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Speaker 1: talk station. The continuous theme here though, on this fifty

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Speaker 1: five KRSE morning show. What's going on in the city

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Speaker 1: of Cincinnati. And welcome back to the fifty five Carsite

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Speaker 1: Morning Show. Always a pleasure, Liz Keating, former counselman. She's

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Speaker 1: running again. We hope she gets elect at least I do,

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Speaker 1: Jus Dreker does. Andre Ewing's got your back, Liz Keating,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the fifty five cars Morning Show. It's

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Speaker 1: a pleasure to have you back on the show.

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Speaker 2: Is thanks for having me. It's always a pleasure to

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Speaker 2: be on.

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Speaker 1: Well, and we're excited, and we hope that the voters

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Speaker 1: give you another shot. At very turbulent times and politics

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Speaker 1: in downtown Cincinnati, and surprising, I think me and everybody

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Speaker 1: else who fully is aware of how blue the city

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Speaker 1: is in terms of its democratic leanings. May I have

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Speaker 1: to have parvol seems to be scrambling to respond to

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Speaker 1: the crime problem at least that we've gotten downtown Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: But a little late in the day, as we get

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Speaker 1: closer and closer, I'm only a few weeks away from voting.

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Speaker 1: But he's getting it seems to have. He's gone into

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Speaker 1: overdrive mode. And now we have this additional wrinkle that

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Speaker 1: maybe Police Chief Teresa Thiji might get fired. What's your

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Speaker 1: reactions as you see things unfold.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a little too late. You know, people,

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Speaker 2: the residents of Cincinnati have long been saying they don't

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Speaker 2: feel safe. We've seen violent crime continue to tick up,

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Speaker 2: and we've heard council members. I mean, we've had candidate forums.

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Speaker 2: There's been canet forums several weeks, for many weeks leading

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Speaker 2: up to the selection, and they're incumbent council members who

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Speaker 2: consistently say that these candet forums, everything is fine, we're

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Speaker 2: lying about crime. Crime is going down, nothing to see here,

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Speaker 2: And they didn't want to face the facts. They didn't

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Speaker 2: want to admit what was going on. They didn't want

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Speaker 2: to listen to residents who are saying, I just don't

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Speaker 2: feel safe. Let alone. We know news every morning there's

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Speaker 2: been shooting after shooting after shooting, and they don't do anything.

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Speaker 2: And now all of a sudden they're panicking and trying

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Speaker 2: to make changes right before an election. This is not

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Speaker 2: how we want our city to be run. We need

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Speaker 2: leaders who are willing to face the facts and take

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Speaker 2: action right away, not try to hide it until it's

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Speaker 2: too late leading up to an election. I just want

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Speaker 2: better leadership, and we need change in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: Well the way, and I guess looking just at the

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Speaker 1: issue of the police chief, I don't personally blame police

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Speaker 1: She is working with a contingent of police officers, which is,

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Speaker 1: at least, as we understand it, a couple of hundred

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Speaker 1: less than what we could fully use in downtown Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: But given the way the police chiefs are appointed and fired,

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Speaker 1: that that power rests soling the hands of the mayor

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Speaker 1: and the city manager, neither of whom know anything about policing.

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Speaker 1: Generally speaking, I don't know how what their role in,

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Speaker 1: the knowledge and the skills necessary to select a good

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Speaker 1: police chief. But the political reality of that is that

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Speaker 1: the police chiefs beholden to the political whims of those

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Speaker 1: two people, which are not in the interest of the

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Speaker 1: police department. I don't think in the interests of the

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Speaker 1: city of Cincinnati. Voters will decide that. But should we

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Speaker 1: go back to the way it was before Issue five

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Speaker 2: Liz, I think yeah, I think that is a very

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Speaker 2: valid point. Ken Korber has been very loud about that

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Speaker 2: as well, to give that buffer. So for the listeners

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Speaker 2: who don't know what that means, that means we could

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Speaker 2: potentially have a situation right now. The city manager can

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Speaker 2: can fire the police chief or the fire chief, you know,

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Speaker 2: any time for any reason. The mayor can fire the

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Speaker 2: city manager. But to put a little buffer in place,

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Speaker 2: to require a vote of city council, say seven votes

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Speaker 2: gives them a little buffer to actually do their job

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Speaker 2: to the political powers and and have to deal with

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Speaker 2: the politicization of their jobs. I really like that idea,

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Speaker 1: Well, I suppose on some level, given the nature of

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's like blaming yourself if you fire her.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you have to have elected officials that are

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Speaker 2: The fact that we are waiting this long to start

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Speaker 2: going after people who are breaking the law, even minor infractions,

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Speaker 2: is absolutely mind boggling to me. I mean, people have

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Speaker 2: and then to just here this week saying Okay, we're

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Speaker 2: and not let politics get in the way of that.

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Speaker 1: Amen to that. And then if they are left to

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Speaker 1: we let her run the show and she failed at that.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna find somebody that does a better job, that

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Speaker 1: the building. So the controversy centers around safety, and they're

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Speaker 1: not there anymore. After that, Purvoal was on the TV

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Speaker 1: last night arguing with Corey Bowman claiming Heaps brought all

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Speaker 1: any of that. Liz keating, are we losing more than

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we have a problem across the board.

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Speaker 2: We have seen restaurants shut down, and those restaurant owners

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Speaker 2: consistently say that it's because crime and safety isn't been

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Speaker 2: are in a tough economy. We know that we already

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Speaker 2: have a lot of forces going against us. But when

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Speaker 2: you have this kind of economy, you know crime spikes,

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Speaker 2: you know mental health issues rise, and you know you

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Speaker 2: have safety issues. These are things that could have been

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Speaker 2: And now we're consistently hearing you're hearing restaurants in the banks,

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Speaker 2: you're hearing restaurants in Central Business District, you're hearing restaurants

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Speaker 2: do it in OTR. Consistently complained about that and need

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Speaker 2: for more police officers, more police officers walking the beat,

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Speaker 2: more security, more private detail to be able to manage

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Speaker 2: this not just from a secure standpoint and safety standpoint,

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Speaker 2: And if people don't feel safe, they are not going

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Speaker 2: to come support our businesses and those businesses are going

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Speaker 2: to hurt. And if we are a city that does

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Speaker 2: not support these small businesses that are the lifeblood of

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Speaker 2: our city in our community, we have a huge, huge

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Speaker 2: problem down the line. We got to be able to

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Speaker 2: do better, and we need city officials, particularly city council

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Speaker 2: step up and actually care about these businesses and make

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Speaker 2: sure they're getting the support they need from a safety standpoint.

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Speaker 1: Well, Pauls, bring Liz Keeping back. Obviously we know where

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Speaker 1: she is on crime in downtown since siat We're going

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Speaker 1: to get some other ideas she has for as she

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Speaker 1: wins the council race. Early voting is open, The Board

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Speaker 1: of Elections is open. Go cast your vote today. Make

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Speaker 1: sure Liz Keating is among the four or five you

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Speaker 1: actually vote for. Going back to Christopher Smithman's point, don't

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Speaker 1: vote for all nine. You don't need to do that,

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Speaker 1: Just vote for the ones you want. It's vote Liz

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Speaker 1: and Liz Keating is on the bottle for sincey City Council,

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Speaker 1: as we move away from crime, I had one of

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Speaker 1: the other huge issues for the residents of the city,

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Speaker 1: and we saw this unfold and Bond Hill and Hyde

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Speaker 1: Park they collectively painted this connected communities zoning rule over

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Speaker 1: all of the neighborhoods without consulting with local communities about

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Speaker 1: We all know how that worked out for the mayor

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Speaker 1: and the city council. What is the Liz Keating approach

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Speaker 1: to let's say, affordable housing. I know Parvall said even

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Speaker 1: again last night, he wants forty thousand new affordable called

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Speaker 1: affordable homes. Maybe you can define that for me, because

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that means in the next ten years,

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Speaker 1: but that's four thousand a year. They haven't even come

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Speaker 1: close to that goal list keeping your reaction to property.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the number one reason why they haven't

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Speaker 2: come close to that goal is because they're not actually

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Speaker 2: having productive debate down there. I mean, if you look

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Speaker 2: at these situations, they're going all or nothing. So you've

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Speaker 2: got council members who are voting yes, just get down

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Speaker 2: there and give speeches as to why they're voting yes.

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Speaker 2: And then you've got council members they're voting no, and

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Speaker 2: they're giving speeches as to why they're voting no. So

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Speaker 2: they go all or nothing. A lot of these communities

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Speaker 2: are saying, yeah, we do want housing, we do want investment,

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Speaker 2: we do want something. Can you just work with us

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Speaker 2: into what fits within the design of our community. And

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Speaker 2: if it's all or nothing, everyone loses. You end up

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Speaker 2: with nothing, as you're seeing it in High Park, Whereas

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Speaker 2: a lot of the High Park neighborhood said, you know,

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Speaker 2: our squares old, it's been a while since we've gotten

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Speaker 2: some sort of investment. We'd be happy to have a

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Speaker 2: little bit of a facelift. You work within our current building,

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Speaker 2: can you can you work within the current design? Can

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Speaker 2: have now because of the absolute failure of City Council zero.

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Speaker 2: And it's insane. If you look at the way the

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Speaker 2: it's strategic, it's intentional, and it respects the historic architecture

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Speaker 2: and you'd be much further along. If you continue this

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Speaker 1: Well, it seems to me this kind oft communities and

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Speaker 1: it's all about affordable housing. I don't know what that

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Speaker 1: rent just by virtue of location. You can't control that

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Speaker 1: unless you put in some kind of rent control, can you, Liz,

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Speaker 1: I think it's more.

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Speaker 2: The way I look at it is is figuring out

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Speaker 2: the missing middle housing. You're building up those, and then

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Speaker 2: But when you're buying real estate, which we all know

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Speaker 2: and I think High Park is a perfect example. If

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Speaker 2: And I think that's the best approach because those smaller

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Speaker 1: And I presume that's this entire conversation has to be

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Speaker 2: There is true think about the number of people that

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Speaker 2: it fit. There is a way to do this. We

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Speaker 2: have seen other cities do this, and we just need

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Speaker 1: Early voting is open. I recommend my listeners check out

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Speaker 1: their website vote Lizkeating dot com. In spite of the

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Speaker 1: fact that we're running out of time in terms of

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Speaker 1: now in the election just a few weeks away, it's

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Speaker 1: not too late for folks to help out with your campaign,

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Speaker 1: get involved and maybe even donate. Or are we past that,

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Speaker 1: Liz Keating, Oh, we.

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Speaker 2: Are absolutely not past that. All of the above. We

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Speaker 2: definitely need help and we will take any and all help. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: donations are extremely helpful, particularly at these last few weeks

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Speaker 2: have productive debate, if you want somebody who's going to

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Speaker 2: fight crime and fight the causes of crime. If you

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Speaker 2: you show up. We need to have you talking about

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Speaker 2: it and make sure you got your networks to show

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Speaker 2: up to vote too.

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Speaker 1: If those sound like great ideas, then you need to vote.

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Speaker 1: Liz Keating, I recommend people do that again. Vote listen.

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Speaker 3: Nny's ben't a great idea. Sorry I'm interrupting you here.

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Speaker 3: That is not even a great idea. That is just

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Speaker 3: common sense foundation of local government. This shouldn't be that hard.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad I said it, Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad I said that change down there, right. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad I said that because you put the exclamation point

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Speaker 1: on it. Amen, Liz Keaty, good luck. If we don't

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Speaker 1: talk between now and then, and I hope we do.

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Speaker 1: I wish you all the best, and I really just

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Speaker 1: for the benefit of the city that I love so much,

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Speaker 1: we need a new administration who can focus on this

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Speaker 1: logical and reasonable strategy. Thanks Liz Keating, keep up the

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Speaker 1: great work, and I'll wish you all the best as

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Speaker 1: we fast approach election day. Oh, come it up.