1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: You're listening to kf I A M six forty on demand. 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 2: Now it's time to get deep out Saturdays. 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All right, 14 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 5: let's jump into it now. When it comes to everything 15 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,919 Speaker 5: that's going on with air travel, the air traffic controllers 16 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 5: are probably the most important segment or sector of this 17 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 5: entire conversation. It's not you the flyer, Sorry sorry to 18 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,839 Speaker 5: tell you that, but it's You're not the most important. 19 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 5: You are important, You're a customer, But I would think 20 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 5: that you would also consider that those who are responsible 21 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 5: for your safety would trump that right. Well, when it 22 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 5: comes to the most important people at the airport other 23 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 5: than the and the TSA, we're talking about the air 24 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 5: traffic controllers. They keep everything running. And we've heard numerous 25 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 5: stories in the recent weeks during this shutdown and prior 26 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 5: but definitely during this shutdown about near MISSUS if not 27 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 5: for air traffic controllers. Well, these air traffic controllers are 28 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 5: dealing with the major consequence of not having their paychecks 29 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 5: be steady. They haven't gotten paid in over five weeks. 30 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 5: I don't know about you. I don't know if you've 31 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 5: ever gone without pay for any period of time, but 32 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 5: when you miss a paycheck, it can change everything. You're 33 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 5: dipping into your savings if you are fortunate enough to 34 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 5: have one. You're moving things around to cover other things. 35 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 5: You're perhaps asking for leniency for things that are due, 36 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 5: pushing things back, foregoing this or that. It all to 37 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 5: your entire internal compass. You have to figure out how 38 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 5: to move differently. And these air traffic controllers are being 39 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 5: faced with these decisions all while still being asked to 40 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 5: show up for work. So it's not like you and 41 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 5: I where if we don't get paid it's perhaps because 42 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 5: you're on disability or you lose your job, or you've 43 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 5: been in an accident, or you're sick, or whatever it 44 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 5: may be, you're furloughed and you're not expected to come 45 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 5: to work. These people are being asked to still work 46 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 5: and without pay, so the time that they could use 47 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 5: to make money elsewhere they're not able to dedicate because 48 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 5: they are expected to still show up at these airports. Well, 49 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 5: the New York Times did a major expose into what 50 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 5: air traffic controllers are doing to survive during this shutdown, 51 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 5: and they chronicled many air traffs controllers, all of whom 52 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 5: were anonymous for fear of consequence, for fear of, of course, 53 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 5: losing their jobs or having something happen. But what they 54 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 5: all said is that they're panicked. They don't fully know 55 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 5: what to do, and with no end in sight, they're 56 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 5: exhausting every possible option to keep themselves and their families afloat. 57 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 5: The findings from the New York Times said that hundreds 58 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 5: of air traffic controllers across the United States have actually 59 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 5: taken on second and third jobs for places like Uber lift, 60 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 5: for delivering food, for working in restaurants behind the counter 61 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 5: as waiters waitresses as this government shut down stretches past 62 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 5: five weeks. This is according to the National Air Traffic 63 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:59,799 Speaker 5: Controllers Association. Now, that's a union that represents nearly twenty 64 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 5: thousand safety professionals in aviation, and they are saying that 65 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 5: their people are hurting, that they are hurting not just 66 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 5: financially but also physically. They're saying that their employees are 67 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 5: struggling to pay their bills and put food on the table, 68 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 5: and that these air traffic controllers who are working without 69 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 5: pay during the shutdown say that despite not getting a paycheck, 70 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:33,119 Speaker 5: they're dedicated to keeping air travel safe. There it goes, 71 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 5: they are going to work not because they love being there. 72 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 5: They're going to work to make sure that you and 73 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 5: I are safe because they know that in their absence, 74 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 5: so many different things can happen, and many of them 75 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 5: involve calamity. Now, in their dedication to keeping air travel safe, 76 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 5: they're saying that they are also being run into the 77 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 5: ground trying to support them selves and their families. I 78 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 5: looked up what the average air traffic controller salary is 79 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 5: for LAX and Lax is, of course considered to be 80 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 5: one of the more complicated, one of the largest airports 81 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 5: in the nation, and traffic controller safeties salaries. Air traffic 82 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 5: controller salaries range from sixty thousand at the entry level. 83 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 5: These are just just getting into the door all the 84 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 5: way up and past one hundred and fifty thousand. For 85 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 5: those who go to a specialized academy, and within three 86 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 5: years of graduating from that academy, they can expect to 87 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 5: earn well into the hundreds of thousands of dollars one 88 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 5: hundred and fifty thousand more with overtime. 89 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 6: So imagine missing a paycheck. 90 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 5: One of the air traffic controllers who was interviewed by 91 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 5: The New York Times said, I'm broken down, I'm sore, 92 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 5: I mentally trained. This particular person works at an air 93 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 5: in the Southeast, and he says that he's spent nearly 94 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 5: all of his free time this week, which is about 95 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 5: forty hours, hanging Christmas lights for pay. So he's still 96 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 5: going to work as an air traffic controller at a 97 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 5: major airport, but in his off time he is hanging 98 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 5: Christmas lights. He's doing odd jobs so that he can 99 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 5: garner some sort of income. He went on to say, 100 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 5: and this is heartbreaking. There's some times where I felt 101 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 5: like I was just going into the corner and crying 102 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 5: because it's been pretty tough to push through the physical pain, 103 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 5: the tiredness, and waking up the next day having to 104 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 5: do it all over again, hanging Christmas lights because he 105 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 5: still has to go to work and work a full 106 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 5: schedule as an air traffic controller, but with no pay now. He, 107 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 5: like others Inner reviewed for The New York Times, did 108 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 5: again speak on the condition of being anonymous out of 109 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 5: concern that making comments about the FAA could get him fired. 110 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 5: The National Air Traffic Controllers Association president Nick Daniels said 111 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 5: in an interview that controllers working other jobs in their 112 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 5: spare time absolutely made the air traffic system less safe. 113 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 5: What that means is this president of the National Air 114 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 5: Traffic Controllers Association, Nick Daniels, recognizes that people are pushing 115 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 5: themselves to the limits physically, and I hope they're not 116 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 5: taking melatonin, right, We're just linking things left and right. 117 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 5: But they're pushing themselves physically. They're wearing themselves down, and 118 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 5: they're going to work to make sure that planes are 119 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 5: moving about as they should under all of this stress 120 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 5: and dress. And Nick Daniels, the president of the NATCA, 121 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 5: came out and said that it's absolutely making air traffic 122 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 5: less safe. 123 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 6: Hear that clearly, this is the. 124 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 5: President of the National Air Traffic Controllers Association saying that 125 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 5: these air traffic controllers working in their spare time, are 126 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 5: causing air traffic safety to be in fact less safe. 127 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 5: And he's not trying to malign them, but he is 128 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 5: saying that he understands that mortgages and car payments and 129 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 5: other bills come due, and that these air traffic controllers 130 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 5: have few other options. When we come back, we're going 131 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 5: to continue with this story and we're going to talk 132 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 5: about what job performance actually entails and how these air 133 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 5: traffic controllers are seeing their job performance compromised as they 134 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 5: struggle to stay afloat during this shutdown. This is a serious, 135 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 5: serious issue, and it is, in my opinion, not being 136 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 5: talked about nearly enough. We're focusing on delays, long lines, 137 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:24,359 Speaker 5: higher prices, whatever it may be, to respond to the shutdown, 138 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 5: consequences of the shutdown, But what is not being examined 139 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 5: enough is that these air traffic controllers are working under 140 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 5: these conditions and all of our lives are basically in 141 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 5: their hands. Something has to give. We'll continue this deeper 142 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 5: dive on the other side of the break. I Am 143 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 5: six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 144 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: Tiffany Hobbs here, you're listening to KFI AM six forty 145 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: on demand. 146 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 5: Make sure you stay around because at seven, Michael Monks 147 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 5: comes aboard and we'll be talking to him at the 148 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 5: end of the end of the show to see what's 149 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 5: going on with his big show. Always a great listen. 150 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 5: Right now, we are smack dab in the middle of 151 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 5: our deeper Dive segment and we are looking at something 152 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 5: I feel should be talked about a lot more and isn't. 153 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 5: We're focusing on many different things during this government shutdown, 154 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,599 Speaker 5: but one that seems to be under the radar in 155 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 5: a very troubling way is what air traffic controllers are 156 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 5: being faced with. Specifically, there are lots of federal employees, 157 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 5: but air traffic controllers are probably amongst the most important 158 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 5: when it comes to how our country operates, because they 159 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 5: handle safety at our airports and they are struggling. The 160 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 5: New York Times did a story of a major expose 161 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 5: that aims to really open up this conversation, and it's 162 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 5: all about how these air traffic controllers are taking on 163 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 5: second and third jobs to make ends meet during the shutdown, 164 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 5: all while still going to work, because that is the expectation. 165 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 5: They're not furloughed and at home. No, they still have 166 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 5: to report to work and they're doing so without pay. 167 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 5: And this is for the foreseeable future until something changes. 168 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 7: Now. 169 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 5: When talking about how job performance could potentially be compromised, 170 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 5: there are air traffic controllers who are saying, when I 171 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,239 Speaker 5: go to work, I'm focused. 172 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 6: I make sure that this is the paramount operation for me. 173 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 5: I am not letting other factors affect my job performance. 174 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 5: But even the president of the National air Traffic Controllers 175 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 5: Association said what's happening to these air traffic controllers is 176 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 5: stretching them to thin, and he added that he does 177 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 5: not want them working other jobs because it absolutely quote 178 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 5: unquote makes air traffic systems less safe. But he went 179 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 5: on to say Nick Daniels, the president of the NATCA, 180 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 5: that he understands, he has empathy. He knows that people 181 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 5: have to pay for their livelihoods. There's one controller who 182 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 5: said that when you add in the sleep deprivation and 183 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 5: the worry about where your next paycheck is coming from, 184 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 5: if at all, that can't be good for the safety 185 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 5: of the flying public, and no, it cannot be good 186 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 5: because again they're working these other jobs during their off 187 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 5: time and then still reporting to work at the airports 188 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 5: that we frequent. For one controller in the Midwest, he 189 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 5: outlined his days for the article. He said that most 190 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 5: days begin at four am, and that's not at the airport. 191 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 5: That's at a grocery store stocking ice cream, frozen vegetables, 192 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:11,719 Speaker 5: and pizza. When his shift ends at four am, he 193 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 5: heads straight to the airport where he directs traffic from 194 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 5: eleven am to nine pm. He is working from four 195 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 5: am to nine pm, with one hour of commute time 196 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 5: in the middle so that he can get to the airport. 197 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 5: You cannot imagine that he is anything less than exhausted. 198 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 5: And you push yourself and you push yourself, but at 199 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 5: some point you break. He went on to say family 200 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 5: time is going to be nonexistent. He has two sons 201 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 5: and said his wife recently underwent a medical procedure and 202 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 5: that he won't be able to help his wife much, 203 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 5: but he has to make sure that they can pay 204 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 5: the bills now. Transportation Secretary Seanda Duffy has discouraged air 205 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 5: traffic controllers from working other jobs though he too has 206 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 5: acknowledged that many must make these difficult choices to support 207 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 5: their families. I looked up what Sean Duffy's salary is. 208 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 5: His salary is two hundred and twenty one thousand, four 209 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 5: hundred dollars per year. He, like other federal employees or 210 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 5: government employees, are getting paid. 211 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 6: He is getting paid. I mean members of Congress. 212 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 5: They are getting paid during the shutdown due to a 213 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 5: federal law that says members of Congress have to be paid. 214 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 5: Air traffic controllers do not, janitors do not, but members 215 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:49,479 Speaker 5: of Congress under federal law, like Sean Duffy, our Transportation secretary, 216 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 5: do have to be paid. He's still enjoying whatever his 217 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 5: monthly takeaway is for his two hundred and twenty one thousand, 218 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 5: four hundred year salary. 219 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 6: Okay. 220 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 5: He went on to say, Sean Duffy, I don't want them, 221 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 5: the air traffic controllers delivering for door dash. I don't 222 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 5: want them driving uber. I want them coming to their 223 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 5: facilities and controlling the air space. Easy for you to say, 224 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 5: Sean Duffy, because you're still getting paid now. Early career 225 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 5: controllers are the ones who are are being said to 226 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 5: be taking most of the brunt of this shutdown impact, 227 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 5: as they make less money and generally have less in 228 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 5: savings than the older, more experienced controllers. The younger ones 229 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 5: are the ones or early career controllers are the ones 230 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 5: taking on the second jobs, but a greater number of 231 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 5: veteran controllers are saying that they too will soon be 232 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 5: forced to pick up gigwork if they miss a second 233 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 5: full paycheck, which they would normally receive early next week, 234 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 5: and if they don't, they're saying they don't know how 235 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 5: they're going to make it. One controller with twenty years 236 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 5: of experience told The Times that one more round of 237 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 5: mortgage and car payments would zero out his savings. The 238 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 5: other caveat air traffic controllers are not eligible to collect 239 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 5: unemployment benefits during the shutdown because they are still employed 240 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 5: even though they are not being paid. So these air 241 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 5: traffic controllers are dealing with all of these challenges in 242 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 5: addition to having a shortage of actual employees. They were 243 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 5: already managing these challenges prior to the shutdown that made 244 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 5: work more strenuous, put more demands on each one of them, 245 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 5: and now with them going to work, not being paid 246 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 5: and with no resolution, seemingly available. What they're saying is 247 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 5: that this is going to lead to safety comp remise, 248 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 5: and that the only thing that will lead to safety 249 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 5: is opening the government and getting back to these long 250 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 5: term commitments of making sure that air traffic controllers are 251 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 5: hired and trained and of course paid. 252 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 6: That is what's going on. That's our deeper dive. 253 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 5: It's not talked about enough what these air traffic controllers 254 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 5: are going through. If you are one, or family or 255 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 5: friend to one, I just I bow, I bow to 256 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 5: you because we owe you a lot of gratitude for 257 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 5: what you're doing. When we come back, we're going to 258 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 5: get into our scammers Gonna scam segment, and I'll tell 259 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 5: you why renting an apartment right now is a risk, 260 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 5: and that's because there are scammers putting up fake ads. 261 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 6: That you might fall for. All of that and the 262 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 6: viral load before the end of the show. 263 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 5: Right here on Saturdays with Tiffany k If, I am 264 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 5: six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 265 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: You're listening to six forty on demand. 266 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 5: One of the things that came out of the Pasadena, 267 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 5: Sa Dina and Palisades fire situation ten months ago were 268 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 5: that people affected became vulnerable to all sorts of scams. 269 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 5: You can imagine that they just were right for the picking. 270 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 5: They were needing certain services, of course, needing shelter and 271 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 5: other provisions, and then the scammers came out and tried 272 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 5: to pull the wool over their eyes. And luckily, there 273 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 5: aren't too many stories about people falling victim to these 274 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 5: sorts of scams, but that doesn't mean that they don't exist. 275 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 5: And there was a bit of a lull, and now 276 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 5: one of the more popular scams is back. And what 277 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 5: that scam is is the using of real apartment rental 278 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 5: listings to lure in people, but then not being able 279 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 5: to make good on those listings because all of the 280 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 5: contact information leads back to fake agents or fake sellers 281 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 5: or landlords or whatever it may be. They use these 282 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 5: fake listings to get your attention, and then when you're 283 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 5: ready and you send your money, there's no listing. 284 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 4: Big bedroom with a balcony which you're going to see 285 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 4: in a second, which is really cool. 286 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 8: The ads look real and appealing, but experts ay beware 287 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 8: of apartment hunting on social media apps like Instagram and TikTok. 288 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 8: Many of these videos we found are posted by scammers 289 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 8: impersonating real agents and manipulating real listings. New York real 290 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 8: estate agent Mike Bussy runs real nyc apartments. 291 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 4: So that's your video, that's my video twelve million views 292 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 4: on that. 293 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 8: He showed us how fraudsters repost his videos on bogus accounts, 294 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 8: claiming to have rents far below market rate, all with 295 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 8: the intent of luring potential renters to send an application 296 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 8: fee quickly before the deal disappears. 297 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 4: This is a two bed two and a half that 298 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 4: took Each bedroom has its own private on sweep bath. 299 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 4: My mother had shown me the video and gone, Mike, 300 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 4: this is such a good deal, I'll rent it myself. 301 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 4: My mother is a very intelligent person, so she felt 302 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 4: for this. Imagine how many other people have fallen for this. 303 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 4: And also she had assumed that I was trying to 304 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 4: drum up more business by lying cool, So I can't 305 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 4: imagine how many people have thought that of me as well. 306 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 8: The scammer say this goes for seventeen hundred a month, 307 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 8: what's the reality. 308 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 6: The reality is it's twelve thousand dollars a month. The 309 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 6: problem getting worse. In just the first five months of 310 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 6: this year. 311 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 8: The FBI received more than one hundred and thirty real 312 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 8: estate complaints referencing social media sites, with people reporting about 313 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 8: six hundred thousand dollars loss to scammers, about the same 314 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 8: number of complaints received in all of last year. Twenty 315 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 8: eight year old Jenny Diaz thought she found her dream 316 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 8: apartment in Manhat for eleven hundred dollars a month. 317 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 6: Everything looked legit, they looked really nice. 318 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 5: Eleven hundred dollars in Manhattan. Yes, sure, anyone will tell 319 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 5: you eleven hundred dollars in Manhattan isn't getting you a 320 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 5: closet let alone a dream apartment. So I don't want 321 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 5: a victim blame or victim's shame here. But she should 322 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 5: have known better, but many people don't. They don't, and 323 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 5: they they're they're finding these listings that just speak to 324 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 5: their hearts and tug at their wallets, and they think 325 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 5: it's just the perfect place and it is too good 326 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 5: to be true, and before you know it, you're out 327 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 5: of whatever it is that you have given to these 328 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 5: fake agents, these scammers. And the reason I tie in 329 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 5: out toa Diena and Palisades and Pasadena is because, of course, 330 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 5: since the fires and especially right after the fires early January, 331 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 5: people started looking for housing, and they were looking all 332 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 5: over the place, and of course people were looking in 333 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 5: proximity to where they were, what they were used to, 334 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 5: to where their livelihoods mainly were. And rental scams started 335 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 5: popping up left and right, just trying to manipulate the 336 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 5: emotions of these people who were so ready and anxious 337 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 5: to get themselves into secure housing. I saw them because 338 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 5: I just happened to see these things pop up on 339 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 5: telephone polls. 340 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 6: I would see ads or posters for what did I see? 341 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 5: I think I saw a five bedroom, which obviously tells 342 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 5: you that they were speaking to what they assumed would 343 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 5: be a large family, a five bedroom, multi bath, And 344 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 5: it was like two thousand a month in Los Angeles, 345 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 5: unheard of, unheard of. But when you are desperate, and 346 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 5: if you do not know, you might call the number 347 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 5: and you might at least, at the very least pay 348 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 5: the thirty or forty or fifty dollars application fee, to 349 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 5: which that money would then go into the ether and 350 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 5: be gone forever, because now the scammers have it, and 351 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 5: God forbid, you pay digitally of than which they have 352 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 5: your credit card or debit card or banking information. This 353 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 5: happened to people. And I say the scam is back 354 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 5: after a lull because as people started to catch on, 355 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 5: the scam more or less dissipated. But now ten months 356 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 5: later the scam is more or less back. And I 357 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 5: often look at I'd say the end of a semester, 358 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 5: think of college students who might be moving out, moving home, people, 359 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 5: you know, big whatever the case, these kind of big moments. 360 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 5: The scammers know how things ebb and flow, and they 361 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 5: are looking to get you. You involved in their scam. 362 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 5: They say you can pay a refundable application fee. That's 363 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 5: a scam. They tell you to pay a holding deposit 364 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 5: and then you can't find any further information. You have 365 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 5: just been scammed. They stop responding to you. That should 366 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 5: be a pretty big red flag. And it's a growing problem. 367 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 5: As the FBI said, they said they've been getting hundreds 368 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 5: and hundreds of complaints since the beginning of the year, 369 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 5: and that is more than what they got last year. 370 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 5: It continues to be on the uptick. I looked up 371 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 5: just on Google scams rental scams Southern California and there 372 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 5: were there's just a litany of results here and many 373 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 5: of them point to Craigslist. 374 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 6: They point to Craigslist. 375 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 5: I don't want to vilify an entire website, but I 376 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 5: know when I've looked for things on Craiglist, Craigslist, especially 377 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 5: rental properties, it's it's it's a it's a crapshoot. It's 378 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 5: it's like Russian rulette. So you have to be very 379 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 5: very careful. If it looks too good to be true. 380 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 5: You know the adage it is it is. You're not 381 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 5: getting a five bedroom, four bathroom apartment that accepts dogs 382 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 5: and has a city view for twelve hundred dollars. 383 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 6: You're not. 384 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 5: I'm sorry to tell you this is Los Angeles. Check 385 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 5: the market rate. Never pay someone you haven't met in person, 386 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 5: and do not send money for an apartment that you've 387 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 5: not seen. 388 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,479 Speaker 6: With your own eyes. 389 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: Do not do that. 390 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 5: They know that you will, and that's why this scam 391 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 5: continues to be successful. When we come back, we're going 392 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 5: to get into the viral load. If you are looking 393 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 5: to get married, perhaps buying a billboard will increase your chances. 394 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 6: I'll tell you what one. 395 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 5: California wants and did to find mister Wright, and I'll say, 396 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 5: if you have a few thousand dollars, you might be 397 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 5: able to do. 398 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 6: What she did and maybe get a few dates out 399 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 6: of the deal. 400 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 5: On the other side of the break, ka if I 401 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 5: am six forty live everywhere in the iHeartRadio app Tifnany 402 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 5: Hobbs here for one more segment. 403 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,719 Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. 404 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 6: Tiffany Hobbs here for one more segment. 405 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 5: Okay, if you are interested in dating, you might go 406 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 5: out to meet someone. You might even get on a 407 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 5: dating app. I think the dating app wave missed me. 408 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 5: I am more of an organic meet and greet type person. 409 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 5: I'm in a relationship, so I can't do any of that. 410 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 5: But if I were single, I don't know. Own dating 411 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 5: apps not really my thing. It's again, you don't know 412 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 5: what you're getting. Are you getting a scam? Are you 413 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 5: getting a scammer who knows well? One one and said 414 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 5: that she was so tired of dating apps, she was 415 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,719 Speaker 5: so fatigued by the results she was getting on dating apps, 416 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 5: and apparently in person, in the real life or in 417 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 5: the real world, where I would suggest she spend more time. 418 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 6: To be honest, no judgment. 419 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 5: That she decided to sink thousands of dollars into billboards 420 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 5: along the one oh one. All right, let's give you 421 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 5: the full details here. Her name is Lisa Catalano. She's 422 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 5: forty two, and she has created this viral campaign. It's 423 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 5: viral because, of course, people are taking pictures of it, 424 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 5: posting it. 425 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 6: And she has these billboards. 426 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 5: They say Mary Lisa, and then they have a website 427 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 5: there that links directly to the website that Lisa Catialano 428 00:28:55,160 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 5: created to field potential suitors. She created her own own 429 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 5: personal dating website, and she bought these billboards that are 430 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 5: along the one oh one all throughout the Bay Area 431 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 5: from Santa Clara to San Francisco, and she is advertising 432 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 5: herself as being an eligible bachelorette who is seeking marriage 433 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 5: Mary Lisa running along the freeway from Santa Clara to 434 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 5: San Francisco. 435 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 2: Now. 436 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 5: She launched this website back in September. She has since 437 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 5: received more than thirty eight hundred applications from people, and 438 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 5: she said that unfortunately, many of them are duds. 439 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 6: They're duds. 440 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 5: She said that while there are some who are pretty interesting, 441 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 5: many of the applicants aren't interested in getting married or 442 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 5: having kids. You think, Lisa, you think, my dear, She 443 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 5: says she wants kids, she wants to get married. She's 444 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 5: looking for someone between thirty five and forty five. She 445 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 5: also said that she's getting a lot of men who 446 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 5: are in their twenties. You think Lisa sixties or seventies, 447 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 5: which she says is another deal breaker for her. 448 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 6: She says that she has actually. 449 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 5: Involved herself in about three hundred and fifty applications from 450 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 5: men she considers as eligible and meeting her criteria, and 451 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 5: at last report, she's still working her way through reviewing 452 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 5: their applications, working her way through. 453 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 6: I bet she is Lisa Catialano. 454 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:42,719 Speaker 1: Now. 455 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 6: I looked up how much a billboard costs. 456 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 5: In Santa Clara twenty five hundred dollars to ten thousand 457 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 5: dollars per month. And she has multiple And that's along 458 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 5: the one oh one. Lisa Catillano has some money, but 459 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 5: she can't find a date. Michael Monks, you're here, good evening. 460 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 7: I no longer need dates on marriage. 461 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 2: It's nice to dates with the spouses. 462 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 5: It is if you were single, would you do the 463 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 5: dating app or would you prefer the in person organic 464 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 5: meet and greet apps? 465 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 7: Really? 466 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: Did you? Oh? 467 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 7: It's it's difficult when and this was back home, but 468 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 7: I was on the radio there too. You're a public 469 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 7: facing individual. If you're not being fixed up by somebody, 470 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 7: it's for me. It just felt like it was a 471 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 7: more controlled environment. You didn't want to embarrass himself. Go 472 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 7: back and I'd be in the public and I don't 473 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 7: want to. 474 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 6: I don't want a. 475 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 7: Bunch of screenshots going around or a bunch of stories 476 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 7: going around, And this dip wise. 477 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 6: Isn't that funny? We have to consider that. We actually 478 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 6: have to consider you do. I mean, that's that's. 479 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 7: Why I think, like, look, how much fame do we 480 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 7: have being on the radio A Monica. 481 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 2: Yes, and that's exciting. 482 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 7: So I mean we're not like walking the Red Carpets type, 483 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 7: But those those people haven't even work. 484 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 6: I can't imagine, you know. 485 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 7: I think if you're any respectful, respectable individual who is 486 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 7: tightly managing your reputation, I think the apps are easier. 487 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 5: Okay, okay, I'll keep that in mind. Should this go awry, 488 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 5: he's listening, I don't. 489 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 7: Want to say something naughty or dirty or something true screenshotted. 490 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 7: I felt like I had more control there. 491 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 5: So I think if the apps is so temporary, it's 492 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 5: you know so so so perishable. You can just click, 493 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 5: swipe whatever they do and keep it push in versus 494 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 5: in persons a little bit more of a connection. 495 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 7: You have to be and this word has become a 496 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 7: bit of a cliche, but you have to be very 497 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 7: intentional with it. I certainly was, and it worked out 498 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 7: for me. 499 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: It did. 500 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 8: Yeah. 501 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 7: So you know, like if there's a premium level to 502 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 7: pay for I did that, okay, and that limits who 503 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 7: can contact you. It allows you to reach out to 504 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 7: a farther big money Mike Michael much. It was worth it, 505 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 7: you know, and you know, it just creates a safer 506 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 7: space on there. And I went in it with serious intention, 507 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 7: not for you know, just messing around. Let's go in, 508 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 7: let's find something real and getting old. If it hadn't 509 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 7: have worked, was you have done the billboard route Mney. 510 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 5: That's humiliating and she has multiple She's putting herself out 511 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 5: there out there. 512 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 7: Look, I'm not actually going to shame anybody for the 513 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 7: way they want to find love. Everybody once it's a 514 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 7: lonely world, man, it really is good luck to you. 515 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 7: But that's a little too thirsty for my taste. 516 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 5: It's a little thirsty and all that money, I'm like, 517 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,479 Speaker 5: you could be paying air traffic controllers who probably need 518 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 5: it more. Anyway, what's going on on your show? 519 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 7: Well, we're going to pick up where you left off 520 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 7: on the air traffic control situation, because it is a 521 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 7: mess out there. But we're going to dive into Prop 522 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 7: fifty also because of course voters in California overwhelmingly passed that. 523 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 7: But it was so successful that now Governor Newsom is 524 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 7: in another state touting its success, and so we will 525 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 7: take you to that state and hear what the governor 526 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 7: had to say. The Port of Long Beach came out 527 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 7: with its statistics for the previous month and there was 528 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 7: a big slow down. They say the tariffs never really 529 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 7: manifested in any type of doom and gloom way for 530 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 7: Long Beach. 531 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 5: But you can. 532 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 7: Expect to see fewer toys on the shelves this coming 533 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 7: Christmas season. 534 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 6: So we'll talk about that. 535 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 7: And there were some arrest after last week's Dodger celebration 536 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,280 Speaker 7: starts of LA and they came many days after that celebration. 537 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:23,760 Speaker 7: We'll talk about why. 538 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 6: That sounds like a full show of fun stuff and 539 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 6: stuff that we need to know. 540 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 5: Michael Monks Well, I hope we'll be listening. I'll be 541 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 5: listening on my way home. Appreciate that I always do. 542 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 5: And it's on at home for my dogs too, So 543 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 5: I got you in multiple places. 544 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 7: I'm very popular with the dog demo. 545 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 6: They love you. 546 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 5: Hey, let me get them like a little Michael Monks 547 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,919 Speaker 5: like sweater or something. It'd be really, really cute. It's 548 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 5: been a blast hanging out with you. If you missed 549 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 5: any of tonight's show, you can certainly go to the 550 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 5: Saturdays with Tiffany tab on the KFI AM six forty website. 551 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 5: If you sent in any of your talkbacks, I unfortunately 552 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 5: couldn't get to my apologize, but I will certainly listen 553 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 5: to them. Thank you so much, and I will see 554 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 5: you here next Saturday. It's been wonderful. Have a great 555 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 5: rest of your weekend, and stay tuned for Michael Monks 556 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 5: reports kf I AM six forty live everywhere on the 557 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:16,240 Speaker 5: iHeartRadio 558 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: App, KFI AM six forty on demand