Speaker 1: Billy Cunningham the Great America. After two o'clock today will
Speaker 1: be Robert Sherman reporting live from Puerto Rico about Venezuela.
Speaker 1: But until then, how many County I'm sorry, Kenton County
Speaker 1: has just talked to Joe Eaters off the air. Kenton
Speaker 1: County Prosecutor Rob Sanders is joining us now, and Rob
Speaker 1: first of all. Joe Eaters call it in. I talked
Speaker 1: to him off the air. Wants to wish you and
Speaker 1: yours and merry Christmas and a happy New Year. How
Speaker 1: about that from Justice Joe.
Speaker 2: That's fantastic, Willie.
Speaker 3: I haven't talked to Joe in a few days here,
Speaker 3: but you know, it's been it's been nice.
Speaker 2: I've had Joe kind of vanished off the face.
Speaker 3: Of the Europe a little while there when he first
Speaker 3: hit the bench, but he's come back around and he's
Speaker 3: given me a shout a few times here.
Speaker 2: Recently. We've had a lot of.
Speaker 3: Interest in things going on, things in the news, so
Speaker 3: it's nice to be back in his company and catch
Speaker 3: up with him and laugh and cry and debate and
Speaker 3: carry on about all things new and politics and family
Speaker 3: and everything else that Joe and I talk about. So
Speaker 3: I'm glad he's catching up with you as well. But
Speaker 3: by all means, Merry Christmas to the theater's family.
Speaker 1: You know, we have great breakfasts together. And I'll say this,
Speaker 1: Justice Joe is Sharon Kennedy, the Chief Justice tells Joe
Speaker 1: know your role and shut your mouth, and up until recently,
Speaker 1: Joe Eaters has known his role in the black robe,
Speaker 1: and he shut his mouth. At some point, though he
Speaker 1: may come out. Is there a Justice Rob Sanders down
Speaker 1: the road.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe if I get to be as old as Joe
Speaker 3: is someday, if I live that long, Willie, my patience
Speaker 3: will grow. But right now I have a really hard
Speaker 3: time listening to other lawyers try cases. You know, I'm
Speaker 3: a horrible supervisor when it comes to watching my attorneys
Speaker 3: trycases because I don't like to.
Speaker 2: Be in the courtroom.
Speaker 3: I get too cranky and two, I don't know, nervous
Speaker 3: isn't really the right word. I just want to jump
Speaker 3: in and do the case myself, so I know I
Speaker 3: dropped my assistance crazy. Sometimes when I'm in the courtroom,
Speaker 3: I just don't you know, I have a hard time
Speaker 3: listen to the defense attorneys do their cases. I just
Speaker 3: wanted to shut up, sit down, let's get this thing moving.
Speaker 3: So I don't know that I have the patience to
Speaker 3: ever wear a black robe. I have great respect for
Speaker 3: the people to do. Uh, but I'm I've never been
Speaker 3: patience has never been one of my assets, Willie. And
Speaker 3: I don't know that I've got the temperament to be
Speaker 3: a patient judge like justice Chick.
Speaker 1: Well, when you get as old as Joe me, you might.
Speaker 1: But Sharon Kennedy, the chief, sent him a big note
Speaker 1: in black letters, know your role and shut your mouth.
Speaker 4: And Joe has said, yes, I'm.
Speaker 3: Just gonna guess and say, given Joe's beautiful bride and
Speaker 3: her temperament, that's probably not the first woman to.
Speaker 4: Tell Joe that shut your mouth.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He probably come, you know, accustomed to it. And and
Speaker 3: so I'm sure he took it in stride.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, And we're gonna talk Mario Mario Pain. In
Speaker 4: a moment.
Speaker 1: I'm watching CNN, MSNBC, Breitbart, I'm watching Fox News and
Speaker 1: I'm watching the hearing for the fired Michigan football coach
Speaker 1: Sharon Moore, and I'm looking at him and it's coming
Speaker 1: out now that the University of Michigan knew for months
Speaker 1: that he was stalking a Michigan employee working for him
Speaker 1: as executive director of the head football coach. They knew
Speaker 1: that Page was being victimized by their head football coach.
Speaker 1: And this guy was making five last year, he made
Speaker 1: eight million dollars for bonuses. Sharon more likely to make
Speaker 1: eight million dollars this year. And now he's sitting in
Speaker 1: a holding cell, having threatened to kill and or commit
Speaker 1: suicide break into the homes of Michigan employees. I can't
Speaker 1: recall someone who's gone from a year ago beating the
Speaker 1: Buckeyes at Ohio Stadium, taking the place of Harbaugh, who
Speaker 1: went on the NFL fame, I guess. And now he's
Speaker 1: sitting in a holding cell with a look on his
Speaker 1: eyes saying, what in the hell is going on around
Speaker 1: this place? And now the University of Michigan, which has
Speaker 1: ten or eleven assistant coaches, all of which have been disciplined,
Speaker 1: the school's on probation for all the shooting they have
Speaker 1: done in the past. Now they're head football coaches in
Speaker 1: a white black uniform, sitting in a holding cell, nodding
Speaker 1: his head, having threatened to kill, breaking the homes and
Speaker 1: this is the football coach of the University of Michigan,
Speaker 1: the Mazon the Blue.
Speaker 4: What do you think about that?
Speaker 3: Well, really, it's just going to show you how crazy
Speaker 3: intense the Ohio State Michigan rivalry is. And I'm not
Speaker 3: a Michigan or an Ohio State fan, Frankly, I think
Speaker 3: anybody who's not a fan of either one of those
Speaker 3: programs just gets annoyed with the both of them. That's
Speaker 3: the category I fall into. But if Michigan was truly
Speaker 3: covering this up, yes until after the Ohio State game, yes,
Speaker 3: that they didn't have the distractions try and beat Ohio State,
Speaker 3: that's just sick o. These Domestic violence is nothing to
Speaker 3: screw around with, and it's you know, it's I hate
Speaker 3: to even make jokes in the same segment here about
Speaker 3: Ohio State and Michigan that we're going to move into
Speaker 3: domestic violence because the murder tribe and dealing with all
Speaker 3: week was filled with domestic violence.
Speaker 2: And if this.
Speaker 3: Coach really was doing the kind of things he's being
Speaker 3: accused of now, then shame on him and he deserves
Speaker 3: whatever he gets, and shame on the University of Michigan.
Speaker 2: And if that's true.
Speaker 3: They ought to end up stroking a big check to
Speaker 3: this lady to compensate her for the hell that this
Speaker 3: coach has put her through. That they didn't put a
Speaker 3: stop to or call the police or do whatever they
Speaker 3: had to do because God forbid it mess up their
Speaker 3: rivalry again.
Speaker 1: Yet they got the high State game coming up a
Speaker 1: couple of days after Thanksgiving, so they had to keep
Speaker 1: the lid on. The AD's got to go. Whoever knew
Speaker 1: about it's got to go. I guess this woman's life
Speaker 1: hung in the balance and she's talking the crap out
Speaker 1: of her and had a baby. I think he paid
Speaker 1: for the abortion. So in addition everything he did, he
Speaker 1: killed his unborn baby through paying for it and page
Speaker 1: pages in therapy. And Paige was a girlfriend of his wife.
Speaker 1: He's thirty nine years old with three little girls. But
Speaker 1: the Kelly More is the wife been married for ten
Speaker 1: years of the head football coach you're on, and she
Speaker 1: is a girlfriend of the paramore. What do you think
Speaker 1: about that one?
Speaker 3: Well, will you find out that the University of Michigan
Speaker 3: really was sandbag and dragging their feet on doing something
Speaker 3: about criminal behavior on behalf of their football coach just
Speaker 3: so they could get through the misivalry game. I don't
Speaker 3: think Michigan was ever going to make it to the
Speaker 3: playoffs or get a bowl game or anything like that.
Speaker 3: But if they really were not going to the police
Speaker 3: and trying to cover this up just so they could
Speaker 3: beat Ohio State, then they ought to suspend the entire
Speaker 3: dang football team, because that's just inexcusable behavior under any circumstance,
Speaker 3: to put a victim of domestic.
Speaker 2: Violence through even more violence and more trauma just for
Speaker 2: a football game. I'm the biggest football fan as anybody.
Speaker 2: That's no joking about it. That's just ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the DV, I mean, I mean this, Michigan
Speaker 1: football ought to get the death penalty in the NCAA
Speaker 1: will death death. Let let's talk about Mario pain talking
Speaker 1: about DV. Explain what happened. You had a successful outcome.
Speaker 1: By the way, on my birthday, December the eleventh, yesterday,
Speaker 1: talk to me about Mario Paine. Tell the American people
Speaker 1: about him.
Speaker 3: Well, Willie, happy birthday, by the way. I'm sorry that
Speaker 3: I missed it. I'm sure it was a big show yesterday.
Speaker 3: Everybody's singing happy birthdays to you and I know what
Speaker 3: I told you earlier the week that this Mario Payne
Speaker 3: trial was likely to run through your birthday. So unfortunately
Speaker 3: I wasn't available yesterday for the big celebration.
Speaker 2: But happy birthday.
Speaker 3: I celebrated by convicting Mario Pain of murder and convincing
Speaker 3: the jury and they agreed that he deserves a life
Speaker 3: sentence for the murder of a young lady named Kiera Lane,
Speaker 3: who was only twenty five years old back on January
Speaker 3: sixth of twenty twenty four when Mario Pain gunned her down.
Speaker 3: This is a young woman that had been engaged in
Speaker 3: a relationship with mister Paine, despite the fact that he
Speaker 3: was apparently engaged in multiple relationships with multiple women had
Speaker 3: kids with multiple women. But when Kiera Laine realized that
Speaker 3: she was just being toyed with by Mario Pain and
Speaker 3: he wasn't interested in a long standing relationship with her
Speaker 3: being a husband and a father to their two children
Speaker 3: like he should have been, she broke things off. She
Speaker 3: got a new boyfriend. One sad thing is the moment
Speaker 3: that Miss Lane posted a photo of herself and this
Speaker 3: new boyfriend to social media. Mario Pain apparently lost his
Speaker 3: mind and started blowing up her phone, demanding to know
Speaker 3: where she was, who she was with, what she was doing.
Speaker 2: She had to silence her phone.
Speaker 3: Through the night because he had called her so many times,
Speaker 3: according to the witnesses at trial. But the next day
Speaker 3: he changed his tactics. He called her and said, I
Speaker 3: want to visit my kids. And Kiara wasn't the kind
Speaker 3: of mother to keep the children away from their father,
Speaker 3: no matter how big of a pain in the backside
Speaker 3: he was to her, so she agreed to meet him
Speaker 3: in a Kroger. But when they got the Kroger in Latonia,
Speaker 3: mister Payne changed his tune and said, no, I want
Speaker 3: to keep the kids overnight. So she said, well, I
Speaker 3: didn't like an overnight bag or a diaper bag for
Speaker 3: the baby. Said we've got to go back to my
Speaker 3: house and get that stuff, and they did, and when
Speaker 3: they got back there, he started trying to talk himself inside.
Speaker 3: She wouldn't let him inside, and she says, I'm not
Speaker 3: interested in this. I've moved on. I've got a new boyfriend.
Speaker 3: And when she went to literally close the front door
Speaker 3: of her house and closed the door on their relationship,
Speaker 3: mister Payne produced a three eighty caliber handgun and shot
Speaker 3: her four times at point blank range. This was in
Speaker 3: front of numerous members of miss Lane's family, all who
Speaker 3: were over at her residence at the time of her killing.
Speaker 3: And he killed her right in front of her little
Speaker 3: sister and within earshot of a number of different family
Speaker 3: members who were just up the stairs and came running
Speaker 3: down to find Caroline taking her last breaths just inside
Speaker 3: the front doorway of her residence. Mister Payne fled the
Speaker 3: scene and Covington police put out. You know, it was
Speaker 3: all hands on deck. Every detective and the crime bureau
Speaker 3: got called out. They investigated the case. Detective Jim Lindman
Speaker 3: got a arrest warrant for mister Payne and he was
Speaker 3: found five days later down in Louisville, Kentucky, and police
Speaker 3: down there arrested him, shipped him back to us. Took
Speaker 3: us two years to almost two years to get him
Speaker 3: to trial because mister Payne was feigning mental illness and
Speaker 3: claimed he was incompetent to stand trial. But the folks
Speaker 3: that do the evaluations for the state did his psychiatric evaluation.
Speaker 2: He said, no, this guy's the joker. He's just faking.
Speaker 3: In fact, he's faking worse than anybody we've ever seen
Speaker 3: trying fake mental incompetence to stand trial. So we finally
Speaker 3: got him called the trial on Tuesday. Took us three
Speaker 3: days to get the trial done.
Speaker 2: William. We celebrated your birthday.
Speaker 3: Late last night, just after five o'clock with a life
Speaker 3: sentence from the jury. And I look forward to mister
Speaker 3: Payne's final sentencing in front of Judge Kathy late in
Speaker 3: February of next year, when I anticipate she will impose
Speaker 3: the jury sentence and send mister Payne off to Eddieville
Speaker 3: at our state penitentiary for the rest of his life.
Speaker 1: At least maybe longer after he's dead, keep him for
Speaker 1: another year or two. I would point out to my
Speaker 1: left a Michigan man, the judge in the case of
Speaker 1: Sharon Moore, posted a allowed him to post upon a
Speaker 1: twenty five thousand dollars which he's got in his front
Speaker 1: right pocket for home invasion and a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: other felonies along with misdemeanors. But nonetheless as far as
Speaker 1: mister Paine is concerned. And by the way, they've ordered
Speaker 1: a mental evaluation for the head football coach of Michigan. Nonetheless,
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with that. So the probability of
Speaker 1: this judge, who's a good judge in Kent County, Pain's
Speaker 1: going to get the rest of his life in prison
Speaker 1: at least. And how's the rest of how the kids
Speaker 1: doing well?
Speaker 3: The kids are being raised by their grandmother and by
Speaker 3: the This is a pretty extended family lots here, had
Speaker 3: lots of brothers and sisters, cousins.
Speaker 2: She is, her parents are split up.
Speaker 3: She's got a big family on both her mom's side
Speaker 3: and her dance side that are all pitching in to
Speaker 3: help raise her. Two babies that are now only two
Speaker 3: and four years old. I'm not old enough to know
Speaker 3: what happened to their mother. The older one I think
Speaker 3: knows Mommy's in heaven, but that's about it. The younger,
Speaker 3: youngest one is still too small, too tender of age,
Speaker 3: to explain things too. But none of these kids realized
Speaker 3: that not only has mommy gone, but she was murdered
Speaker 3: and our dad was their killer. It's just a horrible thing.
Speaker 3: We talked about this a try. One of the reasons
Speaker 3: mister Paine deserves a life sentence is because he robbed,
Speaker 3: not just care of her life. But he robbed his
Speaker 3: own children of their mother, and he's going to cause
Speaker 3: his own children to be raised without a father in
Speaker 3: the home because mister Payne will be locked in cage
Speaker 3: for the rest of his life. And rightfully so o.
Speaker 1: Wet's see what happens down the road, and awfully said,
Speaker 1: and they had football coach of Michigan could have done
Speaker 1: the same thing as pain oh when he got into that.
Speaker 2: In a really bad direction. There.
Speaker 3: Everything that I've read in the media is through about
Speaker 3: that case. Really, it's a good thing that they caught
Speaker 3: up to him when they did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and murder suicide, you know, many times murder just
Speaker 1: precedes suicide. He could easily have killed Paige, his girlfriend
Speaker 1: who worked for him, and by the way her her
Speaker 1: income doubled in the last year while he was having
Speaker 1: sex with her. And then after a while she said,
Speaker 1: I can't do this anymore. I just can't keep doing this.
Speaker 1: It's hurting you, hurting me. My friend is your wife,
Speaker 1: and I can't keep doing this. And that's when the
Speaker 1: stalking and other crimes committed, and Michigan authorities knew about
Speaker 1: it but wanted a way too.
Speaker 4: After the Ohigh State game.
Speaker 2: And so there's another lesson in this story, Willie.
Speaker 3: It's don't DoorDash your abortion drugs to your head football
Speaker 3: coach's office. You know, if you're going to engage in
Speaker 3: this kind of activity, which is bad enough that this
Speaker 3: coach was doing, but definitely don't use door dash to
Speaker 3: get your abortion drugs delivered to the head football office
Speaker 3: at the University of.
Speaker 1: Michigan unless your own. Morris transgender, I don't think he
Speaker 1: had much need for abortion drugs. Maybe that was a
Speaker 1: maybe that was a tip, a little queue right there.
Speaker 1: Maybe something's. Of course the Michigan family knew about it
Speaker 1: and did nothing than because of the big game coming up. Well,
Speaker 1: we got to run Rob Sanders once again. Thanks for
Speaker 1: coming on. You've been my most frequent guest this year.
Speaker 1: You've been on fourteen times. Joe Dieters held that record
Speaker 1: for a while, but now that he's got a muzzle
Speaker 1: on him, you can't talk. You're the number one guest
Speaker 1: this year, and I think number three things Rob. Number
Speaker 1: one your knowledgeable, Number two, you have a great radio voice,
Speaker 1: and number three you're accessible. You put those things to
Speaker 1: three things together, substance, voice and accessibility.
Speaker 4: You're number one in my book.
Speaker 3: Well, Willie, it's been an honor and a pleasure. If
Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken, I was your very first guest of
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five when you came back from vacation from
Speaker 3: your break. Yes, and I've got to be I guess
Speaker 3: now one of your last ones. So it's been an honor,
Speaker 3: a pleasure. Merry Christmas and happy Birthday to you, Bill,
Speaker 3: Merry Christmas.
Speaker 2: To the People's Judge, to Tony Bender.
Speaker 3: Seg, Rocky, DJ Hodge, all my friends at seven hundred WLW,
Speaker 3: the number one fan of the Bill Cunningham Show, Ross
Speaker 3: Fine and everybody.
Speaker 2: I hope you have a sing, happy and healthy new Year.
Speaker 3: And I look forward Willie to hopefully talking to this
Speaker 3: talking to you on your very first show.
Speaker 2: And you will be. You will be. Let's run it back.
Speaker 2: We're going to defend this title two years in a
Speaker 2: row of the number one guest on the Bill cunning
Speaker 2: End Show.
Speaker 4: You'll be my first guest in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: Rob, thank you very much, excellent Willy, have a great day.
Speaker 1: God bless you. Let's continue with more. There's Rob Sanders,
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