1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Every time, and the wife does the check book. She 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: definitely balances that thing. I'm just looking. I had a tablet. 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: Grape nuts look so disgusting and I'm so disappointed. Pretty good, 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: and I grew up in grape nuts. I did too, 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: little house on a prairie. 6 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 2: M M. 7 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: I know that, like that? 8 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, covered wagon? Okay, well, going to school. We 9 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 3: we were big cereal people in New Mexico. So yes, 10 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 3: we did a lot of cereals and grape nuts. 11 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 2: Why did you have to take that like into Mexican. 12 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 2: Not in the country had anything to do with cereal. 13 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 4: I'm just where I grew up in Mexico. 14 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 2: We were people in New Mexico for for breakfast, like 15 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 2: eat cereal more than like eggs. That's part of the culture. Yes, 16 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: you think the culture Mexico goes to eat. 17 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: Cereal in the morning. Seriously, No, I don't know about that. 18 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 4: My family shout out to right the five oh five 19 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 4: in my family. 20 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: It's good rhyme? Is that your area code? 21 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 4: No, I got my phone when I moved to Forcas. 22 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: I used to live in Albuquerque. 23 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 4: Did you really? 24 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: Yes? I did? Did not know that. 25 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: Well, my mom and dad were there, so they took me. 26 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: It was brief, you like, we were there. 27 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: I was. 28 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: I was eating pad woman spitting out apple sauce. I 29 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 2: don't remember. It was like four, you know, twelve. Yeah, I. 30 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: Listen. 31 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 4: It's a different time. 32 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 3: But I know I'm not a particularly big fan of 33 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 3: Albuquerque myself. 34 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: Why not? 35 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 2: Why you know, the signal in Koa reaches like thirty 36 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: seven states, one of which is New Mexico, and I'm 37 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: presuming a city in New Mexico might get this as Albuquerque. 38 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 4: I am not saying that people can't like it. I 39 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 4: do not. 40 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: I do like about it. 41 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 4: And when I grew up in New Mexico, it was 42 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 4: kind of a it was kind of a dirty town. 43 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: Man. I didn't know. I like, you in the streets 44 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: are dirty? 45 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I just didn't. I didn't vibe with it. 46 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 4: I like Santa fe a lot Cana fe well. 47 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: Because you're hoity toity. But what what about Albuquerque? Like? 48 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 4: What what made it dirty? I don't know, man, I 49 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 4: just I didn't vibe with it. 50 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: I didn't. 51 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 4: I didn't every time I went there, I didn't feel. 52 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: Con vibed with something. That doesn't necessarily mean it's dirty. 53 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 4: It's my subjective view on the world. 54 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 2: I know, and I trying to get you to illustrate 55 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,839 Speaker 2: what makes a city dirty in your mind, Like there's. 56 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 4: Trash on the streets, and it was just not It 57 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 4: wasn't a clean city. 58 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: I just didn't like. 59 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 4: Were you why I moved away at eighteen. 60 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 3: So out there the entire from like four and no 61 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 3: I grew up in Ridoso, but from like four to 62 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 3: the age of eighteen, I was in New Mexico. 63 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 2: So we would visit out monitoring in the streets for 64 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 2: fourteen years to see, you know, right. 65 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 4: Here I was. There was like they still havent just 66 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 4: screaming it walking by the street. 67 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: This is still a. 68 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 3: Very city, all right, the Santa fe and I really 69 00:02:58,600 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 3: like Albuquerque. 70 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 2: Okay, So for those listeners down there, you know what, 71 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: you got an excellent city. 72 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: We appreciate you all and the great city. Can't wait 73 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: to go back. We can throw me under the bus. 74 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: NICIX sixty nine, Zeros Okay with Comma Spirit Health TECHT 75 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 3: time we were talking about during the break, I got 76 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 3: to read this statement from the NFL EVP Jeff Miller 77 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 3: as we were talking about a Dave yesterday. 78 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 4: That the NFL referees. 79 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 3: They had put out a statement yesterday saying, Wow, the 80 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 3: NFL is not negotiating with us. They broke off discussions 81 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 3: that were supposed to last two days in the morning, 82 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 3: so they put out this thing saying, oh, the NFL 83 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 3: is not serious about this. 84 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 4: Well, this is how serious they are. 85 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 3: It says, we continue to focus on investing in accountability 86 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 3: and performance in our officiating. Scott and this team haven't 87 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 3: changed their approach in almost two years, continuing to demand 88 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 3: raises at almost double the rates of increases realized by 89 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 3: the players over the course of this CBA and aedition 90 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 3: millions of dollars in marketing fees that rank and file 91 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 3: union members never see. We are ready to continue negotiations 92 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 3: to reach a fair and reasonable agreement, but in the meantime, 93 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 3: while the union refuses to engage in meaningful ways, we 94 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 3: will continue to prepare for the expiration of the current 95 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 3: agreement because we'll be playing football in August. 96 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: Either way, replacement res get ready, and which is not 97 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: a good thing for players, and it's a confusing thing 98 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: for fans because once again it'd be is that passing 99 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: appeerence is now we're gonna be having these same conversations 100 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: we've been having the last couple of years about what's 101 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: the catch, what's not a catch? Is it passive afferience 102 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: or really not even that. It's going to be more 103 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 1: on the things that you can't review. The pass and 104 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: appeerence is it is it a passing apferences? That is 105 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: the deep is a holding? 106 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 5: Is it not? 107 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: Is it holding on the line? Let you know, it's 108 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: a holding on old line, your gears. You're switching out the 109 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: guys who who do it for guys who kind of 110 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: do it. And my idea is that we're going to 111 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: run through these same problems that we did when obviously 112 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: we saw the Green Bay Seattle game with the replacement refs, 113 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: where you have some ref saying interception, you have some 114 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: ref saying touchdown. It's going to be pandemoniums just kind 115 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: of all over. And you know, once again, though, the 116 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: NFL wins, though, because any publicity is good publicity. And 117 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: so if you're talking about the NFL at all, even 118 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: if you're talking about the ref, so ah, this ref 119 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: got the call wrong, You're talking about the NFL still, 120 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: and so it's a win for them. But what's going 121 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: to happen is people are gonna get fed up. Players 122 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: don't get fed up a couple games of the season, 123 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: and then they're going to have to go to the 124 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: table and actually try to figure something out. 125 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: And I think I think it even runs a little 126 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: deeper than that. I think I mean NFL officials. It's 127 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: a side gig for most of them, but it's it's 128 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 2: a high pain side gig, right, most of most of 129 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 2: NFL officials have another job, a full time job, and 130 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 2: then they're able to generate anywhere from one hundred and 131 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 2: twenty five thousand dollars to you know, well over two 132 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars working on various weekends. Now, I think, 133 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: you know, I think for the most part, they're really 134 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: good at what they do. And I think it's a 135 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 2: hard sport to officiate at any level, but especially in 136 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: the NFL, because the athletes are bigger, stronger, and faster, 137 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 2: and you have every single play on TV and you 138 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 2: have various replays and everybody can then slow it down 139 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: and look and see you missed that call. So I 140 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 2: think it's I think it's a tough job. But the 141 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: thing will be they will they will the NFL, I believe, 142 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 2: will be able to splinter the referees union much the 143 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 2: same way that they've done over the years with the 144 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 2: players union, because you get closer and closer. 145 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: I mean, they don't they don't. They won't care about the. 146 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 2: Three preseason games, but they'll have they'll have officials working 147 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: those games. And let's say there's no deal in place 148 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: that is to get closer to the regular season. 149 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: It's much like for players. 150 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 2: You're going to see officials say, well, wait a minute, 151 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: I got a chance to this year make one hundred 152 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:47,679 Speaker 2: and seventy five thousand dollars. 153 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: How long am I willing to set out? And then 154 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: you watch. 155 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 2: If this gets really nasty, there'll be some officials that 156 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: mysteriously will not be dude, oh yeah, their deal will 157 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:03,799 Speaker 2: not be renewed by the league. 158 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: The league decides. 159 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 2: Whether or not you're going to be an official or not. 160 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: It's not the officials. It has to be cleared also 161 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 2: by the league. So I don't see this ending well 162 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 2: for the officials. 163 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 3: I don't either, and I after reading that statement earlier today, 164 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 3: I kind of wanted to amend my opinion because I 165 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 3: said to Dave yesterday, Hey, do you think the NFL 166 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 3: is kind of playing with fire here, like they really 167 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 3: want to have refs out there, at least the guys 168 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 3: that are used to I'm on the other side of 169 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 3: it now, I'm completely agree with you guys. 170 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 4: I think they don't care. They're listen. 171 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 3: If it's going to be replacement refs, we already have 172 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 3: a plan in place. Remember I read that the Competition Committee, 173 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 3: they've already got an idea of what that looks like. 174 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 3: They put that rule out there that they're saying, Hey, 175 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 3: if we have replacement refs, guess what we're gonna go 176 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 3: to the eye in the sky. We'll check in with 177 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 3: them on some of the big plays. We've got a plan. 178 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 3: We're fine, We're good. So the NFL instead of we 179 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 3: need this to happen. By that statement, we're ready for 180 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 3: football in August. 181 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 4: We'll see if you are. 182 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 3: Dion Dawkins, by the way, who was the left tackle 183 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 3: for the Buffalo Bills, was on with Andrew Siciliano. 184 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 4: He had some pretty funny moments. 185 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 3: Now, I thought this appropriate, especially with you as a 186 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 3: defensive lineman in the studio, because he comes out from 187 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 3: an offensive tackles perspective, and how unfairly they're treated with 188 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 3: the flags that that are thrown against these offenses. 189 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: The ball they're talking about scrimmage. 190 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 3: So so initially Andrew Siciliano was going over that one rule. 191 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 3: The competition committee said, hey, if it's an obvious flag 192 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 3: that we need change, we will pick them up and 193 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 3: we're going to do that. But they're not they're not 194 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 3: viewing everything. So Dion was like, oh, this is great news. 195 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 3: They're going to review our holding calls because these are 196 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 3: not holding calls. Here's what he said. 197 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 5: Listen, you're my guy, Okay, I'm going to because I noticed, right, 198 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 5: they throw flags at offensive linemen all day long. 199 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 4: Especially me holding seventy three holding. 200 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: Majority of them. 201 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 6: When we go back and we look at the film 202 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 6: and we send an hour, it's always a that was 203 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 6: not a holding call, that was not a flag, that 204 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 6: was not a flag that wait a minute, holdings, holdings 205 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 6: not on my list. Oh my gosh, it's mask roughing, 206 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 6: horse collar grounding. Of course you throw off the guys, 207 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 6: right if you try to and they missed the punch. 208 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, they can fix that all right. So those four 209 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 3: offensive linemen. 210 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: Man, offensive linemen are unbearably blind. Like all the line 211 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: they swear, they don't hold. They swear like I looked 212 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: at the film and no, you're just watching the wrong person, 213 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: Like I don't understand it at all. 214 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 4: Old, oh what I mean? I didn't hold him and he. 215 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: Wants to replay ate eackle the guy to the ground. 216 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: And so for the couple holds that happen that aren't holds, 217 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: let's talk about the balan that happen that don't get 218 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: called almost time. 219 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 3: It doesn't swing a game, like the ones that they're 220 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 3: trying to describe are like you said, if you missed 221 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 3: a face mask, if it was a I don't know, 222 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 3: roughing the passer. 223 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 4: Those kinds of things. Those are big penalties. 224 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: But also though, you know, to look at some of 225 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: these teams that do run the ball, like you need 226 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: to look at the Dion Dawkins. You need to look 227 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: at it, a Trent Williams. You need to look at 228 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: these guys because they do a certain technique where they 229 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: kind of chop your hands down and they throw you 230 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: by and that's technically a hold, but they don't get 231 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: it called. Well they pull you, they pull you, they 232 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: well they pull you down or a lot of times 233 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: they pulled them said, they you know, kind of catapult 234 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 1: themselves in front of you, and I pull and I 235 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: kind of pull you back. That's a hole. But then 236 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: the issue is you always say, well, it wasn't Towys 237 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: to play well. The whole intent of the play is 238 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: to cut back into where he held. Especially the forty nineers. 239 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: The forty nineons do it very well. Christopher Caffrey knows 240 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: where his cutback is, go right inside of Trent because 241 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: trans want to do that, and sometimes it gets called 242 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: sometimes it doesn't pretty much. If anyone else does it 243 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: other than those couple of guys, it's a it's a hold. 244 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: But if those guys do it, it's not necessarily a hold. 245 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: So man, like I said before, offensive lineman, you know, 246 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: I don't actually think they know what the playbook, like, 247 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: what what the rule book is? Oh wow, because they 248 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: go out there and they claim, oh, b he's holding 249 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: me on my dog, I'm going to the ball. How 250 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: about like the didn't say that the lineman's holding them 251 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: and it's it's it's it's ridiculous. Poppy cock. 252 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 2: Poppy Cock, that's one of the greatest words ever invented. 253 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 4: It's a great word. 254 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 3: You know, we're gonna have Gara bulls, uh swinging by 255 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 3: here in a couple of weeks. Well, we'll make sure 256 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 3: to play that for him. About you telling the offensive 257 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 3: lineman don't even know the rule. 258 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: Book barely barely. I'll say that. 259 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 3: As a wide receiver, you could be a neutral arbitrator here, arbiter. 260 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 3: So what do you I mean, defensive line? Offensive line? 261 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 3: Who has the stronger case here when it comes to holding? 262 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: You mean who has more holding calls? 263 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 3: Well, I'm saying he says that the offensive linemen are 264 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 3: more or less whining about things that they're actually holding 265 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 3: all the time, right, And then the offensive line will 266 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 3: come back and say that's not the case at all, 267 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 3: as you heard Dean Doakins saying, like no, most time 268 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 3: you go back and look at it, and six of 269 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 3: the holds that I had weren't holds at all. 270 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 2: Well that's been that's been going on every single year 271 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 2: for the last I don't know fifty years in the NFL. 272 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 2: Holding has changed over the years. You go back and 273 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 2: look at like old school football. I mean, you couldn't 274 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: you know, You had to basically put your fists together 275 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 2: in front of your body when you were trying to 276 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 2: pass protect. Now they've you know, the last probably thirty 277 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 2: or forty years, they've allowed offensive linemen to grasp. 278 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: I think Shelby's right in this regard. 279 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 2: You could really you could call holding virtually every single play, right. 280 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: I mean, they teach offensive lineman with hand placement is 281 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 2: so important, and I'm sure for defensive linemen as well. 282 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 2: If offensive lineman can get into the breastplate of that 283 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 2: defensive lineman, technically it's very seldom ruled the hold. 284 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: The hold is when. 285 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 2: The defensive lineman tries to disengage and moves away and 286 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 2: I still bring him back here, or when my hands 287 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 2: go outside the framework of the body, which can happen again. 288 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 2: Because I've said, I mean, generally speaking, defensive linemen are 289 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 2: better athletes than offensive lineman. That's why you don't want 290 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 2: to throw the ball sixty times a game in the NFL. 291 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 2: When your guys are kickstepping and trying to block guys 292 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 2: that are in a three point stance, almost a sprinter stance, 293 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: you got to run at him. 294 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: And establish some sort of run. 295 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 2: That's the biggest edge an offensive lineman has is the 296 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 2: ability to rock fording, get off the ball and try 297 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: to slow him down that way. But yeah, man's that's 298 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 2: what makes it. I think that's what makes the game 299 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 2: so hard to officiate. Fast, very big people. The game 300 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 2: is really physical, and so you know you're watching inside 301 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 2: the umpire supposed to watch the referee supposed to protect 302 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 2: a quarterback. Umpires supposed to watch the interior part, and 303 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: you're looking for certain things and hands, and you can 304 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 2: get even really good officials can get fooled into like 305 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 2: a holding call. And then you have the lobbying going 306 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 2: on from all of the players in the front. The 307 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 2: defensive lineman are saying, bro, that's I mean, that's clearly 308 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 2: a hold in the offensive lineman. Then after they get 309 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 2: calls like what why. 310 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: Is that a hole? You know? 311 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 2: So it's I would not, honest to goodness, I wouldn't 312 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 2: see a lot of money, but I would not want. 313 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: To be an NFL official. But it's tough though, if 314 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: you look at it through the lens of what they see. 315 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: And most holes get called close to the ball. So 316 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: let's say it's an outside run and you see the 317 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: DM try to rip off the tack of the try 318 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: to make a play, but you still see the old 319 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: linemen holding mark. 320 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 2: They're going to call that, and a lot of times 321 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 2: that happens because because the play was an inside run, 322 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 2: the play's designed to go inside. 323 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: Running back didn't like it. 324 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: It's why we talked yesterday about the guys who tried. 325 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: To bounce to the edge. 326 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 2: Those guys, you know, one out of every seven times 327 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 2: pick up twelve yards. The other six they lose four yards. 328 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 2: And then twice they get their offensive tackle call for hold. 329 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 2: You know why he knows the play's designed to go 330 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 2: up inside. He's blocking and all of a sudden, here's 331 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 2: the back going outside, and so he's got his his 332 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 2: arm out there where it should be anyway, and the 333 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 2: defensive lineman sees it and he adjusts. So yeah, it's 334 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 2: it's man, it's hard. It's just hard to be an official. 335 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: But also you know a lot of guys offense and defense, 336 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: they definitely put a little acting onto it. And it's 337 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: like you got to throw up in the arms up 338 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: in there, and if you got a fall, you got 339 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: a fall, you know, And if there are. 340 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 2: A certain like in there, a certain battlecry for defensive lineman, 341 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 2: what is that like you get hold on h arms 342 00:15:59,120 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 2: up of. 343 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 4: The air, keep that one. 344 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I. 345 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 3: Like those balloon things that are by the highway or 346 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 3: whatever they are. 347 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 4: That's what that's what defensive lineman looks like. They're trying 348 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 4: to sell it. 349 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: That's what they sounded like. And that higher is the Pirates. 350 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 4: I don't know why I said it like that. 351 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: It's okay. I'm very happy too. We'll hear a lot 352 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: of times. 353 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 4: No, I think the tape governed. 354 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: I don't think so. 355 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 3: Suddenly she smoke. Now, no, do you have doctins? Very 356 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 3: quickly before we get to break. Dean Dodkins says that 357 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 3: all flags, Oh my god, keep that one, Zach, Zach. Yeah, 358 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 3: he says that all flags should be reviewed. 359 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: No, we'll be there for five six hours to. 360 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 4: Hear it here. 361 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 5: As we said, bro, it's the first year that they 362 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 5: protector on the year has been a thing. 363 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 6: There should be something for every caliber of player, kickers 364 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 6: all like some special teams. 365 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: All the way to the big guys. 366 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 5: Right, if there's a flag thrown, they should be able 367 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 5: to shop the game. 368 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: Review is this this or is it not? Yes or no, 369 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: that's what it is. 370 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 4: And then now us as players, we have to be 371 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 4: more disciplined. 372 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 5: So there is no flags, and I think if they're 373 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 5: gonna check them, check them all say, what is that. 374 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 4: I agree that would take the game would go to 375 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 4: a standstill. 376 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: Well, and I was thinking the same thing. That's still 377 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: about baseball when they did the a BS, I'm like, Okay, 378 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: how many do they get? Because you know, obviously professional 379 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: athletes are very confident in their in themselves and in 380 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: their judgment, and they're gonna be like, you can have 381 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: thirty reviews the game and what is it too? And 382 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: it's two if you if you fail. 383 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 4: To you get too, then you get a bonus. 384 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, but man, that's the thing. It's just going to 385 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: make it go way too. Sorry, one more. 386 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 4: He still contends that Brandon cook what is that? 387 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: I just keeping something for you, all right. Uh. 388 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 3: He still contends that Brandon Cooks caught the pass because 389 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 3: one of the things that they said that they're not 390 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 3: going to review because they already review, especially interceptions turnovers. 391 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 3: But yeah, he once again says that the Bill's got 392 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 3: understand I catch it. 393 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 4: No catch should be like one of the biggest things. 394 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: That was like one of the biggest things of the 395 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 1: end of the season, Like, was it a catch Rockel's game? 396 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 4: You're asking me, I was there on the sield. 397 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 5: Was a catch? You know catch is a catch, but 398 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 5: I'm just a guy. 399 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: I'm just a guy trying to be great. 400 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 6: You know, if they go and check it and review 401 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 6: it and review it so we. 402 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: Get to our pay I'm I'm just a guy. The 403 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: issue is you have times when the NFL's called that 404 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: interception before, you've had times in the NFL's called that catch. 405 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: You honestly, whatever gets called in the field is what's 406 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: going to go on a play like that, And that's 407 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: just kind of that's you've got to live by what 408 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: the call is. It's very rarely want to call it 409 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: that where it's going to get switched because it is 410 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: so much up in the air. 411 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 2: If that, I would say this, if that call were 412 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 2: ruled initially as a catch, Ryan, do you think when 413 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 2: they looked at it it would have been overturned? 414 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 4: It was pretty obvious it was an interception. 415 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 2: No, I would if that was not the question. If 416 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 2: that call were called the catch on the field when 417 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 2: they reviewed it, do you think it would have been overturned? 418 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 4: Yes, you're you're supposed to agree with me today. 419 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: Out of your mind, I'll say to day, you're out 420 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: of your mind. 421 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,239 Speaker 4: You're supposed to agree with me today day. 422 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 2: This is one where you're supposed to say, you know what, Ryan, 423 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 2: what was I supposed to do if I didn't agree? 424 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 4: You're you're gonna yell? No? 425 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: I mean good? Good for the squirrel house. Is he 426 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: going to get it? I love it. That's a scientific fact. 427 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 4: But fled squirrel, Yeah, rows it too. An acorn produce. 428 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 3: Up twenty four to twenty three, nine sixteen remaining in 429 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 3: the first half. 430 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 4: Nebraska Iowa just underway. 431 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 2: Man, that's gonna I mean twelve, four good games, yeah tonight, 432 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 2: four good games tomorrow, then two on Saturday, two and Sunday. 433 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: It's just it's awesome. 434 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 4: Are you you're you're in on Nebraska. It's a night. 435 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 4: Aren't you like you? 436 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 2: You were? I know, I actually think I was gonna. 437 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 2: I think Iowa will win, but I mean, I don't care. 438 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 2: There are two good teams. 439 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 4: Or four minutes into the game, it's up twelve to two. 440 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,959 Speaker 3: Who's ahead Nebraska off Cary Red Hot Stark. 441 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 4: Arizona and Arkansas. 442 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 3: And that's gonna be this evening severny forty five and 443 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 3: then Houston, Illinois is the night game at eight oh five. 444 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 3: KWA Ternament updates persent by Xfinity and Dave Smith motors 445 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 3: low prices that are hard to beat on Ramjeep, GMC, 446 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 3: and Chevrolet. Yeah, I'm looking forward to tonight tonight, tomorrow night. 447 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 3: We met a lot of fun. You have Baseball Opening Day, 448 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 3: despy what these guys said, and then of course the 449 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 3: Sweet sixteen, which is gonna. 450 00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: Be opening Day. 451 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 2: Yesterday, it was so cool watching the Yankees and the 452 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 2: Giants opening the night that was Opening Day, well technically 453 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 2: opening day though, you know, semantics and. 454 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 3: So you know, I was thinking about the concept of 455 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 3: championship or bust, okay, because that's what's being ascribed to 456 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 3: the Avalanche, Like if they don't win a championship, it's 457 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 3: a disappointment. Is that a fair because we use it 458 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 3: all the time, even for the Broncos. Right, I think 459 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 3: people are going to say, with this move with Jalen Waddle, 460 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 3: you were in the AFC Championship game last year, it's 461 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 3: super Bowl bust. Maybe not super Bowl win, but super 462 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 3: Bowl or bust for some people. So is that is 463 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 3: that ever a fair thing, Dave to ascribe. 464 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 4: To a team that I mean? Is it doesn't. 465 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 3: It feel a little bit hyperbolic by nature? Like the 466 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 3: affect of the Stanley Cup Final. That's a good That's 467 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 3: a good season. 468 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: Isn't it. 469 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 2: Well, I me anything, I think the Abs, the way 470 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 2: they're constructed now with that roster, I mean, I think 471 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 2: AVS fans expect them to get to the Cup finals 472 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 2: and find a way to win it, right, I mean. 473 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 4: And anything else will be disappointing. 474 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 2: It doesn't mean it's if if let's say they get 475 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 2: to the Western Conference Finals and lose, I think there'd 476 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 2: be there'd be more disappointment than than not with that, 477 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: even though you know on paper, if you look at 478 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 2: it and it stands by itself. Hey, in twenty twenty six, 479 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 2: AVS got to the Western Conference Finals lost to whomever 480 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 2: Dallas Stars, that that would make it even worse. But yeah, 481 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 2: I think I think AVS fans, I mean, people that 482 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 2: really follow the Avs live and die with the as 483 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 2: they look how this team has been put together and 484 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 2: especially the additions lately, and they say, man, you know what, 485 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 2: this is the year, this is the year that we 486 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 2: can win the whole thing. I would I would tend 487 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 2: to agree. The Broncos, I think because they got to 488 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 2: the NFC Championship Game last year. Yeah, I think the 489 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 2: expectations are high, but I don't think from I don't 490 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 2: think there is high for the Broncos to win the 491 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 2: Super Bowl as they are for the Avs to win 492 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 2: the Cup. 493 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,959 Speaker 3: I completely agree with that, and I think the Cadre 494 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 3: move really kind of put it over the top. 495 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 2: And I mean, who thought that was gonna happen after 496 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 2: they made them? It happened like it almost happened after 497 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 2: the trade deadline was it had come and gone, that's right, 498 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 2: And all of a sudden it's like, wait, we've got 499 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 2: another edition. 500 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, I get it. 501 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 4: I got an else, like, wasn't any right? 502 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 2: So no, I think I think the Abs are in 503 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 2: great position. I think it's a matter of I mean, 504 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 2: a couple of things with them. And I love watching again, 505 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 2: love watching hockey. I'm not a hockey expert by any means, 506 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 2: but I think in the playoffs you can't settle for 507 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 2: just very crisp passing and a lot of shots from depth. 508 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: You have to you got to get bodies in front 509 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: of the net. 510 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 2: Golt Inders are too good and as skilled as these 511 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 2: guys are Golders, if they can see the puck coming, 512 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 2: they got a pretty damn good chance of stopping it. 513 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Ads. The way I look at it like this, 514 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: if they can get by the Stars, they will win it. 515 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 1: All the Stars that seem to be the kryptonite year 516 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: after year. And so if they can get that past 517 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: the Stars, I think the Avalanche have a great chance 518 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: of winning. And but the Stars though, they just they 519 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: have they have their number and I don't know what 520 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: it is, but they just played the Avalanche very well. 521 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 7: What was it last year? Should they beat them in 522 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 7: the playoffs? And that's what I want to see because 523 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 7: I want to see I want to see that happen. 524 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 7: I want to see the ad versus the Stars in 525 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 7: the Western Conference finals. 526 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: And I don't think. 527 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 3: You will will the structured brackets. It'll be the second 528 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 3: round or. 529 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: The second round. I want to see that both. And 530 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: that's the thing. I think they are the two best 531 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: teams in the West, and so that's what if you 532 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: would want to see them before you go to Stay Cup. 533 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: But that's gonna be really who determines who goes in 534 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: the West is when the avalane for the Stars and then 535 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: they can get past that. I feel great about the Abs, 536 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: I feel great about them. Yeah, and if the Stars win, 537 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:12,959 Speaker 1: I think the Stars ended up winning, but I definitely 538 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: see the win the winners the Stanley Cup coming out 539 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: of the West. 540 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 541 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 4: I don't know why, Gary Beeman. 542 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 3: So they arranged this in such a weird way that 543 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 3: it always seems like that second round matchup is the 544 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 3: one that's like the two of the best teams left 545 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 3: in especially in the Conference. 546 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: It's worked out that way the last couple of years. 547 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure it has. So I'm not so sure. 548 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 3: I just thought, you know, exceptually I've I've sent a 549 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 3: couple of you know, abs blogs, I read obviously a 550 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 3: lot of articles and watch the games, and it just 551 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 3: seems like that's the temperament of the fan base right now. 552 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 1: For them. 553 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 4: It's like Zion, I'm gonna be disappointed if they don't 554 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 4: win this thing. 555 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 2: I mean, it was disappointing last year when when the 556 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 2: Stars knocked him out. Yeah, well, I think had they 557 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 2: been able to just like Shelby said, had they been 558 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 2: able to get past the Stars. Now, the Stars didn't 559 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 2: ultimately go on and win it either, but you know, 560 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 2: I think the Avs had a pretty good shot last year. 561 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, then all of a sudden, Yeah. 562 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 4: With Miko there, I mean that's well, yeah. 563 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 2: And then Miko had you know, Miko went a little 564 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 2: crazy in that series, and still the Avs had. I mean, 565 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 2: I you gotta love the Avs chances this year for 566 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 2: a lot of reasons. 567 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 3: Do we And I think I've asked you this a 568 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 3: few times, but where are we in that expectation for 569 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 3: the Nuggets? We were just talking all these great things 570 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 3: about that. I don't think they're championship or bus though. 571 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 2: No, I'm probably one of the few that sees them 572 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 2: actually getting to the NBA Finals. I think most people, 573 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 2: even if you're a even if you're a Nuggets fan, 574 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 2: you'd love to see that happen. But I mean, oak 575 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 2: City is still the number one team in the West. 576 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 2: They went it last year, and they're they're going to 577 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 2: be formidable this year. And but I still I just 578 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 2: think this team has a lot of weapons, and it's 579 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,719 Speaker 2: going to boil down to can they get everybody on 580 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 2: the court healthy? Can you top eight or nine guys 581 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 2: be relatively healthy for the playoff push? If that's the case, 582 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 2: I like the Nuggets coming out of the West. 583 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 4: You feel that way too. 584 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 1: It just depends if they get hot. 585 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 4: Are you scared? 586 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: Yeah? They didn't recruiting fear, are you me reason? Recruiting cantered. 587 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: But like I said before, though, as long as they 588 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: get healthy and they have a little bit of time 589 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: and the regular season, get healthy, it's got to be 590 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: tough to score with them. Now they have to show 591 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: up their defense. We've been saying that a lot lately. 592 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: They got to play a little bit more defense. And 593 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to say this that they end up losing 594 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: before the finals, it's because they fell short on the 595 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: defensive end. 596 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 3: You're not gonna admonish him, no, no, because he likes 597 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 3: the Nuggets. 598 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 2: He's just speaking truth into him. You are an Oklahoma 599 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 2: City fan. Is my favorite, is my second favorite team 600 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 2: behind the Bucks. The Notes may very well be your second. No, 601 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 2: never mind, you got oak City, you got Minnesota the fourth. 602 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 2: You know, I sure likes Steph back in the day. 603 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 2: He's got Golden State. Portland was great when Chauldcea was there. 604 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 2: You got Portland. I mean the Nuggets are like seventh 605 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 2: or eighth favorite. 606 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: Team of Ryan in the West. Okay, that's all right, 607 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 1: that's tough, brother. 608 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 4: He said quite literally the same. 609 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 2: You know, No he didn't, Yeah, he said, no, I 610 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 2: didn't I don't think I did. 611 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: I don't think he did either. 612 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 4: You're supposed to agree with me. 613 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 2: No, no, no, I know somebody. I don't know who, 614 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 2: but somebody was blowing up your phone in the text. 615 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 2: Your text was being as soon as you made the noise. 616 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: Oh, I need to hear that. I can't imagine that 617 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: sound board. That's that's going on the BCT. 618 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 2: It's going to be on the Channel nine news Channel 619 00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 2: four thirty. 620 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 3: One reminders him who recommended you to be working here? 621 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,239 Speaker 1: That's just you don't don't. Don't even trip on that 622 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: sec wh. 623 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. 624 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 3: So far Nebraska twenty five seventeen over Iowa. 625 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 4: It could be interesting. 626 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 3: We're all tied up at thirty with Texas and Purdue U. 627 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 3: My game tonight Arizona Arkansas. I can't that's the that's 628 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 3: the one. I'm just so and I think Arizona is 629 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 3: going to who dominates dominates w pick. But cal Perry's 630 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 3: I mean, he's got those guys playing well that that 631 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 3: should be a fun game. 632 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think. 633 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 2: I'd be careful in that game if I was Arizona. 634 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. I mean, he's got to show up, though, Yeah, 635 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 2: Arizona is really talented. Arkansas is very good with a 636 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 2: great point guard. I mean, Arizona is legit and Arizona 637 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 2: is big. Arizona's like Michigan. 638 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: They got fives. They got five now. 639 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, so some of the drives that a Cuff has 640 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 2: been able to make to the basket, I think it's 641 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 2: it's They're going to be challenged tonight by Arizona's big people. 642 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: The game I'm really excited for is that Michigan State 643 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: Yukon game. I think that game is gonna be really 644 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: good to very very well coached teams, you know, like 645 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: you know they're not going to beat themselves and so 646 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: you're gonna get down. But that's the game I really 647 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: can't wait for and I'm gonna be locked in for 648 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: because honestly like the way Michigan State has been playing. 649 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: They can make a run like they've they've been playing 650 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: some good ball. Now Yukon, they've been struggling and they've 651 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: been getting by. But I like this Michigan State time 652 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: is good as a coach, one of the best. 653 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 2: Every every one of his teams every single year looks 654 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 2: exactly the same. They're defensive minded, they're tough, they get 655 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 2: on the floor. They got guys that are not afraid 656 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 2: to shoot it at big moments. Sometimes they're a little 657 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 2: more skilled one year than the next year. But just 658 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 2: the overall sort of temperament and culture of his program, 659 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 2: I think it's been pretty consistent his entire career. 660 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: But he's never What I love about him is he 661 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,479 Speaker 1: doesn't let the ego affect the team. You know, coming in, 662 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: No one's averaging twenty five, it's going to be like fourteen, thirteen, twelve, 663 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: Like everyone's going to be pretty even, and you're going 664 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: to be playing defense, and so is a ball has 665 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: been going on for years, and I all love the 666 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: way that they always play. They always come to play, 667 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: They're always going to be prepared. 668 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 4: The closest thing to what Larry Brown, I guess in 669 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 4: terms of that goes. 670 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 8: I mean, Larry Brown had his own ego, but yeah, 671 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 8: but Larry Larry's a terrific coach. Yeah, I mean great 672 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 8: basketball coach went NBA in NBA and college man Hey 673 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 8: Downe s Ryland. 674 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: Made them, made them something to think. 675 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 2: He went. 676 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: He goes to places that aren't necessarily traditional basketball schools 677 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: and he makes them run deep into the into the tournament. 678 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: Weird tangent here. 679 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,719 Speaker 3: You guys, the SMU thing, You know, that whole SMU 680 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 3: death to that football program for seventy thousand dollars in 681 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 3: impermissible benefit. 682 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: That's crazy. 683 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 4: That's what that was. 684 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 3: Seventy grand and impermissible benefits is what got SMU the 685 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 3: death penalty. 686 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 4: And now look at college football. 687 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: I'll give you a trivite question. 688 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 2: Who did they hire right after the death penalty to 689 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 2: be the head football coach? 690 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 4: I used to died, I can't think of who it is. 691 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: I used to know that answer to Forrest. 692 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 2: Greg Yeah, guy, that was my head coach in Cleveland 693 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 2: my first two years. 694 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 4: You gone by the way, only favored by one and 695 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 4: a half. 696 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 2: It's going to be there will be plenty of bodies 697 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 2: on the floor, both teams,