1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: Man joined Meat Sauce at Miller Lite Dave's Town Club 2 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: in del No tonight from five to seven. Stop by 3 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: for drink specials, games and register for a chance to 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: win a spot in the Vikings Foundation Golf Tournament. Get 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: the full details now at KFA n dot com. Keyword 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: golf our number two of the program I mentioned Russo 7 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: will join Our first visit with Russo since. 8 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: Well, last time we had him on was before he 9 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,319 Speaker 2: left for Italy. Correct, Yes, we did not have him 10 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 2: on from it from Italy at all. So we'll give 11 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 2: him some grief for that, and then we'll chat with 12 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: him and then we'll let bygones be bygones at some point. 13 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 3: So he's gonna be at five inbox Email. 14 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: Guards e JG at KFA dot com Doctor Dan's inbox. 15 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: If that tickles your fan, Antley fancy, you can certainly 16 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 2: be try to be a part of that sort of conversation. 17 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 3: Where was I going to go? We did the seal 18 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 3: of approve? 19 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: Oh, so yesterday we did start the show trying. We 20 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 2: try hard on this show to to continue to shock 21 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: Jock our way to getting Aaron Rodgers in Minnesota. 22 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 3: We don't know if it's headed anywhere. 23 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 2: We have no idea whether the Vikings have any interest 24 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 2: in doing it, but we were playing off of some 25 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 2: reporting by the highly respected Adam Schefter that he does 26 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: believe Rogers. He did all the asterisks right, all the disclaimers. 27 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: A Rodgers is capable of, you know, doing a one 28 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: to eighty in any at any minute. So he could 29 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: announce tomorrow that he's going to retire, but that the 30 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: Schefter reporting indicates a belief that he's going to play 31 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: another year, is likely to play another year. But he 32 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: also through but that the assumption that it's got to 33 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: be Pittsburgh, he didn't necessarily buy, said that would be 34 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 2: what you seem to think the likely return for him. 35 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 2: But then he reminded folks of what we reported a 36 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: lot on this show a year ago, that a lot 37 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: of people didn't want to believe a lot of them 38 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: mc bobo's didn't want to believe if it was true 39 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 2: the Vikings had interest in Rogers, and more importantly, Rogers 40 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 2: had even more interest in the Purple We all know. 41 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: Ultimately no deal was done, no deal was struck, but 42 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 2: he reminded people that and said, look, the Vikings might 43 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 2: be in a different situation this year, it's very clear 44 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: at the very least they are less concerned about hurting 45 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy's feelings. So does that potentially open the door? 46 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 3: Maybe not. 47 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 2: Maybe they look at the cold hard reality of where 48 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 2: Rogers is and says maybe three years ago, yeah, but 49 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 2: now we're just it's a pipe dream. It's not worth 50 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: even investing in. Who knows where it goes. But we 51 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: were trying to keep hope a lot, keep the dream 52 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 2: alive in this case, that perhaps something would happen, even 53 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: suggesting that the old Carrol King song it's too late 54 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: might not apply here, that it might not be too 55 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: late to get a rog here. Well, guards he gets 56 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: a hold of audio I believe from this morning involving 57 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 2: another quarterback whisperer named Dan Orlovsky, front and center, very 58 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: high profile when it comes to NFL analysis and quarterback 59 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: analysis at the four Letter Network, right AESPN, Yes, And 60 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: I guess that might have been must have been the 61 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: subject at hand. What should the Vikings do, given they've 62 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: certainly opened the door to adding a veteran quarterback to 63 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: either compete for the job or to actually just get 64 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: the job. So you're gonna hear on this panel, it's Greenie. Yep, 65 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: it's Orlovsky. And who is the third individual, Harry Douglas. 66 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: Terry Duggery was former NFL Harry's on a lot who Yeah, 67 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: he gets in a couple of comments, but it's mainly Orlofsky. 68 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: Let's listen to what Orlovsky had to say this morning. 69 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 3: To bring in a chat, you bring in it. 70 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 4: But my point is you bring in Aaron Rodgers, you're 71 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 4: basically moving on from JJ McCarthy. That's where Minnesota has 72 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 4: to have the mindset. Last year I was anti that. 73 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 3: Last year. I was the person to say Nope, no Aaron. 74 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 4: Rodgers to Minnesota because JJ McCarthy it would stunt his growth, 75 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 4: it would stunt his development. Again, I'm a supporter of JJ. 76 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 4: If you're in Minnesota, you have to be thinking of 77 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 4: who is the best quarterback for us available right now 78 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 4: and go get him. Kevin O'Connell is a great coach. 79 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 4: The NFL doesn't care about what you did two years ago. 80 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 4: If you have another bad year, you're gonna be on 81 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 4: that hot seat all a sudden, and then you're in 82 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 4: that same situation. So as much as I worry about 83 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 4: the stunting of the growth. Nope. If Aaron Rodgers wants 84 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 4: to go to Minnesota, and if I'm Minnesota, go get 85 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers. 86 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 3: What do you think? 87 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 5: Well, Number one, my mindset is this team is a 88 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 5: win now mode. Right, they don't have time to be 89 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 5: waiting on Jajon McCarthy. But if you have a Justin Jefferson, 90 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 5: who I still feel like is the best receiver of 91 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 5: the game, you have a solid number two in Jordan 92 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 5: Addison TJ. Howkinson, Well you need a piece of the 93 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 5: puzzle that gets those guys the football. 94 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 3: Is Aaron Rodgers that piece, Yes, he is, or you 95 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 3: could be Kirk Cousins. 96 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 4: The totem pole should be Aaron Rodgers, Kirk Cousins, Kyler Murray. 97 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 4: That should be the agree with that the order for 98 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 4: the Minnesota Vikings. Aaron Rodgers still capable of playing good football, 99 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins I thought played good football when he started 100 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 4: last year. And then Kyler Murray is still so talented 101 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 4: that if you don't get one of those two, he's the. 102 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 3: Guy interesting on the totem poles. 103 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, he clearly well, it seems he clearly has 104 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 2: a roje over Cousins. In that sense, and I guess 105 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 2: he's not including maybe he's got he would have Derek 106 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: Carr four or five. I don't know where Derek Carr 107 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 2: would fit in. There's nothing official yet on Derek Carle, 108 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: and I think he has said pretty much said yeah, 109 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 2: I would to come back if the situation were correct. 110 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 2: So I just throw that into the mix. You know, 111 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 2: we're just our job is to follow the story. And 112 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 2: I did think it was interesting that Arlovsky went down 113 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 2: that road that would seem to indicate or a lot. 114 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:21,559 Speaker 2: Arlovsky's belief is there's still enough good in his game. 115 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 3: Part of I think the tricky part is. 116 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: Trying to evaluate offensive talent here and what impact it 117 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 2: might have on getting more out of Rogers than the 118 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 2: Steelers did last year, because I do think there's more 119 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: talent here now. On the other hand, you could say, Dan, 120 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 2: what about the offensive line is that talented now? The 121 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 2: answer is probably not other than the tackles. 122 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 3: Right. There's still questions. 123 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 2: That we we're probably going to need another center, right, 124 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 2: and there's even question of it at least one guard position. 125 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 3: So that has to be I guess part of it. 126 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 2: When we talk about talent and can he fix the 127 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 2: offensive line enough. Given that Rogers cannot move the way 128 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: he used to. He cannot he is a candidate to 129 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 2: get sacked five times in every game because his mobility 130 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 2: we see, we saw it when we played him, is 131 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 2: limited compared to what it once was. But Orlowski is 132 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: just a guy. I respect that He's not the last word. 133 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 2: But I thought it was interesting that he seen to 134 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: be going down that road as well. Whether the Vikings 135 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 2: will or not probably still a long shot. But I've 136 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: learned before all bets. I think this year, more than 137 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 2: last year, all bets are off and and and because 138 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 2: they're coming at it clearly from a different perspective than 139 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: they did a year ago. 140 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 3: I think they were haughty a year ago. 141 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 2: I agree with you, they had that arrogance on we 142 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: know we're doing we can we the whisper, Yes we 143 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 2: we we can plug him in and you're going to 144 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: be surprised how well he does even in the first 145 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: or seventh second month of have some hiccups and so 146 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: ups and downs, but we'll be fine because we got 147 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: this great infrastructure around him. So I think they're in 148 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 2: a comply I think they've been humbled and and I 149 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 2: think opens the door to anything, including the possibility that 150 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 2: you could make a mistake doing it right. 151 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 3: It could end up, it could end up, you know, 152 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 3: biting you in the butt. It really can. 153 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 2: There's no guarantee if you decide to go down that road, 154 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: other than if you decide to go down that road, 155 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 2: it's I don't know if it's over for McCarthy. 156 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: But and Arlotsky said it was not necessarily say I 157 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: don't know if that was in that clip, but because 158 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: I watched most of that today, he did say, doesn't 159 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: mean that I'm giving up on him. I still think 160 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: he's got some talent and I still think it. And honestly, 161 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: you look at the guy that just preceded him, Sam 162 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: Darnold and others as exhibits for Geno Smith, like, we 163 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: give up on these guys now at our own perils. 164 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 3: So he brought that up. 165 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: But it is interesting that everybody agrees the mood is 166 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: definitely shifted, even Koss saying our timetable is different. Now, 167 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: that's saying what Harry Douglas said. We're trying to win. 168 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: We're trying to win big time now. We're not in 169 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 1: the development mode right now, and thought we could do 170 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: both of them. 171 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 3: We couldn't. That's true. 172 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 2: The question is whether they're still kidding themselves that they're 173 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 2: capable of doing it. That's where it could end up 174 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: really imploding. You know where you go, Yeah, just not 175 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: that good and now you're now where are you? 176 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 3: But we'll see. I mean they're but. 177 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: They're clearly and I think again part of where they're 178 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: stuck is these owners don't want to hear that right. 179 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 2: And in the end, they're gonna, you know, they're they're 180 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 2: going to basically name the tune right and everybody else 181 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 2: has to dance to it. That's the way it works, 182 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: for better for worse. It's not always the best, and 183 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:34,359 Speaker 2: like you said, it could implode. 184 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: And that's the situation you put yourself in when you 185 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: make the bet on a young quarterback and it doesn't 186 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 1: work out. That's why everybody's always trying to find their 187 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: franchise guy, because when you don't have one, and you're 188 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 1: not either kidding yourself or developing one along the way, 189 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: it gets scary real quick because there's not a lot 190 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: of people looking to get rid of franchise quarterbacks except 191 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: I guess the Vikings. A year ago when Sam Darnold 192 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: when they let say, Darnold wak and you won a 193 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: Super Bowl the next year. Those guys just don't come 194 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: available very often. All right, we're late, we'll get a 195 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: shorty come well. Actually we can go to forty two 196 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: because we're wide open this hour right till rus yep 197 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: till five o'clock. Maybe when we come back, we'll discuss 198 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: a little bit about what stood out for you with 199 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: our during our conversation with Bill garn while back in 200 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: action tonight on the fan against the lanch. Right, a 201 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: great opportunity to you know, declare once again new sheriff 202 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: in town. Who's to say get and get you know, 203 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: hit the ground running here right for the so called 204 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: second half of the season. I've got a couple of 205 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: a section items I want to discuss as well, and 206 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: as I mentioned, we'll prepare for Russo and the inbox. 207 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: Still time to email guards EJG at Cafe dot com 208 00:10:49,240 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: with your doctor Dan letters. All right, let me get 209 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: into a fairly serious subject here that I'd been meaning 210 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: to discuss a little more detail the last several days, 211 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: and we really didn't get to it much with our 212 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: two reporters who cover the Vikings in much detail, at 213 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: least Kevin Seffert, who I think joined on Tuesday, and 214 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: then it was Alec Lewis yesterday, both from the combine. 215 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:54,599 Speaker 1: The story breaks over the weekend that Vikings receiver. He 216 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: had at least been receiver for the Vikings last year. 217 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: Rondell Moore had died at the age of twenty five 218 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: years old, and according to local authorities in the Louisville, 219 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: Kentucky area, the belief is that he died from a 220 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: self inflicted gunshot wound. 221 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 3: Correct more. 222 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 2: I can still remember when we first found out that 223 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 2: the Vikings had signed him, and I think what we 224 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 2: said was. 225 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 3: Low risk, high reward. Right, he'd been injured a lot, but. 226 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: He's always had this intriguing talent, right, A guy who 227 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 2: could make people at college. Was a dominant college player 228 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 2: right when healthy, could make people miss return guy, multipurpose 229 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 2: kind of a guy, not very big, right, but a 230 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 2: guy you go as a specialty player. He could help 231 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 2: if he can stay healthy. 232 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 3: And what happened. 233 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 2: He gets hurt the first time he returns a kickoff 234 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 2: in a preseason game. This was it in Minneapolis? Was 235 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 2: it was here the People Stadium? And there was a 236 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 2: lot of discussion at the time that you could hear 237 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:07,359 Speaker 2: his frustration. 238 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 3: It was a really tough scene. 239 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 2: It was a terrible scene. And the question at the 240 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 2: time also was whether it was an illegal tackle. I 241 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 2: think technically it wasn't, but that was the conversation, but 242 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 2: it was immediately it was a bad acl and he was. 243 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 3: Out for the season at that point. 244 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 2: So he's in rehab mode, has been in rehab mode, 245 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 2: and I mentioned to you I think might have been 246 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 2: Monday Show that by sheer coincidence, part of his rehab 247 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 2: was taking place at the same place that our guy 248 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 2: Rick Bosic was rehabbing after he suffered that multiple fracture 249 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 2: of his ankle. Basically, you know, he was mowing the 250 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 2: lawn and I think he hit like basically hit a hole. 251 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 2: His foot went down, and then it even got worse 252 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 2: when he tried to get up. They ended up at 253 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 2: the same spot in terms a rehab, and so Rick, 254 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 2: who knew him some, got to know him better and 255 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: had good conversations about the difficulties of rehab and about 256 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 2: many many different things. So it humanized it for Rick 257 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 2: because he'd had all these conversations with him, and in fact, 258 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 2: I saw a quote from his trainer, one of his trainers. 259 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 2: I think it was a story might have been on 260 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 2: one of the TV websites in Kentucky in Louisville, and 261 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 2: the quote from the trainer was he was getting very 262 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 2: close to being able to run routes. That he made 263 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 2: it sound like he was doing pretty well. Well, maybe 264 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 2: he wasn't doing very well mentally, we don't know. We 265 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: also get the news about Martin Short's daughter, Catherine Short, 266 00:14:54,920 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 2: forty two years old, who, according to authorities, also died 267 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 2: due to a self inflicted gunshot wound. In fact, I 268 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 2: also think he has canceled an appearance here with Steve 269 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 2: Martin for all the obvious reasons, or postponed at the 270 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 2: very least. And then I got in one of the 271 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 2: listeners Sunday, who was I think listening to some of 272 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 2: this discussion, because we did talk a lot of hockey Sunday, 273 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 2: but we got into the more story a little bit too. 274 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 3: I got this. 275 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: Note via my web but you know my iHeart address. 276 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: Good morning Dan, Yesterday's horrible news. I guess he's actually 277 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 2: sent it. Yeah, he did send it. Sunday Yesterday's horrible 278 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 2: news about Rondell Moore came on the twenty eighth anniversary 279 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 2: of my best friend Tim's suicide. Every year, when Feb 280 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 2: twenty two rolls around and Feb twenty two just did, 281 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 2: I'm reminded as if it were yesterday. Kim and I 282 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: became best friends in high school. At the time, he 283 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 2: had diabetes and it was on daily insolent shots. When 284 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 2: he turned thirty, he got worried that he had one 285 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 2: kidney that was a twenty five percent and the other 286 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 2: not functioning. Was recommended that he not only have a 287 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 2: kidney transplant, but a pancreas transplant as well, which would 288 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 2: remove the diabetes from his life. He was also at 289 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 2: the time newly married and going through college, and while 290 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 2: the transplant was successful, he had a year long battle 291 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 2: with varying pneumonia issues and fungus on the liver. It 292 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 2: delayed his schooling and ultimately a separation and a divorce 293 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 2: a few years later. It was the divorce he said 294 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 2: he was going through varying levels of hardship because he 295 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 2: was in and out of the hospital emotional trauma regarding 296 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 2: his marriage. The week leading up to his death, I 297 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 2: received a phone call from him. I'll never forget it. 298 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 2: It was a Tuesday night. He called to inform me 299 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 2: that his roommate was kicking him out of the house 300 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: and he would have to move home. We chatted for 301 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 2: a bit, actually laughed for a bit, and abruptly he said, 302 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: I got to go. 303 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 3: My roommate just got home. 304 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 2: Maybe I should go buy twenty dollars worth of quarters 305 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 2: and go to a payphone and give you a call. 306 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 3: Chucked and hung up. 307 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 2: That following Saturday evening, my wife called out to me 308 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: as I was arriving home that Tim's brother was on 309 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 2: the phone. He informed me that Tim had passed away. 310 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 2: I immediately drove over to Tim's parents' house and it was. 311 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 3: A scene. 312 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 2: Of a normal passing of life, but I had the 313 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 2: sense something was amiss. In later years, I met with 314 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 2: his siblings siblings to discuss my sense, and they confirm 315 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 2: that he had committed suicide. If Tim had only gone 316 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 2: and purchased those extra quarters and told me what was 317 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 2: going on, if only I had one hour prior to 318 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 2: him making his ultimate decision, things would be different. My 319 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 2: heart aches for Rondell's family. I'll be praying for him 320 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 2: in these days, and it's a subject we do talk 321 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 2: about from time to time. It's not a very pleasant 322 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 2: subject obviously to discuss, but it's worthy I think of 323 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 2: some time because I don't know that we'll ever know 324 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 2: what triggers that end or that decision. It's different reasons, 325 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 2: right for different people, realistically, And I don't know what 326 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 2: we might find out about more what was going on 327 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 2: in his mind if he was discouraged about that, or 328 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 2: might have been discouraged about something else. There might have 329 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 2: been other, you know, challenges that he had in terms 330 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 2: of mental health where he just couldn't stay on and 331 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 2: even Keel who knows what the thing is. But as 332 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 2: horrific as these stories are, they they do. They are 333 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 2: kind of a reminder, right that whether you're famous or not, 334 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 2: stuff gets to people. They go to places that maybe 335 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 2: even surprise themselves, and you can tell them logically they shouldn't. 336 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 2: You should tell them logically. You can tell them logically, 337 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 2: well here's what you have, this, this, this, and this, 338 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 2: this is not even something you should be considering. But 339 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: in the end, it doesn't matter whether it's logical or not. 340 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 2: And to the point of the of the of the 341 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 2: text or the email writer to me, to me, the 342 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: moral I got from him. And I always get when 343 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 2: people talk about these stories of their own experiences with it, 344 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 2: is if a person sadly is intent on taking that 345 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 2: last step, there may be nothing that you can do 346 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 2: about it. 347 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 3: That's the tragic truth of it. 348 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean you don't continue to do everything 349 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 2: in your human power to make sure if there's a 350 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 2: chance that person can be turned back, that you might 351 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 2: be able to take a be a small part of 352 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 2: that turn right by making that call, by reaching out. 353 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 2: And a lot of times these folks do not want 354 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 2: to be reached out too. They can even I'm sure, 355 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 2: in some occasions be difficult to deal with and intimidating 356 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 2: and almost be rate you for wanting to do it. 357 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 3: But what do you hear all the. 358 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 2: Time from the professionals That shouldn't stop you if you 359 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 2: can find a way, because there happen to be we 360 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 2: know there are occasions where one other conversation, for whatever reason, 361 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 2: kicks in and has some impact, and the person looks 362 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 2: back on it because they didn't end up taking that step, 363 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 2: and they go, that's what kind of opened the door. 364 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 3: I don't know why. 365 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 2: I don't know why that person saying that to me 366 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 2: at that point compared to five other people saying the 367 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 2: same thing. Something kicked in. So to me, that's the 368 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 2: moral of the stories. You can't give up on anybody. 369 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 2: You just can't do it, even if the person doesn't 370 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 2: seem all that inviting to you about attempting to play 371 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 2: that particular role. 372 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 3: Correct. 373 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: I would also add, though, you do have to let 374 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: yourself off the hook if it doesn't go the right way, 375 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 1: because I think a lot of people carry that. I mean, 376 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: I even think about it. What would you say the 377 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: percentages of someone that has a story like that that 378 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: the God emails in just from people listening right now, 379 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: it's probably much higher than you think, right absolutely, And 380 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: maybe not best friends like that person, but friends, someone 381 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: in a friend group, a cowork or whatever that that 382 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: you that they're carrying that same thought and perhaps guilt 383 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: around twenty some years later, like the emailer was. Because 384 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: the other part that we always hear is you might think, 385 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: man if I could have said something, but like you said, 386 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: it's often not received. 387 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 3: They're not in a spot to receive. 388 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense to us, but probably doesn't make 389 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: sense to them either, And that's kind of the point. Yeah, 390 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: their brain isn't mentioning that's thinking that way. So there's 391 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: it's a lot, there's there's a lot to think about 392 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: in situations like this. There're one hundred percent right, there 393 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 1: is that you you it's you cannot hold yourself responsible 394 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: because ultimately that person is either going to try to 395 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: listen to the folks around them and even in their 396 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: own head hoping for to get to a better place, 397 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: or they're not. And so there are probably a lot 398 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: of people. 399 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 2: Who punish themselves about, well, I should have made one 400 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 2: more phone call, right or I shouldn't have said this 401 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 2: to them at this point? 402 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 3: Was that something that I did? 403 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 2: You cannot, I agree, drive yourself crazy with that as well, 404 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 2: because you're dealing with such a volatile situation in which 405 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 2: there are no easy answers. It was interesting, though I 406 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 2: don't have the quote in front of me, but O'Connell's 407 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 2: reaction fascinated me because what he seemed to be saying, 408 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 2: if I read it right, was obviously he was devastated, 409 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 2: but beyond that, he held on to a feeling that 410 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 2: in situations where players are dealing with injury whatever, like 411 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 2: that cataclysmic injury, his desire and his wish because of 412 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 2: his belief that he can have some positive impact on 413 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 2: what that player is dealing with going through that very 414 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 2: frustrating process, is that they're around here. That's part of 415 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 2: what he said that you know, the decision was made 416 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 2: that he was going to train and reach, you know, 417 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 2: get himself back someplace else, which he did. And the 418 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 2: sense I got from speaking of like haunting yourself that 419 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 2: I got from O'Connell was sort of like he's always 420 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 2: going to wonder. And I don't think he was trying 421 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 2: to be presumptuous here. I don't think he was trying 422 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 2: to say, well, I could have fixed everything. But I 423 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 2: think it's a belief that if you think you're a 424 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: coach who does pay attention to that aspect of somebody 425 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 2: of his players, that you're saying, you know, we if 426 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 2: we have in this environment and I can you know 427 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 2: where we feel like we've got some good ways to 428 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 2: deal with with frustrations whatever you feel more in you know, 429 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 2: if if maybe not in control of it, but a 430 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 2: better chance to maybe encourage a better outcome. And again, 431 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 2: this might not have anything to do with his rehab process, 432 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 2: right with the number of injuries, because he's had a 433 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 2: series of injuries. This could be something completely different. 434 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:02,959 Speaker 3: We don't know. 435 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 2: I don't think we've had anybody attempt to try to 436 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 2: figure out yet. I don't know if anybody from the family 437 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 2: is going to Obviously generally people want privacy, certainly early 438 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 2: at a time like this, but we do know. Again, 439 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,239 Speaker 2: as much as much progress as we've made on I 440 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 2: think making mental health something we can talk about out 441 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 2: loud in ways that we didn't, I think we're way 442 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 2: better on that than we used to be. But I 443 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 2: think part of the challenge is to continue to draw 444 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 2: that out and so that people don't have to be 445 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 2: feel embarrassed or that they're going to be mocked or 446 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 2: they're going to be ridiculed when you're talking about this 447 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 2: sort of decision, because this is obviously the ultimate decisions. 448 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: Twenty five years old. Twenty five years old. Here's the 449 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 2: start tribute story from a couple of days ago from India. 450 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 2: O'Connell said, more rehabilitated the injury off site, that the 451 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 2: Vikings felt they couldn't quote have the same level of 452 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 2: impact that we pride ourselves on with their players within 453 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 2: our building and the resources we do have. It feels 454 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 2: in many ways from my chair of how I like 455 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 2: to make sure I'm making it about the player, for 456 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 2: the player, with the player with their best interest in mind. 457 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 2: It feels like kind of one that got away in 458 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 2: many ways for me. It's been tough to kind of 459 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 2: work through that. 460 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 3: I I, you. 461 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 2: Know, on stuff foot quarterback related stuff, I've been pretty 462 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 2: critical about, you know, his place in the some of 463 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 2: the decision making, and we even I give him grief 464 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 2: about some of the word salad and and and you know, 465 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 2: sometimes I think giving us a different face publicly than 466 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 2: the might be privately when it comes to dealing with 467 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 2: the media. But I think he's one hundred percent earnest 468 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 2: with that, oh for sure, and I appreciate it. 469 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 3: I think he means every word of that. 470 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 2: I don't think he's trying to say why I could 471 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 2: have fixed everything, but I think that part of it 472 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 2: makes sense. And that's that's part of the tragedy of this, 473 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 2: is the what ifs or what if this had been 474 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 2: done instead of that? 475 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 3: Could that have made a difference? 476 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 2: And you never know, because again, if somebody, based on 477 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 2: the stuff I've ever read, you know, if somebody is 478 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 2: intent on this in the end that's only going to 479 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 2: change if they can get to themselves, hopefully with help 480 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 2: from others who might we hope are going to be 481 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 2: trained in how to deal with individuals who are feeling 482 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 2: this way and taking the best approach and strategies to 483 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 2: try to get them to some other place. But we 484 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 2: do know, because we've had people when we've talked about 485 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 2: this before, say I was there. I was there, and 486 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 2: then this happened, something turned it for me, and now 487 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 2: I look back on it and I said, oh my god, 488 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 2: you know how close I came to making that particular decision. 489 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 3: So I really feel like that's why. 490 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, you can't beat yourself up if you 491 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 2: got too busy to make one more phone call, or 492 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 2: you made the call and it didn't go well and 493 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 2: you said, hey, I'm backing off. On the other hand, 494 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 2: I think if it's somebody that you can reach out 495 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 2: for and you can almost accept, even if the person's 496 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 2: not going to receive it very well, it's worth making 497 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 2: the try because it's such such a total loss. And 498 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 2: I know nothing about the background. If there is any 499 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 2: background regarding Martin Short's daughter, who, as I said, I 500 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 2: think was forty forty two years old. But again, these 501 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 2: are famous people, but we know this stuff happens. 502 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 3: Every day to people who are not not as famous. 503 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 2: Let's get a pause in here and we'll get to 504 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 2: a couple of a section items. 505 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 3: We'll have Russo at the top of the hour. 506 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 2: First chance we will have had to chat with him 507 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 2: since the gold medal run by the US on both 508 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 2: the men's side and the women's side, which he covered 509 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 2: a bunch of the women's stuff as well, So we'll 510 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 2: get to all of that with him at the top 511 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 2: of the hour, and we'll open doctor Dan's inbox at 512 00:27:51,720 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 2: five point thirty. I have finally opened up the text 513 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 2: line I waited, I think very strategically to a place 514 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 2: where I think it made some sense. 515 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 3: You know, I saw you look at me. I'm like, 516 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 3: is he cheating? 517 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: He's opening the text because I think I was supposed to. 518 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 2: Stop you were, But I think it's all about timing, 519 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 2: and given this subject, I support a time where we 520 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 2: usually get I think some of the most interesting and 521 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 2: provocative texts and honest texts from people, and that has 522 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 2: once again been very much the case. 523 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 3: Tough. 524 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 2: This is from looks like cecil in Maple Grove, tough 525 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 2: time to discuss. 526 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 3: Happy to hear your addressing it. 527 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 2: Recovery for me is the same in that the individual 528 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 2: individual must make the decision for themselves six' poet Two guy. Rights, 529 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 2: again tough issue to. DISCUSS i would just like to 530 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 2: add that a lot of people THINK i could never 531 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 2: get to the point of wanting to take my. 532 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 3: Life why would someone do? 533 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 2: That, WELL i got to, say as someone who is 534 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 2: at the highest level of my profession been known as 535 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 2: a tough minded, individual anyone can get to a really 536 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 2: bad point and those thoughts creep into your mind out of. 537 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 2: Nowhere crazy to think if people are stressed they need 538 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 2: to talk to. Someone that's exactly WHAT i was looking 539 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 2: for from, people BECAUSE i do think there's that sense of, 540 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 2: well guys got, everything are the he's, great top of 541 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 2: the line profession to that doesn't necessarily mean a thing 542 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 2: at any given. 543 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 3: Moment. 544 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 2: Dan while we are better in, general society still views 545 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 2: mental almost as a character, flaw not as a. Disease 546 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 2: until we can overcome, that we are going to continue to. 547 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 2: Struggle there's probably some truth to that. Too this is 548 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 2: From fabian In. Brainerd thank you for discussing. This my 549 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 2: middle son had a tight group of five close, friends 550 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 2: solid great. Guys it's freshman year of high. School my 551 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 2: son's classmate and best friend took his own. 552 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 3: Life it was. 553 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 2: Abysmal we all intensively dealt with it with the friend 554 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 2: group in the entire school, system and that wasn't, enough 555 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 2: because three months, later a second of those five boys committed. 556 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 2: Suicide our community ripped from its, insides and those of 557 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 2: us parents had to consider some sort of pact that 558 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 2: there might have been some sort of suicide. Pack thank The, 559 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 2: lord there was, not and those three remaining have gone 560 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 2: on to be very, successful but they always carry that 561 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 2: darkness with. Them i'm scroll down. Here of, course they 562 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 2: will never be the same that agony is on instant, 563 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 2: access but they carry on smiles For Jacob warriors, sincere 564 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 2: thanks for efforts to crush the stigma and get this conversation. 565 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 2: Uncovered That's fabian In brainerd and. There obviously we've talked about. 566 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 2: That there have been stories about those kinds of things and, pacts, 567 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 2: right and even websites that encourage people to do those 568 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 2: sorts of. Things that's a discussion that we've had from 569 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 2: time to time as. Well i'm hoping, WELL i don't. 570 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 2: KNOW i think, again you want to respect. Privacy but 571 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 2: and it shouldn't be about an, age, right it really. 572 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,479 Speaker 2: Shouldn't but obviously it's always going to be more jarring 573 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 2: when it's a teenager or when it's somebody Like moore 574 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,239 Speaker 2: was twenty five years, old, RIGHT i mean forty two 575 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 2: is to you. 576 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:49,959 Speaker 3: Anything they're all too. 577 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 2: Young but it strikes more when you're talking about somebody 578 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 2: in their teens or somebody, who's LIKE i, said twenty 579 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 2: five years, old because it's the cliche seems to. 580 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 3: Apply, man, Man. 581 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 2: So many ways this could have could go for, you you, 582 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 2: know in the right, direction to reach a point of 583 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 2: that level of. Desperate but again it speaks to it's 584 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 2: there's nothing logical about. 585 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 3: It that's. It it's the hard and that's what you. 586 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 3: Know people have to get over. That oh come, on 587 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 3: what are you? 588 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 2: Doing that's for for folks who are there clinically speaking 589 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 2: that that doesn't. Matter it doesn't matter that when you're 590 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 2: too young to even think about something like. 591 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 3: That. Right and we. 592 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: Don't know the specifics About ronde obviously, yet but just the, theory, 593 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: right given how often he's been, Injured, yes is that 594 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: that may, have because that's A i, MEAN i was 595 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: talking to a trainer the other. Day it was endless with. Him, 596 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: yes it was literally. Endless AND i remember saying to the, 597 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: trainer how much time do you spend with someone who's 598 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: torn their acl WHICH i think is what he just, did, right, correct. 599 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: Yep AND i was actually. SHOCKED i don't know. Why 600 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: the trainer said three to four hours every, day three 601 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: to four hours every day for like a, year nine 602 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: to twelve, months that's and SO i assume that's probably 603 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: WHAT i was doing something like, That and you need 604 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: to do, that especially and again if you want to, 605 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: be like you, say a world class football playing playing 606 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: the national football you're exactly. Right AND i just, said, okay, 607 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: wow THAT'S i. Mean and this wasn't about The Rondell moore. 608 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: Situation it was JUST i was asking about something else 609 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: AND i WAS i was. Stunned but then you think 610 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: ABOUT i remember him being injured when The gophers played 611 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: them in twenty. Nineteen he was on the field and got. 612 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: Hurt he in the quarterback got hurt on the same 613 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: play in twenty, nineteen AND i don't remember if that 614 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: was season, Ending but you just think about the collective 615 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: weight of every single, injury and you're probably, WONDERING i 616 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: was supposed to be this fall. Star i'm supposed to 617 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: be you, know this high draft pick and this stud 618 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: and when he was, healthy, man he really. Was i'm 619 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: sure it just over and over. Again that has to 620 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: have some kind of collective. 621 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 2: Way, well the other significant part of the story that 622 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 2: probably doesn't get enough, attention and we're getting it from people. 623 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 2: TEXTING i just got a couple more texts from people 624 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 2: talking about how they've had individuals in their life make that. 625 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 2: Decision and how many times have you been in a 626 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 2: find out like in some obscure way that someone you 627 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 2: know may be real well or somebody you even just 628 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 2: know more casually nine years, ago somebody in, there you, 629 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 2: know their brother did, it that they lost somebody in the. 630 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 2: Family that the toll on the individuals left behind who 631 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 2: you know, again a sibling or a son or a. 632 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 2: Daughter that's to me another underrated part of the. Story 633 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 2: how do you cope with? THAT i assume you never 634 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 2: get past it, completely, RIGHT i, mean. 635 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 3: Because it's it's it's got to be too. 636 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 2: Traumatic but then you also there's that that balancing act of, 637 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 2: well IF i wallow in it every, day what AM 638 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 2: i gaining. 639 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 3: By not living my? Life but does it? Is is at? 640 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 3: All it's GOTTA i would assume always be. There and 641 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 3: how do you what do? You how do you do? 642 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 2: That do you put it? Away do you kind of 643 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,919 Speaker 2: put it? Away you know the famous who's, uh who's 644 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 2: the guy who Played Bad? Santa, Oh Billy Bob? Thornton 645 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,320 Speaker 2: billy About thornton a number of years. Ago this clip 646 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 2: is getting attention suddenly now because everything's coming back in 647 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 2: this day and. 648 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 3: Age and it was. Him he lost his brother a 649 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 3: long time. Ago it was not. 650 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 2: SUICIDE i want to say it was a heart, attack 651 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 2: but he he had a famous interview in which OR 652 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 2: i didn't know it was an interview where he's seen 653 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 2: to be looking into a camera where he basically. 654 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,760 Speaker 3: Said there is not a day. 655 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,839 Speaker 2: That goes, by no matter how many years go, by 656 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 2: THAT i am not thinking about the loss of my. 657 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 2: Brother and he basically put it on the basis of 658 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 2: AND i don't want there to be a Day i'm 659 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 2: not thinking about. Him that's the PRICE i am willing 660 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:14,879 Speaker 2: to pay and want to. 661 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 3: PAY i don't want to put him. 662 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,399 Speaker 2: AWAY i always want to think about him every, day 663 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 2: as painful as it. Is now that's not involving, suicide 664 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 2: but THAT i Think i'm kind of interested and eager 665 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 2: to find out how individuals who have had that around, 666 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 2: them how do you? Cope because, again everybody's got to 667 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,360 Speaker 2: have coping. Mechanisms they have to find ways to get 668 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 2: out from, it even if you try to learn some 669 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 2: things from, it because you've got to live your. 670 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,319 Speaker 3: Life but what's that? 671 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 2: LIKE i don't think we probably talked about the survivors in, 672 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 2: them you, know the people who are still, here and 673 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 2: they you want to talk about, Guilt they even more than, 674 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 2: friends right about one more phone, call they're going to 675 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 2: have even more of, that one would, assume, right if 676 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 2: somebody was in their, household if it was a son or, 677 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 2: daughter you, know a, cousin whatever the case may, be 678 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,359 Speaker 2: somebody that they knew very very. 679 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 3: Well so that's that's part of. 680 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: It and they're probably always looking for, answers and like 681 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: we've talked, about, oftentimes they're never going to get those. 682 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: Answers they're never going to get that closure we always 683 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: talk about that did person leave a? Note did they 684 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 1: leave any? Explanation? Yeah, Right and oftentimes know and even 685 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: so if they, did what would that really? Provide would 686 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: that give you the peace or the? Closure still probably? Not, So, 687 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: YEAH i can take you to some dark. 688 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 2: Places as a, Veteran i've lost a few other MARINES 689 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 2: i served. WITH i wasn't always close to them as 690 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 2: we changed. Units but still hard to hear one made that. 691 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 2: Choice this is speaking Of. Rondell his whole life was. 692 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 2: Football it has to be to get that, level that 693 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 2: identity gets taken away with every. Injury top athletes are 694 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,760 Speaker 2: pushed so hard it has to be their whole. Lives, 695 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 2: also why we hear so much about athletes who fall 696 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 2: apart after, Retirement that may well be it may you, 697 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 2: KNOW i don't want to say we know that because 698 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 2: every situation is, different but, yeah that wouldn't BE i, 699 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 2: mean and you can say on the, outside it's just 700 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 2: there's other, careers it's just. SPORTS i, mean come, on 701 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 2: there's other things you can be able to. 702 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 3: Do and logically that's. 703 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 2: True but depending on where your mind is and one 704 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 2: of the things you got rattling around in, it who's 705 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 2: to say what impact in some case that that might 706 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 2: have a greater impact on some than on. 707 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:48,359 Speaker 3: OTHERS a couple more QUICK i had a where DID 708 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 3: i find? It there was a there was an interesting 709 00:38:52,600 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 3: text about a rural organization that helps to deal with. This, 710 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 3: now of COURSE i can't. 711 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,320 Speaker 2: Oh to be continued is a great a suicide awareness 712 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,880 Speaker 2: group that specializes in the rural. Areas they meet with 713 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:15,360 Speaker 2: mostly schools west of the cities in Rural. Minnesota to be, 714 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 2: continued and there are there's a, MILLION i think support. 715 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 2: GROUPS a lot of times individuals who still take that last. 716 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 2: Step they know, it and maybe they've even participated in 717 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 2: some of, that but perhaps for one reason or, another you, 718 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 2: know it didn't, resonate or it didn't hold on to 719 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 2: things that. Much our brother killed himself forty years. Ago 720 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 2: the rest of us siblings still miss. Him it's not 721 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 2: an everyday, wallow but it's, there and things are minus 722 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 2: of him forty years. Ago SO i, SAID i don't 723 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,479 Speaker 2: think can. Ever there's no such thing as getting past. 724 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 2: IT i think especially that would be true if it 725 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 2: was your, child, right that's almost. IMPOSSIBLE i had a 726 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 2: son who passed away at sixteen from. Suicide he wasn't biologically, 727 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 2: mine but raised him as a kid from birth to 728 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 2: eight and always considered him my. Son we got back 729 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,760 Speaker 2: in touch when he was a young. Teen july, second twenty, 730 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 2: twenty stopped into my. Work we talked about forty five. 731 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 2: MINUTES i didn't know it was the last time we'd. 732 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 2: Speak dylan was an amazing young, man helped grow The 733 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 2: wave youth group In Big. Lake straight a, student worked three. 734 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,919 Speaker 2: Jobs i've always THOUGHT i should have reached out. More 735 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 2: MAYBE i HAD i been better while with his, mom 736 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,919 Speaker 2: things could be. Different i've been to dark, places even. 737 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,280 Speaker 2: TRIED i think once a person gets to a point, where, 738 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 2: hey When i'm, gone it won't. Matter it gets. DANGEROUS 739 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 2: a great. Topic need more of. These that is from 740 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 2: a longtime, Listener Papa. TACO i appreciate all the earnest, 741 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 2: texts and maybe we will revisit some of them and 742 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 2: we get into the five o'clock hour or into the. 743 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,799 Speaker 3: Six there will be No top five at five. 744 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,280 Speaker 2: Today there will be an inbox at five, thirty maybe 745 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 2: to try to lighten things up just a little, bit 746 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 2: because it's it's a tough, subject BUT i think we're 747 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 2: one worthy of. Conversation when we come, back we'll check 748 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,280 Speaker 2: in for the first time since The Winter. Olympics ended 749 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 2: and started quite frankly With russou radio questions for. 750 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,359 Speaker 3: Him he is next right here in the fan