24:11,680 --> 02:24:14,760
Speaker 13: They said, they said that I assaulted police officers, which

2736
02:24:14,800 --> 02:24:18,480
Speaker 13: after watching people be assaulted for no reason, being assaulted

2737
02:24:18,480 --> 02:24:22,440
Speaker 13: myself for taking no action against police officers finding out

2738
02:24:22,440 --> 02:24:25,200
Speaker 13: they had shot and killed somebody inside the capital, on

2739
02:24:25,320 --> 02:24:28,960
Speaker 13: top of feeling like they were stealing an election, covering

2740
02:24:29,080 --> 02:24:31,920
Speaker 13: up the steel of an election, I finally lost my

2741
02:24:31,959 --> 02:24:34,800
Speaker 13: tool and I did. I did throw sticks what you

2742
02:24:34,800 --> 02:24:38,240
Speaker 13: would say like flag sticks, a broken piece of a crutch,

2743
02:24:38,320 --> 02:24:41,360
Speaker 13: a death drawer. I did so those items at fully

2744
02:24:41,560 --> 02:24:47,560
Speaker 13: riot geared, armored, helmeted shield police officers. And I'm accountable

2745
02:24:47,600 --> 02:24:47,879
Speaker 13: for that.

2746
02:24:48,400 --> 02:24:50,960
Speaker 1: I understand, and I appreciate you but willingness to omit

2747
02:24:51,000 --> 02:24:54,840
Speaker 1: your accountability, but you know, you have to observe, and

2748
02:24:54,879 --> 02:24:58,119
Speaker 1: I observe, and I can't forgive violence against police officers,

2749
02:24:58,160 --> 02:24:59,840
Speaker 1: and this is why they end up taking it to

2750
02:25:00,320 --> 02:25:04,640
Speaker 1: But you know, this is really an illustration of selective

2751
02:25:04,680 --> 02:25:07,920
Speaker 1: prosecution because a lot of those BLM and anti file

2752
02:25:08,000 --> 02:25:11,120
Speaker 1: folks were out in the streets throwing bombs, fireworks that

2753
02:25:11,200 --> 02:25:14,920
Speaker 1: exploded at police officers, throwing frozen water bottles and other

2754
02:25:15,040 --> 02:25:17,440
Speaker 1: articles similar to what you threw at police officers. I

2755
02:25:17,480 --> 02:25:20,240
Speaker 1: don't recall a mass round up and prosecution of any

2756
02:25:20,280 --> 02:25:22,000
Speaker 1: of those folks. Do you recall them an each chain?

2757
02:25:23,400 --> 02:25:24,280
Speaker 5: No, not at all.

2758
02:25:24,360 --> 02:25:27,440
Speaker 4: And I will say this Rose another woman died fifteen

2759
02:25:27,480 --> 02:25:30,760
Speaker 4: feet from me on the Lower West sair series Roseanne Boiling.

2760
02:25:31,320 --> 02:25:33,320
Speaker 4: And then not only that, but when they came and

2761
02:25:33,360 --> 02:25:36,160
Speaker 4: raided my house here in Houston, they sent the head

2762
02:25:36,200 --> 02:25:39,400
Speaker 4: of the Joint Terrorism Task Force from the FBI to

2763
02:25:39,480 --> 02:25:42,800
Speaker 4: raid my house along with Houston Squat. They also labeled

2764
02:25:42,840 --> 02:25:47,560
Speaker 4: me a Tier one anti government extremists whenever at worst

2765
02:25:47,600 --> 02:25:50,520
Speaker 4: I threw Dick's, got caught up in the heat of

2766
02:25:50,520 --> 02:25:52,680
Speaker 4: the moment and threw sticks of police, but that they

2767
02:25:52,720 --> 02:25:56,120
Speaker 4: determined that I wanted to overtow the government by those actions.

2768
02:25:55,640 --> 02:25:56,879
Speaker 13: And was a terrorist.

2769
02:25:57,040 --> 02:25:59,800
Speaker 5: Well, India is absolutely ridiculous.

2770
02:25:59,800 --> 02:26:02,600
Speaker 1: And based your your your prior criminal background, which you

2771
02:26:02,600 --> 02:26:05,600
Speaker 1: obviously admitted and admit regularly in your in the context

2772
02:26:05,600 --> 02:26:08,880
Speaker 1: of your your transformation and your enlightenment that was not

2773
02:26:08,959 --> 02:26:10,800
Speaker 1: related to political activity.

2774
02:26:10,400 --> 02:26:13,240
Speaker 5: Was it. No, not at all, not at all.

2775
02:26:13,640 --> 02:26:17,480
Speaker 1: So okay, So you go through the trial and of

2776
02:26:17,480 --> 02:26:19,800
Speaker 1: course I'm sure there was a biased jury there given

2777
02:26:19,840 --> 02:26:23,039
Speaker 1: the location of the venue your You're found guilty at trial,

2778
02:26:23,680 --> 02:26:27,199
Speaker 1: so they sentence you to what was your sentence.

2779
02:26:28,040 --> 02:26:31,440
Speaker 13: Eighty six months, which is seven years?

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Speaker 1: Seven years? Okay. It seems excessive in the light of

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Speaker 1: the modern criminal process we have today, where everyone gets

2782
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Speaker 1: off for almost murder. That's more more time than people

2783
02:26:40,760 --> 02:26:43,920
Speaker 1: that commit murder get And you were in not you

2784
02:26:43,959 --> 02:26:45,920
Speaker 1: were in nine prisons as well as what they call

2785
02:26:46,000 --> 02:26:48,080
Speaker 1: the DC gulog. How much time did you end up

2786
02:26:48,080 --> 02:26:48,840
Speaker 1: spending in prison?

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02:26:50,360 --> 02:26:53,200
Speaker 13: I've spent forty six and a half months or fourteen

2788
02:26:53,320 --> 02:26:55,160
Speaker 13: hundred and eighteen long days.

2789
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Speaker 1: Yeah, not like you were counting Shane in twenty four

2790
02:27:01,240 --> 02:27:04,320
Speaker 1: of which were pre trial. So did they deny you

2791
02:27:04,360 --> 02:27:06,200
Speaker 1: a bond hearing? Did they say no bond?

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02:27:07,560 --> 02:27:07,760
Speaker 15: Oh?

2793
02:27:07,800 --> 02:27:09,279
Speaker 5: Absolutely, they said no bonds.

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02:27:10,320 --> 02:27:10,800
Speaker 1: Now did they.

2795
02:27:10,800 --> 02:27:13,400
Speaker 13: Refer they were afraid that we were going to have

2796
02:27:13,879 --> 02:27:16,880
Speaker 13: another rally and something else was going to happen, And like,

2797
02:27:16,879 --> 02:27:18,680
Speaker 13: like I had never been in trouble for going to

2798
02:27:18,720 --> 02:27:20,920
Speaker 13: political rally and getting out of control like I was

2799
02:27:20,920 --> 02:27:24,280
Speaker 13: Antifa or something. They said, no, you're you're a threat

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02:27:24,280 --> 02:27:25,400
Speaker 13: to society.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And I'm sure they brought into evidence to your

2802
02:27:27,360 --> 02:27:34,039
Speaker 1: criminal background absolutely of course unrelated to the to the

2803
02:27:34,080 --> 02:27:37,040
Speaker 1: protest against the government. All right, So what was it

2804
02:27:37,160 --> 02:27:39,760
Speaker 1: like in what we call the DC gulag Shane?

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02:27:40,959 --> 02:27:43,880
Speaker 13: That was absolutely horrific? I had I had, Like I said,

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02:27:44,120 --> 02:27:46,680
Speaker 13: I've been to many different veils of Texas and prisons

2807
02:27:46,720 --> 02:27:50,080
Speaker 13: and stuff. Never have I been denied visits with my

2808
02:27:50,160 --> 02:27:53,320
Speaker 13: family for two years. Never have I been denied religious

2809
02:27:53,360 --> 02:27:57,000
Speaker 13: services for two years. Never have I been denied haircuts

2810
02:27:57,040 --> 02:28:00,360
Speaker 13: for a year. Never have I been denied your nail

2811
02:28:00,360 --> 02:28:02,560
Speaker 13: clippers to nail clippers for a year, which is all

2812
02:28:02,600 --> 02:28:04,720
Speaker 13: things that they did at the Dcjail, not to mention,

2813
02:28:04,879 --> 02:28:07,959
Speaker 13: sent officers in to assault people, pepper stray people, throw

2814
02:28:08,000 --> 02:28:12,160
Speaker 13: us in solitary confinement for no reason. And so it

2815
02:28:12,240 --> 02:28:15,040
Speaker 13: was a you know, you throw us in this ninety

2816
02:28:15,080 --> 02:28:19,039
Speaker 13: seven percent Biden district with well I call the Rainbow Brigade.

2817
02:28:19,080 --> 02:28:22,800
Speaker 13: You had the black lesbian anybody above a regular officer

2818
02:28:23,280 --> 02:28:27,039
Speaker 13: grade was a black lesbian woman. And they hated Donald

2819
02:28:27,040 --> 02:28:30,000
Speaker 13: Trump and Trump supporters that they would spit on the

2820
02:28:30,040 --> 02:28:32,440
Speaker 13: floor at his hearing his name, and so.

2821
02:28:32,520 --> 02:28:36,039
Speaker 1: Okay, it was that that's where that treatment comes from.

2822
02:28:36,080 --> 02:28:41,160
Speaker 1: I can understand that. Yeah, bias within the prison system. Anyhow,

2823
02:28:41,360 --> 02:28:43,800
Speaker 1: Shane Jenkins, you decided you were going to do something

2824
02:28:43,840 --> 02:28:45,600
Speaker 1: about it and you were going to help out folks

2825
02:28:45,600 --> 02:28:47,400
Speaker 1: in the future while you were in jail. Tell my

2826
02:28:47,480 --> 02:28:51,080
Speaker 1: listeners about your sort of your idea behind the Real

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02:28:51,160 --> 02:28:52,960
Speaker 1: J six and ultimately stand the gap.

2828
02:28:54,280 --> 02:28:57,039
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, we started a nonprofit. Well, we started the

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02:28:57,200 --> 02:28:59,280
Speaker 4: LLC the Real j six first just to kind of

2830
02:28:59,280 --> 02:29:02,680
Speaker 4: put out newslet to sell merchandise T shirts people that

2831
02:29:02,720 --> 02:29:05,000
Speaker 4: want to support us, and to get guys' stories out.

2832
02:29:06,120 --> 02:29:08,360
Speaker 13: Then as the kind of evolved, we realized that we

2833
02:29:08,360 --> 02:29:10,520
Speaker 13: were paying taxes on that money, so we started the

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02:29:10,600 --> 02:29:13,280
Speaker 13: nonprofit because we also wanted to do justice reform in

2835
02:29:13,280 --> 02:29:15,640
Speaker 13: the future. In the meantime, we wanted to help January

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02:29:15,640 --> 02:29:16,119
Speaker 13: six ers.

2837
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Speaker 4: So we still sell merchandise on the Real Day six.

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Speaker 13: But we are a nonprofit at standindegap dot Foundation and

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02:29:24,600 --> 02:29:26,720
Speaker 13: we are currently helping January sixth.

2840
02:29:26,480 --> 02:29:27,640
Speaker 5: Guys right now.

2841
02:29:27,680 --> 02:29:30,720
Speaker 13: We're working on credit repair and for health care because

2842
02:29:31,440 --> 02:29:33,520
Speaker 13: you know, we were kidnapped by the FBI, so everybody's

2843
02:29:33,560 --> 02:29:35,560
Speaker 13: credit was shot all.

2844
02:29:35,080 --> 02:29:38,360
Speaker 1: To nothing, bad, all bad.

2845
02:29:38,520 --> 02:29:42,080
Speaker 13: And then health care in the prison system is terrific,

2846
02:29:42,200 --> 02:29:44,000
Speaker 13: So we want to be able to fund guys going

2847
02:29:44,000 --> 02:29:46,440
Speaker 13: to the doctors, going to the dentists. And then we're

2848
02:29:46,480 --> 02:29:48,920
Speaker 13: also working on a thing called Mission Memory Maker, where

2849
02:29:48,920 --> 02:29:52,080
Speaker 13: we're fully funding a three to five day vacation with

2850
02:29:52,200 --> 02:29:55,600
Speaker 13: the January sixth defendant and their family and children, so

2851
02:29:55,959 --> 02:29:58,400
Speaker 13: they can get away for three to five days, no

2852
02:29:58,480 --> 02:30:03,359
Speaker 13: expense to them, paid for airfare, resort, paid for meals, everything.

2853
02:30:04,280 --> 02:30:06,600
Speaker 13: Because you know, the pressure is on the man right

2854
02:30:06,640 --> 02:30:08,440
Speaker 13: now for the most at I say man, and there's

2855
02:30:08,480 --> 02:30:10,280
Speaker 13: women too, but for the most part, the men to

2856
02:30:10,320 --> 02:30:12,680
Speaker 13: get back to work because the wife has been out

2857
02:30:12,720 --> 02:30:16,480
Speaker 13: there typically raising the children on a single income where

2858
02:30:16,480 --> 02:30:18,960
Speaker 13: it was typically two incomes for the last four years.

2859
02:30:19,280 --> 02:30:21,920
Speaker 13: So the pressure is on the man to get back

2860
02:30:21,959 --> 02:30:25,039
Speaker 13: to work typically. So we want to ease that burden

2861
02:30:25,240 --> 02:30:28,280
Speaker 13: and that stress and just pay for their vacation so

2862
02:30:28,320 --> 02:30:31,640
Speaker 13: they can get away and just have no worries and

2863
02:30:31,680 --> 02:30:34,120
Speaker 13: love on each other and just get back to some

2864
02:30:34,600 --> 02:30:36,120
Speaker 13: type of normalcy in their lives.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's a nice thing for you to do. You've

2866
02:30:38,000 --> 02:30:39,720
Speaker 1: been through the ring of yourself and you know what

2867
02:30:39,760 --> 02:30:41,680
Speaker 1: it's all about. So it's nice that you'd step up

2868
02:30:41,680 --> 02:30:43,800
Speaker 1: to the plate for the other Jay six fos. You know,

2869
02:30:44,520 --> 02:30:46,480
Speaker 1: I see other component of this is and I think

2870
02:30:46,480 --> 02:30:50,480
Speaker 1: about Ashley Babbitt, that that was not a justifiable use

2871
02:30:50,480 --> 02:30:53,240
Speaker 1: of deadly force under any circumstances. You know, I'm a lawyer.

2872
02:30:53,280 --> 02:30:54,760
Speaker 1: I know the law when it comes to use of

2873
02:30:54,800 --> 02:30:59,439
Speaker 1: deadly force. She did not represent an eminent threat to anyone.

2874
02:31:00,240 --> 02:31:03,080
Speaker 1: She was snaking through a window that had been broken out,

2875
02:31:03,120 --> 02:31:05,200
Speaker 1: and they guned her down. And I think about that,

2876
02:31:05,280 --> 02:31:07,280
Speaker 1: and it's like, how that that person has never been

2877
02:31:07,320 --> 02:31:09,760
Speaker 1: held accountable. That person has never been hauled into the

2878
02:31:10,520 --> 02:31:12,920
Speaker 1: view of social media, the person that shot her and

2879
02:31:13,400 --> 02:31:16,800
Speaker 1: criticized and condemned for killing really what amounted to a

2880
02:31:16,920 --> 02:31:19,160
Speaker 1: totally innocent, unarmed woman.

2881
02:31:20,800 --> 02:31:24,600
Speaker 13: No absolutely and somebody and shooting my stepdad and self defense.

2882
02:31:24,600 --> 02:31:27,080
Speaker 13: I'm very familiar with self dist that self defense of

2883
02:31:27,120 --> 02:31:30,279
Speaker 13: the third third party, and so she had no weapons

2884
02:31:30,320 --> 02:31:33,120
Speaker 13: in her hand. There was nobody vulnerable and en danger

2885
02:31:33,240 --> 02:31:36,560
Speaker 13: right there. It was an ambush. She ambushed her coming

2886
02:31:36,600 --> 02:31:39,800
Speaker 13: through that window of a veteran of our Air force

2887
02:31:40,120 --> 02:31:44,800
Speaker 13: wounded in combat. It's just a horrible, horrible It is.

2888
02:31:46,840 --> 02:31:48,840
Speaker 1: It is, And that's kind of why I emphasized the

2889
02:31:48,879 --> 02:31:50,680
Speaker 1: Ashley Babbitt story because I think it's one of the

2890
02:31:50,680 --> 02:31:53,280
Speaker 1: most egregious examples of, you know, the treatment of people there,

2891
02:31:53,600 --> 02:31:56,240
Speaker 1: but also because you've been through down that road based

2892
02:31:56,280 --> 02:31:58,480
Speaker 1: on your history and your life. As you just reminded folks,

2893
02:31:58,600 --> 02:32:00,520
Speaker 1: you had to kill your stepfather because the threat that

2894
02:32:00,560 --> 02:32:02,560
Speaker 1: he opposed to you, So you know the law too

2895
02:32:02,560 --> 02:32:05,320
Speaker 1: in that realm, and of course the law allowed you

2896
02:32:05,360 --> 02:32:07,840
Speaker 1: to escape having to go to prison for that, and

2897
02:32:07,920 --> 02:32:10,560
Speaker 1: I hate to live with the reality of I fully

2898
02:32:10,560 --> 02:32:12,760
Speaker 1: appreciate where you're coming from in terms of the stress

2899
02:32:12,760 --> 02:32:15,320
Speaker 1: that that has left you with. Emotionally, no one would

2900
02:32:15,320 --> 02:32:17,040
Speaker 1: ever want to take the life of another human being

2901
02:32:17,040 --> 02:32:19,320
Speaker 1: and could ever forget it after it's done. But that's

2902
02:32:20,520 --> 02:32:22,520
Speaker 1: the agree to sign in the law enforcement. But the

2903
02:32:22,560 --> 02:32:26,480
Speaker 1: treatment of people that just engaged in innocuous behavior like

2904
02:32:26,560 --> 02:32:29,000
Speaker 1: just strolling through the capital, that the idea that they

2905
02:32:29,000 --> 02:32:31,800
Speaker 1: were rounded up and subject to the judicial system is

2906
02:32:31,879 --> 02:32:35,440
Speaker 1: really mind boggling to me, particularly given the comparison to

2907
02:32:35,560 --> 02:32:38,200
Speaker 1: how the left wing protesters were treated and not bothered

2908
02:32:38,200 --> 02:32:39,520
Speaker 1: at all in terms of law enforcement.

2909
02:32:40,840 --> 02:32:43,480
Speaker 13: Well, yeaes, sir, well when to see Tom Tillis yesterday,

2910
02:32:43,600 --> 02:32:46,840
Speaker 13: Senator Tom till Is saying that people that trespass on

2911
02:32:46,920 --> 02:32:50,959
Speaker 13: Capitol grounds deserved between thirty days and three years in

2912
02:32:51,040 --> 02:32:55,600
Speaker 13: prison is absolutely frustrating and ridiculous, especially when you had

2913
02:32:55,640 --> 02:33:00,119
Speaker 13: groups of massed individuals taking down ski fencing, removing by

2914
02:33:00,120 --> 02:33:04,080
Speaker 13: cracks next to the DC police, Capitol Police watching them,

2915
02:33:04,120 --> 02:33:06,640
Speaker 13: giving them the thumbs up and allowing them to remove

2916
02:33:06,720 --> 02:33:10,480
Speaker 13: those barriers and those trespassing signs, which any other day

2917
02:33:10,560 --> 02:33:14,360
Speaker 13: other than January sixth would not be considered trespassing to

2918
02:33:14,400 --> 02:33:17,800
Speaker 13: be on Capitol grounds. But he's calling for people to

2919
02:33:17,840 --> 02:33:20,160
Speaker 13: be in jail and all. It's just so frustrating. Then

2920
02:33:20,200 --> 02:33:24,439
Speaker 13: he doesn't want to confirm Ed Martin as the DC attorney,

2921
02:33:24,480 --> 02:33:26,359
Speaker 13: and it's just super super frustrating.

2922
02:33:26,680 --> 02:33:30,840
Speaker 1: I imagine it's like it's like plating assault or vinegar

2923
02:33:30,879 --> 02:33:34,760
Speaker 1: in your your your current lasting wound. Shane Jenkins the

2924
02:33:34,840 --> 02:33:39,600
Speaker 1: real J six dot com is where you find Shane

2925
02:33:39,640 --> 02:33:42,360
Speaker 1: in his organization there, And what's the website for the

2926
02:33:42,400 --> 02:33:42,840
Speaker 1: Stand in.

2927
02:33:42,800 --> 02:33:46,439
Speaker 13: The Gap Stand in the Gap dot Foundation?

2928
02:33:46,840 --> 02:33:50,120
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I saw that. I'm used to seeing a

2929
02:33:50,160 --> 02:33:52,119
Speaker 1: dot com or a dot org or a dot gov

2930
02:33:52,240 --> 02:33:54,080
Speaker 1: or something. I never seen a dot foundation, but there

2931
02:33:54,080 --> 02:33:57,480
Speaker 1: you have it, stand in the gap dot Foundation, and

2932
02:33:57,600 --> 02:34:00,760
Speaker 1: my listeners really appreciate where you're co and from, Shane,

2933
02:34:00,800 --> 02:34:03,360
Speaker 1: and as do I Sorry you got run through the ringer,

2934
02:34:03,440 --> 02:34:05,880
Speaker 1: but you know, it's good that you're out there explaining

2935
02:34:06,440 --> 02:34:09,000
Speaker 1: the injustice that was involved in what they call the

2936
02:34:09,200 --> 02:34:13,200
Speaker 1: justice that was served there and your voice is fully appreciated.

2937
02:34:13,240 --> 02:34:15,600
Speaker 1: And I know the other JA sixers who are similarly

2938
02:34:15,640 --> 02:34:17,840
Speaker 1: treated certainly appreciate what you're doing in your efforts on

2939
02:34:17,879 --> 02:34:20,560
Speaker 1: their behalf. Shane Jenkins, thank you for spending time with

2940
02:34:20,600 --> 02:34:22,960
Speaker 1: my listeners of me today. It's been very enlightening. And

2941
02:34:23,000 --> 02:34:26,800
Speaker 1: I'll have my executive producer put your organization's links on

2942
02:34:26,840 --> 02:34:29,640
Speaker 1: my blog page at fifty five KRC dot com. So

2943
02:34:29,720 --> 02:34:31,920
Speaker 1: please have this conversation and welcome to the fifty five

2944
02:34:32,000 --> 02:34:37,279
Speaker 1: CARC Morning Show. Doctor Stanley ka Ridgeley. He's a clinical

2945
02:34:37,280 --> 02:34:39,960
Speaker 1: full Professor of Strategic Management at Drectional University, holds a

2946
02:34:40,000 --> 02:34:43,880
Speaker 1: doctor and master's in International International Relations and Security from

2947
02:34:43,959 --> 02:34:47,920
Speaker 1: Duke University and an International MBA from Temple You Russian

2948
02:34:48,000 --> 02:34:51,680
Speaker 1: language linguist and former military intelligence officer and author of

2949
02:34:51,680 --> 02:34:55,480
Speaker 1: a book we're talking about today, d EI exposed how

2950
02:34:55,520 --> 02:34:58,480
Speaker 1: the biggest con of the century almost toppled higher education.

2951
02:34:59,120 --> 02:35:01,360
Speaker 1: Doctor Ridgeley from the fifty five carsy morning, So it's

2952
02:35:01,360 --> 02:35:02,800
Speaker 1: a real pleasure to have you on this morning.

2953
02:35:03,480 --> 02:35:06,040
Speaker 4: Well, hey, the pleasure is all mine, Brian, I appreciate it.

2954
02:35:06,080 --> 02:35:07,720
Speaker 4: Got a cup of job on my hand. I'm ready

2955
02:35:07,760 --> 02:35:08,720
Speaker 4: to talk Todi.

2956
02:35:08,879 --> 02:35:11,080
Speaker 1: All right, we're both java equipped. Good thing to have

2957
02:35:11,160 --> 02:35:14,000
Speaker 1: at this time of morning. Now, you know, part of

2958
02:35:14,040 --> 02:35:16,640
Speaker 1: me wants to think that this DEI And just by

2959
02:35:16,680 --> 02:35:18,560
Speaker 1: way of context, you know how old I am. I'm

2960
02:35:18,600 --> 02:35:21,840
Speaker 1: fifty nine years old. So this didn't exist up until

2961
02:35:22,040 --> 02:35:25,199
Speaker 1: almost you know, historically recently, and then all of a sudden,

2962
02:35:25,720 --> 02:35:31,080
Speaker 1: everybody's created a DEI department. College, universities, corporations have had

2963
02:35:31,080 --> 02:35:34,000
Speaker 1: this shoved down their throats. And part of me wants

2964
02:35:34,000 --> 02:35:36,160
Speaker 1: to conclude, and maybe you can answer the question for me.

2965
02:35:36,640 --> 02:35:38,720
Speaker 1: This is made of This is just like a whole

2966
02:35:38,760 --> 02:35:42,480
Speaker 1: cloth creation designed to provide jobs for people who went

2967
02:35:42,520 --> 02:35:46,680
Speaker 1: to college and got worthless degrees in social justice. I mean.

2968
02:35:48,680 --> 02:35:49,119
Speaker 5: Is that about?

2969
02:35:50,080 --> 02:35:50,280
Speaker 11: You know?

2970
02:35:50,320 --> 02:35:53,120
Speaker 4: I tell you what. That pretty much strips away the

2971
02:35:53,160 --> 02:35:57,600
Speaker 4: facade of DEI. These are really skillless individuals who managed

2972
02:35:57,600 --> 02:36:00,560
Speaker 4: to get onto the university campus and knows how they

2973
02:36:00,560 --> 02:36:02,080
Speaker 4: managed to do that, but they did it through the

2974
02:36:02,080 --> 02:36:05,320
Speaker 4: big con that I talk about in DEI exposed. These

2975
02:36:05,360 --> 02:36:08,760
Speaker 4: are folks with indeed workless degrees and their work that

2976
02:36:08,760 --> 02:36:11,160
Speaker 4: they like to say they're doing the work of justice

2977
02:36:11,200 --> 02:36:14,240
Speaker 4: and that kind of thing. It's really basically just coercing

2978
02:36:14,280 --> 02:36:17,879
Speaker 4: people to believe a kind of a make believe world

2979
02:36:18,240 --> 02:36:22,080
Speaker 4: of the United States as a racist institution, you know,

2980
02:36:22,080 --> 02:36:25,280
Speaker 4: a racist country, and the colleges and universities are somehow

2981
02:36:26,040 --> 02:36:29,080
Speaker 4: riven with white supremacy culture. It's a fraud, it's uh,

2982
02:36:29,480 --> 02:36:32,160
Speaker 4: and it's a real injustice to our students to have

2983
02:36:32,240 --> 02:36:36,000
Speaker 4: admitted these people onto the campuses to perpetuate this nonsense.

2984
02:36:36,360 --> 02:36:38,879
Speaker 1: Well, and one of the beautiful things about the Trump administration.

2985
02:36:39,000 --> 02:36:41,960
Speaker 1: Say what you might or will about Donald Trump's administration,

2986
02:36:42,080 --> 02:36:45,080
Speaker 1: but the Department of Government Efficiency has revealed and shown

2987
02:36:45,120 --> 02:36:47,840
Speaker 1: to the American people how many billions of dollars are

2988
02:36:47,840 --> 02:36:52,439
Speaker 1: being shoved into college universities largely in support of DEI initiatives,

2989
02:36:52,680 --> 02:36:55,039
Speaker 1: as the American tax payer money used to indoctor and

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02:36:55,040 --> 02:36:56,119
Speaker 1: need college students.

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02:36:57,440 --> 02:37:01,280
Speaker 4: Well, that's why the left is so is screaming because

2992
02:37:01,280 --> 02:37:04,480
Speaker 4: they're being pulled off the teet of government support for

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02:37:04,520 --> 02:37:06,959
Speaker 4: these naxises that they have now have to deal with

2994
02:37:07,000 --> 02:37:09,720
Speaker 4: accountability and transparency, the kinds of thing that you and

2995
02:37:09,760 --> 02:37:11,959
Speaker 4: I have to deal with all the time with respect

2996
02:37:12,040 --> 02:37:15,400
Speaker 4: to the work. These folks want no strings attached money

2997
02:37:15,480 --> 02:37:18,520
Speaker 4: to perpetuate their ideology. They're being called out, and they're

2998
02:37:18,520 --> 02:37:21,439
Speaker 4: being called out in a way that that universities understand.

2999
02:37:21,840 --> 02:37:24,760
Speaker 4: You know, funding and bad publicity. These are the only

3000
02:37:24,879 --> 02:37:27,680
Speaker 4: two things that can get a university to reform itself.

3001
02:37:27,840 --> 02:37:31,480
Speaker 4: In university and higher education, they've been lacking oversight for

3002
02:37:31,640 --> 02:37:34,760
Speaker 4: far too long. For instance, Harvard. You know, you've got Harvard,

3003
02:37:34,760 --> 02:37:37,600
Speaker 4: which is you know, they've been calling for, uh, this

3004
02:37:37,879 --> 02:37:41,400
Speaker 4: noble opposition to the Trump administration. But who runs Harvard? Well,

3005
02:37:41,400 --> 02:37:44,360
Speaker 4: it's the billionaire Penny Pritsker at the head of the

3006
02:37:44,360 --> 02:37:49,879
Speaker 4: Harvard Corporation with her fellow billionaire Biddy Madison and Betty Martin.

3007
02:37:49,920 --> 02:37:53,280
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, and and these are the these are the oligarchs,

3008
02:37:53,280 --> 02:37:55,960
Speaker 4: the billionaire oligarchs that the left is always talking about,

3009
02:37:56,200 --> 02:37:58,800
Speaker 4: and they're in control of Harvard. And we don't we

3010
02:37:58,840 --> 02:38:01,920
Speaker 4: don't ever hear that always see is the President Garber

3011
02:38:02,240 --> 02:38:04,920
Speaker 4: standing up for academic freedom and freedom of speech. This

3012
02:38:05,440 --> 02:38:07,120
Speaker 4: is absurd, It's just a fraud.

3013
02:38:07,320 --> 02:38:10,680
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's dive into motive. Now I can see.

3014
02:38:10,760 --> 02:38:12,959
Speaker 1: I mean, the useful idiots in the world, they don't

3015
02:38:12,959 --> 02:38:15,520
Speaker 1: do any thoughtful, logical, reasonable analysis of this. They don't

3016
02:38:15,600 --> 02:38:18,360
Speaker 1: understand how damaging to the American economy the removal of

3017
02:38:18,480 --> 02:38:21,279
Speaker 1: meritocracy is going to be. But if you're a billionaire,

3018
02:38:21,280 --> 02:38:24,840
Speaker 1: billionaire like Pritzker, what what's your what interest in this

3019
02:38:24,920 --> 02:38:27,280
Speaker 1: do you have? Why would you be pushing this and

3020
02:38:27,360 --> 02:38:29,840
Speaker 1: pressing this into say Harvard University?

3021
02:38:31,520 --> 02:38:33,560
Speaker 4: Well, I think is this the fact of that that

3022
02:38:34,080 --> 02:38:36,160
Speaker 4: it's a money machine when you look at it is

3023
02:38:36,160 --> 02:38:39,480
Speaker 4: basically drafting taking taxpayer money. You've got a fifty three

3024
02:38:39,560 --> 02:38:43,200
Speaker 4: billion dollar untaxed endowment. Aside from the one point one

3025
02:38:43,200 --> 02:38:46,600
Speaker 4: point seven percent one point four percent of a tax,

3026
02:38:46,640 --> 02:38:49,680
Speaker 4: which is the pittance, You've got this nine billion dollars

3027
02:38:49,720 --> 02:38:53,760
Speaker 4: of investment slash grant money from the United States government

3028
02:38:53,840 --> 02:38:57,160
Speaker 4: that is no strings attached, no oversight. And you've got

3029
02:38:57,240 --> 02:39:00,560
Speaker 4: this this hubrist that attaches to the heart her name.

3030
02:39:00,920 --> 02:39:03,320
Speaker 4: And so you've got these billionaires that are there's there's

3031
02:39:03,360 --> 02:39:06,160
Speaker 4: thirteen members of the Harvard Corporation. Pritzker is the head

3032
02:39:06,160 --> 02:39:09,879
Speaker 4: of this corporation, and they're they're basically by the way,

3033
02:39:09,920 --> 02:39:13,599
Speaker 4: her brother is JB. Boss Pritzker, the governor of Illinois.

3034
02:39:14,480 --> 02:39:16,760
Speaker 4: There's nothing that comes to they has said they got

3035
02:39:16,800 --> 02:39:21,360
Speaker 4: their money through inheritance. They're the Hyatt Hotel uh errors

3036
02:39:21,400 --> 02:39:25,080
Speaker 4: of that fortune and so so I can't really speak

3037
02:39:25,080 --> 02:39:28,440
Speaker 4: to her motivation except to the idea of power and

3038
02:39:28,720 --> 02:39:33,440
Speaker 4: the ability through their money to uh actuate their ideology.

3039
02:39:34,200 --> 02:39:36,680
Speaker 4: And I'm going back to the whole idea of DEI.

3040
02:39:36,760 --> 02:39:39,000
Speaker 4: It's not what people think it is. And this has

3041
02:39:39,040 --> 02:39:41,920
Speaker 4: been the major strength of DEI. It's not creating a

3042
02:39:42,000 --> 02:39:46,279
Speaker 4: level playing field for everyone. It's not catering to marginalized populations,

3043
02:39:46,320 --> 02:39:49,680
Speaker 4: giving everyone a hand, a helping hand. It's not just

3044
02:39:49,760 --> 02:39:52,360
Speaker 4: teaching about race and teaching about slavery. No, it's none

3045
02:39:52,360 --> 02:39:54,200
Speaker 4: of those things. That those things happen, it's merely as

3046
02:39:54,200 --> 02:39:59,119
Speaker 4: a byproduct. It is the acceptance and propounding of a noxious,

3047
02:39:59,200 --> 02:40:03,560
Speaker 4: toxic doctor of racialism where everyone is slotted into one

3048
02:40:03,560 --> 02:40:07,920
Speaker 4: of two categories, either villain or victim, either you know, white,

3049
02:40:08,000 --> 02:40:11,959
Speaker 4: non white, oppressor or oppressed, and nothing else. In one's

3050
02:40:12,120 --> 02:40:17,080
Speaker 4: history matters. Not your education, not your attitude, not your parents,

3051
02:40:16,520 --> 02:40:20,280
Speaker 4: you know, not your way of Nothing matters except race.

3052
02:40:20,400 --> 02:40:23,480
Speaker 4: And that is the dirty secret of DEI that is

3053
02:40:23,520 --> 02:40:24,519
Speaker 4: now being exposed.

3054
02:40:24,800 --> 02:40:29,120
Speaker 1: But to accomplish what because that is divisive and ruinous

3055
02:40:29,160 --> 02:40:32,840
Speaker 1: for society. It ruins the cohesiveness of the nation. I mean,

3056
02:40:32,879 --> 02:40:34,920
Speaker 1: I'm a little ill libertarian kind of guy. Live and

3057
02:40:35,000 --> 02:40:37,080
Speaker 1: let live. I trust you with your zipper and your wallet.

3058
02:40:37,080 --> 02:40:39,120
Speaker 1: I don't want anything from you. I'll let you do

3059
02:40:39,160 --> 02:40:40,560
Speaker 1: what you want to live your life as long as

3060
02:40:40,600 --> 02:40:43,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't intrude into my decision making, to my choices.

3061
02:40:43,400 --> 02:40:45,640
Speaker 1: We live under the banner of freedom. At least we

3062
02:40:45,760 --> 02:40:48,439
Speaker 1: used to, you know, the flag would stand for this,

3063
02:40:48,440 --> 02:40:51,760
Speaker 1: this this freedom concept where yes, in the United States

3064
02:40:51,800 --> 02:40:54,640
Speaker 1: you can be yourself and choose your own pursuits. But

3065
02:40:54,800 --> 02:40:58,480
Speaker 1: this is ruinous to that national cohesion. The flag is

3066
02:40:58,520 --> 02:41:00,959
Speaker 1: then viewed as a symbol of races because of you know,

3067
02:41:01,120 --> 02:41:04,360
Speaker 1: historic racism and this whole concept the were just evil

3068
02:41:04,400 --> 02:41:07,720
Speaker 1: white supremacists. I mean, this is leading to the end

3069
02:41:07,800 --> 02:41:10,520
Speaker 1: of our country. And maybe is that the nefarious element

3070
02:41:10,560 --> 02:41:12,720
Speaker 1: that's going on behind all this. They don't want the

3071
02:41:12,800 --> 02:41:15,480
Speaker 1: United States to continue its amazing success.

3072
02:41:17,160 --> 02:41:19,080
Speaker 4: I think you're right, You've hit the nail on the

3073
02:41:19,080 --> 02:41:21,920
Speaker 4: head of the idea. It's a collectivist doctrum, the idea

3074
02:41:21,959 --> 02:41:25,600
Speaker 4: that your membership in a particular identity group supersedes and

3075
02:41:25,720 --> 02:41:28,800
Speaker 4: is far more important than your identity as an individual

3076
02:41:28,840 --> 02:41:32,200
Speaker 4: with individual preferences, dreams, et cetera, et cetera. And I

3077
02:41:32,200 --> 02:41:36,520
Speaker 4: think this is the latest social justice canard that has

3078
02:41:37,000 --> 02:41:40,840
Speaker 4: basically achieved kind of a regnancy on the college campuses.

3079
02:41:41,200 --> 02:41:44,440
Speaker 4: And it's it's just the old wine, old collectivist wine

3080
02:41:44,520 --> 02:41:47,560
Speaker 4: in a new bottle. It's Marxism if you really take

3081
02:41:47,600 --> 02:41:52,040
Speaker 4: it down to it. The idea of Marxist class consciousness

3082
02:41:52,040 --> 02:41:56,279
Speaker 4: has been replaced with race consciousness, and the framework is

3083
02:41:56,520 --> 02:42:00,400
Speaker 4: virtually unchanged. And so this is the idea that it's

3084
02:42:00,440 --> 02:42:03,000
Speaker 4: somehow some sort of racial equity type of things is

3085
02:42:03,120 --> 02:42:07,160
Speaker 4: really full. It's the old social justice crowd, collectivist crowd

3086
02:42:08,000 --> 02:42:12,039
Speaker 4: trying to supersede and trying to argue and coerce people

3087
02:42:12,120 --> 02:42:16,600
Speaker 4: into beleading this notion of collectivism that you're identity in

3088
02:42:16,680 --> 02:42:19,360
Speaker 4: a group is far more important than your identity as

3089
02:42:19,400 --> 02:42:20,160
Speaker 4: an individual.

3090
02:42:20,840 --> 02:42:22,840
Speaker 1: Well, and you're certainly not entitled to your own opinion.

3091
02:42:23,160 --> 02:42:25,440
Speaker 1: One of the reasons I loved college and law school

3092
02:42:25,480 --> 02:42:28,800
Speaker 1: so much, doctor is you know, the Socratic method, the

3093
02:42:28,800 --> 02:42:31,360
Speaker 1: idea you could have an exchange of ideas. There was this,

3094
02:42:31,640 --> 02:42:35,040
Speaker 1: you know, exchange of thoughts and concepts, and you weren't

3095
02:42:35,080 --> 02:42:37,760
Speaker 1: told that there was one particular point of view that

3096
02:42:37,840 --> 02:42:40,920
Speaker 1: you must follow or be ostracized or get an F

3097
02:42:41,000 --> 02:42:44,240
Speaker 1: on your paper. The world's obviously different place since then,

3098
02:42:44,280 --> 02:42:46,400
Speaker 1: and I think this is reflected in the in the

3099
02:42:46,480 --> 02:42:50,120
Speaker 1: media's shift to a far left sort of uniformed lockstep

3100
02:42:50,680 --> 02:42:54,560
Speaker 1: left wing reporting perception because they're victims of this one

3101
02:42:54,640 --> 02:42:57,960
Speaker 1: sided view in college education and we've lost the media

3102
02:42:58,000 --> 02:43:01,400
Speaker 1: to this. I mean, is this something that can be undone?

3103
02:43:01,480 --> 02:43:04,520
Speaker 1: Can this bell be unwrong or is it too late

3104
02:43:04,600 --> 02:43:08,120
Speaker 1: because colleges are filled with professors who have a uniform

3105
02:43:08,200 --> 02:43:11,640
Speaker 1: ideology anymore. You can't be a conservative and teach college

3106
02:43:11,760 --> 02:43:12,680
Speaker 1: of courses anymore.

3107
02:43:13,600 --> 02:43:16,080
Speaker 4: Well, you certainly can't be a conservative and be you know,

3108
02:43:16,240 --> 02:43:20,879
Speaker 4: have unlimited success. But the fact is that to reform

3109
02:43:20,920 --> 02:43:23,480
Speaker 4: and higher educations will be very tough because they have

3110
02:43:23,600 --> 02:43:27,920
Speaker 4: had almost they succumb to ideological capture a long time ago.

3111
02:43:27,959 --> 02:43:30,279
Speaker 4: But I do think the Trump administration Department of Education

3112
02:43:30,400 --> 02:43:32,879
Speaker 4: is doing the right thing. The only the only thing

3113
02:43:32,920 --> 02:43:37,959
Speaker 4: that universities understand is money and bad publicity. That's that's

3114
02:43:38,000 --> 02:43:40,959
Speaker 4: a lot. That's one thing that we can count on

3115
02:43:41,120 --> 02:43:45,560
Speaker 4: being true. So the Department of Education is utilizing funding

3116
02:43:45,640 --> 02:43:48,480
Speaker 4: is leverage against the universities, and yes, it is against

3117
02:43:48,520 --> 02:43:53,280
Speaker 4: the universities to become serious institutions again, become places where

3118
02:43:53,320 --> 02:43:56,119
Speaker 4: that marketplace of ideas is a reality, where those different

3119
02:43:56,160 --> 02:44:01,039
Speaker 4: ideas can contend in an open debate, rather than having

3120
02:44:01,080 --> 02:44:04,000
Speaker 4: certain views suppressed, as we find right now. And that

3121
02:44:04,160 --> 02:44:06,280
Speaker 4: is indeed the case. And I detail this, and I

3122
02:44:06,360 --> 02:44:10,400
Speaker 4: chronicled this, and DEI exposed, do I exposed? DEI is

3123
02:44:10,440 --> 02:44:14,400
Speaker 4: simply this latest bid for in perimature over the universities.

3124
02:44:14,720 --> 02:44:17,480
Speaker 4: And they found it very useful because it sounds good,

3125
02:44:17,560 --> 02:44:22,760
Speaker 4: doesn't it. Diversity, equity and inclusion, just like cults like

3126
02:44:22,840 --> 02:44:27,119
Speaker 4: the Moonies utilize the terms peace and unity, that's their motto,

3127
02:44:27,360 --> 02:44:30,480
Speaker 4: and the inclusion and belonging. It sounds very cult like well,

3128
02:44:30,520 --> 02:44:31,520
Speaker 4: and that's because it is.

3129
02:44:32,040 --> 02:44:34,480
Speaker 1: Well. Anytime I see the word equity anymore, I get

3130
02:44:34,920 --> 02:44:41,000
Speaker 1: I get very very concerned and worried. And the idea

3131
02:44:41,040 --> 02:44:44,320
Speaker 1: that I feel concerned because I have, you know, lots

3132
02:44:44,320 --> 02:44:47,080
Speaker 1: of Black friends and a lot of Jewish friends, and

3133
02:44:47,360 --> 02:44:50,680
Speaker 1: you point out and DEI exposed that this is this

3134
02:44:50,879 --> 02:44:55,320
Speaker 1: concept of DEI is actually fueled anti Semitism. And I

3135
02:44:55,360 --> 02:44:57,760
Speaker 1: want to get I want to get your your explanation

3136
02:44:57,879 --> 02:45:01,560
Speaker 1: for that, but also the removal of meritocracy. There are many,

3137
02:45:01,640 --> 02:45:05,199
Speaker 1: many people of color that have reached lofty positions through

3138
02:45:05,400 --> 02:45:08,600
Speaker 1: their merit, through their experience and their knowledge of any

3139
02:45:08,640 --> 02:45:12,560
Speaker 1: given industry or position, they earned it. And this idea

3140
02:45:12,600 --> 02:45:14,360
Speaker 1: that you're going to just fill in a check mark

3141
02:45:14,400 --> 02:45:16,720
Speaker 1: that oh black check We're going to hire that person

3142
02:45:16,800 --> 02:45:19,440
Speaker 1: merely because they're the right color, even though there are

3143
02:45:19,440 --> 02:45:23,720
Speaker 1: more qualified Asians or pick a color, skin or nationality.

3144
02:45:24,320 --> 02:45:26,520
Speaker 1: We're not going to hire those people. We're going to

3145
02:45:26,600 --> 02:45:29,720
Speaker 1: put this person in because they meet this equity checkbox

3146
02:45:29,840 --> 02:45:33,920
Speaker 1: or diversity checkbox. That waters down and negates those people

3147
02:45:33,920 --> 02:45:37,120
Speaker 1: who've actually earned those positions, because people have this perception like, wow,

3148
02:45:37,160 --> 02:45:39,640
Speaker 1: you're a diversity higher. I know you've heard that term before.

3149
02:45:41,240 --> 02:45:41,800
Speaker 5: Oh well yeah.

3150
02:45:42,040 --> 02:45:44,320
Speaker 4: And I think it's unfortunate because I deal with and

3151
02:45:44,600 --> 02:45:47,640
Speaker 4: when students, I deal with a lot of intelligent, incredibly

3152
02:45:47,800 --> 02:45:51,960
Speaker 4: talented black students. You know, Indian students, Russian students, students

3153
02:45:51,959 --> 02:45:55,320
Speaker 4: of all racist creets and colors, as they say, and

3154
02:45:55,360 --> 02:45:57,879
Speaker 4: there's no stigma attached to that. I mean, and who

3155
02:45:57,920 --> 02:46:00,720
Speaker 4: wants the stigma of the question mark behind your name?

3156
02:46:00,959 --> 02:46:03,320
Speaker 4: Did this person really earn something or did they just

3157
02:46:03,480 --> 02:46:07,360
Speaker 4: were they just checking someone else's tech matrix box? Right?

3158
02:46:07,760 --> 02:46:10,600
Speaker 4: And the idea that you're going to subvert someone's individual

3159
02:46:10,640 --> 02:46:14,400
Speaker 4: achievement by labeling them something like this, because it's not

3160
02:46:14,440 --> 02:46:17,120
Speaker 4: the conservative side or libertarian side or the Republican side

3161
02:46:17,200 --> 02:46:19,959
Speaker 4: labeling people to EI hires. It is the folks on

3162
02:46:20,000 --> 02:46:24,360
Speaker 4: the left. I think Joe Biden himself basically appointed a

3163
02:46:24,440 --> 02:46:28,240
Speaker 4: DEI hire as his running mate. And I think that

3164
02:46:29,120 --> 02:46:33,720
Speaker 4: this is stigma, is unfortunate, and it's completely unnecessary. I

3165
02:46:33,720 --> 02:46:35,879
Speaker 4: think we're going to finally move beyond this. I should

3166
02:46:35,879 --> 02:46:38,320
Speaker 4: point out that the latest executive order from last week

3167
02:46:38,959 --> 02:46:42,959
Speaker 4: striking down disparate impact. The idea that if you can

3168
02:46:43,040 --> 02:46:47,480
Speaker 4: show that there's some sort of statistical result that shows

3169
02:46:47,480 --> 02:46:50,800
Speaker 4: that somehow one group is having a different outcome than

3170
02:46:50,840 --> 02:46:55,279
Speaker 4: other groups, you can utilize this to prove individual discrimination

3171
02:46:55,400 --> 02:46:59,400
Speaker 4: against you. And this has been an absurd notion that

3172
02:46:59,480 --> 02:47:02,959
Speaker 4: is in our judicial system that is now being struck down.

3173
02:47:03,000 --> 02:47:05,280
Speaker 4: Those of us and social sciences know this. It's a fraud,

3174
02:47:05,360 --> 02:47:08,760
Speaker 4: it's a fallacy. You can't do this because it makes

3175
02:47:08,760 --> 02:47:11,240
Speaker 4: it's not valid, and yet we find it. We've been

3176
02:47:11,280 --> 02:47:13,920
Speaker 4: following this disparate impact for quite some time. That's no

3177
02:47:14,000 --> 02:47:15,320
Speaker 4: longer to be the case.

3178
02:47:15,360 --> 02:47:18,680
Speaker 1: Doctor Stanley Ridge, originally author of dee I Expose and Doctor,

3179
02:47:18,720 --> 02:47:20,680
Speaker 1: we put your book on my web page at fifty

3180
02:47:20,680 --> 02:47:23,119
Speaker 1: five cares dot com so my listeners can easily obtain

3181
02:47:23,120 --> 02:47:25,600
Speaker 1: a copy of it. And I'm going to go back

3182
02:47:25,600 --> 02:47:27,400
Speaker 1: real quickly here because I do have quite a few

3183
02:47:27,440 --> 02:47:31,680
Speaker 1: Jewish friends, you know, and not necessarily practicing Jews, they

3184
02:47:31,680 --> 02:47:33,959
Speaker 1: just had to be Jewish in terms of their ancestry.

3185
02:47:34,520 --> 02:47:36,840
Speaker 1: Some are in favor of Israel, some are in favor

3186
02:47:36,879 --> 02:47:39,640
Speaker 1: of Palestinian two state solutions. They're just a mixed bag

3187
02:47:40,280 --> 02:47:44,520
Speaker 1: of Jewish people. How has DEI fueled anti Semitism? And

3188
02:47:44,600 --> 02:47:47,240
Speaker 1: I don't understand how it is that there's some what

3189
02:47:47,520 --> 02:47:50,840
Speaker 1: their motivation is, and anger over that the Jewish people

3190
02:47:50,879 --> 02:47:54,080
Speaker 1: is on college campuses as if the Nazis took over.

3191
02:47:55,520 --> 02:47:57,520
Speaker 4: Well, it's very similar in the sense that this it's

3192
02:47:57,560 --> 02:48:01,120
Speaker 4: an ideology DEA is an ideology, and the ideology tells

3193
02:48:01,160 --> 02:48:04,560
Speaker 4: them to behave in certain ways. That ideology says that

3194
02:48:04,560 --> 02:48:08,000
Speaker 4: that Jews basically are white people and therefore undeserving of

3195
02:48:08,120 --> 02:48:12,760
Speaker 4: protections afforded other minitized people. That's what they say. And

3196
02:48:12,840 --> 02:48:16,720
Speaker 4: the fact is that the Jews, especially those from Israel,

3197
02:48:16,760 --> 02:48:20,440
Speaker 4: are considered settler colonialists. As a result, they are by

3198
02:48:20,480 --> 02:48:24,920
Speaker 4: definition oppressors. So it doesn't matter how many assaults or bullying,

3199
02:48:25,160 --> 02:48:29,000
Speaker 4: or trespassing or vandalism, that kind of thing is perpetrated

3200
02:48:29,000 --> 02:48:32,280
Speaker 4: against Jewish students, it doesn't matter. And that I have

3201
02:48:32,320 --> 02:48:35,160
Speaker 4: an entire chapter on this of how DEI has perpetrated

3202
02:48:35,200 --> 02:48:39,960
Speaker 4: this anti Semitic ethos on campus. That it's okay to

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Speaker 4: discriminate against Jewish students, it's okay to bully them and

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Speaker 4: to assault them because they deserve it, because they are

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Speaker 4: oppressors in this framework that I've described to you, that's

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Speaker 4: the core of DEI. That you and I are in

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Speaker 4: a particular racial category and are deserving of our faith,

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Speaker 4: the faith being determined by the DEI idiotology. It's the

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Speaker 4: thing that motivated Luikimanzione to kill Brian Thompson in New

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Speaker 4: York ideology for him.

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Speaker 1: To do this, well, it's I wish they were familiar

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Speaker 1: with the concept of two wrongs don't make a right.

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Speaker 1: That we once had slavery in the United States, and

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Speaker 1: it was wrong, and we did right that wrong, and

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Speaker 1: many laws were put into place, and many laws were

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Speaker 1: struck from the books to remove that from our society.

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Speaker 1: And we've made huge strides toward that. You know, everybody's

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Speaker 1: equal kind of perception. They're destroying it. They're just they're

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Speaker 1: turning it on its head. It's just it's okay to

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Speaker 1: discriminate against someone on the color based on the color

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Speaker 1: of their skin. It's just got to be the right

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Speaker 1: color in their eyes.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I think it is.

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Speaker 4: I'm really disturbed by a lot of students who buy

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Speaker 4: into the whole social justice mantra and this social justice

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Speaker 4: collectivist mantra. It has a whole host of ideologies under

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Speaker 4: its umbrella, and DEI is just one of them. But

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Speaker 4: it sounds very good for someone to say, well, I'm

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Speaker 4: supporting I'm working for social justice. And if you probe

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Speaker 4: beyond that cliche, you find there's not much there except

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Speaker 4: the fact of the idea of coercion. I'm going to

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Speaker 4: compel you to do something that I want you to

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Speaker 4: do that my ideology tills you do because I have

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Speaker 4: access to this hidden knowledge that the left has always

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Speaker 4: been claiming on the college campuses.

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Speaker 5: Doctor.

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Speaker 1: Originally, it's been a fantastic conversation this morning. I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate you spending time with my listeners and me to

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Speaker 1: talk about your book, Deegi. I exposed how the biggest

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Speaker 1: ecount of the century almost toppled higher education. I'll encourage

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Speaker 1: my copy my listeners to head on over to my web

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Speaker 1: page and get a copy of the book. Doctor. Thanks

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Speaker 1: again for your time today and keep up the great work.