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Speaker 2: Hi, what's up. Good afternoon, I'm Onleggar. This is ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. Thank you so much for listening. Hopefully you're

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Speaker 2: having an awesome Tuesday, the second to last day of

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. No better place to celebrate the new

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Speaker 2: year than right here at Oakley Greens, where we've been

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Speaker 2: every Tuesday since August. We were here when it was hot,

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Speaker 2: Great place to post up on New Year's Eve. An

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Speaker 2: awesome place for the college football Playoff, the upcoming NFL Playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Important NFL games this weekend. Also Bengals, Browns, college basketball,

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Speaker 2: the Liberty Bowl, you name it, you can watch it

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Speaker 2: here at Oakley Greens.

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Speaker 3: The staff here is awesome.

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Speaker 2: They have been so hospitable to us, and so many

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Speaker 2: events happening throughout the course of twenty twenty six here

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Speaker 2: at Oakley Greens. I just talked to a gentleman a

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Speaker 2: few minutes ago who had not been here before, and

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Speaker 2: this is his first Oakley Greens experience, and he called

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Speaker 2: it life changing. So change your life. Come to Oakley Greens.

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Speaker 2: We are here till six o'clock. We we have just

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Speaker 2: a boatload of stuff to get to today. Our friend

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Speaker 2: Paul Danner Junior from The Athletic and the Growlar podcast

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Speaker 2: is here.

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Speaker 3: How you doing, I'm doing great. How are you wonderful? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Feel like we just talked. We did just talk.

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Speaker 4: We just just recorded a whole other podcast did but

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Speaker 4: we left a lot of topics on the table, A

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Speaker 4: lot of topics, topics, a lot of time.

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Speaker 2: Well there is we could spend an hour on Cody

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Speaker 2: Ford wide receiver. Could uh you know we we talked

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Speaker 2: about this on your podcast that when he was lined

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Speaker 2: up to catch a pass, I knew he was gonna catch,

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Speaker 2: because why would you have him line up there if

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Speaker 2: we're not going to throw it to him in the

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Speaker 2: game that's lopsided against an opponent that's quit. So he

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Speaker 2: catches the pass, and I instantly start thinking of you

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Speaker 2: and your your peers in the on the Bengals beat,

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Speaker 2: because it's I don't know what the story is if

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Speaker 2: the Cody Ford catch doesn't happen. Quite frankly right, the

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Speaker 2: catch and run by Cody Ford. Because they played a

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Speaker 2: similar game against Miami. It's not the last game of

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Speaker 2: the season, so you really can't write your official oh bit.

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Speaker 2: And then Zach Tech with this late Christmas gift for you,

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Speaker 2: putting Cody Ford on the field as a wide out

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Speaker 2: and he catches a pass and rumbles for twenty one yards.

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Speaker 4: You can't beat you can't beat it, God bless him.

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Speaker 4: I will say that it was It was sort of

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Speaker 4: like the old journalism school days where you get you

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Speaker 4: give an assignment to the whole class on something that's

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Speaker 4: kind of weird and cookie out of nowhere and see

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Speaker 4: how everybody handles it. And everyone wrote, like, you know,

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Speaker 4: eight or ten different versions of kind of the same

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Speaker 4: basic storyline.

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Speaker 3: Who can go? So I feel like Bengals figures kind

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Speaker 4: Like a little upperfessor sitting there reading through everybody's papers.

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Speaker 4: How they handle this was a little different, Oh this

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Speaker 4: is oh this person went this route. I thought it

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Speaker 4: was a fun, little, fun, little exercise for us to

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Speaker 2: As somebody who has a friend who is a social

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Speaker 2: studies teacher and you know, you know, we'll go home

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Speaker 2: at a weekend and have to read like twenty five

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Speaker 2: papers on you know, the Civil War. I would imagine that.

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Speaker 2: That's what it was like for me as a reader.

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Speaker 2: It's what it was like. Your piece, of course.

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Speaker 3: Was the best. Obviously. You know, I appreciate you saying.

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Speaker 2: There's Well for years now from from now, that'll be

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Speaker 3: Ford the Cody Ford Game. Yes, sure, sure it will.

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Speaker 3: I mean, why not. It's it's fun. It is fun,

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Speaker 3: like I I I do, I do enjoy. I thought

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Speaker 4: Joe Danoman had a a thing with Zach Taylor yesterday,

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Speaker 4: yes going through the play and he stopped and pointed out,

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Speaker 4: I asked Dan Pitcher about something very much related to

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Speaker 4: It certainly hasn't been like Ben Johnson has been in

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Speaker 4: And I go back to like remembering you hear these

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Speaker 4: And he said, you know, I think it kind of

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Speaker 3: His point was, we don't really feel a lot of

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Speaker 4: Do gadgets because like, why are we gonna take on

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Speaker 4: trying to accomplish the same goals, I understand, but I

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Speaker 3: My favorite part was the reaction of his teammates.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, easily so excited for it. For him and for that,

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Speaker 4: I mean, it was uh, it was, it was. It

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Speaker 2: But see what I would do is I would expand

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Speaker 2: upon this and for the game this Sunday, everybody gets

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Speaker 2: In fact, I would maybe play like the entire game.

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Speaker 2: What would happen if its team played the entire game

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Speaker 3: Do we think Cody could play safety? I would rather

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Speaker 2: Although you know Geno Stone and I for these two years,

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Speaker 2: have a good game, have a good game that or

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Speaker 2: just like blatantly just misstackles like try you know.

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Speaker 3: Well is it? You know you don't want to have

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Speaker 4: What if he has the greatest game of his life

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Speaker 4: and it's like I think we it's finally the light

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Speaker 3: Here we go, time to bring him back. Let's good,

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Speaker 3: that's right.

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Speaker 2: So but what I would like to see them do

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Speaker 4: Without a quarterback. Yeah yeah, let's see if that can

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Speaker 2: Because like here's how it works, okay, And I don't

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Speaker 2: Burrow's back, and you know what, if they could just

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Speaker 2: Miles Garrett breaks the sack record by destroying Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's true, Right, that's true. Yeah, sure have

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Speaker 4: have Todge Brooks throw like five. The whole first drive

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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow can go ahead and take a vacation now camp, Yes,

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Speaker 2: I would have had no issue with them not having

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Speaker 2: But but I understood it, like I get it. Guy

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Speaker 2: but okay, he got his reward for coming back, which

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Speaker 2: but like this one, this feels like Joe you got,

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Speaker 2: for the sack record. It's probably the best. You know,

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Speaker 2: Zach Taylor talked about him in extraordinarily glowing terms and understandably,

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Speaker 2: so let's let this dude, Zach Jake Browning or Joe

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Speaker 3: I am Joe, welcome back. It's good to have you back.

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Speaker 2: You played, you did your thing, you bought some fossils,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you.

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Speaker 4: I feel like the coming back and having fun with

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Speaker 3: Thing happened, did it? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Crew, you see where the offense is at. There's no

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Speaker 4: Miles Garrett for the sack record.

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Speaker 3: Right, A little bit more?

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Speaker 4: Sorry, Joe, I mean, but I mean, I just think

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Speaker 4: that's everybody's comfortable with that, and I just I feel

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Speaker 3: Anybody needs to see it anymore. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I understand you're trying to quote unquote win every game,

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Speaker 4: but I just feel like, what was what this was supposed.

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Speaker 3: To be about?

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Speaker 4: Through In my mind and what we saw was just

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Speaker 4: about going out there and playing these There's no there's

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Speaker 4: no need for this week eighteen thing. You re established

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Speaker 4: the offense, you showed where you're at. Everybody's in a

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Speaker 4: great place with it.

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Speaker 3: See yah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like you know, I go on a

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Speaker 2: And I was smart enough to establish those ground rules.

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Speaker 2: For Joe Burrow got a chance to playing a couple

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Speaker 2: As somebody who has gone out of his way to

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Speaker 3: Fix the defense, right, Fix the defense.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be good enough. You should be back in

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Speaker 2: Don't complicate the offseason by putting Joe Burrow at risk.

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Speaker 4: He played the first two game, he didn't play it third.

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Speaker 4: This is the third preseason game. He didn't play every

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Speaker 2: Good, Like, I don't see why you can't have just

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Speaker 2: about devoting a ton of time, energy, money, and resources

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Speaker 3: You do not want to add any more variables to it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, people are already concerned about the simplicity of this

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Speaker 3: Nobody nobody wants that. I'm with you.

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Speaker 4: That's where I sit with it. I that would be

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Speaker 2: Did you watch the first game of the season. Remember

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Speaker 2: And everybody's like, look, you're just gonna have to understand

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Speaker 3: That doesn't mean anything. What are we doing?

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Speaker 2: Show how far you've come?

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Speaker 4: I mean, how much better you feel about the offensive

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Speaker 3: Uh? You know?

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe you're now you're feeling even better? Right?

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Speaker 6: Is that it?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 2: I I feel pretty good about not where the Bengals

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot, a lot. Yeah, just fix the defense

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Speaker 2: I don't want to have to call it doctor next

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Speaker 3: Is Joe? Is his ability to play the first game

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Speaker 2: Who's plan is Flacco? Does he have to prepare him?

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Speaker 2: Like he's I don't just have him not play. I

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Speaker 2: where you want to go?

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Speaker 3: Right? Is there another met galer or something?

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Speaker 4: No, I'm sure go on like an archaeological dive, right,

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Speaker 3: It's gotta be something like that going on.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about, not Joe Burrow buying presence

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Speaker 2: for his offensive lineman, but who should also buy presents

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Speaker 2: I discussed this a little bit on the Growler podcast today.

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Speaker 2: So Joe Burrow buys fossils for Bengals offensive line, which

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Meat, I think.

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Speaker 2: Duke Tobin should buy the offensive line presence for Christmas.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because he's made his job this offseason easier. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean he he did draft and sign some

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Speaker 2: I don't know what PFF's overall grades or rankings are.

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Speaker 3: I care, but not that much. They're not great.

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Speaker 2: They're not the twenty fifteen offensive line. They have players

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Speaker 4: They feel solid at the very least everywhere. Amarus Mims

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Speaker 3: Is that over? Since Joe Burrow has come back.

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Speaker 4: You've seen Amarus Mims. I think the progress that he

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Speaker 4: This is what you've seen over the last five weeks

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Speaker 4: to really get around him. Yeah, and he does this

442
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,240
Speaker 4: and this was I remember this during his draft season

443
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,160
Speaker 4: after he was picked, and you know the same time,

444
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,600
Speaker 4: we were talking about these big, long guys they can

445
00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,239
Speaker 4: just demoralize and end and I feel like he just

446
00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 4: demoralizes guys that have to keep trying over and over

447
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,639
Speaker 4: again to run into a brick wall and not be

448
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,320
Speaker 4: able to go around it. And his ability to now

449
00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,000
Speaker 4: you know, understand and recognize what guys are trying to

450
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 4: do to him. This is what Zach Taylor focused on

451
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:40,000
Speaker 4: yesterday was that that's such a huge step. Whereas before, yeah,

452
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,960
Speaker 4: guys would try a lot of the same moves, but

453
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 4: they could get him because he didn't always he didn't

454
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,879
Speaker 4: quite know what was coming. Now he sees the twists,

455
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,119
Speaker 4: he sees the stunts. He's got a pretty good relationship

456
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:53,360
Speaker 4: going with Dalton Reisner. He understands what edges what are

457
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,399
Speaker 4: going to try to do to him, and how to

458
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 4: protect that and how to see it coming. And when

459
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,880
Speaker 4: you do that, when you now get him where his

460
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 4: recognition game is catching up to his traits, that's how

461
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,199
Speaker 4: you end up with a guy who literally could be

462
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,199
Speaker 4: as good as anybody in football doing it. If he

463
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 4: continues on this path, that's encouraging. When you have that,

464
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:15,119
Speaker 4: and then you can direct your help elsewhere. It really

465
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 4: accentuates everything even more. So you have a high floor,

466
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,439
Speaker 4: and you have one at least one player with a

467
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,880
Speaker 4: really high ceiling, veterans, continuity, good chemistry is.

468
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 3: In that room. Everything about it has really come together.

469
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,879
Speaker 4: And if you would have told me that after the

470
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,120
Speaker 4: first month of the season and that looked like a

471
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 4: train wreck, I would have said, there's just absolutely no shot.

472
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,959
Speaker 4: So yeah, certainly a top development of this entire season

473
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 4: is what has happened.

474
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,200
Speaker 2: So the strike technique has worked as much as I

475
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 2: made fun I guess I don't is that it I

476
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 2: don't know.

477
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,439
Speaker 4: I think there I legitimately, I do think, especially at

478
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:55,399
Speaker 4: that position, there is something too. Chemistry and guys really

479
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 4: liking each other and playing next to each other and

480
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 4: being good communicators is more important there than anywhere else

481
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 4: on the field. It really is kind of a one

482
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 4: group thing, and they have that. They felt very disjointed

483
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,920
Speaker 4: at the end of last year. They felt disconnected and

484
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 4: frustrated and angry, and I think that I don't know

485
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 4: if it's the strike technique or just generally people seem

486
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,719
Speaker 4: happier in the room. But it does feel like that

487
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 4: has gone a long way to help everybody play a

488
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 4: little bit better.

489
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 3: I do worry.

490
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 2: You know, their death has been offensive Line depth is

491
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,479
Speaker 2: tested almost every year. Hasn't been tested that much this year, No,

492
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 2: And so like you think about things that rarely carry

493
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 2: over from one year to the next, offensive line health,

494
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 2: And there's a part of me that does worry, like

495
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 2: and they stunk this year. Their offensive line was good

496
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,360
Speaker 2: and intact, and I wonder about the intact part kind

497
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 2: of falling apart next season, because that year to year

498
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 2: is what tends to I think they would like to

499
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 2: have basically the same group that's in there back next year.

500
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 2: And then, to me, the perfect thing that's happening next

501
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 2: is is is what what's gonna happen with Orlando Brown?

502
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 2: You know, he's entering the last year of his contract

503
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 2: next year.

504
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 4: He's played fine, he would I'm sure he would admit

505
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 4: this hasn't been his best season. Yes, if you're watching

506
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 4: a player starting to think about think about is this

507
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 4: what's gonna happen next year? Is it going to be

508
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 4: another step down. Is it going to be a bounce back?

509
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 4: Is this who he is now? I think you got

510
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 4: to think about that. But I also think that they're

511
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 4: happy with who he is in this group, and I

512
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 4: don't think that they're willing to add that to their

513
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 4: offseason list to save, even though it would be a

514
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 4: substantial cap saving and still be I don't see that

515
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 4: being the direction want to go. I think they have

516
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 4: the same thing back, But I think you could drop

517
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 4: in a first, second, or third round pick that's a

518
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 4: potential tackle.

519
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 3: Of the future. Who's a they need a swing tackle,

520
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 3: like nobody's business.

521
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 4: Who could be somebody maybe it's a developmental guy, whatever

522
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 4: it is, but somebody who could go in the background there,

523
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 4: maybe somebody who could play guard if they had an

524
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 4: issue there could maybe catch a couple of different spots

525
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 4: and then if that goes well, is perhaps your answer.

526
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 4: And I know everyone's like, oh, here we go, Cedric

527
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 4: obway he again or whatever, But you have to think

528
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 4: that the man's contract is actually up at the end

529
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 4: of next year, so you have to think about what

530
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 4: that looks like on a number of different levels. So

531
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 4: you're either extending him or signing him. Maybe you're signing

532
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 4: him back as a free agent. There's options there, but

533
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 4: I think one of them probably has to be a

534
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 4: pick ending up in the background as you're swinging.

535
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 2: But when is and it's probably the old way he

536
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 2: Jake Fisher year. When is the last time that the

537
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: most pressing question about the offensive line was who's gonna play?

538
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 2: Down the road? Every other year it's who's gonna play?

539
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 2: Can this went left?

540
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 3: Not? Really? Yeah?

541
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: I mean a Maria can he play right now? Dylan

542
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 2: Farreshaw can he play right now? I mean Joona Williams?

543
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 2: Can he play right now?

544
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 3: Hell? Billy Price? Can he? If your biggest.

545
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 2: Offensive line question is can can we groom this guy

546
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 2: to be the left tackle or right tackle? If you

547
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 2: move with Marius mems in twenty twenty seven? Awesome, Yeah,

548
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 2: Like that's never not going to be a thing. There's

549
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: always there's You're always going to be looking down the

550
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 2: road on the offensive line. If your offensive line is good,

551
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 2: that's where I want it to be.

552
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, And exactly you were mentioning the left right thing

553
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 4: was sparked this in the sense I get is that

554
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 4: you know, I think they like mems right like he's

555
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 4: not moving. I get to say that's where they want

556
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 4: him to be because they can only pay him like

557
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 4: a right tackle. Then why don't get I think you

558
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 4: look at tell me you tell me you look at

559
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 4: the list of the guys that predominantly rush off the

560
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 4: against the right tackle and the left tackle, and tell

561
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 4: me what's the harder group.

562
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 3: I mean, you're right, there's a lot.

563
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 4: Of the best guys coming off that side now that

564
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 4: that you'll see each year. I mean I would actually

565
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 4: maybe it's something I'll do at some point this offseason,

566
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 4: But I mean, I don't know that there's a huge difference.

567
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 4: You know, the whole blind side thing is a little

568
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 4: of rad and I'm certainly everyone that's been banging the

569
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 4: drum about Willie Anderson getting into the Hall of Fame

570
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 4: would suggest the same thing they've been saying with that

571
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 4: guard is that the blindside thing hasn't been as much

572
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 4: of a deal for a while now.

573
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 3: But that said, I think, just you.

574
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 4: Got a guy who's great, an elite on that spot

575
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 4: and what he's doing, and you can you know you're

576
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 4: gonna have a lot of the best rushers coming off

577
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 4: that side anyway, why mess with it? And maybe there's

578
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 4: some scenarios where like they could only sign a guy

579
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 4: who's good at right and you'd consider it.

580
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 3: But I just think it's like, let that be the thing.

581
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 3: Let that be it.

582
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 4: Let this guy be a great right tackle and that

583
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 4: means a lot so and things can change if Orlando

584
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 4: wasn't around, But for now, I think that's the best

585
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 4: way spot for him, and I think that's how they

586
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 4: view his feet.

587
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 7: Would you want to fossil Yeah, yeah, I mean as

588
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 7: long as I'm not paying for it, right, yeah. I mean,

589
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 7: if it's gifted, I'll take it as a gift you

590
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 7: bring here, only a huge one, like I don't. I

591
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 7: heard I think Dylan Fairchild was on with on Pepper

592
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 7: Rally on Friday with with Dan and Lapp and mentioned

593
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 7: that he had gotten.

594
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 3: Like a shark tooth or like a tooth or something

595
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 3: like that or whatever it was. I would want the

596
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 3: biggest thing in the room. Give me the tusk, right,

597
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 3: like I want that on a wall. Huge. I don't.

598
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 4: I don't want anything where it's like somebody in the corners,

599
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 4: Like I'm strictly doing it for someone to see it

600
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 4: when they walk in my house.

601
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 3: Why else am I doing?

602
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 2: I just thinking if I bring a tusk call, my

603
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 2: wife is gonna be like, yeah, we're not We're not

604
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 2: putting out above the couch.

605
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, no, it's a man cave item. Sure, sure,

606
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 4: I mean that's not it's it's not above the mantle.

607
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: It seemed to me the way I look at it

608
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: is if it's any sort of dinosaur fossil and yeah, right,

609
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 2: and then you have a weird people who like deny

610
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 2: the existence of dinosaurs that I can, you know, have

611
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 2: over my house to talk about my dinosaur fossil, you

612
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 2: know it. I would be like, if it's a dinosaur fossil,

613
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 2: that's what I want.

614
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's more so than a wooly mammoth or a

615
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 4: bear bear skull.

616
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

617
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 4: I also am anti skull. I think skulls are creepy. Yeah,

618
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 4: even I I I'd rather just.

619
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 3: I think I am. I'm a tusk guy.

620
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 2: So or Lando Brown has gotten in his career slushy machine,

621
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 2: Rolex watch some luggage and uh, the the fossil of those.

622
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 3: Four which would be your preference? That's hard.

623
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: Slashing machine sounds good, but you have you're in charge

624
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 2: of all the slushy stuff.

625
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 3: I gotta make the slushy.

626
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, now if I if there was I mean, if

627
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 4: there was slushy machine and someone who makes the slushies,

628
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 4: like an assistant like that, or or just a button

629
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 4: that instantly creates you're.

630
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 3: Like having to like restock the supplies of slushies. I

631
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 3: don't love that one, don't look, I don't want to

632
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,959
Speaker 3: have to do any more work. I'd probably go fossil.

633
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 4: I think as long as it was big and it

634
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 4: could be seen, I'm for that. With sword, I have

635
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 4: a sword, Yeah, I think the sword is probably the

636
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 4: coolest though, without question.

637
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, the sword better than fossil, and I think any

638
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: other quarterback gift and.

639
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 3: I definitely don't need. I'm not I'm not like here

640
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 3: for the luggage and the I'm not in the watch.

641
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 3: I'm not a watch guy. I like watch guy. I

642
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 3: like so.

643
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: I wear a watch every single day, and I like

644
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: watches a Rolex. I cannot imagine wearing a watch that

645
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 2: expensive on my wrist and banging it against something or

646
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 2: if I just know I'm not cool enough in anything

647
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 2: else that I wish watch I'm wearing costs to be

648
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: able to like wear a rollleox it would be so

649
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 2: it's like you've seen the meme with like the sports

650
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 2: car under the beat up house in the car report, right,

651
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: that would be me wearing a Rolex.

652
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 3: It makes no sense. Yes.

653
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: I used to work a show with Archrell Hawkins who

654
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: had some really really really nice watches, and he came

655
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: to me one day He's like, we're gonna up your

656
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: watch game, and I think I was wearing like a

657
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: like a Dakota Watch Company watch. So he like brings

658
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: in this book of watches. He's like, you got to

659
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: get one of these. I'm like, oh, those are really nice.

660
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Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, oh that one's eighty nine dollars

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Speaker 2: art Trail, Like, you know.

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Speaker 3: That's not my game if I know your game?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, like what's on the back page? Any fossil

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Speaker 2: watches on there?

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Speaker 4: So it would have been really cool if he came

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Speaker 4: in and had a trench coat and just opened it

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Speaker 4: up and had all the watches inside of it, you know,

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Speaker 4: like straight out of the cartoons.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. Butch Jones, when he would lose a game,

670
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Speaker 3: would go watch shopping. Is that what he would do?

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Speaker 2: What he would do, he would he would comfort himself

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Speaker 2: by buying a really nice watch.

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Speaker 4: I've heard I've heard stories about a lot of things

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Speaker 4: that put Jeff to do after losses.

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Speaker 3: Likewise and wins Uh.

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Speaker 2: I would imagine the most recent one has not been

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Speaker 2: dropped yet.

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Speaker 4: No, it'll probably be ready for doople in the morning.

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Speaker 2: Gotcha, the AFC North, the division the Bengals are in,

698
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: is still up for grabs. You've got this massive tilt

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Speaker 2: on a Sunday between the Ravens and Steelers.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe there will be negative fallout for the

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Speaker 2: head coach of the losing team on Sunday?

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Speaker 3: I do not.

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Speaker 2: No, no, not gonna move on from Mike Tomlin. No,

705
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Speaker 2: not gonna move on from John Harbaugh.

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Speaker 3: No, okay, I mean I want the Steelers to keep Mike.

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Speaker 3: I think I don't understand.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm with you. I would have said Tomlin. I

709
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Speaker 4: would have thought myself, they're in this rut with Tomlin.

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Speaker 4: Like clearly they're in this rut with Tomlin. But they're

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Speaker 4: pretty dedicated to him. I mean that's been apparent for

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Speaker 4: a long time, Like they and he. I mean, the

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Speaker 4: man does seem to He takes a team that you

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Speaker 4: think should win five games and gets them to win

715
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Speaker 4: nine every year. There's very much value in that. Like,

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Speaker 4: I'm for that, And if they can ever give them

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Speaker 4: a little bit more in terms of the offensive side

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Speaker 4: of the ball or at quarterback, then maybe he'd have

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Speaker 4: a chance to do something special. Again, I'm not saying that.

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Speaker 4: They just certainly don't seem like they have any interest

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Speaker 4: in moving on from Mike. And I don't see Mike

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Speaker 4: walking away from anything even if they lose, Like, I

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Speaker 4: just don't.

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Speaker 3: I just don't see that.

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Speaker 4: What do I what do I know exactly what's gonna happen,

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Speaker 4: But more than most I don't think. I just have

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Speaker 4: never gotten that when you hear how dedicated they are.

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Speaker 4: I don't see Tomlin all of a sudden walking away

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Speaker 4: from it because they lose one game, like he's not

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Speaker 4: gonna budge like that and start going and doing TV

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Speaker 4: or whatever like. And John Harbaugh isn't going anywhere. And

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Speaker 4: John Harbaugh has done a great job, He's had great teams.

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Speaker 4: One year, Lamar is struggling a little bit and they're

734
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Speaker 4: not winning as much, and all of a sudden, John

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Speaker 4: Harbaugh is not going to be a part of things,

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Speaker 4: right Like, I don't believe that for a second. So no,

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Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think. I think and in fact,

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Speaker 4: I think all four AFS and North coaches will be back.

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Speaker 4: Is gonna come back and clean?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I know he's under fire, but I

741
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Speaker 3: don't see him. I just think that they'll stick with him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's a lot of there's more smoke

743
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Speaker 4: than we've ever seen around Stefanski here, mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I still I still feel it just.

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Speaker 2: Seems to me like the moment I'm the Browns fan,

746
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Speaker 2: but the moment they saddled him with Deshaun Watson, they

747
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Speaker 2: made his job almost impossible.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the whole every I mean, what are they supposed

749
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Speaker 4: to be doing right now?

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Speaker 3: What are they winning right with? With the With the

751
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Speaker 3: quarterback situation being what it is, you can have a

752
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Speaker 3: great defense. They don't have a quarterback or a lot

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Speaker 3: of receivers.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Well, so all four guys back in the

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Speaker 2: AFC North.

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Speaker 4: I mean that'd be my bet Stefanski, with the being

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Speaker 4: the obvious, the one who would be.

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Speaker 3: Most would would Sunday. I know, you don't cover the Browns.

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Speaker 3: Would Sunday's game have any any bearing on that? I

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Speaker 3: don't think so.

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Speaker 4: I think this this feels like one of these year

762
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Speaker 4: long battles that have been going on internally, you know,

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Speaker 4: and it's like whether they're either going to decide that

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Speaker 4: I'm okay with everything that you said, maybe when you

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Speaker 4: didn't mean some things and that I said, and that

766
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Speaker 4: we all felt about it, and we all either agree

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Speaker 4: on what the path forward should be, or you're gonna

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Speaker 4: say you don't agree with what the path forward should be.

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Speaker 4: Do you think anything to do with winning or losing

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Speaker 4: at the Bengals?

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Speaker 2: Do you think it would be reasonable for Zach Taylor

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Speaker 2: and Kevin Stefanski to meet up before the game on

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Speaker 2: Sunday morning and agree to not throw a pass?

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Speaker 3: So again, could just be over do it?

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Speaker 4: You remember there's been a number of final preseason games. Well,

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Speaker 4: he felt like that was the agreement. Yes, Marvin Lewis

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Speaker 4: had a bunch of those where it was like did

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Speaker 4: they just run it like forty nine times? I feel

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Speaker 4: like that's the way to go six three final. It's

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Speaker 4: just I just keep her, get Chase Brown his thousand,

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Speaker 4: you know, and just keep right ongoing.

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Speaker 2: I think if you're Zach Taylor, you call Kevin Stefanska

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Speaker 2: and go, hey, how would you like to be one

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Speaker 2: of two head coaches who coached in the shortest game ever,

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Speaker 2: right and have that bad boy like, let's let's try

786
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Speaker 2: to be at our like Zach says, like I want

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Speaker 2: to be at my house by four o'clock.

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Speaker 4: I'm going safe game plan. There's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if it's like, okay, if Joe's gonna play,

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Speaker 4: I certainly will not be calling any seven step drops

791
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Speaker 4: or long developing plays or anything that doesn't have three

792
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Speaker 4: people staring right at Myles Garrett.

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Speaker 2: Is there somebody playing their last game in a Bengals

794
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Speaker 2: uniform on Sunday that we aren't necessarily talking as much

795
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Speaker 2: about them playing the last game in a beform on Sunday,

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00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 2: Whether it be because they can walk as a free agent,

797
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Speaker 2: the team cuts, the guy decides he wants to go

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Speaker 2: do something else, anybody like that.

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Speaker 4: Bj Hill's the most interesting decision in that regard. I

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Speaker 4: think they there would be some they would save some money,

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Speaker 4: but it'd be a little more dead money than they

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Speaker 4: usually prefer to take on. But that said, he has

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Speaker 4: a two million dollars roster bonus on the fifth day

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Speaker 4: of the league year, which is always an indicator of

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Speaker 4: what's going to happen there. They're potentially going to be

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Speaker 4: looking for somebody to give you a little bit more

807
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 4: pass rush juice out of the three technique position. It's

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Speaker 4: not really what BJ has been doing. How much do

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Speaker 4: they view his injuries as part of what's happening. He's

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Speaker 4: only a year older. All of that I think plays

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Speaker 4: into Okay, are they trying to turn over leadership anyway?

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00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 4: So you're you're okay, just moving on? That could be

813
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Speaker 4: this could be that for him that maybe not all

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Speaker 4: to be are thinking about are talking about, because that'su

815
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Speaker 4: a position where they could upgrade with someone who is

816
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 4: must much more of a pass rusher than what that

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Speaker 4: BJ is. And and he's been you know, it's been

818
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 4: okay this year, but no, you know, it's it's like

819
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Speaker 4: it has to be better on the on the line

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Speaker 4: as a whole.

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Speaker 2: Talk about somebody who represents one of the best trades

822
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: they've ever made though. Absolutely, you know Billy Price, who

823
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: they were gonna cut anyway, and got a piece who

824
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: was a part of two teams in made AFC Championship

825
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 2: games and made the critical play in the game that

826
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Speaker 2: they won against Kansas City. Yeah, absolutely, what I mean

827
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Speaker 2: for all that has filled a fantastic girl to me,

828
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: the Bengals lost their way when they took him out

829
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Speaker 2: of the role. Like to me, when they started asking

830
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 2: him to be more. He was great as a rotational

831
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,479
Speaker 2: guy in there, and everybody gets older and things change

832
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: or whatever. But like in that role when you give

833
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: him as a real one two punch and the problem

834
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: with that is Chris Jenkins hasn't developed. But when you

835
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: give him that and don't ask him.

836
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 4: They asked him to play way too many snaps for

837
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 4: multiple years, way too many snaps, and I think when

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00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 4: you keep that number lower, it was always a you're

839
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 4: you're getting more with less, uh from from him, And

840
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 4: I think they too often asked him to do too

841
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 4: much and it took away I think a little bit

842
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 4: from what he's been later in his career. But yeah, still,

843
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 4: by every stretch, an unbelievable deal. It's like, man, why

844
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 4: can't you guys just try to throw away center for

845
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 4: a guy who's gonna be a defensive centerpiece for the

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Speaker 4: next five years all the time?

847
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Speaker 2: They should do that more. I've thought of the emotions.

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Speaker 2: I'll have one number twenty two jogs off the field.

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Speaker 3: For the last time.

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Speaker 4: Will you go down to where the they go in

851
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 4: the tunnel and ask for his gloves.

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Speaker 3: I might, you know, I might.

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Speaker 4: Could you please throw me your gloves or and your

854
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 4: cleats and you're you know, all of it. Could you

855
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 4: imagine how big that would be if you could put

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Speaker 4: them on your dog?

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Speaker 3: He'd miss I mean, you know, he'd throw the Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I know where you're going. I get it. I don't

859
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Speaker 3: know if there is an athlete.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I have complained about more yeah in

861
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Speaker 2: my career than Geno Stones.

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00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's only been here two years.

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00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 4: You know, I think it's interesting here. He's a lovely man,

864
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 4: but they like a lot of what he has done.

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Speaker 4: Behind the scenes, I think they've looked when they felt

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00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 4: like there aren't a lot of people that seem to

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Speaker 4: care very much, right.

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Speaker 3: Or at least that was certainly a part of the problem.

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Speaker 4: At one point this year, he always felt like somebody

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00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 4: who did care does care, does try to make things

871
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Speaker 4: work for the better. I think off the field, his

872
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 4: presence has been good. The problem is he is largely

873
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 4: paid for what you do on the field, and that

874
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 4: has not been TOOKO. No, we'll talk to you next year.

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Speaker 4: Thank you as always looking forward to it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for Paul Danner Junior Rita's work Theathletic dot com,

877
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Speaker 3: Right That is Us good a Leger. We are broadcasting

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Speaker 3: from Oakley. This is ESBN fifteen thirty. Thank you so

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Speaker 3: much for joining us. If you are looking for a

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Speaker 3: place to post up Tomorrow night for three years eve.

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Speaker 2: Well Oakley Greens, Oakley Greens, Right would you look at

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Speaker 2: for a place not only post up from New Year's Eve?

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Speaker 2: Watched the Ohio State Miami game. Bluck guys are nine

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Speaker 2: and a half point favorites. There's a movement on the

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Speaker 2: internet that I've seen on Twitter, where I guess some

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Speaker 2: analysts have pointed out that Miami might not be a pushover,

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Speaker 2: that they've got a very good defensive front, some questioning

901
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Speaker 2: if Ohio States schedule has prepared them to play the

902
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Speaker 2: Hurricanes or make a long run in the College Football playoff.

903
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Speaker 2: And so you know, some are on the internet claiming

904
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Speaker 2: that everybody's disrespecting the Ohio State Buckeyes, and maybe some are.

905
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Speaker 2: They're nine and a half point favorites. They're the reigning

906
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: national champions, they are the odds on favorite to win

907
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 2: the whole thing. They have been ranked number one in

908
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 2: both major polls more frequently this season than any other team.

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Speaker 3: There's no real disrespect.

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Speaker 2: But here's what I've come to realize in my life

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Speaker 2: as a sports fan, which goes back many, many many years,

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Speaker 2: that whether it's a fan like you or I, or

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Speaker 2: a coach or a player will go to any length

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Speaker 2: possible to claim that people don't respect our team. I

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00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 2: watched when Georgia wanted second consecutive national title a few

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Speaker 2: years Ago. I watched a play in the immediate aftermath

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Speaker 2: of their deconstruction of TCU. Look at the camera and say,

918
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: no one thought we could do this. Nobody thought Georgia

919
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Speaker 2: go in a national title. So do what you gotta do.

920
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Speaker 2: If you're an Ohio State fan, you want to run

921
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Speaker 2: with this storyline, go for it. They're nine and a

922
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Speaker 2: half point favorites. If you want to watch that game somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Can't do any better than Oakley Greens. Obviously, three more

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Speaker 2: games on New Year's Day NFL Week eighteen. There's games

925
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Speaker 2: that matter. There's also Bengals Browns. You can watch all

926
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Speaker 2: that stuff here. College basketball as well, obviously the Liberty

927
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Speaker 2: Bawl on Friday. Of course, the centerpiece of the football weekend,

928
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Speaker 2: Cincinnati versus Navy. Evan Pryor apparently didn't make the trip

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Speaker 2: with the bearcad, so you can cross him off the

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Speaker 2: list of players we're gonna play on Friday against Navy.

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Speaker 2: Watch all that here at Oakley Greens. We love coming

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Speaker 2: here and it's been a blast doing the show every

933
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Speaker 2: single Tuesday since pretty much the middle of August.

934
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Speaker 3: More on the Bengals coming up in just a bit.

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Speaker 2: We have another great college basketball ran John Caliperry college

936
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Speaker 2: basketball is I am an enormous proponent of players getting paid.

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Speaker 2: I'm an enormous proponent of everybody getting paid. Like I

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Speaker 2: know people who are selective capitalists, They're okay if some

939
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Speaker 2: types of people get paid.

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Speaker 3: I want to get paid.

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Speaker 2: I want Airby to make as much money as they can,

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Speaker 2: including college basketball players.

943
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Speaker 3: But I'm also I'm pro rules.

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Speaker 2: Regulations, which there are non in college basketball college sports

945
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Speaker 2: right now. And so I think how things continue to

946
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Speaker 2: evolve and in some cases devolve as it relates to

947
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Speaker 2: college sports until we get rules, And I honestly, in

948
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Speaker 2: the absence of collective margating or legislative intervention, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how we're gonna get rules. But this

950
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Speaker 2: week has served as a little bit of a tipping

951
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Speaker 2: point for college basketball because we have players who have

952
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Speaker 2: been drafted in the NBA before and haven't played in

953
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Speaker 2: the NBA but have been drafted by NBA teams now

954
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Speaker 2: joining programs mid season. We're going to spend some time

955
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Speaker 2: on that a little bit later on, and more on

956
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Speaker 2: the Bengals as well. The Reds over the weekend made

957
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Speaker 2: two acquisitions. They got JJ Bleda who used to play

958
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Speaker 2: for the Oakland Athletics, and then they also made an

959
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 2: an acquisition Dean Myers.

960
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Speaker 3: The Reds whift on Kyle Schwarber. The Reds.

961
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Speaker 2: Have not added the big impact back that a lot

962
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Speaker 2: of people were looking for.

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Speaker 3: Ice called him Dean Myers. It was Dane Myers, and

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Speaker 3: so a fair.

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Speaker 2: Amount of consternation, if that's the right word among Reds

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Speaker 2: fans about adding players who seemed to be just roster

967
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Speaker 2: filler JJ bl Day. The Athletics had no more use

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Speaker 2: for him. Dane Myers they acquired via trade. We're talking

969
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Speaker 2: about players. I did this on social media on Saturday.

970
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: I just I googled similar players to JJ Bladay and

971
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Speaker 2: the three names that came up were Will Benson, Jake Frayley,

972
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 2: and Austin Hayes. There's room on a big league roster

973
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Speaker 2: for a player. Let's just make it about JAJ Bladay.

974
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Speaker 2: There's room for a player like him on a big

975
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Speaker 2: league roster. And there's nothing wrong with addressing depth and

976
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 2: strengthening your bench and just and having better options across

977
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: the entire twenty six man roster. You could acquire players

978
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 2: during the offseason that aren't starters that can still fill

979
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: important roles on your team. So at face value, there

980
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 2: is a such thing as a relatively low risk reclamation

981
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: project you can just find ways to get more out of.

982
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 2: And he adds depth to your team, and he's another

983
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Speaker 2: option for your manager. And so at face value, no

984
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 2: issue with signing JJ Bleday.

985
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Speaker 3: But there's two things.

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Speaker 2: Number One, it has not come in addition to this

987
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Speaker 2: sort of needle moving bat that everybody stated a desire

988
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 2: for the Reds to get once last season ended. Now

989
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Speaker 2: they may still acquire Louise Robert, and that feels like

990
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: it's been talked about now for forever. Luise Robert is

991
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 2: a guy who the Chicago White Sox have been waiting

992
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: for it to start playing better so they can get

993
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: more for him, and he hasn't started playing better, Like

994
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Speaker 2: his stock doesn't seem to be very high. Luise Roberts

995
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: last good year was twenty twenty three, which was forever ago.

996
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: But JJ Bleday, like, look at the opening day lineup

997
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: each of the last three years where you see names

998
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Speaker 2: over the last three years like Will Benson and Will

999
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 2: Myers and Jake Fraley, Jason Vossler, and then you see

1000
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 2: how the seasons have unfolded with guys like I don't know,

1001
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 2: Connor Caple and Jacob Herdabies and Connor Joe and a

1002
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: seemingly long, endless line of players who sort of feel

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Speaker 2: like they're JJ Bleday. So the issue isn't the fact

1004
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 2: that they acquire a JJ Bleday. The issue I think

1005
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: is that they seem to have had an over reliance

1006
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 2: on players just like him right, who aren't like dudes

1007
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 2: who would start for the Milwaukee Brewers, or guys who

1008
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 2: are among the best at their position, who are fringe

1009
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Speaker 2: big leaguers who are bench bats on.

1010
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Speaker 3: A good team like that.

1011
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Speaker 2: That's the It's not acquiring a guy who's got a

1012
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 2: you know, a chance to prove to be a good

1013
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 2: acquisition based on the fact that you don't have to

1014
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 2: pay them all that much. And there are players who

1015
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Speaker 2: leave one organization and go to another, and the next

1016
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: organization is just a better fit where there's better coaching,

1017
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Speaker 2: or it's a change of scenery, or there's a more

1018
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 2: ideal role for him. But if you've watched the Reds

1019
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 2: in recent years and you've watched them truck out there,

1020
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 2: you know nothing against these guys individually, nothing against them

1021
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 2: as people. But Jake Fraley and Austin Hayes and Will

1022
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 2: Benson and Will Myers, and it's either guys who were

1023
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 2: good once upon a time, or guys who other franchises

1024
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 2: simply didn't want, or guys who just don't seem to

1025
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 2: from a productivity standpoint, have a very high ceiling. When

1026
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: you are a franchise that has a prett record of

1027
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 2: needing a lot of those guys, of playing a lot

1028
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 2: of those guys, of using a lot of those type

1029
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 2: guys in prominent roles, the fear becomes that a guy

1030
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: like JJ Bledet is going to be asked to play

1031
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 2: a lot, that he's going to be used as more

1032
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 2: than just a bench piece, that he's going to be

1033
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 2: used as more than just a fourth or fifth outfielder,

1034
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 2: that he is a guy who's going to be basically

1035
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: the centerpiece of what they do to their offense. This is, unfortunately,

1036
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 2: like there's been so many of these types of players,

1037
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: and some of them may work out, some of them

1038
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 2: have had their moments. Will Benson has had his, Jake

1039
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 2: Freeley has had his, But specifically in the outfield, there

1040
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: haven't been enough guys that you go, you know, what

1041
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 2: that dude's a top five player at his position, or

1042
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 2: that guy has the potential to put together an all

1043
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 2: star caliber season, or this guy has an opportunity to

1044
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 2: provide a level of protection to everybody else in the

1045
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 2: batting order. There haven't been enough guys like that, specifically

1046
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 2: in the outfield. And so yeah, man, you can't help

1047
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 2: but hold JJ Blade's profile against him because that profile

1048
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 2: of player Thereats have rely on, relied on a little

1049
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 2: bit too much more than they should. Five point three

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Speaker 2: seven four nine fifteen thirty is our phone number. Our

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Speaker 2: just about fifteen minutes that I've I've wanted to do

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Speaker 2: here for a while, where, uh, we're gonna talk about

1058
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Speaker 2: sports because that's what we do, but we're gonna talk

1059
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 2: about law, and it feels like on a daily basis,

1060
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,959
Speaker 2: close to daily basis, the intersection of sports and law

1061
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,959
Speaker 2: becomes such a big part of what we talk about,

1062
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 2: and God knows there is now and uh, specifically as

1063
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 2: it relates this week to the NCAA and the the

1064
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 2: wild West that but we can't stop talking about in

1065
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 2: college sports.

1066
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Speaker 3: We're gonna do that.

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Speaker 2: Coming up at about fifteen minutes on ESPN fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station, Cincinnati.

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Speaker 8: This is Football in the NATI, brought to you by

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Speaker 8: Modern Office Methods on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home

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Speaker 8: of the Cincinnati Bengals.

1072
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 2: Twenty four after four o'clock, We're at Oakley Greens. This

1073
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: is ESPN fifteen thirty.

1074
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Speaker 3: Twn't forgets the Bengals and Browns.

1075
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 2: The season finale at one o'clock live on ESPN fifteen thirty.

1076
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 2: Pre game coverage starts at nine to five Sunday. Joe

1077
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Speaker 2: Burrow is gonna play even if he should. I do

1078
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: think as it relates to twenty twenty six specifically, Look,

1079
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 2: this Bengal season.

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00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 3: You don't need me to tell you.

1081
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 2: It's been close to disastrous, as thoroughly unenjoyable a season

1082
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 2: as I can recall. And I've rooted for this team

1083
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: for four decades, and I've been through a lot of

1084
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: losing seasons because of expectation, because of you know, the

1085
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: deficiencies that bubble to the surface last year not being

1086
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 2: addressed to the extent they should have been this offseason

1087
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 2: for a thousand different reasons. This was a bad year.

1088
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 2: And that is putting it as gently as I can.

1089
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 2: To not make the postseason for a third straight year

1090
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 2: while you have a bona fide a lister at quarterback

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Speaker 2: in his prime is inexcusable. Now, as you talked about

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, there are some things that have unfolded that.

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00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 3: Bode well for twenty twenty six.

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00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 2: One of them is the twenty twenty three draft class

1095
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 2: has been pretty good. Now, you might not want to

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00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 2: like give all those dudes second contracts, but there's good

1097
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 2: conversations to be had about, you know, the role of

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00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 2: Miles Murphy on next year's team, in the future of

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00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 2: DJ Turner, and what they do with Chase Brown financially

1100
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 2: because he plays running back, and even Andre Yoshavas like

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00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 2: that draft class for twenty twenty six has guys who

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Speaker 2: you want to be on the team next year, who

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00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 2: you may want to extend, who you're.

1104
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 3: Certainly worth, who are certainly worth.

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00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,720
Speaker 2: Building around next season that matters for twenty twenty six,

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00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 2: even if it really hasn't helped the team win more

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00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: games in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: The other one for me is the offensive line.

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00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 2: Like I'll say, the offensive line's fixed relative to how

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00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 2: we talk about that group every single year. When's the

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00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 2: last time going into an offseason when you talked about

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00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 2: like priorities that the first or second thing mentioned wasn't

1113
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 2: the offensive line. Now, you're always looking for upgrades at

1114
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 2: every position. You're always making roster decisions with the short

1115
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 2: term in mind, but also the long term, and so

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00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 2: you know, long term, who's gonna play left tackle? Fair question,

1117
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 2: There is always gonna be even when your offensive line

1118
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: is great, you know, there's always gonna be a need

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00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 2: for death pieces and guys who are gonna play a

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Speaker 2: few years down the road. That's what they tried to

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00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 2: do in twenty fifteen. Twenty fifteen, the Bengals might have

1122
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 2: had the best offensive line in the league that spring.

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00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 2: They drafted two guys who didn't play. But I think

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00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 2: all of us would be okay with the starting five

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00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 2: right now on the offensive line being the five day

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00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 2: start the season with Week one next year, that's good

1127
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 2: That's not only helpful when you talk about protecting Joe Burrow,

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00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 2: it matters when you talk about the road map for

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00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 2: the offseason because Duke Tobin's got a ton of work

1130
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 2: to do on the defense. That's an obvious statement. That

1131
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 2: work is a lot easier when you could devote pretty

1132
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 2: much all your time and energy and money to it.

1133
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 2: And you could do that when you don't have to

1134
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 2: devote all that much to an area that they have

1135
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 2: spent years addressing and prioritizing and missing on, and that's

1136
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 2: the offensive line. Hargis mim is a really good player.

1137
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 2: Dylan Fairchild looks like he's gonna be a really good player.

1138
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:08,959
Speaker 2: Dalton Reisner, as much as you could have reasonably taken

1139
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,280
Speaker 2: issue with how long it took Duke Tobin to find

1140
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 2: a solution at guard, Dalton Reisner has been one. Ted

1141
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 2: Carriss continues to be a solid player. Orlando Brown is

1142
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 2: no longer in his prime. You could do a lot

1143
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 2: worse at left tackle. Like their offensive line is fixed.

1144
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 2: So Duke Tobin goes into the offseason with one side

1145
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 2: of the football that is, it's set. We'll do this

1146
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 2: in the five o'clock hour. They're gonna be eighteen general

1147
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,959
Speaker 2: managers or personnel directors or de facto general managers who's

1148
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 2: starting Monday have to take a non playoff team and.

1149
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 3: Get him back to the postseason.

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00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 2: How many of them have like one half of their

1151
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 2: team where they're set. There ain't many, There might not

1152
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 2: be any. They're set, yes because of Joe Yes, because

1153
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 2: of Jamar Yes, because of t Yes, because of Chase Brown.

1154
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 2: They're mainly set because the offensive line is turned into

1155
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 2: one that's pretty good and I think can only get better.

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Speaker 2: More on that coming up in the five o'clock hour,

1157
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 2: twenty nine minutes after four o'clock. So we talk a

1158
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 2: lot about the future of college basketball and college football

1159
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 2: and what it's going to look like in a year,

1160
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 2: how it's been professionalized, and the good parts of this

1161
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 2: and the not so good parts of this. At the

1162
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 2: core of all of this is the NCAA continually getting

1163
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 2: its tail kicked in court. I want to know why.

1164
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 2: We have our new sports law expert here to tell

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Speaker 2: us why.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that a day or at least a

1181
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 2: week goes by without sports and the law intersecting. Heck,

1182
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 2: the Stefan Diggs story, which is not good, would be

1183
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 2: an example of that. We'll maybe spend some time on

1184
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 2: that next week. And so I've wanted for a while,

1185
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 2: I've wanted somebody on our show who could talk about

1186
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 2: sports and the law and not necessarily an athlete getting

1187
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 2: in trouble, but like with what's happening in college sports

1188
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 2: right now, the courts are often involved, and when they're not,

1189
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 2: they probably will be. And so, uh, we have can

1190
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 2: I say we've we've gotten on retainer to use the

1191
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 2: proper term. Stuart Penrose from the Manilo Law Group, It's

1192
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:09,919
Speaker 2: you're my new legal guy.

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00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 9: I'm glad, glad to be Thanks for having me on

1194
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 9: the show.

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00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 3: MO, I appreciate it.

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00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 2: You're gonna end up answering a lot of really dumb

1197
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 2: questions from me.

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00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 9: I answer dumb questions every day, both personally and professionally.

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Speaker 9: I've answered dumb questions on the radio with Kid Chris

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00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 9: for years. That's not new to me.

1201
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 2: Uh, well, he's better at asking dumb questions, yes he is.

1202
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 2: All right, So so there's this is awesome and uh

1203
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 2: and we're gonna have you every week. There's there's always

1204
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 2: stuff floating around as it relates to sports and the law,

1205
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 2: and sometimes it's like a real serious legal issue. Sometimes it's,

1206
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 2: you know, something in the courts that's kind of complex

1207
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 2: and beyond the realm of uh my understanding. Uh, And

1208
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 2: sometimes we'll have some fun stuff. So it's gonna be

1209
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 2: a mixed bag, but I'm excited to do this.

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00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 9: It's awesome to have you as am. I very excited.

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00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 2: Uh start with this, So college sports are are very

1212
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 2: much at a weird place right. We have unprecedented challenges

1213
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 2: in college sports as it relates to athlete compensation, the

1214
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 2: transfer portal, and now we have players getting eligibility even

1215
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 2: though they've already been drafted by an NBA team. And

1216
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 2: at the heart of all this, it feels like the

1217
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 2: n c Double A is basically saying, well, we're gonna

1218
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 2: let this guy be eligible because if we end up

1219
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 2: getting taken to court, we're gonna lose. The NCAA's track

1220
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:25,479
Speaker 2: record in court is not good.

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00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 9: That's exactly what it is. The crux of it is

1222
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 9: they've been losing anti trust lawsuits. Started with the the

1223
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 9: Edo Bannon case. He's put in a video game with

1224
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 9: his likeness and says, hey, this isn't right, ensues over it,

1225
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 9: and he wins, and you know, that starts a string

1226
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 9: of lawsuits that challenge the n c Double A on

1227
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 9: antitrust laws. You had, you know, another case just a

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Speaker 9: few years ago, the ash In case that basically opened

1229
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 9: nil completely supreme you know, the unanimous Supreme Court decision

1230
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,479
Speaker 9: says that you can't stop these players from earnning money

1231
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,919
Speaker 9: from their name, image and likeness that it violates anti

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01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 9: trust laws to to do that and stop them from

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Speaker 9: having open, uh, you know, markets for their compensation.

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Speaker 2: So we hear the term anti trust, which is not

1235
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 2: a sports term. It's a legal term, but it's used

1236
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Speaker 2: all the time as it relates to sports. This is

1237
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Speaker 2: a stupid question. What what are anti trust laws about markets?

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Speaker 9: About having free markets, the ability to earn a living,

1239
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Speaker 9: the ability to have free markets determine prices of goods

1240
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Speaker 9: of services.

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Speaker 3: It's about free markets.

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Speaker 2: Baseball's gotten anti trust exemptions, professional sports leagues have gotten

1243
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Speaker 2: anti trust exemptions. Good college athletics get anti trust exemptions.

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Speaker 3: There are some limits to it.

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Speaker 9: You're not going to see unlimited eligibility, for instance. There

1246
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 9: are certain limits to where it can go with it.

1247
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Speaker 9: But the n C Double A, they had an old

1248
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 9: model of have heart, you know, very strict rules, focus

1249
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 9: on preserving amateurism and then enforcing their rules, and by

1250
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 9: losing all these anti trust cases, they've had to completely

1251
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 9: switched to a new model, which is, don't stop losing

1252
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 9: precedent setting lawsuits, be more adaptable, and that's what you're

1253
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 9: seeing you're seeing the NCAA be a lot more adaptable

1254
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 9: on eligibility, certainly on NIL, which you know, we're in

1255
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Speaker 9: the wild West, and I mean that's a completely another

1256
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 9: topic for a different day. You know, pros and cons

1257
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 9: with that. There's some sort of very unhealthy things with NIL,

1258
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 9: but they've had to adapt to it, to a new

1259
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 9: model to reserve, to preserve some relevancy and ensure that

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Speaker 9: they're schools don't leave.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we have another case that's going to go

1262
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 2: through the courts. A guess we're Diego Pavia, the Vatderbille

1263
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 2: quarterback Heisman finalist, right, is suing because he wants to

1264
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 2: keep playing college football, right, and and there's there's a

1265
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 2: lot of athletes watching how this may unfold. Who then

1266
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 2: would go, Okay, well, I want to come back and

1267
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Speaker 2: play college football, college basketball, whatever it is. Given the

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01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 2: NCAA's track record, it would feel like he is he is.

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Speaker 2: His legal maneuvering is going to be successful.

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Speaker 9: You would think, I mean, essentially, what he's challenging is

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01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 9: he didn't want his junior college years, which aren't n

1272
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 9: C double A, to count towards his nc DOUBLEA eligibility.

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01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 9: But he didn't play this year because the n C

1274
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 9: DOUBLEA allowed him to play, or that he got a waiver.

1275
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 9: He played because of Judge granted an injunction preventing the

1276
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 9: NC Double A from enforcing their denial of his eligibility

1277
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 9: for this year. N C Double A didn't, you know,

1278
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 9: fight hard back on it. They see the writing on

1279
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 9: the wall and they don't want to set bad precedent

1280
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 9: to you know, further degrade their brand and you know,

1281
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 9: lose more teeth than they've already lost. But yes, I mean,

1282
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 9: he's my understands that he's going to the NFL. But yes,

1283
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 9: all the other athletes are going to watch what happens

1284
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 9: in this lawsuit that he's not dropping and I have

1285
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 9: to believe twelve other athletes in this lawsuit as well too.

1286
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 9: But that's going to set a lot of precedent that

1287
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 9: will affect a lot of JUCO players going forward.

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01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 2: I hear people say, well, the NC Double A is

1289
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 2: so bad at this because their basic business model is illegal.

1290
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Speaker 2: What would a lawyer say about that.

1291
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Speaker 9: It's it's not completely black and white. They are trying

1292
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 9: how they do it is legal, but they are trying

1293
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 9: to adapt to stay that way and they are getting

1294
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 9: challenged left and right. So it is legal, but certain

1295
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 9: aspects of it are being challenged, particularly with eligibility, with

1296
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 9: different types of anti trust, with compensation models. It is legal,

1297
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 9: but it's being parts of it are being challenged regularly.

1298
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 2: We basically in college sports, we you know, we have

1299
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 2: no rules, right, and so in the Wild West now

1300
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 2: it is the NFL has rules, right. The NFL has

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01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 2: rules that are collectively bargained and agreed upon. Right where

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Speaker 2: the players Association says, well, here's what we want, the

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Speaker 2: NFL says, here what the owners want, and then they

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Speaker 2: agree to a collective bargaining agreement. It lasts, however, many years.

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Speaker 2: So it works in the NBA. It's it works in

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Speaker 2: Major League Baseball. We don't have that in college sports.

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Speaker 2: In the absence of collective part of collective bargaining, can

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Speaker 2: the NCAA legally start to create and in force its

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Speaker 2: own set of rules to rain everything in?

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Speaker 3: Good luck? Right? Good luck?

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Speaker 9: It's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: It can't happen.

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Speaker 9: Everything's getting challenged. And let's be honest, there are powers

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Speaker 9: bigger than them. Right now, the conferences are more powerful.

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Speaker 9: In double A, the TV TV is more powerful. You know, Fox,

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Speaker 9: ABC and CBS. They control the money of college football,

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Speaker 9: along with the Big ten SEC and to some extent,

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Speaker 9: the Big twelve and the others. The money dictates the power,

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01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 9: and the n c double A has lost a grasp

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Speaker 9: of that completely.

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Speaker 3: It's I mean, it is.

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Speaker 2: You know, people talk about it like it's some governing body.

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Speaker 2: The NCAA is a collection of schools.

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Speaker 9: It's technically a nonprofit right.

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Speaker 2: So if the collection of schools got together and said, look,

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Speaker 2: he're the rules. You have four years to you have

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Speaker 2: five years to play for, which is what it used

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Speaker 2: to be five years to play for. You could transfer

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01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 2: once with that penalty. We're gonna put a hard cap

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Speaker 2: and what everybody can make in terms of revenue sharing.

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Speaker 3: And these are the rules. They would be completely unenforceable,

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Speaker 3: is what you're telling me.

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Speaker 9: In a lot of ways. Yes, I mean there are

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Speaker 9: some things that can be enforced. You can't, you know,

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Speaker 9: for instance, be on your third degree, be on your doctorate,

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01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 9: and being your ninth year. There's going to be limits

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Speaker 9: to it. Are some there are still some limits to it.

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01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 9: You're not gonna have a thirty six year old quarterback

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01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 9: in college football. There are still some things that just

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01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 9: defy logic and reasoning that that would violate anti trust.

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01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 9: On the other end, given that this is still some

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Speaker 9: level of amateurism, you know, quote unquote whatever's left of that,

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Speaker 9: there's still technically students and in a lot of ways,

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01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 9: that's how they get around being employees and having contracts

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01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 9: and being subject to employment law, insurance and all of that.

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Speaker 2: How do you collectively bargain with a group of people

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01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 2: that's not a union.

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Speaker 9: Well, some of those some of the schools are trying

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01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 9: to union I some of the players are trying to unionize.

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Speaker 9: So that's there's just a lot of precedents that hasn't

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01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 9: been set with some of this. But it's I don't

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01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 9: see how you could possibly do it when there's not

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01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 9: a set organization like the NFL, like any pro league.

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01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 9: It's too fragmented in college football, in college sports in general.

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Speaker 2: Rather, let me ask you about the Ohio University. The

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Speaker 2: ex head coach at Ohio University, Brian Smith. So, in

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Speaker 2: the wake of the Sharon Moore thing, and I know

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Speaker 2: you're a Michigan guy, don't started right, this was sort

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Speaker 2: of like Sharon Moore light right, where you had the coach,

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Speaker 2: Brian Smith was terminated for a cause, and thankfully we're

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Speaker 2: not talking about somebody who went on to do something

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01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 2: that he's now you know, under you know, a felony

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Speaker 2: indictment for.

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Speaker 3: But he loses his job for a cause.

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01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 2: And the school says, well, you were having an extra

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Speaker 2: marital affair with.

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Speaker 3: A student at Ohio University student.

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Speaker 2: Uh So, first of all, because I think there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of folks that don't explain make the distinction between

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Speaker 2: firing with cause and without.

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Speaker 9: Well, if you fire him with cause, he's not going

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Speaker 9: to get any of his buyout.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 9: Furthermore, you kind of become unhiable at least for a

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01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 9: period of time if if you've got a with cause firing,

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01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 9: that is a big stain on your record.

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Speaker 2: With cause basically means you did something that compelled them

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Speaker 2: to fire.

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Speaker 9: In breach of your contract and compelled you to fire

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Speaker 9: you and you know, brought some disrepute to the university.

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01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 3: Without cause, you get your buyout.

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Speaker 9: If you're just fired for performance the team's not performing

1383
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 9: well enough, you get your buyout. Now he has counsel here,

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Speaker 9: he's disputing the allegations and the context of it. You

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Speaker 9: know my understanding for you know, he says that he

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Speaker 9: was in the middle of a divorce and that there

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Speaker 9: was no affair. And I'm not sure the age of

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Speaker 9: the student. I read somewhere that she was in her forties.

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Speaker 9: I don't know if that's true or not.

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Speaker 2: But and you said there weren't going to be thirty

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Speaker 2: six year old quarterbacks, right right.

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Speaker 9: But he disputes the you know, the nuances of what

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Speaker 9: he's being alleged by the university. These cases are almost

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01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 9: certain in a settlement of some sort. Yeah, he'll get

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Speaker 9: some sort of settlement of his buyout. He is going

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01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 9: to want to push for it to be without cause firing.

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01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 9: That's going to be the big win for him.

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Speaker 2: So the school says, well, you were having an affair

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Speaker 2: with the student, and he says, well, you don't have

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Speaker 2: a rule against having an affair with the student.

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Speaker 3: First all, I think there wasn't a rule against it.

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Speaker 2: There no rule against having a sexual relationship with the student.

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Speaker 9: Sure, I'm sure that there is some morality clause in

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01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 9: his contract, and some clause that if he brings some

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Speaker 9: disrepute or you know, bad press to the university. And

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Speaker 9: I can see how it can be construed with that.

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Speaker 9: My understanding is that he was living at the university

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01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 9: hotel at the time until he could find, you know,

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Speaker 9: a permanent home out there, and he was seen with

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Speaker 9: her with some of the players' families. There is what

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Speaker 9: I read, So I can see how it can be

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01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 9: argued a certain way. But there's enough gray area here

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01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 9: that the minds are going to meet in the middle somewhere.

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Speaker 9: Neither side wants this drug out into litigation where you know,

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01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:44,639
Speaker 9: bad facts on both sides are coming out. People want

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Speaker 9: to move on and there'll be some sort of settlement.

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01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 2: I would think if this guy wants to continue coaching

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01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 2: at any level, that it would make sense for him

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01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 2: to not have some of the senior details of his

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Speaker 2: life be spilled out into the public.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 9: In same thing for Ohio University, you don't want that either,

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Speaker 9: you know, saying that this happened under our watch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they also said he had booze in his office.

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Speaker 2: And if every coach that I know who's had booze

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Speaker 2: in their office, God fired for there would be no coaches.

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Speaker 3: We wouldn't have coaches to complain about college athletics.

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Speaker 9: How about lawyers with booze in their office.

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Speaker 3: Does that happen? No, No, yes, radio executives, not my office.

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Speaker 9: You're off not my office.

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01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 3: Well we can change that, all right. You're gonna join

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Speaker 3: me every.

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01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 9: Tuesday, every Tuesday. Looking forward to it.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be awesome. Were my questions? These were dumb questions,

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Speaker 2: I will admit this.

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Speaker 9: No, they were great questions. They were fantastic questions.

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Speaker 3: Okay, very good.

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01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 9: Hopefully I had decent answers.

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01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 3: Very all right. I learned a lot. Well, thank you

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01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,600
Speaker 3: very much, Minila Law Group, Stuart Penrose will see you

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Speaker 3: next Tuesday. Man, thanks so much. Thank you. Mo.

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Speaker 2: having us all throughout the football season.

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Speaker 3: More on the Bengals coming up.

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Speaker 2: I am going to play a SoundBite from John CALIPERI

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Speaker 2: I get a cued sometimes being the guy who loves

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Speaker 2: the wild West that is college sports.

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Speaker 3: No like.

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Speaker 2: The way college sports used to operate, I always felt

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Speaker 2: was grossly unfair. I was watching Chad Brendle's podcast on

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Speaker 2: YouTube two nights ago, where he was talking about just

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Speaker 2: the way college sports have devolved in recent years. A

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Speaker 2: lot of us were in favor of athletes getting paid.

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Speaker 2: Like I'm the ultimate free market guy. I as a

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Speaker 2: general rule, I don't believe in salary caps. I don't

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Speaker 2: believe in maximum salaries. I don't believe in anything that

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Speaker 2: puts limit on what people can earn, whether they're in

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Speaker 2: the private sector, whether they're athletes, coaches, college kids, like

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Speaker 2: I think, I think everybody should be able to go

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Speaker 2: and get every dollar they can, and ultimately the market

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Speaker 2: will dictate in many cases what everybody can get. I

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Speaker 2: as in favor of that and have been my entire life.

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Speaker 2: I frustrate a lot of my fellow Reds fans when

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Speaker 2: I say, like, I'm not in favor of a salary cap,

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Speaker 2: like I just philosophically don't believe in anything that puts

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01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 2: a cap on what people can earn. I also don't

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Speaker 2: believe that salary caps were ever initiated to give us

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Speaker 2: competitive balance. They were initiated to keep salaries level. But

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Speaker 2: that's a different topic. But as much as you know,

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Speaker 2: a lot of us didn't like the idea that, for instance,

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Speaker 2: a coach could block whether or not a kid was

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Speaker 2: going to transfer. That's how we used to It's how

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Speaker 2: we did things ten years ago. Or a player couldn't

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Speaker 2: leave a school if his or her coach left, and

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Speaker 2: the coach could leave, but the player couldn't. Like, all

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Speaker 2: of these things that so many of us railed against

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01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 2: and found unfair have been rectified, but they've been rectified

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Speaker 2: or changed with there being no guidelines or rules in place.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know how that changes. I don't know

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Speaker 2: how that changes without legislative intervention or collective bargaining.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know how that happens. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Like, so everybody wanted things to be less slanted against athletes,

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Speaker 2: and I think most wanted the student athletes to be

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Speaker 2: able to make money and let the market determine what

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Speaker 2: they're worth. I don't know that anybody was in favor

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Speaker 2: of their being anarchy. And that's what we have in

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Speaker 2: college sports right now. We have anarchy. People getting mad

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Speaker 2: at Scott drew A Baylor for recruiting the dude who

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Speaker 2: got drafted a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 3: His job is to win basketball games.

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Speaker 2: His job isn't to protect the sanctity of the sport

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Speaker 2: or collude with other coaches to not do something because

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Speaker 2: it's not the right thing to do for college basketball.

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Speaker 3: Job's win basketball games.

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Speaker 2: So I'll blame any coach for going and getting any

1515
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 2: player here or she can get by whatever means are allowed.

1516
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 2: The problem is now everything's allowed, and so it's to me,

1517
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 2: right now it is the single biggest question in all

1518
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 2: of sports today in the United States. How do you

1519
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 2: draft and enforce rules for college athletics? And what is

1520
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 2: this going to look like if there continues to be

1521
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 2: no guideline, no structure, no rules. That's to me, it's

1522
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 2: the biggest question. I can't find anybody who wants college

1523
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 2: athletics to look like it did ten years ago, fifteen

1524
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 2: years ago. I can't find anybody who has a huge

1525
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 2: appetite for how it's worked right now. Somebody say to

1526
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 2: me last night on social media, like they've canceled their

1527
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 2: Xavier basketball tickets, but not because they disliked the school

1528
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,640
Speaker 2: or dislike Richard Patino. They don't want to get to

1529
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 2: know ten to eleven new players every year. And I

1530
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 2: understand that, like you have a lot of folks I

1531
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 2: hear from them who the connection they had with the

1532
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 2: program is gone because of the lack of the total

1533
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 2: lack of continuity. I mean, I'll even say this is

1534
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 2: somebody who has wanted to see college sports change in

1535
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,799
Speaker 2: many ways I miss watching a guy like Gary Clark

1536
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 2: at UC for four years. I miss a story like

1537
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 2: Kenyan Martin where you watch him his freshman year and

1538
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 2: he looked incapable of playing. To his last year he

1539
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 2: was the best player in the country. I miss stories

1540
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 2: like that. We're not going to get those anymore. And

1541
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:21,799
Speaker 2: so it's to me it's the single biggest question facing

1542
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 2: any sport.

1543
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:24,679
Speaker 3: Any league, any entity.

1544
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 2: How do you take something that has no rules, no guidelines,

1545
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 2: and actually have them and be able to legally enforce them.

1546
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 2: It's coming up on five o'clock. We're at Oakley Greens

1547
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen.

1548
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 8: Thirty, ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

1549
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 2: So it's six minutes after five o'clock. This is ESPN

1550
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty moth Leger. We are broadcasting today from Oakley Greens.

1551
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:56,600
Speaker 2: How do you not love Oath League games? How do

1552
01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 2: you not love Oakly Greens? We're here till o'clock nights

1553
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 2: Pakley Greens. Tomorrow night, New Year's Eve, Cotton Bowl, Ohio

1554
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 2: State versus Miami, the College Football Playoff three games on

1555
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 2: New Year's Day, the Liberty Bawl on Friday too. NFL games,

1556
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 2: Big NFL games on Saturday, although that Bucks Panthers tiled

1557
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,679
Speaker 2: is not a winner take all necessarily because the La

1558
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 2: Rams have gummed up the works the NFL. The NFL

1559
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 2: is fascinating this year for a lot of different reasons.

1560
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 2: It's been a bit of an upside down season because

1561
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,599
Speaker 2: the Chiefs have been haven't been good, didn't make the postseason,

1562
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 2: The Ravens have been nah, Joe Burrow's not going to

1563
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 2: be in the playoffs again. The Bills didn't win the division,

1564
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:44,719
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl like it. There are years we say

1565
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 2: this and it really isn't the case. It feels wide open,

1566
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 2: like for instance, the Los Angeles Rams, and it's changed

1567
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 2: a little bit. When that game ended last night. Rams

1568
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 2: lose to the Falcons when that game ended night and

1569
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 2: by the way, I thought that Pukin Nakua catch on

1570
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 2: the sideline should have been a catch, should have been

1571
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 2: a catch just because it was awesome. But anyway, Rams

1572
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 2: lose that game and they are currently the sixth seed

1573
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 2: in the NFCED. They cannot win the division. They can't

1574
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 2: be the one seed. They could move up to the five.

1575
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:21,759
Speaker 2: Right now, they're the six and that is their most

1576
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 2: likely landing. Spot sixth seed, and yet when the game

1577
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 2: ended last night, they were the co betting favorite to

1578
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 2: win the whole thing.

1579
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 3: Now it's changed a little.

1580
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 2: They were co betting favorites with Seattle, who obviously plays

1581
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 2: in that massive tilt Saturday night against against San Francisco.

1582
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 2: The odds have shifted a little bit. Both Seattle and

1583
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 2: LA last night were plus five point fifty. I look

1584
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 2: this morning, the Rams are plus six hundred, so the

1585
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 2: second shortest odds to win the Super Bowl for a

1586
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:56,600
Speaker 2: team that is likely to be a six seed. I

1587
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 2: think that illustrates how wide open things are, and really,

1588
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 2: like if you love value betting, there are years where

1589
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,879
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, it's nobody's ever.

1590
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:06,639
Speaker 3: Minus odds to win the Super Bowl.

1591
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:09,679
Speaker 2: Sometimes you'll find a team that's minus odds to get

1592
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 2: to the super Bowl. It's always a one seed because

1593
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:14,639
Speaker 2: they're the one that plays one fewer game. But you're

1594
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 2: gonna be able to talk yourself into the value on

1595
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 2: any number of teams to win the whole thing. And

1596
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 2: I think LA is still the best team. I think

1597
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 2: they're the most balanced team in the sport. Matthew Stafford,

1598
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:27,799
Speaker 2: I don't know if last night cost him an MVP,

1599
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 2: but for my money, should be MVP this year.

1600
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 3: But they're the sixth seed.

1601
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:35,680
Speaker 2: So we'll see fun game last night, fun weekend of

1602
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 2: NFL games, and whatever game you want to watch this weekend,

1603
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 2: whether it's one that doesn't matter all that much like

1604
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 2: Bengals Browns or the AFC North title tilt on Sunday,

1605
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 2: any of the games with postseason implications, you can watch

1606
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 2: them here at at Oakley Green's Danner was with us

1607
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 2: in the first hour. I don't I don't think you're

1608
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 2: I don't think you could accuse of being overly cautious

1609
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 2: if you suggest that Joe shouldn't play the game on Sunday.

1610
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 2: And like we've done this topic now for a while,

1611
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 2: because the Bengals have been playing out the string for

1612
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 2: a while now. Quite frankly, Joe came back and played

1613
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 2: on Thanksgiving night, and the Bengals were right to have

1614
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 2: him play the game. They were still in it, they

1615
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:25,559
Speaker 2: still had mathematically a chance. He worked his tail off

1616
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 2: to play. I would have had a hard time telling

1617
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, all right, all that's for naught, you're not

1618
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 2: going to play on Thanksgiving night.

1619
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 3: And you know, when they lost to the Patriots.

1620
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 2: The prior Sunday there were some who said, you know what,

1621
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 2: why even bother and you know, even to a degree,

1622
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 2: why why when they lost to the Bills, And all right, well,

1623
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 2: now there are chances which went from really really small

1624
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 2: to almost fractional. There's still a chance. Go ahead and

1625
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 2: play them against Baltimore. They lose that game, they had

1626
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 2: three more to go. I expected Joe b to play

1627
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 2: against the Dolphins. I would not have had a major

1628
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 2: issue with the Bengals not playing them against the Dolphins.

1629
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 2: But are right, fine, you're trying to be about the

1630
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 2: right things. Joe does want to play. There are three

1631
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 2: games to go, fine, even fine having him play against

1632
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 2: Drew Bees Arizona Cardinals. Having him play this game on

1633
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 2: Sunday is almost reckless. Let mean, just call it what

1634
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 2: it is like Bengals have a lot of work in

1635
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:29,520
Speaker 2: front of him this offseason.

1636
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 3: Right, But the.

1637
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 2: The overall directive is is not.

1638
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 3: An overly difficult one.

1639
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 2: Fix the defense like not an it's it's more nuanced

1640
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 2: than that. I get it. But you look at the team.

1641
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 2: If you're Duke Tobin, Duke Tobin's in an extraordinarily enviable

1642
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 2: spot relative to a lot of the people who have

1643
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 2: the same task, which is take a non playoff team

1644
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 2: and making a playoff team and maybe making a championship team.

1645
01:20:58,000 --> 01:20:59,640
Speaker 2: A lot of those teams have no idea who their

1646
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:01,720
Speaker 2: quarter is going to be. Some of those teams know

1647
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 2: who their quarterback is going to be, and they wish

1648
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 2: they could get one that's better, but they can't. Some

1649
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:08,759
Speaker 2: of them are gonna be drafting later than the Bengals

1650
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 2: will be. Some of them have salary cap issues that

1651
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:15,799
Speaker 2: are bigger and more difficult to navigate than the Bengals

1652
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 2: salary cap issues are going to be. Some of them

1653
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 2: have entire rosters that need work. Some of them have

1654
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 2: bad offenses and bad defenses. Tooke Tobin has a team

1655
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 2: or half of it is set, like it's an oversimplification,

1656
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 2: but half of the team is set. Arguably the best

1657
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 2: quarterback in the sport, the best do of wide receivers

1658
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:42,839
Speaker 2: perhaps in the sport, a terrific running back, good complimentary weapons,

1659
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:45,560
Speaker 2: solid offensive line.

1660
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 3: Like over here, you're set. Over here.

1661
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 2: You have all the work to do, and we're gonna

1662
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 2: talk about it a lot in the coming days and

1663
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 2: weeks about what the defensive overhaul should look like. To

1664
01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 2: me and Dana and I talked about this on his

1665
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 2: podcasts today. To me, those questions revolve around what do

1666
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 2: they do at linebacker? Are they gonna find players who

1667
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:14,719
Speaker 2: are just automatic, major established upgrades from Knight and Barrett Carter.

1668
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna cut either guy necessarily, but

1669
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 2: they gotta find players who are better.

1670
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:21,679
Speaker 3: Who do they find or.

1671
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 2: Do they decide to Hey, you know what, let's see

1672
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:26,679
Speaker 2: if those guys can benefit from the experience they gained

1673
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:28,800
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty twenty twenty five.

1674
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 3: We'll see.

1675
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:32,759
Speaker 2: But do you know how much more of this gets

1676
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 2: complicated if something happens to your meal ticket, Like we

1677
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 2: have seen Bengals seasons go up and smoke because of

1678
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 2: a Joe Burrow injury. We have dealt with off seasons

1679
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 2: that have been filled with uncertainty because Joe is coming

1680
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 2: back from an injury. We have watched Joe come back

1681
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 2: from injury and start the season and not look at

1682
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 2: his best because he wasn't quite where he needed to

1683
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:00,679
Speaker 2: be coming off off an injury.

1684
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 3: Why would you run that risk?

1685
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:06,600
Speaker 2: On Sunday, Yeah, Miles, Garrett's gonna try to break the

1686
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:09,559
Speaker 2: sack record and maybe that adds an element of danger,

1687
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:13,759
Speaker 2: like beating the Browns and sweeping the Browns this season

1688
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 2: would be fun?

1689
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 3: Is it worth it?

1690
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 2: Like even go back to Sunday, Joe played against the

1691
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 2: Cardinals and played well, like the offense was terrific. He

1692
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 2: took a couple of sacks late in the first half,

1693
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 2: and come on and be honest with me. You're holding

1694
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:30,719
Speaker 2: your breath. And you may do that in any game.

1695
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:32,559
Speaker 2: It's one thing to do it in a game that matters.

1696
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 2: It's something else to do it in a game like

1697
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 2: that one on Sunday. I even said before halftime, I

1698
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 2: put on social media like I'd reward Joe for his

1699
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 2: solid first half by letting him just watch the second

1700
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:44,600
Speaker 2: half like he is the meal ticket is he is

1701
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 2: the biggest and most important investment in the history of

1702
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:54,720
Speaker 2: Cincinnati sports. Why you subject him to whatever amount of hits, punishment,

1703
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 2: physical danger he'd be subjected to playing this game. I

1704
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 2: don't know, and means they lose to the Cleveland Browns

1705
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 2: and they lose to the Cleveland Browns, or if it

1706
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 2: means you know what, offensively, they're stuck in the mud. Okay,

1707
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 2: they're stuck in the mud offensively against the Cleveland Browns.

1708
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 2: Joe deserved earned the right to come back and play

1709
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 2: those games he came back and played in, but the

1710
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 2: Bengals have the right to tell him no. And he

1711
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:24,680
Speaker 2: came back and played well, showed the world who he is,

1712
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:27,920
Speaker 2: provided a glimpse into what this offense can look like

1713
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:30,680
Speaker 2: and to a degree, what the team can accomplish next

1714
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 2: year if they fix the other side of the ball.

1715
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 3: Can you imagine?

1716
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 2: Can you even imagine if we're talking on Monday, the

1717
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 2: first day of the offseason, and instead of wondering how

1718
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:45,719
Speaker 2: they fix the defense and talk about the different options

1719
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:48,680
Speaker 2: they may explore, should explore in free agency and in

1720
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 2: the draft, we're back to talking about Joe Burrow in

1721
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 2: an injury Like this is this is obvious, This is

1722
01:24:57,479 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 2: unbelievably obvious. As far as I'm concerned, you do not

1723
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 2: play Joe Burrow in this game.

1724
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 3: They will. I hope they run the ball every play.

1725
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:08,879
Speaker 2: I hope they haven't played a series, and then yankom

1726
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 2: like it's a preseason game, Like I doubt any of

1727
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 2: that stuff is gonna happen. I'm all for taking the

1728
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Speaker 2: most extreme measures to protect like all of the optimism

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Speaker 2: that summer feeling about the Bengals and the fact that,

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Speaker 2: you know what, if they could just get this thing

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01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:25,720
Speaker 2: done this offseason, they're good, like they have a lot

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Speaker 2: of work to do in Kansas City this offseason. It's

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01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 2: a roster that has holes. It's an offense that has

1734
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:34,120
Speaker 2: looked broken now for a while. That would be the

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Speaker 2: case if Patrick Mahomes wasn't hurt. But he is, and

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Speaker 2: maybe he comes back and he plays the first game

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Speaker 2: and he ends up being the best player in the

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01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 2: league again next year. Maybe, But do you want to

1739
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Speaker 2: confront the roster issues that are pretty significant and that

1740
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 2: must be addressed with a quarterback injury question looming over

1741
01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 2: them or without a quarterback question question looming over them?

1742
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Speaker 2: one of the co authors of the Stats and Scheme newsletter,

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Speaker 2: You know, there's lots of lots of things on the

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Speaker 2: internet right now, chat, GPT, things like that. There's only

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Speaker 2: one one of those vehicles that matters to me, and

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Speaker 2: that's sumer Brain at suomer sports dot com.

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Speaker 3: Sewan is with us now sewn. Happy New Year, Good afternoon,

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Speaker 3: what's going on?

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Speaker 6: No, happy almost New Year. I'm very excited for the

1772
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:39,640
Speaker 6: NFL playoffs. It's the best time of year, you know.

1773
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 6: I wish we were talking about Bengals games, but so

1774
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:44,320
Speaker 6: many fun things still going on in the NFL.

1775
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 2: Someone like yourself, when you're watching a game like Sunday

1776
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Speaker 2: Night between San Francisco and Chicago, what's that like?

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Speaker 6: I mean, oh man, it is ah, It's just it's

1778
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:58,800
Speaker 6: just a huge smile, just constantly like you're trying to

1779
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Speaker 6: pick up Okay, well, how are the forty nine ers

1780
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 6: attacking the Bears? How are the Bears attacking the forty

1781
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:05,439
Speaker 6: nine ers? And at a certain point, it's just like,

1782
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 6: oh wow, Rock Perdy just continues to like find ways

1783
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 6: outside of the pocket to make some of these plays,

1784
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 6: and it makes you want to adjusts, like well, what

1785
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 6: is your thinking of party?

1786
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:16,639
Speaker 10: Like can anyone stop the forty nine ers?

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Speaker 6: Like all these thoughts going through my head, like why

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01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 6: would you want to face this offense in the playoffs?

1789
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 10: You absolutely wouldn't.

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Speaker 6: And now we're so lucky that Saturday Night will get

1791
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:25,719
Speaker 6: forty nine or Seahawks.

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Speaker 10: I think it should have been the Sunday Night game.

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Speaker 6: But you know, I understand we have to support friends

1794
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:31,120
Speaker 6: in the AFC North.

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01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, those two teams should play like Sunday morning

1796
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Speaker 2: at ten o'clock. I want to see San Francisco in

1797
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:39,080
Speaker 2: Chicago rematch in the postseason.

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Speaker 6: Now, I mean that would be awesome, And we might

1799
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 6: get a few rematches in the postseason in the NFC,

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Speaker 6: Like we could get Chicago Green Bay early on.

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01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 10: We can get Los Angeles Philadelphia early on.

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01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 6: We could get San Francisco and Seattle playing again. So

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01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:56,799
Speaker 6: it's really like a funny playoffs. I know that everyone

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01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 6: says like, oh, it's the weirdest year ever. We don't

1805
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 6: have my homes Burrow, we might not have Jackson, but like, honestly, truly,

1806
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:06,720
Speaker 6: it is quite weird because I keep looking at well,

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01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 6: who if MO asked me, who's my favorite? I just

1808
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 6: have no idea, Like there's flaws in all of these teams,

1809
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:14,760
Speaker 6: there's great things in all of these teams. With that,

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01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 6: I think that should make everything more fun.

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Speaker 2: Well, I just I just said this the segment before

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Speaker 2: you came on. I still think the best team is

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01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 2: probably gonna be the sixth seed in the NFC.

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Speaker 6: It's crazy, right, And they just got like they got

1815
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 6: beat by the Falcons of all teams, and yes, you

1816
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:32,960
Speaker 6: have a nice comeback. You see them get back to

1817
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:35,680
Speaker 6: a competitive spot there. You obviously get that block, bill

1818
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Speaker 6: go or turn for a touchdown. Then they didn't have

1819
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:40,559
Speaker 6: Davante Adams, so that's a big thing. And then Matthew Stafford.

1820
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Speaker 6: You know, quarterbacks are gonna have a game like that.

1821
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Speaker 6: So I do also feel like, yeah, we probably should

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01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 6: look at them, but I get a little bit scared

1823
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:50,400
Speaker 6: just thinking about their defense. I think you can take

1824
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:52,519
Speaker 6: advantage of their cornerbacks.

1825
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:55,280
Speaker 10: On the outside. I mean, if I'm the Eagles and they.

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Speaker 6: Have to face the Rams in the first round, like,

1827
01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 6: that's not a matchup that you want to have. That's

1828
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:01,599
Speaker 6: the It's like a bummer where you'd be like, hey,

1829
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 6: we won the division and now we get the team

1830
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:04,880
Speaker 6: that everyone thinks is going to win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: I am going to ask you about the Bengals using

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Speaker 2: an offensive lineman as a wide receiver. We'll get to

1833
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Speaker 2: that in a second. But you mentioned the AFC North

1834
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 2: Championship game Baltimore and Pittsburgh, and unfortunately one of those

1835
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Speaker 2: teams has to win.

1836
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Speaker 3: Start with the Ravens.

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Speaker 2: For me, are they better off with Tyler Huntley at

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent as opposed to Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 3: If he's not one hundred.

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Speaker 6: Percent, I mean, I guess it depends how low below

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Speaker 6: one hundred percent we're talking about for Lamar.

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Speaker 10: I mean, I love they're better off with Lamar come

1843
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 10: and I think that even at.

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Speaker 6: A relatively low percent, you would still be better off

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Speaker 6: with Lamar, even just by his presence on some of

1846
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:42,040
Speaker 6: those run plays where you know a second set of

1847
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 6: eyes is going to just be held even longer than

1848
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 6: you would be with Tyler Huntley there. So you're hoping

1849
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Speaker 6: that Lamar is able to get in their healthy if

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Speaker 6: you're a Ravens man, I thought it was really nice

1851
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 6: just to see the Ravens really be able to just

1852
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 6: absolutely pound a team on the ground, really really take

1853
01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 6: advantage of the Packers, where Derrick Henry has had I

1854
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:01,640
Speaker 6: think some ups and down on this season, but you know,

1855
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 6: you open your eyes, you're at the end of the year,

1856
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 6: and he has like all.

1857
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:07,840
Speaker 10: These yards and all these touchdowns. So I feel like

1858
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 10: they're going to be able to do that again.

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01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 6: I think, maybe not to that level again, but still

1860
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 6: be able to run over the Steelers.

1861
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Speaker 2: So Pittsburgh's offense, right, Like, Aaron Rodgers is old, fine,

1862
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:21,760
Speaker 2: he's certainly capable of of his moments, but you're you're

1863
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 2: not gonna get vintage Aaron Rodgers. And they didn't have

1864
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 2: DK Metcalf on Sunday and won't have him for this

1865
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 2: game against Baltimore. But like when I watched the Steelers

1866
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 2: offensively it and it's been this way for a while,

1867
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:38,679
Speaker 2: there's something that's just broken. There's something that just feels

1868
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:43,519
Speaker 2: to me like it completely lacks imagination. Why do things

1869
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:46,680
Speaker 2: look that way on a consistent almost year and a

1870
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Speaker 2: year out basis with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 6: I think the Steelers are a case where they haven't

1872
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 6: had like an influx of new ideas kind of coming

1873
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:57,760
Speaker 6: in on a year to your basis where you hope

1874
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:00,599
Speaker 6: you're able to refresh, get some more people in there,

1875
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:01,519
Speaker 6: get different ideas.

1876
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:04,679
Speaker 10: You're changing certain things offense to adjust to your players.

1877
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Speaker 6: And I do think that you know, at this point

1878
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:09,640
Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers' career, you can look at his time to

1879
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 6: throw is extremely low, like he wants to get rid

1880
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:14,719
Speaker 6: of that ball really really quick, and that's gonna naturally

1881
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 6: limit some of the things that you can do as

1882
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:19,800
Speaker 6: an offense. So it just feels like there's a little

1883
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:21,800
Speaker 6: bit of an ellenis there's a little bit of hey,

1884
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 6: we're not gonna be able to extend in the pocket.

1885
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:26,599
Speaker 6: We're not gonna be able to move the pocket as much.

1886
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:28,280
Speaker 6: I will say they were able to get the running

1887
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:30,360
Speaker 6: game going at least a little bit two weeks ago,

1888
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:33,240
Speaker 6: but I mean fourth down against the Brown that was

1889
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:35,519
Speaker 6: like not a situation that you feel particularly good about

1890
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 6: your offense. So I mean, if they find their way

1891
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,360
Speaker 6: into the playoffs, I think whoever pieces them on the

1892
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:43,559
Speaker 6: AFC side, it should feel like pretty decent. Even when

1893
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 6: you're going into Pittsburgh if they're the division champ.

1894
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 2: Were you pro going for too late in the game

1895
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 2: in Buffalo or play for ot This.

1896
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:53,240
Speaker 10: Is a great question.

1897
01:32:53,320 --> 01:32:56,960
Speaker 6: So I think that they didn't feel good about their kicker.

1898
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:58,000
Speaker 10: They cut their kicker.

1899
01:32:58,240 --> 01:33:00,160
Speaker 6: I think the next day just about like our, well,

1900
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:00,960
Speaker 6: you've had one block.

1901
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 10: So that's the situation there.

1902
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 6: I think if the Bills played them in overtime, I

1903
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 6: would have felt quite good about that because the Eagles

1904
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 6: offense was just lesson zero, like a litterle negative in

1905
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 6: the entire second half, and the Bills offense was able

1906
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:17,639
Speaker 6: to get things going, So I guess I don't have

1907
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:19,400
Speaker 6: too much of a problem though, because I like the

1908
01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:20,080
Speaker 6: aggressive push.

1909
01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:21,759
Speaker 10: I'm not gonna blame someone for being aggressive.

1910
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:23,920
Speaker 6: You already had a kick block and there was a

1911
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:25,559
Speaker 6: wide open receiver in the back of the end zone.

1912
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 3: It just ended up.

1913
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 10: I mean, I'm sure Josh Allen is still kicking him

1914
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:30,640
Speaker 10: off about missing that throw, so I'm okay with that.

1915
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 6: But it wouldn't have been a situation where I was like,

1916
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:34,320
Speaker 6: oh man, you had to go for two moments and

1917
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 6: this month and then I think you could have beat

1918
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:36,639
Speaker 6: them in overtime.

1919
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:38,439
Speaker 10: But I mean, at the end of the day, a

1920
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:39,920
Speaker 10: guy is a wide open You have.

1921
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:42,160
Speaker 6: A perfect design in the back of the end Unfortunately

1922
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:43,559
Speaker 6: you're not able to connect with it there.

1923
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Speaker 2: Sean Saide is with the Stats and Scheme newsletters. Subscribe

1924
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Speaker 2: at Summer Sports dot com. The NFL is a copycat league.

1925
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:53,320
Speaker 2: People say, so, do you think there's gonna be a

1926
01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:55,720
Speaker 2: lot of teams moving forward who decide they're gonna take

1927
01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:58,840
Speaker 2: like their seventh offensive linemen and line them up wide

1928
01:33:58,880 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 2: like the Bengals.

1929
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:05,200
Speaker 6: Well, Cody Ford, his catch was so nice, Like, yeah,

1930
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Speaker 6: people play multiple teams there.

1931
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Speaker 10: It's so impressive.

1932
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Speaker 6: Like you put an offensive lineman on the field a

1933
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 6: sixth one, right, you're trying to get make it feel like, hey,

1934
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:16,160
Speaker 6: the defense needs to be heavy, We're just gonna run inside.

1935
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Speaker 10: You put him outside there. I mean, it's like, what

1936
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:19,040
Speaker 10: thirty to seven.

1937
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Speaker 3: At that point.

1938
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Speaker 10: Kind of later on in that third quarter, it was

1939
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:22,400
Speaker 10: inspired work.

1940
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:24,679
Speaker 6: I can't burrow through them the ball like I figured

1941
01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:26,240
Speaker 6: Burrow would have thrown the ball into the stands and

1942
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:28,080
Speaker 6: been like all right, like we just put it out there,

1943
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Speaker 6: guess for the spacing of the concept.

1944
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Speaker 10: So I like doing that.

1945
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Speaker 6: You know, you have a little fun late in this season.

1946
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:36,479
Speaker 6: And Cody Ford, I hope that that ball.

1947
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 10: Ends up in his locker room. Let's frame it, let's

1948
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Speaker 10: keep it in his house forever.

1949
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Speaker 6: A beautiful play and again an impressive, impressive catch.

1950
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Speaker 2: No doubt we have after this week, the thirteen games

1951
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Speaker 2: that matter the most. This is when people need to

1952
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Speaker 2: subscribe to these stats and scheme newsletter.

1953
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Speaker 10: No.

1954
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Speaker 6: I think that it's gonna be a lot of fun

1955
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:56,200
Speaker 6: breaking down these teams in the playoffs. You're gonna get

1956
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Speaker 6: all the information about every single team, every single matchup, really,

1957
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:02,599
Speaker 6: really good regular stuff like, oh, when the Bills run

1958
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Speaker 6: to the left, this is what they're backstadt and those

1959
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:06,680
Speaker 6: kinds of things where you can help me. Maybe you

1960
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:08,479
Speaker 6: get a little bit of an edge of you if

1961
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Speaker 6: you're in fantasy, if you're doing something about wagering, potentially enough,

1962
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Speaker 6: I wouldn't ye might here that, But just a lot

1963
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Speaker 6: of the different data and information that you can use

1964
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Speaker 6: kind of just give yourself a more ball rounded view

1965
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Speaker 6: of a particular matchup.

1966
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Speaker 2: Uh, you're the man. I'll bother you next week. Thank

1967
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Speaker 2: you as always, Happy New Year.

1968
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Speaker 10: Thanks so much for happening to hear.

1969
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Speaker 2: That's our guy, Sean sayed Summer Sports dot Com. Subscribe

1970
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1972
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1982
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Speaker 5: in Ohio and westbound two seventy five at Winton Road.

1983
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Speaker 5: It's debris in the center lane that e'slic with traffic.

1984
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Speaker 1: This report is sponsored byce.

1985
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Speaker 2: ARLEYE Crue because we didn't go to every road game.

1986
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Speaker 2: By the way, it's eighteen forty six. This is ESPN

1987
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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty.

1988
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Speaker 3: Were a little short on time I was gonna play this.

1989
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:46,040
Speaker 3: John Caliperry audio.

1990
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Speaker 2: Well, he basically says there needs to be rules in

1991
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Speaker 2: college basketball. He's not wrong.

1992
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:51,880
Speaker 3: Good luck and forcing him.

1993
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Speaker 2: Uh, nobody covers the Bengals like ESPN fifteen thirty. Is

1994
01:36:55,840 --> 01:37:00,280
Speaker 2: something we say, But we didn't go to every road

1995
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:02,799
Speaker 2: game the way Michael Turner did. Michael Turner is playing

1996
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:06,160
Speaker 2: this weekend at Go Bananas. He has wound up. He's

1997
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:08,320
Speaker 2: a stand up comedian who's a Bengals fan. He has

1998
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:12,559
Speaker 2: finished up his Road Warrior tour where he's he's he's

1999
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:16,640
Speaker 2: performed in every city the Bengals have played, and so like.

2000
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:19,480
Speaker 2: For instance, and this this is probably not the most

2001
01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:21,800
Speaker 2: advanced concept that I have to explain, but like when

2002
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:25,439
Speaker 2: they played the Vikings in Minneapolis, Michael Turner was there performing,

2003
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 2: checking out tailgates that sort of stuff. So you know,

2004
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Speaker 2: he's been there for this entire awesome season and he's

2005
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Speaker 2: with us.

2006
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Speaker 3: Now, Michael, how you doing.

2007
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:37,560
Speaker 11: I'm good, and I'll correct you on awesome season. I

2008
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 11: don't know if I'd go that far, but it was

2009
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:40,040
Speaker 11: a season.

2010
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Speaker 12: And I would deal with you.

2011
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Speaker 11: Ennisode out the gate forty I think I left it

2012
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Speaker 11: forty eight to three.

2013
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Speaker 12: I think I left that one.

2014
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.

2015
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Speaker 2: I know people who were at that game who were

2016
01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:56,000
Speaker 2: on a plane back to Cincinnati by the time it

2017
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Speaker 2: ended after changing their flight.

2018
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Speaker 3: So tough one, I know.

2019
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Speaker 11: Yeah, But yeah, Man, appreciate you having me on Man.

2020
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Speaker 11: Been a fan for years. I've been listening to you forever.

2021
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 3: So well, that's that's way too kind. So this is

2022
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:09,240
Speaker 3: the correct me If I'm wrong.

2023
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:11,040
Speaker 2: This is the third year you've done this where you've

2024
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:13,840
Speaker 2: gone to play at a venue in every city the

2025
01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:14,479
Speaker 2: Bengals are in.

2026
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Speaker 12: One hundred percent. Yeah, I've been doing it three years.

2027
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Speaker 11: I've gone to every single road game that the syciety

2028
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:21,599
Speaker 11: Bengals will played that does a show the night before.

2029
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:23,800
Speaker 11: Like you explained, I go to hit the tailgate, mess

2030
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:25,759
Speaker 11: with the fans, and then I go to the game

2031
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:27,599
Speaker 11: and people always like, oh, that's so cool. You get

2032
01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:29,080
Speaker 11: to go to all the games. It's like, look, man,

2033
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Speaker 11: the worst part of my weekend is usually the three

2034
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:35,719
Speaker 11: and a half hour window that is the game, because

2035
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:37,599
Speaker 11: people are coming to be the last three years.

2036
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:38,479
Speaker 12: They're like, yo, you.

2037
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:42,040
Speaker 11: Started this and it hasn't gone well the last three seasons.

2038
01:38:42,439 --> 01:38:45,080
Speaker 11: And then yeah, it's fair. I started three years ago.

2039
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:47,719
Speaker 11: Burrow got injured the first year, the second year, Burrow

2040
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:51,200
Speaker 11: is healthy, nine and eight. This year, obviously, Burrow injury again,

2041
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:54,400
Speaker 11: and we're looking, we're hoping for seven and ten and

2042
01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:55,639
Speaker 11: they're like, this might.

2043
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:58,000
Speaker 12: Be your fault, and I'm like, I'm thirty nine years old.

2044
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:01,400
Speaker 11: The Bengals have been bad for way longer.

2045
01:39:01,120 --> 01:39:03,280
Speaker 12: Than the last three years, Bud. Don't come at me

2046
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:03,559
Speaker 12: with that.

2047
01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:07,920
Speaker 2: When when you perform in cities where the Bengals are

2048
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:09,800
Speaker 2: about to play, do you tell people that you're a

2049
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:10,479
Speaker 2: Bengals fan?

2050
01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:12,360
Speaker 3: Oh?

2051
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:13,840
Speaker 12: I mean yeah, I live that life.

2052
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:16,040
Speaker 11: We got to say it with our chess, you know,

2053
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:18,559
Speaker 11: and and and you know what the thing is, if

2054
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:20,800
Speaker 11: we don't have I think, you know as much as

2055
01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:23,640
Speaker 11: anybody being around Bengals fans as much as if we

2056
01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:24,599
Speaker 11: can't laugh at it.

2057
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:27,160
Speaker 12: We'll cry. So like, yeah, we all are.

2058
01:39:27,479 --> 01:39:31,479
Speaker 11: We could be self deprecating, like more so than when

2059
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:33,160
Speaker 11: I go to the brown the Browns will be like

2060
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:35,519
Speaker 11: two and six and still be confidence, like we know

2061
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:37,840
Speaker 11: how to be two and six in Cincinnati.

2062
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:41,040
Speaker 12: And uh, we don't have that. We have that humbleness.

2063
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:41,639
Speaker 12: So it's fun.

2064
01:39:41,680 --> 01:39:45,000
Speaker 11: And you know that's probably why I create humor because

2065
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:47,479
Speaker 11: I was born in nineteen eighty six, so it's been

2066
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:50,000
Speaker 11: bad most of my life.

2067
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:53,760
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, well, I mean I'm older, so like

2068
01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:56,800
Speaker 2: my memories of like the nineties are maybe a little

2069
01:39:56,800 --> 01:39:59,639
Speaker 2: bit more crystallized than you. So like I at Lisha

2070
01:40:00,120 --> 01:40:01,760
Speaker 2: to like suffer through that the way the way that

2071
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:05,639
Speaker 2: I did. Of the cities you performed in the last

2072
01:40:05,680 --> 01:40:08,080
Speaker 2: three years, so a lot of NFL cities obviously you know,

2073
01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:10,680
Speaker 2: some repeats AFC nor that sort of thing. Which are

2074
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:12,760
Speaker 2: your favorites? Sure to just go for the for the

2075
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:14,240
Speaker 2: football experience.

2076
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Speaker 11: You know, you know what, all the football experience, one

2077
01:40:17,200 --> 01:40:21,559
Speaker 11: under the best experience is Green Bay. It's just so,

2078
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:24,280
Speaker 11: it's just so, I don't know, like people.

2079
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:26,000
Speaker 12: Can tell you how cool it is and.

2080
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:27,600
Speaker 11: Then you're like, ah, whatever, you roll your eyes, and

2081
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:28,519
Speaker 11: then you show up and you're.

2082
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:30,160
Speaker 12: Like, man, this is this is great.

2083
01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:33,120
Speaker 11: And I've been lucky enough to have some good connections

2084
01:40:33,120 --> 01:40:35,000
Speaker 11: that I went for the NFL Draft, made some connections,

2085
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:35,880
Speaker 11: and then this year in.

2086
01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:39,520
Speaker 12: Green Bay was really cool. Regardless of the score. Buffalo

2087
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:40,519
Speaker 12: is awesome.

2088
01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:44,160
Speaker 11: Those ones that are just like their They're stadiums in

2089
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:49,719
Speaker 11: neighborhoods with people that are highly functioning alcoholics, and uh, they.

2090
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:52,360
Speaker 12: Get good fried food. When you lose in these cities,

2091
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:54,479
Speaker 12: you get to eat poorly and drink good beer.

2092
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:56,680
Speaker 11: Like that's what you really want for the experience, right

2093
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:59,720
Speaker 11: if you lose, can I get drunk and eat bad

2094
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:02,360
Speaker 11: food and feel better? And that's what Buffalo and Green

2095
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:04,040
Speaker 11: Bay have that in Spade.

2096
01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:06,400
Speaker 2: You know, I pretty much wake up every day and

2097
01:41:06,479 --> 01:41:09,000
Speaker 2: ask myself that question whether or not the Bengals are playing,

2098
01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:10,240
Speaker 2: So that that sounds like a good.

2099
01:41:10,200 --> 01:41:15,599
Speaker 12: Roadmap for life exactly. I will say to give credit where.

2100
01:41:15,479 --> 01:41:18,640
Speaker 11: To I grew up obviously always hating the city of Pittsburgh.

2101
01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:21,680
Speaker 11: Now that I go there once a year, it is

2102
01:41:22,439 --> 01:41:25,320
Speaker 11: people say, like, you know, we hate Pittsburgh. Obviously through

2103
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:28,120
Speaker 11: the division I work. It's the same city as Cincinnati

2104
01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:30,840
Speaker 11: in a lot of positive ways. Once you get in there,

2105
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:34,599
Speaker 11: they're good people. They you know, we can have our hate, and.

2106
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 12: I still definitely have that that hate for the team.

2107
01:41:37,960 --> 01:41:39,439
Speaker 11: But the more I go there, the more I'm like,

2108
01:41:40,200 --> 01:41:42,559
Speaker 11: it's kind of life Cincy in a positive way.

2109
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:46,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know, whenever, like you go to Pittsburgh

2110
01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:48,320
Speaker 2: and you come back and you tell people how you like,

2111
01:41:48,360 --> 01:41:51,000
Speaker 2: you have to apologize for having a good time because

2112
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:54,400
Speaker 2: I've actually, aside from being sporting events, I've never had

2113
01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:55,479
Speaker 2: a bad time there.

2114
01:41:57,320 --> 01:41:58,719
Speaker 12: That I can't wait for the draft.

2115
01:41:58,760 --> 01:42:00,360
Speaker 11: I'll go for the draft and have a great time

2116
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:03,280
Speaker 11: and and it's great when we win, and when we

2117
01:42:03,320 --> 01:42:06,160
Speaker 11: lose it's annoying. But like you know, I don't know,

2118
01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:09,360
Speaker 11: they're softer fans, and we want to expect to a

2119
01:42:09,400 --> 01:42:11,799
Speaker 11: lot of the hardcore fans are now in their fifties

2120
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:13,680
Speaker 11: and sixties, they're not They don't they don't swing with

2121
01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:14,759
Speaker 11: the same punch anymore.

2122
01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:18,479
Speaker 2: So you know, yeah, I still hope their team loses

2123
01:42:18,520 --> 01:42:22,200
Speaker 2: by a thousand points on Sunday. You are performing this

2124
01:42:22,280 --> 01:42:23,920
Speaker 2: weekend and Copenhatta is correct.

2125
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:27,799
Speaker 11: Yes, Yes, I will be at Gobinetta's this weekend.

2126
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:29,520
Speaker 12: I booked it earlier.

2127
01:42:29,240 --> 01:42:32,880
Speaker 11: In the season, optimistic on a nice Borough run didn't happen.

2128
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:34,000
Speaker 12: I was thinking maybe.

2129
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:36,679
Speaker 11: We'd be playing for a playoff spot did not go down.

2130
01:42:36,720 --> 01:42:38,719
Speaker 11: Shout out to the Jets, shot for the Bears, shots

2131
01:42:38,760 --> 01:42:42,439
Speaker 11: for the Bills. But but I will be there and

2132
01:42:42,479 --> 01:42:44,600
Speaker 11: it'll be fun, and we will be on stage, and

2133
01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:48,080
Speaker 11: I'll be I make jokes about our our sports teams

2134
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:51,160
Speaker 11: quite a bit, and it'll be fun and we'll we'll

2135
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:53,519
Speaker 11: crack some jokes with this team that has treated us

2136
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:54,519
Speaker 11: so poorly this season.

2137
01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:57,960
Speaker 2: Friday and Saturday, and correct me if I'm wrong. Two

2138
01:42:58,040 --> 01:42:59,439
Speaker 2: shows per night, right.

2139
01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:03,000
Speaker 11: Yep, Two shows seven thirty nine forty five, both nights

2140
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:05,920
Speaker 11: Friday and Saturday. If you've never seen me live, you've

2141
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:09,080
Speaker 11: probably seen my reels on your Instagram or on your Facebook,

2142
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:12,120
Speaker 11: and uh, it's it's time to finally come see me live.

2143
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:14,360
Speaker 11: It's a good time and I'm a good Cincinnati boy

2144
01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:15,479
Speaker 11: coming home doing the right thing.

2145
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:16,760
Speaker 12: So y'all should appreciate that.

2146
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:20,280
Speaker 2: All right, when when you have time at some point

2147
01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:22,840
Speaker 2: and maybe things slowed down when the season ends, you

2148
01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:24,400
Speaker 2: got to come like hang out in studio.

2149
01:43:24,439 --> 01:43:31,599
Speaker 11: Okay, one hundred and I am an adamant Reds Bearcats.

2150
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:34,520
Speaker 11: I would I didn't attend another university, but still Bearcats

2151
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:37,360
Speaker 11: basketball means a lot to me. Bearcats, Reds Bangles. So

2152
01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:40,320
Speaker 11: any any sports season, I'm down to talking up.

2153
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:43,160
Speaker 2: You can, uh, you can follow the Reds around this

2154
01:43:43,240 --> 01:43:45,960
Speaker 2: year and play like eighty one road nights.

2155
01:43:47,880 --> 01:43:50,160
Speaker 12: I don't don't tease me. Really a good time.

2156
01:43:50,160 --> 01:43:54,600
Speaker 11: I'm going to Pittsburgh, Milwaukee, Chicago already, so I'll be

2157
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:57,280
Speaker 11: popping around. I love combining the thing I love with

2158
01:43:57,360 --> 01:44:01,760
Speaker 11: the thing with comedy. So unfortunately the thing I love

2159
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Speaker 11: most of Cincinnati sports, but luckily I know how to

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Speaker 11: laugh at it.

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Speaker 2: So you know, we're we're pretty similar in that regard.

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Speaker 2: You're just much funnier. All right, Well, let's let's make

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Speaker 2: that happen. Come visiting studio and we'll talk sports and

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Speaker 2: laugh and stuff.

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Speaker 3: Thanks man, enjoy.

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Speaker 12: Good, appreciate you men. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Moe. You got it.

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Speaker 2: That's Michael Turner and went to every Bengals game performed

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Speaker 2: in every city the Bengals are playing in the night before,

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Speaker 2: done that each of the last three years. We are

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Speaker 2: done Tomorrow, Chad Brenda on tomorrow. I'm not back Monday.

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Speaker 2: Have a great evening, have a great New Year's Thanks

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Speaker 2: to Tarren Bland for producing and ken Wood. Thanks to

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Speaker 2: Drew Wester Heidi new Arizona Cardinals fan for producing on site,

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Speaker 2: and the staff here at Oakley Greens as well for

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Speaker 2: having us all season long.

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Speaker 3: We're done.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy the rest of twenty twenty five. This is ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 1: Station Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 5: UCHealth dot com. In Ohio, northbound seventy one, there's an

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Speaker 5: accident onto the right shoulder between Feiffer Road and two

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Speaker 5: seventy five, a minute or two worth of delays, and

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Speaker 5: another crash on Montana Avenue at Anaconda Drive. I'm at

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Speaker 5: Ezelic with traffic.

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