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Speaker 2: Is this snowing out there? I can't tell? Is it

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Speaker 3: So you'll have if you had a convertible top would

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Speaker 2: You'd be one of those people you will be.

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Speaker 3: It's possible you'll be on your on your bicycle shirtless tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'll go for a walk. Why wouldn't you hit

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Speaker 3: By the way, No, I don't want Chris Paul In fact,

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Speaker 3: he just got traded to Toronto, didn't he The.

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Speaker 3: I don't want Chris Paul. And even the problem again

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Speaker 3: And inevitably JJ was asked about the other JJ, JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 4: As of right now, JJ is my quarterback, so uh,

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Speaker 5: Now, what is one thing fans can hang on to,

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Speaker 5: I need to think that, Well, what needs to change?

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Speaker 3: There's no other way to look at it. That season

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Speaker 3: But it was one they did not They did not

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Speaker 3: intend to be a gap year. Minnesota Wild have one

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Speaker 2: It is tonight. It is right here on the fan.

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Speaker 3: They begin the evening five points back of the Colorado

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Speaker 2: Nice overtime victory.

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Speaker 2: It was great. So that's going on tonight you'll hear

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Speaker 3: it's not a print out, it's actually written by that

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Speaker 3: in their hand, longhand by that individual. It's it feels

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Speaker 3: like it's from a different era, and I guess it

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Speaker 3: quite frankly kind of is. We will pause here a

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Speaker 3: lot to get to with Special k Pat Kessler on

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Speaker 3: a fairly eventful day in the A section locally, he'll

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Speaker 3: give us an update.

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Speaker 2: On a number of fronts.

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Speaker 3: Will continue to monitor the wires to see if there

447
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Speaker 3: are any new, you know, credible reports regarding what the

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Speaker 3: timber Wolves might be up to. And yes, apparently there

449
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Speaker 3: is a chance that Mike Conley could end up back

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Speaker 3: here on a minimum contract now that he's been traded

451
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Speaker 3: a second time, first by the Wolves and now more

452
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Speaker 3: recently by the Bulls. But there is nothing official yet

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Speaker 3: on that happening as well, So we'll keep abreast of

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Speaker 3: all that as we prepare to talk a section stuff

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Speaker 3: with mister Kesler.

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Speaker 2: That's next.

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Speaker 7: I wish the American media would take a great look

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Speaker 7: at the views that the people in conference and find

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Speaker 7: out how they col America or anti.

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Speaker 3: America, Pat Kessler, because people have got to know whether

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Speaker 3: or not their presidents are croup.

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Speaker 2: I can't trust Obama. Pussler tear down this wall. I

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Speaker 2: did nothing wrong at the Minneapolis Airport. Senator Yo, no,

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Speaker 2: Jack Kennedy Kssler.

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Speaker 3: And now to help Dan break down all the tough

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Speaker 3: questions in politics, it's our own Kssler political walk.

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Speaker 2: I feel like a supermodel, except like Times ten, it's

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Speaker 2: Channel fours with Dan Morrero on the fan. That's such

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Speaker 2: a whiner, that's all I mean.

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Speaker 3: Kessler comes in here once a week and and if

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Speaker 3: things aren't in perfect position for him, sure, I guess

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Speaker 3: that's what happens. Eventually you get older, you get crusty,

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Speaker 3: or you get more. By the way, happy National Curmudgeons Day.

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Speaker 3: That was I think was it late last week? I

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Speaker 3: miss that? I think you celebrate that every year. That's

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Speaker 3: called every day. That's absolutely well. Right now, you're acting

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Speaker 3: more curmudgelingly than meipes. No, I got nothing for you.

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Speaker 3: Who sits here during the morning show? Rosen, No, he's

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Speaker 3: not on the morning show anymore. No, that's like Marnie

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Speaker 3: Mark Parrish. That's kind of that's good. That's what you

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Speaker 3: don't like?

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Speaker 2: The what's wrong with the chair? Right there?

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Speaker 3: Is it? Because it's got no arms on that chair?

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Speaker 3: Do I not want to sit in well for the

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Speaker 3: morning show?

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Speaker 2: That? There's really no good answer.

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Speaker 3: It all gets sanitized, it all gets really I want

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Speaker 3: picture this, Pat Kestler. I want you to picture.

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Speaker 2: Where did it go? Did I lose it?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Come on, I thought I had it. I'll see if

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Speaker 2: I had it here? Yeah, here it is here it is.

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Speaker 3: Picture yourself as a grizzled, perhaps curmudgeonly, easy reporter who

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Speaker 3: prides himself for herself on covering the story that no

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Speaker 3: one else wants to cover. A very few, dude, why

496
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Speaker 3: because it's dangerous. It is literally putting yourself in harm's

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Speaker 3: way on a daily basis. Let's say, for example, you're

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Speaker 3: covering the war in Ukraine and erin Keith. You're exactly

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Speaker 3: and you're sending out tweets like this one January twenty

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Speaker 3: fifth of this year, waking up without power, heat or

501
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Speaker 3: running water again, but the work here in Kiev continues,

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Speaker 3: warming up in the car, riding in pencil, pen ink

503
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Speaker 3: freezes by headlamp. And despite how difficult this job can be,

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Speaker 3: I am proud to be a foreign correspondent at the

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Speaker 3: Washington Post. Imagine being that individual, only to find out

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Speaker 3: earlier today that you have been laid off in the

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Speaker 3: middle of a war zone.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to imagine it.

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Speaker 3: Lizzie Johnson, Washington Post writer reporter, is an exactly that position, tweeting.

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Speaker 2: Out, I have no words.

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Speaker 3: I am devastated. I have so much admiration. We've talked

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Speaker 3: about this before for people who cover wars. I can't

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Speaker 3: even imagine. I consider myself a tough guy. Come on, man,

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Speaker 3: I'm not even in I can't even begin to fathom

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Speaker 3: the kahanas you have to have. Male or female in

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Speaker 3: order to do that job and to find out today Now,

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Speaker 3: maybe she knew it was coming because there were a

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Speaker 3: lot of word on the street that the Washington Post

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Speaker 3: was going to be slicing a lot of its you know,

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Speaker 3: many of its sections, basically neutering several of them, just

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Speaker 3: cutting them out. But imagine still being in that position

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Speaker 3: describing what she'd just described as late as last you know,

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Speaker 3: the last week of January, and you find out you're

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Speaker 3: there and you no longer have a job with that publication.

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Speaker 7: This is extremely discouraging to see what's happening and to

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Speaker 7: what once was the crown jewel of American journalism, the

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Speaker 7: Washington Post. Today it's announced that they're laying off three hundred,

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Speaker 7: three hundred journalists. And reading that post from Lizzie Johnson,

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Speaker 7: is that her name, letter name ka right in Kiev

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Speaker 7: just sent me into a tailspan. I went down a

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Speaker 7: rabbit hole trying to find out is that true?

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Speaker 2: It's true? She was notified?

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Speaker 7: Was she notified in the sub zero temperature during an

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Speaker 7: attack by email that your job is eliminated? And now

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Speaker 7: what and now what are they going to get her

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Speaker 7: out of the war theater? Are they going to bring

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Speaker 7: her home. I mean, what is going on here? Nobody

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Speaker 7: called her the people who who actually are sacrificing more

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Speaker 7: than almost anybody else. So that's just one terrible, terrible

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Speaker 7: story from the Washington Post where three hundred of the

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Speaker 7: roughly eight hundred journalists are laid off. They are cutting

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Speaker 7: almost all of their international coverage, all their foreign coverage

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Speaker 7: and interesting sports, and they're cutting out the entire sports section.

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Speaker 7: They are moving a couple of sports reporters over to

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Speaker 7: the features area because it's culture right now for those

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Speaker 7: of us who believe that the sports section, the A

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Speaker 7: section is what keeps the sports section dry when it

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Speaker 7: hits the front porch, you know that you protect it

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Speaker 7: with that. You're cutting that out. You've cut out many

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Speaker 7: other parts of the paper. This is a promise broken

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Speaker 7: by Jeff Bezos, one of the richest, if not the

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Speaker 7: richest man in the world next to Elon Musk.

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Speaker 2: Promise broken. He was going to build up this crown

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Speaker 2: jewel and make it greater than ever before. He is

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Speaker 2: cutting it. Why not just sell it? Why not sell it?

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Speaker 2: At the same time where he is he is laying

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Speaker 2: off sixteen thousand workers at Amazon also, so what is

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Speaker 2: going on.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's and look that we all know the traditional

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Speaker 3: newspaper model is dying.

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Speaker 2: That's part of the story.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about However, I want to read something that

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Speaker 3: Sally Jenkins wrote a long time Washington Post sports columnist,

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Speaker 3: among other jobs that she had, because I think she

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Speaker 3: makes an important point here. She writes, making money at

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Speaker 3: journalism you have to break rocks with a shovel. You

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Speaker 3: have to love thinking about journalism to the point that

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Speaker 3: it wakes you up at night with an idea, and

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Speaker 3: then you have to be willing to try it. And

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Speaker 3: I don't see a sense that he, your guy Bezos,

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Speaker 3: loves the business enough to think about it at night.

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Speaker 3: It's almost like he's treated it like pets dot com,

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Speaker 3: an interesting experiment that he's willing to lose some money

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Speaker 3: on until he's not. But the difference with this business

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Speaker 3: is it's not pets dot com.

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Speaker 2: It's not a.

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Speaker 3: Business, this business that just disappears into the muck of

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Speaker 3: venture capitalism. It is a business that is essential to

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Speaker 3: the survival of the Republican Republic for bleep's sake. So

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Speaker 3: you don't bleep around with it like that. Now I

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Speaker 3: know there's going to be. There's people who are going

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Speaker 3: to mock and ridicule her and say you don't understand,

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Speaker 3: and good luck, that's just the way it is.

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Speaker 2: Just deal with it.

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Speaker 3: But she's onto something at its best. It is more

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Speaker 3: than just another business or just a commodity like pets

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Speaker 3: dot com. The meaning of it is so much greater.

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Speaker 3: And look, somebody who wrote it. I mentioned it earlier

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Speaker 3: in the show. It's almost like we're headed towards two

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Speaker 3: parts of the modern media, the New York Times, maybe

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Speaker 3: the Wall Street journals and five million substack columns. That

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Speaker 3: that's really what has that that's what it's going to

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Speaker 3: be in the future, because you know, and I know

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Speaker 3: more and more newspapers are going to continue to cut

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Speaker 3: back or in many cases eventually go away entirely.

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Speaker 2: And I'm old enough to lament that variety.

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Speaker 3: What I think it also represented, not to mention what

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Speaker 3: you and I have talked about before, the number of

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Speaker 3: smaller town newspapers that have all but ceased to exist,

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Speaker 3: at least to the extent that they can't.

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Speaker 2: Afford reporters covering.

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Speaker 3: City council and at places like that, you could say

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Speaker 3: it might even hurt more than in places like metropolitan areas.

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Speaker 3: So again, I know I sounded like it back in

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Speaker 3: my day, and.

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Speaker 2: I'll go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Dan, you're one of those, you know, newspaper guys,

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Speaker 3: and you're acting like the world's coming to an end.

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Speaker 3: It's not coming to an end, but it's changing, and

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Speaker 3: in this regard, I don't think it's changing for the better.

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Speaker 7: Well, this is sad because of what we have grown

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Speaker 7: up with in this country with the Washington Post and

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Speaker 7: other newspapers.

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Speaker 2: But there is some hope.

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Speaker 7: There is an entirely new landscape for journalism that does

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Speaker 7: include social media. It's for newspapers figuring out and also

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Speaker 7: television stations and radio stations figuring out how to monetize

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Speaker 7: the product. So when you look at the New York Times,

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Speaker 7: for example, it's not just the New York Times, which

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Speaker 7: is the greatest journalism in the world, and the Wall

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Speaker 7: Street Journal also incredible journalism.

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Speaker 3: There.

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Speaker 7: It is paying for the New York Times cooking section,

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Speaker 7: wordle and all the games, paying for podcasts, all of

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Speaker 7: these things which can monetize and make a journalism institution better.

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Speaker 7: It doesn't look like the Washington Post seriously investigated, examined

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Speaker 7: that way to go, which makes it all more difficult

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Speaker 7: to watch it.

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Speaker 2: Whether on the vine.

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Speaker 3: There are groups out there who would love to buy

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Speaker 3: it and make it what it once was.

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Speaker 7: But you mentioned the platforms and the sub stacks. There

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Speaker 7: are some organizations, some news organizations that are pretty damn good,

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Speaker 7: and one is the rise of the Atlantic Magazine, which

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Speaker 7: rivals what the Washington Post used to do.

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Speaker 2: Number two.

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Speaker 7: Organizations online organization's newspapers like Pro Publica, which are really incredible.

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Speaker 7: And locally you have men posts, You've got the Minnesota Reformer.

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Speaker 7: You've got these groups and organizations and newsletters here where

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Speaker 7: you could absolutely do this. But I mean the Washington

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Speaker 7: Post gave it up. And what makes it more difficult

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Speaker 7: for people to stomach is that it appears all the

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Speaker 7: signs point to Bezos, the owner, Jeff Bezos, doing this

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Speaker 7: in service of Donald Trump. Now that raises a very

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Speaker 7: difficult issue. But they lost hundreds of thousands of subscribers

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Speaker 7: because of the cutbacks that Bezos wanted to do and did.

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Speaker 7: And now where are we so have added people all

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Speaker 7: our listeners. Let us know what you think, but my goodness,

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Speaker 7: this is worth noting.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 3: Let's as you said, there's a lot of other things

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Speaker 3: to get to it. I didn't want to ignore that

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Speaker 3: significant story. So your guy, Tom Holman, he's still here.

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Speaker 3: He had a presser this morning in which he made

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Speaker 3: a series of announcements. Give our audience those who have

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Speaker 3: not been paying close attention what he had to say,

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Speaker 3: How significant it is.

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Speaker 2: Are we are?

659
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 3: We are we seeing concrete signs of change and that

660
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 3: we're headed to maybe a more peaceable or peaceful place.

661
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 7: What do you think, Well, let's talk about it. Couple

662
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 7: of things. Where the borders are. Tom Holman did announce

663
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 7: this morning what I think is hopeful news, right direction

664
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 7: news are the drawdown of seven hundred troops in Minnesota

665
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 7: immediately effective today, but it still leaves a couple thousand

666
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 7: ICE and in Border Patrol agents here in Minnesota and

667
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 7: particularly in Minneapolis. He also announces that all ICE agents

668
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 7: will now wear body cams.

669
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 2: It's about freaking time.

670
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 7: And he says that county jails are going to consider

671
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 7: working with ICE to hand over undocumented inmates that they

672
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 7: might have staying at their jail. So is this progress?

673
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 7: Is it really?

674
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm still seeing videos today of ICE agents

675
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 3: being extremely aggressive and Minnesota Democratic leaders and many protesters

676
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 3: that are in the movement now say this ain't enough.

677
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: Don't believe it until you see it.

678
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 7: And is this just a way for the Trump administration

679
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 7: to hold everybody off while they try to get the

680
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 7: government reopened and have ICE funded because the Democrats are

681
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 7: trying to shut it down. So I don't know, man.

682
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: I think it's probably good news, but we just don't know.

683
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 7: I would say, trust, but verify, because there's no evidence

684
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 7: right now that people are not getting pulled out of cars,

685
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 7: that ICE agents aren't stopping people who are following them

686
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 7: and pulling guns, deporting little kids to other states and

687
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 7: detention centers. We don't know that yet, so I'd say

688
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 7: you got to wait. Remember he's saying that county jails

689
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 7: might turn over people.

690
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 3: That was one of the very, very big issues. I

691
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 3: want enough to remember this that when Obama was president,

692
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 3: Minnesota jails did turn over undocumented people.

693
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 2: To ICE.

694
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 7: And if I'm not mistaken, I think ICE actually had

695
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 7: an office in the Hennipent County Sheriff's office. I think

696
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 7: they had an office there where you had somebody there

697
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 7: and they would turn people over. And Obama got a

698
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 7: lot of grief for this because people were being deported

699
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 7: who did not have criminal records or serious criminal records.

700
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: So I don't know, maybe the past, maybe we're going

701
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 2: back to the future here. How did you pull that off?

702
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 7: Well, because the county jails worked with ICE, and I

703
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 7: think there were probably one hundred and.

704
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 2: Fifty ICE agents here in.

705
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 7: Minnesota, and in fact there were no laws against that.

706
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 7: The county jails would hold undocumented immigrants for up to

707
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 7: forty eight hours after they had served their sentence. Well,

708
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 7: a lot of the progressives were starting to say, well, look,

709
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 7: they've served.

710
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 2: Their time, you can't hold them.

711
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 7: And that's when, like twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, that is

712
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 7: when we start to see the rise of laws like

713
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 7: sanctuary cities, you can't cooperate with ICE all of that.

714
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 7: So this happened when lefty lefty Obama was president. And

715
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 7: the difference now is the chaos and confusion and the

716
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 7: ugliness of what these ICE agents are doing here.

717
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 3: We had Paul Blum on yesterday and he had been

718
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 3: in court in federal court, taught writing well, I should say,

719
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 3: reporting on and chatting with us about this ICE attorney

720
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 3: named Julie Lee. I think is how you pronounced her

721
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 3: last name, and she had been she'd had a meltdown

722
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 3: in court in front of the judge, saying this was

723
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 3: in front of Judge Jerry Blackwell, the system suck, The

724
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 3: system sucks, this job sucks about this is what she

725
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 3: told the judge. He had said the question I think

726
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 3: he'd pressed her on. Okay, why are so many court

727
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 3: orders being ignored by ice in the Trump administration? And

728
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 3: she seems so frustrated by everything that she asked to

729
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 3: be held in contempt just so she gave twenty four

730
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 3: hours asleep. I don't think she was held in contempt. However,

731
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 3: today apparently her assignment is over. She has also I

732
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 3: don't know if she left on her own volition or

733
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 3: she was told to pack.

734
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 2: Up a detention center. I don't know.

735
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 7: Well, the New York Times is reporting this afternoon, just

736
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 7: during the last hour or so, that she has been fired. Okay,

737
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 7: so the prosecutor has been fired after she voiced that frustration.

738
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: I've never heard of anything like that, where you know,

739
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: she says, what do you want me to do?

740
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 3: I would have loved I heard Paul Bloom on the

741
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 3: show yesterday and I was gobsmacked just listening.

742
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,479
Speaker 7: It was hard to believe, but it's actually true. She said,

743
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 7: I don't have a magic button to do do this.

744
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 7: I don't have the power, and we can't do it.

745
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 7: She volunteered to be here because all of these people

746
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 7: had resigned from the US Attorney's Office, which is a

747
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 7: whole nother story. There goes our fraud cases here in Minnesota.

748
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 7: But she volunteered to be here and then immediately was

749
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 7: assigned ninety different immigration cases. Think about that, so you

750
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 7: might find you might have children. And by the way,

751
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 7: there's more than just that beautiful little boy who just

752
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 7: came back. There's other kids who are gone. Governor Wallas

753
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,959
Speaker 7: again today demanding that they be returned. But she has

754
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 7: all of those kinds of cases. This has frustrated prosecutors,

755
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 7: It has angered the state officials here in Minnesota, and

756
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,959
Speaker 7: the judges are going, what in the hell we've ordered

757
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 7: you to release these people? And there doesn't seem to

758
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 7: be a way to do it.

759
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's nothing order or even process in a number

760
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 3: of cases. You mentioned the number of attorneys that have

761
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 3: now left the office, the Attorney's office. I think it's

762
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 3: up to fourteen.

763
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: I think that's right.

764
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 3: I think that's the latest number and again effectively, by

765
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 3: the way, Andy Lueger is supposed to join us in

766
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 3: studio tomorrow beginning I think at four point thirty if

767
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken, and I know I'm guessing he'll want

768
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 3: to talk about this because it's an office that he

769
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 3: helped build and left in in I mean again where

770
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 3: whatever side folks are on, and we get them all

771
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 3: here via the text line. These were very professional. This

772
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 3: is a you know, these are professionals who who built

773
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 3: this office up over a period of time as any place,

774
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 3: and it's effectively gutted right now, is what it amounts to,

775
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 3: regardless of what you think it's they're all but in

776
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 3: terms of top people, they're all but starting over, having

777
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 3: to rebuild the thing. And this is a very very

778
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 3: difficult thing to do what Andy Lueger did and also

779
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 3: assistant attorney to Joe Thompson Joe Thompson, where you have

780
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 3: to build a case and you have you have a

781
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 3: staff that is going through literally millions and millions of

782
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 3: records building a case, trying to build it beyond a

783
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 3: reasonable doubt.

784
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 7: They did incredible work. So the first was it a

785
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 7: seven to eight.

786
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 3: You're saying, with maybe a little more precision than a

787
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 3: social media influencer taking some video in front of a

788
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 3: couple of these locations and saying, Aha, I've got nine

789
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 3: billion dollars a fraud right here, and buy them.

790
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 7: You're saying, how many indictments have there been? How many

791
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 7: arrests have there been. I'm going to give you the

792
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 7: answer zero zero. So that's a little crazy. So you

793
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 7: have those people who resign because they thought it was unethical,

794
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 7: not the fraud stuff.

795
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 2: They had to leave the fraud stuff behind.

796
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 7: They were assigned to investigate the widow of Renee Good

797
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 7: and all of the community, so they resigned in protest

798
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 7: of that.

799
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: And these last of seven.

800
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 7: Or eight that have resigned, they said it was for

801
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 7: ethical reasons.

802
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,479
Speaker 2: But we don't know what that is.

803
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: If any of them spoken up, you know, Okay, So

804
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 3: we don't.

805
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: Know what that is.

806
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 7: And so fourteen leave and then I don't know this.

807
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 7: This leaves our department in a really our our US

808
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 7: Attorney's office in a very very difficult position because they're

809
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 7: swamped with this immigration chaos that has been caused by

810
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 7: Ice coming here. And then what happens to the fraud?

811
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 7: What happens to the child abuse cases? What happens to

812
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 7: the all of the things that they've been working.

813
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 2: On, stuff that they work effectively as well. Yeah, so

814
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 2: there it is, we got to I've got it.

815
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 3: I'm confused by the Caucus news, like I I'm here,

816
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 3: I'm getting different versions of what the results actually indicated.

817
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: Uh. So I need.

818
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 3: Some some clarify, some clarity from you there. Uh And

819
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 3: then we've got a couple of texts that have come

820
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 3: in regarding I guess the political side of it as

821
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 3: well away from the Ice case, regarding endorsements, et cetera.

822
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: So we got more with Kessey special k.

823
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 3: We call him Pat Kessler back in just a quick

824
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 3: minute here in the fan on this day, Pat Kessler.

825
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 3: Fifty two years ago, a popular musician released an album

826
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 3: called Don't Shoot Me. I'm only the piano player. Oh man,

827
00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 3: what who was that? You know that that's not Billy Joel.

828
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 3: That is not no I know and I know and

829
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 3: I know it.

830
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: I can't think he.

831
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 3: Has toured I think occasionally with Billy Joel, however, where

832
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 3: they've toured together?

833
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait, hold on, is it Joe Jackson.

834
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 3: In good guess but incorrect? Oh, Elton John, Oh really,

835
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 3: Elton John. Great album, Don't shoot Me I'm only the

836
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 3: piano player, Crocodile Rock, Oh okay, and the ballad that

837
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 3: was massive Daniel came from that album.

838
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: That's the one. Yeah, that's it.

839
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: It's a great album cover. I might add as well,

840
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 3: back in the days when Alban that, I.

841
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 2: Should have known. I'm a little disappointed in you, but

842
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 2: given how curmudgeonly.

843
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 3: You know, fifty, I am not curmudgeonly, the anti curmudgeon, right,

844
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 3: So I'm you know, go ahead, get it out of

845
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 3: your system.

846
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 7: It's it's budgeting is coming to your defense. So our

847
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 7: friend of the show boy soul.

848
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: Says, yeah, he immediately came to your defense immediately.

849
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 7: Pat Kestler is the least curmudgeonly reporter I've ever dealt with.

850
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: I would say past ten would make shut up present

851
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 2: tent present time. I'm not so sure.

852
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 3: I think as you've reached your eighties, I think you've

853
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 3: gotten a little more curmudgets. Yeah, because I was like

854
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 3: thirty something when you don't shoot, don't shoot me.

855
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: Up, that's true.

856
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 3: I don't think about it. I was like thirty five, Yeah,

857
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 3: that's it. Yeah, I would have thought you'd gone to.

858
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 2: I've told the story to guards you before.

859
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 3: I I went to see as a freshman at Indiana

860
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 3: University Elton John at Assembly Hall, and I didn't ever

861
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 3: see him, even though I was there. I had because

862
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 3: because my glass I either had run out of contact

863
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 3: lenses or I'd broken my glasses. I was nearsighted, so

864
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 3: I couldn't see far and for a while I didn't

865
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 3: have any But I still had a ticket to the concert,

866
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 3: and I said, going.

867
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 2: I gotta go upper deck.

868
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 3: So I'm literally in a place where it's as far

869
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 3: as Elton John is a blur I didn't have. I mean,

870
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 3: I couldn't prove he was there, but I did listen

871
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 3: to his to his music.

872
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 7: Okay, so yeah, that that might even be better. So

873
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 7: like you're like the tailor in that movie, that World

874
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 7: War two movie, The Great Escape.

875
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: That's it. That's who you were. Good, that's good, that's

876
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: who you are.

877
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 7: That's all regret never seeing Elton John back in the day,

878
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 7: back then.

879
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: I think it's.

880
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 3: Really performative now and yeah, you know, it's fine, But

881
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 3: back in the day when he was really rocking, that

882
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 3: was that would have been a long time ago. Yep,

883
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 3: you're down on his concerts. Now you're well, you're criticizing

884
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 3: the Elton John experience. Now years old, is still trying

885
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 3: to bring great joy to people.

886
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 2: All over the world. Well he is not.

887
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 3: He's no longer performing. F yi, I know, but he

888
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 3: did well. No, but he says that and then he keeps,

889
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 3: then he keeps I saw him in like six Should

890
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 3: I apologize for that? Should I feel bad.

891
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 2: That I I wish I had seen him? I really did.

892
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 2: H That's that's that's your lost.

893
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 7: What's the biggest fomo that you have? I mean from

894
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 7: last week is the biggest fomo I ever not being

895
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 7: at first?

896
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 5: Have you mean?

897
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, try? I didn't. I don't know why I didn't.

898
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 3: Try, because you're more comurrugidly. Now that's.

899
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 2: All that stuff. I just have a car take me. Yeah,

900
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: that's how it works. That true. Yes, a service. Yes,

901
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 2: that's what I thought.

902
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 3: All right, So will you explain what happened in the

903
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 3: Caucuses here, because I I don't know. Well, you had

904
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 3: set out earlier some rather mysterious deal.

905
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: Was no DFL.

906
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 3: Caucas Tropole results yet and then you put, hmmm, well

907
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 3: here is that conspiracy theory stuff or what do we do?

908
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 2: It is, yeah, it is uh, you know.

909
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 7: I I try to be as updated as I can,

910
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 7: is up to date when I send, when you send

911
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 7: the note, you can use them more in.

912
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: Your case, not use them whatever I send.

913
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 3: But you know when at the time of that writing

914
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 3: of the Democratic Party, the DFL party in Minnesota had

915
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 3: not released.

916
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 2: Were they using the same system that the city was it?

917
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 2: What was it?

918
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 3: The mayor's race and the DFL side remember they had

919
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 3: problems with their tabulating of votes, had to start over

920
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 3: so bad.

921
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the DFL endorsing convention.

922
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 3: And then the completely separatearyi and then the pastrami sandwich

923
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:16,959
Speaker 3: was like a seventy dollars something.

924
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 7: Yet well because it was good because they were serving

925
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 7: it on occupied land.

926
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 3: Yes, you know, yeah, so that's what it was. And

927
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 3: what has happened.

928
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 7: It was unusually late when the Democratic Party of Minnesota

929
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 7: released its results. It was this afternoon, after twelve noon.

930
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 7: But we have the Caucasus last night, so we have

931
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 7: now begun. We have now begun, uh, the election in

932
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 7: Minnesota because the caucuses began last night. They there were

933
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 7: a lot of people who came out, thirty thousand people

934
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 7: came out for the Democrats, I think twenty thousand plus

935
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 7: for the Republicans, And so now it's starting to take shape.

936
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 2: We know who the candidates and who is leading in

937
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 2: the in the.

938
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 7: Races, but the Democratic Party did not really put that

939
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 7: out till this afternoon, and there were there was a

940
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 7: lot of eyebrows raised because many of the lefties in

941
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 7: Minneapolis were not voting for Clothes to be the governor

942
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 7: candidate for the state. Is this a message? We don't know,

943
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 7: but clobasharh do.

944
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 2: They want to win or not? That would be my

945
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: comeback to them.

946
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 3: And are they interested in winning holding on to the

947
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 3: to the governor's chair or not. Well, some of the

948
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 3: progressives in Minneapolis are saying she's too centrist.

949
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, she is too centrist.

950
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 7: Well so uncommitted in one very prominent South Minneapolis right, Yeah,

951
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 7: uncommitted is who won beat Clobshar. Un committed got the

952
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 7: let me look here, three hundred thirty eight votes and

953
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 7: Clobshar got two hundred.

954
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 2: So is that a thing?

955
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 7: Know that Democrats in Minnesota, the whole party statewide put

956
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 7: out the race. She won seventy nine percent in the

957
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 7: strawpol statewide but did she did they make that number up?

958
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 2: Is that really? Why are you creating a conspiracy?

959
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 3: So I'm asking because you kind of have me going

960
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 3: down that road here. Did they kind of find a

961
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 3: way to fudge it a little bit in the end.

962
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,720
Speaker 2: Despite I think it's sort of asking the question.

963
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, not that they fudged the numbers, but they wanted

964
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 7: to get everything in because they didn't.

965
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 2: Want Klobashar to have a bad night. But I think

966
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 2: there are here's my suggestion, there's losses. I'm sorry, go ahead,

967
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 2: she doesn't. She doesn't need this endorsement in all seriousness,

968
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 2: do you have it?

969
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 3: Do you think it has any we'll have any impact

970
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 3: on whether she would win in a general election?

971
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 2: The answer is no, I absolutely do not.

972
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 7: All this has an impact on is what how big

973
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 7: of a margin she will get or a candidate will

974
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 7: get in the DFL for the DFL convention.

975
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, why are we even holding.

976
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 7: These calls the left of the sandwiches and the rightest

977
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,479
Speaker 7: of the right. They're doing this now on the Republican side.

978
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 7: I think it's it's worth pointing out that Lisa Daymouth,

979
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 7: the Minnesota House Speaker, came out on top. Kendall Qualls

980
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 7: the businessman number two, and then I'm half your court.

981
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 7: My guy, Mike Lindell is number three, and in polling

982
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,240
Speaker 7: that the national Republicans are doing, he's doing really well

983
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 7: in Minnesota. So Daymouth calls Lindell. Question arises, should people

984
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 7: who do not have, uh, who have who are not

985
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 7: beating uncommitted for example, should candidates who are way way back,

986
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 7: should they drop out and give the Republicans a better chance?

987
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 2: I think that's a good question for them.

988
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 4: Uh.

989
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 7: They Also we also want to ask Republicans if, in fact,

990
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 7: Donald do you believe Donald Trump won Minnesota three times?

991
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 7: Did Donald Trump he won Minnesota three times? He's never

992
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 7: gotten credit for.

993
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 3: That that and he's won national elections three times.

994
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 7: Yes, but now in Minnesota he won it three times.

995
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 7: That's one of the reasons that he's so ticked off

996
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 7: with us at Minnesota. So yeah, damoth in the league

997
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 7: calls Lindell and then Klobash are far ahead as you're

998
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,760
Speaker 7: raising all of these questions about the tabulation here.

999
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 2: Does Kesler think this is from Texter sixty five to one?

1000
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 3: Does Kesler believe Tina Smith made a mistake in endorsing

1001
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 3: Peggy Flannagan over Angie Craig for her US Senate seat

1002
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,280
Speaker 3: rather than remaining quote unquote neutral.

1003
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you I was surprised by that.

1004
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 7: I was surprised that Flannagan got the endorsement of Tina

1005
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 7: Smith this early. Why don't you wait until you see

1006
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 7: how things start to shake out. Peggy Flanagan does represent

1007
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 7: a progressive wing of the party that Angie Craig does not.

1008
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 7: Angie Craig is more of a centrist what do these

1009
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 7: labels even mean nowadays? But that race is going to

1010
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 7: be very chippy. I think for the next few months.

1011
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 7: Flanagan is more of the Bernie Sanders and in now

1012
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,720
Speaker 7: Tina Smith wing of the party right, and and Angie

1013
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 7: Craig is somebody who is more of a Dean Phillips type,

1014
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 7: somebody who might have more appeal in outside the Twin

1015
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 7: City metro area. So that is going to be a

1016
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,439
Speaker 7: very very interesting race to watch and perceptive question, Yeah,

1017
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 7: I was.

1018
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 2: I was kind of surprised that she did at this.

1019
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 3: In fact, I think I saw didn't Dean Savage that

1020
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 3: I think via Twitter he got in on that and

1021
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 3: and took a couple of heart.

1022
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 7: I did see that, and to the point where you

1023
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 7: know he is always so measured Dean Phillips and everybody

1024
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 7: owes Dean Phillips an apology ps, including you.

1025
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: Several times.

1026
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he was uncharacteristically uh harsh, like.

1027
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 2: Hey, you guys, Hey, look at me, you guys. What

1028
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 2: is he gonna?

1029
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 3: Is it time for him to jump back into something?

1030
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 2: I would love it, I would exactly like I don't

1031
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 2: want to do it. Well, you know why.

1032
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 7: After does he have a future in the Democratic That

1033
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 7: is the question.

1034
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 2: That's true.

1035
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 7: And it's very difficult, if not impossible, to run as

1036
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 7: an independent. We've talked about Chris Mandel on the Republican side.

1037
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 7: He he would probably make a good independent.

1038
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 2: But you can't. You can't do it. I mean, it's very.

1039
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 3: Much is unfortunate money with the money, did you happen

1040
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 3: to see I forgot to mention this earlier in the show,

1041
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 3: or even yesterday, Mattel, I'm flipping channels. I want to

1042
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 3: say it was what's today Wednesday? I want to say

1043
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 3: it was Monday night, and it's the CNN show. After

1044
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 3: there's Andy Cooper, then there's the White House Correspondent Collins Collins.

1045
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 3: And then there's another smile who doesn't, according to the President,

1046
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 3: needs smile more.

1047
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 2: And then there's a show after and.

1048
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 3: The name of the woman horses No it's not her,

1049
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 3: it's no, it's Abby Phillips. That's the and that's sort

1050
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 3: of the free for all show where she gets like

1051
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 3: four or five people and they're just text engagement.

1052
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 2: In my head, it's a little rough at times.

1053
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 3: So I'm looking at and I'm saying, I'm looking at

1054
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 3: the panel, yes, and I'm seeing, wait a minute, that

1055
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 3: guy looks a lot like Chris Maddele. He's sure enough.

1056
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 3: Here he was on the panel, and he almost came

1057
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 3: to blows with somebody who worked in the Obama administration.

1058
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 3: At one point they're going, they're pointing back and forth,

1059
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 3: and you don't know what you're talking about.

1060
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: What's happening on the ground of me. No, you're out

1061
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 2: of order. You don't know what we're talking about. And

1062
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 2: I had to text him.

1063
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 3: I said, well, you know, don't forget the little people

1064
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 3: when you get the big gig on. Yeah. Well he's

1065
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 3: got a very lucrative defense lawyer.

1066
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 2: Yes he does, Yes, he does.

1067
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 3: So, yeah, I mean that would have been something had

1068
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 3: he stayed in the race, but leaving.

1069
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 7: It for what he says are ethical reasons. I totally

1070
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 7: believe it. But running out and independent. There are independent

1071
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 7: US senators there. I mean, you've got Jesse is the

1072
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 7: only one to pull it off, right.

1073
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 2: That's true.

1074
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,439
Speaker 3: For Bernie Sanders is an independent, that's true.

1075
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 4: You know.

1076
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 2: So there are.

1077
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 3: Angus king but not many. Yeah, there aren't many. Yeah,

1078
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 3: and it's very difficult. And you got to thread that needle.

1079
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 3: But uh, yeah, that was something man. He he has

1080
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 3: jumped right into it. Hadn't apparently, So yeah, I don't know.

1081
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 3: I don't know what's next. Thanks for hanging.

1082
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 2: Oh it's good.

1083
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 3: I got to several of your items. I know I

1084
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 3: didn't get to. Uh is it bad Bunny? Oh yeah, Bunny,

1085
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 3: you're a big you've been as I didn't know you're

1086
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 3: like you. You appreciated early bad Bunny. I had no

1087
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 3: idea back, you know, back just like early Elton John

1088
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 3: acoustic bad Bunny.

1089
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 2: You know, the the dust besigo right back you.

1090
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 3: For you Elton John for a few weeks, so I

1091
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 3: figure I got to get my shots in.

1092
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 2: By the way, speaking of that, do you have the

1093
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 2: tweet ready? For Sunday.

1094
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I mean it's it's it's a great halftime show.

1095
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 7: It's going to be awesome, but it's not as good as.

1096
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:03,479
Speaker 2: Prince Love You you're the best. Do you know any

1097
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 2: people have already already gotten there? How many people have

1098
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 2: already fired that shot? It's amazing? Well, I mean, am

1099
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 2: that wrong? But then is that wrong? Then? Why do

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00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 2: we still feel compelled to say it? If if it's

1101
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 2: stating the operation, you.

1102
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 3: Don't even know because you're going to be watching the

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00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 3: rival halftime show with Kid Rock?

1104
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 2: What's wrong?

1105
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 5: Kid Rock?

1106
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with it.

1107
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 7: If you America had money, here's some advice. Yeah, go

1108
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 7: in your backyard, grab a beer and have a cigarette.

1109
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 2: And then when you're done that comes back. That sounds

1110
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 2: like that actually sounds incredible. Shot the beer. All Right,

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00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 2: we gotta go talk next week.

1112
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 3: Pat Kestler five, six and ten, maybe today tonight from

1113
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Speaker 3: the rooftop on at Channel four.

1114
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Speaker 2: Those are the days.