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Speaker 1: Read, so be a baby the X at one twenty

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Speaker 1: years ago. My guess right now, I gave the Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: Penguins equivalent of the Gettysburg address. It will live forever.

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Speaker 1: You heard it. We just played it. Let's welcome to

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Speaker 1: the program. Former Penguins coach Michelle Terry and Mike. It's

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Speaker 1: good to talk to It. Only seems like yesterday you

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Speaker 1: did that ramp. But it's twenty years and we.

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Speaker 2: All remember it.

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Speaker 1: We all remember it. Are you surprised that the legend

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Speaker 1: lives on?

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Speaker 2: Surprise? First of all, this todays talking to you. It's

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Speaker 2: been a long time. Surprise. Yes, and no, you know

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Speaker 2: so it's almost like every year now it's twenty years ago.

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Speaker 2: So but I'll say, like the last five six years,

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Speaker 2: every time we get to that anniversary, you know there,

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Speaker 2: they still put it on. So I can believe the

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Speaker 2: times go so fasted in twenty years. And it was

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Speaker 2: a tough night to be quite honest, But I'm glad.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad I did it honestly well.

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Speaker 1: And to be clear, you knew exactly what you were

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Speaker 1: saying and doing. I didn't hear, but you said, watch

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Speaker 1: this like the Tom McMillan some of the Penguins pr

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Speaker 1: people right before, but we didn't know that. More importantly,

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Speaker 1: the players didn't know that there was a definite message there.

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Speaker 2: Correct. Oh, for sure. I was prepared for a week.

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Speaker 2: I you know what Mark I was. I was coming

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Speaker 2: up from the American League. We get in Wicksbury, we

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Speaker 2: got quite successfully there and we reached the final. We

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Speaker 2: established right with the culture of our team when I

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Speaker 2: I knew exactly what's going on when me, your coach,

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Speaker 2: and the miners. To be quite honest, you know what's

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Speaker 2: happening with the team with the with the team in

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Speaker 2: the NHL, because there's some called up and the guys

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Speaker 2: so you get a meeting with them and you kind

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Speaker 2: the big teams. So there was some players, was really

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Speaker 2: honest with me, didn't liked the and they did not

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Speaker 2: I didn't like what I saw on TV. So when

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Speaker 2: I moved on to Pittsburgh, well, I try to change

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Speaker 2: things from the inside, try to change a system that

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Speaker 2: is not always easy during the regular season because a

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Speaker 2: lack of practice at time. And but I'm going to

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Speaker 2: tell you something, uh me and Mike you when we

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Speaker 2: One of the reason why I don't believe in that

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Speaker 2: the players who were there, they gotta go see that

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Speaker 2: about what we try to do. So it was only

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Speaker 2: me and Mike hel and we worked extremely hard to

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Speaker 2: So I try to be positive. Quite a few times

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Speaker 2: if I keep going the same way I did, I was.

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Speaker 2: so so my philosophy was pretty simple. I break it,

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Speaker 2: lad I did it because I saw a result after

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Speaker 1: No let me let me interrupt, Mike. You played Columbus

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Speaker 2: Correct Well, you know, I tried to They got five fight, yes,

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Speaker 2: When you have a group that they don't care about

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Speaker 1: We're talking about Slitarian former Penguins coach here on one

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Speaker 1: oh five ninety X Mike. One thing I loved about

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Speaker 1: You didn't yell. It was very measured, and I thought

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I was walking down to the press conference

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Speaker 2: Tommy is doing such a great job to prepare me

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Speaker 2: They did the same thing in montreality. He's preparing me.

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Speaker 2: He's going to receive that type of question, you know,

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Speaker 2: so I said Tommy, I said, watch me. I don't

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Speaker 2: It was about my statement and uh, and especially that

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Speaker 2: Didn't get to much respond from veteran players and and

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Speaker 2: have nothing to lose, Mark, to be quite honest, I

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Speaker 2: So they were going to move on. So I said, well,

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Speaker 2: And I was calm, like you said, because I was prepaired.

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Speaker 2: I was prepared for a week. I was just waiting

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Speaker 1: There was no question when Lincoln made the Gettysburg address,

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Speaker 1: but he still got the point across. And just to

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Speaker 1: But things did get more positive. The team did stick

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Speaker 1: bigger and better like like Stanley Cups, like Flurry gauntshar Crosby.

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Speaker 1: They won that team. Talbot Kolbey Armstrong was on that team.

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Speaker 1: So so the guys who needed to get the message

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely right, you know, And like I said, we

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Speaker 2: close to the end of the year, we have no

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Speaker 2: remember the last one I gave we close almost straight

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Speaker 2: was just like sometime you could add at that season

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Speaker 2: I needed to change. I needed to change the culture.

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Speaker 2: And two years after, with a really young team, we

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Speaker 2: I think again we were close to fifty wins and

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Speaker 2: we reached a Study Cup final. So they got the message,

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Speaker 2: you know, because of the day, they end up to

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Speaker 2: about each other, and they became winners. And that's the

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Speaker 2: most important thing to add a winning attitude. And this

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Speaker 1: What was your favorite line of the rant? Looking back?

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Speaker 1: Like you said soft a bunch of times, which people

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Speaker 1: they don't. When you did that, I like had to

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Speaker 2: The truth that was the truth. You know, it's like

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Speaker 2: you know. So but I know they didn't care winning

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Speaker 2: you're losing. You could tell by their attitude actor a game.

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Speaker 2: You could tell there was a few guys care. They

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Speaker 2: would but not enough, not enough. I could camera on

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Speaker 2: bread and butter, it's if your team is gonna win

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Speaker 2: and I hate to lose. So, uh, we're losing game,

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Speaker 2: I'm going back home and I'm freaking. Uh, I'm thinking

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Speaker 2: What can I I'm still like the thinking, thinking, thinking,

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Speaker 2: So we're going nowhere, So I need have changed everything?

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Speaker 1: Well, it did change everything, Mike. I'm glad to talk

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Speaker 1: Do you still drink White Russians?

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Speaker 2: I don't drink. I don't drink anymore. You know, I've

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Speaker 1: But like if you we remember, you would sometimes when

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Speaker 1: Do you miss coaching? You haven't coached in almost ten years?

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Speaker 2: Do you miss it? Yuh? You know what? I got

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Speaker 1: What that was this year?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't know, Mike, forgive me, I didn't know.

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of college kids represented the US,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we beat them, But I'm telling you,

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Speaker 2: It was part of to be quite honest, Mark, it

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Speaker 2: and we've got a great time. Mike.

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Speaker 1: Great to speak with you again. Great to relive those memories.

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Speaker 1: I hope I talked to you again. And thanks. It

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Speaker 2: It was great. It was great, great talking to you. Yeah,

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