WEBVTT - Plain Glass, Stain Glass with Pastor Chad Hovind

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<v Speaker 1>Quotes stereotypes that are just simply not true. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is true in every occupation. Right, if you're a doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>people think you're a B and C. If you're a lawyer,

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<v Speaker 1>they think you're D, E and F, whatever the case

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<v Speaker 1>may be. But what about you know, stereotypes about Christians

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<v Speaker 1>or pastors and both positive and negative traits that you

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<v Speaker 1>had come across in all your years with a church.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I went to a career day one day to

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<v Speaker 2>me inviting me to come in and talk about being

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<v Speaker 2>a pastor for a bunch of sixth graders, And I

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<v Speaker 2>said to him, I said, all right, well, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>draw a picture. It's like cartoon a little bit. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna draw a picture of a pastor. Tell me

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<v Speaker 2>what they're like. And the hands started going up, and

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<v Speaker 2>they said, what kind of eyes does he have? Angry eyes?

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<v Speaker 2>I got angry eyes. I give this big pushy eyebrow.

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<v Speaker 2>What does his mouth look like? Big mouth? He's yelling

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<v Speaker 2>at people all the time. Really okay, So I drew

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<v Speaker 2>a big mouth and as welles he got giant bible

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<v Speaker 2>in his hand. All right, what's his other hand doing?

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<v Speaker 2>He's pointing his finger and wagging at the people. I

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<v Speaker 2>draw this caricature of what they thought of when they

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<v Speaker 2>thought of a pastor. And then I turned to them

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<v Speaker 2>and I said.

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<v Speaker 3>Do I look like that?

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<v Speaker 2>No, except once smart in the back. Yes. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think I think that's the case for almost all of us,

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<v Speaker 2>related to what we believe, what we do, our occupation,

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<v Speaker 2>there's all these caricatures of that. I mean, every time

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<v Speaker 2>I tell somebody eventually that I'm a pastor, or not

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<v Speaker 2>just a pastor, I'm a person of faith, I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>follower of Jesus, there's kind of this awkward silence, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they're like.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh uh, my third cousin twice removed, read the Bible once,

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<v Speaker 4>and like I get reduced, like the only thing I

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<v Speaker 4>that my whole life is about this one little thing.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, we all love caricatures when you go

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<v Speaker 4>to King's Island or you go to the fair.

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<v Speaker 2>Or something, so they draws a caricature, but we don't

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<v Speaker 2>like it of ourselves. And we often do that to

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<v Speaker 2>others too, And a caricature artist will take one aspect

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<v Speaker 2>exaggerated beyond the truth. I didn't realize that it's such

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<v Speaker 2>a big forehead, my nose isn't that big. I think

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<v Speaker 2>for a lot of people, they have caricatures of Christians.

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<v Speaker 2>They've never met a real Christian and so all they

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<v Speaker 2>know is what they've heard from a distance. Or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>there certainly we've all been bad examples. I've been a

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<v Speaker 2>bad example too, where you think, well, I think Christians

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<v Speaker 2>are all brainless because I've heard that faith is the

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<v Speaker 2>opposite of evidence, which of course we don't believe that,

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<v Speaker 2>but they've heard that. Or all Christians are hypocrites, because

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<v Speaker 2>there's plenty of us that are hypocrites, and even I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a hypocrite. But part of hypocrisy is trying to own

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<v Speaker 2>what you do wrong and say, man, I did live

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<v Speaker 2>up to on standards. Again, I want to admit that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm trying to do better, versus sitting on a

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<v Speaker 2>soapbox and pretending that you're suddenly perfect, that you have

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<v Speaker 2>the right to look down at other people. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's the other caricatures that Christians who are just judgmental.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not graceful, they're merciful. There's an old Simpsons episode

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<v Speaker 2>where Ned Flanders is on his way to church camp

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<v Speaker 2>and the Homer turns them and says church camp is

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<v Speaker 2>that where you Christians go to learn how to be

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<v Speaker 2>more judgmental. So I think there are lots of caricatures

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<v Speaker 2>and that ownership is on us and one not careature

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<v Speaker 2>other people. But as Christians, I want to try and

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<v Speaker 2>show that I'm not like the caricature. I'm distinct, I'm different,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm winsome, I'm honest. I do own my own stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's kind of the ownership, and that's not just

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<v Speaker 2>true of us as people of faith. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're liberal, you're probably the caricature of conservatives. You're conservative,

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<v Speaker 2>you're caricatural liberals. If you kind of grew up in

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<v Speaker 2>the Union, you have a caricature of you at the

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<v Speaker 2>company shop and the owners and the white collar workers

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<v Speaker 2>are like rice versus. I think all of us need

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<v Speaker 2>to be careful to not reduce people down to some

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<v Speaker 2>sliver of who they are.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, we do it all the time. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you're one hundred percent right. I wish we didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of things I wish I didn't do.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I don't do. I want to get into

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of them specifically, though certainly there are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people in every walk of life that are hypocritical.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, a Christian, for a sample, fails to live

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<v Speaker 1>up to the message of love and forgiveness, but they

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<v Speaker 1>preach and they're quick to judge others. That's more of

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<v Speaker 1>a case help me here, now, pastor. That's more of

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<v Speaker 1>a case of someone who's probably not a Christian. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't mean, I don't mean to throw a blanket over

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<v Speaker 1>people who are not people of faith. I don't mean

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<v Speaker 1>it that way. What I mean is is that if

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<v Speaker 1>you think someone is a Christian and you see that

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<v Speaker 1>they're failing to live up to that standard, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>you could say, is that person really a Christian after all?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that fair?

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<v Speaker 3>Fair point?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think there's one part of it. I also

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<v Speaker 2>think that I don't know anyone who lives up during expectations,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's religious or irreligious alike. So, but I do

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<v Speaker 2>think if you don't see any fruit, if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>see any indication of someone, I mean, the Bible can

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<v Speaker 2>be reduced down to two statements. Jesus just brilliantly reduced

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<v Speaker 2>all the complexity of the Bible to two things. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're learning how to love God and you're learning how

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<v Speaker 2>to love people. So if you don't see any evidence

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<v Speaker 2>of someone learning how to love God or learn to

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<v Speaker 2>love people, I would say they probably haven't first seen

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<v Speaker 2>the message that God loves them and God loves people.

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<v Speaker 2>So it begins with you before I try and act

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<v Speaker 2>out on something. The motivation is, man, I saw somebody

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<v Speaker 2>do this to me. When you realize that God the

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<v Speaker 2>universe have and so compassionate to you, you're like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't really deserve it, and he was so patient

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<v Speaker 2>with me, and I want to try and be more

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<v Speaker 2>patient and more compassionate with others and the other end. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>we never live up to our own standards, so I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's in our own imperfect way. We are trying

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<v Speaker 2>to make progress, not perfection. And I think a person

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<v Speaker 2>of real faith, the main characteristic you would see in

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<v Speaker 2>them is humility, which is I'm humble. It doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>I'll struggle there against the bride, but it means I'm

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<v Speaker 2>humble enough to realize, man, I really don't have my

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<v Speaker 2>act together, and God love me, and I'm open to feedback.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm open to where I might be wrong, because the

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<v Speaker 2>whole message of the Bible is that I did a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of stuff wrong. So whatever my boss is mentioning,

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<v Speaker 2>my wife is mentioning, my kids are mentioning, this might

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<v Speaker 2>be one of those things. I think humility would be

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<v Speaker 2>one of the main things you'd want to see. But

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<v Speaker 2>certainly there are people who pretend to be one thing

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<v Speaker 2>and they're not, or they think they're one thing that

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<v Speaker 2>they're not. And I do think it's fair to say

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<v Speaker 2>you can, you know, judge them by their fruit, or

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<v Speaker 2>you can examine and look for fruit in their life.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do think anytime you think there's some magic

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<v Speaker 2>wand where there's perfect people, I mean, if there's a

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<v Speaker 2>way to make imperfect people perfect on this earth, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean we should bottle that and sell it. Pap would

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<v Speaker 2>be drinking it and passing around to their kids and otherwise,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>The other one that that always bothers me and I

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<v Speaker 1>do hear this from time to time, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>scratch my head, I shake my head in disbelief is

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<v Speaker 1>that oftentimes a Christian is perceived as being anti intellectual

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<v Speaker 1>or anti science. Let's start with the science part. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of the greatest scientists household names have been some of

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<v Speaker 1>the best Christians out there, and their science in fact

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<v Speaker 1>led them to being more Christian.

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<v Speaker 2>With every science we have is developed by a Bible

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<v Speaker 2>believing Christian. You think about Louis Pasture and the pastorization

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<v Speaker 2>of milk, getting rid of the idea of a spontaneous generation.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a common belief that you could just throw

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<v Speaker 2>rags in a corner and poof, I would jump a mouse.

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<v Speaker 2>And he came out with the it's not really a law,

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<v Speaker 2>but biogenesis is called which life comes from life. You

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<v Speaker 2>can't get life from non life. You think about the

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<v Speaker 2>father of astronomy, Johann Kepler, and again this guy was

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<v Speaker 2>a Bible believing Chrision Isaac Newton, who was an absolute genius.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can actually google this. You can look he wrote.

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<v Speaker 2>He invented calculus as we know it. He invented everything

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<v Speaker 2>we know about gravitational poll at the time, and he

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<v Speaker 2>wrote as much about the Bible as he did about

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<v Speaker 2>gravitational pool in algebra. So these are really brilliant people.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that caricature that kind of check your

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<v Speaker 2>brain to door if you're a Christian comes from an

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<v Speaker 2>inaccurate but well traveled phrase about faith. People will say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>faith is the opposite of evidence. And every time I

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<v Speaker 2>hear that on TV, and I hear it all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to throw some up at the TV. Faith

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<v Speaker 2>is not the oposite the absence of evidence. That's called ignorance.

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<v Speaker 2>Faith is putting your confidence in the evidence. You can

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<v Speaker 2>have as much faith as you want in sin ice

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<v Speaker 2>and you're still going to fall through. But you can

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<v Speaker 2>have just a little bit of faith in thick eyes

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<v Speaker 2>and you can walk on it. That's why Jesus says,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not the size of your faith, it's what you

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<v Speaker 2>put your faith in. I think of it this way.

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<v Speaker 2>Just to science, for example, what makes more sense a

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<v Speaker 2>rational god create a rational universe that can be studied rationally.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes a lot of sense. Or an irrational process

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<v Speaker 2>create a rational world that can be studied rationally. Even

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of rationality is built on the foundation that

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<v Speaker 2>there was a mind that created the universe, and that

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<v Speaker 2>that mind was rational and want us to discover about

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<v Speaker 2>him and about his universe, and all of that flows

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<v Speaker 2>out of the very idea of a Christian worldview.

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<v Speaker 1>The last one I want to get to before we

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<v Speaker 1>let you go is the idea the stereotype out there

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<v Speaker 1>yet those of faith are pushy. You know, they're very

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<v Speaker 1>aggressive and trying to convert others. And you told a

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<v Speaker 1>story the other day involving bread crumbs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, if you think about how most people get

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<v Speaker 2>influence to do anything. Number one, they don't know anyone

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<v Speaker 2>who believes what you believe, and they don't like anyone

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<v Speaker 2>who believes that you believe. And so the first step

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<v Speaker 2>is recognizing, like any good communicator, where's my audience at

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<v Speaker 2>they have no conscious awareness of me or my message.

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<v Speaker 2>So the first step is honestly, in anything that you

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<v Speaker 2>don't know much about, having a positive attitude toward that person,

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<v Speaker 2>and so that person doesn't come across pushy. They're just

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<v Speaker 2>going to drop a bread crumb. And they mentioned they

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<v Speaker 2>went to church this weekend when you said stuff. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you show interest, you know, they may keep talking.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't show interests, they're smart enough to shut up.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think a lot of us, you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter what it is, whether it's the stereotypical Amway

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<v Speaker 2>salesman when you're a kid, or the multi marketing person

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, listen, can't you read the room? Here? People?

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<v Speaker 2>The cluephones ring and I'm not interested, But However, at

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<v Speaker 2>some point, maybe if you're our good neighbor, the way

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<v Speaker 2>you're living your life, the way you love your spouse,

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<v Speaker 2>the way you parents your kids, people just notice and

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<v Speaker 2>they'll start to have a positive attitude towards you as

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<v Speaker 2>a messenger of that message. And then I get curious,

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<v Speaker 2>and again you're dropping breadcrumbs about You're just talking about

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<v Speaker 2>your life, right, my life. You know what happened this weekend? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a life, and I had to fight. But

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<v Speaker 2>I realized later I need to go back and apologize. Really,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know people who typically talk about the fact

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<v Speaker 2>they fight with their wife, and you admitted that, you apologize,

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<v Speaker 2>I really struggle with pride, And suddenly they're a little interested,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like, tell me more about that, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>looking for that that tell me more about that moment.

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<v Speaker 2>And so part of not being pushy with any subject

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<v Speaker 2>is honestly living your life authentically, being a genuine article

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<v Speaker 2>of owning your own stuff. So you show that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not like the hypocrites in the sense that I own it.

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<v Speaker 2>When I'm a hypogrite, you know, I try and be

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<v Speaker 2>gracious toward other people, just towards myself and others, And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what people are looking for, the genuine article.

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<v Speaker 2>So how can I be the genuine article? How do

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<v Speaker 2>I investigate? You might say, no, I don't believe those

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<v Speaker 2>Christian people because I got a bad caricature. I would

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<v Speaker 2>just encourage you to investigate and get to know one

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<v Speaker 2>that's not that way and say what makes them distinct?

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<v Speaker 2>And is there something there? Is? All of us as

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<v Speaker 2>human beings, we have questions about the big things in life.

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<v Speaker 2>Who am I? What happens when I die? What's the

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<v Speaker 2>problem with life? What's the solution with life? And that's

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<v Speaker 2>why christian too, and breadcrumbs. You're dropping the benefits. You're

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<v Speaker 2>just always talking with the benefits to your life, which

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<v Speaker 2>is you know, I just lost my grandmother. This is

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<v Speaker 2>not your story of hypthetically. You just lost my grandmother

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<v Speaker 2>last week, and man, I'm so glad I get to

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<v Speaker 2>see her again. That might be a bread crumb, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's also true part of when you deal with death.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a real hope you can rub into your grief

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<v Speaker 2>that Christianity offers. It's very unique. It comes across in humility,

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<v Speaker 2>it comes across and apologizing. It's just you're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>your regular life. But you are dropping breadcrumbs and see

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<v Speaker 2>if people are interested.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this is teddy you.

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<v Speaker 2>People don't carry what you know until they know that

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<v Speaker 2>you care. So be a person who cares absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's great advice, even for those that have not

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<v Speaker 1>reached a point in their life where they're a spiritual person,

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<v Speaker 1>but certainly fighting and avoiding and at least being open

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<v Speaker 1>minded to stereotypes. Chad, have a great rest of your day.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll look forward to catching up with you again next week.

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<v Speaker 2>Sir, good time, Thanks so much.

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<v Speaker 1>All righty Chad Hooven kind enough to join us each

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<v Speaker 1>and every Wednesday at this time for plane Glass, stained Glass, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>joining us about every ten minutes on a regular basis,

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<v Speaker 1>our good buddy, Chuck Ingram Chuck.

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<v Speaker 3>What's the very latest on the roadway? Latest is a

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<v Speaker 3>new accident. It's westbound two seventy five before you get

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<v Speaker 3>to the new Richmond exit. Traffics now backing up to

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<v Speaker 3>five mile, and the eastbound two seventy five was running

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<v Speaker 3>slow from Kelwogg to that new construction layout near the

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<v Speaker 3>new Richmond ramp. This from the UC Health Tramfhing Center.

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<v Speaker 3>You see health weaightfall Center are off for a surgical

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<v Speaker 3>and medico Obcitycaren expertise called five one three nine three

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<v Speaker 3>nine two two sixty three. That's nine three nine twenty

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<v Speaker 3>two sixty three southbound seventy five. Better pass the wreck

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<v Speaker 3>at Cincinnati Dayton. What's left now is over on the

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<v Speaker 3>right shoulder. Also improving southbound seventy one pasts the accident

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<v Speaker 3>in your fields. Irdle break lights start in near two

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<v Speaker 3>seventy five and continue down to Red Bank on southbound

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<v Speaker 3>seventy one. Chuck Ingram News Radio seven hundred walw y WCPO.

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<v Speaker 1>Nine first tenty four cast presented by our buddy Jennifer

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<v Speaker 1>catch Market. Is chili out there? I mean chili. We're

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<v Speaker 1>still in the low twenties. The sun will breakthrough a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit today, We'll see some sunshine up to thirty four.

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<v Speaker 1>Then tonight good chance of another half inch to an

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<v Speaker 1>inch of snow, especially for those north of the Ohio River.

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<v Speaker 1>Low is twenty eight Tomorrow suns in cloud again high

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<v Speaker 1>up to thirty Tomorrow night we're all the way down

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<v Speaker 1>to fifteen degrees, and then on Friday gonna stay cold,

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<v Speaker 1>sun clouds but only up to thirty seven degrees and

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<v Speaker 1>our lows at night over the weekend into the mid twenties.

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<v Speaker 1>Want to thank Danny Gleese and our producer for all

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<v Speaker 1>his outstanding work as usual, and we close every single

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<v Speaker 1>program by inviting you to consider, just considerate. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to pick up my daughter's shelter pet right now. She

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<v Speaker 1>worked at a animal shelter in Fort Worth, Texas when

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<v Speaker 1>she was going to college and brought Journey Girl all

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<v Speaker 1>the way home. And boy do we love her. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think you'll find that if you go get a

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<v Speaker 1>shelter pet, you will fall in love as well. Eight

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