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Speaker 1: Billy Cunningham the Great America. After two o'clock today will

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Speaker 1: be Robert Sherman reporting live from Puerto Rico about Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: But until then, how many County I'm sorry, Kenton County

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Speaker 1: has just talked to Joe Eaters off the air. Kenton

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Speaker 1: County Prosecutor Rob Sanders is joining us now, and Rob

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Speaker 1: first of all. Joe Eaters call it in. I talked

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Speaker 1: to him off the air. Wants to wish you and

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Speaker 1: yours and merry Christmas and a happy New Year. How

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Speaker 1: about that from Justice Joe.

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Speaker 2: That's fantastic, Willie.

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Speaker 3: I haven't talked to Joe in a few days here,

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Speaker 3: but you know, it's been it's been nice.

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Speaker 2: I've had Joe kind of vanished off the face.

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Speaker 3: Of the Europe a little while there when he first

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Speaker 3: hit the bench, but he's come back around and he's

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Speaker 3: given me a shout a few times here.

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Speaker 2: Recently. We've had a lot of.

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Speaker 3: Interest in things going on, things in the news, so

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Speaker 3: it's nice to be back in his company and catch

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Speaker 3: up with him and laugh and cry and debate and

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Speaker 3: carry on about all things new and politics and family

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Speaker 3: and everything else that Joe and I talk about. So

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Speaker 3: I'm glad he's catching up with you as well. But

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Speaker 3: by all means, Merry Christmas to the theater's family.

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Speaker 1: You know, we have great breakfasts together. And I'll say this,

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Speaker 1: Justice Joe is Sharon Kennedy, the Chief Justice tells Joe

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Speaker 1: know your role and shut your mouth, and up until recently,

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Speaker 1: Joe Eaters has known his role in the black robe,

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Speaker 1: and he shut his mouth. At some point, though he

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Speaker 1: may come out. Is there a Justice Rob Sanders down

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Speaker 1: the road.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Maybe if I get to be as old as Joe

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Speaker 3: is someday, if I live that long, Willie, my patience

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Speaker 3: will grow. But right now I have a really hard

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Speaker 3: time listening to other lawyers try cases. You know, I'm

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Speaker 3: a horrible supervisor when it comes to watching my attorneys

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Speaker 2: Be in the courtroom.

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Speaker 3: I get too cranky and two, I don't know, nervous

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Speaker 3: isn't really the right word. I just want to jump

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Speaker 3: in and do the case myself, so I know I

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Speaker 3: dropped my assistance crazy. Sometimes when I'm in the courtroom,

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Speaker 3: I just don't you know, I have a hard time

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Speaker 3: listen to the defense attorneys do their cases. I just

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Speaker 3: So I don't know that I have the patience to

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Speaker 3: the people to do. Uh, but I'm I've never been

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Speaker 3: patience has never been one of my assets, Willie. And

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Speaker 3: I don't know that I've got the temperament to be

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Speaker 1: Well, when you get as old as Joe me, you might.

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Speaker 1: But Sharon Kennedy, the chief, sent him a big note

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Speaker 1: in black letters, know your role and shut your mouth.

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Speaker 4: And Joe has said, yes, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Just gonna guess and say, given Joe's beautiful bride and

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Speaker 4: Tell Joe that shut your mouth.

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Speaker 3: He probably come, you know, accustomed to it. And and

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Speaker 4: Oh yes, And we're gonna talk Mario Mario Pain. In

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Speaker 1: I'm watching CNN, MSNBC, Breitbart, I'm watching Fox News and

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Speaker 1: I'm watching the hearing for the fired Michigan football coach

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Speaker 1: Sharon Moore, and I'm looking at him and it's coming

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Speaker 1: out now that the University of Michigan knew for months

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Speaker 1: that Page was being victimized by their head football coach.

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Speaker 1: And this guy was making five last year, he made

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Speaker 1: eight million dollars for bonuses. Sharon more likely to make

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Speaker 1: eight million dollars this year. And now he's sitting in

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Speaker 4: What do you think about that?

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Speaker 3: Well, really, it's just going to show you how crazy

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Speaker 3: intense the Ohio State Michigan rivalry is. And I'm not

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Speaker 3: that's just sick o. These Domestic violence is nothing to

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Speaker 3: domestic violence because the murder tribe and dealing with all

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Speaker 3: week was filled with domestic violence.

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Speaker 2: And if this.

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Speaker 3: Coach really was doing the kind of things he's being

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Speaker 3: accused of now, then shame on him and he deserves

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Speaker 3: whatever he gets, and shame on the University of Michigan.

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Speaker 2: And if that's true.

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Speaker 3: They ought to end up stroking a big check to

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Speaker 1: Yet they got the high State game coming up a

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Speaker 1: He's thirty nine years old with three little girls. But

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Speaker 3: Well, will you find out that the University of Michigan

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Speaker 3: so they could get through the misivalry game. I don't

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Speaker 3: But if they really were not going to the police

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Speaker 2: Violence through even more violence and more trauma just for

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Speaker 2: a football game. I'm the biggest football fan as anybody.

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Speaker 2: That's no joking about it. That's just ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of the DV, I mean, I mean this, Michigan

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Speaker 1: will death death. Let let's talk about Mario pain talking

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Speaker 1: about DV. Explain what happened. You had a successful outcome.

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Speaker 1: By the way, on my birthday, December the eleventh, yesterday,

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Speaker 3: Well, Willie, happy birthday, by the way. I'm sorry that

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Speaker 3: I missed it. I'm sure it was a big show yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's singing happy birthdays to you and I know what

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Speaker 3: I told you earlier the week that this Mario Payne

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Speaker 2: But happy birthday.

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Speaker 3: I celebrated by convicting Mario Pain of murder and convincing

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Speaker 3: the jury and they agreed that he deserves a life

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Speaker 3: sentence for the murder of a young lady named Kiera Lane,

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Speaker 3: who was only twenty five years old back on January

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Speaker 3: This is a young woman that had been engaged in

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Speaker 3: Through the night because he had called her so many times,

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Speaker 3: to trial because mister Payne was feigning mental illness and

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Speaker 2: He said, no, this guy's the joker. He's just faking.

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Speaker 3: In fact, he's faking worse than anybody we've ever seen

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Speaker 3: trying fake mental incompetence to stand trial. So we finally

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Speaker 2: William. We celebrated your birthday.

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Speaker 3: Late last night, just after five o'clock with a life

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Speaker 1: At least maybe longer after he's dead, keep him for

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Speaker 3: The kids are being raised by their grandmother and by

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Speaker 3: She's got a big family on both her mom's side

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Speaker 1: Wet's see what happens down the road, and awfully said,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and murder suicide, you know, many times murder just

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Speaker 4: After the Ohigh State game.

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Speaker 2: And so there's another lesson in this story, Willie.

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Speaker 3: It's don't DoorDash your abortion drugs to your head football

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Speaker 1: Michigan unless your own. Morris transgender, I don't think he

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Speaker 1: maybe that was a tip, a little queue right there.

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Speaker 1: and did nothing than because of the big game coming up. Well,

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Speaker 1: we got to run Rob Sanders once again. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: You've been on fourteen times. Joe Dieters held that record

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Speaker 1: this year, and I think number three things Rob. Number

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Speaker 4: You're number one in my book.

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Speaker 3: Well, Willie, it's been an honor and a pleasure. If

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Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken, I was your very first guest of

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Speaker 3: your break. Yes, and I've got to be I guess

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Speaker 3: a pleasure. Merry Christmas and happy Birthday to you, Bill,

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Speaker 3: Merry Christmas.

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Speaker 2: To the People's Judge, to Tony Bender.

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Speaker 3: Seg, Rocky, DJ Hodge, all my friends at seven hundred WLW,

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Speaker 3: the number one fan of the Bill Cunningham Show, Ross

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Speaker 3: Fine and everybody.

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Speaker 2: I hope you have a sing, happy and healthy new Year.

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Speaker 3: And I look forward Willie to hopefully talking to this

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Speaker 2: And you will be. You will be. Let's run it back.

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Speaker 2: We're going to defend this title two years in a

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Speaker 4: You'll be my first guest in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Rob, thank you very much, excellent Willy, have a great day.

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