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Speaker 1: This is a podcast from wor now the WOOR Saturday

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Speaker 1: Morning Show. Here's Larry Minty. Good morning, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: Saturday Morning. Today's show can be summed up in two words,

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Speaker 1: politics and Springsteen. With ten days before election day in

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Speaker 1: New York City, we have the Republican candidate for mayor,

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Speaker 1: Curtis Leiwa, and the independent candidate for mayor, former Governor

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Speaker 1: Andrew Cuomo. And John Crowley, the executive director of the

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Speaker 1: New Jersey Motion Picture and Television Commission, tells us about

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Speaker 1: the impact of the new Springsteen movie Deliver Me from

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Speaker 1: Nowhere on New Jersey, and Movie Minute host Joe Neumayer

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Speaker 1: tells us if the movie's any good. But let's start

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Speaker 1: with former Governor of New York Andrew Cuomo. Independent candidate

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Speaker 1: for Mayor of New York City, Sarah, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Governor, good to be with you. Larry, thank you for

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Speaker 3: having me listen.

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Speaker 1: If you are to win, you're going to need Republicans

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Speaker 1: and Conservatives to vote for you, and we've got tens

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Speaker 1: of thousands of them listening right now.

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Speaker 2: What is your pitch to them?

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Speaker 3: My pitch to them is, first of all they know me.

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Speaker 3: I've represented them as governor's attorney general, etc. You know, Larry,

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Speaker 3: I don't represent people as a Democrat. As a Republican.

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Speaker 3: I represent you. I represent you. I'm trained as an attorney. Right,

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Speaker 3: you're my client. I'm going to fight for you. And

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Speaker 3: that's what I did as governor. Republicans. You know, the

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Speaker 3: talk all nowadays is so partisan or your Democrat, you're

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Speaker 3: a Republican. No, I'm a New Yorker. I was New

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Speaker 3: York governor. I had a Republican Senate. Everything I did

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Speaker 3: I negotiated with the Republican Senate. I was hut Secretary.

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Speaker 3: It was a Republican Congress. Everything I did, I negotiated

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Speaker 3: with a Republican Congress. I worked well with Republicans. We

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Speaker 3: get a lot done. And New York the Republicans are key,

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Speaker 3: not just in an election. They are a major part

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Speaker 3: of the community, and I work very well with them.

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Speaker 3: I think if the Republicans think about what they want

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Speaker 3: in the next mayor, public safety, hire more cops, clean

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Speaker 3: the damn city up, get jobs coming back, lower taxes.

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Speaker 3: That's my agenda.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you, I'll be honest with you, only

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Speaker 1: be honest with you, Governor. I don't think any of

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Speaker 1: the Republicans listening right now would vote for you on

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Speaker 1: your past and your experience alone. And your experience is extensive.

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Speaker 1: But they don't want Zora and Mamdani to be mayor.

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Speaker 1: That's what they're afraid of. They don't want to ruin

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Speaker 1: this city. Is that good enough for you? Is that

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Speaker 1: reason good enough for you?

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Speaker 3: Look, if you're saying you will only vote for me

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Speaker 3: because you dislike Zoron more, it's not flattering. But that's

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Speaker 3: the Trump rationale, right. He says Zoron is a communist

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Speaker 3: and the last thing we can let happen as a communist.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: I understand that, but and Larry, I don't. I understand that,

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Speaker 3: But I also think it overlooks Look, the Republicans, we

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Speaker 3: can disagree about COVID. I made major, major decisions where

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Speaker 3: there was little information and you had to make a call.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure they can question decisions that I made. I

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Speaker 3: questioned I wouldn't. There are decisions I made I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: Well, let me get let me get into one thing.

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Speaker 1: I know that they're because I talked to them all

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Speaker 1: the time, and the biggest thing they're upset about is

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Speaker 1: casualist bail, and you were the innovator of casualist bail. Now,

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Speaker 1: I understand I've heard your interviews and I know you've

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Speaker 1: said that it's been changed six times since then. Would

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Speaker 1: you work as mayor to amend that, to bring back

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Speaker 1: either cashless bail to where it was or just.

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Speaker 2: Get rid of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, First, don't say cashless bail, there's no such thing.

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Speaker 3: It was bail reform, which was no cash bail for

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Speaker 3: a non serious, non selony crime, meaning if you were

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Speaker 3: then we're not going to put you in rikers just

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Speaker 3: what it was. My first proposal six years ago said

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Speaker 3: I negotiated the best bill I could and I signed it.

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Speaker 3: In retrospect. I wouldn't have signed it without discretion, the

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Speaker 3: judicial discretion. It would have kept more pressure on them

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Speaker 3: to make changes faster. That was six years ago. They

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Speaker 3: why I say, you know I did bail, But would.

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Speaker 1: You fight to fix it now? Would you do everything

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Speaker 1: you can to fix it?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Because I do believe in judicial discretion?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 2: How you know what?

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Speaker 1: I think most people believe that for you to win,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see what the most recent polls are going

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Speaker 1: to say. Uh, Curtis has to jump out of the race.

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Speaker 1: Can you many times when you've talked about this, you've

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Speaker 1: been insulting to Curtis Lee when I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: gonna work. Can you convince him or can or I

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Speaker 1: even heard you talk about a possible coalition with him

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Speaker 1: and that you would accept that. What are you willing

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Speaker 1: to do to get Curtis Lee with a drop out

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Speaker 1: of the race and what would you say to him?

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Speaker 3: Laurie, I have not been insulting to Curtis Lee. I

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Speaker 3: don't know Curtis. I never had a conversation with the man.

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Speaker 3: I only know what I've seen in the newspapers. Uh.

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, the Guardian Angels was a good concept.

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Speaker 3: You know, my father was very My father was governor

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Speaker 3: when I started, uh and I was working with my

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Speaker 3: father and he was very supportive of the Guardian Angels

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Speaker 3: So I've never been critical of Curtis. I do believe

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Speaker 3: that Curtis cannot win this race. There is no numercal

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Speaker 3: way for it to happen. So my point is, you know,

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Speaker 3: sometimes it's not just about us and how you go,

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Speaker 3: and that if what he's trying to accomplish is better

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Speaker 3: the city, then go back to your point life as options,

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Speaker 3: it's me or Mondamin, and he will take votes that

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Speaker 3: will make Zoran a winner, and that is an existential

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Speaker 3: threat for New York.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely independent candidate for Mayor of New York City former

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Speaker 1: Governor Andrew Cuomo.

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Speaker 3: Up.

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Speaker 1: Next, Republican candidate for Mayor, Curtis Leewa.

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Speaker 4: Now more of the WOOR Saturday Morning Show and Larry Minty.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: Let's get right to the Republican candidate for Mayor of

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Speaker 1: New York Curtis Leiwa. Curtis, I'm sure you saw the announcement.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure if you didn't watch it live, you've heard

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Speaker 1: about it. Does it change the race at all?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: But I wonder if this is the sixth family of

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Speaker 4: organized crime. You know, we have the Bananos, the Colombo's, Lukesey's,

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Speaker 4: the Genoviez, Gambinos. They're all in that gambling series of

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Speaker 4: arrests that were made of NBA players.

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Speaker 2: I'm wondering if Eric's talking.

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Speaker 4: About a new sixth family of organized crime, what family

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Speaker 4: is he talking about? Because his has been a dysfunctional

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Speaker 4: family in this city that led to the rise of

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Speaker 4: Zorhan Mandami, because if he had done a halfway decent

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Speaker 4: job as a democratic incumbent mayor, it would have been

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Speaker 4: round two Eric Adams versus Curtis Sliwa, and instead his

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Speaker 4: failure and Cemo's failure have led to Zoran Mandami.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Curtis, nice job the other night at the debate.

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Speaker 1: I actually thought you won both debates, and one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons is they didn't go after you as much.

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Speaker 2: But that's great.

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Speaker 1: Take advantage of what you got, and you certainly shined

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Speaker 1: and I also thought in the second debate, for the

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Speaker 1: first time you and Cuomo together going after Mom, Donnie

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Speaker 1: and the moderators were a little better. They really exposed him.

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Speaker 1: He seemed a lot weaker than he has in the past.

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Speaker 1: I wish that it would have happened earlier with the

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Speaker 1: media in the first debate, but you take what you got.

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Speaker 2: I thought he stumbled a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Oh no doubt, and he was shitzing, he was sweating.

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Speaker 4: You can tell he was on the ropes. But I

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Speaker 4: will say that first debate by NBC, the acronym stood

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Speaker 4: for Larry if you watched it any of your many

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Speaker 4: listeners not broadcasting Curtis, they spent about twelve to fifteen

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Speaker 4: minutes without giving me any airtime, and I had to

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Speaker 4: basically roller derby my way in, elbow my way in,

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Speaker 4: and at times speak over the moderators, who was so

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Speaker 4: disrespectful to me. But at least New York one spectrum,

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Speaker 4: everybody had equal time, everybody was able to make their points.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, no, I rocked zoron Mandami's world, but I

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Speaker 4: also rocked Andrew Cuomo's world.

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Speaker 2: Remember the best.

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Speaker 4: Line of the night's when I turned to Zora on

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Speaker 4: and I said, hey, z On, your resume can fit

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Speaker 4: on a cockawn.

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Speaker 2: That that was a good line. Yeah, it was really good.

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Speaker 1: Like look in a fair world, because you have shown

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Speaker 1: yourself to be the best candidate for mayre. You have

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Speaker 1: shown yourself to be the best in these debates. However,

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Speaker 1: this isn't a fair world. And New York is all

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Speaker 1: screwed up right now and it's going way to the left.

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Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people are afraid of

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Speaker 1: zorin Mam Donnie. That's why you're hearing all of these

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Speaker 1: I want to play you somebody who left the talk

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Speaker 1: back and was talking specifically to you, and you can

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Speaker 6: Good morning, Curtis. You are the best man for the job,

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Speaker 6: no doubt you can. Possibly you could save New York.

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Speaker 6: But unfortunately New York does not want to be saved.

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Speaker 6: It's a radical left blue state and for the good

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Speaker 6: of the state the country, you have to step aside

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Speaker 6: to not allow the socialist invasion.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting. He sounded like he almost

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Speaker 1: got choked up. It was hard for him to say.

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Speaker 1: I think it's hard for a lot of people to

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Speaker 1: say that to you because they want you to win.

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Speaker 2: They like you. You're a hero to them. What do

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Speaker 4: Him, Well, eight, it's too late. I was never going

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Speaker 4: to drop out. The billionaires strike to bribe me, they

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Speaker 4: threaten to kill me and my wife. I now have

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Speaker 1: This is an unusual race in that it's competitive race.

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Speaker 1: What was the turnout last race? Fifteen percent? It's going

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Speaker 1: to be much higher than that this time, So I

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Speaker 1: think the Polsters don't know how to pull that exactly.

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Speaker 1: There's going to be some people coming out in this

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Speaker 1: race that never came out before, and turnout for your supporters,

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Speaker 1: if you want to win, is going to be more

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Speaker 1: important than ever. I think you would agree with that.

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Speaker 1: What is your turnout mechanism? How can you get people

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Speaker 4: Larry, I'm already involved in turning people out, as is Zoran.

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Speaker 4: You see them, I don't see anybody for Cuomo. Cromo's

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Speaker 4: entire day is spent saying drop out, Curtisly every day

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Speaker 4: all of you say drop out Curtis. Lie is a

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Speaker 3: There's no dropping out.

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Speaker 4: Larry, you can have a hard time doing it. But

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Speaker 3: This, Larry, the poll.

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Speaker 4: What about the polls in the primary, he was forty

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Speaker 4: Andrew said, well, I'm sorry, I didn't run a campaign.

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Speaker 4: New York Post reported ten days Andrew Clomo's been off

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Speaker 4: All he's done is he's done the dropout routine. You're

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Speaker 4: People died for a right to vote. Everybody, go out

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Speaker 2: Okay, I get it. I get it.

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Speaker 4: Oh and unlike Cuomo says, so plead to Florida and

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Speaker 1: He did say that Curtis leewa Republican candidate for mayor

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Speaker 4: Back now to the WOR Saturday Morning Show with Larry Minty.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of hype about the new Springsteen

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Speaker 2: John.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've probably seen the movie already. But you've

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Speaker 2: At this point.

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Speaker 5: Bursting with pride, Larry, I'm like a dad walking the

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Speaker 1: No, it's quite an accomplishment. Now, how long have you

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Speaker 5: I was on my phone, of course, and I looked

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Speaker 5: They're pointing. The toes are pointing at me. And I thought, well,

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Speaker 5: And it was Springsteen. He was there most days of filming,

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Speaker 5: like a half minute Larry about moving this film from

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Speaker 5: it stayed. And Jersey is a character in this movie.

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Speaker 5: I did, I did. I saw it on Tuesday and

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Speaker 1: That's great, That's wonderful in so many regards, except for

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Speaker 1: the fact, now I know John, I've worked with John.

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Speaker 1: John was a producer at a TV station I worked at,

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Speaker 1: bursting with envy. The fact that not only did you

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Speaker 5: The strangest moment, strangest moment in this in this job, Larry,

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Speaker 5: I tell you, but you know, breaking news. If they

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Speaker 5: play the older Springsteen. So we talk about getting me

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. Now let's talk about numbers. How

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Speaker 5: Well, this film in particular, they filmed for thirty one days,

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Speaker 5: So that's you know, look, when these productions come into

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Speaker 1: Man, that's a that's a wholehole lot of money on

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Speaker 3: Hires too.

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Speaker 5: New Jersey and New York. But you know, there's a

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Speaker 5: So that's what it's all about. It's about making jobs

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Speaker 1: Hey, John, I want to have you back real soon

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Speaker 5: I love it and tell to just go to our website.

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Speaker 1: John Crowley, Executive director of the New Jersey Motion Picture

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Speaker 2: To all the hype.

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Speaker 4: Next, here's Larry Minte with more of the WOOR Saturday

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Speaker 1: Springsteen Deliver Me from Nowhere is in theaters now, and

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Speaker 1: Joe Newmeyer saw it, and I think you're gonna like

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Speaker 1: Should I turn my headphones off?

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Speaker 2: Or are you gonna like this movie?

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Speaker 7: Turn him up even louder And it's one of those

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Speaker 7: great news to tell you, Larry, this is one of

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Speaker 7: I love this film. I'm giving it five stars. I

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Speaker 7: right now and say we'll make it ten stars for

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Speaker 7: flashbacks to his childhood, but that's because it's really important

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Speaker 7: The Bear as Springsten. He's a phenomenal as well. He's

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Speaker 7: And he's working out and he's getting it down in music,

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Speaker 7: and at the same time he's also figuring out his

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Speaker 7: moment when he says, Bruce is trying to figure out

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Speaker 7: which he was writing at the same time, and you

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Speaker 7: see that performed here. He's also dealing with with depression

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Speaker 7: and he's trying to deal with like what what is

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Speaker 7: like a downer, but it's not. It's about an artist

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Speaker 7: creating art from pain, and because it's somebody that we've

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Speaker 7: all known and we've grown up with, his music. We

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Speaker 7: love his music and what he represents it means so

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Speaker 7: much more. It kind of in some ways, if it

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Speaker 7: wasn't about springs seen, it would still be a meaningful film.

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Speaker 7: Director Scott Cooper also made Crazy Heart, the great film

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Speaker 7: There's some Springsteen mixed in. You see him performing Born

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Speaker 7: at the same time as Nebraska. They were kind of

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Speaker 7: trying then to put how do they get Nebraska onto

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Speaker 7: because he recorded it on this junky little equipment and

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Speaker 7: it's it's just him and a guitar in a room.

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Speaker 7: And that's part of the appeal of that, of that

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Speaker 7: you're looking into the guy's soul and figuring out as

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Speaker 7: he you're watching him as he's figuring out his life.

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Speaker 7: It's an extraordinary film.

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Speaker 2: You made me so happy.

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Speaker 1: I think you've made a lot of people happy, because

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Speaker 1: I know just from the pre sale alone of this film,

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Speaker 1: especially in this area, especially in New Jersey and New

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Speaker 1: York and the surrounding area, he's huge here. As a

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Speaker 1: matter of fact, I saw an interview with Jeremy Allen

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Speaker 1: White where he said, I I didn't know that many

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Speaker 2: He said, everywhere I go, they're coming up.

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Speaker 1: And talking to me and saying, hey, I'm from New

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Speaker 1: Jersey as if I'm from there. That's wonderful. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna put you on the spot right now and

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Speaker 1: I want to hold you do this. This is just

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Speaker 1: this is just some fun. Give me now, how many

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Speaker 1: Oscars you think this will be nominated for?

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Speaker 7: You know, it's a tough year because there's a lot

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Speaker 7: of stuff coming up, and there's stuff that has been

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Speaker 7: I don't know if you know. Unfortunately, you know, Complete

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Speaker 7: Unk Known last year didn't get enough nominations if you

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Speaker 7: ask me, Rocketman a few years ago didn't. This is

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Speaker 7: better than both of those. This is better than Complete Unknown, which, which,

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Speaker 7: as you and I have talked about, was my favorite

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Speaker 7: film last year, but it certainly will be nominated for

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Speaker 7: picture and for director, and for Actor and for Supporting Actor,

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Speaker 7: and Jeremy Strong is nominated last year as well, and

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Speaker 7: from thus for music. So then you get into the

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Speaker 7: technical part. I think that the cinematography looks great, the

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Speaker 7: sound is fantastic, so the sound mixing. I'm guessing seven

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Speaker 7: to nine OSCAR nominations, and if it was up to me,

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Speaker 7: I would I would give it to everything it's nominated for,

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Speaker 7: because it really it's about an artist creating something that

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Speaker 7: is from his heart, and that's hard to capture on film.

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Speaker 7: You know, it's hard to want to make whatether it's

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Speaker 7: a painter painting or a writer writing, that's hard to do.

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Speaker 7: And so this movie really captures it and it and

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Speaker 7: it makes it exciting and vibrant, and you're really getting

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Speaker 7: into it. You're watching him as he's listening to other

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Speaker 7: stuff that's inspiring him. It's it's just a phenomenal movie.

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Speaker 7: And I really think it's it's like I say, it's

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Speaker 7: not the biopic that people think. You know, there may

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Speaker 7: be flashback to his childhood, but it's not that thing

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Speaker 7: of your watching him, you know, figure out who he is.

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Speaker 7: It's about a man figuring out, you know, his his

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Speaker 7: inner demons, wrestling with those demons, and Scott Cooper, the director,

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Speaker 7: does a fantastic job. He really understands this kind of stuff.

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Speaker 7: He's done a couple of films like this that are

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Speaker 7: really sort of gritty, emotional stuff, but this one just

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Speaker 7: shoots for the moon in it.

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Speaker 1: That is so wonderful. I tell you what, you made

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Speaker 1: my day. I know a lot of people listening to

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Speaker 1: this you made their day. Here's what's so wonderful you are.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited about this movie, and I can see,

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Speaker 1: I can feel from you the love you have for movies.

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Speaker 1: And everybody says they like to hear when critics trash

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Speaker 1: a movie, and critics sometimes say that's the most fun

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Speaker 1: they have. I'm just the opposite. I love to hear

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Speaker 1: the passion for movies that you have. And thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for that. Joe Neumeyer Woor movie minuted host

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Speaker 1: that wraps up Saturday Morning for this week, Join me

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Speaker 1: from Minty in the Morning on Monday from six to

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Speaker 1: ten in the morning. Thanks for listening, and thank you

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Speaker 1: to Natalie Vaka and Peter Airolano who put the show

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Speaker 1: together every week. Have a great weekend.

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