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Speaker 1: The following takes place between six pm and seven pm.

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Speaker 2: You want answers. I think I'm entitled you one answer.

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Speaker 3: You can't handle the truth, true, true, All right, let's

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Speaker 3: get too At six oh nine seven hundred WLW the

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Speaker 3: show RNL Carrier Sports Talk. It is presented by Kelsey

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Speaker 3: Chevrolet and hosted by me Lance McAllister. Let's Talk Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Bengals in Free Agency Day two. A quiet day two,

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Speaker 3: but a busy day one. My first guest covers the

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Speaker 3: Bengals for Local twelve dot com Local twelve. He is

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Speaker 3: all over it. He would be Richard Skinner and skinny

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Speaker 3: Man in terms of Brian Cook positional need age, production,

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Speaker 3: winning pedigree. He checks a lot of boxes, doesn't.

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Speaker 4: He He does. I mean the fact that he has

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Speaker 4: twenty two career miss tackles career in four years in

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Speaker 4: Kansas City and ginostone had twenty three last year is

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Speaker 4: all you need to know. I mean nine miss tackles

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Speaker 4: the last two years combined in thirty four games and

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Speaker 4: thirty four Sharks. Now, he's not a ball hawk. I

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Speaker 4: mean he doesn't have a lot of career receptions, but

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Speaker 4: he does check a lot of boxes. Super Bowl champ.

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Speaker 4: The local thing is in a checkbox. But it's a

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Speaker 4: cool thing, right, not just U see, but Mount Healthy

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Speaker 4: High School, all those things. I think it's a it's

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Speaker 4: a great fit. He plays angry, which is fun I'm

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Speaker 4: I'm that was it was him or Kobe Bryant. I thought,

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Speaker 4: I thought it's funny. I thought he would be way

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Speaker 4: more expensive than Kobe Bryant. He was slightly more expensive,

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Speaker 4: and Kobe went earlier in the day to Chicago yesterday.

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Speaker 4: So uh yeah, a great I think this is gonna

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Speaker 4: be a great signing when he puts puts ten to

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Speaker 4: paper sometime this later this week.

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Speaker 3: The other edition, boy a mafe who certainly gives them

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Speaker 3: some juice from a pass rush standpoint, maybe didn't bring

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Speaker 3: as much juice last year as he had in the

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Speaker 3: previous years in Seattle, but they got to like the opportunit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I know people are gonna look at the

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Speaker 4: two point zero sacks last year and go, was this

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Speaker 4: Shamar Stewart two point zero? And it's fair because that's

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Speaker 4: not very good. But when you look at his four

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Speaker 4: pass rush win rate and you compare it to Trey

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Speaker 4: Hendrickson in New Orleans, and Trey finally got opportunities last

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Speaker 4: year in New Orleans and produced to his credit. Boy

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Speaker 4: And Mafe two years ago had nine sacks when he

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Speaker 4: got more opportunity. And then Seattle said, you know what,

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Speaker 4: we think the Philadelphia model is a good model to follow,

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Speaker 4: and we're just gonna have a bunch of defensive linemen.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna rotate him through. They're all gonna feast off

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Speaker 4: of each other. And that's what they did. I mean,

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Speaker 4: Byron Murphy is a good player, but Byron's intensive tackle.

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Speaker 4: Byron had eight sacks last year, probably in part, I

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Speaker 4: don't know this for a fact, but probably in part

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Speaker 4: because of Boye Mafe. If you look at his PFF numbers,

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Speaker 4: and they're not the be all end all numbers, but

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Speaker 4: they're a metric, right. He ranked forty six of one

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Speaker 4: hundred and fifteenth edges last year or overall against the

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Speaker 4: run and the pass, and I think it's important to

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Speaker 4: note that it's against the run too. That wasn't a

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Speaker 4: great skill of Josepho's side. That was not a great

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Speaker 4: and so Boyam Mafe had that. He was forty eighth

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Speaker 4: That's pretty good. And as long as he's doing that,

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Speaker 4: and he's eventually getting to the quarterback. Going back to

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Speaker 4: I think if you can kick him inside and he

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Speaker 4: know talking to Al going at the combine, he wants

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Speaker 4: then your pass rush has been exponentially gotten better.

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Speaker 3: So Skinny, what would remain on your shopping list?

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Speaker 4: Well, linebacker for sure. I know talking to Al. In fact,

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Speaker 4: I asked out to Combine, how important is it to

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Speaker 4: I want the versatility of that. Leoshanal seems like a

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Speaker 4: And kay Ellis is thirty years old. So it feels

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Speaker 4: And that's where today everybody's freaking out. I think a

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Speaker 4: anything else. Today was market correction day in my opinion,

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Speaker 4: Like yes, it was like everybody knew where the market was.

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Speaker 4: Everybody said, let's here's our money, let's go get our guys,

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Speaker 4: And then today was okay, well, your money wasn't where

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Speaker 4: And it's been across the lead. I mean, this has

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Speaker 4: not been a very busy Tuesday free agency across the league.

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Speaker 4: There's been a handful of things, and I think some

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Speaker 4: people have come to a reckoning. I think Trey Hendrickson

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Speaker 4: has come to a reckoning of oh, you're not gonna

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Speaker 4: pay me thirty million year. No they're not. So let's

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Speaker 4: let's correct the market. And you know, if if Leoshan

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Speaker 4: be a little disappointed because I think that's where you're

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Speaker 4: at with this. That's one spot. I just don't think

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Speaker 4: there's enough defensive tackles in the marketplace. I think that's

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Speaker 4: gonna have to be corrected in the draft. And there's enough.

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Speaker 4: There's enough I don't want to call them second tier,

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Speaker 4: that's never fair, but there's enough second tier corners to

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Speaker 4: You know, if Caleb Downs is on the board, just

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Speaker 4: because they signed a safety doesn't mean they're not going

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Speaker 3: In my opinion, that was gonna be my follow up

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Speaker 3: your last point, And that's the question I'm getting more

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Speaker 3: Caleb Downs in any way change now that Cook, Brian

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Speaker 3: Cook is coming. Would it change how they view him

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Speaker 4: No, not my opinion, because you're the day John Anthony PJ.

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Speaker 4: Jules portion of the program. Tyson a free agent. They

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Speaker 4: didn't trust any of those backups last year to play

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Speaker 4: So a third safety, especially in this league now where

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Speaker 4: especially because Sean McVay keeps setting the marketplace with that

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Speaker 4: of Hey, we're gonna zig or you zag. No, I

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Speaker 4: don't think it changes anything. I think it's literally if

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Speaker 4: it's Ruben Bay and you think he's better. If it's

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Speaker 4: killed down, do you think he's better? If it's uh,

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Speaker 4: if it's Peter Woods and you think he's better. Uh,

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Speaker 4: And if it's a corner you think he's better. If

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Speaker 4: it's finally, you know, we addressed a bunch of those

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Speaker 4: think it changes any of that. So, no, it doesn't

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Speaker 3: You briefly touched on the defensive interior and they got

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Speaker 3: pretty picked over yesterday in free agency. What does does

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Speaker 3: DJ Reeder do anything for you, skinny?

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Speaker 6: Or are we.

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Speaker 3: Getting caught up in the uh the love affair of

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Speaker 4: He does and he doesn't. Because I just think if

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Speaker 4: you still have TJ. Slayton and McKinley Jackson the roster,

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Speaker 4: I don't know if they're better, but if you're if

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Speaker 4: you still have TJ. Slayton on the roster, because DJ's

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Speaker 4: a nose tackle. TJ. Slayton's a nose tackle. McKinley Jackson

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Speaker 4: And I think the only defensive tackle you could have

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Speaker 4: And as soon as he went, you saw the domino

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Speaker 4: out the west later. And so, yeah, if they cut TJ. Slayton,

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Speaker 4: I don't think they do, then I'm I'm in on

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Speaker 4: DJ reader. If they don't, it's six to one half

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Speaker 3: All right, you are all over this evolving free agency situation.

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Speaker 3: Tell listeners how they can read and follow along.

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Speaker 4: Yep, just go to Local twelve dot com, slash sports

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Speaker 4: or hit me up on the X at Local twelve, Skinny.

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Speaker 4: And I gotta say this. I didn't realize until he

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Speaker 4: called and he hung up on it. Didn't hang he

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Speaker 4: put me on hold really quickly. I want to say

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Speaker 4: hello to Russ Jackson, your producer, because he was my

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Speaker 4: producer back in the day and he is the best.

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Speaker 3: All the stories he could tell. Oh man, you know

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Speaker 3: one night I had to open I had to spend

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Speaker 3: the eight o'clock hour one night, just say, Rush, tell

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Speaker 3: me about the two angry guys or Bob Trumpy.

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Speaker 4: Here, Yeah, for sure, and vice versa. I just remember

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Speaker 4: about it all the times.

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Speaker 3: That is fantastic. Thanks Richard. All Right, there you go,

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Speaker 3: Richard Skinner, Skinny checking in from Local twelve, Local twelve

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Speaker 3: We're going to Kansas City at six thirty five with

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Speaker 3: a report on UC basketball. Terry Francona talks Hunter Green.

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Speaker 3: Coming up at six point fifty, we are a rolling

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Speaker 3: It's RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevallet. Seven

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Speaker 3: hundred WLW form of headlines. Welcome back to RNL Carrier

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Speaker 3: Sports talksented by Kelsey Chevallet. No Bengals free agent news today.

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Speaker 3: The Reds, meanwhile playing in the ninth in Arizona, lead

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Speaker 3: the Rockies eight to one. TJ Friedel three hits, including

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Speaker 3: Bearcats winners today in the Big twelve Tournament seventy three

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Speaker 3: the Inquirer Cincinnati dot Com. He has stopped the presses

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Speaker 8: They got the media spread out and there's it's like

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Speaker 8: Yeah, member, you know you sing the type you see them,

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Speaker 3: Scott the If you didn't fall, if you were watching,

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Speaker 8: And you know, he's still a freshman. That not every

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Speaker 8: Well, and you see, it's kind of like you see

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Speaker 3: You are on the scene, you're all over this. For

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Speaker 8: Cincinnati dot Com we did live updates today, live updates

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Speaker 8: a paper. Lance. That's what my mom did you know?

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Speaker 3: There you go. Well, I'm gonna let you go get food.

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Speaker 3: How's that?

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Speaker 8: I can't wait. I'm sure it's better than most places.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, Scott's here, all right, take care Bil. All right,

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Speaker 3: and I said, the game's probably gonna end, you know,

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Speaker 3: around four thirty or so for forty five, might start

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Speaker 3: even later because of the early game. I said, I don't,

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Speaker 3: I know, you've got stuff to do. I said, if

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Speaker 3: you can do six thirty, that'd be great. Otherwise we

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Speaker 3: could wait till eight thirty. And then he says, no,

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Speaker 3: he says, and I said, all right, then we'll do

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Speaker 3: six thirty five and play and b if needed will

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Speaker 3: be eight thirty five. Very much appreciate him. Checking in

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Speaker 3: with in and around all the work he's doing covering

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Speaker 3: the game, Bearcats wins seventy three sixty six, Take a

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Speaker 3: time out of come Back. Terry Francone talks Hunter Green

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Speaker 3: plus a developing situation in free agency that will not

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Speaker 3: make Bengal fans happy. That next a Carrier, Sports Talk

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Speaker 3: presented by Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred WW till seven, then

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Speaker 3: reds Hot Stove, then Sports Talk again from eight to

445
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Speaker 3: nine o'clock. Can you better believe I'll open up the lines.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk Hunter Green in the eight o'clock hour. Here's

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Speaker 3: the developing situation in NFL free agency. Not good news

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Speaker 3: if you were wanting. Leo Chanell, the former Chiefs linebacker,

449
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Speaker 3: has just signed with the Washington Commanders three years, twenty

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Speaker 3: four point seven to five million. According to NFL in

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Speaker 3: insider Jordan Schultz, Chanell's just twenty five, won two Super

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Speaker 3: Bowls in Kansas City, starter for forty four games, a

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Speaker 3: big time addition for the Washington Commanders, and he was

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Speaker 3: on the wish list. I think of any Bengal fan

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Speaker 3: who was interested enough to size up and kind of

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Speaker 3: break down free agency and thought, all right, they're gonna

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Speaker 3: need a more veteran linebacker to put with the two

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Speaker 3: rookies from a year ago. Leo Chanell was probably the

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Speaker 3: headliner on anybody doing that list. Now he is off

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Speaker 3: that list. Not the end in terms of opportunities. Still,

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Speaker 3: the Broncos released yesterday Drew greenlaw dude hits. He's still

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Speaker 3: out there, but Leo Chanel is out on his way

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Speaker 3: to the Washington Commanders. All right. The news of the

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Speaker 3: day reds wise. Hunter Green scheduled to have a scope

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Speaker 3: on his elbow tomorrow. They will remove bone, ships and

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Speaker 3: loose bodies. It is expected he will miss at least

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Speaker 3: fourteen to sixteen weeks. That would put him back somewhere

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Speaker 3: in July. I mean the factor in a rehab start

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Speaker 3: or two. You factor in the All Star break. We're

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Speaker 3: talking at some point in July. Terry Francota earlier today

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Speaker 3: with Tommy Thraw on the inside pitch saying this about

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Speaker 3: the Hunter news.

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Speaker 2: T know you got a little more clarity today on

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Speaker 2: the situation with Hunter. It sounds like buy and large

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Speaker 2: for the most part.

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Speaker 8: Good news.

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Speaker 3: Are you happy with the report?

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Speaker 6: You know, anytime you go in a pitcher's arm, you

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Speaker 6: know you'll worry because of what and tear and things

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Speaker 6: like that. The ligament was completely intact, which was good

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Speaker 6: news because he's already had it. Tommy John, there were

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Speaker 6: some loose bodies. They're going to take those out on Wednesday.

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Speaker 6: It's probably a you know, they say three to four

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Speaker 6: months before he's with us. I think the All Star

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Speaker 6: break is probably fair. We will miss him if we

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Speaker 6: can't survive without him, though, I don't think we were

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Speaker 6: good enough to begin with, so I think that's how

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Speaker 6: we look at it.

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Speaker 3: In terms of what's next plan and B who steps

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Speaker 3: up that trio of Louis Julian Aggie are Brandon Williamson

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Speaker 3: who pitched really well today three innings, just one hit

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Speaker 3: and no runs allowed, no walks. Ret Louder as well.

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Speaker 3: That was part of the question Tommy asked as a

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Speaker 3: follow up to Tito earlier today.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen when you look at those guys, all

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Speaker 2: of missed significant time last year, if not the entire season.

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Speaker 2: But you still see Aggie are Williamson obviously Louder. Do

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Speaker 2: you see these guys being able to help your team

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Speaker 2: with innings if need be this year?

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Speaker 6: Well they better? Yeah, but yes, yeah, I think we

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Speaker 6: really do. We're pleased with how they've done. You know,

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Speaker 6: we were trying every day to you know, like Williamson,

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Speaker 6: he's pitching in major league games. He's competing for the

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Speaker 6: first time in about fifteen months, and he's trying to

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Speaker 6: manage that five day rot You know that he hasn't

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Speaker 6: done in a while. So we just need to be

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Speaker 6: cognizant of that and not forget it, but also let

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Speaker 6: him compete because we don't want to get in his way.

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Speaker 2: There's no temptation right for a six man rotation, is there.

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Speaker 6: You know I kind of laugh when I see it

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Speaker 6: because I'm tempted to do anything I think can help

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Speaker 6: us win. I don't think that puts us in a position.

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Speaker 6: And the reason I say that is because if any pitchers,

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Speaker 6: and we're talking about a lot of youth in this

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Speaker 6: so there's going to be some outings that don't go

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Speaker 6: like you want. When that happens, it not only hurts

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Speaker 6: your chance to win that night, but for the next

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Speaker 6: three nights.

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Speaker 3: Terry francona earlier today reds Hot Stove League Show coming

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Speaker 3: up with Tommy and Jeff in a matter of minutes.

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Speaker 3: Brandon Williamson today to complete the line. Three innings, one hit,

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Speaker 3: no runs, no walks, three strikeouts. In three innings of work,

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Speaker 3: he threw forty three pitches. He threw twenty eight strikes.

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Speaker 3: He's made three starts in the spring, a total of

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Speaker 3: seven innings, earned run average two fifty seven, small sample size,

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Speaker 3: but nine strikeouts and those seven innings that I could

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Speaker 3: not be happier for Brandon Williams and love talking with

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Speaker 3: him at Redsfest, and the fact he's he's been kind

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Speaker 3: of on hold for two years and now healthy and

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Speaker 3: feeling good and throwing the baseball well. Hunter Green released

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Speaker 3: this statement late this afternoon on his social media platforms.

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Speaker 3: I will read it directly as he posted it. Deer fans,

533
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Speaker 3: I wanted you to hear directly from me on this.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to have a small procedure Wednesday, he clean

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Speaker 3: up some bone spurs in my right elbow. The discomfort

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Speaker 3: was there down the stretch last year, but because our

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Speaker 3: push to get to the playoffs was so important, I

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Speaker 3: recognized the moment and pushed through it like any player would.

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Speaker 3: Our medical staff did a great job treating my symptoms

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Speaker 3: as best they could throughout that time, trying to ensure

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Speaker 3: relief going into each At the end of the season,

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Speaker 3: I stayed back in Los Angeles to get an MRI

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Speaker 3: on my right elbow. Thankfully, my UCL was found to

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Speaker 3: be in great shape. This is why my velocity has

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Speaker 3: never changed. The MRI did find small fragments of bone

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Speaker 3: spurs and standard treatment was recommended. I felt no discomfort

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Speaker 3: a few days later, and as I started my off

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Speaker 3: season throwing program, I felt great. However, the pain returned

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Speaker 3: as I got close to the start of camp, as

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Speaker 3: I began throwing harder and manipulating pitches more. The irritation

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Speaker 3: in my elbow is affecting my ability to finish and

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Speaker 3: execute pitches without a sharp, stabbing pain. I simply need

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Speaker 3: to have the bone spurs removed. All I want to

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Speaker 3: do is play the game I love and compete with

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Speaker 3: my brothers as we take on the twenty twenty sixth season.

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Speaker 3: But it's important that this procedure take place now instead

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Speaker 3: of trying to pitch through it, not be sharp on

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Speaker 3: the mound and risk further injury. Trust me, he says,

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Speaker 3: nobody is more frustrated than I am. I still have

560
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Speaker 3: a lot that I want to accomplish for the team,

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Speaker 3: For the city. Getting to the playoffs was one of

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Speaker 3: those goals last year, and this year's goal is to

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Speaker 3: go much further. The team is an exciting and talented

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Speaker 3: group that's going to be a lot of fun to watch.

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Speaker 3: See you at the park soon, Hunter Green again, positive takeaway,

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Speaker 3: not Tommy John surgery. UCLA is clean. It's fine, if

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Speaker 3: I can say just. It's just going in and removing

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Speaker 3: bone chips. But again, timeline fourteen to sixteen weeks at least,

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Speaker 3: and by the time you factory in rehab and you know,

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Speaker 3: some other things we're looking probably after the All Star break.

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Speaker 3: More on that. Straight ahead, we'll check news than Red's

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Speaker 3: Hot Stove that I'm back at you from eight to

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Speaker 3: nine with a bonus follow up additional second hour. I

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Speaker 3: don't know what we're calling it a sports talk, but

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Speaker 3: I'll be here for it. This is RNL Carrier Sports

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Speaker 3: Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 1: The following takes place between eight at nine pm.

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Speaker 3: All right, it's me again. Here we go. You know,

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Speaker 3: I was thinking, I'm pretty sure I've done something like

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Speaker 3: this before. I couldn't tell you the last time, but

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Speaker 3: I'm back the Sports Talk Wrap around six to seven tonight,

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Speaker 3: then Red's hot stove, then you and me until nine tonight.

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Speaker 3: We've got an hour to go. Heck yeah, let's open

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Speaker 3: up the phone lines five, one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 3: seven thousand, one, eight hundred, the big one. We're talking reds, hundred, green,

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Speaker 3: and more. And I gotta tell you, I'm not planned

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Speaker 3: to mention this first, but I'm gonna now mention it

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Speaker 3: first because it's just developing. And oh my goodness, the

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Speaker 3: Las Vegas Raiders have just released a statement that reads

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Speaker 3: as follows. Quote the Baltimore Ravens have backed out of

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Speaker 3: our trade agreement for Max Crosby. We will have no

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Speaker 3: further comment at this time. End quote. What now? Think

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Speaker 3: about this for a second. The Raiders were working under

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Speaker 3: the assumption they had cleared thirty million in cap space

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Speaker 3: for this year on the contract of Crosby and three

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Speaker 3: more years. The Raiders yesterday, i want to say, had

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Speaker 3: had reached agreements not official until at least tomorrow, but

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Speaker 3: had reached agreements with eight different free agents, and now

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Speaker 3: are learning that the Ravens have decided we're out on

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Speaker 3: this for whatever reason that could be anything from a

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Speaker 3: physical not being passed to, I have no idea. That

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Speaker 3: is the one sentence statement issued by the Raiders moment

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Speaker 3: ago that has flipped the NFL absolutely upside down. What

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Speaker 3: do you do now? I mean, if you're the Ravens,

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Speaker 3: you retain your first round pick this year, what the

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Speaker 3: the fourteenth pick? And you retain your first round pick

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Speaker 3: the following year. So that's good. But if you're If

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Speaker 3: you're the Ravens, that's okay, you don't have Max Crosby.

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Speaker 3: But if you're the Raiders, you thought you had dealt

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Speaker 3: Max Crosby, You thought you had added two first round picks,

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Speaker 3: and you thought you had the financial wherewithal to go

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Speaker 3: out and add eight free agents yesterday. I'm no capologist.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand the inner workings of the salary cap.

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Speaker 3: It makes my eyes guys over. But wonder what the

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Speaker 3: eight players are being told right now who believe they're

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Speaker 3: going to be Raiders, And what are the Raiders telling them?

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Speaker 3: What are the Raiders being told by their cap people

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Speaker 3: that say, well, wait a minute, if we're adding money

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Speaker 3: back to our cap, we don't exactly have that money

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Speaker 3: to sign a bunch of those guys. Holy cow, that

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Speaker 3: that is incredible all right, But that's a national story.

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Speaker 3: Let's deal with the local story and the local story

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Speaker 3: with Hunter Green. And this is where you come in.

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Speaker 3: It's not good news. It's not the worst news. It's

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Speaker 3: just it's not good news. Hunter Green will have a

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Speaker 3: scope done on his elbow tomorrow to remove bone, chips

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Speaker 3: and loose bodies from his right elbow. He's expected to

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Speaker 3: miss fourteen at least fourteen to sixteen weeks. Probably you

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Speaker 3: toss in rehab starts. You're probably looking closer to after

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Speaker 3: the All Star Game that's mid July. First game out

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Speaker 3: of the All Star Break is July the seventeenth. That

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Speaker 3: would be the ninety seventh game of the season. It's

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Speaker 3: rounded off, Hunter Green looking at missing the first one

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Speaker 3: hundred games of the Red season. Let's work through what

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Speaker 3: has transpired and what the reaction is and what they're

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Speaker 3: gonna do about it. Hunter and Charlie Goldsmith all over this.

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Speaker 3: By the way, for Charlie Chalkboard, I can't say this enough.

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Speaker 3: What Charlie is doing with Charlie Chalkboard is free if

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Speaker 3: you sign up for his substack. These stories come to

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Speaker 3: you free in your email as soon as he writes them.

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Speaker 3: He has detailed the timeline of what has transpired with

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Speaker 3: Hunter Green and the elbow discomfort began in September, the

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Speaker 3: final month of the season. Now for some context, and

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Speaker 3: this is going a little bit. It's gonna get a

645
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Speaker 3: little complicated, it's gonna get a little wonky, and you're

646
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Speaker 3: gonna have questions and we're gonna talk about it. In

647
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Speaker 3: September of last year, when the elbow discomfort came up,

648
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Speaker 3: Hunter Green made five starts in September. His earned run

649
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 3: average was two sixty four. He threw a complete game,

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Speaker 3: one hit shutout in and around the discomfort. He was

651
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Speaker 3: their best pitcher in the month of September. If you remember,

652
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Speaker 3: there was a moment where the Reds could have moved

653
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Speaker 3: him up and pitched him earlier late in September so

654
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Speaker 3: he'd be available for Game one sixty two if needed,

655
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Speaker 3: and they didn't do that, And this was part of

656
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Speaker 3: what was going on, the elbow discomfort. So he has

657
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 3: the start of the playoffs. He's not good. We know that.

658
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Speaker 3: At the end of October, he met with one of

659
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Speaker 3: two doctors Red's medical director, Tim Kremchek, well former medical director.

660
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 3: He's retired from that role, but still involved obviously, and

661
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Speaker 3: doctor Neil Elatrosh, that is, for lack of a better phrasing,

662
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Speaker 3: Hunter's doctor in Los Angeles, and in late October, doctor

663
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Speaker 3: Neil Elatrosh recommended a treatment for Hunter. There was discomfort

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Speaker 3: in the elbow examined. It recommended what they call PRP injections,

665
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Speaker 3: its plasma injections, and according to Hunter, and documented in

666
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Speaker 3: the Charlie Goldsmith piece today, the injection helped. What they

667
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 3: opted to do the course of treatment helped. His elbow

668
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 3: felt fine in November and December and January. He went

669
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Speaker 3: the off season feeling fine. All systems go. A week

670
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 3: before pitchers and catchers spring training, the discomfort developed again.

671
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 3: The Reds were monitoring him early in camp. Then he

672
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 3: was a normal participant. He made a start. His first

673
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 3: springs training start was the eighth game of the spring

674
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Speaker 3: schedule for the Reds. That was on February the twenty eighth,

675
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Speaker 3: and he was hitting ninety nine on average, with his

676
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 3: fastball topped out at one hundred and one. But as

677
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 3: Nick Krawl told Charlie Goldsmith, you could tell he didn't

678
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Speaker 3: throw a splitter at all. He was having trouble pulling

679
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Speaker 3: his slider and two days after Hunter revealed he wasn't

680
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Speaker 3: recovering well at that point. After making that outing, he

681
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Speaker 3: was examined by doctor Tim Kremchek. He has flown to

682
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Speaker 3: La been examined by doctor Neil Elatrosh and both agreed.

683
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Speaker 3: Both agreed this procedure will be done to clean out

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Speaker 3: his elbow, the UCL, the ligament in the elbow, the

685
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 3: Tommy John ligament. That's fine, that's clean. This is going

686
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Speaker 3: in with a scope to the elbow in removing bone chips,

687
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 3: loose bodies floating around, and you could imagine when you're

688
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Speaker 3: throwing a baseball that hard and the torque and the

689
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 3: spin on the ball, those bone ships, those loose bodies

690
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 3: that are floating around sometimes float into a space. They

691
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Speaker 3: shouldn't be prevent full extension to your arm cause pain, discomfort.

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Speaker 3: You can understand that. So he will undergo the scope

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Speaker 3: tomorrow fourteen to sixteen weeks. Fourteen weeks would be mid June.

694
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Speaker 3: Sixteen weeks would be late June. But that I don't

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Speaker 3: believe factors in any rehab starts. You figure he needs

696
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Speaker 3: at least two rehab starts, so then we're kicking it

697
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Speaker 3: into July. The All Star games July the fourteenth, So

698
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 3: then you're probably thinking, all right, well, for that close

699
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Speaker 3: to the All Star break, no reason to rush him back.

700
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Speaker 3: So he returns in a perfect world knock on wood

701
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Speaker 3: after the All Star break, beginning sometime around July the seventeenth,

702
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: ninety seven games into the season. They're playing bes right now. Well,

703
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 3: you know it could be war. I've talked with more

704
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 3: than one who have mentioned you know, there's a lot

705
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Speaker 3: of teams who would feel pretty good if they lost

706
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 3: their race. Well, that would suck. They'd be able to

707
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Speaker 3: replace him with the seventh pickover all in the draft

708
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Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, and that potentially Rhet Louder.

709
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Speaker 3: But keep this in mind, Rhet Lauder's coming off an

710
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Speaker 3: injury last year and only through nine innings. Brandon Williamson

711
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 3: hasn't pitched in two seasons, pitching well in camp, but

712
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 3: hasn't pitched in the majors in two seasons. Luis Aggie

713
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 3: are pitching well in camp but coming off Tommy John surgery.

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Speaker 3: So there's a lot of guys who could be playing

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Speaker 3: Bees who are going to be monitored closely and limited

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Speaker 3: in the number of innings they're going to pitch at

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Speaker 3: some point in the season. So that's a whole lot

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Speaker 3: that I just put on the plate. Let's add Terry Francona,

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Speaker 3: who was asked by Tommy Throw earlier today, his reaction

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Speaker 3: to the news on Hunter Green.

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Speaker 2: I'll give it to you in just a second. This

722
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 2: was Tommy to Party today on the situation with Hunter.

723
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Speaker 2: It sounds like buying large for the most part.

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Speaker 8: Good news.

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Speaker 3: Are you happy with the report?

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Speaker 6: You know, anytime you go in a pitcher's arm, you

727
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 6: know you'll worry because of wear and tear and things

728
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 6: like that. The ligament was completely intact, which was good

729
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 6: news because he's already had it. Tommy John, there were

730
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Speaker 6: some loose bodies. They're going to take those out on Wednesday.

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Speaker 6: It's probably a you know, they say three to four

732
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Speaker 6: months before he's with us. I think the All Star

733
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Speaker 6: break is probably fair. We will miss him if we

734
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Speaker 6: can't survive without him, though I don't think we were

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Speaker 6: good enough to begin with, so I think that's how

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Speaker 6: we look at it.

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Speaker 3: Terry Francona earlier today with Tommy Throw on the inside pitch. Now,

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Speaker 3: let's advance to the next part of this the play

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Speaker 3: and be as I mentioned and the idea of if

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Speaker 3: we assume Chase Burns is in the rotation, you need

741
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Speaker 3: to replace Hunter Green in the rotation, and that could

742
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Speaker 3: be I think the front runner would be considered Ret Louder.

743
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Speaker 3: There's still Brandon Williamson, There's still Julian Aggie Are at

744
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Speaker 3: some point as a possibility. Tommy Thrall asked Tito about

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Speaker 3: those names.

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Speaker 2: When you look at those guys all of this significant

747
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: time last year, if not the entire season, but do

748
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Speaker 2: you still see Aggie Are, Williamson obviously Louder. Do you

749
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Speaker 2: see these guys being able to help your team with

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Speaker 2: innings if need be this year?

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Speaker 6: Well they better yeah, but yes, yeah, I think we

752
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 6: really do. We're pleased with how they've done. You know,

753
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Speaker 6: we were trying every day to you know, like Williamson,

754
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Speaker 6: he's pitching in major league games. He's competing for the

755
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Speaker 6: first time in about fifteen months, and he's trying to

756
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Speaker 6: manage that five day rota. You know that he hasn't

757
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Speaker 6: done in a while. So we just need to be

758
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 6: cognizant of that, not forget it, but also let him

759
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Speaker 6: compete because we don't want to get in his way.

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Speaker 2: There's no temptation right for a six man rotation is there?

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Speaker 6: You know, I kind of laugh when I see it,

762
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Speaker 6: because I'm tempted to do anything I think can help

763
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Speaker 6: us win. I don't think that puts us in a position.

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Speaker 6: And the reason I say that is because if any pitchers,

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Speaker 6: and we're talking about a lot of youth in this

766
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Speaker 6: so there's going to be some outings that don't go

767
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Speaker 6: like you want. When that happens, it not only hurts

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Speaker 6: your chance to win that night, but for the next

769
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Speaker 6: three nights.

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Speaker 3: Terry Francona earlier today, yet they're not going for whatever

771
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Speaker 3: reason people want him to go to a six man rotation,

772
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Speaker 3: they're not going to a six man rotation. Tito laid

773
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Speaker 3: out at least one of many reasons why that's not

774
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Speaker 3: going to take place. But it is our starting point

775
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Speaker 3: for conversation tonight. And there's a couple of things I

776
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Speaker 3: think we need to get into, including this comment from

777
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Speaker 3: Terry Francona to Charlie Goldsmith in the story in Charlie's

778
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Speaker 3: chalkboard quote he meaning Hunter. He never told me directly

779
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Speaker 3: about the elbow discomfort. I know he had mentioned it

780
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Speaker 3: to pitching coach Derek Johnson. The trainers were never going

781
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Speaker 3: to send somebody out there if they shouldn't pitch or play.

782
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Speaker 3: And that refers to the discomfort that popped up in September.

783
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Speaker 3: In the month of September, that Hunter pitched through and

784
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Speaker 3: pitched really well through, better than any Red's pitcher, but

785
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 3: Tito saying publicly it was told to Derek Johnson, but

786
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Speaker 3: not told to him directly. And I'll add to this

787
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 3: cauldron of very interesting stuff. You know how miffed Hunter

788
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 3: was by what was written in a couple of different

789
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Speaker 3: outlets from Mark Sheldon MLB dot com Jason Williams the Inquirer,

790
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 3: writing and alluding to things they were being told by

791
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Speaker 3: those in the organization unnamed that were wondering about Hunter's

792
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 3: quote unquote slow play of his injury and why he

793
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Speaker 3: wasn't coming back and why he had missed that extended

794
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 3: stretch with a hip. So there's clearly a separation, a disconnect,

795
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 3: a distrust of some level. And then we add to

796
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 3: it that Hunter went to LA and it was doctor

797
00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 3: Neil Elatrosh who recommended the PRP injection, not the Reds

798
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Speaker 3: and doctor Tim Kremchek. And on another hand, you would argue, well,

799
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Speaker 3: how that plan worked, that doctor Neil Elatros had him

800
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Speaker 3: do need surgery. Should have had surgery at the end

801
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 3: of October and we wouldn't be talking about this. And

802
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 3: yet no athlete ever, ever wants to be cut on.

803
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 3: You try everything possible to avoid it. And that plan

804
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 3: had him feeling fine in November, December, and January. If

805
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,959
Speaker 3: they had known then that it wasn't going to work

806
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 3: and they weren't going to feel good over the next

807
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 3: three months, there'd be a much greater argument for you

808
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 3: should have.

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Speaker 2: Done it then.

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Speaker 3: The man. Oh, let's talk about this. Next RNL Carrier

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Speaker 3: Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevallet seven hundred WLW Green.

812
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Speaker 3: We're talking Max Crosby as well Lance McAllister Sports Talk

813
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Speaker 3: on Facebook jump into the phones with you and react

814
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,959
Speaker 3: to what has transpired today with the Reds and Hunter

815
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Speaker 3: Green and Richmond, Indiana, home of one of the best

816
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 3: high school basketball players I ever watched, Woody Austin back

817
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Speaker 3: in the day in the Richmond Red Devils. All right, Jimmy,

818
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 3: you were on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 4: Yeah again, you guys are dancing.

820
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Speaker 8: Around the question why listen to mri den.

821
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Speaker 3: Last fall well wait, we went through Oh wait, wait wait,

822
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Speaker 3: I just went through that in the last segment they did,

823
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Speaker 3: and they recommended the PRP injection that had him feeling

824
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Speaker 3: fine for the next three months. So they did.

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Speaker 5: Who gets fired?

826
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Speaker 8: For went?

827
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Speaker 3: Jimmy? Did you didn't understand? You didn't hear what I said?

828
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Speaker 3: Let me say it again. He was examined in late

829
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Speaker 3: October by doctor Neil Elatrosh, his LA doctor, who recommended

830
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Speaker 3: a course of treatment. That course of treatment had hunter

831
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Speaker 3: Green feeling fine with no discomfort. In November December, January,

832
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 3: and a week before Pictures and Catchers, he began experiencing

833
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 3: discomfort again.

834
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Speaker 8: Was it an MRI.

835
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Speaker 3: It was? I I don't know it was. It was

836
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Speaker 3: a Peter, I know, I don't know if it was

837
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 3: or not. Jimmy, why are you yelling at me? I

838
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 3: don't understand. You're you want somebody fired right out of

839
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 3: the chute. I don't know what you want. I I

840
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 3: can only tell you what I know. His doctor recommended

841
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 3: their course of treatment, and I said this. I'll say

842
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: this till I'm blue in the face. Of all the

843
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 3: things Joey Vado told me years ago when he did

844
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 3: a weekly segment with me. It was the time he'd

845
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 3: had the knee surgery and Joey in an offseason called

846
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 3: in once a week on the show and we took

847
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: phone calls and it was fantastic, And of all the

848
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Speaker 3: things he said, he said to me, no athlete ever

849
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Speaker 3: wants to get cut on, he says, because once you're

850
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 3: cut on, you are never the same me. An athlete

851
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 3: will try everything possible to find a solution to a

852
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 3: problem before they actually have what's gonna happen tomorrow he

853
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 3: gets cut on, or in this case a scope to

854
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:19,479
Speaker 3: get inside the elbow. The point being Hunter, if you've

855
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 3: had Tommy John surgery and you've had the injuries Hunters had,

856
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 3: the last thing you want to do is what have

857
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 3: another surgery? And so the course of action in late

858
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: October by doctor Neil Elatrosh resulted in the discomfort going

859
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 3: away and he felt fine for three months. So at

860
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 3: that point, what would you have been thinking if you're

861
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 3: Hunter Green and his doctor. Wow, man, we dodged a bullet.

862
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 3: Look at that. You feel good. It's a good thing.

863
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 3: Three months ago, we didn't have a scope and cut

864
00:45:55,480 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 3: into your elbow because we've got three months of feeling fine,

865
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 3: and then the discomfort came back, and that sucks. But

866
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 3: I'm not making this up. Who in their right mind

867
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 3: would say surgery first. I don't want to try anything else.

868
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 3: Just cut me, Mick, cut me. I get why Hunter

869
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 3: didn't want to have surgery. I get why his surgeon

870
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 3: wouldn't want to have surgery. And after three months that

871
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 3: look like a great decision. Now I'd like to have

872
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 3: those three months back, obviously, But there's something else wonky

873
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 3: going on here. There's a clear disconnect between the two sides,

874
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 3: and I think it's safe to say they don't trust

875
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 3: each other. I also think it's safe to say Mark

876
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 3: Sheldon and Jason Williams did not make up the stuff

877
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 3: that they wrote. They were being told that by people

878
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 3: in the REDS organization. That's why they wrote it. So

879
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 3: if you're a Hunter Green and you the people in

880
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 3: the organization saying that about your character, how would you

881
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 3: feel the second layer to all of this bottom line

882
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 3: you're looking probably mid July at the earliest, and that

883
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 3: really bites I'm way lay for news. It's Arnel Carryer,

884
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 3: Sports Talk, fors Gona buy Kelsey Chevalley seven hundred wlw

885
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 3: oh Man what a day one to day, one to day,

886
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 3: Let's see if it's today is Tuesday, so Gary Jeff

887
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 3: Walker at nine tonight the nightcap, nine to midnight. This

888
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 3: is the sports talk wrap around with Red's hot stove

889
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 3: in the middle and all heck breaking loose on the

890
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 3: Reds front with Hunter Green. The Baltimore Ravens have said

891
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 3: Max Crosby failed his physical. They are out. They have

892
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 3: backed out of the trade with the Raiders. The Raiders

893
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 3: have Max Crosby and have some splaining to do to

894
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 3: the eight free agents. They reached verbal agreements with nothing official.

895
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 3: None of this was official. The trade wasn't official, The

896
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 3: signings aren't even official. Nobody has signed anybody through free agency.

897
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 3: This is just what they call the legal tampering period.

898
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 3: Red's win today eight to won the final. TJ. Friedel

899
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 3: Big Day. Three hits, including this three run bomb.

900
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 2: And from the belt. The right hander's won one swung

901
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: on and this ball is hit high in the air

902
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 2: and deep right field, back back at the wall.

903
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 7: He leaps.

904
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: It's gone, a three run blast from TJ. Friedel. Out

905
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: of here to write, Freedel's on the home run board

906
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: this spring. It's his verse boy you almost got the

907
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: scents from Friedel after taking those first two pitches away

908
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 2: that he was looking for that breaking ball coming into him.

909
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 3: Also big day, will Benson two hits, a double, homer,

910
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 3: scored a couple. Here is the big fly for the Rockies.

911
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 3: Four to five games. They still lose one hundred and fifty.

912
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 3: Go oh, I don't think he got it.

913
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 2: Swings in sky's it high in the air, flirting with

914
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 2: three ninety. He got it. It's gone a high, majestic blast,

915
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 2: just over the three nineties sign and deep right center field.

916
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 2: The third home run of the afternoon for the Reds.

917
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 7: Boy, those are two really smooth swings by Benson, not

918
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 7: over torking, not swinging where his helmet falls off, and

919
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 7: he just put the barrel on the baseball. The first

920
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 7: time he had a double, very similar spot. This time

921
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 7: he gets it out of the ballpark. Eight won the

922
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 7: final Reds win.

923
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 3: Reds Win. Brandon Williamson three innings, one hit, three strikeouts.

924
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 3: That's it. Rees Hines zero for three with three strikeouts.

925
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 3: Tough day for him. He's had a great camp and

926
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 3: the Pride of Saint ex Trevor Kunsel another scoreless out

927
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 3: and got two outs and now unscored upon in four

928
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 3: spring appearances. Good for him. All right back to the phones.

929
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 3: Uh the caller, and I think it was Richmond was

930
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 3: all worked up about MRIs. All I can tell you

931
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 3: is on two occasions there were MRIs done. I know

932
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 3: that's not going to satisfy your angs for wanting somebody fired,

933
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 3: but they had one this time, and in Hunter's own words,

934
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 3: he had one at the end of the season. So

935
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 3: I don't know what. I don't know how that's going

936
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 3: to change your mind because what was revealed was part

937
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 3: of leading to a decision to go with PRP injections.

938
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna say this again and I'll stay it

939
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 3: slowly for the next three months. His elbow felt fine.

940
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 3: One week before camp started, he felt discomfort return. He'll

941
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:51,439
Speaker 3: undergo a scope tomorrow. Let's go back out to the phones.

942
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 3: If you get a chance, if you follow a Hunter

943
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 3: on social media, or if you don't, look for his

944
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 3: long address to the fans about what this process has

945
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 3: been like, step by step, and his hopes and dreams

946
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 3: and wishes coming out of it, all of that through

947
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 3: his Twitter feed earlier today and on Instagram, trenton we go, Hey, Michael.

948
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 3: Welcome to seven hundred WLW.

949
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 9: Hey, Lance, thanks for taking my call. I'll be as

950
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 9: quick as I can. The last red Fest before the

951
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 9: shutdown of the Convention Center, I got my great nephew.

952
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 9: My brother had passed away and that was his only grandson.

953
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 9: And he's a nice little ballplayer up here in Madison Township.

954
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,959
Speaker 9: He's a freshman up here at Madison. Well, anyway, we're

955
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 9: walking all over and just six flooring around. He'd never

956
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 9: been got him a Tucker Barnhart beat. And we went

957
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 9: upstairs and we looked in this room and it was

958
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 9: for season ticket holders only. Connor Green was signing autographs

959
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 9: and we looked in there and the two girls. Nobody

960
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 9: was in there. It was over and Hunter was sitting

961
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 9: at a table with a lady in a blue blazer,

962
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 9: and the two little guards were there, and they said, well,

963
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 9: you can't go in there, and I said really, I said,

964
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 9: you know, I'm standing here with my twelve year old

965
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 9: great nephew. No one around, not a he can't get

966
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 9: his rgraph And they said no. And Hunter Green heard

967
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 9: our conversation and he stood up and he goes, hey,

968
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 9: little man, come here. Aiden walked down to him, walked right,

969
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 9: he come. You met him halfway through the room. He said,

970
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 9: come in, and he took his baseball and he signed

971
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 9: his baseball, asked him what position he played, just talked

972
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 9: to him. I just want to say, I'll be seventy

973
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 9: four in April. I'm a Hunter Green fan. I hope

974
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 9: nothing but the best for him. And you know, I

975
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 9: just wanted to share that with all the Reds fans,

976
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 9: that that's what kind of I think he is.

977
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 3: Michael, I'm glad you were listening, and I'm really glad

978
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 3: you shared that story. Thank you.

979
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 8: All right, Lance, a great evening.

980
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 3: Let me give you three paragraphs from Hunter, and I'll

981
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 3: do this as quickly as I can from his statement today,

982
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 3: because I think the key first sentence is I want

983
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 3: you to hear directly from me on this. This is

984
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 3: from Hunter Deer fans. I'm going to have a small

985
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 3: procedure Wednesday to clean up some bone spurs in my

986
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 3: right elbow. The discomfort was there down the stretch last season,

987
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 3: but because of our push to get to the playoffs

988
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 3: was so important, I recognized the moment and pushed through

989
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 3: it like any player would. Our medical staff did a

990
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 3: great job treating my symptoms as best they could throughout

991
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 3: that time, trying to ensure relief going into each start.

992
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 3: At the end of the season, I stayed back in

993
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 3: Los Angeles to get an MRI on my right elbow. Thankfully,

994
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 3: my UCL was found to be in great shape. This

995
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 3: is why my velocity has never changed. The MRI did

996
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 3: find small fragments of bone spurs and standard treatment was recommended.

997
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 3: I felt no discomfort a few days later, and as

998
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 3: I started my off season throwing program, I felt great. However,

999
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 3: the pain returned as I got close to the start

1000
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 3: of camp in February, as I began throwing harder and

1001
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 3: manipulating pitches. The irritation of my elbow is affecting my

1002
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 3: ability to finish and execute pitches without a sharp, stabbing pain.

1003
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 3: I simply need to have the bone spurs removed. All

1004
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 3: I want to do is play the game I love

1005
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 3: and compete with my brothers. Is we take on the

1006
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 3: twenty twenty sixth season. But it's important that this procedure

1007
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 3: take place now instead of trying to pitch through it,

1008
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 3: not be sharp on the mound and risk further injury.

1009
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 3: Trust me, nobody is more frustrated than I am. Part

1010
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 3: of the statement from Hunter Green earlier today Montgomery, we go, Mark,

1011
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 3: You're on seven hundred WLW.

1012
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 10: Hey, Lance, you know that previous call was one of

1013
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 10: somebody fired, got me all worked up. You know, first

1014
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 10: of all, Hunter Green is using a doctor in La

1015
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 10: doctor el.

1016
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 3: I don't know how you.

1017
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 10: Pronounce that, Ela tro Ela Trott, Yes, who has probably

1018
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 10: looked and done more elbows and most Dennis look at tea,

1019
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 10: you know, And I mean he's he's part of the

1020
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 10: Curl and Job clinic there, which you know, Job is

1021
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 10: the guy that invented the procedure. So if he recommended

1022
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 10: a pet, you know, an injection from that guy, that's

1023
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 10: what you go with. I mean, this guy is probably

1024
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 10: the best guy you could see. And my guess is

1025
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 10: that Hunter's probably had those bone spurs in there for

1026
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 10: a while. Those things just don't appear.

1027
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 5: You know.

1028
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 10: I had bone spurs in my shoulder and I ended

1029
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 10: up had a shoulder replacement three years ago, and you know,

1030
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 10: and those bone spurs were there a long time, and

1031
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 10: really I had some injections in there. And it really

1032
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 10: gets down to any of that of how you know,

1033
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 10: what's your pain tolerance and you know, when the tolerance

1034
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 10: gets to the point where you can't do what you

1035
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,720
Speaker 10: want to do, whether it's pitching or sleeping or whatever

1036
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 10: it is, that's when you get the procedure done. So uh,

1037
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 10: you know, and if the doctor recommended an injection, you know,

1038
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 10: that's good enough for men.

1039
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 3: Think about it and think about it. From that point forward.

1040
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 3: Hunter spent the rest of the offseason feeling great.

1041
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 5: Well.

1042
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 10: I mean, you know, I mean it's easy to go

1043
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 10: criticize the Reds ownership, the management, the doctor because I mean, look,

1044
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 10: there's plenty of things you can criticize the Reds about

1045
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 10: over the years. I don't think this is one of them, though,

1046
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 10: And you know, the bottom line is the procedures here

1047
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 10: and whatnot. It's really up to the player. It's his

1048
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 10: final choice, you know. The Reds ownership or management can't

1049
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 10: say you're having it or else. If you look at

1050
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 10: that players the players agreement, their union agreement, the player

1051
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 10: has the final decision on it regardless. So you know,

1052
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 10: I just think Hunter is just unfortunate. He's a guy

1053
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 10: who's probably going to have always have some injury problems

1054
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 10: and that's just the way it is, and just for

1055
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 10: the just for everybody's information. You know, I looked at

1056
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 10: the injury list again today of all the teams, and

1057
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 10: I counted one hundred and twelve pitchers that are current

1058
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 10: not pitching sounds. Some of them are, some of them

1059
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 10: are out till May, some of them are out till June,

1060
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 10: some of them aren't pitching till the end of April.

1061
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 10: And to me, the bigger question here is why all

1062
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 10: these pitching injuries consistently over the years. Nobody's asking that question.

1063
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 3: Well, no, I think they are right. I think they

1064
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 3: are I think they're not coming up with the the

1065
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 3: way to fix it. Mark, thanks for the call. I mean,

1066
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 3: it's it's been the study around Major League Baseball for

1067
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 3: years because every team that's spending money is saying, why

1068
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 3: are we having guys spend so much time on the il?

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Speaker 3: And that's that's throwing harder than we ever had before,

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Speaker 3: more torque, more strain, more pitches, you name it, throwing

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Speaker 3: at a younger age herder. There's a whole a whole

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00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 3: nother like uh, ESPN special documentary and all of that.

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00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 3: That that is certainly that's like front and center trying

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00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 3: to figure out how to fix it. But again I'll

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00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 3: say this. Show me any athlete who in front of

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00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 3: a doctor, the doctor says we can try this or

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00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 3: I can cut you. Do you show me the athlete

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00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 3: who says, yeah, go ahead and cut me. I don't

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Speaker 3: want to try the other thing first. It just it

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00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 3: boggles my mind why people think an athlete should rush

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00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 3: to be cut on. I just don't get. Would you

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00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 3: rush to be cut on? I wouldn't. I've had my

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00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 3: chest cut open. I wouldn't want that if there was

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00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 3: another choice. But they said we need to put a

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00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 3: pacemaker in. I just I just don't get the mentality

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00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 3: of it. There's something about Hunter Green that people just

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00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 3: some just don't like. He's never going to catch any

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00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 3: slack whatsoever because he just bothers people for some reason.

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00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 3: And I don't know if it's because he's rich or

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00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:35,919
Speaker 3: he's hurt or both. But do you think he's doing

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00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 3: it on purpose? Mason we go Ken, you were on

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Speaker 3: seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Lance taking a call. It's a great topic you're

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00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 5: talking about, Lance. I've been operated on by doctor Krimschek twice, shoulder, elbow.

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00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 5: You know, in the bonce Furst situation, the shots took

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00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 5: away his pain lance during the offseason, and I doubt

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00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 5: he was throwing a whole lot in October in November,

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00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 5: and that's why he felt no pain. Then all of

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00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 5: a sudden again when he starts to throw, he feels pain.

1100
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 5: Is elbow starts to swell up a little bit. Those

1101
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 5: spurs cut against attendons. That's what the pain comes from.

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Speaker 5: When you said before, something's not ending up, I'm telling

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00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,439
Speaker 5: you it doesn't add up. I'd like to hear from

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00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 5: doctor Elatrosh exactly what he did or didn't say. And

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00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 5: I agree with what you want.

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00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 2: I don't.

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00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 3: I don't understand what what what does that mean? Because

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00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 3: I mean Hunter obviously did what he recommended, So what

1109
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 3: what would he have said? What would he have said?

1110
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 5: Let me give you I'd rather have the shots and

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00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 5: get cut.

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00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 3: Okay, So but you said you'd really like to know

1113
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 3: what he said.

1114
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 5: He must have said that, right, I'd like to know

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00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 5: what doctor Elatrosh said.

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00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 3: Yes, that's so way way wait wait wait wait wait

1117
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 3: wait wait wait wait wait wait wait. Are we agreeing

1118
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 3: that doctor Neil Latrosh recommended the PRP and Hunter agreed,

1119
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 3: or are you saying that Hunter went against the advice

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00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 3: of doctor Neil.

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Speaker 5: Elatrosh No, I think Hunter reckoned into the doctor Ella Trudge.

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01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 5: I want the shots first, Okay.

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Speaker 3: So then we go so we know then that they

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01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 3: agreed on that and move forward. I guess, well, because

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Speaker 3: you're casting a dispersion on the doctor or or Hunter,

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01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 3: I'm trying to tell I'm trying to figure out which one.

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01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 3: Who don't you believe?

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Speaker 5: I don't. I don't think it all adds up.

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01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 3: I don't know you've said that, But who do you

1130
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 3: believe is lying?

1131
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 5: I don't think necessarily they're either one line lance Okay,

1132
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 5: I'm trying to tell you he should have had the

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01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 5: spurs removed.

1134
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 3: Okay, So why do you believe doctor Why do you

1135
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 3: believe his doctor said let's do the p r P

1136
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 3: And why do you believe Hunter said let's go ahead

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01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 3: and do that.

1138
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 5: I think doctor Elatrush told him that was an option.

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01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 8: Okay.

1140
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 5: I think that's what doctor Olatrush said. Okay, when he

1141
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 5: came down to who I think was lying? I think

1142
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 5: Hunter's lying. Then why why do you think he would

1143
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 5: give you a parallel?

1144
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 3: But tell me, why do you think he would lie?

1145
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 9: Hello?

1146
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 3: You just okay, so you think it's hunter, who's lying.

1147
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 3: But you don't know why he would lie, is what

1148
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 3: you're telling me.

1149
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 5: I don't think he wanted to be cut on?

1150
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 3: Well, who would be cut on?

1151
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 5: He should have been cut off.

1152
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I can't, I just can't. I just

1153
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 3: he should have been cut on by Ken and Mason.

1154
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 3: I need to take a time out. I might I

1155
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 3: need a drink. It is eight point fifty two. It's

1156
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Speaker 3: RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey sherblat seven hundred

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Speaker 3: WLW All right, where did the hour go? I could

1158
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 3: use that extra hour tonight, although I have a feeling

1159
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 3: I might pass out if I had an extra hour.

1160
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 3: Jared on Twitter says Plance Bacallister are getting yelled at

1161
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 3: non stop on seven hundred for no reason. Is making

1162
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Speaker 3: my night. WTF is going on? I don't know. It

1163
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 3: all started with mister Richmond out of the shoot, but

1164
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 3: within the first six seconds wanted somebody fired, saying there

1165
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 3: was no MRI and I can only tell you there

1166
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 3: were two MRIs, so I maybe he wanted one and

1167
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 3: because they had two, he was upset with that. I

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Speaker 3: just I don't understand anything that's unfolded tonight. I've always said,

1169
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Speaker 3: there is a fascinating undercurrent that would make for a

1170
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Speaker 3: fascinating case study of why there is so much built

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Speaker 3: in dislike of Hunter Green and it happens with Joe

1172
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Speaker 3: Burrow as well. Do you think Joe Burrow or Hunter

1173
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Speaker 3: Green want to get hurt? Do you think they're being

1174
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 3: hurt on purpose? I just I'm stunned. How what is

1175
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 3: the insensitive or uncaring or just nonchalant? Just how easy

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Speaker 3: it is to question people's character because they got hurt.

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Speaker 3: And somebody tell me today that Hunter Green should give

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01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 3: his money back? What should Joe Burrow give his money back?

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Speaker 8: Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what that means. Drives me crazy, all right,

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Speaker 3: I gotta get out of here. It's nine o'clock. Part

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Speaker 3: of me says thank you, thanks to Russ Jackson for producing.

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01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 3: I'm off tomorrow. I'm taking time to recover. No, it's

1184
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Speaker 3: Xavier basketball at six o'clock. I'll catch you on Thursday night.

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Speaker 3: We can resume all this at six o'clock. Stick Around

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01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,360
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