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Speaker 1: The Super Bowl odds have not improved all that much

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Speaker 3: I don't think a lot of people have confidence that

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Speaker 1: I just think that's the betting public doesn't really believe. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I get it. The Chiefs have better odds.

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Speaker 1: The Rams and the Eagles right now are the betting

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Speaker 2: And again I can kind of understand that. I think

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Speaker 1: cap Coming back to the remarkable discussion we've all had

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Speaker 1: They are worried about his back and here he is

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Speaker 1: What a win they had over Seattle. I mean it

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Speaker 3: Minimize what Stafford has to do. I mean he's only

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Speaker 1: On the Kiawa Coma Spirit Health text line, Am I

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Speaker 2: What if the Broncos lose all four of them?

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Speaker 1: They have Kansas City away the chargers of the Packers,

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Speaker 3: I mean, the only two teams that could possibly win

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Speaker 2: And the Chargers do you guys know what the Chargers

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Speaker 3: It's brutal. They've got Minnesota Vikings coming to town. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Steve Atwater Hour. Maybe we'll talk to Broncos, but more

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Speaker 2: Who wouldn't really.

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Speaker 3: Who wouldn't want to watch Henry fond to pick blueberries? Okay,

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Speaker 1: A really great stat from James Palmer and I'll get

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Speaker 2: I feel like you should be like running rainbow connection

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Speaker 3: You know, you know why he's having the best on

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Speaker 3: Vic Fangiel laid out the blueprint as Joseph started it

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Speaker 1: Whilso has seen a lot of FUES fans complaining about

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Speaker 1: To the Kway comings for Hotline to bring on a

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Speaker 1: very good friend of the program, Nick Cosmi from the

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Speaker 1: Athletic at Nick Cosmiter on Twitter. Nick, always great to

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Speaker 1: catch up with you, my friend. How's the bye week

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Speaker 5: It's nice, you know, like actually running down a list

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Speaker 2: So you're saying you have your own fourth quarter comeback.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, like at a certain point, you just

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Speaker 1: I really liked I mean, I always liked your articles.

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Speaker 1: But you said you seeking around thirteen and four would

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Speaker 2: And of course there's still a lot to play here.

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Speaker 1: The Colts and they're playing this week against the Chiefs,

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Speaker 5: it really is when you know that kind of the

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Speaker 5: bye week is to take some time to sort of

445
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Speaker 5: zoom out and look at where they are. I don't

446
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Speaker 5: think any of us, really, you know, many of us

447
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Speaker 5: thought that that could be the position that they're in,

448
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Speaker 5: you know, kind of heading into that big game in Washington,

449
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Speaker 5: that they would be nine and two, and we're having,

450
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Speaker 5: you know, serious substantive conversations about them potentially earning a

451
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Speaker 5: number one seed in the buy that comes with it.

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Speaker 1: Chay with the cosmid or from the Athletic you know,

453
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Speaker 1: you you you kind of did a nice breakdown here

454
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Speaker 1: on Bonnicks and specifically how his team has rallied around him.

455
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Speaker 1: Is there something that bo Nicks could be working on

456
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Speaker 1: in the bye week? I know the Sean gave them

457
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Speaker 1: all week off, but if there was something he could

458
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Speaker 1: improve on for these final six games, what would it

459
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Speaker 1: be for you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I would if it was me, I would have

461
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Speaker 5: started with, hey, like, let's cut up a lot of

462
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Speaker 5: the good things that we did in this game against

463
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Speaker 5: a really good pass rush and just have those kind

464
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Speaker 5: of things sink into sort of your psyche like we

465
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Speaker 5: you know, you go through and there had been time,

466
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Speaker 5: there had not been many times going through his film

467
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Speaker 5: this year where there it was just kind of the

468
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Speaker 5: solid climb in the pocket sometimes but you know they're

469
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Speaker 5: run up in the pocket to kind of create you know,

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Speaker 5: an off platform throw or whatever the case might be,

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Speaker 5: but just pure you know, climbing stepping up, it's sort

472
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Speaker 5: of been few and far between, and you could point

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Speaker 5: to several examples of that in the game against Kansas City.

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Speaker 5: And of course what that does is allows you to

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Speaker 5: manipulate the pressure the way that you want to, but

476
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Speaker 5: it also keeps your eyes down the field in a

477
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Speaker 5: way that when you just kind of like run up

478
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Speaker 5: in the you're not always necessarily able to do. And

479
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Speaker 5: I thought his ability to do that, you know, let

480
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Speaker 5: guys extend routes create some separation you know later in

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Speaker 5: the route concept that would be kind of my thing.

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Speaker 5: Mine would be a like a kind of a go

483
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Speaker 5: into this with a real positive thing of hey, let's

484
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Speaker 5: let's build on this, because there was some some really

485
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Speaker 5: good stuff that you know, he added to to what

486
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Speaker 5: he already does well, which is the you know, the movement,

487
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Speaker 5: the ability to kind of you know, be a playmaker,

488
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Speaker 5: especially late in games like he often is. You know,

489
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Speaker 5: I e. The throat, the twenty yard throat to Courtland

490
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Speaker 5: Sutton on third and fifteen. Pair of that, which is

491
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Speaker 5: kind of more sound trust in the pocket. I thought

492
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Speaker 5: there was a lot to like, and so.

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Speaker 2: That would be me.

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Speaker 5: It would just be like, hey, let's let's kind of

495
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Speaker 5: build off what we did there on Sunday against the Chiefs, and.

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Speaker 3: Everybody was to focus on Bowl. But you know, he's

497
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Speaker 3: answered those questions for me. You know, he shows up

498
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Speaker 3: when he needs to and you know, when the bell

499
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Speaker 3: rings and he shows up what he needs to. I

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Speaker 3: think the question here going forward, as we look at

501
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Speaker 3: this last third of the season is what does this

502
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Speaker 3: run game look like?

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Speaker 2: Both has been the Yeah, he's the NFL in passing attempts.

504
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Speaker 3: The run game is wildly ineffective, although you know, to

505
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Speaker 3: be fair, wasn't as as needed this past week. You know,

506
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Speaker 3: RJ has just not gotten it as a as a

507
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Speaker 3: running back, yet your Leil was marginally better. What what

508
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Speaker 3: are we going to do here when we're getting into

509
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Speaker 3: the data of December and you've got to run the football.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a great question because you know, you're you're

511
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Speaker 5: you're somewhat short on options in terms of, like, you know,

512
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Speaker 5: different levers that you can pull, like you're you're going

513
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Speaker 5: to need r. J. Harvey to you know, to get

514
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Speaker 5: more reps and hope that he builds on those enough

515
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Speaker 5: to where you are trusting him to be, you know,

516
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Speaker 5: a guy that becomes a major part of your game plan.

517
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Speaker 5: To your point, Ben, in games where you know, running

518
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Speaker 5: the football is going to be paramount, not just because

519
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Speaker 5: of a you know, controlling the clock type of way

520
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Speaker 5: or whatever that might be, but also because of the

521
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Speaker 5: weather and not wanting to put the ball in bo

522
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Speaker 5: Nix's hands forty times when it's you know, tend degrees

523
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Speaker 5: there Adam power field. So that's going to be critical.

524
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Speaker 5: And I know that this team has shown a lot

525
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Speaker 5: of acumen for being able to close finish close games,

526
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Speaker 5: but man, you would love if you're the Broncos going

527
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Speaker 5: into these next two against teams with losing records to

528
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Speaker 5: be able to get out ahead and really just give

529
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Speaker 5: the reps and give the opportunity to really work RJ. Harvey,

530
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Speaker 5: Angela mcloughfin in a way that kind of gives you

531
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Speaker 5: confidence that they're starting to kind of build up a

532
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Speaker 5: rhythm that to me would be a big priority if

533
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Speaker 5: I'm the Broncos, Like, Yeah, you need to win these games.

534
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Speaker 5: You need to continue to win these games because of

535
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Speaker 5: what you're playing for, right, Like, if you're trying to

536
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Speaker 5: be the number one seed, not a lot of margin

537
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Speaker 5: for error. But I think you do kind of have

538
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Speaker 5: to balance that with like, let's really get these guys

539
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Speaker 5: going so that we can figure out what they can

540
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Speaker 5: and can't do collectively as we build our run game.

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Speaker 2: For the playoffs at Cosmo or joining us.

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Speaker 1: Last couple for you Man also in your article he

543
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Speaker 1: talked about the secondary a little bit. Would you consider

544
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Speaker 1: some kind of rotation there at outside corner, especially when

545
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Speaker 1: Pastor Tam comes back. Obviously he's starting on the opposite side,

546
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Speaker 1: But for Riley Moss in his position, do you go

547
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Speaker 1: rotation there or do.

548
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Speaker 2: You go back to what you were?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a great question. I mean, I think they're

550
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Speaker 5: probably going to look at a couple of these things,

551
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Speaker 5: and certainly with pat Down they have they had kind

552
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Speaker 5: of created a little bit of an outside rotation. Obviously,

553
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Speaker 5: it's it was large it's largely been Chris Abrams Strain

554
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Speaker 5: on the outside, but you sprinkled John A. Barren into

555
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Speaker 5: that role a little bit as well. So maybe there

556
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Speaker 5: are certain packages that you like Chris Abrams Drain to

557
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Speaker 5: be out on the field a little bit more for

558
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Speaker 5: you know, obviously they they they're confident in Riley Moss.

559
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Speaker 5: You know, the point to the you know, the low

560
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Speaker 5: completion rate, his ability to just be competitive and and

561
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Speaker 5: to get past things. But you know that they're going

562
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Speaker 5: to have to kind of really sort of evaluate almost

563
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Speaker 5: from a philosophical level of like this is sort of

564
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Speaker 5: what this guy is in terms of right now. He's

565
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Speaker 5: just at a point where he's he's collecting a lot

566
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Speaker 5: of flags and a lot of big moments, and teams

567
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Speaker 5: are clearly hunting that as a way to get down

568
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Speaker 5: the field. So, you know, Riley Moss set himself after

569
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Speaker 5: the game like there's gonna be a lot of things

570
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Speaker 5: that he needs to do that they're going to work

571
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Speaker 5: on in practice, whether it's you know, playing corner with

572
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Speaker 5: boxing gloves on, so he has to keep his keep

573
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Speaker 5: his hands off, you know, as they train for for

574
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Speaker 5: these upcoming games, like they're going to need to kind

575
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Speaker 5: of try all those things. But I don't have a

576
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Speaker 5: great answer for you, but I wouldn't surprise me if

577
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Speaker 5: they do.

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Speaker 2: Try to look at that and say, you know, how

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Speaker 2: can we.

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Speaker 5: Get Chris Abrams shran on the field as well, in

581
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Speaker 5: part just because he's he's playing really well. That's the

582
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Speaker 5: guy you want to continue to have grow and develop.

583
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Speaker 2: You know, we were talking with Dave Logan earlier.

584
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Speaker 3: We're talking about how, you know, Washington went the NFC

585
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Speaker 3: Championship in their first year and they kind of fell

586
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Speaker 3: off in the second year, and a lot of that

587
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Speaker 3: had to do with the fact they need to reload

588
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Speaker 3: on defense and they went with a bunch of old

589
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Speaker 3: free agents.

590
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Speaker 2: It didn't work out.

591
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Speaker 3: If Broncos have a defense, it's it's pre built, and

592
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Speaker 3: it's pre built to be sustained for a few years

593
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Speaker 3: on into whenever it is you're going to end up

594
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Speaker 3: having to pay both how much of a confidence boost

595
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Speaker 3: do you think it is overall for this unit to

596
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Speaker 3: go out there and do what they're doing without their

597
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Speaker 3: best player and without their their logistics leader in the

598
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Speaker 3: Green dot, and you know, and and still coming away

599
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Speaker 3: with these defensive performances.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's kind of wild, honestly, And and

601
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Speaker 5: and that's what I think operates this team from the

602
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Speaker 5: unit last year. Obviously, Denver had a really good defense

603
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Speaker 5: last year, led the league in sacks by a large margin,

604
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Speaker 5: set a franchise record. Could always get after the quarterback.

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Speaker 5: But I just think that if they were lucky last

606
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Speaker 5: year to not have to have dealt with a lot

607
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Speaker 5: of the injuries that we're seeing creeping up, they didn't

608
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Speaker 5: rest on that as some sort of thing where you're like, oh,

609
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Speaker 5: this is how it's going to be every year, even

610
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Speaker 5: though you know Sean Payton says, you kind of like

611
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Speaker 5: to you feel like you earn what you have injury wise. Look,

612
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Speaker 5: we all know that there's huge variance to injuries. You're

613
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Speaker 5: going to have them at some point, and right now

614
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Speaker 5: the Broncos have dealt with them a little bit more

615
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Speaker 5: than they did in either of Sean Payton's first two years.

616
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Speaker 5: They've also they're also more equipped and at any other

617
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Speaker 5: time to deal with those, And I think that's been

618
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Speaker 5: a really important part of the latter part of this

619
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Speaker 5: win streak. Like when tatz Ertan went down. If you said, hey,

620
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Speaker 5: we're going to be we're going to be three and

621
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Speaker 5: oh before we get him back in Washington, you're going

622
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Speaker 5: to feel great about that, if for no other reason

623
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Speaker 5: than like, that's your best football player and you found

624
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Speaker 5: a way to win without him. And then yeah, again,

625
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Speaker 5: you had guys that were starters last year, like Justin Surnad.

626
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Speaker 5: Now he's a fill in guy who.

627
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Speaker 2: Plays at a starter level.

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Speaker 5: That's not a luxury a lot of teams have, and

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Speaker 5: it's a testament to George Peyton and Sean Payton in

630
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Speaker 5: the way that they've built this roster.

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Speaker 1: So your guy, Robert Mays on the podcast today said

632
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Speaker 1: that if the Broncos win the Super Bowl, he's gonna

633
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Speaker 1: shave his head.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to help with that? Since you covered

635
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Speaker 2: the Broncos, I'd.

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Speaker 5: Be happy to. I Actually, I was just cleaning some

637
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Speaker 5: stuff off for that honeydew list and found this old

638
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Speaker 5: pair of like clippers from COVID when I tried to

639
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Speaker 5: cut my own hair, and obviously I burned all evidence

640
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Speaker 5: of that existing. But yeah, so I've got the clippers

641
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Speaker 5: not really used, so I'll be happy to send Robert

642
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Speaker 5: does or help them in whatever way I can, you know,

643
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Speaker 5: video it or whatever he needs those guys, and again,

644
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Speaker 5: I think they do a really good job.

645
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Speaker 2: I listened to a lot of national pods.

646
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Speaker 1: Just kind of get a sense of how different people

647
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Speaker 1: are talking about the Broncos outside of the market, and yeah,

648
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Speaker 1: that they have not been the biggest bon Nicks guy,

649
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Speaker 1: and I can understand that from the pre draft process

650
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Speaker 1: to some of his inconsistencies, but there's they basically said

651
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Speaker 1: that they just don't believe this team has what it

652
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Speaker 1: takes to win a championship, and they took the Chiefs

653
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Speaker 1: ahead of them even that sitting at the nine seed,

654
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Speaker 1: as in more belief in their ability to win a championship,

655
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Speaker 1: which I guess I could kind of understand based on priors.

656
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Speaker 2: But also it's a little weird to me. What do

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Speaker 2: you think?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, there's like there's one school of thought.

659
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Speaker 5: I think, like, you know as much as I'm sure

660
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Speaker 5: you guys and plenty of others have had fun with Nick, right,

661
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Speaker 5: like the one thing that he said that it's like, okay,

662
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 5: I see that where he said something to the effect

663
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 5: of like I'm gonna go ahead and just wait one

664
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Speaker 5: year until the Chiefs aren't in the Super Bowl or

665
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 5: you know, in Theft Championship before I you know, just

666
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 5: kind of declare them, to declare them dead. And I

667
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 5: think you've earned sort of some of the benefits of doubt,

668
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 5: even though now they have to scrape just to get

669
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Speaker 5: into the playoffs. I think the one thing and then

670
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 5: maybe this is like a bigger picture sort of like

671
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 5: critique on what we do sometimes you know, from a

672
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 5: national media perspective. But but all of this is there's

673
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 5: always this yearning to put like a certain game into

674
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 5: a larger context like all the time. And what that

675
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 5: does is it presents just this like week by week,

676
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 5: like this is what we've decided a person is, this

677
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 5: is how it's going. Well, ignoring the fact that so

678
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 5: much of this is an arc, like it really is

679
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 5: like a marathon, like if you had done this to

680
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 5: John Elways for like this didn't exist back then, but

681
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 5: you'd be saying, like God, what a bum, Like what

682
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 5: would he complete his passes today?

683
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: Or whoever?

684
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 5: Is like you know, and so it just is this

685
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 5: kind of that's the machine. It's just like everything has

686
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 5: to be instead of just evaluating the game or like

687
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 5: you know, talking about this that there tends to be.

688
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,959
Speaker 5: And it's not singling anybody. I just I think we're

689
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 5: all guilty of that at times, of like wanting to

690
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 5: put it into a larger context or a larger conversation

691
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 5: all the time instead of just so this was this game,

692
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 5: he did this well, this is something that he did

693
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 5: do well, like he's going to have to continue to grow.

694
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 5: And then you know, then you look back on it

695
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 5: later and just say, like, this is sort of the

696
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 5: trend that we see. You know, I get it, you

697
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 5: understand why it works that way. But I think that's

698
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 5: where you get some of that stuff is just like

699
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 5: this is the trend, like we are seeing this and

700
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 5: when we created this like narrative, and so you know,

701
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 5: now you're just sticking with it as opposed to maybe

702
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 5: just really kind of getting in there and looking at

703
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 5: it game by game.

704
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: It's perfectly said my friend, always great. We will see

705
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 2: you out of practice next week.

706
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 5: All right, thanks a lot, take care.

707
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: I appreciate it's an the cosmic from the athletic always great.

708
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 2: Love his work.

709
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 3: Robert Mays Millie Mays Rough don't matter Broncos in the

710
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 3: Super Bowl.

711
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 2: I mean, for I had nineteenth President of the United

712
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: States there, but pretty good.

713
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Speaker 1: I mean, I understand where they're coming from a little bit,

714
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: and there's a little bit of that confirmation bias, and

715
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: I think to the next point there, and I think

716
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: them there's a lot of people out there that have

717
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: taken their shots at bo Nicks for for multitude of

718
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: different reasons.

719
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: So he did play a good game against can't say Chiefs.

720
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: You acknowledge that at the beginning of the show, and

721
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: we've all acknowledged that, even they acknowledged he played a.

722
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 2: Good game against the Kansas City Chiefs.

723
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: But there's this, like what I thought about him coming

724
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: out of college, what he's been at the pro level.

725
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: There's I've asked this question before, like how many games

726
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: or how many years or seasons does he have to

727
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: play to move beyond priors whatever you thought about him before,

728
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: because he hasn't done enough right now to change many minds,

729
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: whether you were pro bo Nicks or anti bon Nicks.

730
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: And that's extremes, but you know what I'm saying, Like

731
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: it confirms things when he has games like the Raiders.

732
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: Game, Well, that's that's what I thought he'd be.

733
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: I knew he wasn't a very good quarterback and then

734
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: he goes out and has a good game, and you're like, well,

735
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: I mean, but that was one off.

736
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: I gotta see a lot more, you.

737
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying.

738
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 3: I got to see a lot more of the Raiders

739
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 3: game before I'm dogging him that much, you know, turn

740
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 3: him into Teaple. Reality is, when Bo came out, I

741
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 3: called him Derek Carr, and I kind of stand by that.

742
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 3: He's Derek Carr with a winner gene, you know. I mean,

743
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 3: he's Derek Carr, but a winner at the end of

744
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 3: the day. I mean, I stand by that. You know,

745
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 3: Derek Carr was the guy who's you know, screenplays in

746
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 3: deep shots and for medicism than anything you knew that

747
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: he had.

748
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: And yeah, and then people didn't love that you used

749
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: that comp but just for a moment, like, what would

750
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: it take for you to come off of that comp

751
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: and give him a better one?

752
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: See, I I'm not gonna come off of that. I

753
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 2: don't think.

754
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 3: I think most people can come off their view of

755
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 3: what Derek Carr was and go back and look at

756
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 3: what Derek Carr was.

757
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: Derek Carr is a winner.

758
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 3: Is as a compliment, Derek Carr was a top third

759
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 3: League quarterback is that I'm.

760
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: Not I'm not wrong. It's you people, They're stupid.

761
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: But it's what I'm trying to get at is just like, yeah,

762
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 3: everybody's everyone, myself included. It's stuck in those in those

763
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 3: sort of prior you know, thought thought spaces that they had.

764
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Speaker 2: But I mean, I haven't seen anything to shake me

765
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 2: off that.

766
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 3: I The difference is is that I thought Derek Carr

767
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 3: was better than everybody else thinks Derek.

768
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: Carr is at what point? What point do you feel

769
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: like we can assess? So what do I what do

770
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Speaker 1: I what do I upgrade him to diet Tony Romo?

771
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: I mean, well, then that's also a porative. I'm saying,

772
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Speaker 1: like it, Tony was a successful we were a guy

773
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: at anybody, you know, he doesn't have quite the you

774
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: know that Tony Romo did well. I know, but I

775
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: mean you know that like if you're saying diet anybody,

776
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: it's always going to be a pejority.

777
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: But my point of it is is that the rich

778
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: man's Alex Smith.

779
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: I'm trying to decide at what point we can assess that,

780
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: and maybe we we just shouldn't and just sort of

781
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: let it play out, But I know that it's not

782
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: how we do things in society.

783
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: And society we have to have a label, we have

784
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: to have comparisons, heart, modify, qualify, right, So I.

785
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: Like it's all fair when you're saying, well, he hasn't

786
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: risen above whatever this bar I have for the comp

787
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: or the prior, and that's fire. I mean, he hasn't,

788
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: you know, And there are there are many stats, advanced

789
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: analytics or otherwise I would say he has not cleared

790
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: some of those bars. But then he keeps doing these

791
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: comebacks and he now is the first quarterback in history

792
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: to have what is a nine fourth quarter comebacks in

793
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: the first two seasons and he's still going. And that

794
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: that is also something that matters. It really does matter.

795
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: And I don't remember Derek Carr being that great at

796
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: that all the time.

797
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: Well he wasn't. That's why I put the badge on.

798
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: There is that Derek Carr, except these winner You know,

799
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: Derek Carr didn't have that dig deep in the fourth quarter.

800
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 2: And some of that was some of that was the

801
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 2: lack of talent that he's.

802
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 3: In the bad coaching he had, But in terms of

803
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 3: tools and archetypes and what he brings to the table

804
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff.

805
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: That's kind of what he is. You could win with

806
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: that if he got the right talent around it.

807
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I'm with you, and I'm not as

808
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,239
Speaker 1: down on Derek Carr as some but you understand here

809
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: in Broadcata.

810
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 3: And that's sort of the reason I'm hammering hut home

811
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 3: because it's a little bit antagonistic time you But I'm right, what, like,

812
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 3: Derek Carr was a decent quarterback and because he played

813
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 3: for the Raiders, nobody here's ever gonna admit that.

814
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: Well, he certainly gave the Broncos fits. I'm just say

815
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 2: it for you, like you should.

816
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 3: We should, we should look at that and be like, yeah,

817
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 3: I kind of gave us a tell for for a

818
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: couple of years, believe it or not.

819
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: He was better than people gave him credit for. But

820
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: he blamed with the Raiders. But when the bottom fell

821
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: out for Derek, carry fell out. I mean, but when

822
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: the bottom falls out from reute, look at Geno right now.

823
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: Gino was ball in the last couple of years. The

824
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: bottom fell out for him. No, but the bottom fell out,

825
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: and like he didn't have a very long career bottom

826
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: fell out. Well, those kinds of injuries that the end right,

827
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: you know, Rack, So that's that's where my mind goes,

828
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: is like, well, that's not that's not a franchise, long

829
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: term franchise quarterback. That is a guy that you probably

830
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: give a second contract to, but you're probably thinking about, well.

831
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: We have the benefit of hindsight with that.

832
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 3: With Derek Carr, you would have given you gave him

833
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 3: a second and you would have given him a third

834
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 3: contract in those cases if we know, all things being equal, and.

835
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: You had a lot of coaching change and like you said,

836
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,239
Speaker 1: turnover and they kept drafting the weirdest players around him.

837
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: So all that's fair. So back to Bonnicks, though I

838
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: don't know what it'll take. I do think that a

839
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: deep playoff run, and especially we're not hold on a

840
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: deep playoff run where he isn't just along for the

841
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: ride and I don't even think he's been quote unquote

842
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: along the ride.

843
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 3: Like that's the thing Like this, I know what it's

844
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 3: like to be entrenched in those those things. And what

845
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 3: you're going to get is excuses for why it happened.

846
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 3: He could he could win the next three Super Bowls,

847
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 3: and you're gonna have a well that great defense and

848
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 3: the coaching, the people who they people don't admit when

849
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 3: they're wrong. People just don't. And and so I mean,

850
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 3: and know we have fun with that here on the show.

851
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 3: But I'm looking right at you. I've had more than

852
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 3: plenty of off the air. I'm happy to have me

853
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 3: I'm wrong, like you know, I'll come right in here

854
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 3: and do it. But and I like this is gonna

855
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 3: sound weird. I like being wrong, you know, Like I

856
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 3: like having growth experiences. I like being able to learn

857
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 3: from something, you know, and that's how you learn. I'm

858
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 3: a said being wrong, but at the same time like

859
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 3: people who they don't like to be wrong, and they

860
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 3: will twist themselves into any number of pretzels, mental pretzels

861
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 3: to try to get themselves to continue to think they're right.

862
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 3: I liken it to the tebow phenomenon. Right that should

863
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 3: never have happened. None of that stuff should have been happened.

864
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 3: And I'm sitting here twisting myself in a knots. Well, Okay,

865
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 3: so we had this this and at the end of

866
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 3: the day, man, it's just it's football. The guy was

867
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 3: a great athlete. The ball happened to bounce the right way.

868
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 3: It all came together at the right time, that kind

869
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 3: of stuff with baul All as a starter in the NFL,

870
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 3: anybody who's trying to sell you otherwise an idiot, and

871
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 3: then you just go from there.