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Speaker 1: Fifty five KRC at each talk station seven o five

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Speaker 1: on this Tuesday morning. Day girl, I'll sitting for Brian

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Speaker 1: have my first time meeting brother Andre Ewing, who has

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Speaker 1: graced us with his presence in studio this morning. And

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Speaker 1: Andre Ewing, welcome to fifty five KRC. It's good to

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Speaker 1: meet you, sir.

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Speaker 2: Good to meet you as well.

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Speaker 1: Bardin everything going, everything is.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful this morning.

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Speaker 1: You are you are bundled up, my friend. Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: you're free to take that jacket and that if you

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Speaker 2: I'm prepared this how this is how I work out

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Speaker 2: in the jail. I work out to be hot. I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I'm not here to just show off the muscularity. I

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, it's great to media. Former Cincinnati police Yes, sir.

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Speaker 1: How long on the job?

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Speaker 2: Close to thirty years? Just shot thirty years? Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: How hard is it to walk away?

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Speaker 2: Oh, it wasn't hard at all. It wasn't hard at

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Speaker 2: all for you, not at all. I checked all the boxes,

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Speaker 1: So thirty years on the job, what the things that

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Speaker 1: you do now? You do a lot on social media,

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Speaker 1: You comment a lot on what is happening in and

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Speaker 1: What kind of perspective has that given you? What was

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Speaker 2: At I would give me a lot of perspective. And

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Speaker 2: I've tried, even in my lengthy career to what I say,

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Speaker 2: I was on here last time talking to Brian, I'm

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Speaker 2: and implement at this pretty time. And we always see

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Speaker 2: that they're always late. When I mean late is is

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Speaker 2: The police is not in line with council. Council is

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Speaker 2: the city manager. And what I call it is one

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Speaker 1: It is a hot mess. And uh, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you heard Chris Chris Smithman yesterday, but I I

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Speaker 1: We have a mayor who talks about it and says

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Speaker 1: I think we have a city manage who is in

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Speaker 1: Suggesting that this is what the voters, the small amount

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Speaker 2: Correct, to make it straight and simple, Yes, you get

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Speaker 2: was very clear. He said that he was gonna raise taxes,

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Speaker 2: He told everybody he was gonna raise taxes. So at

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Speaker 2: this point, are you surprised, And my surprise, absolutely not,

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Speaker 2: be shocked. No one should be surprised because we've seen

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Speaker 2: brother dan I'm not surprised, and it's gonna continue to

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Speaker 2: get worse. The taxpayers are gonna get slammed, and this

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Speaker 2: several times on my pages, and everything I've predicted has

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Speaker 2: Just like with the issues that went on with Captain

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I'll be honest. I did not follow the Denita

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Speaker 1: me of that there was heavy handed political influence in

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Speaker 1: everything that surrounded her. Correct. Correct, And that, to my

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Speaker 1: You know, he would have you know, the mayor or

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Speaker 1: other political figures would walk into his office and say Chief,

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Speaker 1: not naive enough to believe that there's never any political

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Speaker 2: Right But I'm gonna ask you, brother Dan, what's the

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Speaker 2: I've actually said from the mayor, from the city manager,

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Speaker 2: I'm not just gonna point the finger at one person,

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Speaker 2: And this is where we have to be honest and

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Speaker 2: and Attorney Kimberly Rotowski is clear and she said it

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Speaker 2: not in her twenty plus years has she ever seen

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Speaker 2: anything as egregious as this particular arbitration filing and what

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Speaker 1: So and you know what. You asked me, what is

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Speaker 2: That's right. So that's right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'll expound that. We got to get to

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Speaker 2: Come on, let's go.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Yes, sir, you know did

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Speaker 2: He is so passionate. Shout out to Christopher Smitherman. He

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Speaker 2: is amazing. He's passionate, extremely intelligent, and the city passed

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he loves the city, He loves Hamilton County. He

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Speaker 1: I see a settlement of eight point one million dollars,

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Speaker 1: it was hit with a bullet. The notion that because

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Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna watch the riots tonight. See. You know,

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Speaker 1: and I said, Cincinnati police did the right They nipped

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Speaker 1: So the message that is going out is that crime

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Speaker 2: Well, the bottom line, Dan is that there's no trust

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Speaker 2: in this city. Zero trust and crime does pay excuse me,

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Speaker 2: of course, since we have four more years of administration

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Speaker 2: There's something that's going on with the city manager writing

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Speaker 2: all these checks, feeling very very passionate about giving individuals

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Speaker 2: When you lose the community, you are in trouble. And

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Speaker 2: this is a clear fact of how these situations go.

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Speaker 2: But even taken from when we talk about, say the

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Speaker 2: need to re evaluate the entire collaborative agreement. And what

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Speaker 2: I don't care who you are. That will shock anybody.

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Speaker 2: But now what do we do when we just allow

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Speaker 2: brother Dan, you get a hot mess once again is

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Speaker 2: what you have in this city. But you know, I

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Speaker 2: how she scored super super high on all these exams.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you brought the brought the receipts right here.

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Speaker 2: I brought the receipts second highest lieutenant score when she

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Speaker 2: So there was no DEI for Captain Pettis. This woman

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Speaker 2: is brilliant. She has skills. I mean, her her resume

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Speaker 2: She was a Special Service Section Commander, Guns Crime Tour

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Speaker 1: This minute, that was something. Yeah, that was something you

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Speaker 1: mentioned to me when you walked in this morning, that

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Speaker 1: not seen individuals who are criticizing her in that sort

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Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely on social media pages that that we always

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Speaker 2: she earned it. And obviously when the arbitrators, three of them, mind.

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Speaker 1: You, well, they are clearly mistaken and don't know what

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yes, sir, And that's why I said that Chief

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Speaker 2: Fiji doesn't get a pass. We can't just put this

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Speaker 2: the CPD. So don't put it on Cheryl Long. Shrel

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Speaker 2: Long messed up by just taking a piece of paper

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Speaker 2: and just signing it. You don't sign anything or concur

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Speaker 2: all these payoffs, even with Michael Washington, I give him

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Speaker 2: a shout out. People better start sitting back and reevaluating

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Speaker 2: the whole charter on the power of the city manager

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Speaker 2: And how much money do the taxpayers have?

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Speaker 1: Well, it seems that and we got to run. But

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Speaker 2: And I will never ever solve anything.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Pastor, you're also a pastor. Leave us with before

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Speaker 2: What a good word is out of the abundance of

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Speaker 2: careful what is in your heart. And so when you

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Speaker 2: them God bless them. And won't you actually pray with them,

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Speaker 2: talk with them just for a moment. You might be

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Speaker 1: Andre Ewing, great to meet you, my friend. Likewise, I

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Speaker 1: hope you get a chance to do this again.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, thank you so much.

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