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Speaker 2: I don't know about you. I'm about have had it

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Speaker 2: with this weather.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know about you, but the best news

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Speaker 1: I got this week is that Don Lemon was arrested yesterday,

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Speaker 1: taken into custody for his involvement in live streaming a

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Speaker 1: quote protest close quote with the anti ice agitators. And

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Speaker 1: that was out of Minnesota church last Sunday. Boy, and

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Speaker 1: if you haven't seen a clip of it, you really

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Speaker 1: ought to. I mean, it's just unbelievable. But at any rate,

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Speaker 1: we've got Don Lemon on a clip here. Just listen

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Speaker 1: to this. This was before he got popped yesterday, but

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Speaker 1: just listen to him try to justify what he did

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Speaker 1: last Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Can you play that please?

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Speaker 3: I think people who are you know, in the religious

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Speaker 3: groups like that. It's not the type of Christianity that

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Speaker 3: I practice, but I think that they're entitled and that

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Speaker 3: that entitlement comes from a supremacy, a white supremacy. I

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Speaker 3: do understand that I'm the biggest name there, and I'm

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Speaker 3: also as I was on with my producers this morning,

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Speaker 3: you know you and Kylie talk all the time. My

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Speaker 3: producers were saying, I said, how did I become the

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Speaker 3: face of this? And my producer said, don you're a

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Speaker 3: gay black man in America and you have a platform,

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Speaker 3: and you're the biggest name. Of course you're going to

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Speaker 3: be the person that they single out and they're going

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Speaker 3: to make the headline because it plays to their base,

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Speaker 3: and their base is full of racist, bigot bigot homophobes.

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Speaker 2: Nice.

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Speaker 1: You know what, I don't know that I've ever seen

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Speaker 1: way to say that he is a gay black man

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Speaker 1: in America. I mean, frankly, I mean that is a

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Speaker 1: kind of ticket to get you more things, not less.

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Speaker 2: And then he says, if you look at.

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Speaker 1: This thing, it's just a normal church with normal people

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Speaker 1: like you and I worshiping. How he works white supremacist

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Speaker 1: all well know, a liberal like him will never be

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Speaker 1: held to account for what he says. But I'd like

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Speaker 1: to ask him, what does white supremacy have anything to

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Speaker 2: A church and disrupting a worship service?

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Speaker 1: And again, at any chance he gets I'm a gay

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Speaker 1: black man. They're doing all these horrible things to me.

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Speaker 1: And then he says, got a little bit of an

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Speaker 1: ego on him too. He said, I'm the biggest name there. Well,

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Speaker 1: I guess you are. Maybe you'll be the biggest name

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Speaker 1: in the federal prison. We can only hope. At the

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Speaker 1: very end, too, he works in. It's almost like he

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Speaker 1: just wants to say the words racist, bigoted, homophobe. The

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Speaker 1: people worshiping in that church are racist, bigoted homophobes. I mean,

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Speaker 1: how does he know that. Well, he doesn't know it

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Speaker 1: because it's not true. But anyway, the good news yesterday

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Speaker 1: he was charged with conspiracy. Everything in federal court is

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Speaker 1: a conspiracy. I think, a conspiracy and interfering with civil

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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: I did not get a chance to look at that

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Speaker 1: And he can play this journalism card all he wants.

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Speaker 1: He said, I was there to do journalism. No, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't work that way. Don Lemon does not have a

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Speaker 1: First Amendment right to violate the First Amendment rights of others,

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Speaker 1: and that's exactly what he did. Their First Amendment right

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Speaker 1: to worship where and how they feel like worshiping. So again,

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Speaker 1: good news will follow it and see where it goes.

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Speaker 1: My concern is this is it is with cases in Washington,

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Speaker 1: like a suburb of Minneapolis. I don't know what kind

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Speaker 1: That's the problem with a lot of these things, especially

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Speaker 2: Try getting a fair jury up there, and I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I hope that's not the case in this federal court,

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 1: You know Trump, I think he wanted to do something

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Speaker 1: that he did something wrong. Let me tell you something.

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Speaker 1: He didn't do anything wrong. He did nothing wrong. He

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Speaker 2: Now he kind.

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Speaker 1: Of looks like he's the guy that was run out

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Speaker 1: of town by the sheriff.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think the president, I don't know how he does it,

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Speaker 1: and obviously he knows things that I don't know, but

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Speaker 1: I think the President ought to go out of his

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Speaker 1: at least in his mind President Trump's mind, he didn't

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Speaker 1: do anything wrong. Matter of fact, I think he did

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Speaker 1: a hell of a lot right. But Trump, I mean

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Speaker 1: in some people's minds, wanting to enforce the federal immigration laws.

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Speaker 1: I talked about this a couple of times before, and

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Speaker 1: maybe you already know this, but you talk about the

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Speaker 1: height of hypocrisy. Barack Obama earned the nickname of Deporter

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Speaker 1: in Chief and listen to what he says. Just listen carefully.

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Speaker 1: I got a clip of him from twenty ten. Listen

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Speaker 2: Could you play that? Liam?

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Speaker 4: There are those in the immigrants rights community who have

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Speaker 4: argued passionately we should simply provide those who are illegally

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Speaker 4: have better laws. And often this argument is framed in

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Speaker 4: moral terms. Why should we punish people who are just

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Speaker 4: indiscriminate approach would be both unwise and unfair. It would

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Speaker 4: suggest to those thinking about coming here illegally that there

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Speaker 4: it would also ignore the millions of people around the

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Speaker 4: our nation, like all nations, has the right and obligation

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Speaker 2: How about that?

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Speaker 1: I mean, in your mind's eye, as you're listening to that.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't those words come out of Donald Trump's mouth and

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Speaker 1: probably have not exactly like that, but the whole theory.

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Speaker 2: Behind it, I mean, it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: He is saying what Trump has said from jump, we

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Speaker 1: That ain't DJT. That's Saint Obama's saying that. And then

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Speaker 1: he said this too, and he's so right about this.

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Speaker 1: Why should we let all these illegals in when you

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Speaker 1: got millions in line that want to come here lawfully.

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Speaker 1: I've wondered that since the very beginning, and you know,

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Speaker 1: can you say hypocrisy? My recollection is, and I watched

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Speaker 2: My recollection is he got no.

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Speaker 1: Crap for that from the mainstream media, from Republicans, certainly

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Speaker 2: Well, in this instance, he was right. He was dead

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Speaker 1: And narry a critic in the whole country, to the

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Speaker 1: I know I'm not gonna go and pay money to

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Speaker 1: I think she's quite an accomplished woman. But it's just

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Speaker 2: Guess what it did.

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Speaker 1: It is already getting panned by the quote critics unquote

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Speaker 1: a question about it, I look at Rotten Tomatoes. They

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Speaker 1: the Millenia movie again out yesterday. Eight percent of the

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Speaker 1: gonna monitor it. While eight percent of critics didn't like it,

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Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of real people did like it, ninety

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Speaker 1: And by the way, if you haven't seen it, it's

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Speaker 1: don't know. Mister Quaid did an incredible job of playing

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Speaker 1: Dennis Quaid, I think that that's the guy. Okay, here's

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Speaker 2: I mean you just know it.

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Speaker 1: You know, recognized by even some Democrats and probably, if

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Speaker 1: we've ever had. Okay, Rotten Tomatoes Reagan movie eighteen percent,

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Speaker 1: ten percent more than a Millennia movie. Eighteen percent of

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Speaker 1: the so called critics liked it. Ninety eight percent. And

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Speaker 1: I checked this yesterday, ninety eight percent of real people,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's a pretty good bet. If the critics

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Speaker 1: I am going to make a point.

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Speaker 2: Of watching it.

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Speaker 1: These people are pompous, elite, arrogant snobs, and frankly, at

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Speaker 1: Let's talk to Bobby. Hello, Bobby, how you doing.

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Speaker 5: Good morning, my friend, Thanks for taking my call. We

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Speaker 5: sure appreciate you. Hold that torture freedom up hire and

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, I tell you what, it's an interesting time.

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Speaker 5: Well, I hate to repeat myself, and you know it's

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Speaker 5: They're going to see exactly what I'm talking about. You know,

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. You know, I'm thinking the same thing, Bobby.

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Speaker 1: Ones that aren't getting paid agitators. Yeah, I guess they

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Speaker 5: That one thing too. Everybody keeps using the word in

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Speaker 1: You know, And I think they're starting to kind of

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Speaker 5: To know one thing also, and I'll let you go,

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Speaker 6: But anyway, with this gentleman, you know there's going to

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Speaker 6: So that bothers me tremendously. Secondly, with this situation and

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Speaker 1: And why take it to a riot or well, what

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Speaker 6: All right, Like I said, thank god, maybe they avoided

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Speaker 6: Keep up the great work.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: You too, You too. Hey, I'm going back to the phones.

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Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you I have a lot of

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna read you a text. I got not gonna

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Speaker 1: my mind about going to see it. We shall see.

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Speaker 2: Who's up next? H Gary in Green Hills? Hey, Gary,

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Speaker 2: how you doing?

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Speaker 7: Hey?

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Speaker 5: How are you?

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Speaker 2: Mike good? Good? What you got?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I just wanted to comment. I attend as in

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Speaker 7: church here in town. It's a it's a small church.

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Speaker 7: We average about maybe two hundred people on our service.

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Speaker 7: But but it comes to the point where now we

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Speaker 7: have four or five guys that are on a security team. Yeah,

445
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Speaker 7: they've they've been trained by the local police department how

446
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Speaker 7: to handle a situation. But you know, it's really sad

447
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Speaker 7: knowing that you have to have people garden your church.

448
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Speaker 7: They are armed to take out somebody that comes in

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Speaker 7: and and means to it's sad.

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Speaker 1: Listen to this carry just to kind of build on

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Speaker 1: what you said. I've got friends that are retired Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: police officers and they have to do exactly what you're

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Speaker 1: talking about out of church downtown, and it is sad

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Speaker 1: when you have to do that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it is, yeahlad, I'm glad that they

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Speaker 7: we have that protection. But it's just the world is

457
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Speaker 7: just really messed up.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's extremely mixed messed up. I appreciate the call.

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Speaker 7: Gary, thank you, Okay, well, thank you, Okay, God bless

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Speaker 7: you you too.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I grew up camp like at

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Speaker 1: St Antoninus, and the closest thing we had to that

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Speaker 1: were the ushers, who some of us jokingly referred to

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Speaker 1: as the church police. But I mean the point being

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Speaker 1: when you got a hired police officers to kind of

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Speaker 1: protect the place from idiots strolling in there wanting to

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Speaker 1: do harm. That's a sad state of affairs. But you know,

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Speaker 1: these churches, they gotta do what they gotta do. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk to Brian and Dayton. Hey Brian, good morning.

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Speaker 8: Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 5: I just take my call.

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Speaker 8: Hey, yeah, I want to know this guy was a

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Speaker 8: nurse like they say he was. Why was he carrying

476
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Speaker 8: a first aid kit instead of an extra mastice?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, good question. Good question.

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Speaker 1: When maybe we'll ask Elizabeth Warren. She seems to love

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Speaker 1: the guy.

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Speaker 5: There you go, Yeah, all right, there you go. Thanks.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate the call. Thank you. Yeah, you know what.

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Speaker 8: I know.

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Speaker 1: I've said this a couple of times already, But find

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Speaker 1: that thing with Elizabeth Warren, whoever put it together, is

485
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Speaker 1: a genius because it just plays the both things her

486
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Speaker 1: saying the idiotic things she's saying and this guy kicking

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Speaker 1: the tail lights out of an ice car, throwing stuff

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Speaker 1: at it, screaming at the same time. It's a good,

489
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Speaker 1: as they say, juxtaposition. Let's talk to Tricia. She wants

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Speaker 1: to talk about the Milania movie. Hey, good morning, Tricia.

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Speaker 7: Mike.

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Speaker 3: How are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm good. What you guy for me?

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Speaker 9: Hey, the Milania movie was excellent. Oh you went to

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Speaker 9: the movie? I did, and it's one of the best

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Speaker 9: movies I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's in the nature of a documentary, isn't it?

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Speaker 7: It is?

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Speaker 9: And it has great music from the eighties, I think,

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Speaker 9: and I may go see it again.

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Speaker 2: Good hey, let me ask you, did you see the

502
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Speaker 2: Reagan movie? I did not.

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Speaker 5: It does look good, though, it does look good, excellent.

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Speaker 1: It should have won some Academy award. But of course,

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Speaker 1: you know those leftists out there, it's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: But hey, I appreciate your weighing in on that movie.

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Speaker 1: You guys are changing my mind on this.

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Speaker 2: Uh maybe I will.

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Speaker 5: Okay, all right, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, Tricia, God bless you too. Thank you.

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Speaker 9: Ah.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk to Casey. Hey, Good morning, Casey.

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Speaker 10: Hey, good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 5: How are you.

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Speaker 10: I always like listening to you on Saturday morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 10: I'm a high school basketball official. I'm head to a

518
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Speaker 10: ball game and all the I was always fun to

519
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Speaker 10: listen to you in the morning and get your point

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Speaker 10: of view. I live in Springfield, and I know all

521
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Speaker 10: the stuff's coming up with all the being deported back.

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Speaker 10: One of the things I wanted to bring up, and

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Speaker 10: I think I think most people would probably agree on

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Speaker 10: the on the immigration policy. We've had an immigration pol

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Speaker 10: I'll see in place for two hundred and fifty years,

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Speaker 10: and it seems to have worked pretty well off until

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Speaker 10: the last ten fifteen years. If they want to change

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Speaker 10: that immigration policy, it's not a congressional or it's not

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Speaker 10: a presidential or or a Supreme Court. It's the American

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Speaker 10: people must decide that if they're gonna do anything like that,

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Speaker 10: they need to put it on the ballot and let

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Speaker 10: the American people vote on it. And most people will

533
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Speaker 10: probably say that everything's fine. If they want to change

534
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Speaker 10: it and speed up the process, then they need to

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Speaker 10: put the necessary things in place to do that. But

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Speaker 10: I think it takes about two years, if I'm not mistaken,

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Speaker 10: to really have that, you know, to become a citizen.

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Speaker 10: But the thing it is is if that's not good enough,

539
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Speaker 10: and if they want to speed it up, fine, But

540
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Speaker 10: when these let all these people in here illegally, I mean,

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Speaker 10: I think most Republicans would say, if you're here legally,

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Speaker 10: it's okay, you're taking this is ridiculous. And I think

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Speaker 10: I really do think that the one call you called

544
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Speaker 10: in earlier, I believe there's going to be some civil

545
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Speaker 10: uprising here before long. And I hope not because that'll

546
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Speaker 10: just absolutely be horrible for everybody. But I'm afraid, and

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Speaker 10: I'm afraid for the first refinders. The police officers, you know,

548
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Speaker 10: and these guys are just doing their their jobs. And

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Speaker 10: I saw that the nurse or whatever, that guy that

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Speaker 10: kicks you know what, Yeah, the.

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Speaker 2: Kind gentle guy. Yeah yeah, the guy he wants your daughter.

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Speaker 10: To date my daughter.

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Speaker 9: No, he would not be dating my.

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Speaker 1: Daughter's just how vullible these liberals like Elizabeth Warren are,

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Speaker 1: you know, they just suck it up. They want to

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Speaker 1: control the narrative, and god forbid if somebody comes up

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Speaker 1: with some really good clips that show otherwise.

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Speaker 2: It was just great that somebody thought to do that.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, And like I said, I think the next president

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Speaker 10: or whatever, and I would really like to see congressional

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Speaker 10: uh you know, lim term limits. I think that needs

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Speaker 10: to happen. Whoever does become the next president. I think

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Speaker 10: that would be a big platform to run on because

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Speaker 10: not only the Democrats but also the Republicans. There's a

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Speaker 10: lot of Republicans in there that need to get out.

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Speaker 2: I agree Lindsay green One.

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Speaker 10: I mean, these guys have been there forever. Let's get

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Speaker 10: somebody in there that's gonna you know, listen to what

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Speaker 10: we're saying. And that's the thing. It's unbelievable. These people

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Speaker 10: do not listen to what we're asking them to do.

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Speaker 10: And if that's the case, then they need to be

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Speaker 10: voted out.

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Speaker 2: I got you. I appreciate the call.

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Speaker 5: I really do. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: You know that the term limit thing, people are starting

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Speaker 1: to talk about that again, it's not anywhere near the

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Speaker 1: fever pitch that it was I don't know, ten, fifteen

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Speaker 1: years ago, whatever, But you know, I kind of I

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Speaker 1: think we need to look at it because he's right

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Speaker 1: about Congress, you know, Hakeem Jefferies, Chuck Schumer been there

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Speaker 1: way too long. And Mitch McConnell, God love him. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think he could make the argument there too, not

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Speaker 1: on substance, but you know, he just he doesn't seem

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Speaker 1: like he's up to the job more. And you know,

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Speaker 1: when i'm his age, hopefully I'm a little better than that.

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Speaker 1: But again, I think that at some point stands a

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Speaker 1: good chance of catching fire.

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 1: Hey listen, we got a break for the news, but

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Speaker 1: when we get back full hour of Janis Heisel of

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Speaker 1: the Epoch Times, who did a really deep dive into

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Speaker 1: the lives of five J six ers that were convicted

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Speaker 1: and imprisoned, and boy, it's good. You definitely want to

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Speaker 1: hear that, and we'll do it when we get back.

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Speaker 1: News Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen and our two

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Speaker 1: Saturday Midday. I don't know if I said this in

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Speaker 1: my opening, but short show today out of here at

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Speaker 1: eleven thirty because of the UC basketball game, so we

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Speaker 1: go to eleven thirty. But you know, I've been looking

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Speaker 1: forward to this all week. I mentioned in the intro

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Speaker 1: to the show that Janis Heisel of the Epoch Times

602
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Speaker 1: writing pretty much exclusively lately on the scandal out in Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: but she took some time from that to do a

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Speaker 1: very deep dive on the afterlife of five J sixers

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Speaker 1: who were convicted and imprisoned.

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Speaker 2: It's four men, one women.

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Speaker 1: The woman, interestingly enough, is a former NYPD officer, and

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Speaker 1: all five of them are very personal accounts of how

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Speaker 1: J six and the aftermath changed their lives.

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Speaker 2: Janis, thanks so much for joining us this morning.

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Speaker 9: Well, thank you, Mike.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you agreeing to do the whole hour two. It

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Speaker 1: was I mean, it goes without saying I think that

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Speaker 1: this story was great. I mean it's personalized. You get

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Speaker 1: a different perspective from each and every one of them.

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Speaker 1: It was great your intro to it, Janniss January sixth

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Speaker 1: and this is kind of collectively what they think one

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Speaker 1: of the most mischaracterized events in US history.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, I think they're right about that.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's what they all told me. It was really

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Speaker 9: interesting to see how, of course everybody's life is different

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Speaker 9: as they're trying to rebuild their lives a year after

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Speaker 9: being pardoned by President Trump, but yet there were certain

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Speaker 9: themes in common, and I did choose to summarize those

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Speaker 9: up top, and that is absolutely I've actually been in

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Speaker 9: contact with a number of other January sixth ers. I

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Speaker 9: did a piece a year ago right after the pardons

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Speaker 9: were issued, and of course that was, you know, pretty

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Speaker 9: controversial because even people who were in fact, you know,

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Speaker 9: mixing up with the police were you know, part of

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Speaker 9: the pardon. But part of the problem, I think is

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Speaker 9: that there's a lot of concern as to whether there

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Speaker 9: were instigators that made people do things they probably wouldn't

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Speaker 9: do otherwise. Right, how do you you know, fairly put

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Speaker 9: that into context? So it definitely I'm not taking five

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Speaker 9: on that. I'm just saying that that concern and that

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Speaker 9: debate are definitely out there.

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 1: And you also said none of them, and in reading

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Speaker 1: the accounts, it's exactly true. None of them say they

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Speaker 1: regret their actions even though they were in prison.

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Speaker 9: Yeah. Absolutely one of the guys. I ended up not

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Speaker 9: being able to fit this into the story because I

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Speaker 9: was given, you know, a certain amount of space, five

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Speaker 9: stories to tell, you know, people, you know, even if

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Speaker 9: you try to write it very compellitely, people's attention spans

647
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Speaker 9: aren't very long as a general rule. But one of

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Speaker 9: the guys, it was so interesting. I wish it would

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Speaker 9: have had room for this. There was a relative of

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Speaker 9: Nancy Pelosi was doing some kind of a documentary in

651
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Speaker 9: regard to January sixth, and hunted this guy down and

652
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Speaker 9: talked to him right after his release and talked to

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Speaker 9: him months later and literally confronted him and said, so

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Speaker 9: you're still watching conservative TV after all this time?

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Speaker 7: Wow.

656
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 9: Tried to get like god, him into turning against Trump

657
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 9: and he still would not do that.

658
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: Typical boy. I'm glad that you mentioned that. Yeah, because

659
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: that story's not in there. It doesn't surprise me. Just

660
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: the arrogance of these people. Well, listen, let's start out

661
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: with Dan Laden.

662
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 8: Uh.

663
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: You talk to him. He's a low profile I think.

664
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: He described it, or maybe that was you that described

665
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: low profile union electrician.

666
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: Tell us what you learn from him.

667
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 9: You know, I put his story first because, oh, you know,

668
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 9: I try to play it down the middle as much

669
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 9: as I can. But I'm a human being too, And

670
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 9: you got a feel for a guy who was just

671
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 9: living a normal, blue collar life and then this strange

672
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 9: series of events literally thrusts him into the forefront of

673
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 9: this mess. He made a last minute decision to go

674
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 9: with his brother to see he said, our favorite president

675
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 9: and his brother give what may have been his last

676
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 9: major public appearance speech as the forty fifth president. And

677
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 9: so he there he goes, he and his brother get

678
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 9: separated in the large crowd and then cell phone you know,

679
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 9: service and things were pretty bad there and you know,

680
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 9: couldn't get through to each other or whatever. Well, he

681
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 9: ends up striking up a conversation with a guy who says, hey,

682
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 9: it's really cold. Guy said, you know, I don't even

683
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 9: have on Yeah, he said on cheap Walmart Minton's had

684
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 9: a flannel shirt and just a T shirt under it. It

685
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 9: was really really cold that day. But and he said, yeah,

686
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 9: I'm I'm a really well trained quote insurrectionist. He'd even

687
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 9: show up dressed properly. Right, So here he is. He

688
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 9: ends up going to this makes up a friendship, look,

689
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 9: strikes up a conversation with this guy. Guy says, it's

690
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 9: really cold, let's just walk to the capitol. Now we

691
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 9: can't hear this any way. The loud speakers were crackling

692
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 9: as other speakers preceding President Trump were talking. And the

693
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 9: guy like, you know what, I'm so cold, I could

694
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 9: do jumping jacks. I'm going with you. So they walked

695
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 9: to the Capitol because they left early, they were among

696
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 9: the very first people there. Yeah, and they were right

697
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 9: next to these bike racks. And he says, and you know,

698
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 9: I don't want to get into you know, who's right

699
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 9: who's wrong. But the prosecution say, you know, hey, he

700
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 9: was pushing over a bike rack into the path of

701
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 9: the police. He says, he leaned into it, and they

702
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 9: just made it look like that based on taking still

703
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 9: photos from videos. So again, I don't want to parse

704
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 9: the evidence. I'm just telling you this is his side

705
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 9: of the story.

706
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 2: Right, right here he is.

707
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 9: He never ends up hearing. He makes the last minute

708
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 9: decision to go to this speech, doesn't hear the speech,

709
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 9: get separated from his brother who talked him into going,

710
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 9: and then literally becomes one of the main characters that

711
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 9: they're looking for because he was towards the front of

712
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 9: the crowd.

713
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he faced up to twenty nine years in prison,

714
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: and like you said, didn't even go inside. And I

715
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: think he's he disputes that he pushed the bicycle racked.

716
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: So you know, yeah, I guess everybody's perception is different,

717
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: but man, that's kind of crazy to me.

718
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 9: Yeah, and so there are a lot of stories like

719
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 9: that where January sixth ers has told me that and

720
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 9: they've publicly said otherwise that evidence. It's like they're only

721
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 9: showing half the coin. They don't show the other half

722
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 9: of the coin.

723
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: You know.

724
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 9: It's just there's a lot, there's a lot like that

725
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 9: out there. So, but the thing that really hit me

726
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 9: in the heart about this guy, his wife just died

727
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 9: a couple of weeks before I talked to him, and

728
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 9: they had been together for twenty nine years. Twenty seven.

729
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it was just I'm sorry, no, you go ahead, No, No, Well.

730
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 9: It was just so sad how this man said to me,

731
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 9: you know, I just want to walk my dog in

732
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 9: the park. I don't know what else to do.

733
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, And also I read that in your story a

734
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: buddy of his, a fellow Jay six er, I guess,

735
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: committed suicide and he loses his wife too. As you

736
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: just mentioned, that's that's pretty much a bad situation after

737
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: this thing.

738
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 5: You know.

739
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was a basically most people consider it to

740
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 9: be a suicide by cop situation. Just a lot of

741
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 9: sadness in this guy's life. But it was really interesting

742
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 9: to me how he he managed to kind of you know,

743
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 9: still be you know, positive looking up in a lot

744
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 9: of ways, while still very very steep to the sadness

745
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 9: over especially the loss of his wife, and just doesn't

746
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 9: know how to rebuild. He talked about how his wife

747
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 9: was terrorized. She happened to be home by herself with

748
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 9: the family pets when the FBI raided the place. Yeah,

749
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 9: completely shocked.

750
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: You know.

751
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 9: Regardless of anybody's opinion on this, I think most people

752
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 9: would probably agree that rating a person's home for allegedly

753
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 9: push over a bike rack, you gotta.

754
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: Wonder about exactly you gotta wonder about the motivation, and gee,

755
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's political. You know, Hey, let's move

756
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: on here. Number two Alexander Shepherd. He's from Columbus. Tell

757
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: us about him, Well, alex I.

758
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 9: Found out about him because I noticed something on Twitter.

759
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 9: I saw I was from Columbus, and so actually, yeah,

760
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 9: last year I featured him in a separate story, went

761
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 9: up and met with him. You know, he is he

762
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 9: just still was so shocked to be labeled a domestic terrorist,

763
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 9: and literally his the main thing they said he did

764
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 9: wrong was he was he did go into the Capitol,

765
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 9: but he said he went through open doors, and we've

766
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 9: seen the videos now initially that that information was kept

767
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 9: from the public. It seems to me, if I recall correctly,

768
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 9: we didn't know that a lot of these people were

769
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 9: going through open doors, and so he didn't think he

770
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 9: was doing anything wrong. And he one of his biggest

771
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 9: things he was charged for was going into a room

772
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 9: and snapping a picture of a portrait on a wall

773
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 9: because he wasn't he didn't know he wasn't supposed to

774
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 9: be in the room, he says, So it just really,

775
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 9: you know, he's still he had just started his own

776
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 9: company young man, and he I think he was in

777
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 9: his early twenties or maybe nineteen when this all happened, now,

778
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 9: you know what, twenty five or something. I can't remember

779
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 9: the exact age without looking at the story. But tried

780
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 9: to rebuild your life. And even though he has a pardon,

781
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 9: it's the record is still says he has this, and

782
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 9: people still know who he is. All of them said

783
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 9: that they are subjected to a certain degree of being

784
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 9: ostracized in society when people find out, you know, oh

785
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 9: he was a January picture all of a sudden, It's

786
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 9: like a modern day scarlet letter. And then also one

787
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 9: other thing about him though, that was very interesting. He

788
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 9: said he has been so humbled that Vietnam veterans have

789
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 9: thanked him for his service.

790
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, they thanked him, and he was a Vietnam veteran.

791
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: You actually said that. He said that some of them

792
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: actually say thank you for your service. I wonder if

793
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: they were referring to what he did on Jay six.

794
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 9: In a lot of people, No, yeah, yeah, he was

795
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 9: not a veteran in any way. They talked to him

796
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 9: like that is what he told me, and he said

797
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 9: he's it stunned him still every time.

798
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Vietnam vets say to him, Yeah, I don't

799
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: think he was like you said, thank you for your service,

800
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: and people of faith the same way. I guess he

801
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: was close according to your story, your account when Ashley

802
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: Babbitt was shot, and he thinks that that made him

803
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: more noticeable. Therefore he ended up getting charged and found guilty.

804
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 9: Exactly. Another very interesting parallel between him and that Dan Laydon.

805
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 9: He made a last minute decision to go. I think

806
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 9: all of the people I talked to actually made last

807
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 9: minute decisions to go. As another I'm thinking of it.

808
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's kind of a common thread that runs

809
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: through the stories. And he believes that, and I tend

810
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: to agree that there was no actual victim to his

811
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: crimes and no witnesses, and he went to trial apparently.

812
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: And he makes a really good point in the story Jannis,

813
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: that you reported found guilty by a jury with no Republicans.

814
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: We were talking about that in another context this morning.

815
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how that you would ever

816
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: get a not guilty finding out of that federal district

817
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: with the jury, given who the jury members would be,

818
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 1: a lot of them insiders in DC that him out

819
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: to that he said that.

820
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 9: Yeah, as a matter of fact, he did. And also

821
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 9: a very interesting point is that he knows Dan Laydon,

822
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 9: the guy, the electrician from Chicago that we just discussed.

823
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 9: They became friends while locked up together.

824
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess he's witnessed d Ashley Babbitt's shooting.

825
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: He says she was shot she attempted to climb through

826
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: a broken window, So he actually witnessed it.

827
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 2: I guess true.

828
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 9: And he I was surprised to find this. He said,

829
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 9: how come nobody ever interviewed me? Yeah, nobody her interviewed

830
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 9: him but for that investigation. And you know, he would

831
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 9: have said that he heard no warnings issued. Mike, with

832
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 9: your law enforcement background, you know that it's protocol to

833
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 9: you know, yellow as a person stop or all shoot

834
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 9: or stop, you know, escalation of force. Right, You're supposed

835
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 9: to try to get the person to she was not armed,

836
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 9: and that would have been his statement, he told me.

837
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 9: But no one ever asked him.

838
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: Yep, I get it.

839
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 1: He got nineteen months, the judge reduced it to six months,

840
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 1: and then of course he got the commutation or pardoned.

841
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: You which one was it, Janis? I think it was

842
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 2: a full pardon wasn't it.

843
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 9: I think, yes, he was already actually out of prison

844
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 9: when the pardons came out. But he told me, in fact,

845
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 9: this is what I wrote about him last year, that

846
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 9: it still helped him because he would have still been

847
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 9: on probation, required to go through your analysis, not allowed

848
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 9: to leave Ohio. Things like that, gotcha?

849
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: Anything else on Alexander Shepherd before we move on to

850
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: Paul Hodgkin's Well, you know this isn't.

851
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 9: In this story. It was in one of my previous

852
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 9: stories about alex but he pointed out that it was

853
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 9: really touching to him. He could not believe he received

854
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 9: letters from people as far away whole ind Wow, you know,

855
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 9: expressing concern for what happened here in America with the

856
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 9: January six ers, which I thought was quite fascinating.

857
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 5: Yeah.

858
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: Really, And it looks like he's put it behind him

859
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: as much as he can and moving on with his life.

860
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: Is that accurate?

861
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 9: I guess for all, Like I said, he thought that

862
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 9: he you know, would have been further along in life

863
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 9: now because again, he had started his own company right

864
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 9: before January sixth happened. He's just been working restaurant jobs.

865
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 9: He didn't want to go into detail with me, but

866
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 9: he said he has another business venture kind of on

867
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 9: the horizon. And I've had periodic conversations with him on

868
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 9: and off over the months, and you know, it seemed

869
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 9: to be a very forthright young man when I've spoken

870
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 9: to him.

871
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 2: Good.

872
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Speaker 1: Hey, listen, this is a good place to take a

873
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Speaker 1: break for the news when we come back. We've got

874
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Speaker 1: three more stories Janis is going to tell us about,

875
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Speaker 1: so we'll do that when we get back. Mike Allen's

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Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW ten thirty six News Radio seven hundred

877
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Speaker 1: WLW Mike Allen Saturday Midday. Hey, just wanted to remind

878
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Speaker 1: you we got a short show today. We're out of

879
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: here at eleven thirty because the eleven and ten UC

880
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881
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882
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 1: game is at noon, So let's get back to Janis. Heisell.

883
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: We are talking to Janis about the J six people

884
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: that their lives obviously altered in any number of ways,

885
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: and it's a real personal look at how this affected

886
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: these people. We are on Paul Hodgkin's The Third Janis

887
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: an interesting way that the FBI caught up with him,

888
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: if you could tell us about that?

889
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 9: Oh boy, when he had to say, all of these

890
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 9: people talk to me for like two hours. I was

891
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 9: really trying to keep the interview short, but they had

892
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 9: a lot they wanted to say. And it was towards

893
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 9: the end of the two hour interview that Paul told

894
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 9: me the story that I led with, which is how

895
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 9: I'll just I'm going to go ahead. Just early February

896
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 9: morning in twenty twenty one, in Tampa, Florida, Paul Hodgkins three,

897
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Speaker 9: awakened to the Saudi, had been dreading an insistent loud

898
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Speaker 9: banging on his front door. He knew the FBI had

899
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 9: caught up with him for entering the Senate Chamber of

900
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 9: the US Capitol on January sixth, six weeks prior. Wearing

901
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 9: only a towel around his waist, he opened the door.

902
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 9: Officer Yell turned to put his hands up, tried to

903
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 9: comply while still keeping his elbows pinned into that towel,

904
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Speaker 9: but he handtucked me behind my back, Hodgkins said, and

905
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 9: left me standing naked in my living room when they

906
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 9: all came barreling in. I didn't put this in the story,

907
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 9: but he said it was really really humiliating because there

908
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 9: were even females wow part of this, and you know,

909
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 9: he just he was he knew that this knock would

910
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 9: probably becoming some days because he realized when he got

911
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 9: into the Senate chamber that he probably shouldn't have followed

912
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 9: the crowd in there. But he was still feeling overwhelmed

913
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 9: and embarrassed and humiliated by all of this. Again, he's

914
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 9: just sort of a regular guy, right, no criminal record,

915
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 9: just going through his life, living in Florida, and he

916
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 9: became the very first person who was sentenced for January

917
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 9: sixth because he had said his attorney like pressured him

918
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 9: to just take a please, so he did, even though

919
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 9: he didn't really want it to. He kind of regrets

920
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 9: that now, I think, but you can't, you know, take

921
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 9: it back. And sure, so because of that notoriety of

922
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 9: being the very first January sixth for all the media

923
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 9: descended upon this guy, including media from the UK, came

924
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 9: and took pictures of him.

925
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 2: And his girlfriend, you know, and.

926
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Speaker 9: So he was again feeling so shocked by all that.

927
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Speaker 1: I can't imagine, I mean, can you imagine that happening?

928
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you there are ways around that. I'm

929
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: kind of loath to criticize the tactics of the FBI.

930
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: I support him, but there's absolutely no reason whatsoever for that.

931
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: And his decision was the last minute decision to go

932
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Speaker 1: to the capitol, wasn't it he chartered I caught a

933
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: chartered bus to DC.

934
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 9: Yes, that's what he said. And again, out of the

935
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 9: five I spoke, so I believe at least four, if

936
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 9: not all five, told me that they made a last

937
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 9: minute decision. Their argument is, how was I part of

938
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 9: quote unquote an insurrection may colast minuted decision. They think

939
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 9: it's ridiculous, is what they told me.

940
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 2: That's a very good point.

941
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Speaker 1: And he also says too that like the rest of them,

942
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: he doesn't regret standing up. His words were from your story.

943
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: He doesn't regret standing up for his country.

944
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Speaker 9: Yeah, and that is exactly how he feels. And he

945
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 9: and one other of the five people are hucks. You

946
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 9: did go to memorial service for Ashley Babbitt and others

947
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 9: who died that day. There's been some you know, there

948
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 9: were some controversial that's a lot of you don't realize.

949
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 9: There were no police officers killed that day. Yeah, none,

950
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 9: that is a fact. The one officer who died the

951
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 9: next day died of no injuries or anything related to

952
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 9: the uprising or breach from the Capitol where everyone to

953
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 9: call it. He died actually of two strokes.

954
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: That's right, and I remember that. I'm glad you refreshed

955
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: my recollection on that. Well, he said, mister Hodgkins did that.

956
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 1: He lost his job, but he's lucky enough to get

957
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 1: another one. He also pointed out that he's got a

958
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: lot of online haters.

959
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 2: Did he get into any detail on that one?

960
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 9: Janis somewhat, But we kind of moved on from that

961
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 9: because again, I was on the phone with the people

962
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 9: for like two hours. Yeah, there's only so much I

963
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 9: can say about that without trying to like get comments

964
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:01,919
Speaker 9: from those people, and.

965
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 2: No idea get that.

966
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 9: So Yeah, but you know, he has not led any

967
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 9: kind of a necessarily normal life because he's high profile

968
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 9: just because he was there and the first one to

969
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 9: be sentenced.

970
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: Especially gotcha, now, he met President Trump, didn't he at

971
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: a dinner in twenty twenty three?

972
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 9: Yeah, he said he didn't give me the details on

973
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 9: how that happened, but he said he got invited to

974
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 9: a dinner at mar A Lago, and he said there

975
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 9: was sort of a hint that Trump gave him the

976
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 9: idea because he said Trump found out he was a

977
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 9: January sixth er and said something like he would quote

978
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 9: take care of it or something like that. So that

979
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 9: made him think that the pardon would be coming, and

980
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 9: it did after Trump's got Neil back in.

981
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 2: Office, you know, unlike some of the other ones.

982
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: I think the last part of your story with him

983
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: is he doesn't seem to be bitter.

984
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 9: Is that no, Yeah, he said he leads a very

985
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 9: blessed life. The other ones, I don't know how much

986
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 9: I would call it bitterness because they don't regret that

987
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,919
Speaker 9: they went. They still all of them said they don't

988
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 9: regret they went right. But I think he feels a

989
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,919
Speaker 9: little more optimistic. A lot of them just feel kind

990
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 9: of like, my life has been a shamble and it's

991
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 9: really hard, but I'm trying my best, and he seems

992
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 9: a little more optimistic.

993
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 2: Gotcha boy.

994
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: The next one here, the only female that you wrote about,

995
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: Sarah Carpenter, who is a retired New York police officer.

996
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 1: She kind of was a high profile as high profile goes,

997
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 1: I guess in this thing you know, I've read about

998
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: her before this, but tell us about Sarah Carpenter.

999
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 2: It's kind of an interesting story.

1000
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:53,240
Speaker 9: Well, she got convicted of two felonies and five misdemeanors,

1001
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 9: and she said that all she did was basically yell

1002
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 9: and kind of let her along with the movements of

1003
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 9: the crowd. She was accused of slapping an officer's arm.

1004
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:06,399
Speaker 9: She has publicly challenged anyone to produce a video proving that,

1005
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,439
Speaker 9: and to this day she says, no, no such video

1006
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 9: as surface. I wasn't able to find any, she said,

1007
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 9: all I don't regret what I did. I yelled, I

1008
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 9: raised my voice. That's so said. She prayed at the Capitol,

1009
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 9: which is interesting. She is a from an Irish Catholic

1010
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 9: New York family, and you know she said she spent

1011
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 9: some prayers that day and was on her knees doing that.

1012
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: Very interesting in your story that she said she wasn't

1013
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: tried by a judge or a jury. She was tried

1014
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 1: by what she refers to as activists. I can get

1015
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: where she's coming from on that. Janis, I don't know

1016
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 1: how you would get a fair jury in DC and

1017
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: her being a former police officer. I guess she picked

1018
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: up on that wasn't tried by a judge or a jury.

1019
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: She was tried by activists.

1020
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 9: That's exactly how she feels. And I think one of

1021
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 9: the most interesting things about her is she said that

1022
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 9: she's conflicted over having been pardoned because to her, she

1023
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 9: feels she did absolutely nothing wrong. That the people who

1024
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 9: she believes other people did run things to kind of

1025
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 9: set this whole thing up into her mind and her opinion.

1026
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 9: And she said, I got pardon for something that wasn't

1027
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 9: a crime, and it implied that she did the crime,

1028
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 9: and she's still kind of struggling with that.

1029
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: She says she was accused of actually like slapping an officer,

1030
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: but obviously, based on what she just said, she doesn't

1031
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: think that that's accurate. She didn't do that, and she

1032
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: claims that she was only yelling. Is that what her

1033
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,439
Speaker 1: take on it is from that perspective.

1034
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, she did yell quite a bit. She was upset

1035
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 9: because even though she hadn't been a police officer for

1036
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 9: a long time. On a previous story I did with her,

1037
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 9: she was talking to me in detail about things that

1038
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 9: she observed that were not following police protocol. She felt

1039
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 9: that they were actually escalating tensions with the crowd instead

1040
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 9: of de escalating, and she didn't feel they were doing

1041
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 9: their jobs correctly and they didn't seem prepared, weren't paying attention,

1042
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 9: she said, some of them. So she was pretty critical

1043
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 9: of the police.

1044
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of people were.

1045
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 2: I remember early on her talking about that.

1046
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: And also in your story, you point out that she

1047
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: actually responded to the nine to eleven attacks and suffered

1048
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: some trauma. I guess that was the reason for one

1049
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: of the reasons for her being retired. Is that an

1050
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: accurate summation, you think, yeah, yeah, it is.

1051
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 9: And she actually said that somebody at the somebody in

1052
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 9: the crowd or whatever she thinks, maybe a plant or

1053
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 9: an agitator, said something about comparing that event to nine

1054
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 9: to eleven, and she went off of the trauma she

1055
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 9: experienced at that event. So she said it did inflame

1056
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 9: her passions and influenced how she reacted. And you know,

1057
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 9: she admits that she she kind of lost her cool

1058
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 9: and just went off. Yep, Like she doesn't think anything

1059
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 9: she did arose to the level of criminal behavior.

1060
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: Now, obviously I wasn't there when you interviewed her, but

1061
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: she kind of comes across as a live wire.

1062
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 2: You think that's a good description.

1063
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 9: She is a kind of a deep thinker. She's artistics.

1064
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 9: She actually, before she became a police officer, went to

1065
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 9: school and got a degree in art and she is

1066
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 9: now trying to use her art to convey she says

1067
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 9: messages of hope, and so she's definitely a different person.

1068
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 9: I wouldn't necessarily call her a live wire, but I

1069
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 9: would say she she's got that strong New York attitude,

1070
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 9: like like I'm going to stand up for what I

1071
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 9: believe in like that.

1072
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 2: I definitely has that, and like at least one other one.

1073
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: She does public speaking now about January sixth, Did she

1074
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: tell you that?

1075
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, she did. And one of the things that she said,

1076
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 9: the reason she feels is important to do that is

1077
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 9: because she doesn't want them to quote them whoever they

1078
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:27,959
Speaker 9: is to get away with falsely characterizing what happened that day.

1079
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 9: And she had a very interesting idea. She said she

1080
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 9: thinks that school children need to be taught both sides

1081
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 9: of the January sixth stories and instead of just the

1082
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 9: one sided narrative that's out there. According to her and

1083
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 9: several of the.

1084
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 2: Others, I couldn't agree more, but good luck with that.

1085
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: Last, but not least certainly Robert Moore's RSS. He's was

1086
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: nicknamed the Lego Man. Can you tell us about that

1087
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Speaker 1: and why he got that moniker?

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Speaker 9: So it was kind of interesting for me to see

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Speaker 9: the actual official court document that showed they seized the

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Speaker 9: FBI seized a Lego model of the US Capitol from

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Speaker 9: this guy. And interestingly, the very first document that was

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Speaker 9: filed in his case that mentions the evidence sees that

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Speaker 9: included that claimed that the Lego model was quote fully assembled. However,

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Speaker 9: shortly thereafter they corrected it and said it was still

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Speaker 9: in the box. He said he never took it out

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Speaker 9: of the box, that a girlfriend had purchased it for

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Speaker 9: him sometime prior to this, and he's a history buff

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Speaker 9: and in loved legos and that's why she got it

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Speaker 9: for him, and he just had the box propped up

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Speaker 9: and non display right. And then on the year anniversary

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Speaker 9: of his arrest or four year annivers of his arrest,

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Speaker 9: after he was partnered, like last year, in the summertime,

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Speaker 9: he finally gets his personal property back, including this Lego box.

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Speaker 9: But the box was empty. Yeah, and he thinks that

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Speaker 9: somebody in some federal office has it like a trophy

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Speaker 9: on the desk somewhere, you know what.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're supposed to get that property back afterwards.

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Speaker 1: I hope she pushed that because that's not right.

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Speaker 9: She was schee either. They're like, I think that the

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Speaker 9: original price was something like one hundred and fiftyars or

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Speaker 9: two hundred maybe death to three hundred dollars. And now

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Speaker 9: he said, yeah, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, he got five and a half years because of

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Speaker 1: the pardon. He served three and a half years. Kind

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Speaker 1: of interesting how he kind of took care of things

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Speaker 1: when he got out of there, said he quit drinking,

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Speaker 1: became a public speaker, and he met his future wife

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Speaker 1: at one of the speeches.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, another January sixer. He said that, you know, it

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Speaker 9: became obvious that it's hard to get anybody to understand

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Speaker 9: what you've been through as a January sixer unless this

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Speaker 9: other person's also a January sixer. And he has started

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Speaker 9: a movie production company, has auctioned up these lego models,

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Speaker 9: and people want autographs of it. What's interesting, too, is

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Speaker 9: he and others are kind of saying, wait a minute,

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Speaker 9: they were trying the implication by seizing that as evidence,

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Speaker 9: is that somehow a Lego model would help plan an insurrection,

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Speaker 9: and he's just saying how ridiculous that is.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, and interestingly enough, you mentioned the production company.

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Speaker 1: It's called Lego Man Productions. I guess he's really capitalized

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Speaker 1: on that. I don't blame him one bit.

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Speaker 2: What do you think, Well, he can't.

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Speaker 9: Help it because the name. It's one of those situations

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Speaker 9: where the name stuck. He became kind of like this

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Speaker 9: internet sensation as Lego Man, and so now that's his

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Speaker 9: name of his production company that he has started.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's doing public speaking too. Also.

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Speaker 1: I think it's important to point out he's a former

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Speaker 1: Army ranger who served three deployments in Afghanistan. You know,

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Speaker 1: in court that ought account for something. I don't know

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Speaker 1: that it did. I don't know enough about it to

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Speaker 1: say whether it did or not in this case, but

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Speaker 1: that should count for something.

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Speaker 9: I think, Yeah, yeah, I didn't want to try to

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Speaker 9: relitigate any of these cases because it's kind of water

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Speaker 9: over the days. The goal is to try to focuslessly

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Speaker 9: on just how how does this continue to affect these people?

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Speaker 9: A year after being partnered by the President of the

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Speaker 9: United States.

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Speaker 1: You know, he makes the point that I think a

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Speaker 1: couple of others made that although he's doing well, he's

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Speaker 1: still kind of struggling financially. You heard that from more

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01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: than one of these Jay sixers, didn't you.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, they had legal expenses, and you know, again a

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01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 9: lot of places don't want to employ them at you know,

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01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 9: good jobs and things like that. So yeah, it's definitely

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01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 9: been a struggle financially for these people. In more waste

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Speaker 9: than one I got you.

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Speaker 2: Hey, we got about two and a half minutes left.

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Speaker 1: Janis anything that you'd like to say wrapping this up

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Speaker 1: about the experience? Is it something that obviously it's your profession,

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Speaker 1: But did you enjoy it? I mean, did enjoy meeting

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Speaker 1: these people and hearing their stories?

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Speaker 9: Yeah? It really opened my eyes, even though I've read

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Speaker 9: quite a bit about January sixth, and it opened my

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01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 9: eyes to the fact that you would think that all

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Speaker 9: these years later, we would know, you know, a lot

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Speaker 9: of all facts, and it seems like a lot of

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Speaker 9: it has still been suppressed. I mean, look at the

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Speaker 9: pipe bomb situation that's still developing.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 9: They're saying that that thing was never even capable of exploding.

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Speaker 9: So that's going to be a hard case to prove yea,

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Speaker 9: you know, if this isn't really capable of being.

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Speaker 1: An explosive Well, yeah, and as you mentioned earlier, they

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Speaker 1: got the pardons and that got him out of jail.

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Speaker 1: But there's at least one I believe, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it was him or not, that is still or

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Speaker 1: once to at least go forward on the appeal. That's

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Speaker 1: kind of like the PG Sittenfeld situation here. He got

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Speaker 1: a presidential pardon, but he wants to keep going. I mean,

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Speaker 1: to totally clear his name. I thought there was one

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Speaker 1: of them out of your five that said they were

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Speaker 1: pursuing it or wanted to.

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Speaker 7: Yes.

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Speaker 9: Sarah Carpenter said she was thinking about the NYPD retired

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01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 9: officer okay, and she knows of some other people who

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Speaker 9: are two. But then again, there's a huge legal costs

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Speaker 9: to that, big time extra stress, and so will they

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Speaker 9: really go through it. She didn't seem like she had

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Speaker 9: made up her mind exactly.

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Speaker 2: Got you.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Jannis, this has been great. It's

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Speaker 1: been informative, educational. Certainly was for me. I really haven't

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01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 1: read enough I think about Jay six, so we really

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Speaker 1: really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Spending the whole hour with us too.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, my job to try to bring out a side

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Speaker 9: of the story that hasn't been told. And I think

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Speaker 9: that this has been ignored by a lot of media

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Speaker 9: outlets for sure.

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Speaker 1: Well I'll tell you what mission accomplished, because it does

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Speaker 1: tell the other side of the story.

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Speaker 2: And again we thank you.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Janis, we will catch up with you next time

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01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: and see what's going on in Minnesota.

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Speaker 9: Oh yeah, I'm still busy with that for sure.

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Speaker 1: Okay, thanks again, Janis, take good care, Thank you mate.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Janis Heisel of the Epoch Times.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not just saying that this is really interesting

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01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 1: to me and informative. I might go out and get

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Speaker 1: mister Moore's book. I don't know if I asked Janis

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01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: about that. He wrote a book of five hundred and

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Speaker 1: sixty five pages about his experience. It talks about the

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Speaker 1: case itself and also prison. So again, I really appreciate

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Speaker 1: Janis's time. Hey, we got to take a break for

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Speaker 1: the news. But when we get back, we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk to Christopher Smithman. Something's bugging him and I suspect

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Speaker 1: whatever it is, it bugs the heck out of me too,

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Speaker 1: and We'll talk to Christopher when we get back. Mike Allen,

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Speaker 1: Saturday Midday.

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Speaker 2: The news Radio seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 1: Mike Allen Saturday Midday, closing half hour of saying we

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Speaker 1: got a short show because the eleven and ten uc

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Speaker 1: Bearcats are taking.

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Speaker 2: On the eight and two and tenth.

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Speaker 1: Rank Houston Cougar's. Our coverage begins at eleven thirty. The

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Speaker 1: game is at noon. But more importantly, Christopher smitheman, he's upset,

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01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,680
Speaker 1: he's mad about something, and he shared what it is

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Speaker 1: with me, and boy, I am too, Christopher, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for calling in.

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Speaker 8: Hey, Mike, thanks for having me on kiss morning. And

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Speaker 8: you know, I hope you're staying warm with all this

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Speaker 8: cold weather.

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Speaker 1: Brutal man, I am. I just this is the weather

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Speaker 1: that I hate the most. I mean, are you doing okay?

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, doing just fine, making common sense decisions, being

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Speaker 8: safe and not. You know, we're going to talk a

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Speaker 8: little bit about drivers, and I'm not I'm not riding

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Speaker 8: on the back of the back of cars.

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Speaker 1: Just being careful, gotcha. That is the first thing I

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Speaker 1: wanted to talk about driving. What is your upset level

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Speaker 1: if you will with driving, because if if I if

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Speaker 1: it's what I think it is.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to chime into, Yeah.

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Speaker 8: It's a ten. I mean, I just think people are

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Speaker 8: not recognizing black ice. They're they're they're they're still driving

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Speaker 8: well over the speed limit, you know, just not being

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Speaker 8: responsible out here. When you have weather like this, you

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Speaker 8: have to slow down. You got to give yourself more

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Speaker 8: time to get where you're going. And uh, I've been

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01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 8: frustrated because you know, when you stay off the roads,

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Speaker 8: it's one thing, but right now, you know, you can

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Speaker 8: get out here and drive, but you still have to

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Speaker 8: respect the weather. And I think it's something about Cincinnati.

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Speaker 8: Maybe we just don't get this kind of cold weather.

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Speaker 8: We don't get this kind of snow on a regular basis,

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Speaker 8: and people out here are just not respecting. And I'm

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Speaker 8: sure the police out here, Mike, are running into that people.

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Speaker 8: I've seen so many cars and snow banks and right

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Speaker 8: you know, off the road. I saw one on almost

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Speaker 8: right off fifty that was on its side up against

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Speaker 8: the under a bridge. I mean, I mean there's some

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Speaker 8: there's some pretty bad rets out here, and I think

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Speaker 8: it has a lot to do. It's just speedy.

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Speaker 2: With respect to the city of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: I think we got to give them kudos for their

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Speaker 1: job in the snow removal. We both have been critical

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Speaker 1: on occasion, but and I lived real close to the city,

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Speaker 1: drive around quite a bit, and sure looks like they

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Speaker 1: did a good job on that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think I definitely think there was a better

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Speaker 8: job with the with the snow removal. I think we

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Speaker 8: still have to put a plan together for our side

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Speaker 8: streets because a lot of our schools like Seating and

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Speaker 8: Elder were closed, not because of the the bad streets,

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Speaker 8: but it's the side streets that weren't plowed out, and

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Speaker 8: that's where the students park, right and you can't get

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Speaker 8: into the school, can't get into the back drive of Elder,

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Speaker 8: you can't get into the main driveway of Seating if

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Speaker 8: those side streets aren't plowed. So we just got to

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Speaker 8: put a plan together. What is that when we get

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Speaker 8: a level of snow like this, Like, how do you

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Speaker 8: prioritize our schools around us and at least make sure

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Speaker 8: that the kids are plowed out so that we can

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Speaker 8: open up school faster kind of.

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Speaker 1: In a broader sense with respect to driving. And then

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Speaker 1: and then I'll move on. I'll tell you what Christopher

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Speaker 1: in the last three or four years, I guess, and

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Speaker 1: it gets progressively worse. And again it seems like it's

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Speaker 1: more pronounced in the city of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: And that is the way people drive. I'll tell you

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Speaker 2: what I mean.

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Speaker 1: They come flying by me, not just on the highway,

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Speaker 1: but on side streets, not using turn signals, writing on

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Speaker 1: your tail, and I think that's one of the reasons,

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Speaker 1: I think for so much road rage, and I just

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Speaker 1: wonder what the heck's going on with that. I do

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Speaker 1: think part of it is that the city CPD they're

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Speaker 1: not enforcing the traffic laws like they used to.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, that's just my hang up.

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Speaker 8: No, I think you're right about that. I think there's

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Speaker 8: a clear message from city hall to not enforce those

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Speaker 8: kinds of things. And then if it's not a formal piece,

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Speaker 8: it's an informal I mean, police officers know that if

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Speaker 8: they pull a car over and things go sideways just

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Speaker 8: even a little bit, that the officer most likely will

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Speaker 8: be thrown under the bus yep. And so officers are

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Speaker 8: human beings. I mean, it's not forget these aren't robots.

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Speaker 8: They believe they're very doubt into politics, and they're asking

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Speaker 8: themselves you know, if I pull that car over, what

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Speaker 8: am I stepping into? And will the electeds and will

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Speaker 8: the citizens of Cincinnati support me if things go sideways?

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Speaker 8: And a lot of these young people out here, when

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Speaker 8: I say young whatever that whatever young means to you.

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Speaker 8: To me, it's like below the age of thirty. Uh,

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Speaker 8: you know, their respect for officers. And this is not

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Speaker 8: everybody with the broad brush, but my sense is that

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01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 8: it's at a lower level than it was when I

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01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 8: was a kid. Police officer walked up to me and

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Speaker 8: asked me for my name. I told the officer my name.

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Speaker 8: There wasn't agitation if I if you pull it ad

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01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 8: all over and say hey, I'd like to see your

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Speaker 8: driver's license. You comply, You give your driver's license, your registration.

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Speaker 8: Now it's wired. Why did you pull me over? I

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01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 8: want to go back and see my you know what

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01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 8: the what the what? The speed gun you had on

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01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 8: me was showing I'm not going to give you my registration.

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Speaker 8: I mean, there's I'm not going to put my seat

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Speaker 8: belt on. I mean, there's just a lot of bantering

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Speaker 8: out there with officers when they're giving basic instructions. It's

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01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 8: incredibly dangerous.

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Speaker 1: My gallan right now, you have no question about it,

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01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 1: and I'll say this and then move on. I have

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Speaker 1: to about three or four younger CPD officers about it. Obviously,

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01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say who they are that tell

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01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 1: me that that's exactly the reason why there's not a

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01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 1: lot of traffic enforcement anymore, for the reasons you just

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01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 1: laid out. So I think that's at the root of

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01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 1: this absolutely horrific driving in the city.

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Speaker 2: But let me move on here.

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01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 1: City Council, are they again sticking their nose in national issues?

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Speaker 2: Christopher, Yeah, Mike.

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Speaker 8: Mike Allan, I think there's these resolutions that are non binding,

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01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 8: so they're not legal, you know one, you know, addressing

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01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 8: ice and what ice can do or can't do. Meaning

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Speaker 8: I just want everybody to understand that city Council has

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01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 8: no authority over the federal government. Okay, this is overreaching.

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Speaker 8: I'd like to hear from places like the Charter Committee,

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01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 8: who they're the Good Government Committee. I think they should

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01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:02,640
Speaker 8: be releasing statements every time city Council comes out with

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01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 8: these kinds of resolutions. But you know, in a meek

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01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 8: As brief and filing and and uh and and what

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01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 8: is happening in Minneapolis or Minnesota this past week. I

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01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 8: just think it's so reckless. You know, you're you're not

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01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 8: even handling the business of our city the way you should,

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01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 8: and now you're you're, you're, you're filing legal actions in

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Speaker 8: other states, and it's just mind boggling to me. I

1360
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 8: want to be just real clear, Mike. I support the police,

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Speaker 8: I support our officers. I support the FBI, I supported

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Speaker 8: the DEA, I support ICE. We've got people have got

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01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 8: to put a voice behind these people. These are human

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01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:52,640
Speaker 8: beings with families, and this mob mentality that's going on,

1365
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 8: that's almost it feels like if you come out and

1366
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:59,799
Speaker 8: you say you support law enforcement, this mob mentality believes

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01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 8: that they can then come and confronts you, destroy you,

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Speaker 8: attack you. You know, I mean just me saying I

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01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:13,719
Speaker 8: support law enforcement, which includes ICE. And every president before

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Speaker 8: this president supported ICE did deportations aggressively, whether that was

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Speaker 8: President Barack Obama, whether that was President Clinton, or whether

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Speaker 8: it was President Bush, both Bushes. This notion that all

1373
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,719
Speaker 8: of a sudden they've discovered Ice. ICE has been here,

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01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 8: has been operating in our cities with every presidents that

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Speaker 8: has ever served. And so I don't understand the energy

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01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 8: I think it's it's manufactured. I think this is about power.

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Speaker 8: Mike Allen, I think it's about the mid term elections.

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Speaker 8: I think it's about ginning up the Democratic base. They

1379
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 8: feel that they don't have power. They're trying to take

1380
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 8: the Congress back, they're trying to take the Senate, and

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Speaker 8: they will use anybody in order to achieve that. And

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Speaker 8: so that is what I'm seeing out hereally, because I

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01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 8: want to emphasize, there won't be anybody that calls in

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01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 8: behind me and says President Barack Obama didn't do the

1385
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 8: same thing that President Clinton didn't speak about this and

1386
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Speaker 8: address it and do the same thing. So what is

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01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 8: going on right now I think is just about power

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01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 8: and using people to act as if this is different.

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Speaker 2: No question about it.

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Speaker 1: And earlier in the show and my rant, I got

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Speaker 1: a clip of President Obama in twenty ten talking about

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Speaker 1: the issue, and if you close your eyes and use

1393
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 1: your imagination, it sounded like Donald J.

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Speaker 2: Trump.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he said, hey, you know, I

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01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 1: get the jobs thing, but what about the people that

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Speaker 1: did it the right way?

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Speaker 2: And the backup there?

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Speaker 1: I mean, and my recollection, maybe I'm wrong, Christopher, he

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01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 1: never got a crap as I remember for immigration, and

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01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 1: my goodness, what they're upon this administration is awful.

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Speaker 2: It is such a situation of hypocrisy. I think.

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Speaker 8: No, I agree, and I hope that you continue to

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01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 8: play those kinds of clips from any previous president, particularly

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01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 8: Democratic presidents, because you know you have the I don't know,

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01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 8: they're the base of the Democratic Party. I don't want

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01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 8: to say what their position is, but whatever it is,

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01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:29,759
Speaker 8: they are ginning this up. And you're looking like Tom

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01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 8: Holden is that his name home, he's working Homan. Tom Holman,

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01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 8: who is currently working with President Trump, was also working

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01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 8: with President Obama, and President Obama bestowed upon him a

1412
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 8: very high presidential award. But when you say that to Democrats,

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01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 8: when you articulate that, they get angry. It's almost like

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01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 8: the facts I'm laying. It's like you're you are a

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01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:57,800
Speaker 8: lawyer and you're in court, Mike, and you're laying out

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01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 8: here are the facts they get angry about. Oh, I

1417
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 8: know that, as if I'm a traitor or something like,

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01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:07,719
Speaker 8: I'm literally just telling you the facts. This is what happened.

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01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what my experience with liberals has

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01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 1: always been, with exceptions that they don't think that they

1421
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:19,680
Speaker 1: could possibly be wrong. It's almost impossible to get a

1422
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,839
Speaker 1: lefty to listen to your side of the argument.

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01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 2: And that's just been my experience.

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01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 1: But I wanted to ask you to speaking of mob justice,

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01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 1: if you've seen this. Portland, Oregon has a new mayor female,

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01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 1: I forget what her name is, extremely extremely liberal, probably

1427
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:42,799
Speaker 1: make the New York mayor look like Rudy Giuliani. Anyway,

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01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:47,640
Speaker 1: she put out this plan and they announced it. I

1429
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 1: guess the situation in Portland is that the mayor has

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01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 1: a lot of control of the police department like it

1431
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 1: is here now didn't used to be at any rate.

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01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:02,759
Speaker 1: She is in instructing or the chief of police from

1433
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 1: her is instructing officers Portland police officers to observe ice agents,

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01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:15,640
Speaker 1: take notes. And here's the really offensive thing. Take pictures

1435
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 1: of these ice agents when they're doing their job, whether

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01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:24,839
Speaker 1: it's whether it's a fighting situation or not, which boils

1437
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 1: down to cop against cop, because ice agents are law

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01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 1: enforcement agents. In my wildest dreams, Christopher Smithlan, I never

1439
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 1: thought I would see that, But here we are, Here

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01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 1: we are, and.

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01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 8: This you know you I'm going to I'm going to

1442
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 8: pivot back to your analysis of what you're seeing on

1443
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 8: the left. What is also alarming with that is the

1444
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 8: violence that they're coming with. So let's let's acknowledge that,

1445
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 8: you know, you see this level of violence that's coming

1446
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 8: from them throwing bricks, throwing ice, bricks, throwing whatever at

1447
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 8: ice office that you're seeing out here. So the level

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01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 8: of is not just the rhetoric, right. The rhetoric is

1449
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 8: one thing. Is the actions of violence that we have

1450
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 8: to continue to denounce that we're seeing from this. These

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01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 8: are peaceful people standing on the sidewalk singing we shall

1452
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 8: overcome like doctor Martin Luther King Junior was doing. What

1453
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 8: you see here are people with a mob mentality that

1454
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:27,639
Speaker 8: are willing to attack you and hurts you and even

1455
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 8: kill you in some circumstances. In these mobs. No, I

1456
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 8: would never believe that I would see anyone impeding going

1457
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 8: to your topic, impeding a federal officer and doing their job.

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01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 8: That's against the law. There is a lawless mentality that

1459
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:48,640
Speaker 8: is going on right now, Mike Allen. It is illegal

1460
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 8: for you to impede any officer who's doing their job.

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01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 8: These people that are pulling their cars up and blockading

1462
01:21:56,479 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 8: any officer, local, federal, state officer is all illegal, right,

1463
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:05,040
Speaker 8: and you can be arrested for that. The problem is

1464
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 8: that the judges in those areas are letting them out.

1465
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 8: They know it. I get arrested, I go to the judge,

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Speaker 8: it just finds me not guilty, won't press the prosecutors

1467
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 8: won't press charges, and they let the people out. This

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01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 8: is even after you spit on an officer, you kick

1469
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 8: the back of their vehicle and knock out their lights, right,

1470
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 8: you cuss them out, you hit them in the head

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Speaker 8: with a brick, They'll go right before these liberal judges

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Speaker 8: in those areas that you're talking about by Portland Orton,

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Speaker 8: and the judges will release them.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 8: What do you think that does to those officers? Exist?

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01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 1: Then you talk about moral then yeah, bring down morale.

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01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I mean. I don't if I

1478
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 1: were starting all over again, Christopher, I would not want

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01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:47,519
Speaker 1: to be a police officer in today's day and age.

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01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 1: But having said that, and you and I have talked

1481
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:52,599
Speaker 1: about this, I'm pretty sure I saw a news story

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01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 1: just in Passing where CPD put on I guess fifty

1483
01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 1: plus officers.

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01:22:58,400 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 2: Did you see that?

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01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:04,680
Speaker 8: I didn't, But here's here. Here, here's what we will say. Well,

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01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 8: if we have the best training in the state of Ohio,

1487
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:12,879
Speaker 8: forgive me Columbus. Forgive me Columbus, Ohio. If you're listening

1488
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 8: to us, I'm from Cincinnati, and I believe we have

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01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:19,599
Speaker 8: the best training for police officers, you know. And I'm

1490
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 8: just kidding with Columbus. They have a phenomenal program there.

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01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:26,720
Speaker 8: But the reality of it is that, you know, it's

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01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:31,880
Speaker 8: harder and harder for us to recruit peace officers across

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01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 8: the United States of America. And I think that's what

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01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 8: you're getting to, Mike Allum, And I get it because

1495
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 8: you understand that a mistake out here. Right when I

1496
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 8: say a mistake to the public, I'm saying someone gets someone.

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01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:48,640
Speaker 8: You're engaging in a traffic stopping. No traffic stop is

1498
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:52,640
Speaker 8: ever normal. Like the windows are tinted, there's somebody in

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01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 8: the back, possibly with a gun pointed at you. You

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01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:58,120
Speaker 8: have no idea. It's terrifying out there, and it's dark.

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01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 8: You let those windows down, and all of a sudden

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01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 8: you have this agitation, this aggression that's happening, and what

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01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 8: you think is a weapon isn't. It's a fillfall it's

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01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 8: black and that officer makes a mistake. They don't just

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01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 8: destroy the officer, they try to destroy the entire family.

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Speaker 2: It's just we're out of time, chrispher I'm sorry, we are.

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01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 1: I could talk to you all afternoon, but thanks so

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01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:23,760
Speaker 1: much for calling in and end.

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Speaker 8: Let me end. Let me end with something positive. So

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Speaker 8: on a positive note, we're ending up the seat and

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Speaker 8: swim meet with a great swim team. Hats off to

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Speaker 8: UH coach Schaeffer and and and to all the swim

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Speaker 8: teams across the region. So there are a lot of

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Speaker 8: great athletic stuff going on, but I just wanted to

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Speaker 8: give a shout out to Seaton. All Right, Mike Allen

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Speaker 8: for the time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Christopher, thank you very much. All Right, we are

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Speaker 1: out of here. The following this, you're going to have

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Speaker 1: the pregame thing for the basketball game, you see, and

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Speaker 1: then at noon the game.

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Speaker 2: Mike