1 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: At all Bros. 2 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 2: Merges av Or Scott on a gun run, heads to 3 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: the right, slide across the line of scrimmage of the 4 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: thirty five and he'll evill bounce off a charger nicely. 5 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: That's a game of ten yards and the Vikings first down. 6 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 2: We're now down to ten seconds to go in the game, 7 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 2: and that's going to be as the Vikings won't run 8 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 2: another play. 9 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:37,319 Speaker 1: They're going to. 10 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: Hoist the white flag and the LA Chargers improved to 11 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 2: five and three. The Minnesota Vikings drop to three and 12 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 2: four after losing thirty seven ten to the LA Chargers. 13 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 3: That from last night at SOFI Stadium in Los Angeles, 14 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 3: that voice, yeah, should be familiar. It's the host tonight 15 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 3: in noon and he has found his way into the 16 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 3: familiar confines of the six five to one carpets plus studios. 17 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 3: How is the travel back then? 18 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 4: That that that end game highlight was like me asking 19 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 4: you saying, well, you talk dirty to me and then 20 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 4: you play something like that. I mean, because that that 21 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 4: was just it was a dirty situation last night from 22 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 4: all angles. And you know when when you you endure 23 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 4: a season through through seven games and this is this 24 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 4: is en route to becoming a bastard season. I mean, 25 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 4: this thing is bastardized at this stage of the equation. 26 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 4: Now they're going to get some people back for the 27 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 4: for the Lions game, but they're going to get some 28 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 4: people back for the Lions game. 29 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: It's still the Detroit Lions. 30 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 4: But the the bastardization of the the awkward nature of 31 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 4: this twenty twenty five Minnesota Viking season took a turn 32 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 4: last night where each and every game things are taking 33 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 4: a turn, and where I just and you know, this 34 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 4: doesn't mean like I'm new Rockney elite football mine, but 35 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 4: I mean I see coming zero. I mean it's it 36 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 4: was Kamani Vidal last night. Yep. And Trey Harris had 37 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 4: his first receiving touchdown. All right, he's a rookie and 38 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 4: maybe they'll like him. But Kamani Vidal, the Troy State 39 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 4: running back going for one seventeen a week after you 40 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 4: you hold Saquon Barkley's overall game to what you hold 41 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 4: it to, but then two receivers get lose for more 42 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 4: than one hundred and that is a game removed from 43 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 4: Cleveland almost beating you and Judkins putting up good numbers. 44 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 4: But he's supposed to do that. And then you get 45 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 4: back to Kenneth Gainwell. Kenneth Gainwell, I think he went 46 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 4: for one fourteen on the ground or something like that. 47 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 3: It was ninety nine, but it was. It was Daggers 48 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 3: all day. 49 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 4: It was the best game of his career, yes, And 50 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 4: it was the best game of Commani Vidal's career. And 51 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 4: it was the best game of this guy's career. And 52 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,399 Speaker 4: first time Jalen Hurts has done this, and for time 53 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 4: this guy has done that. It's just a lot of 54 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 4: firsts are flying in the face of the Vikings right now, 55 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 4: and you know they're not the first to endure things 56 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 4: like this. However, there they can't stop so much right now. 57 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 4: They can't get out of their own way with the 58 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 4: running game, no matter what iteration of the offensive line 59 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 4: is being used. They can't get themselves to take Carson 60 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 4: Wentz out of the game when he's grimacing and wincing, 61 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 4: and of course he's going to say, yes, I want 62 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 4: to stay in the game, because that's how all of 63 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 4: them are wired, right, And they can't get themselves to 64 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 4: do it. They can't get themselves to stop the pass 65 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 4: and then somebody run then uh, then they stop the 66 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 4: pass and somebody runs on them for large chunks, and 67 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 4: you know, it's it's the weaving trick up the middle 68 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 4: bye by the Patterson cat who just came up off 69 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 4: the practice squad. 70 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: And I'm Herbert. 71 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 4: Herbert's a really, really good runner, and and we all 72 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 4: knew that into the game. And you know, fantasy football people, 73 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 4: I'm sure you know look at his numbers and follow 74 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 4: it rather closely. But it's the way he sets up 75 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 4: the run. All right, well, you got us, Okay, you 76 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 4: got us. Hey, that was nice too, But then the 77 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 4: next six you're supposed to stop. The doll weaves his 78 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 4: way for three yards, but then it ends up being 79 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 4: eight or it ends up being eleven. All right, cool, 80 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 4: you get to make place too. Hey, that was a 81 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 4: good one too. But the next six we stop. That's 82 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 4: just none of that is happening. And it's just it's 83 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 4: it's malfunction junction all. 84 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: Over the place for the football team right now. 85 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 4: And and you know, I heard you say something on 86 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 4: fan line last night while I was sitting on the 87 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 4: bus waiting to go to the airport, and I think 88 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 4: you phrased it like Kevin O'Connell for the first time 89 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 4: in his career. 90 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: Here is facing true adversity. And you said it like that. 91 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,239 Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah, And I acknowledge significant adversity is twenty 92 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 3: twenty three, and I know what that was, but it's 93 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 3: just different. I think you're right, this is an entirely 94 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 3: different universe man with everything to build up and then 95 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 3: now what you're seeing here, I mean, I just picture it. 96 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 3: How excited this coach has been and all the ups 97 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 3: and downs, the initial injury with McCarthy, but how excited 98 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 3: he was to unveil the tenth overall pick and put 99 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 3: McCarthy in that spot Monday night at Soldier Field, with 100 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 3: the work that they did to compliment him front side 101 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 3: of the O line. We talked about that, Hargrave and Allen, 102 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 3: all the new faces as AA Rodgers. We get all 103 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 3: the bits how excited he was and what that looked like, 104 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 3: what that felt like all through camp and trials and tribulations, 105 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 3: to be certain, But now seven games into it, sixteen seventeen, 106 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 3: combinations of the offensive line, people wondering when Van Ginkle's 107 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 3: next going to be okay, the injuries and other spots, 108 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 3: are we getting enough out of that defensive interior at 109 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 3: this stage, the seventeenth overall pick from a couple of 110 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 3: years ago. 111 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: What's up with that? 112 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 3: In compliment to the pass rush, Grenard working harder than 113 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 3: he's ever worked before. It feels like in his life, 114 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 3: I mean, how good has he been? And what kind 115 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 3: of mountains is this cat climbing on? 116 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: Uh? 117 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 3: Just to replicate some of the pressure in the force 118 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 3: he provided a year ago. Man, And and just nothing 119 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 3: is working right now? And uh, And I just yes, 120 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 3: that's that's how I framed it up for the first 121 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 3: time in his coaching career. 122 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 5: Pa. 123 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 3: I just I'm seeing the coach deal with some of 124 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 3: the nastiest adversity and and and and just kind of 125 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 3: how he deals with that, not just it coming back 126 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 3: from LA last night, but moving forward, Man, the schedule 127 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 3: does not get any. 128 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 4: Easier, right, But it's it's such a wide ranging situation 129 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 4: due to the injuries, that when you feel you have 130 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 4: something squared away, and that this is just the the 131 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 4: announcer talking viewing it from afar, certainly not talking for 132 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 4: the coach or the team. But when when you when 133 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 4: you feel you get something going your way, something else 134 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 4: goes wrong. And it doesn't go wrong in small or 135 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:05,239 Speaker 4: moderate fashion. It's floodgates open, and it's hired women and children, 136 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 4: and it's for long periods of games. You know, I 137 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 4: don't know how often we've heard Kevin after games say 138 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 4: that I did not have the team prepared, all right, 139 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 4: And I'm not going to go through all the postgame 140 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 4: press conferences after losses like like the Dallas loss I 141 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 4: think it was in twenty twenty two. 142 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: They lose like forty to three. 143 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Tony Pollard, though it would have been like 144 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 4: something like a game like that, You know that that's 145 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 4: where you would hear things like that. 146 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: But it's it's you know. 147 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 4: We we we adore and respect and at least I 148 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 4: and I think you too, are happy that Kevin O'Connell's 149 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 4: head coach of the Minnesota Vikings because of openness and 150 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 4: vulnerability like that. But you can't play that card too often, okay, 151 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 4: And he played it last night. Now he I'm not 152 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 4: going to say whether he had them prepared or not. 153 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,679 Speaker 4: And I know, over the course of time, coaches will 154 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 4: say things like that so that they take the hits 155 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 4: and they take the arrows and keep them away from 156 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 4: their assistant coaches and or players. But you whether you 157 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 4: just got an extended deal worth how much ever money? 158 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 4: Who cares. You can't play that card frequently because it 159 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 4: starts to resonate with the team. Yeah, Now, there are 160 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 4: a lot of things resonating with the fan base. And 161 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 4: if you say I didn't have the team prepared properly 162 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 4: for this game, you know, whether it's fan line or 163 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 4: whether it's six or six eight six, you may get 164 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 4: some people coming in saying, well, what does that mean? 165 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 4: Why this is what your job is to do? You 166 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 4: say they weren't prepared and they got killed? 167 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: All right? 168 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 4: You know again, just think about that. You can't do 169 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 4: that many times. And he played that yesterday. Now see 170 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 4: that's born of desperation. That's born of not dart throwing 171 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 4: because they put too much time into it. It's born 172 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 4: of I understand how much pain the quarterback was in. 173 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 4: The other guy has taken zero reps with the first 174 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 4: team for X amount of weeks. And by the way, 175 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 4: you know, do I slash do I want to or 176 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 4: do you want to see this other quarterback with what 177 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 4: we're seeing now, with everything that's around us. And it's 178 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 4: not even a true situation for Brozmer because when you're 179 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 4: down multiple scores, three scores or more, you're not gonna run. 180 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 4: I mean, it's the coaches just don't say, like, all right, 181 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 4: well we're down twenty one points and they're ten minutes 182 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 4: to go, so we're just gonna throw the game away 183 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 4: and we're gonna put Aaron Jones back in, and we're 184 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 4: gonna see if Darisahl wants to come back in, and 185 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 4: we're just gonna play it with a run like a 186 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 4: normal running game. Out of the first quarter, set up 187 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 4: the pass, set up the play action, all of that 188 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 4: that there's not There wasn't really much benefit to that 189 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 4: last evening outside of the self preservation of the quarterback. 190 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 4: And I do think that that is fair for Carl 191 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 4: talking about Carson Wentz and the clear pain that he 192 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 4: was in. But they're they're not even scoring touchdowns, right, 193 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 4: That's how bastard this thing is. Right now, Addison got loose, 194 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 4: okay for the only touchdown, but Isaiah Rodgers touchdown. No 195 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 4: it's not Jordan Mason ooh out at the wand no 196 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 4: touchdown Hockinson. Wow, how about this? No not a touchdown. 197 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 4: I mean, that's not even going right right now. It's 198 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 4: just it's multifaceted. Uh, it's it's a complete malfunction right now. 199 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 4: And I know Riker, you know, barely ever misses. Ryan 200 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 4: Wright's having the best season of his career. There are 201 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 4: good things that you can find. So it's not like 202 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 4: going starting with Ivan pay Junior down to Elijah Williams 203 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 4: and saying l l l l l l l L. 204 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 4: It's not like that. But in the Ultimate team Game, 205 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 4: when when one, two, three, four or five fail, they 206 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 4: all fail, and you know, it's like Mittellis has two 207 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 4: interceptions this year. Okay, now, Jalen Redmond, now you know, 208 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 4: like watch it's been a bright spot. Well, if we 209 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 4: were to watch back everything Jalen Redman has done, we 210 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 4: probably will see him whip on some tackles. We probably 211 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 4: will see him slip sometime or take a bad angle 212 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 4: on somebody, you know, over the course of X amount 213 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 4: of plays during the course of the year. But yeah, 214 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 4: that's that sticks out as something in the Ultimate Team 215 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 4: game that is working quite well. 216 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: Well. 217 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 4: You know when I say on the broadcast like I 218 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 4: did last night several times, Jalen Redman is this team's 219 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 4: best defensive lineman. We're not supposed to say that, and 220 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 4: really we're not. With all due respect to Jail and 221 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 4: I'm quite fond of him too, and I love his 222 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 4: story and coming out of nowhere he at a blood 223 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 4: cloud issue. Those whole career looked like it was over. 224 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 4: Now look at him, I mean, look at him. He 225 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 4: leads the team in sacks and he's better than Jay 226 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 4: Von Hargrave and Jonathan Allen. 227 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 3: He's all effort and energy. 228 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 4: So when, like you said, you know, last night, it 229 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 4: r with me when I was listening to fanline that 230 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 4: this is the first true adversity Kevin O'Connell has faced. 231 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 4: And I agree with you because with with Cousins going 232 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 4: down at Lambeau and then you trade for Dobbs and 233 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 4: then you try Jaron Hall and you know Mullins can 234 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 4: go for four hundred, but he might throw it away 235 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 4: at the end of the game. That that that whole 236 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 4: thing right there, Four quarterbacks for an offensive mind to coach. 237 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: You know that. 238 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 4: That's not preferred. But nevertheless, there were moments that looked 239 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 4: like what we come to expect with this regime. It's 240 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 4: I said it last week and there's nothing from last 241 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 4: night outside of the fourth quarter at Soldier Field well, 242 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,839 Speaker 4: I said it, yeah last week to you outside of 243 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 4: the fourth quarter at Soldier Field, the the aberration that 244 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 4: was the Bengals game. Beating the Bengals is not of 245 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 4: the aberration variety. The whole game was an aberration when 246 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 4: it turns out like that. So that so fourth quarter 247 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 4: Soldier Field Cincinnati game and the Addison drive at Tottenham Hotspur, 248 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 4: that's it. That's it, that right there where it's Does 249 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 4: it have to be exactly like last year? No, but 250 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 4: last year things would be stuck and punt and then 251 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 4: oh wow, that was close. 252 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: Now they're punting. 253 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 4: Hey, now we're punting back and forth a little bit, 254 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 4: you know, like boxers feeling out each other in the 255 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 4: early rounds. And then Van Ginkole would pick off a 256 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 4: pass and get to the house, or Grenard would get 257 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 4: a tackle for loss on third and one and they 258 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 4: would be punting and the crowd would go nuts. Or 259 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 4: Jefferson would be running free between the hash marks, and 260 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 4: Addison would be scoring ten touchdowns and nail Or would 261 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 4: e merge with a bunch of touchdowns early in the season, 262 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 4: while you know, while they waited for a receiver. 263 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: There's just none of that. 264 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 4: So that is that I think plays into and then 265 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 4: the coach puts the bow on what you said before 266 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 4: you said it when he said I did not have 267 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 4: the team prepared. So it's it's I mean, it's a 268 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 4: bastard season. It's just abnormal from what we're used to. 269 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 4: And I think more goes into it than just not 270 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 4: you know, being able to use McCarthy or not having 271 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 4: Van Gang call. I just think there's more to it 272 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 4: when something like last night happens. And I don't exactly 273 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 4: know what that more would be, but when you get 274 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 4: run on the way they got run on last night 275 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 4: by that Chargers team, and they got Joe Alt back 276 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 4: and that helped. Joe's really really good. But they had 277 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 4: replacements of right guard and the right tackle started like 278 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 4: three games. So I mean, it's not like the Manhattan 279 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 4: Beach Moving Company is making the old school Dallas Cowboys 280 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 4: with Larry Allen Blush. Tackling and physicality, I think we're 281 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 4: an issue last night, and physicality was a major issue 282 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 4: in the Falcons game. Yes it was, I mean where 283 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 4: the Falcons came out and just started punching, all right. 284 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 4: So but see there was a correction the next week. 285 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 4: It was the Bengals who got punched and punched and 286 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 4: waylaid and roundhouses and uppercuts and down goes Cincinnati. It's 287 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 4: we're getting punched and either not throwing that, not throwing 288 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 4: punches back, or they're missing. And it's just very sullen 289 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 4: right now, it. 290 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 3: Is, and so many angles playing into this. I agree 291 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 3: it goes beyond just I mean, I'm watching Wentz getting 292 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 3: peeled off the turf last night, and I'm just thinking 293 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 3: it's time for this experience to end for him. He's 294 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 3: an ironman, coveing and collapse like loving the warrior that 295 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 3: he has been. But my goodness, for his own sake, 296 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 3: we need to save him from himself here. 297 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 4: I'm I'm and quite honestly and again not I'm not, 298 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 4: certainly not speaking for anybody involved with this team. This 299 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 4: is my opinion and it involves somebody of whom I'm 300 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 4: very fond. 301 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell. 302 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 4: I'm shocked that at some point of the fourth Quartermax 303 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 4: Brosmer didn't come into the game. 304 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 3: I'm shocked as well, and it's because they they every 305 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 3: you know, every blade of grass, and we've got to 306 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 3: take every single inch we can get that mentality is 307 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 3: age old in the National Football League, and perhaps perhaps 308 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 3: it has to be that way or you lose your 309 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 3: edge and you get hurt or you get bludgeoned. 310 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 4: But it's you know, you probably saw more on television 311 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 4: than I did. But I mean, I have my binoculars 312 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 4: on Wentz a lot when he threw his helmet. 313 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 3: But you needed your buyeos from the freaking parking lot 314 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 3: you're trying to call the game for. 315 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 4: SOFI is quickly becoming one of my least favorite places 316 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 4: to call games. But there are other reasons for that. 317 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 4: But nevertheless it and all the action was on the 318 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 4: other side of the field. 319 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: But that's cool. 320 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 4: But it's just for self preservation of the man, you 321 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 4: know where after the game when when O'Connell's asked about McCarthy, 322 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 4: same answer from Kevin. We want to play him, we 323 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 4: like him, and we want we want to have him 324 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 4: get a full week of practice. You know that that's 325 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 4: not only important to Kevin, but a lot of teams 326 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 4: when it comes to the quarterback they're going to use 327 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 4: is getting them together with the first team and having 328 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 4: a full week of practice. And you know, with with 329 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 4: Max Brosmer, that's not the case, and it's never the case. 330 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 3: Shanahan, by the way, is a quick aside doing the 331 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 3: exact same thing with Perdy and the tow out in 332 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 3: the bay right now, what's that name. Well, it's been 333 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 3: a lot of people thinking Perdy can go out there 334 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 3: trials and tribulations with Max Jones. But Perdy can probably 335 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 3: go and Shanahan very committed to he's going to be 336 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,719 Speaker 3: back on the field when he's one hundred percent. 337 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, but see that they're there. 338 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 4: Also is is discretion being the better part of valor 339 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 4: where you may recognize we're not going to and they 340 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 4: never want to think this or say this, we're not 341 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 4: going to win this game, and this guy's arm might 342 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 4: fall off. So we know Max hasn't done anything with 343 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 4: anybody who's in the game or whatever, you know, outside 344 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 4: of the Scout team. But he just has to go 345 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 4: out there and hand it off for the next forty 346 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 4: five minutes of real time life or throw some shorties 347 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 4: to Xavi or Scott or whatever, just so we can 348 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 4: get out of this. Because and now from a Carson 349 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 4: Wentz standpoint, I mean, Carson has been so much better 350 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 4: during his career when he's had an opportunity to start 351 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 4: than he has been of late. Yes, why find myself 352 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 4: feeling bad for him? Because what's he going to do? 353 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 4: Say no, I don't want to play now. There are 354 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 4: some who there are some who do that, and there 355 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 4: are some who will do that. But there are some 356 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 4: who do that. There are believe it or not, at 357 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 4: the professional level making a lot of money. 358 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 3: He's not one of them. No, So he's never going 359 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 3: to pull himself out. 360 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: Never. 361 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 4: But it's he there's so much better to his game. 362 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 4: And then if he watches it back, he must be 363 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 4: looking at that person is saying, hey, this is Halloween. 364 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 4: This is Spurgeon win or Josh Dobbs in a Carson 365 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 4: Wentz outfit. Haha, that's not funny on Halloween because he's 366 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 4: not anything requisite to who he's been. He didn't run 367 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 4: last night. I don't think he ran last night. And 368 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 4: part of Carson's game is running for first downs or 369 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 4: you know, running to if they're in man defense. And 370 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 4: they turned they turned their back on you run on them. 371 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 4: So now they start doing things more the way you 372 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 4: want them done. But you know, there were just two 373 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 4: things that really hit me hard after the game last night. 374 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 4: One sitting in that press conference room, I was next 375 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 4: to guestline, right behind Alec. And you know, when Kevin said, well, 376 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 4: there's not really much to talk about here, but I 377 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 4: didn't have the team prepared for the game, I can't 378 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 4: say I've ever heard him say that. And then listening 379 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 4: to fanline, you saying that this is the first true 380 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 4: adversity that you felt he was facing. And I'm not 381 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 4: saying I thought it was hyperbolic, but it caused me 382 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 4: to think some things out a little bit. And and 383 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 4: because they because the the bastard nature of things is 384 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 4: so wide ranging, whether it's mistackles or like like we 385 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 4: said earlier, got the run defense squared away. Now everybody's 386 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 4: going for one hundred over the top of trying to 387 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 4: run the ball. 388 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: What do we have? How many runs in the first half? Five? Five? 389 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 4: Okay, well, yeah, I mean it's that that number, obviously, 390 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 4: no matter the game shape, is ridiculously low. But I 391 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 4: would counter with, well, did you see the runs and 392 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 4: did you see you know, like the blocks for them. 393 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,959 Speaker 4: Did you see anybody get to the next level the 394 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 4: linebackers or the safeties pick somebody off and give somebody 395 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 4: a chance. It just wasn't working. It just wasn't working, Okay, 396 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 4: So then maybe we'll just keep doing it, keep doing it, 397 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 4: and keep doing it and keep doing it. 398 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: Cool. 399 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 4: I'm going to keep banging my head against the wall, 400 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 4: thinking that the different thought's going to come into my 401 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 4: mind the more I do it. So I'm not I'm 402 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 4: not like mad at that, because if you get mad 403 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 4: at that, I got about eight other things nobody's talking 404 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 4: about that you need to be mad at too. It's 405 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 4: just mad at it, that's what it is. It's just 406 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 4: so off right now. It is that they need some 407 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 4: time off and they'll come back get some players back 408 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 4: into play the Lions. 409 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 3: Speaking of time off, let's pause. But you triggered something 410 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 3: in my head in terms of thanks for letting me 411 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 3: talk that out. 412 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: By the way, Oh that's perfect man. 413 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 3: I'm just glad to see you and I hope you 414 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 3: got a couple hours of sleep and just getting your 415 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 3: perspective on. I mean, it was an unmitigated disaster last night, 416 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 3: and but you triggered something now as you were talking 417 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 3: that I want to hit you with when we return. Uh, 418 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 3: Devon's got the cash thing. We're gonna pause, come back 419 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 3: and just continue to work our way through this and 420 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 3: you see some talkbacks. As I mentioned earlier, maybe I'll 421 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 3: open the segment with UH, but continuing to UH, to 422 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 3: lay this all out before we turn the page and 423 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 3: open up on a Monday, trying to figure out are 424 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 3: we going to beat them? 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Enter it now 430 00:21:40,000 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 5: at kf an dot com. 431 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 4: Hey, when you hit me yesterday with what was transpiring 432 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 4: with Chauncey Billips and Terry Rochier and Damon Jones and everything, 433 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 4: I had just in walking down from my room to 434 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 4: the team meal area, efforting coffee and trying to find 435 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 4: a spot at the where we stayed, the JW Marriott 436 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 4: La Live. It's absolutely, I think the biggest hotel you 437 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 4: know that that A I've ever stayed at, or B 438 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 4: the teams ever stayed at. So it was a hall 439 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 4: to get to places. That's why I was a couple 440 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 4: of minutes late. But when I went in there and 441 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 4: I saw in the crawl, I'm like, what in the 442 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 4: heck is this? Okay, here's the con I got to 443 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 4: run outside. 444 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was very new to you. What I mentioned 445 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 3: that t yesterday, I had no idea. So then then 446 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 3: you settle into the day and you. 447 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 4: Know, I was in the lobby with Spearfish, Sammy with 448 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 4: Vikings media relations, Aaron Freeman with the Timberwolves media relations, 449 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 4: because the Wolves got into about three three fifteen and 450 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 4: they were staying at the hotel that was attached to 451 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 4: our hotel at La Live. So Finchy now comes down. 452 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 4: So it's that quart Chet and O'Connell wants to meet 453 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 4: Finch and has for a while, and vice versa. Finch 454 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 4: set it on the radio the other day's never met Kevin, 455 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 4: he wants to meet him. So then Kevin came down 456 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,719 Speaker 4: and those guys are talking about their sports and stuff 457 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 4: like that. And I still didn't know a ton about 458 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 4: that story you brought up, but those two did, the 459 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 4: head coaches did. And then I mean, I'm just sitting 460 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 4: there listening to them talk and I'm like, mafia, Like 461 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 4: what you know? X Rays, what special tables, glasses what 462 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 4: so you know, then now we go to the game 463 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 4: and we play the game. And I still last night, 464 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 4: you know, while I was listening to fanline getting caught 465 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 4: up on things. Then I started to read the story 466 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 4: and read corroborating stories with it about talting Lebron James 467 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 4: not playing for somebody who was a quote unofficial end 468 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 4: quote coach. How does one become an unofficial coach with 469 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 4: the team? I want to become an unofficial coach with 470 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 4: the team. An official coach with the team is somebody 471 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 4: who was hired as the coach. You're paid by the team, 472 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 4: subsequently by the NBA, and you're in the pension and 473 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 4: you're in the chap. What's an unofficial coach on Darvin 474 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 4: Ham's staff. Well, that will sketch you right there. And 475 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 4: then somebody who has worked in you know, the gambling 476 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 4: world for more than three decades and it's been horse racing. 477 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 4: But nevertheless, you know, it's it's you. You know a 478 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 4: lot about a lot when it comes to how to 479 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,719 Speaker 4: play the games, how to beat the games, how to 480 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 4: take agles and stuff like that. 481 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 3: Sure, there have been Intel games in the horse racing 482 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 3: industry over the course of time. 483 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: I'm talking outside of horse racing. 484 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, bro. 485 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 4: There was a there was a race probably within twenty 486 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 4: or thirty years ago, one of those Louisiana tracks. It 487 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 4: wasn't the Fairgrounds, but it was one of these bush 488 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 4: deep woods Louisiana tracks. 489 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: It's I can't remember which one it was. It's a 490 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: reputable track. 491 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 4: Now, there was a jockey I think his name was 492 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 4: Sylvester Carmouche and his brother what a name, Kendrick, I 493 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 4: believe is still riding. Is quite accomplished, Kendrick Carmouche. It 494 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 4: was unbelieved and you can google this. It was unbelievably 495 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 4: foggy one day slash night of this racetrack and it 496 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 4: was what's I think called a bull ring. It's a 497 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 4: smaller track so Canterbury. You look, you bring Avistella and 498 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 4: Hannah down to the finish line. They start there for 499 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 4: a mile and you go all the way around. Well 500 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 4: that's a mile. Well, some tracks like one at which 501 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 4: I called in Grand Island, Nebraska, vun Or Park are 502 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 4: known as bull rings. So it's five eighths, five furlongs 503 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 4: eight furlongs in a mile. You got to go around 504 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 4: twice for a mile. It's like one of those tracks. 505 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 4: My man Sylvester Carmouche busted out to the lead, hid 506 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 4: in the corner on the far turn, waited to hear 507 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 4: the hoofs of other horses coming and took off and 508 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 4: had like a tent late look at him, go hang 509 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 4: up up track record. Yes, and then he got busted 510 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 4: for popping out of the fox. So yes, it's happened 511 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 4: in horse racing before. But you know, in other sports there, 512 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 4: I've just never you know, when it comes to playing 513 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 4: Texas HoldEm or cards or anything and the special tables 514 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 4: and mafia people shaking down people whose names we know 515 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 4: from pro sports. Yeah, players who have been on LFL 516 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 4: teams owing a quarter of a million dollars for things 517 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 4: that you didn't know about. It just it, said Terry 518 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 4: Rogier on the old LFL squad. And Chauncey Billis. I 519 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 4: mean we have a Chauncey Billups drop on our button bar. 520 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 4: It's it's the m MPa is silly man something like that. 521 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 4: He was on the sideline of a Vikings Lions game. Yeah, 522 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 4: when he played for the Pistons. And so I've known 523 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 4: Chauncey a little bit and a roundabout way for a while. 524 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 4: I certainly don't know him well enough to say this 525 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 4: is wrong. He's an upstanding citizen, I know it. Or 526 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 4: he's a complete cheat. I have no idea, and I 527 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 4: honestly couldn't care less. But it's how deep this thing 528 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 4: is with the X rays and the glasses and the 529 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 4: mark cards. Are you're kidding me? 530 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just it's one of those things, and maybe 531 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 3: this is. I mean, you know, I'm not I'm not 532 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 3: bottom of the barrel. I'm not a multi millionaire. But 533 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 3: I just think about, like you look at these pro 534 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 3: at the amount of money that these players, and now 535 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 3: Chauncey Billips is a coach. I think he's making like 536 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 3: five mill as a coach. He definitely he had to 537 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 3: have accrued an eclipsed one hundred million dollars as a player, 538 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 3: very good player. How do you get captured by the mafia? 539 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 3: That's what I'm because there had to be a hook 540 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 3: and whether it was you look at at hockey Evander Kaine. 541 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember, but he went bankrupt 542 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 3: because of like he owed a bunch of casino stuff 543 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 3: and ended up getting sued and and then you know 544 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 3: John day Porter at a smaller level, it sounds like 545 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 3: he actually may have even potentially been like one of 546 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 3: the lower hanging bits as part of this. I think, 547 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 3: so there might be a connection. I don't want to 548 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 3: put that out there as being fact. I got to 549 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 3: read more, and frankly I was waiting for more names, 550 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 3: and I haven't gotten many of them. 551 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 4: But sho, hey Otani and his interpreter. Yeah, how are 552 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 4: so the interpreter lays on the sword. And I'm not 553 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 4: one to say Otani or interpreter guy or lot. I 554 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 4: don't know, and I don't care. Yeah, but if you 555 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 4: just can't think that that's the only thing there, correct, There. 556 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 3: Always is a lot more. It's just a matter of 557 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 3: what gets out, and that's all we know. But nevertheless, 558 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 3: that was deep and thick, and that's but that's just 559 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 3: what like. So when I picture the Mafia, I picture, 560 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 3: you know, the romanticized nature of the movies I've seen 561 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 3: and the TV shows, sopranos, et cetera. You know, clearly 562 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 3: they have to evolve beyond olive oil and waste management services. 563 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 3: I get that. So you know, cell phone bought farms 564 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 3: and scams and various things on the internet, et cetera, 565 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 3: Nigerian princes potentially. But you know, just kind of the 566 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 3: idea that Chauncey Billups an NBA head coach who's got 567 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 3: you know, nine figures in cash, you know, before taxes, 568 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 3: and he's making five million year coaching the Blazers, that 569 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 3: he's working the hardwood on a Wednesday night and Thursday morning, 570 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 3: he's getting yanked because he was luering people in the 571 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,479 Speaker 3: rigged poker games with the with the adjusted the shuffling machines. 572 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 3: You mentioned these cool glasses. I was watching a video 573 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:13,719 Speaker 3: on those things last night. 574 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: And contacts, man, I mean contact lenses. 575 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 3: I could use those at the ten dollars table at 576 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 3: pH I'll tell you that because it ain't working for 577 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,479 Speaker 3: me on the strip these days. Didn't know that kind 578 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 3: of stuff existed. I'm just how did these guys get captured? 579 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 3: And we'll never know for sure. I suppose but Terry 580 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 3: Roseier like splitting dollars in his living room after you know, 581 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 3: two hundred thousand dollars in unders were placed on him, 582 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 3: after he said he'd leave a game early. Like that's 583 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 3: just insanity, man. I think he's he's on the payroll 584 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 3: for Miami for like twenty six million dollars this year. 585 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 3: So how these guys get captured is crazy. 586 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 4: When you went when you see the name LaCOSA nostra, Okay, 587 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 4: who those that's from movies? Yeah, it's it's the Italian 588 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 4: term the Italian raised that I think means our thing 589 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 4: or this thing of ours. All right, LaCOSA Nostra is 590 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 4: an old age mob term that was used for United families. 591 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 3: Wasn't it like the five families that are New York 592 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 3: or something like that. 593 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, and now it's I can't remember the names, 594 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 4: but I don't know if Gambino was one of the names, 595 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 4: but like, oh yeah, like Banafi or something. 596 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 3: It's Genevasi or whatever. You yeah, all of them. 597 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, so there are those families LaCOSA Nostra who supposedly 598 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 4: were behind this. 599 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 3: I didn't even know LaCOSA Nostra. La Cosa nostra was 600 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 3: a thing. 601 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 4: Post like John Gotti getting busted and Paul Castellano's dying. 602 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 3: That's what I'm thinking. Like, they're not sitting outside the 603 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 3: deli anymore, I know. 604 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 4: But with technology and with X ray machines and with 605 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 4: the ability to make special tables that show people's cards 606 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 4: and X ray glasses and X ray contacts. 607 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: Holy cow, you talk about the mark of the Beast. 608 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 3: I mean it is all over the place in a 609 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 3: fashion that we have no idea that people even can 610 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 3: do certain things. Yeah, I just how do they get cat? 611 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 3: And then but you think about and at least I don't, 612 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 3: but picture there's got to be some people that have 613 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 3: woken up within the last to the last two mornings 614 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 3: seeing this with American Pharaoh's head in their bed right 615 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,719 Speaker 3: next to them, and they're thinking, you know, they they 616 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 3: work for some finance firm or something they've they've accrued 617 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 3: fat cat real estate guy. It's like, well, hang on 618 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 3: a second. I dropped seven hundred and fifty K to 619 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 3: Chauncey at some charity bit five years ago. 620 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 4: I didn't think about that, Like, I know, think about 621 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 4: those people the fish that were on the wrong side 622 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 4: of the hook. Yeah, it's like they're just they just 623 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 4: want to rub elbows with Chauncey, Billups and a couple 624 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 4: of former NBA finals MVPs that names won't go mention, 625 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 4: and they get stuck three quarters of a million over 626 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 4: the course of three days and a weekend and they're like, 627 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 4: you know what that I don't fish, I don't golf, 628 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 4: I don't really do much. 629 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 3: I work a lot. 630 00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 4: And you know, God's been very fortunate or are blessing 631 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 4: worthy of me? He chose I get to do this 632 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 4: job and a lot of money happens to come with it, 633 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 4: but I like to do this and have fun and 634 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 4: I don't care that I lost. And then you read 635 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 4: all this and you recognize somebody knew every pair of 636 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 4: kings that you had coming. That's ads that that I mean, 637 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 4: that's going to work on a brother right there. PTSD. 638 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 4: It's a but make the p poker well picture. He 639 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 4: shows up, he loses half a million. He gets Chauncey 640 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 4: to sign his kids' air Joys and he's like, well, 641 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 4: I guess it's for the experience. 642 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 3: It's completely taken. 643 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 644 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 4: You know, if if I was a person who made 645 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 4: millions of dollars a year and like, and I wanted 646 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 4: to play Texas hold him in this thing, and I 647 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 4: happen to know some people and like they invited me in, 648 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 4: and you know, and I'm talking to you about it, saying, hey, 649 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 4: you know it's a we know Chauncey decently and I'm 650 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 4: just surprised. But uh, in this this three day series 651 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 4: of games they have beginning in two weeks, Chauncey offered 652 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 4: me his his NBA Finals ring to come at what? Yeah, 653 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 4: he said, I can have it. Okay, So why is 654 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 4: he starting out minus six hundred grand or whatever the 655 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 4: ring costs minus a quarter million? Wow, he's super nice. 656 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 4: I could go to this house. There conna be some 657 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 4: cool people there, reb elbows with people. Everybody knows what 658 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 4: their names. But he's just so kind and generous. He 659 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 4: gave me his NBA Finals ring, and then I went 660 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 4: in there and lost three quarters of a million and 661 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 4: they had a great time. 662 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: Oh wait, they cheated. That sucks. 663 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 3: Well, you know how they should have known the jig 664 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 3: was up. Adrian Peterson was at the table and he 665 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 3: was winning. Oh that's a that's an unbelievably good line. 666 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 4: Well done. 667 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 3: Hey, we got to pause final segment around the corner. 668 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 4: I mean, land the plane here, then we can go 669 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 4: to break. Is the reason I brought that up is 670 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 4: because for some involved, that is the bottom. This will 671 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 4: be defined as finding the bottom. 672 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: I agree. 673 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 4: I'm really hoping that's what happened to the Minnesota Vikings. 674 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 4: Last night in the twenty twenty five season, they identified 675 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 4: what the bottom looks like for this this Master to 676 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 4: zero two five and whether you win or lose at Detroit, 677 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 4: they're incrementally or in soaring fashion, it's up from here 678 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 4: one way or another. Because that had that just had 679 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 4: some bottom feel to it last night. 680 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 2: I dig that. 681 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 3: And we're going to put a bow on this show 682 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 3: and turn the page into the weekend final segment next